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Beyond Passwords: The Survival Guide for Modern Business

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Angel Mosley, founder of Cybase Risk Management, shares her journey from media studies to becoming a cybersecurity expert with over 20 years of experience helping small businesses and nonprofits protect themselves from digital threats.

• Starting her career in media before switching to computer science after learning about the salary differences
• Focusing on small businesses and nonprofits because they're often the vulnerable "cracks" that hackers exploit to reach larger corporations
• Creating customized crisis simulation exercises that walk C-suite executives through realistic cybersecurity breach scenarios
• Using AI to develop tailored security scenarios that provide probability-based outcomes for different decision paths
• Explaining the importance of multi-factor authentication as a critical first step in cybersecurity protection
• Educating clients about cybersecurity insurance and helping them implement the baseline controls needed to qualify
• Mentoring both young students and career-changers interested in entering the cybersecurity field
• Building an AI-powered tool that will help consultants multiply their impact in cybersecurity training

For more information about Angel's services or to protect your business from cyber threats, visit cybaserisk.com or call 858-413-RISK.

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Storie:

Welcome back to Market. It with. Atmo, where we share the tips, tools and strategies to help your business be successful. Today we have on the show a very special guest, ms Angel Mosley. She is the founder of Sybase Risk Management, a company devoted to helping small businesses and nonprofits protect themselves from cyber threats. I'll let. Angel tell you more.

Angel:

Welcome, angel. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Storie:

I'm so excited to have you today.

Angel:

I know I couldn't wait for this day to come here.

Storie:

Tell me more about one, how you even came to one want to be a business owner, and two, why this industry and what led you to this.

Angel:

Absolutely. I'll do the business on the heart.

Storie:

Down the road.

Angel:

Yeah, so my story, my backstory, or origin story, as the young people say. Now, I actually, when I was here in Dallas, texas, graduated from Duckerville High School and I was one of the first graduating class of a media program that they had and still have to this day.

Storie:

Wow.

Angel:

And so I found a love for media, radio, TV, film, Went to college for it. Believe it or not, Around my sophomore year I was hanging out with Janet Jackson and Ice Cube no, billy Ray. Cyrus. I was doing internships, doing all of that, and so when you do an internship and you're in college, you think you could ask anybody anything of course.

Angel:

I happened to wander into the computer room and um started asking the guys that were sitting there the guys that were sitting there, the guys that were sitting there how much money did you make when you got out of college? And they were like oh, we graduated making $60,000 a year, which back then was phenomenal, but $60,000 is still a pretty good salary To start off.

Storie:

That's very reasonable, Absolutely.

Angel:

So I was like $30,000, $60,000, $30,000? I've always liked computers. If I didn, like 30,000, 60,000, 30,000.

Storie:

I've always liked computers, so if I didn't before I may now Right.

Angel:

So I went back and changed my major to computer science, Graduated a computer science degree and I actually started off like literally crawling under desks connecting cables, you know.

Storie:

Isn't that part of the whole cyber, almost IT? I don't want to call you it because I know you're not, but that's where you start really back then, yeah, that's where you started.

Angel:

Now it's a little different, but back then, yeah, that's exactly where I started um and so I don't remember what year 2000 ish there was this thing that came out that was called starving socks league. Okay, and it's. People call it socks. Now it's a regulation. And it's the regulation that came out that was called Sarbanes-Oxley Okay, and we call it Sox. Now it's a regulation. And it's the regulation that basically says that if you are an officer of a publicly traded company, Okay. Do you remember Enron?

Storie:

Yes, Okay, I think everyone does.

Angel:

So Enron is the cause of this particular regulation, and if you cook the books, you can go to jail for it. Wow. So when that regulation came out, my I was one of a law firm. My boss at the time was like hey, we need you to go find out what this thing is all about.

Storie:

So we're gonna get on the front end of it, right. Absolutely. What's a training?

