Ever feel like you're trucking along life's highway, navigating the twists and turns of industry, politics, and personal interactions? Jim and I sure do, and we're here to share the ride with you in this latest episode of Truckin' On Recap. Buckle up as we tackle the trucking industry's operational shifts, from balancing driver workloads to addressing the ripple effects of deadhead miles on profitability. But it's not all about the open road; we pull up to the intersection of technology and cultural sensitivities, revealing the contentious biases of AI and the uproar around Google's Gemini missteps.
This week's conversation takes an unexpected detour into the courtroom drama surrounding the Trump election fraud case, stirring up the murky waters of politics with a dose of reality from the legal trenches. We're calling it as we see it, examining the potential conflict of interest at play and dishing out our unfiltered opinions on political maneuvers that could reshape the nation's future. And if you think that's all, you're in for a surprise. We also shift into high gear discussing personal experiences that shed light on the nuances of customer service encounters and how they intersect with societal norms surrounding gender identity.
We wrap our journey with a candid examination of larger national concerns, as we contemplate the implications of Biden's cognitive abilities and the fallout of document handling controversies. With an eye on the road ahead, we ponder the potential of re-election and its impact on crime rates and border security, not shying away from the stark realities and challenges that lie before us. So pour yourself a cup of joe and join us as we navigate the highways and byways of trucking, politics, technology, and society, where every turn opens up new horizons for discussion and discovery.
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Ever feel like you're trucking along life's highway, navigating the twists and turns of industry, politics, and personal interactions? Jim and I sure do, and we're here to share the ride with you in this latest episode of Truckin' On Recap. Buckle up as we tackle the trucking industry's operational shifts, from balancing driver workloads to addressing the ripple effects of deadhead miles on profitability. But it's not all about the open road; we pull up to the intersection of technology and cultural sensitivities, revealing the contentious biases of AI and the uproar around Google's Gemini missteps.
This week's conversation takes an unexpected detour into the courtroom drama surrounding the Trump election fraud case, stirring up the murky waters of politics with a dose of reality from the legal trenches. We're calling it as we see it, examining the potential conflict of interest at play and dishing out our unfiltered opinions on political maneuvers that could reshape the nation's future. And if you think that's all, you're in for a surprise. We also shift into high gear discussing personal experiences that shed light on the nuances of customer service encounters and how they intersect with societal norms surrounding gender identity.
We wrap our journey with a candid examination of larger national concerns, as we contemplate the implications of Biden's cognitive abilities and the fallout of document handling controversies. With an eye on the road ahead, we ponder the potential of re-election and its impact on crime rates and border security, not shying away from the stark realities and challenges that lie before us. So pour yourself a cup of joe and join us as we navigate the highways and byways of trucking, politics, technology, and society, where every turn opens up new horizons for discussion and discovery.
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Welcome to Truckin' On Recap. I'm here today with my co-host, jim. I am your host, rich. We have a heck of a show here for you today. Sit back, relax and grab the beverage of your choice. Let's get this show rockin' in a roll in here. Here we go. Alright, we're good, we're cooking. Everything's hot. We're recording. We're good. What's going on? Oh, very little Nothing, nothing at all. So what's going on down at your account? Anything good, anything rockin' down there.
Speaker 2:No, just trying to strike a balance between the regular day cab drivers and the drivers that they have running the lows that are consolidated between the three different DCs. Now, in effect, just as a reminder, what they're trying to do is they're trying to eliminate dead head, so they're having these guys go out on these tours in sleeper cab trucks where you deliver to a store but they're going to find you a backhaul within 10 or 15 miles of your store. The objective is to constantly keep you loaded and eliminate dead head miles as much as possible.
Speaker 1:Now, by doing that, though, also they're cutting back miles for these guys. Oh, they're cutting back miles severely.
Speaker 2:It's to the point where they had to put in a weekly minimum for them. Really, I want to say the weekly minimum they're guaranteed is 1,700. Gross, yeah, wow. Now here's the problem with that, and I brought this up in the last podcast not to be a dead horse, but it's still something that bothers me as a driver. Trainer management is now expecting me, when I have a trainee, to run those kind of miles so that these guys could be trained in that kind of feeling, and my feeling on it is listen, I don't train out of the kindness of my heart, I train to make money, exactly, and if you're not going to pay me accordingly, just take me off the trainer list, it's okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's it, yeah, we're. You know, it's weird because right after Christmas we dropped off drastically with freight, I mean big time, and I thought that over, I don't know, maybe we would pick up, probably the end, end of this month, march, but no, we picked up about a week ago and we're still rocking and rolling.
Speaker 2:You also gained some lanes because one of the carriers is out. You guys are in right.
Speaker 1:As far as we know, that's the word on the street. We didn't get an official confirmation on that. We did get another facility to deliver to, which is up in Colchester, vermont, nice, and another one somewhere up in Maine. Yeah, that's some serious mileage right there. Yeah, you can't, you can't, definitely can't, turn it to get back. No, you know, I talked to the other guys about it and you know we sit there and we talk about well, how can we run it with this load and that load and this back all and that back all to make as much profit as we can with it? You know, and yeah, but we're rocking. Man, I thought for sure we'd slow down quite a bit. We did slow down, but I didn't even I didn't think we'd slowed down as much as I initially thought we would. So, yeah, we're rocking and rolling.
Speaker 2:We're starting to come around as far as springtime stuff, spring surge, yeah, and guys, of course you know they're putting the potted soil out there, they're putting the mulch and all the other stuff like that out Right and all the stuff that goes along with that. You know we don't deliver them the mulch. We do some of the grass every once in a while, but everything that goes along with it we deliver Right. So now's the time. Thank Christ, they got, you know, some Saturday work in, yeah, and it's more regular, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You guys like cut your fleet down just about in half, didn't you Over the past year or two.
Speaker 2:I think that's fair to say. I think we're down to like 80 drivers now. Yeah, and I can't remember the last time that we hired a day cab driver. Really, it's been a minute, yeah, and that's what I told our boss. I was like listen, you want me to train. Next time you hire a day cab driver, put him in my truck, I'll show him the ropes, but until then, you're not going to have me running 300 miles a day. Right, and call that good. Right, and you have that.
Speaker 1:No, is that due to retention? You think that they're not hiring a lot of day cab drivers, or they they're looking more into a sleeper guys.
Speaker 2:Right. I think what they? I think they were forced to hire more sleeper guys because of these campaigns that they're running for the, the, the drastically reduced dead hit Right. You know what I mean. But realistically, the day cab carries that fleet at least out of pits than it Right and a lot of the stores that we go to. It's not that they can't accommodate a sleeper, but it's a bad idea to accommodate a sleeper. Some of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I know when I was on that account there's at least two, two facilities that I went to that I dreaded, dreaded going to them, cause I just didn't fit.
Speaker 2:And it's not just the stores, it's the. Some of our back calls too are really kind of yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, we, we talked about the backhaul. We just mentioned a backhaul there and we had a guy well, actually he worked on your account for a while. He bought his own truck and he came to my account and then he left it went back to in his truck. He come. Now he wants to come back. It's like Holy shit and he's complaining that he's not making any money. And the problem is too he, he bought this tractor and he's not making the money and he has this payment. So now he's in this predicament.
Speaker 1:As you know, he can't afford to to to make the payment. So that's when he first initially come back to our company and he was working for us and he still wasn't making enough to make the payment on the truck that he's not running and with the money he was making on our account. So he went back in the truck. He's still not making enough. Now he wants to come back because he felt like most of it is a health insurance issues that he can't really afford on his own. But the point I'm getting at is here brokers. I just did a little research on brokers and all his loads. He goes through brokers. I guess not a hundred percent sure on that one, but I know he gets quite a few of them through brokers really quick.
Speaker 2:before you wait into this, I just have a quick. You might have the answer to this. Why doesn't he just get in the company truck and, if he knows somebody or that he can trust, or hire on somebody to run his truck, so that he's got a dual source of income to at least cover the payment and insurance on the other truck?
Speaker 1:The problem is with that is, we had mentioned that to him and the problem is with that his insurance pretty much doubles. Oh crap, yeah, yeah, because it's not him.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Because he's paying insurance on the truck and he's paying plus a premium for whoever's driving it, right, and he's got to add them on. But these brokers, man, they're getting 40% of a load 40%. I just did the research on it and I looked at it and the more I looked and I researched into it, there really wasn't much on a financial aspect of it. What I was looking at was owner operators. They're just about done. A lot of them. They're just about done. They can't not afford to run the tractors.
Speaker 2:Oh, the payment, the insurance, the fuel, everything else that goes along with the broker fees and stuff like that, and how much of a bite that they take, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:And what does that do to the broker if these owner operators go out of business? If then fleets go down or not the fleets, but the owner operators, they go to the wayside. Now, that's going to put a damper on the brokers and for the guys that are sticking around, they got to make their money, they got to keep that coin coming in, yeah, so now they're going to raise the rates again, right, so how much more could they raise it?
Speaker 2:Here's a question how does one become a broker? What is a process of setting yourself up as a load broker?
Speaker 1:You have to be certified and register with DOT. There's other parts to it than I'm not a hundred percent sure what we get into with that. I did research it quite a couple of years back. I thought about doing it and in order to make money doing that, you have to run. The way I saw it was you. You sign on with a warehouse, a company whatever, whether it be Home Depot, Lowe's, Sam's Club, Walmart, whatever. You kind of have a contract with them and it's your responsibility. They'll give you so many loads per day to get out, so it'll be your responsibility to get them loads out. And what happens is for a broker to make money. You can't just run one company. You can't just run like a Sam's Club and expect to make $150 grand a year. You have to have at least five, from what I saw. So they're hustling. Oh yeah, it's not an easy gig, you know. I get it. We all need to make money.
Speaker 2:No wonder they're legendary for being pricks too. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I just don't see owner operators hanging out too long. And the difference is, too, the lease purchase programs with these companies. They consider you, they treat you like an owner operator to some degree, but actually you're not. Even though you're leasing that truck, they find you, your load, you're paying for your if the, your HUD sticker, all your permits, your DOT as a owner operator, as opposed to a lease purchase, the company's paying for all of that, Plus they, the company, gives you kickback on the fuel. You know the owner ops don't get the kickback on the fuel.
