Where Next? Travel with Kristen and Carol
Where Next? Travel with Kristen and Carol
Jerez de la Frontera, Spain with Lyle and Leanne
We’re so excited to have Lyle and Leanne back from the Beach Travel Wine Podcast to dive into it all with us! Their stories and laughs always make the journey even better.
This time, we’re stepping into the “cathedrals of wine” at Lustau, chasing legends at Tío Pepe, and getting into the nitty-gritty of how sherry is made—humidity, flor, patience—and why it smells like caramel dreams. The Royal Andalusian School’s dancing horses bring the drama, but it’s the tabancos that steal the show: guitar, singing, clapping, and a dancer who pulls everyone into the moment. No velvet ropes—just locals, clinking glasses, and “Olé!”
Getting around is easy and budget-friendly. Fast trains link Sevilla, Jerez, and Cádiz, making day trips to castles, beaches, and white villages like Arcos de la Frontera and Grazalema a breeze. And when English tours are hard to find, the VoiceMap app turns your phone into a local guide with GPS-triggered stories you can pause for coffee and keep forever.
We’ve got tips on when to go (May–June or September are magic), how to handle siesta time, late-night dinners, cards vs. cash, and what to order—chicharrones, jamón, albóndigas—and why Andalusian plazas at night feel straight out of a movie.
If you’re chasing the real Spain—flamenco up close, sherry from the source, trains instead of traffic, and streets where tradition still lives—this is the place for you.
To see pictures from Spain and hear about more adventures of Leanne and Lyle, visit their website:
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Hi, welcome to our podcast, Where Next. Travel with Kristen and Carol. I am Kristen. And I am Carol. And we're two long-term friends with a passion for travel and adventure.
SPEAKER_06:Each episode, we interview people around the globe to help us decide where to go next. Well, welcome back, uh Leanne and Lyle to the Where Next podcast. And we are big fans of Beach Travel Wine podcast. I was listening to some of your episodes about your passion for Spain and a town called Heraf de la Frontiera. So we're excited to learn more about that, what you loved about it. And then of course, everyone will have the links to uh the Beach Travel Wine podcast in the show notes. So you can go and hop on over there to find probably hundreds of podcasts you have right now for your travels. This is so great. And you guys started around the during the COVID your podcast. I think May May 21, I think it was.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Well, thanks for having us back. And yes, you are right. We do love to say. And where are you right now? We're at home now. At in uh the Sunshine Coast in Queensland. So we're looking out the window at the Pacific Ocean, and it's the humpback whale migration. So they're traveling past and jumping out with their calves. So it's a pretty special time to be uh in Queensland, Australia.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, that's interesting. That's like um Maui that happens in like February, March, but I think in the northern hemisphere, December to March. And then uh so you guys are down under, so it's like opposite as well, which makes sense. Okay. Yeah. So you guys must really like warm weather, huh? Because that's where you live, and then you've travel you have vacation in Spain. Yeah, that's true. We yeah, but we we don't mind uh cold weather if we can go skiing. What I think would be very interesting is from Sevilla you had mentioned that you can travel. So maybe we can first talk about how awesome going to Sevilla is, if that's how you pronounce it. Some people see Seville, Seville, Spain.
SPEAKER_02:We've been to Seville or Sevilla. Um Seville's how we say it. Sevilla is what they call it in Spain. And we've been there there three times. And interestingly, our first time we weren't that impressed, but you know, we we were we'd probably been out the night before and it was really hot and we were just there for one night. But um every time we go there, we just fall more in in love with Seville.
SPEAKER_00:So you're saying we had a hangout. That's what you're saying.
SPEAKER_02:Can't blame Seville for that.
SPEAKER_00:Well, maybe however, since then we've been back a couple of times and we've just fallen in love with it.
SPEAKER_02:And it's in a really great spot. It's a real it's a transport hub and there's a fast train, they've got air, you know, an airport, and it's linked to you know all the major areas in that Andalusia region. So it's a it's a really great spot to to stay and and explore. And it's it's got um, you know, the m the big things that people go. They call it the the triangle where where you go between the the Sevilla Cathedral with its um watchtower, and then you've got the Alcazar, which is one of the best you've seen, and they've filmed a um some of the Game of Thrones there in the garden area. And then our favourite is the Plaza de España, which was built in the early 1900s for the Spain, Spanish Expo, and it's just this amazing uh semicircle of tiled um little porticos, and each area of Spain is represented there, and it's just with the beautiful uh intricate tiles and little bridges, and it's it's it's just beautiful.
SPEAKER_01:It's stunning, yeah, stunning, and even more stunning at night.
SPEAKER_02:What do you call that that that specific area within Sabelle? Well, it's uh Plaza or Plaza, as they say, Plaza de Espana, so Plaza of Spain. Oh, okay, España, okay, got it. And and right adjacent to there is a beautiful park, the Maria Luisa Park. And you can wander through there. There's a pond and water fountains and you know, ducks on the pond, and it's just yeah, lots of areas to to wander in there. And this isn't far from the main area, so it's it's it's easier to to walk there as well.
SPEAKER_01:Actually, this last time that we were there, actually uh we couldn't ba well we could see it and go through it, but it was a little bit restricted because they had a Justin Timberlake concert setting up.
SPEAKER_06:Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you familiar with him? Like just since he's an American. Oh, yeah, sure. Oh yeah. I don't know. We haven't seen him live, but okay.
SPEAKER_02:But in the um just a quick hint there though, if you're gonna go to Plata de España, they every day they do a free flamenco show and it's and it's really really good, don't they? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay, great.
SPEAKER_01:Every thing we did and yeah, and another thing we did this time was uh Leanne got a b birthday present, which was a flamenco dance lesson, and we did that in Seville.
SPEAKER_06:Did you get involved with that dance lesson too?
SPEAKER_01:I certainly did. I even got dressed up. But I was I was told that I had to behave myself because it was Leanne's birthday present.
SPEAKER_02:I wasn't sure why she said I had to behave like Log tends to laugh at everybody and everything.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, this particular so we walk in and there's all these ladies there, and I'm thinking, oh no, I'm the only guy.