Angel:

for a guy certified as a CISA, which stands for Computer Information Systems Auditor. I had to think about that, the acronym for IT I cannot keep track of, so that's what started me down this cybersecurity journey, and it really started with what we call GRC, which is Governance, Risk and Compliance, and it's the foundation of cybersecurity. It's the rules and regulations that say thou must do thus and so. Like the umbrella rules of everything. Exactly Okay, I got you. So everything we do starts with a foundation or a base, which is where sci-base comes from.

Storie:

I love it, so it's our cybersecurity baseline controls.

Angel:

But yeah, that's how I got started, wow so over 20 years of experience.

Storie:

Yes, that is incredible. And so when you started out, the internet was known right, but not as prevalent as it is now. Right, I mean, it seems like it's moving faster than I can wake up in the morning. So why are you focused so much on these small businesses and nonprofits? Why is that your focus? Thank you for asking that.

Angel:

So throughout my 20-year career, I spent a lot of time in corporate. America and working for large corporations. During that time, I realized that the weakest link is what you need to go after, and so I don't think there are any large corporations that don't rely on small companies Right.

Storie:

You always have to have somebody kind of lifting it up right. Absolutely it takes the village.

Angel:

Absolutely so. And large corporations are required, you know, to contract and offer business to small companies, right, and so when you have to rely on what we call third party risk, so these smaller companies, they introduce risk that the larger companies sometimes are not aware of. And what I realized is it's really the smaller companies, medium-sized companies, that need cybersecurity and don't always have access to it. So, when I decided to quote-unquote start my own business.

Storie:

I'm a business owner.

Angel:

I just look back on my career and was thinking there's a lot of stuff I can do, but what do I actually want?

Storie:

right, what's your?

Angel:

passion, right, exactly because it has to be that thing that wakes you up in the work, that get you out of bed, guys, right. But get you out of bed in the morning, right, and so that's that's where my passion is is small, medium-sized businesses, nonprofits, right.

Storie:

I'm a heart for that. It's almost like those small businesses are the cracks in the large corporations. So if you have, a small hairline fracture.

Storie:

it's going to crack eventually, right? So the nonprofits as well. Nonprofits are a whole other beast in terms of everything they're doing. A lot with little, Would you agree? So you're focused on that. How do you reach that audience? Because I know that nonprofits are so busy with so many different things. So how is your outreach towards those areas? I am learning to get out and network many different things, so how is your outreach towards those, those areas in the industry.

Angel:

I am learning to get out and network and that's that's actually been very successful. So, just stepping out of my house I have a home office stepping out of my house and and getting on platforms like Eventbrite, right, and seeing what else is out there, uh, meet up and uh and market to them. So, as I tell people, what I am spending a lot of time doing is convincing companies that they need me, because when you target small, medium-sized businesses, they think they're too small for the bad people, the hackers, hackers to find them and I'm like oh, no, no, no.

Storie:

It's almost the way you frame it. It's not so much convincing, it's opening their eyes. It feels like to me. So you would say in-person networking and referrals are your primary way of spreading what you do and how you do it. Because I mean, when I think cyber security, I'm like this is already over my head just with that word. Right, exactly, so, yeah, so how do you um approach it when you are in person?

Angel:

good question, so close your eyes, okay. Imagine you just got a call from the fbi and they said that your company data has been stolen and it's out on the dark web. What do you do?

Storie:

next, one of them I hang up the phone because I don't think the FBI makes phone calls. They actually do. Okay, all right, so go back after they call me back three times maybe. They validate themselves. You're scared. Yeah, you don't know what to do. I have no idea. I would not know where to start.

Angel:

Exactly. So that's what I do and that just that question. Um, and you know, I'm I'm a little traumatic, so the closing of the eyes is no, it really does.

Storie:

It really internalized that, that feeling of fear, like who do I need to help me? Exactly, Exactly.

Angel:

So what I do. Going back to focusing on, I can do a lot but what I actually want to do, is the preparedness part of it. Okay.