Speaker 2:Really quick. You know more about that. I've never looked at them because the idea of being an owner operator is an anathema to me. I want nothing to do with it. Guys that get their loads off of load boards are they still dealing with brokers, or is that a more direct way of getting loads?
Speaker 1:It depends, um, like, like I said, uh, some guys you know the guys that are leased down with the company they just go on a load board and pick their load, right. Right, Like an owner operator, like we have that that app, some owner operators can just uh, I think they do have to be registered with the company to go on that that app and just pick their load, rather than dealing with a broker from our company. Right, but if you're, if you're not registered with the company, you're going to have to deal with a broker, you know so the load load load boards and truck stops and stuff like that, that they're an independent guy.
Speaker 2:My, my thinking was always that an independent guy could pick up something that looks tasty and just contact directly. Oh, they could.
Speaker 3:They could call.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they could call.
Speaker 1:That seems like the wild, wild west.
Speaker 2:That's the last school, the last bastion of true independent trucking.
Speaker 1:Right, that's old school. You could go into a truck stop calling your broker and and now they could? You know, they could look on the board and say I want that and they could get the number call whatever.
Speaker 1:That's yeah that's what I'm talking about, you know. But uh, you know that's old school stuff and they don't do that anymore. Everything's done, you know, through through the phone, cell phone. Uh, go on the app and find the load If you like it. You could either just accept the bid that's given on the app or counter, or you can call the broker, the sign to that load and negotiate Yep, but he's not going to budge. I'm pretty much a hundred percent sure on that. He's not. He's not going to budge.
Speaker 2:The days of negotiation are over. Well, in this economy, come on yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with anything, with anything at all. You know, we went down to Lehigh Valley mall yesterday, wife and my son shopping, and for one I couldn't figure out why she wanted to go down there, because down in that area everything is a lot more expensive than it is up here, Right, so I couldn't figure it out. But the only reason she wanted to go down there was she thought she would get more of a selection. Yeah, and that was not the case. We ended up buying a couple of things and, yeah, I think three, three T shirts and a hat was probably close to 250. Holy dog shit. 225, something like that.
Speaker 2:I just paid 150 for a pair of engineer boots and I thought I was getting ripped off. Holy God, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And last weekend we went to eat meal, I kid, and we're sitting there. We were planning on going to shoot pull after we ate and Steve's scrolling through his phone there he says, oh, these are cool. He shows me cowboy boots. Oh man, $275 for a pair of cowboy boots for an adult. He wanted, he wanted a pair of boots. He's been asking for a long time. So I'm thinking, I said, man, I'm not spending that kind of money when you're just going to grow out of them in six months to a year. Right, I said, well, let's go check them out. We went up, checked them out and the kid's sizes were a lot cheaper than the adult's sizes and we got a pair of cowboy boots for them. They were $114. All right, that's not terrible. That's not terrible. Yeah, no, I don't think that even the price for a regular cowboy boots for an adult weren't bad.
Speaker 2:Well, the reason I.
Speaker 1:I think that was bad.
Speaker 2:The reason I chose the engineer boots and you know well, basically motorcycle boots Right, because I wanted them for the Harleys. When I bust the Harleys out, yeah, and I was expecting to pay a lot more, but especially with my size like these, I take a 15 triple E and finding them in stock as a bitch, yeah. And then when I found it. I was like a hundred and 45,. I better order these before they change their mind, Right, you know?
Speaker 1:now. I went into this store down there. You're going to get a kick out of this. I went into this store down there where they did a embroidery and uh, uh, well, goes on shirts. They did it for you right there, be dazzling Right. So I was going to get a shirt with our podcast logo on it. They said I'll get one for Jim and Tim, even though Tim's probably he might be out of the podcast for a little bit. And uh, it was 50 bucks a shirt up to a large. And I said, well, I think.
Speaker 2:I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 1:So I said to the guy I said well, how much for a five X? Oh, we do not get a five X.
Speaker 2:Do you know how many cottons have to die for a five X? And little polyester is going to that, yeah.
Speaker 1:But we found another one, another place, that did the same thing, a little bit down from that store, and uh, that shirt to have it embroidered, or the logo on it, whatever the vinyl, whatever they do. That was uh, 90, 95 dollars, holy God.
Speaker 2:Is it because it's a one off that it's that, that it's that expensive?
Speaker 1:Well, I think that I think what they plan on is somebody like me just walking in there and then looking at it and saying oh, I want it, you know what. I mean that that compulse yeah.
Speaker 2:The, the. The impuls by is over.
Speaker 1:Impulse buying yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And uh, I said, well, I was going to do it. And uh, I, I just couldn't see spending that kind of money for a shirt.
Speaker 2:I'm down to a three X now, if it saves you any money, is it down to a three? Are you yeah?
Speaker 1:We'll, we'll, uh, we'll see, we'll see. God damn this AIDS. But you could go on, uh, you know, go on the website and uh, check out our store there. We have some good stuff on there. We do not get a five X, no, five X. I know five X on there there might be otherwise I would be buying one yeah. We have shirts, mugs, tumblers on there and stuff like that. I said I found a tumbler down there. I really liked the Penn State tumbler. How much do you think that thing was?
Speaker 2:Penn State logo. How many ounces was it 16. Yeah, 24. Double it.
Speaker 1:Are you shitting me? I am not shitting you. Not one bit, not one. How about you just get a styrofoam?
Speaker 2:cup and a Sharpie and draw a knit and a line on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I said no, no, no, my wife's buying stuff, my kids buying stuff. My wife says you're not buying nothing. I said you out of your mind. Yeah, you're looking at the prices. These prices down here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, I'm not buying anything. Talk to me when we go to an outlet, or you know like you know, yeah, yeah, unclaimed freight, yeah.
Speaker 1:I said no, no, that's it. What else is happening? Anything good, Nothing In the trucking industry.
Speaker 2:it's just, in my opinion, just plotting along and hoping for better times. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean we cannot, I can't complain, no neither can I, I really like it.
Speaker 1:No, neither can I. I really can't. No, but there's there's guys on my account that are complaining. You know, when you want to go somewhere every day, the same place every day, and you bitch and complain about doing it and you finally get put on that run, don't bitch because you're not making no money. Yeah, you lobbied for it, you wanted it, that's what you got, you know. I mean, there's guys that that like, go into the same place that the highest paid runs we have. Great, I don't lobby for that anymore. Send me wherever you want, and I'm probably one of the highest earners on the account.
Speaker 2:See, to me, the state of the industry kind of is what it is because it's it's handing glove with the economy. However, if you're looking for something to bitch about it, there's always something to bitch about, and in my company not so much on my account, but in my company, our company, shall I say the safety, the onerous safety bullshit is getting to me, and I am a I'm a fan of safe, safe operation and I am a fan of tools that allow us to do our job in a more safe and effective manner. However, the way that a lot of the safety stuff is happening right now is becoming punitive against the driver. They're coming at the driver for every little thing.
Speaker 2:I'm going to give you a quick example One of my coworkers, a man with 24 years with the company, 2 million mile safe driver, recently had to do a review because he moved the truck five feet pulling out from under a trailer and did not put a seatbelt on.
Speaker 1:That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is because he had to jump right back out of the truck. That's why it didn't go on.
Speaker 1:We had the same issue here too, but they you know. I'm wondering if they adjust the sense of sensitivity on these cameras.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's so much a sensitivity, because they pick up everything, but it also has to do a lot. It has a lot to do with who the safety director is. There are some safety directors who are common sense guys who would look at that video and say, okay, this is bullshit. It populated for whatever reason. The truck jerked when the trailer dropped or what have you. It was enough to activate the camera. But I see what he did here. Let's just dismiss this and not address it, because it's bullshit. You have a safety director who wants to be hard nose, exactly, and we have one right now yeah.
Speaker 2:Seems like a fair enough guy, but he wants to be an old school guy. He's 20 seconds away from retirement and he really, really wants to make an impression or get his name out there or do whatever. I cannot agree with the overbearing philosophy that Trump's common sense, and that's what the problem is. There's a disconnect between common sense. You know what I mean. You have to review these occurrences before you drag a guy off the road and force him to explain himself.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and they don't do that. They just look at it and it's a cut and dry situation for them. That's not fair to the driver at all. It's not Real quick. Before we get into anything else, I was watching a video a week or two ago. A company owner was going in front of Congress and our Senate and he was explaining about what we were just talking about, all these, these, the technology on the trucks, what they're picking up and what they're reacting to. He specifically mentioned the automatic braking system, the radar, yeah, and he says you know this kicked on twice in his company. The ACC kicked on once in the snowstorm which made the tractor jack knife guy got in a wreck and he got hurt pretty bad. The other one kicked on so hard went through to his head, went through the windshield.
Speaker 2:I was going to say that when, when, when those brakes do activate, when the truck makes the decision and it's supposed to be, I want to say like 30% braking power.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure I'm not sure either, because I know when mine has gone on or gone off. You know. However you want to phrase it, it's not gentle. No, no, no, it's not gentle. I would be applying the brakes in a more gentle fashion in order to avoid a hard braking event. Right, the truck doesn't give an airborne shit. Right, so you're in wet, wet or icy conditions. You got a real problem there and it's out of your control, because if somebody else cut you off that's going to activate that system. It's through no fault of your own as a driver. Right?
Speaker 1:Right, so you know the guy was in a snowstorm and a lot of times in them, them cameras, the radar gets blocked, Yep. And apparently he went out there and cleaned it off because he didn't want to get nailed for not having it cleaned. And he cleaned it off, went back out on the road and that's what happened. Jack knifed the tractor.
Speaker 2:Also, if you, if you have a scenario where you're on a highway and you have a car in front of you that's getting off the highway, they move over to the right hand side to take the exit, even though they're completely out of your lane. The far right sensor on those bumpers will pick it up.
Speaker 3:It picks it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So you're traveling at highway speed, securing the knowledge that that person getting off on on the ramp is doing 30 miles an hour. But they're out of your lane, they're out of out of your way. You're barreling forward, doing highway speed. All of a sudden that sensor catches that for some fuck reason and throws the brakes on yeah, yeah and everybody's scared shitless at that point and it happens a lot too.