SPEAKER_01:And uh anyway, the ladies walked out, and then a family with two gentlemen walked in, and I thought, thank God. Anyway, I have absolutely no rhythm whatsoever, but I could in the dance studio, you have the mirror in front of you, and I could see these two gentlemen, American gentlemen, Dan and Dave. They were father and son. Yeah, Dave was the father, and Dan was the son. They were that bad they made me look good. So I was very happy they were there. Again, look what's good. I I honestly I was one of my favourite parts of the trip to Spain. This it was really, really good.
SPEAKER_02:Lyle said she's dragged me along because it's her birthday present. You know, why are you here? And and Dave, the dad, said uh we watched Rick Steves, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So that was good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but uh the Seville also has like a lovely little um main sort of tapas area called Santa Cruz, and that's right there in the old town, and right basically starts right at the cathedral there, and it's got lots of little tapas bars. It's got some really old original ones with the wooden chairs and the wooden bars, and and then it's got some really upmarket ones as well. We found a few, and you just they're all on the same street, you know, and you wander, you can just go into any of them. Then they've got another sort of traditional one, which is I think it's called the Cafe of the Cathedral, and it's right, all the big bull heads on the on the wall, um, because they're still into all that traditional um stuff, you know. And but it's it's just a very atmospheric through through that area. Um, it's also got some a beautiful shopping area, and they've got a lot of the traditional shops still, you know, like the hat makers and uh, you know, uh just a tiny little shop with uh the walls just covered in these beautiful sombreros that they make and um and all the shops that sell the flamenco and the the farrier dresses, you know, so the beautiful long dresses and the they've got the fabrics there, and then they've got all the head wear and it's just just stunning walking on this street. And that what's someone called Calais Sierpes? So Calais Sierpes. Yeah, so it's it's and that's just wandering around the from the main area in in Seville and and it's just yeah, be where you can make your own um Spanish shoes, you know, you can go in and they'll get the the espadrills, they'll get the base for you, and you can pick the color and you know, like it's it's just really yeah, it it yeah, it's it's pretty much two belts.
SPEAKER_01:And again at night it's fabulous.
SPEAKER_06:The wine?
SPEAKER_01:And again at night, it's fabulous.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, the night at night. Okay. Just everything that's going on. Uh do you normally like do you like dancing in general, Leanne? Do you uh do you gravitate to trying to find dance options in different countries or towns?
SPEAKER_02:Um I we we did some salsa lessons and that's a bit of fun. Um Lyle and I have very different learning styles, so it can be challenging. And that's all I'm gonna say on the matter.
SPEAKER_01:Luckily I'm not sensitive.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_06:With how much you travel and spend time together, yeah. You probably learn to like not be too sensitive about stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this time in Seville, we've we found a couple of places that uh are off the main sort of tourist area. And one of those is called Casa de Platos, and that's a 15th century palace that not many people know about. It's probably about a a kilometre walk from the the main area, but it's it's just like a smaller version of the Alcazar. So, you know, it was set up as a as a palace and it's got uh lots of the Moorish sort of architecture and a beautiful little garden with the water features and things. Um, and so that was yeah, that was beautiful, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_07:Um and the other thing we went to this time, which is actually Casa de and then Pelatos.
SPEAKER_01:Pelados, it's spelled uh let me see, P-I-L-A-T-O-S.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Miles. Yes again. Um and then of course the mushroom or the metropol parasol, which is it's not really a secret, but a lot, it's off the um just out of the main area, but it's like this great big wooden mushroom structure. And uh once again, like most things in Seville, it's much more impressive at night. It lights up and you can actually walk across the the top of it if you're unlike me and not scared of heights. And there are bars around as well, like hotels with rooftop bars, so you can actually view it from um you know from from there if you and you can walk around underneath. It's uh yeah, that's pretty spectacular.
SPEAKER_06:And since no, I would say you guys are probably slow travelers, you'd go for, you know, an extended period of time. Where do you just stay week by week in these different places? Or how do you book your travel? Well new hotels or it's hard, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I sort of I I don't know if we are we are slow travelers, but we more do you know what I think we're more curious travelers. We like to go somewhere and really get to know it. And we would rather have a day of nothing to do but just explore than to be rushed and have to see all the big things. Having said that, if we go to a small town where we, you know, we don't like to travel more than about three hours. If if we go to a small town and there's not a lot there, we might just stay one or two nights because it's a it's a good little spot and we just see the main stuff. But in general, yes, we we would like to stay a week and and then do some day trips and just explore the area for sure. That that suits our our way of traveling.
SPEAKER_01:For instance, actually we're in Hareth, uh, we actually stayed two weeks.
SPEAKER_06:Wow, and that's a pretty small town, right? Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so that's a great segue to really focusing on like what inspired you to go to Harat to begin with.
SPEAKER_02:Can you see this painting behind us?
SPEAKER_06:Yes, that's gorgeous.
SPEAKER_02:It kind of looks a little like well that's actually all about us. And our friend uh Steve, who lives here, he's he's an artist and he does that sort of stuff on buildings and things, but he did that for us. And he and his wife, she's a flamenco dancer, they spend um every year when they go to Spain, they go to Hereth and they've built up a a huge community of friends and and they've hit they've a lot of the bars have actually got some of his paintings there. And so they've insp they inspired us to go and uh because of their love for it. And so we just thought, well, let's go and do that. And we we booked an apartment that was quite large and had a rooftop pool. So, you know, once again, if you don't want to do anything, you can just sit by the pool, right? Um, and so we went there just to explore all the places and the bars and the people they've told us about. And it yeah, it just is the most Spanish city you can go to. And it you we didn't see one umbrella being, you know, followed round by people, you know, like tour groups, or we didn't see any of that. The only time we saw groups of tourists was when we went to the the equestrian standard, which is the Royal Andalusian uh school of uh uh for horses. You know, they they've been breeding them there for centuries and they train them and they do a show and they there's buses come in uh from around pr from places like Seville and Cadiz. You know, they they come there, but um, and then they just all hop on their bus and and go. But it wasn't we there was still plenty of seats and uh so yeah, so we were just um we just loved it.
SPEAKER_07:So what were the horses called again?
SPEAKER_01:And of Andalusian. Yeah. They're an Andalusian breed. They were uh yeah, by one of the kings.