Angel:

So when you are able to sit down and answer questions and go through a mock, a fake, a simulation scenario of an actual I'm using the word actual and mock together but a mock scenario that is put together as if it were real scenario and you, as the CEO of your company, have to make decisions, and you, as the CEO of your company, have to make decisions. So a lot of people think that the decisions are on the IT side and the cybersecurity side, and that's actually not true.

Angel:

Information is what I, so IT stands for information right Technology and on the flip side of that you have information security. They're responsible for providing information to the C-suite of a company. So your CEO, your CFO, your CIO, your.

Angel:

CTO, your chief information security officer, if you have one chief of marketing, believe it or not. So they're almost the middleman in between, absolutely. So I get those people in a room and we walk through a scenario that's tailored specifically to their industry and their company. So if they have, for example, a server called superman right, because we love to name our servers funny names and super Superman houses all of their confidential information their proprietary information, their customers' personal information, right, and all that's sitting on server Superman or server XYZ.

Angel:

I introduce that particular server into the scenario and I say things like okay, ceo of the company, you just got to call it eight o'clock in the morning from your IT guy or girl and they're like hey, something funny is going on. I'm not sure you know. I'll check you back and let you know if we you know, anything else happens. You get a call 30 minutes later. Oh yeah, there's definitely some bad actors in our environment.

Angel:

Right now we I got my guys on it we're trying to get them out. Now your decision that you have to make. Do I notify my customers? Do I notify my employees? Do I need to call my legal department? What do I need to do? So I walk them through all of those decisions.

Angel:

We spend two hours doing that and then it gets worse and worse, just like a movie it gets worse, it escalates right, and so then you get to that, crescendo the climax yes, right and then you know, we go back down the other side of the mountain with now we're cleaning up and all the things so, wow, that's a great strategy, though, to really put them through a real-life scenario of their own personal information.

Storie:

So you're customizing strategies for these businesses that really work for them. You're not just saying here here's McAfee software, fix it. Yeah. You're actually walking these c-suite companies through what they need to know prior to the chaos happening right Now. In terms of when the chaos happens, are you coming in and being hands-on, if it's one of your clients or not one of your clients?

Angel:

Absolutely, so I offer that service as well. So that is I tell people think of me as the cyber fire chief. So, when something happens, you want to have that point person. That's kind of like a traffic cop, you know. That's like, you know, level headed, directing people. Absolutely Okay, and so that person serves as called the incident commander, and they are not necessarily the what I call hands on keyboard but, they're the ones that have gone through it several times, so they know okay, this is going on.

Angel:

We need to bring this entity in. Call your external. Your internal counsel definitely needs to be involved, but your external counsel a lot of companies don't have it. Wow, there are other companies. So I am a one woman shop as of right now. I can't do everything, but I do partner with other companies that do the things that I know need to get done. In the midst of things like that that you've vetted. Yes, ma'am, thank you for that. Yes, absolutely.

Storie:

Because you have to have a team. I mean my job, I could not do it without my team. I mean we have somebody helping us, right now that you just can't do it without right. So you're not a one-woman show. But the fact that you vet them and you know that they're credible and they'll be available is another benefit to what you offer. Right, definitely. So now take me through what's to come. It looks like you have a lot of different upcoming visions or actual implementation of ideas that you're wanting to kind of expand on.

Angel:

I do things fast so I have, I have a non-profit I. I've had that since 2018 and we teach and this is a we, that's's not just an angel we teach children, students in middle school and high school, about careers in technology and cyber security Wow, and we do that through summer camps, through after school programs, through what's it called career days at school. You know, just going out and talking to the schools, working with counselors, that type of thing, and with that, people always ask do you do it for adults? And my answer has been no, because I like to work with kids.

Angel:

But I've gotten that question so much. And then just out and about networking, right, not even necessarily. Sometimes, I'm not socializing Not, you know, don't have my business hat on and people just ask me, you are your friend, though right, absolutely, and so my number one I did a post recently.

Angel:

The number one question that I get asked is how do you get into cybersecurity? And that I get asked is how do you get into cybersecurity? And when you ask people that are in the industry, almost everybody's story is completely different. Really, yes, and that's okay. There's multiple ways that you can get into the industry. So what I decided to do was take that model that I do for the middle school, high school students and apply it to what I'm calling young professionals, not discriminating as that age discrimination.

