Satisfaction Factor

#42 - What to Expect From Intuitive Eating Coaching

July 13, 2022 Naomi Katz & Sadie Simpson
Satisfaction Factor
#42 - What to Expect From Intuitive Eating Coaching
Show Notes Transcript

This week, we're breaking down all the nuances of one-to-one Intuitive Eating coaching - and, in particular, Naomi's new 1:1 Intuitive Eating & Anti-Diet coaching packages! If you've ever been curious (or confused) about what the heck Intuitive Eating coaching is, or why anyone would want to do it, this episode is for you! We're talking about: what Intuitive Eating coaching is & what it's not; who might benefit from Intuitive Eating coaching; and what kind of results we can see from this kind of coaching & what the end goals are. Plus, Naomi shares some of her experiences as a coach, as well as some of what her clients have told her about their experiences while working with her.

And, of course, you'll get all the details about Naomi's 1:1 Intuitive Eating & Anti-Diet coaching packages! She has 3 coaching spots open at this time, and you can get all the details & submit your application at happyshapes.co/coaching!

You can stay up to date on all things Satisfaction Factor by following us on IG @satisfactionfactorpod!

Here's where to find us:
Sadie Simpson: www.sadiesimpson.com or IG @thesadiesimpson
Naomi Katz: www.happyshapes.co or IG @happyshapesnaomi

Full episode transcript available at satisfactionfactorpod.com

Naomi Katz:

Welcome to Satisfaction Factor, the podcast where we explore how ditching diet culture makes our whole lives more satisfying. Welcome back to Satisfaction Factor. I'm Naomi Katz, an Intuitive Eating, body image, and self trust coach.

Sadie Simpson:

I'm Sadie Simpson, a group fitness instructor, personal trainer, and Intuitive Eating counselor.

Naomi Katz:

Before we dive in, just a quick disclaimer, there's like a huge thunderstorm happening right now, so if you happen to hear big crashes in the background of this recording, it's thunder.

Sadie Simpson:

Good ol North Carolina massive, torrential, severe thunderstorms that pop up out of nowhere.

Naomi Katz:

Totally.

Sadie Simpson:

This week, we are going to be talking about coaching. So if you've been listening to this podcast for a while, you know that Naomi and I have facilitated various coaching programs, whether that's a one on one program or a group program. Today, specifically, we're going to talk about what one on one coaching is, how it works, what the experience is like, and just more info on how you can connect with Naomi this way, if this is something that you're interested in.

Naomi Katz:

We kind of decided to do this episode for two reasons. The first is that I have just opened up my new and improved one on one Intuitive Eating and anti diet coaching. That's open to the public as of the release of this episode. If that's something you would like more information about, as you're listening to this episode, you can check out happyshapes.co/coaching. And I will also be putting the link to that in the show notes. And then the other thing is just that I think sometimes folks are curious- or maybe even a little confused- about what coaching is, what it isn't, what to expect from coaching, like, why you wouldn't even want to do coaching. And so we kind of just figured, since we're in a position to address those questions and that confusion, maybe we should.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah, yeah, I think that's a great idea. Because it is, like, sometimes a weird area to navigate. Sometimes people can be sort of confused as to what it is and what it isn't. So let's just dive right in. Tell us a little about what coaching even is.

Naomi Katz:

Truly, coaching can be whatever you want it to be. I think that's the big difference between something like, you know, one on one Intuitive Eating coaching versus any kind of coaching that you might have come across in diet culture, that tends to be very one size fits all, or like, you know, have specific goals that are just set for you, and things like that. Like, this is very, very highly personalized, especially in the context of one to one coaching, which means it can suit individual learning styles, preferences, needs, and things like that. So maybe you're a person who learns and internalizes really well with worksheets. Well, okay, cool, we have worksheets. But maybe you're a person who learns and internalizes mostly by just like talking through your values, and your experiences, and stuff like that. Cool, then for somebody like that, we might do more talking, less worksheets. But generally, we use the Intuitive Eating framework to guide our work, but we go really far beyond just addressing food. So like, we start with the Intuitive Eating framework, but we use it to dig into higher level concepts about diet culture and body image that go pretty far beyond our relationships with food. And I'm sure you've heard us say this before on the pod, our food fears and beliefs are actually body fears and beliefs. And those body fears and beliefs are instilled in us by systems. And the thing is that diet culture shapeshifts. So like, we really have to address the roots of things. You know, sometimes we're supposed to be afraid of carbs, sometimes we're supposed to be afraid of fat. Sometimes it's specifically sugar. Like there's just- there's always some different rule. And if we're just addressing, it's okay to eat sugar, or it's okay to eat fat, and we're like really just focusing on like that specific part of it, then, like, what happens when the rule changes? Which it's always going to. So we have to look at the deeper goals of the rules, the systems and the body hierarchies that they're upholding, because that way we can recognize that the goal of these rules always stays the same- the goal of controlling, and robbing us of autonomy, and like ranking bodies, and things like that- even if the details of the rule change. And that way we don't have to go through this process every time there's some like new incarnation of diet culture. Personally, within like my one on one coaching that I do with folks, I've always used the Intuitive Eating workbook as part of coaching, like to help guide conversations and stuff. But I've actually also recently started using the Your Body Is Not An Apology Workbook by Sonya Renee Taylor.