SPEAKER_07:Do they have an extra um like the pasos? Do they have an extra gate or something different about them?
SPEAKER_02:Um I'm not sure. I think they're just uh they look beautiful and they're obviously easy to train because they they're doing, you know, like the the proper the walking and then they they jump and they yeah, they're performance.
SPEAKER_01:They're probably more known as commonly known as the Spanish dancing horses.
SPEAKER_06:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Kristen is an equestrian, what do you call yourself? Because someone that loves horses.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, they I like horses. Yeah, the We didn't love it.
SPEAKER_02:And and the the riders dress up in 18th century costumes, and you know, it's it's it's very, very atmospheric and spectacular. So that's uh one of the other things that Hareth is known for.
SPEAKER_01:Um and Hareth is basically known as the birthplace of flamenco. Oh, the flamenco is the traditions uh are very, very important. They've also the it's the world capital for sherry, fortified wine.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Um they've got um there's uh the badigas, which are basically wineries for sherry, they're everywhere. And they uh I mean we went and we did a couple of sherry tours.
SPEAKER_02:There was one at uh Teo Pepe, which uh is uh the most famous one in in Spain, really, and in Madrid and other major cities and Seville. Teo Pepe means Uncle Pepe. Um, and so he has it's a man with this big black hat on, so that's sort of symbolic of of Teo Pepe. And so we went to there and did the tour, and you know, even if you don't like Sherry, it's the tour itself is amazing. It's a little train, and then you go through the production rooms, and they've got these massive barrels with um what what's that the room where the celebrities all sign it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, celebrity barrel room.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so anyone who's anyone signs the the barrel, so there's F1 drivers, there's actors, there's politicians, there's film producers, so that's pretty spectacular. And there's some funny little stories. You know, they've got a picture of a mouse climbing up a ladder.
SPEAKER_04:A tiny ladder.
SPEAKER_02:Tiny ladder drinking sherry that you know someone actually trained them the mice to do. So there's this whole story uh about that as well. So they won't. Oh, is this not AI generated? Is it actually like a true mouse? Yeah, no, it's no way no, it's too old for that. Yep. It's uh and then um it's also got the what they the prettiest street in um Hareth, you know, so it's this grapevine, beautiful lot, you know, hanging down over the top of a cobblestone street, and it's just it's a beautiful enclosure, like a complex. It's yeah, so it's it's lovely. And then we did another one at um Lastale, and it is called the Cathedrals of Wine, and where they hold where they have their um badiga and their barrels, it's got a big vaulted ceiling, it's like you're inside a massive cathedral, and there's just rows, and you look down and the sun's shining through, it could almost be a stained glass window. So it's they're just really nice to walk around and also learn about the the history of of Sherry because that's a really a big part of this area of Spain.
SPEAKER_07:Oh, that's great.
SPEAKER_02:I'm looking it up, it looks really neat. Um yeah, it's really cool. Yeah, yeah. And so yeah, it we we really enjoyed that. I still don't drink a lot of sherry, I have to say, but um the smell of it, you it's so it's almost like caramel. Yeah. It's uh this it's very unique, and it's they keep the the rooms at the right humidity and the right temperature, and that you know, so it it's just uh yeah, it's nothing like you've you've been to before. That they're really special.
SPEAKER_01:And following on from the sherry, the badigas, and how important it is, you the the actual bars within the town are called tabancos, and these tobancos are where they uh that actually have the flamenco shows. Now the difference between Seville and Jerez is you go to the uh flamenco shows in Seville and a lot of tourists. Whereas Jerez, there are tourists, but it's mainly locals, it's a real thing. And in the Tabancos, the difference between them and a normal bar is they sh they sell the sherry and the vermith out of the barrels behind the bar.
SPEAKER_02:Mmm, that's it.
SPEAKER_01:And there's a place called El Pasehe.
SPEAKER_02:El Pasahi, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. And that's the oldest Tabanco in uh Herez, and that was uh opened in 1925, so it's a hundred years old this year, and it looks like it's a hundred years old, but they have the it's a it's only a tiny bar, but you have these flamenco shows, and the the atmosphere, everything is just brilliant. Um one of Steve and Rhonda's friends, the guy that did the painting, and he's quiet. Her her name is uh Carmen, and she's probably the most famous flamenco dancer, maybe even in Spain.
SPEAKER_02:Um she runs the the flamenco dancing school there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and um of course we met them, and of course, we were treated like celebrities and like everywhere we went, everywhere there was a a painting of Steve's, we'd go in and we'd introduce ourselves, and all of a sudden we had our new best friends.
SPEAKER_02:So back to the little uh bars that we're talking about. So you can book a little table and they're tiny, you know, the the stage that they perform on is would only fit so every every performance there's a guitarist and uh someone who does singing and and clapping percussion and then the dancer, and it's about an hour, and they you can go to a flamenco show any basically from two o'clock right through to say ten o'clock at night.
SPEAKER_06:And so these tiny little bars were put on a flamenco show. I mean, there's not that many people really to watch.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, but it's not like a like a theatre show, it's just like a a bar and that and the locals all go and they all know each other, they're all at the bar chatting, and then they do the dancing and they're all calling out Olay and Nasha, you know, they're doing they're they're participating, they know what's going on. And then, you know, after the show, you know, the dancer they come and chat and they're they're all sort of a it's it's just like a the their life, it's what they do, you know. It's um okay and you can book a little table and they you can you know have some drinks and they bring you some tapas, you know, and that we did that as well. So you're right up the front and you know, you you're literally half a meter, like 50 centimeters, which I don't know, like say two feet away from from the stage, and so you you can see everything and hear every like it's it's very atmospheric and it's it's not like you're sitting watching a a show with everyone else. It's all you're part of the you're you're part of it. It's very dramatic. It is very cool. It's great. Okay. And there's yes, you can go to any, you know, they they're all over the and I just followed them all on um on Instagram and they every day they put up who's the dancer and who's the singer and what time, and you know, so it's yeah, yeah. Oh so every day you could just do this and just go to do it. Every day, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You could.
SPEAKER_01:Uh and the food, following on from the sherry and whatever, the food in Hareth, everywhere you go is phenomenal.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. And that's what I was gonna ask what are what are the toppers like meatballs or little salmon or cheese or anything that you really like? All those. Yeah, all those all those and more.