Angel:

Right, it's young professionals and the word young is used loosely because it's people that are trying to break into the industry and also career changers, and so they may be in marketing, right. Right, and I worked with and she has an amazing story a young lady that was a chef for years and is now in cybersecurity and she's killing the game. That's amazing. Yeah, it just doesn't matter what your background or where you come from.

Storie:

I mean 20 years ago when some people got into maybe cybersecurity or IT either, or it's changed, it's ever changing. So even having a seasoned professional kind of go through this in the new day and age cybersecurity is probably beneficial right, absolutely so.

Angel:

It's a mentoring program I love it I tell people it's not technology training, because you can find that anywhere. But I do bet technology because there's unfortunately a lot of scammers out there when it comes to trading, you hear the commercials sometimes on the tv.

Angel:

They pop up on your ig right, your facebook, and not to say that the ones that pop up because you have to advertise, obviously, but so not to say the ones that pop up are scammers, but sometimes they are you know, they feed on the fact that you don't know and you're eager to learn and you're eager to learn, which is great, and so I tell even my students and my adults that you can break into cybersecurity without having a college degree, but you have to be a lifelong learner, oh, ever-changing right. I mean even social media.

Storie:

We have a head of social media and she's learning something new every day. It seems like we're shifting to so much AI and digital. You say that with a little different tone.

Angel:

Tell me about how AI and cybersecurity are working together, so I'll tell you how they're working together and against. So I'll start with the together with my company. So what I just told you about is my brainchild right the, walking the C-suite through that scenario. I use AI to put the scenarios together. So they answer a questionnaire, I feed that data into an AI model that I'm training and then it will put together a scenario specifically for that company in that industry. That's the surface level part.

Angel:

The bigger part that I'm working on the yet to be is being able to give them near real world answers based on their responses. So it'll be something like this Based on your decision to do A, b, c, at this time of the scenario, there's an 80% chance that X, y, z is going to happen. And with that 80% chance, if they don't like the outcome, then they can make another decision, because we're sitting at a table walking through a big scenario, absolutely, and so when they make that second decision, or third or fourth, it'll feed that data in and say you know, here's the and it's all probability right.

Angel:

There's nothing that's guaranteed, of course, but it gives them muscle memory. I like to say Absolutely, because when you're going through, when you're in a fire, you know, you don't know, you panic, you panic.

Storie:

So, going through you do, and you're right that muscle memory, just like training our kids when there's a fire, don't go in the closet, get down on the floor, you know, remember, stop, drop and roll Right. So you're training them to have that muscle and you're really incorporating ai as a real benefit, because the analytics and the information that you're giving them used to take days, if not weeks, right, and now you're able to do it more quickly. Absolutely, that's a wonderful use of ai. Some people love it, some people don't. So I know this is a little off topic from what we discussed, but do you feel that AI has the same cybersecurity risk as, say, just creating a website?

Angel:

hundred percent. So that's, let's talk about the against part yeah so, just the same way that you know, I'm a good guy or good good gal, there's bad actors out there and they have access to the same and they're training their AI models for bad things. And so what that means is that there are a lot of security tools that have good AI baked in. There are security tools that people are building that have bad AI built in.

Storie:

Everyone's worst fear right. Is AI going to win?

Angel:

And it's. You know. Ai is a tool just like anything else, absolutely. You know people say, okay, a hammer, you know, in a carpenter's hands is used to build a house, but a hammer in a murderer's hands, completely different outcome, but it's still a tool. So it's about, in cybersecurity, getting ahead of the game, and the way that you get ahead of the game is that you prepare and practice and then you have a good plan so that when something happens, and we always say in cyber it's not.

Angel:

if it's when something happens, you're prepared for it. You're not going to get it right. Nobody does you know you're going to make mistakes. You're probably going to make mistakes that will cost you money, but you would rather make a mistake that may cost you $5,000 and not $50,000 or $5 million, absolutely being proactive in any business, in any area of your business.