Speaker 1:Yes, it does. You just be driving down the road and it's in that off ramp and there's times my tractor picks it up. I don't know how many times that happens to me.
Speaker 2:And they are indeed out of the way that it happens to me and they don't call me in for a review because the camera says that car was out of his way, he was acting safely, but that is it's. It's a sensor. They're imperfect.
Speaker 1:And they have a mind of their own. Exactly, and that's it.
Speaker 2:Too much. We're not really drivers now, Right, you know we're, we're. We're steering wheel holders.
Speaker 1:And you know what I want to avoid that cause.
Speaker 2:I hate that cliche expression, but there's no better expression for it.
Speaker 1:Right there you know that's what we are. We go from point A to point B and that's it, man. You know, and a lot of us are on the same roads day in and day out. There's no, really not much of a change.
Speaker 2:That's why I set the cruise control on my truck and I practice doing my robot moves the dance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Cause you know that's what's coming. And how does the camera react to that?
Speaker 2:It loves the safety dance Cause the 80s were the finest decade to pop and lock.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. We have a guy constantly hanging that thing to finger. You got to call on it once and he says you know, could you please stop hanging it with your finger?
Speaker 2:My answer to that the the, the one safety director that we used to have. He's no longer with us. He's not dead, they just moved them, but he. He called me up and he said you know we were noticing you putting the finger up.
Speaker 3:He's like.
Speaker 2:Can you please cut her a frame from doing that? And my answer was apps of fucking Lutli. Nine, that's nuts.
Speaker 1:Oh God, can we talk about these snowstorms, that fricking snowstorm out in California? Do you see any of that?
Speaker 2:I've seen, uh, I, the coolest thing I saw. I don't know what the hell town it was, I guess this. This has happened near to Sierra, sierra, mountains, donner pass. Yeah, he, they, they had. It's a truck but it has tracks and it has a giant snowblower up front with the augers. Yeah, yeah, coolest thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, so actually, when you see that it's affiliated with airports that are in very snowy areas, right, but this one, I guess maybe they took it for highway use from the airport because they have a real situation out there 10 foot of snow they're supposed to get.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here's what baffles me with that whole thing Climate change. You know they, they've been predicting this for over a week, over a week, but yet these morons still insist on going out there. Hopefully, them truckers went and chained up on the same fricking day. They knew it was coming and they still went out. I saw the video and it was just truck after truck after truck after mile after mile, just sitting on the side of the road.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe they don't have access to a local weather report, because you know, once you're away from a truck stop, you can't get. Oh wait, we all have phones. We all have phones.
Speaker 1:This has been going on for a week and it wasn't only a tractor trailer sitting on the side of those cars, cars.
Speaker 2:Congratulations. You got cutting up, cutting up lizard with your Kia Rio. What did you think was going to happen?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like you know what the freak are you thinking? You knew the shit was coming.
Speaker 3:Why, why?
Speaker 1:I don't get it. And then you have this poor, this poor girl in Louisville, Kentucky. Dry roads, dry conditions. We still don't know what happened exactly to cause this accident to happen. You didn't see the video. She somehow, she got off. She went over the side of the bridge and the tractor was dangling off of the trailer. It looked like it was just.
Speaker 2:It looked like the trailer was just dangling from the tandems, from the guardrail of the For anybody who's not familiar with the mechanics of the industry, what I'm about to say is not going to make any sense, but I'm just saying it exclusively to make rich chuckle. That is the next advertisement for Fontaine. Fifth Wheels yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where's this at? Yeah?
Speaker 2:Now did the, the, the, the. It was a female driver. You said that she was she. All right, were they able to get her?
Speaker 1:out. They did get her out. What happened was the? Um, what the hell? The? Uh? The fire department come, uh, rest, ems came. They had. It looked like they had this huge crane to uh to hoist her out. Uh, I need to see if I can pull this up.
Speaker 2:She weighed 10 pounds more because she shit herself yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was uh quite uh stressful even to watch, even to watch it with.
Speaker 2:That reminds me of the video that, um, a couple of years back, I don't know if you remember uh, over the, what the hell was it? The, the, the bridge tunnel, the Harbor Bay bridge tunnel? Yeah, One of the one of them went over the railing and went in a drink.
Speaker 1:Oh that yeah, here it is, here Watch this shit. This is nuts.
Speaker 3:A terrifying crash leads to heart pounding rescue. Wow, nearly a hundred feet in the air above the Ohio river. A multi-car crash left this, a semi truck dangling off a Louisville Kentucky bridge. The driver's still trapped inside the cab. Firefighter Bruce Cardin jumped into action to rescue her. It took about 40 minutes to set up a rope system so the 29 year old could repel down to the cab, rescue divers waiting in the water below. Just in case, cardin reaches the driver and pulls her to safety, appearing to be uninjured. Officials say the semi was hoisted up. Nearly seven hours later the bridge is closed for a safety inspection and officials say they've not yet determined the cause of that crash.
Speaker 2:Wow, that was nuts, huh, yeah, interesting post script. That driver is now a bank teller and decided to never do that shit again.
Speaker 1:It could be oh, we got to hold on a minute, uh-oh, I got to clean my coffee up. Oh boy, oh man.
Speaker 2:Now will you be able to edit this out? Yeah, yeah, gotcha. That's why It'd be even funnier if you just left it in here in the screw I'm getting pretty good with this shit, the editing is the fascinating part to me. It would be tedious in my mind, but it's fascinating.
Speaker 1:Well, do that thing not one of these days See how it's done, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's not hard at first learning it.
Speaker 1:It's a pain in the ass. Well, I remember even back the first time I was on.
Speaker 2:you were making notes about certain times if I'd flub up and say the company name or something. Yeah, it was just a matter of being meticulous about you know, keeping those notes so that you knew when to check out the recording.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't do it anymore because we're pretty vigilant on what we're saying anymore. Right, all right, we're good. All right, we had a little blunder there, spilt my coffee all over my keyboard and my notebook. But yeah, you know, you have somebody like that that you know, just trucking along in nice weather conditions and that you know things. Anything could happen. Right, you know anything could happen. We have I don't even want to say that, but there are certain guys out there. They're making big bucks and they're spending, spending, spending, spending. Not putting nothing away for a rainy day and our jobs could be gone just as quick as that girl's was, sure, you know. So I don't know, I've got to, got to be aware of what you're doing and what's going on out there in the world. Speaking of the world.
Speaker 2:Let's do it. Moving on, beyond trucking. Moving on, what do we got? Well, talk about a lady named Fannie Willis. Yeah, now Fannie Willis is the Fulton County Georgia district attorney. She is in charge of the Trump election fraud case down there. Basically, they are trying to make the case that when, when Trump called up and said I'm looking for X amount of votes, that he was attempting to sway the results of the election and in so committing election fraud.
Speaker 2:Now Miss Fannie Willis, who was a Democrat, appointed a man named Nathan Wade as a special prosecutor. It later became apparent that her and Mr Wade were involved in a romantic relationship and this creates a situation where Trump's attorneys are like well, that is a massive conflict of interest. And the other thing that's been alleged, besides the salacious details of her affair with Mr Wade, are that they took several vacations that were funded by money that was obtained due to the investigation, the proceeds from the investigation. There's other things. There's allegations that she lied on a certain paperwork, but the biggest, the most egregious thing that they're going after her for is the whole conflict of interest thing, and the other part about it is that Trump's attorneys want her removed and, summarily, they want the case dismissed.
Speaker 1:I think the cases as far as the case getting dismissed, that's a long shot. I don't think that's going to happen and I'll explain that why in a minute. I watched the whole trial. I watched the whole, all of the closing arguments.
Speaker 2:She's testy under questioning, isn't she?
Speaker 1:Now, did you watch any of?
Speaker 2:this. I've heard some excerpts and that's what struck me is that she is resentful of being questioned by another attorney, right?
Speaker 1:I watched the whole thing, both him getting questioned, wade and Willis getting questioned and her best friend there getting questioned. I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 2:He came out better than she did, by the way, in my opinion he did he's more professional. He doesn't seem as outraged by the whole process.
Speaker 1:Right, well, you have to look at it too. Here's a lawyer here with not a ton of experience, wade, and that was a big question. Why appoint him, why appoint him, why appoint him? And when you watch this, when I watched it, everything was I don't recall, I don't remember, I can't confirm that. To me, that is just about as much as pleading the fifth, and when they did answer a question, it was a long pause in between answering the question and the question itself.
Speaker 2:To me. They answered it like lawyers, by the way they did.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, you know what I mean, right? Well, they're lawyers, exactly, and I just got every word out of Lewis's mouth and Wade's mouth. Why? Just about everything. And my biggest thing, my biggest question here is why, as a lawyer, even if you work for a county or the state, the federal government or yourself, and you're going on these lavish vacations and you're spending all kinds of money, why are you not keeping records of this?
Speaker 2:Meticulous records, right, because you're involved in one of the biggest and most high-profile investigations in the country right now. That might or might not affect the history of the country. That might or might not affect the future of a potential presidential candidate and former president. And let's start out there again celebrity, for lack of a better word, because that's what Trump is. He's all of those things Right.
Speaker 1:I mean, whether or not, if it was Trump or anyone else, keep a record. You have to keep a record. Where was? Why didn't the county controller question this? The county controller is the one who disperses money, accounts for money. Why wasn't this questioned by the county controller?
Speaker 2:This Fanny Willis person. Also. One of the things that happened and the reason I brought up the high-profile nature of this is, I think she started to put her own cult of personality into effect. She might have been swinging a bigger stick because of this around that office or around that county rather than otherwise she would have. So what I'm saying is the county controller might have questioned that if she was just in charge of some dipshit investigation, but because of what she's doing, having the high national profile and her name being in the headlines the county controller might have been like all right, well, I need to back off of this because she's the one with the stick right now.
Speaker 1:Now, see, I would think the opposite, because you know, if something comes down the pipe where, like what is happening now, going after this Fanny Willis something's coming down, would you want to say to her you better keep records of this, because if you screw up they're coming after you.