SPEAKER_02:They're probably the most famous. There's a couple of things they're famous for in in Heref. Um, not just Heref, but other places. And my favourite is what they call chicharonis. And anywhere they go, I try that, which is basically deep fried pork belly, which sounds disgusting, but it's just divine. It's divine. Chicharronese um ham or hamon, which is, you know, all over the this part of Spain is just very, very famous. And and um they have a lot of patte and and um well, yeah, meatballs, all that, all that sort of tapa stuff. Um the other thing that they're very well known for is their churros, which is um I think most people have heard of them, you know, like the uh deep fried, a bit like a donut but long hairs. So they there's one little place in in Jerez right next to the the food market, the micado, and it's a little kiosk, and they don't just sell one or you don't just buy one or two, you buy them by the weight. So you have like um, I'm not let's say a pound or half a pound of churros, you know, so you buy them, and then from there, literally 20 meters away or 60 feet away, there's a little cafe where you go and get your coffee and then your big jar of hot chocolate. And then all the locals are sitting there with their churros and they're dunking them in the hot chocolate and they're drinking their cafe con leche. And um, and once again, that's just locals, and they do that every morning, you know, like there's just line up, they just line up early and get those churros. And that does smell divine as well.
SPEAKER_07:Right. It's like the donut stuff, right? It's like the fried stick kind of thing with cinnamon and sugar. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:So I always thought it was like more Mexican, but of course, I'm sure some of the Spanish or the Mexican food originated in Spain, so or maybe churros can be the other way around.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Vice versa. But that that's very, very popular there um in in Herez, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So um it's very affordable too. Um, and we we only know Australian dollars, but where we were staying, and I think the euro is pretty well the same as um American dollars. So for us, it was where we stayed was$100 a night, which is probably only around$60 US dollars. So, and it was a beautiful apartment and cod and kitchen and everything, rooftop pool. So, you know, that's it's it is very very affordable and it's and it's really walkable, easy. And the other thing, Hereth has this lovely train station, it's it's covered in these beautiful blue and white tiles. It's uh people like if you're just going through, it's it's what you know, but people love looking at the train station. But you can take the train, you know, to Seville if you want to base yourself in Hareth, you can go to Seville or you can go the other way, which is down to the coast, to a place called Cadiff, and that's spelled with a Z at the end, but you know, TH sound. Uh you know, it's probably several other little places along the way, and we we went to a couple of those as well. Uh so you know, because we don't drive over there because obviously we drive on the other side of the road in Australia, and that's just way too confusing for us. But if you do buyer a car, Heret de la frontera means of the the front of the border, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it was the it was the line between where the Muslims controlled and the other side was where the Christians controlled back in the 1400s. That's what the Delaware.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, okay, okay. And there's uh quite a few of those around Heref. And so if you want to do some day trips, one of the most famous ones is called Arcos de la Frontera, which is a hillside town full of white, it's all just white houses and spectacular views. Uh we actually did a day trip, so we hopped on on a bus and and went to some other little places, and we were stunned by the mountains and how green they were, and and it was it was lush and beautiful and and the views, so yeah, it's worth doing a couple of day trips. So you did the day trips from Haraph.
SPEAKER_06:Okay. And what was the one that with the White Houses? Arcos, you said? Arcos?
SPEAKER_02:A-R-C-O-S, Arcos de la Frontera. Okay, Arcos. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_01:And there was another town, my favorite town was called Grassel Lema. Grasselle Lema, and it was just in the middle of nowhere, this beautiful white village, and it was stunning, wasn't it? And it was probably the highest point of the the the mountain. And then it's it this is all in National Park as well. So it's just stunning. And it's probably it's uh what, be lucky to be an hour from Haret.
SPEAKER_03:That's true.
SPEAKER_07:How do you spell it? We're speaking to Le Grasel G-R-E-S-L-E?
SPEAKER_01:Uh uh uh G-R-A-Z-A-L-E-M-A. The only reason I know that is because we're actually working on the podcast for this area.
SPEAKER_02:We were talking to a couple, they were from Germany, and they have a house in Heref and we're at we're at one of the a nice restaurant there, and someone said, Well, why would why Heref? And he said, It's got everything. It's 30 minutes from the beach, it's cheap, it's got all the Spanish culture, you know, it's so easy to get round, and we just we love it here. And I and a lot of the locals feel like they live at the beach, even though they are 30 minutes away, because it's just a really quick, easy drive or easy train trip, and you're you're you're at the beach, and there's so many little different beaches along between here and and down the bottom where Cadith is as well. So lots of little places that are easy to get to if you have a car and uh not no no tourists at all. So it's where all the locals go. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Okay. 30 minutes from the beach. And so you took a train from Seville, right, to Jerez? Yeah. And then if you wanted to go to the beach, would there would you have to take a bus or is there a train that goes all the way to the beach?
SPEAKER_01:No, it's a train.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Um bus and train.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but trains are so easy. It's a it's a really uh big train station at Hereath. Well, not it's not huge, but there's two or three lines, so there's trains going either way. Um so you could easy you could actually hop on a train in Seville and go through Jerez down to Cadith as well. It's a fast train, so you're there in probably less than an hour, to be honest.
SPEAKER_01:Um and Cadith is a highlight in itself. Cadith's beautiful too.
SPEAKER_07:It's a whole other podcast, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. That's great. It's funny, the picture I'm looking at, it almost looks like the Rockies. It look uh the Graz um Grazalemna. Right. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Grazilemma, yeah. Grazilemma.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's a it's a beautiful little spot, isn't it? It looks like older. Looks like it looks like where I live.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, okay. Well it doesn't look like you're lucky then.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, it doesn't look lucky. Uh one of the things uh that we discovered when we were in Hareth, because we love to do walking tours. And um to be honest, there was literally zero English-speaking walking tours that we could find. Um, there were some people that came, like they started in Seville and came, you know, for for a visit to Hareth and Cadith and then back to Seville. But we just wanted, we like to do a like a walking tour to get to know the history and the area. And so we discovered a um, there's another podcast, travel podcast that I listened to, and they talked often about this, the voice map app, which is a free app that you download. I don't know if you girls have heard about that. So the voice map app, it's free to download on your phone, and then you can just search where you are, and it has walking tours for sale, so you can actually download them to your phone, right? For us it was 16 Australian dollars, so probably, you know, less than 10 US dollars. And it was like a 90-minute tour, and a local person has done it, they've walked around, and so it works on the GPS, so it tells you where to start. And so we start at the market and it gives you all the information, then it says, you know, go on to the next spot. So you look at the map on your phone, you see where you're going, and it it follows you, it says you've got 90 meters to go, or whatever you know the distance is. And as soon as you get to the next area, it just the the narration comes back on and tells you all about it. And yeah, it's fast, it's it's really fabulous.