Sadie Simpson:

Nice.

Naomi Katz:

Again, just to- it helps guide the conversations about these deeper issues. And so every client gets copies of both of those workbooks as part of their coaching package.

Sadie Simpson:

I love that idea so much, and I might steal it, because that is a wonderful tool and a resource to let folks use, especially doing this kind of work. Because it really does go far beyond just working through the Intuitive Eating framework, and especially for folks who really want to dig into more of like the higher level systems that feed into all of this work, that resource is amazing.

Naomi Katz:

Yeah. And, you know, I think it's really important to say that these are things- especially things about body hierarchies, and systems of oppression and stuff like that- that's stuff that, like, I have learned, partly from Sonya Renee Taylor. And so using her workbook, and, like, literally purchasing a copy of the workbook and sending it to my client, is a way that I can credit that work as like not my own. Where like, yes, I can help facilitate the conversations, but the framework of working through these bigger conversations is not something that I originated. And I think that's important to be very transparent about.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah, yeah.

Naomi Katz:

And so, yeah, like, for the kind of one on one coaching that I do, we don't really zoom in on the nutrition side of things. Instead, we tend to focus time and attention on the mindset stuff. So we have conversations about self trust, and body image, and what the folks I work with value in their everyday lives, and then how diet culture robs us of that stuff, and, ultimately, really how to navigate the whole process of rejecting and unlearning.

Sadie Simpson:

So just to be clear, you're definitely not coaching people by giving them meal plans, or macro goals, or anything like that, that we often see in these coaching programs.

Naomi Katz:

That is an excellent question, Sadie. And hard no.

Sadie Simpson:

Yes. I think that's really important to clarify. Like, I know that, and you know that, and I think a lot of the folks who are regular listeners know that, but this is very different than Beachbody coaching or any of these other health coaching programs.

Naomi Katz:

Yeah, absolutely. And it's not even just that it's very different from Beachbody coaching- like it is- it's very, very different from Beachbody coaching- but also, I think that there are folks out there who use the phrase Intuitive Eating and still micromanage nutrition, and macros, and meal plans, and stuff like that. And, one, that's not Intuitive Eating. Like, yes, Intuitive Eating does have a nutrition component, and there are Intuitive Eating certified dietitians and things like that, and there is a way to address specific nutrition needs- so for instance, for like medical nutrition therapy- and through the lens of Intuitive Eating. And so I'm not talking about that. I'm also not doing that. So yeah, that is definitely not what's- what's happening within the container of the kind of coaching that I do.

Sadie Simpson:

Yes. So what do you like best about one on one coaching?

Naomi Katz:

I love being in relationship with people as they unpack and unlearn stuff. I love seeing people like come into their power with their anti diet beliefs- like when they start finding their own words, and talking to their people about what they're doing, and- it's really kind of amazing. I also love connecting the dots, and recognizing patterns, and like helping the people I work with to see all the things that they actually already know. I used to, in my marketing- I used to, actually, in my marketing, in various places, say that I did coaching for grownups who already knew what was best for their own bodies. And I think that that was confusing for people. Because sometimes, we totally do know what's best for our own bodies, and we just don't know that we know it. And so one of the things that I really love is helping people see that they actually already know it. I always say that I almost never tell the people I work with anything that they don't already know. My job is really just like to help them clear the path for that knowledge, and then find the words for it. It's also just so cool to see people become like the most themselves they can be. Not their best selves, or like whatever stupid diet culture phrase is popular these days, but just more themselves than they've ever allowed themselves to be before. It's just so cool.

Sadie Simpson:

Oh, my gosh, I love that so much. And I really like that you clarified this is not a directive, dictatorship, you telling people what they have to do and what they don't have to do, and that sort of thing. But this coaching program sounds like it is more of a relationship where folks have the opportunity to explore some of their thoughts, and their feelings, and their values, and their beliefs around all the things- bodies, and food, and exercise, and just all the things- and you are just there to kind of guide them, and help them kind of find that clarity, and find what feels right for them versus you saying you have to do this thing, because that's not what it's about at all.