Speaker 2:Well, there's also. There's no proof that they didn't. You know what I mean. Somebody might have come to her and said, like one of the things that from the excerpts that I've heard, you watch it much more in depth than I did she's arrogant. Oh, very she's very. So let's say some earnest county controller who's trying to do the right thing goes up there and said hey, you know not for nothing here, but we need a better paperwork on your memory, right? Whatever, I'll get it to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean. It could have been something like that, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But where where's all this cash? She claims he paid or she paid weighed back in cash. Where is all?
Speaker 2:of this cash. Well, cash is convenient, isn't it, because it can disappear, right.
Speaker 1:Now district attorneys. They don't make a boatload of money, they don't? Uh, apparently it was like $17,000 over a course of a year that they spent on these vacations. Where are you coming up with $17,000?
Speaker 2:I would also like to know how much? Uh, because she claimed that that he paid a certain amount for it and, from what I understand and from what I read, he's made in excess of $650,000 on his case. Yes, what the hell are they paying special prosecutors?
Speaker 1:They're apparently they're making more than the DA themselves.
Speaker 2:Significantly more.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't know what her salary is, but it can't be over a hundred grand.
Speaker 2:It's a matter of public record. I wonder if we can Google it. Yeah, check that out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe I'll. Uh. Oh man, I'll tell you that burned my ass. I spilled my coffee.
Speaker 2:Did it do any damage to any electronics?
Speaker 1:No, everything's rocking here still. And then we get into the cell phone records.
Speaker 2:So the criminal prosecutor in Fulton County district attorney's office? Uh oh, I'm sorry, here we go. No-transcript. Uh, there's a spread here of anywhere from 60,000 to 140,000.
Speaker 1:That's. That's a significant gap.
Speaker 2:No shit, why, what, well, well, it's all really like zip recruiter, and indeed so they're going to give you a spread.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And they're probably doing outlier areas where we're smaller towns and stuff like that that are just big enough to have a DA Right. You know they can't afford to pay as significantly as you know. Maybe a bigger county seat might be able to.
Speaker 1:Well, we don't even have, we don't have DA's here other than county DA. We don't have. Right, right. So I'm kind of wondering if they're basing that off of experience. I don't know.
Speaker 2:That that might be a factor too. Or it could be how established you are as a as a lawyer before you take that job. Right, yeah, Right.
Speaker 1:Uh, this, this is all all a bunch of shit. I in my opinion, it needs to get thrown out. She needs to be removed. Her whole staff needs to be removed from office.
Speaker 2:And start the case. If you're going to still bring the case again, start it from square one. Well, this is why I have a way.
Speaker 1:This is when I said before I don't think I think that, um, when they if, if she gets dismissed from the case and the whole staff gets dismissed, I don't think that anyone else is going to really want to do it Right. I really don't and I don't think they're going to move forward if she gets dismissed.
Speaker 2:Well, there's also heavy conjecture that she was working basically on a timeline in an effect to what's the one looking for, not crippled, but at least severely impede his ability to run as president, or run for president. Rather. It basically to make his election process and his campaign more difficult, right? So in a time that it would take, if she was removed and replaced, for another prosecutor to come in there and start building a case.
Speaker 1:it'd be after the fact.
Speaker 2:It would be after the fact, exactly. And that's listen. Sorry folks, this is politically motivated, all of it to a certain extent. It's politically motivated.
Speaker 1:So I mean, you look at, we'll get back to Fannie here in a minute. Fannie, yeah, she's a fricking Fannie. All right, you know. But even when you look at, uh, the New York case up there where he got convicted of, uh, of what I don't know, yeah, and neither do a lot of legal experts, no, the $355 million, uh, that he got fined, um, all these banks claim that they got paid. They got paid on time, they were happy with the interest. So you know, there's no victim, there's no, nobody got hurt financially. Uh, there's. What kind of witnesses do you have with something like this.
Speaker 2:Well, even the, even the, uh, the, the bankers that testified were like it's a fairly common practice to say something's worth more than it really is, right, and, and some of the worth that they were coming back for his properties with was ridiculously low too. Like when, when, when? When the state was saying that that certain properties were worth like half of what he said they were worth. Okay, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but if he's high balling, the state's low balling Exactly. You know what I mean. Right, the, the. Another problem I had with that decision in New York was that they they now say, or they're trying to say, he needs to pay that money before he appeals bull Shit.
Speaker 1:Well, they started a gold fund me page for him. Well, yeah, what? What happens with that? I don't know what they have in that. It's definitely not going to be enough to uh cover that.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of gold sneakers he would have to sell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, you know, and I also, uh, hold on here.
Speaker 2:But one of the things, one of the uh, unintended consequences that came out of that, is that other business people in New York were like well, wait a minute, this could impact us too, because we do the same practice when we go for loans. We're saying that our, our stuff is is X amount of value, and it's kind of a smile, wink and nod thing. You know what I mean. Everybody kind of knows it happens, and this the person that that prosecuted us. No, no, no, no, no, no. You guys don't worry, we were only after one specific businessman. Yeah, well, that's that, that's, that's prejudice. Well, legality, right, you can't do that.
Speaker 1:No, no. This is why I say one of the reasons I say that they had done this Now, new York state is $166.5 billion in debt. Yep, they are in debt up to their eyeballs. So I'm kind of thinking well, we all know that this all came, came out because of simple fact they don't want Trump in office. But I think this could be a part of it too. You know, try to get themselves out of debt, because the money that he has to pay goes to the New York state treasury. Right, that's where that money's going. Um, so that's all. This could be a. This could be, you know, another reason for doing what they're doing. But, at the same token, how much revenue are they going to lose by by by making Trump sell off all his assets? They're not going to. Once you break these companies down, the, the, the, the amount of taxes that are being paid on these properties, these companies drastically declines, declines, and now, like you just said, you have other major companies leaving.
Speaker 2:Right, but why the hell would they want to deal with the potential that that can happen to?
Speaker 1:them Right, right. So you know it's, it's all a bunch of shit.
Speaker 2:But that number right there 78.62 billion dollars in debt. I could be off on this, I could. I could be misremembering this, but my I read and I wish I had I could cite the source, I apologize that if they taxed every millionaire in New York state at 100%, it still wouldn't cover that. So, like people don't realize, you know how much. 78 billion is a billion is a lot.
Speaker 1:Well, that was in, that was what in 2000.
Speaker 2:Oh Jesus, they've had the last 24 years to tack on, and that was in 200 billion now.
Speaker 1:It's it's right 166 billion.
Speaker 2:Oh my Christ, yeah, you're not going to get that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're not going to get that through taxation and fines. No, that's just just like the national debt 30,. What do we have?
Speaker 2:34 trillion Right, Never, never never no matter what you tax, and no matter how many fines you levy against somebody like Donald Trump, you, that's going to be a drop in the bucket, yeah. And it's not it's not going to cure your ills.
Speaker 1:Definitely not. No, no, but we get back to Fannie Lewis Willis.
Speaker 2:Willis sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And now there there was a lot of spec. Not I wouldn't say well, yeah, they said speculation, but I'm talking about the cell phone records here. Yeah, okay, they're the. The defense wants to have all that testimony thrown out because it was not looked at by a certified or credible technician.
Speaker 2:So that's what they mean when they say the witnesses are unreliable, because that's that's a quote that I got from one. One of her lawyers is like no, the witnesses are unreliable.
Speaker 1:How can you, how can you sit there and say that it's all right on paper? It's a text. They sent these texts out. Yeah, how could you, even if Joe Schmo went in there and read it? Well, this is what the text says.
Speaker 2:But that that's what's known as illegal technicality, right? And that's one of those things that you read about in the paper is that when, when a killer walks on illegal technicality, it's something that's stupid. You know, instead of handing off the the blood sample to a lab technician, they handed it to a deputy who carried it three feet. Well, now you, you broke the chain of evidence and this guy walks. Right, that's the way the law works, and there's so much minutiae involved, and that's why that's why you need a lawyer for just about everything, because they're the ones that examine that minutiae. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's so many gray areas. I love the law. I really. I love looking at it. It's fascinating, it really is. But this trial. What do you get out of this? What do you think is going to happen here?
Speaker 2:I, I what I think should happen. No, I want to know what you think is going to happen, what I think is going to happen is that they'll probably give her some sort of a censure, but she's going to remain on the case.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:I, I, maybe they might. They might separate her from Nathan Wade and have him not be involved, but I don't think that she's going to lose her position. I don't think she's going to lose control of the case. Interesting Because, in my opinion, at the late juncture where they're at in the investigation, they're going to err on her side, and I think it's. I don't. I don't want that to happen. I think it's wrong that it would happen, because if the roles were reversed and it was a Republican who had committed these acts, they would. They would crucify them, right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:For myriad reasons right now, not just the fact that she's a Democrat, but also the fact of the investigation she's involved in and the outcome that, frankly, her party wants from this investigation. They want Donald Trump prosecuted and convicted. I think they're going to slap her on the wrists and, you know it might. It might act as a strike against her, but I don't think they're going to pull her from it.
Speaker 1:Interesting. What do you think should happen?
Speaker 2:I think that she should be pulled. I do not think the case should be dismissed. I think that she should be pulled. I think that they should have to, as a district attorney's office, make a determination whether it's feasible for them to move forward and start the whole shebang from the ground up again.
Speaker 1:You don't. You don't think Trump's case should be dismissed?
Speaker 2:No, I think it would look terrible if it did. That's what I listen. The facts are going to speak for themselves on this. All right, they're going to. They're going to speak to to what he meant when he said those words and you know, was he talking in a jocular fashion or was he actually telling somebody to go out there and find and manufacture votes? And that's going to come down to a common sense decision. It's going to come down to, to, to, to. You know the presentation of the evidence, which we haven't seen in its totality yet. However, it would look terrible to a voting public. Okay.
Speaker 1:I see your point.