SPEAKER_04:Like it's really, really good.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So I we were we just love that. We so once we did this tour, I actually contacted the the guy who did this particular because every it's all different people. So I contacted this guy and just told him how much I liked it. And then we did some others when we're in in there as well, because sometimes you only have a day and you don't the tour's not going to be when you're w wanting it.
SPEAKER_01:Um it's in there's no English one. Yeah, no English speaking.
SPEAKER_02:And and and you can just pause it. Like we just paused it, went and had a coffee, and then we come back and then we we we went again so really brilliant and I think there's over two thousand different ones now so really really good and then you've got lifetime access to them. You say you know like so we just put in a like a little earphone each and off we wandered and I'm I'm sort of listening and taking photos and Lyles you know writing down his history notes. It it was it was brilliant.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah really really good and the next one we did was in San Sebastian. No Segovia and Sebastian oh Segovia Segovia and each one was as good as each other. The quality of them is fantastic and I'm a real history nerd and yeah it's I was certainly very happy with it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah so it wasn't just like oh here's that building but no that building was so and so like history.
SPEAKER_02:No it's like doing an actual well I guess every tour's different every person's different but you know we did one that was like a more of a food tour in one place that got walk didn't actually go into the places but this is where you can have this and this is where you can have that. But yeah so I guess it depends on the quality of the the person doing it but most of them you know like we we got all our information from about the one of the plazas we went to you know tells stories about the big column in the middle and how the local mayor climbed up it and you know like or just just some really stuff that you would not know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And at the same time as you're going through they're recommending cafes, restaurants, bars.
SPEAKER_07:That's how they pay for it maybe just uh or they well they get paid I guess like say they get say it's sixteen dollars for us.
SPEAKER_02:I mean obviously the voice map people probably get you know 10% and whatever tour they sell. It's not it wouldn't be a big money maker for them. No some of them have then run private tours like uh this guy didn't but some people like you if you like this tour you know I'll do it you can contact me and I can do a private tour. So I can guess it that's true. It's a bit of a um you know it can be if you like a sales sing if you've got more if you're a tour guide. But this guy just does it because he he really enjoys it. He has a I think he has a website with that he does so he sends people to that I guess. So yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Oh and also I'm thinking then you said then you get to keep it so then when you come back you're like oh what was the name of that building that was such a you like message over again. That's so neat.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah yeah yeah that we we really really like that so yeah next time we go back to Spain we'd we're we'll definitely go back to this this area because it's just so Spanish you know it it's it you know the the there's just shops selling all the flamenco clothes you know like you walk in and they've got the shawls and the the hair pieces and the long dresses and then and the shoes it's just and the big earrings it's just stunning.
SPEAKER_01:And when while we were there that's the other thing we noticed about the locals too while we were there it was pretty warm. But uh we because we were there for two weekends there was a lot of weddings um and we could not believe how well dressed the ladies and the guys were this is 40 degree heat the guys have got three piece suits on their shoes were like mirrors like it and it was everybody. So there's the very very what's the word I suppose cultured I suppose I don't know very well dressed and the girls look stunning.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah just like beautiful you know um in fact we purposely go down to our favourite breakfast cafe right near the church you know on on Friday and Saturday mornings and just to just to watch the the people walking past to go and off to weddings didn't we free fashion show huh?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah in Australia we're a bit casual you know yeah you put your best jeans on really lucky that they're on the pants yeah yeah my friend was telling me she's a flight attendant and when she and this like 20 years ago when the first time she ever went to the South in the US like Charleston or something she's like I got off and like everyone really wears a lot of makeup and really goes to town like that's just the southern flair in the United States. And she's like where is there a wedding going on and I was like no this is just how they dress oh that's interesting.
SPEAKER_02:Really flashing it's nice because you walk around the there's you know obviously we're talking about shopping but just the lovely fashion stuff that you can you can buy you know in Spain which we don't we we don't get here you know we don't get exposed to it I love coming home people say oh I like your you know like I'm like yeah I got that in Spain nice that's beautiful what when do you think it's the best time to go I think we were there in uh early June um so that I wouldn't go any later than that so yeah so probably May to early June um and I well I imagine we've been in Spain in September and it's quite nice as well but I'd avoid the obviously July August if possible just because it's it's inland a bit so you don't get any of the cooling you know ocean breezes and things.
SPEAKER_06:So what about like more in the cooler? Do you think it gets pretty cold there? Do they get uh it looks pretty far south.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah well I don't think it gets too cold like anywhere sort of I guess inland that doesn't have protection the temperatures would drop at night. Um I imagine yeah like winter time and it's it's probably fine. In fact um you know our artist friend Steve they they often go in in the colder months yeah February January February yeah okay yeah and uh they've then they'll they've sent us photos when they've been in in Seville at that time too and it's just and even Cadith and Heref there's just nobody around so even less people. Oh okay very nice yeah if you like walking then it's you know it's a great city definitely to to walk around and you know if you're gonna do little train hopping from Heref down like the what was the little town that we went to uh with the castle. Oh Puerto There's Santa Maria and that's another another little town not maybe 20 minutes bar uh train ride and there's a big castle there but lot you know you can walk and beautiful beaches. Yeah just yeah it's yeah great great spot for exploring like that and that's you know when you said before you know we're slow travellers you know like I think yeah I think more yeah curious travelers would be us and and just just yeah just go on and explore what what you can yeah just take your time and explore.
SPEAKER_01:And that can the countryside just outside of Herez obviously because of the the grape growing for the sherry um that's just glorious the the countryside is green large scenic as well absolutely beautiful um and you can fly the Heref has its own airport.