Storie:

it's going to benefit you right and, in this day and age, I think, a lot of people. I'm really glad you clarified that AI and the example with the hammer, because so many people are fearful, like they were with the internet right, and it's like either you get with it and utilize how to use it appropriately or you're left behind Absolutely and you're opening yourself to a lot of risk right. Absolutely.

Angel:

And so on the risk side of the house, the other thing that I've trained business owners and I'm glad that there's most of the people that I know that are in cybersecurity are doing the same thing with AI, in that they are teaching the companies that are using AI what to put in, what they can put in and what they cannot. So when you use a publicly available AI model, that data like I tell my students, when you take a picture of yourself that is not the most flattering, then you may not want your parents to see it's out on the internet forever. Same thing with that data. If you're putting a proprietary forecast report right from your financials because you want that model to do something different with the data and give you a predictive outcome, that's great. That's what it's used for. But if that data is tied to your company and it's for something that has yet to be publicized, then you're at risk for a lot of stuff You're at risk of somebody stealing the data.

Angel:

You're at risk of somebody using the data against you and you're at risk, going back to Sarbanes-Oxley, of potentially facing some jail time because you put your company's data out on. You know.

Storie:

And a lot of people don't know these things Right. Especially, I worked in the financial industry prior to this and they give you so much training but this is something that they don't. I wouldn't say don't, don't quote me on anything but you don't see as much on how to not get your company in a situation they can't get out of. So your real purpose is to one educate.

Storie:

Exactly that's number one and two, to strategize on a customizable basis. Yes, one by one. So are you on site? Are you holding webinars to do these trainings?

Angel:

I am, I actually have a webinar this evening, oh wonderful. Now the webinar this evening is on the career side, it's on that mentoring side, but I'm partnering. I have another webinar coming up with a partner company of mine.

Angel:

They produce firewalls and so if I are walls, that physical appliance that sits between the internet in your company and it's kind of like a traffic cop and it makes sure the bad stuff doesn't get in and it keeps the good stuff that's supposed to stay in your network in your network right right, um, so they have created proprietary information that sits on that hardware appliance and what I'm doing is being able to the companies that are using their firewalls being able to pull that data out of the firewall and then put it into those scenarios that we just talked about and then show them how to use that real time so that they can do what we call threat hunting. So look at that data, try to see if there's somebody bad that is trying to break in and then know how to put those defenses up.

Storie:

So as a marketing company, a digital marketing company, we utilize your services a lot Because we have clients that we have to protect and a lot of people don't understand that You're not just creating a website. So these people that aren't certified they may create your website, but they've opened you up to all kinds of risks because they haven't put that back in incorrectly and that's something so important people have to know. I couldn't explain it to save my life, but that's why I call you right. I mean because if you don't have that, you're setting yourself up for failure and it seems like with your webinar tonight, thinking about it, plumbing, ac and heat those are forever, forever jobs. I don't see us ever getting away from digital. So cybersecurity is really something that is job security.

Angel:

A hundred percent. There are any statistic that you look, you know, you Google, you know AI it's going to say globally. There are millions of unbilled cybersecurity jobs out there.

Angel:

Now you have to also take into consideration the market that you're in Dallas happens to be a really good market because there's a lot of tech companies there's just a lot of companies here with their headquarters in Dallas, so it's a good place to be a cybersecurity professional. But even if you're in a little bitty town like Corpus Christi, texas, which is my hometown, there's still a need for cybersecurity professionals there, as well, Absolutely so.

Storie:

With that being said, you've scared me to death but, I want to join your webinar tonight because I really I mean, with kids growing up, I would love to learn more about what it takes to get in there and I think what you're doing is absolutely amazing. So what challenges are you facing right now in educating the market? You're great at educating, but what challenges are you facing? Thank you. What challenges?