Speaker 2:To, to, to just drop this and make it go away, because, as much as we think what Fannie Willis is doing is bullshit, as Republicans, as Democrats which make up a good swath of the voting public for them to see this swept under the rug or anything they would interpret as sweeping it under the rug, they're going to cry foul too. If you're working, if we're going to have any kind of faith in our system, the voting system, it has to go both ways and it sucks. But yeah, I think that this, this, this investigation, has to move forward. I don't think Fannie Willis is the person to do it, and I also think that Nathan Wade needs to take a walk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, I think he definitely needs to to, to be kicked off the case, that's for sure. Yep, without a doubt. Without a doubt, see, I think the opposite, I think I, I, I think the judge is going to go against her. What I don't understand here? So I should have asked this question to my father-in-law why is it a judge, one person making this decision? Why isn't there a jury?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know if it's a legal thing, because this isn't a criminal matter. Yeah yeah, this is this is this is this is a civil.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, it's awesome.
Speaker 2:It's a matter of legal procedure too, right, right?
Speaker 1:Okay, that's different. Now, this judge, he, he, he worked for her, for for Willis, he worked for her and he, he donated I don't know the amount, but he did donate some money for her to her when she was running for judge. No conflict of interest there, huh, yeah, yeah. But you know, as I was watching the, the trial, the case there, he seemed like he was very fair. He was not pulling no punches with her. The one one part there that I didn't like was when she just kind of no, no, no, no judge, no judge. Where do you get off talking to a judge like that?
Speaker 1:Most judges would slap her down right there. She should have been up held in contempt Absolutely Right there, then and there, or at least the threat. Yeah, who the hell do you think you are talking to me like that you?
Speaker 2:know as a judge. The gavel should have been struck several times in a threat of a contempt of court.
Speaker 1:Should have been yeah, put out there it, it should have, it should have. But I think the judge is going to roll against her. I really do.
Speaker 2:We'll find out in a couple of weeks, huh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think he's going to roll roll against her. I got some interesting facts here that I think you'll like. On this month in March, 50 years ago, 16 Grammy Awards Rebecca Flack best record, king killing me softly and Stevie Wonder best album Intervisions. And Barbara Barbara Streisand's first number one hit the way we were. Well, I could argue with one of those.
Speaker 2:What one Never been at Streisand fan, roberta Flack.
Speaker 3:He can't go wrong with that, can we be softly strong, Stevie Wonder strong you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I knew you were going to say something like that. Yeah, nice work, yental. This here. I find that is pretty cool because I, you know, I'm thinking about doing my true crime podcast again. I don't know yet, but we'll see. In 1976, the second wife to John Gracie, john Wayne Gracie divorced him after three years of marriage. What's he do? Look under the porch. I think there was a smell.
Speaker 2:Probably thought it was him, not sure you know he would think that John Wayne, john Wayne, gracie, just dressed as a clown would be enough to make a chick walk. Well, listen, I'm thinking about buying a clown outfit for my you know, my future romantic partners, to see if I could pass the muster. You know you'll love me, or at least want me, if I could wear a clown outfit. And you're sticking around.
Speaker 1:I thought that. I thought you know I saw that with, especially with the Stevie Wonder. They might get a kick out of that Talent to do it.
Speaker 2:Bit of an asshole with a talent to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, have you been out playing at all or no.
Speaker 2:No, actually I just I just made contact with my musical partner musical partner, the partner Because we have a, we have an idea for well, not an idea. There's somebody asked us to play. Yeah, and it's somebody I've known since I was five years old and it's really hard to say no. And I called Jim. I'm like you know, I haven't heard from you in a while. I don't know what you're up to. I know that you're into running marathons now and and, and I said there's this thing going on and we, we, we, they're asking us to play. His response after I did this long rambling prelude about you know all the reasons why I went okay, it's like, well, shit, if I knew it was that easy, I would have tested it two weeks ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wouldn't have had to try so hard. Man Jesus, you know God oh man, I believe I overthink things.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh God, how are we doing with Fanny? She's a fanny.
Speaker 2:I think I basically what it comes down to, having thrown our opinions out there is we'll see in two weeks. Yeah, you know what I mean Like and after, after the two weeks, we'll talk about how much the decision either sucked or ruled.
Speaker 1:I think that the text messages are the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:If they get those tossed. That's some bullshit right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's that's going to be, that's going to be one of the major decisive things for the judge. I think so. Yeah, I think, nikki Haley, what is she thinking? And obviously she's not thinking that.
Speaker 2:That much A few podcasts ago, you brought her up and you said something that turned out to be. It captured my attention and I've noticed it ever since. Nikki Haley has no platform, but I'm not Trump, Right. That's all she's running on and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:That's not enough to carry it does not enough to carry it to the presidency, and that's been evidenced by the fact that she has had the dog shit beat out of her in just about every primary. Yep, yeah. Now, my take on this and what I've gleaned from it and I agree is that it's remarkably politically selfish of her to continue on. If you look at the way the Democrats do things, they drop out, no matter how contentious a race is. Once the other person drops out, they get into lockstep and move into support the common cause of the party. Republicans don't do that, and Nikki Haley, I think, is doing damage to the Republican party and to what's the word I'm looking for party cohesiveness by staying out there and being this, this talking shit, basically, and not policy.
Speaker 1:That's what I said the last time we talked about her. Uh, I don't know what is her motive, though, because it's clear she has no path. She has no path to winning this primary, none whatsoever. Well, what is now? She's funded also by the Democrats.
Speaker 2:Sure why, what? The last person they won back in is Trump Right, and they see him as they see him as the best possible chance for the Republicans to win. Okay, it's. It's kind of like a twisted version of the enemy of my enemy as my friend, because right now I don't think Biden talks as much shit about Trump as Nikki Haley does.
Speaker 1:I don't think he can.
Speaker 2:It's, it's, it's, it's. Yeah, we'll get to that in a second, but that that's her bread and butter. That's her waking up with Trump 24 seven in her brain, Right, Right, you know she's eating. She's eating a bowl full of Trump Eos, washing it down with some orange Trump and and, and getting in the shower and using Trump body wash. It's everything, Right.
Speaker 1:And I think also she's sticking around because I think she she's hoping that all these indictments, all these lawsuits, he gets convicted, he gets put away, or it's too much of a financial burden for him and he just steps away.
Speaker 2:But that, but. But that's not how you choose a leader.
Speaker 1:And she has, she has. That's what she's hoping for.
Speaker 2:She has demonstrated zero in the way of policy.
Speaker 1:She has said I have not. I bet you in the last month have not heard her talk once about policy. Exactly Not once. The only time she has talked about policy was on the debate stage.
Speaker 2:Her not liking Trump. Her not liking Trump, in my opinion, doesn't make her a bad candidate. Her inability to focus on anything but her opponent makes her a bad candidate. What?
Speaker 1:makes her a bad candidate is knowing that the people don't want her. The majority don't want her, and she keeps moving forward with it. That's what makes her a bad candidate.
Speaker 2:She's like a stalker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, she's a stalker. She's stalking the president. She's a stalker. Yeah, I don't get why. Why she's doing what she's doing, other than what I've I've just mentioned. She's it's clear, she has no path.
Speaker 2:I think that she would be much better served, because when she, when she talked about things, I kind of liked her, I you know.
Speaker 1:I did too.
Speaker 2:I also did I also liked the job that she did when she was working for Trump. Right, I thought she did an excellent job. Sure, so here's the deal. How about you bow out gracefully because all the numbers are saying that you're screwed? Get you know why don't you come on in for the big win? You know what I mean Like and, and you now have should Trump win or should Trump lose. You now have four years to establish yourself as a face, a candidate, and most importantly, a person with a position.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because, at, at, at, at, at. If Trump were to be elected, he's a lame duck candidate. It's only going to take four years. You're a younger woman Get you, get your stuff together. I would love to see a female president, but I would love to see somebody who's able to actually talk about policy plans and getting shit done Right Instead of her personal invective and hatred for a man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think she hates him. I think she's very vindictive, though I think it makes good theater.
Speaker 2:That's part of it and I also think that gets her some publicity. And here, here's my, here's my, the creeping misogyny of the past five months of my life, coming out of vindictive woman. The hell you say, oh yeah. The hell you say that never happens, yeah.
Speaker 1:Stop it. Oh man, you know it's, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know, and a lot of people say she's a warmonger. Yeah, that I don't agree with. I think she knows what, what needs to be done in that area, and she knows how to do it. I think she's been there as far as working under Trump. She knows what's got to be done, right? I think she's definitely not a warmonger. Look at her husband. Her husband's serving in. I believe it's Iraq or no Africa right now.
Speaker 2:He's blessing the rains down in Africa. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something to that effect. But yeah, she's, I don't know.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of potential there.
Speaker 1:But I also think too, for one. I think the reason that she's sticking in there, I think the reason why the Democrats are funding her, was the reasons I said before, with Trump, with the hopes of Trump possibly dropping out with all these allegations, these lawsuits, these indictments, and she would be an easier person to work with, she would be easier to control. It's not going to be somebody who's just going to be coming back as a president and just saying, no, I'm not doing that, no, I'm not doing this, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:And let's be honest, trump whether you love him or hate him gets in there and throws elbows.
Speaker 1:He's going to throw elbows.
Speaker 2:And he's coming, and they don't want that. And if he does come, if he does win this election, he's coming back with a vengeance.
Speaker 3:Oh, and he's going to say no matter how, tight it is.
Speaker 2:he could win that election by two votes and he'll call it a mandate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because that's just who he is. Yeah, I tell you what if he wins which I think he's going to he's not dropping out. No, there's just no way. But that's their hopes. But once he gets in there, there's people going down and I'll tell you who's going down first. He's going right after her and he's going to nail her to the wall. This is Pelosi she's going down with. He's going to take her down with a vengeance man. He's going to go after her with a full force.
Speaker 2:Really really quick. Another political thing that I don't want to delve too deep into it. You see, mitch McConnell, finally, is going to be calling it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's kind of about time, it's kind of a Biden situation. You can see his decline over the past year especially drastically went down when he froze in front of the microphones.
Speaker 2:it looks like he was having a small stroke, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's time you know he's been in office for how long 40 years.
Speaker 2:Christ was a small child.
Speaker 1:He was, yeah, quite a long time.
Speaker 2:But what a bad image for a party that's already considered to be stodgy and out of touch. Yeah, To have somebody up there who looks like he's having he's engaged in a thorough pants shitting.