SPEAKER_02:We left the funny story we left Heref uh to fly to meet some friends in Mallorca so we went to I found uh the when we could do a direct flight so we flew out of her Hereth and we hopped into a taxi um at an apartment and we were sort of maybe five minutes into the trip and and the guy says because we speak a bit of Spanish and he spoke a little bit of English so he was telling us that his it's his shift was ending and he was swapping over with someone else so we've basically gone into the middle of suburbia and he's hopped out another guy's hopped in and then we turn around and headed back to the airport. They didn't turn the meter off so I don't know like w whether we paid more or not I have no idea. So we get to the airport our flights at maybe 5 pm I think and we get to the airport maybe 4 or 3 30 I wouldn't be 4. I'd give myself a couple hours that's me and there's basically three flights all day out of this airport. So it is so quiet. It is like so easy to to navigate there's no lining up you just you know you're just basically through I've never been to a an airport so quiet but it does bring in international um flights as well uh so and then so and then you go from Hareth and you fly to Mallorca a bit off to subject here but Mallorca's one of the busiest airports I've ever been there's 22 you know luggage carousels it's just insanely busy. So we're just chilled at Hareth having a love then all of a sudden hit Mallorca and we're like whoa um but if you if you can't fly into the the Hareth airport Seville Airport isn't that far away either so you know Malaga.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah so there's you know lots of ways to get to this area yeah okay oh my gosh I've never heard of it before and so I'm so excited it sounds great. And then how are they did you get a chance to like talk to the local people was that pretty easy to do and are enough people speak English to or are you going to practice your Spanish?
SPEAKER_02:Oh yes and no as I said because we do speak a little bit of Spanish we it it was good but there certainly are English speakers. Most people you ask if they speak English they say oh a little bit but their little bit is actually pretty good. Okay. Yeah so I think they they basically choose not to speak English because there's you know most people are just Spanish there. So but you know the me you can get menus in English they ask you you know at the bigger restaurants do you know or once again as Kristen said you can you use your Google Translate on the on the menus so we didn't have any issues really um at at all did we?
SPEAKER_01:No and a lot of the a lot of the locals though that um they want to practice their English anyway. Like you go into restaurants and I'll try and speak a bit of Spanish and they all know that I've got no idea. So they'll talk back to me in in English and I said um look I want to practice my my Spanish and they say well we want to practice our English and they're much better than me.
SPEAKER_02:They still have that uh siesta time too oh yeah it's very big in this area what does that look like? Describe what that is like in terms of you know well if you want to go to a shop or uh out to lunch or something you need to do it before basically two o'clock because between say two and five two on five you won't get in you won't get any shops open. It just they all just shut down. Yep. That's so great. It is great. So you you know we we certainly learnt to um have our siestas and and then you you basically you won't get any cooked any sort of cooked food. You can get ollies and things like that but it to to actually order food the earliest you'll get is eight o'clock and earliest the earliest and honestly you're probably nine or ten you know so you're you're just out at at night and um but that's one of the joys of Spain especially this this uh area is just walking around the plazas at night it's so safe you've got that amazing midnight blue sky that the that's in the Mediterranean area and the they light all the buildings up you know the historical buildings so they've got this sort of And they're mainly sandstone buildings. Yes golf and glow against the sky and then they've got all the the lights around the plazas and people just sitting at the tables you know having their their sherry or their wine and you can hear flamenco going in the background the clapping and stuff. It's a pretty magical experience for sure.
SPEAKER_06:So once you took the train there then you you didn't really need the vehicle you just could walk everywhere or every once in a while take a taxi we just walked everywhere.
SPEAKER_02:Oh okay yeah that's how many people we got a taxi from when we first arrived we got a taxi from the train station to our accommodation with our with our luggage uh but yeah after that we just we just walked probably the furthest we walked was out to the equestrian center um but that was okay because we discovered one of our favorite restaurants out there for lunch yeah for lunch you know you just sort of wander along that that's the joy of this this sort of area and doing this is just look at that that looks nice let's go and have a look in there and we went to the uh Lyle likes to do laps he's a swimmer so we went and found a a um a pool area and a sports center and so he did some laps and you know I got in the pool and did some aquaobics and you know like with it's um yeah it's just and then you speak to the locals they they didn't speak much English they actually didn't know how to charge us because it's like a weekly membership so they're they're just like oh you got they just let us go in that they let you in you know to be able to do that. Yeah yeah it's great everyone's pretty friendly and uh so friendly yeah so we you get to do those sorts of things if you're not just there for a a day you know and um well I think that just adds to the experience. And we've you know a lot of people talk about how many countries they've been to we just sort of think for us that doesn't suit us. Um we would just rather you know like go to one place and explore that for a while you know like we had we've had eight weeks in Italy we've had you know I think we've had five months in total in Spain you know over our five trips so wow you know we've we've spent a lot of time time there and every time we go we go back to some favourites we go to some new places and this is definitely one of our our go-to favorite places because it just is so Spanish yeah well this time too this last time we to we went to a place we've never been to and it's called uh Galicia which is in northwestern uh Spain and so above Portugal it's above Portugal no tourists yeah no tourists so it's green and laughing and absolutely stacked well it's where the uh the Camino the finishes like Santiago de Compostel is in Galicia but so a lot of people have been there but not you know all the other places you know so it's a that's that's a that's a subject for another podcast because there's some um spectacular things in in Galicia yeah for sure.
SPEAKER_06:And that's is that is that part of that where that Domingo trail is you can go to camp have you guys ever thought about doing that or have you done part of it at all?
SPEAKER_02:No we've we've been on little parts of it we've been at the end of it we've been you know like we've we might do a like hundred meters where we're in town. It's not that spiritual yeah we don't we don't we like walking um not so much hiking and we like to go and sit in a plaza and get our local um I hit fix there. Yeah we'd we'd yeah we're that I love that if we were going to have a w a week or ten days we don't want to be walking evil countryside where we can't explore. Yeah. But I certainly get the attraction of it.