Angel:

Reaching the right people in the small, medium-sized business space. So, as we said earlier, when you're a nonprofit, when you're a smaller company you wear multiple hats. So when I was in corporate America, I knew my CMO was my Chief Marketing Officer. That's the person that I need to reach out if I want marketing Well, in smaller companies, you might have the CFO be the CMO as well, absolutely and you might have the CFO be head of IT.

Angel:

As weird as it sounds, it's happened so. So finding out that person that is responsible for the digital assets at the companies right now is one of my biggest challenges now. Once I find out who that person is right to market to then I can start educating, but that's. That's actually one of my it's. It's not a big barrier, but it's. It's one that I'm learning how to overcome, right there's.

Storie:

So many different variables and so many different even businesses or industries, right, yes, and your best outreach right now for expanding that breadth and education? What platform would you say is the best for expanding that information?

Angel:

platform that probably 80 to 90 percent of the people I'm trying to reach have a LinkedIn profile. Their company probably 100 percent of the companies have a LinkedIn profile so we're reverse engineering, reaching out, but then I don't discount other platforms like Instagram you know, because people who are and I think, a lot of cybersecurity companies are learning this also when you take off your work hat you have your personal life, you have an IG account, right, and so when you get a pop-up to a cybersecurity company in IG, you might want to, you know, click on it, check it out and see.

Angel:

So yeah, I think those are probably, and I'm more comfortable with IG, facebook and all that probably because I'm old I would not say old at all, but LinkedIn is my number one.

Storie:

Okay, I would agree with you If I'm a business owner and I'm trying to relax in my off time, but still stay focused on business. I'm going to go on there and I'm trying to relax in my off time, but still stay focused on business.

Storie:

I'm going to go on there and I want to see advertisements that are going to help me or give me tips on how to protect me, because, at the end of the day, if they're really serious about it, they're going to give you a call right, absolutely. So, with that being said, what tip? One tip that you would give business owners any business on our small, large, medium or nonprofit to help protect themselves from cybersecurity, or one thing they know, that they need to know multi-factor authentication okay, and what that is is something it's your password in combination with something that you have or something that you are so if you notice your banks.

Angel:

Nowadays all banks are have multi-factor authentication.

Angel:

That means that you have to put a password in and then they may send you to an authenticator app on your phone or they may send you a text message on your phone with the code that you have to put in on your computer. Now they have the biometrics on there with the fingerprints and your phones have the. I've knew where iPhones have the face recognition yeah right. So those that's as small medium-sized businesses have to rely on cloud infrastructure. That means that that information is not on a desktop or sitting on the hard drive of a laptop. They're using Workday and Salesforce and Google Docs and Google Drive and Microsoft 365, right.

Angel:

That means their data, their company data is in the cloud, so one of the best ways to protect it is to turn on. It's a pain in the butt, it is.

Storie:

Thank you.

Angel:

It is a pain in the butt, but it's worth it Right, and it's one of the best ways to protect your data that and know where your risks are right. Start you know, don't be an ostrich with your head in the sand. Start looking into where are my risks, where you know most companies hopefully know their legal, you know regulatory risks. So if I'm a healthcare organization, I have to be HIPAA compliant Absolutely. If I'm you know, a financial organization it's.

Angel:

FICO and the other regulations that are out there. If you are a legal organization, you have the Sarvay, Zoxley public traded companies, that type of thing. So most companies know from a legal regulatory standpoint what they have to be compliant with. Every single one of those has cybersecurity controls Every single one and so if you're not doing those, then you're at risk. In addition cybersecurity insurance.

Storie:

I was actually. That was going to be my next question. Yes. I never knew there was such a thing and forgive me because I should know, but tell me more. You can acquire cybersecurity insurance, and what does that cover? Absolutely.

Angel:

So because I don't sell insurance. I will say basically, it will cover you in the midst of an incident or a breach. Now think about it like this when you get life insurance, they ask you do you smoke, Do you skydive, Do you drive your car really fast?

Storie:

Right.

Angel:

Do you engage, as a human being, in any life risky activities? Yep. Because if you answer yes to any of those questions, your premiums are higher.

Storie:

So note to everyone out there don't answer those questions Go ahead Say the same thing right.