Speaker 1:It's time. It's time, though. Yeah, he's what? 81 or close to it and he's 84. I don't know he's in there, he's up there.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a nice segue into kind of our next topic, if you don't mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's go for it. The Biden document handling report from the special prosecutor Robert Herr was released and we did not get an opportunity to talk about this. The reason that I find this fascinating is that our beloved president is going to avoid prosecution or indictment. But the only reason he's going to avoid prosecution and indictment is because of his limited mental capacity. And now it's in black and white on paper. There's no more speculation. The guy is a put in head.
Speaker 1:He's a put in head, that's for sure. We have to face facts. He's a president of the United States I hate saying putting his name in front of that, behind it, whatever and they're not going to convict the president, especially a Democrat. If, if it was Trump, obviously, obviously he would go down, he'd go, he'd go down hard and it wouldn't have taken as long, right, um uh, special counsel Robert Herr concludes that no criminal charges against Biden are warranted, although there is evidence that Biden knowingly took classified documents and disclosed them when he was a private citizen. That strike one Yep, strike one private citizen, that's. That's a key right there, and it highlights his confusion and significantly limited recall of events related to the documents. I think you and I looked at the same article, probably.
Speaker 1:Those are my notes too. Yeah, but strike two. Biden tells a ghost writer that he has classified documents. Somebody's doing a biography on him. He tells a writer that he has classified documents.
Speaker 2:You know what I got in the garage? Huh, why the hell would you do that for one? Because I'll tell you why. You know. Number one, god. I have said this before. If you look back through our podcasts, I have mentioned this quote. It's one of my favorite quotes of all time. It's from the great Ron Bennington. He said Joe Biden's every guy who ever punched you in the face yeah, and the reason I say that is Joe Biden likes to brag on himself. He does. He enjoys the spotlight, he enjoys the power. It's. It's like he was caught on a live mic at a live event with Obama.
Speaker 3:It is a big fucking deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. He enjoys that and you know that is. That is an example, not of his, his, his lack of cognitive ability. That is an example of him bolstering his own ego and saying, oh, you know what I got? Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what I can show you, right, right, you know what I mean. I was like hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, little boy, come here, I got candy. Yeah, you know, it's just. It's just kind of the same situation. Well, that happened on the other side of his garage, right Right, when he sniffed and he goes there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like I'm in homework.
Speaker 1:I don't like his confusion. Limited recall this year. I think it's a key statement. It's if you're confused and you can't recall things, I don't understand how you're still in office. I don't.
Speaker 2:Because I can. I actually had a theory about that and you could tell me if you think this makes sense. The president is not a standalone entity. The president is bolstered and run by his staff and advisors. Right, I think it's a hard job. Don't get me wrong. I'm not stating that it isn't, but it highlights the thing of how many decisions are made by him and how many people are just ripping stuff off and putting it in front of them and saying, hey, sign this, would you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, that's just it, you know, just sign here, right, you don't need to read it. I think even if he does read something now, he's not going to understand what the fuck he's reading.
Speaker 2:Some frightening examples of his lack of recall include and these, by the way, these are in the report. Okay, so this again. This is black and white. This isn't conjecture anymore. He can't recall when he was vice president.
Speaker 1:No, no, he cannot, he can't. He couldn't recall the day when his son passed away.
Speaker 2:I was just going to bring that up. The second thing, and this is in there and there's a quote he cannot remember, even within several years, when his son, bow, died, and he brings him up constantly. And the other thing he can't remember are the circumstances under which bow died because he's been caught on camera several times stating that bow died in Afghanistan. I believe Right or in war?
Speaker 1:It was in Afghanistan. It was yeah. Well, he died of cancer Cancer, yes.
Speaker 2:And he alluded that it happened in combat.
Speaker 1:We all know that didn't happen. Exactly that's why he did not run the first time against Trump in 16, because that's when his kid died. Right, correct, right. I believe so. I think so. He had too much on his plate with that.
Speaker 2:The other thing that he can't bring and that he can't seem to remember all that much and this is a policy issue, but the Afghanistan withdrawal to beat Right, Don't listen. When we pulled out of Afghanistan, it was a shit show, Okay. And he can't remember his reasons for doing that, Right, Right. And now at the time he said that all of my generals told me to do this. Well, that turns out that wasn't the case. But he can't remember the circumstances behind that right now. And specifically, let's see. The report states that his memory was hazy and he was also kind of confused about his relationship with one of his main generals. Again in Kurt Eichenberry, Eichenberry and Kurt Eichenberry he described his relationship as confrontational and that they had differences of opinion on the subject. But if you go into the record, it shows that Eichenberry was a staunch Biden ally stood by him.
Speaker 1:So I do remember reading that yeah.
Speaker 2:So he can't remember who was his friend, who was his enemy, why he'd made certain decisions. And again that goes back to what I was saying about okay, we're going to write a policy, we're going to put his name on the bottom of it he doesn't know what the hell he's signing and we're going to move forward with it because the generals didn't want anything to do with that kind of withdrawal.
Speaker 1:No, they all try talking them out of it.
Speaker 2:Exactly. That comes out later, though.
Speaker 1:And nobody gives a airborne shit. Right, yeah, right. They all try talking him out of that situation, that withdrawal, and he said no, obviously. But when they say highlights is confusion, limited recall this year. I think it's a key statement To me. It's kind of an admittance to his mental state. It's not good. It's an admittance to the way he is Now. We just went for his yearly physical. They did not do a cognitive ability test on him.
Speaker 2:That's because his doctors. If anyone bots, huh yeah, he's the same guy up in some truck stop that you slip a hundred bucks to get a two year card, right, right.
Speaker 1:Now Trump. He's under criminal indictment for knowingly hanging on to classified documents in his marulago estate in Florida and resisting to turn them over. But yeah, biden did the same thing and he's facing no charges. The only thing I can get out of this is that Trump didn't want to turn him over. That's why he's getting charged.
Speaker 2:He was being contrary.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Another really, really quick thing here. If you dive deeper into the context and content of the report that Robert Hurr put out, there's a strong allusion to the idea that the only thing that saved Biden from prosecution is his hazy memory and his cognitive disabilities, because at that point that could have become a defense structure for him. His lawyers could have said, well, yeah, the old guy forgets, and that could have been a very reasonable defense that they would have thrown out there, never minding the fact that the man is the president of the United States. Now Right, that that's just well, something they could have used as a legal tool. Rather, and it's reminiscent in my mind of Reagan, when he was being questioned for the Iran-Contra thing, the man was already deep in not deep, but he was already suffering from dementia at that point and the majority of his answers were I just don't recall. I just don't know.
Speaker 1:That's the typical Democrat response Yep.
Speaker 2:And it pains me to say that Reagan used that. But by the same token he was also calling his wife Mommy, and not kind of knowing where he was on a daily basis, right, right, and there was a. There was a medical reason for it and I don't buy that. There was a medical reason for Biden's stuff in those documents in his, his, his garage. That was what, how many years ago?
Speaker 1:That's my point too, when he was fine, then you know, when he took them documents, you know you can't say, well, he didn't remember Bullshit, he was younger, he was more aware, of course, who you know. I'm just dumbfounded by the whole thing. To be honest with you, I really am Biden. I say it over and over again and it's like beating a dead horse. But he needs to go, and what's going to happen if he wins, you know, are we going to stay on the same path that we're on in particularly the border?
Speaker 2:The only thing I could see happening that would that would deviate us from that course is people are so outraged that he wins in November that when the midterm elections come around it's a Republican sweep to basically take all the teeth out of him. Well, this agent, how many does he have left? But basically take any any bite out of his presidency for the second half of his term and hopefully right some of the wrongs through legislation. You know that that's kind of the only hope if he wins again, because I don't see the economy bouncing back with any kind of vigor or strength.
Speaker 1:The economy is going to take years to fix at this point. It's going to take years.
Speaker 2:Do you remember the immediate effect when Trump, when it was announced that Trump had won? Oh, it was ridiculous. And that's what business perspective people started talking bullishly right about American business. Yeah, immediately before he was even sworn in. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And, and you know, no matter who wins, whether it's Biden or Trump, you're going to get the same reaction. You're going to get the same reaction All hell is going to break loose because this country is so freaking divided. Remember that, that video, that that woman in Manhattan, when Trump won, she was down on her knees screaming oh yeah, that's the reaction you're going to get, no matter who wins. That was a woman. Hmm, yeah, I questioned that myself. All right, yeah, I questioned that myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're going to have that on both sides. But here's the thing, though Currently, republicans are nowhere near as reactionary as Democrats when it comes to that. So you'll have Democrats that are, like, literally in the streets, breaking windows and screaming in articulately at the sky with pain and rage, and you have a Republican in his, in his, in his living room saying, ah shit, yeah, you know what I mean. Like that's the difference, where you don't see a bunch of Republicans getting together and blocking a highway. We have places to go.
Speaker 1:Right, my, my, my biggest concern with the fight and winning again is to I think with everybody is I rattled this off before is crime, border education. That's my biggest concern.
Speaker 2:And all the stats are through the roof on crime. Oh, look at this right here, it's handing glove with the border issue, by the way.
Speaker 1:Stories are asking for public help after extremely concerning video from a gas station emerges. This guy tried to kidnap this woman here and she got away, but they can't find the guy you know, and there's only 26 cameras. Look at this this young girl down in Georgia that just got killed. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the the uh man. This guy was illegal. He was convicted once before, a couple of times before, for uh uh, molesting young girls. Why was he out? Why is he here? You know?
Speaker 2:I wonder if it has anything to do with a, an immigration policy that has no backbone.
Speaker 1:The immigration. It's beyond, it's out of control. It's just out of control. We had Biden and Trump down at the border. Oh yeah, that was. That's the next topic. And what's going on here. What is this?
Speaker 3:Form 1040 and limited credit and see how a TurboTax is done.
Speaker 1:This is what baffles me with this thing here.
Speaker 3:That's me.
Speaker 1:Is uh, they send Biden down to Brownsville, down to Brownsville, texas. That place is is so over overran by the drug cartel. Why would they send them there? I don't know. You know what I mean. The security that you would have to have. I hope they had it anyway, it would be through the roof.
Speaker 2:I think that Trump made a much better decision by going to Eagle Pass. Eagle Pass has been very, very much in the news as kind of like one of the hot centers.