SPEAKER_01:But that San Diego the the town where the the the cathedral is where where the pilgrimage go where it finishes is absolutely stunning.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah yeah absolutely but Hereth is just if you want Spain and you want you know you think of it as the polka dot dresses and the sherry and the horses and the you know the guys with the hats on and and that this is what this area is for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Wow and you're sitting in a plaza and the guys well yeah guys will come and they'll put their like a s a wooden square down and they'll bus doing flamenco dance. Like it's and then you've got guys walking around or girls walking around doing you know flamenco guitar work. And this is yeah and it's just unbelievable.
SPEAKER_06:Okay. All right well So I'm a soldier yes I'm totally sold. Okay so just from rapid fire questions if we're ready. Yep. Okay so what would you have for breakfast every day there? Or in Spain? What's your favorite?
SPEAKER_02:Easy tostada de tomate toast with beautiful grated tomato with olive oil on it and cafe con leche and zumo de naranja which is the freshest orange juice you've ever had every day. Oh I've heard they like make it all fresh squeeze right they do yeah yeah but the tomato it's not just last night it's like grated and it's the skin's offered and it's mixed with olive oil it's divine.
SPEAKER_06:Or balsamic vinegar yes I prefer the balsamic vinegar okay got it um and if you were gonna have one meal there like for dinner what would you what would you have pork cheese? Yeah you it's all all about the the pork. Yeah the pork pork is big it's all about the pork pretty much three times now okay great and then how would you handle the money?
SPEAKER_02:Like do you recommend credit cards or do you want to transition your money with the cards we've had a little bit of cash but like a lot of European countries we've been to they like cash but we find in Spain just like 99% of places accept card we use a a debit card uh for us but you know credit card or debit card and um that that's fine everywhere you go.
SPEAKER_01:And we've never had a problem. No.
SPEAKER_06:Okay great cool and then um coffee or tea it sounds like um what did most people drink cafe con leche yeah okay it's coffee with milk great is it as espresso is yeah yeah no no no espresso it's got it has got a lot better as as Lyle said yeah but but but you know we probably went how long ago or maybe eight years ago maybe first time nine years nine years ago coffee was terrible now um and we're Australia's really spoiled that we've got really good coffee here it's we don't grow it here but the um they roast it here but um the coffee's really really good oh right like Sumatra I remember that was like my favorite coffee that's not too far from Australia it's like in Indonesia somewhere you know yeah yeah yeah yeah okay and then final uh closest place to surf do you know have you ever watched any surfing and I don't I think we've talked that you I don't expect that you surf but do you know like where people go to go surfing in in Spain.
SPEAKER_02:Closest place to where we are oh where we are across the road no and in Here Yeah no we can see people surfing here but in Herez down down there it's like the Mediterranean meets the Atlantic Ocean so anywhere sort of along along that sort of coastal area I'm I'm sure people go surfing there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah and in that coast of Herez but in Spain some of the best surfing is in San Sebastian. San Sebastian and also off the coast of Galicia okay great so what other countries have you been to in case we want to have you back again have you been to Slovenia at all that's a really beautiful yeah I've heard it's amazing divine Slovenia we've we've had some time in Hungary just in the in Budapest we've been to uh Croatia Croatia Montenegro Italy Italy yeah yeah yeah Florence Tuscany yeah Rome we had eight weeks there Mount next one we're going to hopefully well the word planning now is to go back to Portugal and also France.
SPEAKER_06:Oh okay great next year so you'll do that like in like six nine six to nine months from now like in your fall your spring your your yeah your winter you'll go talk to our finance people next week it's a very expensive hobby.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah I was curious what it what your year looked like how often do you travel and then is it eight weeks at a time and then that's sort of what we try and do.
SPEAKER_02:Well we want to be as much as possible we want to be here from su spring summer because it's just the best weather and we love the beach. We love that so we we wouldn't want to go away not that we wouldn't but you know we probably wouldn't go away until maybe February if we did something local here. So you know like say Tasmania down south or even New Zealand we want to do a road trip out of the winter there. So that that but normally we would go away early May May, June, July through those months and um and yeah so look every year's different really we've we've got lots of little weekends away this year as well but yeah I think next week next year we're looking at France and Portugal maybe maybe just eight weeks and then um we're looking at going to New Zealand skiing with some family in September.
SPEAKER_01:So you know we'll yeah that's another country another another country is that is stunning is New Zealand. Yeah it is absolutely stunning. Yeah that's probably the most beautiful country well though you know Slovenia though it's a toss up between Slovenia and oh really Slovenia that that stands out that much yeah okay it is glorious yes and have you been to Croatia no so we did a lot of time there too oh okay yeah so maybe we can do Slovenia and Croatia sometime and I could just listen to yours I'm sure have you done episodes on those?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah yeah okay I'll I'll listen to those as well to get some background and get me really excited.
SPEAKER_07:Uh and then we actually just like pardon Hungary Budapestly beautiful wow so many places it almost looks like um uh just the sound of music but with water it's gorgeous yeah um so are you girls still enjoying your podcasting yeah yeah so it's um it's slowed down a little bit just because we've got really busy with book that's working and traveling.
SPEAKER_06:Um so but yeah so we haven't done one for I think it's probably three months.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah we but we had a little backlog yeah now we've got them back on the calendars.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah and then I was just looking at all the cut people that have listened. So we've had people listen at over 111 different countries. And so when I look at those countries I'm like we never did Taiwan you know so part of it I wanted to learn more and we've had a lot of you know repeat countries but like you said there's still within those countries there's so many like special places.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah like you know we don't have to do just Paris you know I'm sure there's probably tons of places in you know Spain and Best 10 and Gems have been where we're talking with someone and then we just sort of and I always add the uh add at the end like what else is there that we're we haven't captured that would be an interesting something and I remember there was one person where there wasn't it like pink dolphins or oh yeah that was in that was in Ecuador yeah Ecuador inland in Ecuador there's um yeah like river with pink dolphins like crazy yeah from like another penguin on another island at night you know just some really neat things that you know you wouldn't know um so you're you know not spending the time to really be there and slow travel I guess you'd say yeah yeah exactly just to and how and how about you like it's so nice that this is your own travel so it's really you're you're just recording your diary.