Angel:

When you get cybersecurity insurance, they're going to ask you do you have multi-factor authentication in place? Do you have a way to identify everybody that's in your company? Do you know where all your digital assets are? They're going to ask you these questions have you performed any type of risk assessment to understand where your digital risks are? And if you're answering no to those questions, one of two things will happen They'll cover you at a higher rate or they'll tell you no, wow, just flat out.

Angel:

No, they'll tell you no, wow, just flat out. No, they'll tell you. No, they'll tell you go, get your act together and then come back. That's a service that I offer Baseline controls. Let's get those baseline cybersecurity controls in place so that, if you already have cybersecurity insurance, we can lower your premiums. And if you don't, you can turn that no into a yes.

Storie:

Wow, that is almost necessary for every business nowadays. We're on such a digital. Whether you like it or not, we're digital world now, yes, and the fact that I didn't know that. Now, mind you, I'm in the marketing strategy part, so we have a designated person that handles our back-end stuff and she's very familiar with all of these things. But as an outsider looking in, just you know, talking with clients and businesses, I know we have the infrastructure, but I did not know that you could protect yourself.

Angel:

Yes, Just like it's similar to errors in the mission insurance. You know so when, if you think about it from a financial aspect because finances are done by people, right People have the preventative to make a mistake.

Storie:

Everyone Right, yeah, and it's natural.

Angel:

Yeah, it's an error, right? So you have insurance that covers you in case you make a huge error that costs you a lot of money. You have insurance that covers that. It's cyber security. Insurance is similar to that because, again, it's not if it's when?

Storie:

no kidding and you'll walk them and help these small businesses and non-profits walk through the process of obtaining what they need to do to to acquire that insurance and also to get the insurance.

Angel:

Absolutely, and I partner with insurance agencies and brokers that offer cybersecurity insurance.

Storie:

So, yes, Wow, Are these mainly insurance workers for small businesses for? Commercial.

Angel:

Are they insurance. They can write. Most of them can write policies regardless.

Storie:

Wow, that's incredible. It's great information to know, as a business owner at least. So what is your next mission, your next cohort? What's on the horizon for you? That's a good question. If you don't want to tell us, that's fine, I definitely want to tell you I am so much looking forward to this AI that.

Angel:

I'm building that is going to, because the product which I have not named. I haven't given it a name yet, and that's okay.

Angel:

I don't know what it's going to be called of developing will be useful to other consultants like myself, because one person show, even though I have a team of partners, I can multiply myself by using this particular application. Wow, other consultants can use, will be able to use the tool as well, and so will larger corporations, because they have the teams, they have the people, the cybersecurity people there, that if I were to sell them an application, they can take the same thing without me and run it themselves. So that is what I am most excited about is getting this product developed, getting it marketed and in the hands of the people to be able to use. I would love to be your test dummy on that one, by the way.

Storie:

I wholeheartedly trust you. We say pilot program.

Angel:

Okay, pilot, I'd love to be your pilot. It sounds more prestigious than test dummy.

Storie:

I enjoy that, I love that and I love that you're local and that you grew up here, because it seems like you really have a passion for what you do. So if anyone wants to learn more about your education, your workshops, obtaining cybersecurity insurance or any of the things that you mentioned, how can they?

Angel:

reach you. They can reach me through my website, which is cybasecom. Okay, I should know my number. What's that? 858-413-risk? There we go.

Storie:

You don't call yourself there, y'all I don't.

Angel:

858-413-risk. Perfect, and you can find me on LinkedIn, angel Mosley, and I think I'm the only Angel Mosley out there, but you'll see Sidebase Risk in the background and I don't have an IG profile just yet. I'm working on that.

Storie:

But yeah.

Angel:

SidebaseRiskManagementcom.

Storie:

Well, I'll list all that information at the bottom of this description and I really appreciate you educating me and our audience. And if anyone would like to reach out and be proactive about protecting yourself, please, please click the link below to reach Angel and get connected. Stay protected, everyone. We'll see you next time.