Speaker 1:Not that Brownsville isn't going to be wrong, but In my opinion, they're both late going down there because they stopped going through that part portion of the border. They started going through California now and they just caught the Chinese illegal Chinese coming through Canada, up in Maine, coming across the border up there. Yeah, a bunch of them. So it's, they're coming from all over, they're getting in any which way that they can. So here's listen to this. This is that video of that, that woman.
Speaker 1:All right who I got attempted kidnapped here. Look at it, it's nuts. Wow, that's aggressive, very, very.
Speaker 2:So what saved her? Who white knights?
Speaker 1:this shit. I think she just escaped out. I think she just got out. This is my first time watching this, so I don't know exactly what happens here.
Speaker 2:What we're watching here is video from a gas station. Lady was walking across the gas thing. A guy jumps out of an SUV, grabs her and tries to stuff her in the car. Yeah, I didn't see her get away from that?
Speaker 1:I didn't either. Uh, when I was watching the news, uh this morning, uh, they said that she got away.
Speaker 2:Maybe at a different location she was able to do some possibly. And this is the problem with Tinder folks Sometimes that shit goes wrong and wait yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we just scrolled through it. They uh. Yeah, she must have got away at a different location, unless I'm mistaken. But I don't think I am. I I'm pretty sure she got away. I don't see anything. There's nothing else written on it.
Speaker 2:What would there be followup?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, really yeah. The the, the crime is is, is nuts, that's for sure. And I watched a video the other day this gentleman in uh Manhattan, he was uh standing in the middle of fifth Avenue at nine o'clock in the morning. There's no traffic, none, there's none. That's, that's how bad it is there, that's how many people are leaving that place, but it's a turn into a ghost town. Yeah Well, was it escaped from New York? That's me.
Speaker 2:Listen, it's almost that bad. Now, what I'm thinking of specifically is that? What the hell is that Will Smith movie? God, not World of Worlds. No, no, no, and it's a Will Smith movie about the end of the world. And he, he stays in New.
Speaker 1:York. Oh, I don't know, I don't watch some kinds of movies, but yeah, I am legend, I am legend.
Speaker 2:And I am. Legend is basically that you know, any time you see a shot of New York City where there's no traffic whatsoever, it's one of the creepiest things in the world, especially if you're familiar with New York. That's why. That's why it's so effective. Yeah, of a visual, oh, but an interesting thing. None, that kind of going back to where we're talking about them visiting the border, biden and Trump. So Biden goes down to the border Very public, very announced, and my favorite reaction to that was from the border control union. The border control workers union put out a tweet, or X or Christ, they're calling it this week. Yeah, right, that said. Hey, biden, keep our name out of your mouth. Those are some tough words, especially putting on a worldwide platform, right, and essentially they went on to say that he's only going down there to save himself politically. That's that's what it is. It's all political stuff. It's painfully obvious. But where it's coming from is extremely important, and Biden's White House has treated border control ice agents very badly. It's treated them like the enemy.
Speaker 2:morale is in an all time low. The catch and release philosophy has a bunch of them thing. And why the hell are we doing this at all? Right, Because we're risking our lives, because these people aren't exactly excited to be detained, you know, and they're dealing with some really bad customers down there too.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. And the drug cartels the main, absolutely Main, main issue down there. You talk about ice. Now Mayor Adams up a New York City mayor. He wanted to change the policy as to where ice can come in and apprehend the illegals If they commit more than one or two crimes in the city. And the Democrats just crumbled the paperwork up and threw it under the desk. Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, if you have, if you have something like that being requested by Mayor Adams, you know something's wrong. You know something's up. You know that New York City has got a cancer right now. Adams is as liberal as they come, and he was. He was just fine with the idea of it being a sanctuary city and everything else like that. Now, not so much. You want to know why. How much money is New York City losing in tourism? Right, because people don't want to go in there and have to share their $600 a night hotel room with a family who has a pet chicken. Right, you know what I mean? It doesn't respect the area around them. How many people want to go into New York City and watch them homeless dude power shitting on the sidewalk?
Speaker 1:Right, and you know, what's going to be telling after the election is what, as you mentioned, tourism. It's going to be the tourism. What's going to happen with that once we get to the holiday season? Mm, hmm, that's going to be telling right there, no matter who wins the presidency there, because Christmas time is the biggest, it's the most popular place to go in America, in my opinion, for Christmas the Christmas show, the Christmas tree, the ego ice gate in there. You know it's a hopping place. That's where people want to go Especially. You know us here living here, we're close and it's easy to get to. That's going to be telling how much revenue they make this coming holiday season and I think, if it's a drastic decline, he's going to push for that again. I think so. I think he's going to push for it again.
Speaker 2:Another reason why New York City is so popular when it comes to Christmas is because, basically, our nationwide view of Christmas is very New York centric, because it was it's Madison Avenue. Madison Avenue pushed a big narrative in conjunction with Coca-Cola, influencing everything, right down to what color Santa is affiliated with Coca-Cola red and white and this has been going on since the 1930s and 40s. And Bing Crosby and Burl Lives all of them, most of the songs that they recorded were written in the Flatiron building In New York City. So this is everything. Everything Christmas related is very New York centric. You have your examples. You know what are you going to do? Bust out Nelly Kaneki Manga. That's nobody singing that shit around the tree Lives.
Speaker 1:Just listen to Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra before you come in. I like listening to that shit.
Speaker 2:Good music, Bing knew how to beat his kids too, I'll tell you Right, he was a son of a bitch Mild voice, but holy God Saka.
Speaker 1:Orange is just going after his kids. What's going on there? Never heard anything like that.
Speaker 2:The strong you ever watch Family Guy. Yeah, family Guy did a segment on it. Oh yeah, it had Bing Crosby. One of the legends of him is that he beat his kids with a sack of oranges. Really it would hurt like a son of a bitch, but it wouldn't leave any marks. And then Family Guy comes in. You know Peter's having problems with his marriage, yeah. And Bing Crosby shows up with his pipe and goes you got to beat it with a sack of sweet, sweet Valencia oranges His hysterical.
Speaker 1:I didn't see that one.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's worth looking up, just look up Bing Crosby on Family Guy, you'll be happy you did trust me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't see that one. You talked about color in this and that I was scrolling through before looking for some facts here on our history and our forefathers. I pulled that up, okay.
Speaker 2:Jorge Washington.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know why they are so dark. Yeah, I do. When I saw that, I was like what the hell is this? What's your opinion here?
Speaker 2:It's not an opinion. Actually, this came out last week. I'm Google, who is at the forefront of developing AI technology. I do not know the exact term for it. I'm sure you could Google it, ironically enough, and find out what it's called. But Google is an extremely woke company. Okay, the creators of this AI software developed it in such a fashion that it will not show people, even in a historical context, as being white Right. So, for example, if you were to look up on their AI generator a picture of a 16th century British king, that 16th century British king would be in the correct dress. Contextually, that would be in a palace or whatever, but they would be black. To me is an example of garbage in, garbage out. And if you can't even be historically accurate, you're way too sensitive. Sorry folks, the kings of England have been white for a while now. I just pulled it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you got Okay?
Speaker 2:They're all white. They're all white because you're doing a Google search that is not the Google AI search. How do I do that? I do not know, and this was a major story last week, as a matter of fact, because I think it was an unveiling of Google's AI and it failed miserably. Another topic that failed when people were allowed to query it about, say, you wanted a picture of a white family in a stu de baker in the 1950s. The AI generator would not allow that, and I know the a message stating that for you to look up a white family is racist. I'm paraphrasing there, of course, but it says my software will not allow me to generate an image that is considered to be racially biased. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it had no problem generating images of a black or Latino or an Asian family. Right, white is bad. Basically, is what AI says. For Google.
Speaker 1:Well, I pulled that up earlier and it came up with our forefathers. They were all very dark skinned. I just pulled it up again and that did not happen. Yeah, so I don't know what's going on there.
Speaker 2:New AI powered search.
Speaker 1:Let's. Yeah, you know what I think that was something I pulled up, it was something on.
Speaker 2:I believe that AI, the AI technology that Google's working on, is called Gemini. It is, yeah, but the thing of the matter is and this is this is easily proven, easily Googled. It was a headline last week Listen, when you're so super woke that you won't even allow historical accuracy in your AI generator, there's a problem. You've gone way, way, way too far. This is not an example of being inclusive or fair. This is a matter of accuracy.
Speaker 1:Accuracy and our American history.
Speaker 2:Yes, actually world history, because it won't allow anybody. Like I said, british monarchs are being displayed as somebody who is black, and that's just not the case.
Speaker 1:Why would you want to change that? Why would you want to try to interpret that anyway?
Speaker 2:I think that there's a culture of apologetic nature where any, but how far does it go, though? Apparently far enough to the fact that you're rewriting history.
Speaker 1:But you can't rewrite history, that's what it is when you look in a book and you read a book. That's what it is.
Speaker 2:Henry VIII was a fat white guy. That's it. It is what it is. Yeah, but for some reason, even recalling that image and displaying that image by some, some super woke people, some super left people anything white is an abomination and a trigger for that. I don't get it. I'm one for historical accuracy, right, you know. I'm not going to watch Wakanda forever and expect the entire cast to be Irish. I think we all want historical accuracy?
Speaker 1:Probably not everybody, not everybody, but I think a majority of the people do. Right, you know, even when you talk to black people or you watch these, some of these interviews, and even the black people say, well, that's not George Washington, why is his skin so dark? Why are they changing this? You know, I think it is a culture, not a culture from. How do I want to put this?
Speaker 2:I think black people keep it more real. They do.
Speaker 3:They do.
Speaker 2:I think technology was. Let's be honest here, this technology was programmed for the most part by guilty whites. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, there you have it Right, but what do you have to feel guilty about when you look at our history? The black people in our country they were not slaves.
Speaker 2:I wasn't. I passed 1863 anyway.
Speaker 1:I didn't own a slave Right. Why would I feel guilty about what happened? I don't know.
Speaker 2:You're talking common sense to people who don't practice common sense, though. Right, you know what I mean. Listen, I don't care what color somebody was. Be historically accurate. Now I will say this though if Google AI tried to turn Martin Luther King into an albino, there would be an upgrade like an outright right. Right, just ifiably, justifiably, just get it right. That get pissed off, not because of color, but because it's got it wrong. Fix it. Be real, be absolutely real. It's not hard.