SPEAKER_06:Now you have Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's pretty much but we get um we were doing one every week and um that just got a lot of work. We yeah so yeah it's a lot of work goes into it. You know, even though we've been there we still research and make sure we cover everything and I do a a web page so every every place I've got to upload photos and do the written part of it. So you know it was filling up our week and we just like let's have a break over Christmas our and uh because numbers drop off anyway then so and then and we basically went just to Fortnite and it hasn't affected downloads and then we thought well it doesn't really matter we're not doing it for the downloads you know we're still getting people send us emails of thank you and reaching out asking us you all you know stuff and um you know so if we can help anybody that's that's the best thing isn't it yeah there's Leanne gets an email you know a request for information nearly every day every day.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah oh really oh wow yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and we get some really really nice um thank yous for you know we've we've recommended you know places and we're just one recently in uh Barcelona and they stayed in the exact hotel that we stayed they went to the rooftop bar that we talked about and basically they followed everything we did. Ah that's so and they just said they had the best holiday.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah and what I've what I'm starting to do now um I did it a while back but I've come back to it is on the web page I'm putting like say on our Hereth um blog um I basically just have it's not this it's not just show notes it's just basic information about places and the photos. So I say on the podcast you want to see this go and have a look but I've also put like a I've done a Google map and I've put everywhere that we talk about on the Google map and so you can actually go to the website and look at that but you can also download it to your phone so you know you can look oh where was that restaurant and it's and it and it's and it's there. So I'm sending people to that now because that's really um yeah really good. And I also telling people now about the voice map app too because I just um that's just a brilliant little thing to have up your sleeve. Do they offer affiliate program that you can add it? They do I haven't like um they I I can't quite figure out how to use it yet. The ladies have some some links but like you know I think it's like you know 10% of$16. So it's not right yeah yeah the chances that um yeah yeah yeah people are actually going to go there they might just remember the name but well yeah it's more like just to give people that option of of being able to do the the the walking tour whenever they want to you know um they also do them inside museums and and um art galleries which I didn't know there's so Ian McKeller who's like uh a very famous English actor you know oh yeah sounds familiar one of the Lord of the Rings yes like very very posh gentleman he he narrates one around the um West End area of London like it like how good's that you know like yeah so yeah it's pretty it's pretty cool so oh that's great that you're just giving back I do I do put links in our web page of a if we've done a tour I will put the link to that in with um via tour I have an affiliate with that um but I don't recommend anything I have it done because I just you know that's I'm not there to make money but if I you know I've I I do put the link in so some people have booked a a wine tour so you know sometimes I might get twenty bucks every now and then have to pay first it's not paying any bills but yeah goes straight to PayPal and it's it serves my other passion which is crochet so I'm buying I'm buying yarn how many years have you done it now?
SPEAKER_01:Four years I guess yeah yeah well for our first one was um in Paris in Paris sitting we were sitting on the uh sitting on the apartment floor just caught recording on our phone so that's how that's how novice we were and uh yeah not much has changed really that's great I do edit now I never used to but I do now I know that feeling that it's a pain and it's a bit of work.
SPEAKER_02:Yes it is a lot of work and then yeah I get through yeah yeah and um and I and I just keep going until it's done. Right that's me.
SPEAKER_06:I love like meeting new people so it's so great to talk to you again and um Australia one day that I can look you at.
SPEAKER_07:Oh yeah yeah bring your surfboard yeah I I did that for um South Korea and Bali. I went to both these places and I got to stay I actually I stayed with the gal in South Korea and then she um I was like oh I want to take you to dinner and she said two things come stay with me with your kids and then I want to I'm gonna have you go and stay with this Rip Curl pro family in Bali. It's like okay I'll take that so I took she's like it's a seven hour flight like that's okay I'll do it yeah yeah well we cut we we're 24 hour flights to get to Europe so you know no sympathy there.
SPEAKER_02:No you just go no big deal.
SPEAKER_06:Oh that's what it's gonna ask how do you go to Europe? Do you go from I assume you go west right or like over India in that way or do you go across America?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah we we fly rhythmic Emirates Emirates and so we go through Dubai. Oh okay um and then Dubai yeah you can basically fly anywhere in the world from there so um then from there to Europe. So it's about a 14 hour flight from Brisbane to Dubai and then anything from sort of seven eight nine hours depending on where you're flying to from there to Europe.
SPEAKER_07:Have you had the Dubai chocolate yet? No I don't think we have have we uh yeah it's it's uh uh pistachio and then some sort of you know phyllo dough but it's like almost like I I I there it's like a Czech cereal I don't know it's like really it's like what is that rice breaded wheat kind of feeling oh okay not I need to okay not it's covered in chocolate to it was all the craze my kids it was being all on you know it was on Instagram or something and so then I haven't heard of either yeah when we I took my kids to Oahu went to Hawaii this in June and they happened to have this one chocolate store that had like the actual Dubai chocolate I got a bar for it was expensive it was like 30 something dollars for a bar and the bar was you know it was like this big want to be not a big bar but wow get one and yeah yeah yeah no we haven't heard of it that price we probably won't be trying it yeah well and then also since like do you guys do Southeast Asia that's just like so much closer for you or just really not that interested.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah we've done Japan um but yeah it's not on the top of our list. We like the wine regions and uh Southeast Asia isn't really known for wine. Oh true okay yeah so we like the history in the wine and what goes with the wine regions is the you know the beautiful food and yeah just the the surroundings of that but um yeah maybe maybe one day it's not it's we don't mind the flight like we're quite you know it's part of the holiday it's just what you do right so but now we'll do a few more Europe trips I think as yeah we sounds great we don't have a big list we just um you know we we just make it up as we go okay that sounds great all right well enjoy your you guys are approaching summer enjoy your time at home yeah yeah we are it's beautiful it's gonna be 27 degrees Celsius today which I don't know what that is with you but that's really nice temperature's not too hot I've got my little five year old uh grandson coming to have a sleepover tonight so he'll be here soon so we'll probably hit the beach and the pool and yeah let's have a fun day. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it's nice to catch up with you girls again too all right all right thanks to you later adios adios adios thanks for listening if you enjoyed the podcast can you please take a second and do a quick follow of the show and rate us in your podcast app and if you have a minute we would really appreciate a review following and rating is the best way to support us.
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