Speaker 1:So what was their response when, when people started seeing this stuff, what was Google's response?
Speaker 2:Embarrassment. Let's see, let's look that up. That's a good question. Response to Gemini AI problem.
Speaker 1:My type. That's why you got to get somebody on this computer man.
Speaker 2:Google is working to fix its Gemini AI tool, saying some of the text and image responses generated by the computer model were biased and completely unacceptable.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Now all I'm getting is opinion. I'm not getting an official response.
Speaker 1:Gemini image generation got it wrong. We'll do better. We recently made the decision to pause Gemini's image generation of people. Why we? Why we work on improving the accuracy of its response. Here is more about what happened to do in fixing it. We're doing it.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, look at the look at the gentleman who's in charge. Yeah, it appears to be of Indian descent. Perhaps Rob?
Speaker 1:Baker Rog, Rogabon. Right, yeah, I mean I'm not saying he had anything to do with this, but like you talk about inclusion.
Speaker 2:This is a senior vice president of Google. You know what I mean. This is a gentleman of color who's worked himself up to a position extremely high in the company. Position responsibility Like this is not a racist company, and if we were truly a racist nation, this guy wouldn't have his job Right. Correct, correct. I doubt he's making minimum wage?
Speaker 1:I doubt it. Three weeks ago, we launched a new image generation feature for the Gemini conversational app formerly known as Bard Barrow, I can't see it which included the ability to create images of people. It's clear that this feature missed the mark. Some of the images generated are inaccurate or even offensive. We greatly we're. We are grateful for users feedback and are sorry for the feature. Sorry that the feature doesn't work well. We've acknowledged the mistake and temporarily paused image generation of people in Gemini while we work on an improved version. You can't sit here and tell me that that was not done intentionally. There's no way.
Speaker 2:When you, when you program a computer, that's what you're doing. You're, you're, you're assigning a machine to do something, right. So you know, even with an, even with the artificial intelligence thing, that that moniker brings something to mind. It brings to mind a sentient machine. When you think about AI, that's basically what you're looking at Right, or what you're trying. For us, that that's the goals to have an independently thinking sentient machine.
Speaker 2:That's still a garbage in, garbage out scenario. Yeah, that that somebody had to put that in there to air drastically on the side of whitey bag. Okay, I don't think it's a grand conspiracy or anything like that, but I think that maybe let let's let's dial that back a bit, because that that sound, that almost sounds like way too controversial. So let's dial it back to a very moderate stance. Google might have told their designers to be exceptionally careful to make sure that they write software that makes damn sure that every step is taken to make sure that nothing biased against people of color is included in their software. What color Exactly?
Speaker 2:But because, like I said, when you try to do a Google AI Gemini search of an Asian family, an Asian family will come up, or a black family, or a Latino family or whatever. No, it has no problem generating those images. When you ask for a white family, however, it will tell you I cannot generate these images because I am programmed to now put anything biased or racially triggering. You know what I mean. It's a state right that's generated when you ask for something specifically Caucasian, but it is still being biased Exactly Because it's not having that issue generating images of any other color family. Nor should it. If you ask for a black family, you get a black family. If you ask for a white family, you get a white family. It's, it's a machine. Do your job Right.
Speaker 2:But somewhere in there some programmers put in this sense of of, of what they consider racial altruism, and and, and, and you know, making it right by not making it white. I don't know, but it's, it's ridiculous on its face and it's an example of reverse racism and being overly woke and swinging way too far the other way. Not that Google ever owned any slaves or traffic than them either. Right, right.
Speaker 1:I don't know what to say too much about it, to be honest with you, because this is the first I've heard about it in the past couple of days.
Speaker 2:It's pretty fresh yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, I haven't heard anything about it other than when we were talking about the podcast the other day.
Speaker 2:We're going to talk about uh, I'm wondering what the fix will be, though, and I'm one- steps in lessons.
Speaker 1:Let's do that. This wasn't what we uh intended.
Speaker 2:We don't want uh Gemini to refuse to create images of any particular group and we did not want to create inaccurate historical or any other images. And, by the way, we don't have reading problems. The light is glaring off the screen, so bear with us. Is it glaring back? If you scroll up a bit, I'll be able to pick it up.
Speaker 1:And I was blind as a bat. How's that? Yeah, any better.
Speaker 2:Pretty fancy, is what it is. Uh, so we turned the image generation people off and the image generation of people off and we'll work to improve it significantly before turning it back on. So right now you can't, you can't do this, right? Uh, they recognize it was a problem. Turned it off, it makes sense. I can't promise, just unplugged a goddamn thing.
Speaker 1:I can't promise that Gemini won't occasionally generate embarrassing, inaccurate or offensive results. You should see what I can promise that we will continue to take action whenever we identify an issue, so why don't they just turn the shit off until they get it right, and that's essentially that's what they did.
Speaker 2:You know, and look when they turn it back on. I think this is going to be awesome. There was going to be some very cool stuff and especially if you have the filthy mind that I do, because you're going to not believe the kind of shit I'm going to ask of the general. But, that being said, one white breast, one Asian breast and two Indian buttocks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're good to go. We're good to go, you know hell, maybe three Indian buttocks. Why not? Yeah, I got to say something. You have anything more to say on this Gemini stuff?
Speaker 2:No, I just find it interesting that again, it went that route. Yes, exactly, and it didn't go that route on its own. That's programmed. At some point Somebody thought it made more sense to make historical figures people of color so that they don't offend anybody, right? That's craziness in my mind. And you know, accuracy is. Accuracy is what we go for in life, or what we should anyway. Right, right.
Speaker 1:We talk about offending people and this and that, and I think we'll call it after this. Yeah, you got it, we have. I got a new phone, okay. So I went up to the store I'm not going to mention what company it was Went up to the store and walk in and I had there's like two people in front of me. I had to wait maybe about 10, 15 minutes, whatever. It wasn't ridiculous, but it was towards the end of the night. Now the store closes at seven. We got there at like quarter after five, five, 30. So an hour and a half to get a new phone program. It do what you got to do, which it shouldn't be an issue, right?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:In theory, right. So this person comes up to me and says, oh, could I help you this and that? And I said well, I have questions about this phone. How many gigabytes is it and how much does it cost? If I need more, what's the difference between this phone and that phone and this? And that I had all kinds of questions. This person could not answer my questions.
Speaker 2:And for the record for the people listening, which is pretty savvy about this kind of stuff. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's not like you're walking in there with complete ignorance. You have very, very pointed questions and he can't answer them, so what the hell is he doing there?
Speaker 1:This person, person right, wait a minute Now. That didn't bother me, Not, not in the least.
Speaker 2:The ignorance didn't bother you, the ignorance of the topic, the ignorance bothered me, that would.
Speaker 1:That would bother me. But this person that's what I'm saying person, because I could not tell Non-binary Correct, that did not bother me, that part did not bother me. That this person was transitioning All right From what to what, I couldn't tell you. It's ma'am, seriously, yeah, I could not tell. And, uh, but there's two things that bother me about this phone, or going up there and getting this phone. One is the lack of knowledge, uh, the, the, the, the rudeness of the person, because, right off the bat, now, mind you, like I said, it was only like 530 quarter after five and they had told me well, we could get you a new phone, but we're not going to be able to program it, we're not going to be able to do this, it's getting too late, which is a bunch of bullshit, because I brought the phone home and I did it myself, right, and this person was just dirty as sin Dirty as dirt can get, like offensive.
Speaker 2:The smell and everything. Yeah, it didn't smell.
Speaker 1:All right, at least there's that, but dirt, dirt under the fingernails, dirty clothes, definitely was not presentable to have a position like that, let alone the rudeness was just, it was ridiculous. So I said to my wife. I said you know what? I'll come back tomorrow. I don't want to do this right now because it's a very rude person.
Speaker 1:And uh, the coat, one of the coworkers come over, which was a black man, very nice, very intelligent, knew what he was talking about, very courteous, uh, he got everything done other than programming the phone, because I just wanted to get out of there. At that point you were pissed, I was, I was very pissed off and he apologized and everything. And uh, the next day they sent me a uh, where I had to do a survey on my experience after the store. Uh-oh, it's usually like a yes or no type deal. Yeah, no, this was a fricking. What I wrote down SA, it was a fricking essay, it was bad. I had nothing good to say other than the way I was treated with the black guy. When he got done with his customers, he come right over and helped me, right, and I was out.
Speaker 1:But I I was appalled by the way I was talking to, talked to and the way this person looked. Uh, not, not sit. Not whether the didn't matter to me if the person was transitioning or not, uh was not presentable at all. Very disgusting, disgusting dirty. Uh, dirty clothes, dirt under the fingernails. It was gross.
Speaker 2:Well, that's that no employee, never mind gender, or that should be unacceptable period.
Speaker 1:But this is exactly this is where I'm saying, where you can't just hire somebody because of their race, whether they're, they're, they're transitioning or not, uh, their gender. You can't hire somebody just on them. Facts alone.
Speaker 2:But the problem is if you don't hire them. There there is a movement that okay, I didn't get hired because I'm transitioning has nothing to do with my appearance, it has nothing to do with my ignorance. It has nothing to do. No, no, no, no, no, no. You focused on the fact that I'm transitioning while you are pissed off because you can't get these in customer service, and this person tried to sell you a phone that was transitioning into a lump of play-doh.
Speaker 1:It was. It was very, very. I was uncomfortable because I didn't want to get looked at like I didn't want to be there because this person was transitioning, or I would get looked at like I was being uh, we want to buy the bigot? Yeah, that is not the case at all.
Speaker 2:No, but you were. You were dealing with an idiot, never mind the gender, and that's all it was.
Speaker 1:That's all it was. Hey, we're going to leave it at that. We're good, we're good. I'm good. All right, we're good. Hey, good show today. Good show today. Thanks for listening. Don't forget to go to the website. We're going to recapcom. That's going to be changed soon. We'll be back to trucking on a recap.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go buy a phone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't go there. All right, we're out of here. Have a good day. Stay safe out there. Truckers.
Speaker 2:Go.