Naomi Katz:

Yeah, absolutely. It's really just about- I mean, it's that self trust. It's like- it's really just like helping to reconnect to the self trust that was there at one point, and probably is there in other areas still, and just connecting that all.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah. So what do you think your clients like most about one on one coaching?

Naomi Katz:

I think the thing that I hear the most is that folks really appreciate having a space to, like, sort through their thoughts as they're doing this work. The way that Intuitive Eating and things like that tend to be marketed is that, like, you can free up your mental space and stop thinking about food and your body so much. And like, in the long run, doing this work, yes, does mean that you think about food and your body less. But at first, it's very much the opposite. You think about food and your body a whole lot. Like, I would even go so far as to say that maybe more than you did before, while you were dieting. But it's different. You know, instead of, like, obsessing about all the ways that your body is wrong, or eating is wrong, and things like that, it's much more like this, like, battle between old narratives and new narratives and stuff like that. It's a lot of dissonance and back and forth. And so it gets noisy in our heads, when we're doing this kind of work, I think. So having a space to get all of that out of our heads, and like have some support in sorting through it, and making sense of it can feel really comforting and grounding for people. It's basically just not feeling alone in doing all of this stuff. And that's something that the people I work with do both in our weekly calls, and then also in like the Voxer messaging app in between. Like, people are always able to, essentially, brain dump on that Voxer app also, and I will respond to that, and we can work through stuff then too.

Sadie Simpson:

That's awesome. So like you, as the coach, are immersed in this work with the other person. So you're able to just- to respond, not, again, not in like a dictatorship sort of bossy way, but just in a way that helps folks be able to work through some stuff. And I think that's a really neat opportunity that we don't often get the chance to partake in. And it's just really cool.

Naomi Katz:

Yeah. Well, and I think that one of the other things I've noticed is that a lot of the people that I work with are like the first ones in their friend group, or their families, or whatever to ditch dieting and diet culture. They're like the first ones to take this step. And as a result, it can feel a little isolating, and they don't necessarily have other places to have these conversations, and get this stuff out of their heads. Like they end up doing a lot of just like sitting by themselves and like ruminating over stuff. And so, you know, having a place where you can have that conversation- because then the the other side of that is that it feels very vulnerable to take the step to have that conversation with somebody who isn't fully on board with it. It feels vulnerable. It's really easy to feel very misunderstood. And so, especially when we're really early on in our work, that's maybe not a layer of like vulnerability that we want to add into everything. And so even if, you know, we have a partner who is, you know, on face value at least, supportive of what we're doing, or we have a friend who we feel like we can talk to, this, in particular, can feel really uncomfortable to talk to- to talk about with people who aren't also doing this work. And so, you know, just having a place where, like, you can come and have that conversation, and you know you're not going to be judged, and you know you're not going to be misunderstood. And it's- you know, all of that stuff is really helpful for the longevity of this stuff too.

Sadie Simpson:

So let's talk a little bit about results. And again, I'm not talking about before and after picture type results, because we've already established that is not what this coaching program is. But what are some outcomes or some changes that folks have experienced or that they've shared with you, that they've experienced from being a part of your coaching program?

Naomi Katz:

Yeah. So, specifically what I hear from clients tends to be that- they talk a lot about the impact of unpacking and unlearning things like fatphobic societal norms, the impact of being able to set boundaries, of being able to talk with their friends and family about diet culture, and that there's just this like ability to let go of the guilt and the shame around food and their bodies. And those are the- primarily the things that I'm like hearing from- in feedback from, like, actual clients that I've worked with. You know, the end goal of an Intuitive Eating practice isn't like, well, now I'm an intuitive eater, and I eat in this perfect, intuitive way all the time, and diet culture never bothers me, and I love my body, and all of that stuff. Like, we've talked about that that's not really what it is. What it really is, is this, like, collection of skills that we build that allow us to be resilient to the diet culture that is not going away, and the shifts in our bodies, and our eating habits, and things like that that are part of being a human being. So I think when we're talking about outcomes, we're really talking about those skills. And we've, you know, named them before. But it's, you know, thinking critically, so like the ability to examine the values, and the systems, and the rules, and what those rules are upholding, and really recognizing the systems at play there. It's the ability to recognize and honor our needs. And like, yes, absolutely with food, 100% with food- and also our emotional needs, and our social needs, and our mental needs and our spiritual needs, and like all the other kinds of needs that we could possibly have as human beings. It's the ability to trust ourselves. You know, again, it's that you actually do what's best for your body, you just have to believe that you know that, and know that you know that. And so, you know, getting to the point where we know that our bodies can be trusted, our minds can be trusted, our emotions can be trusted. It's letting go of perfectionism, recognizing that, you know- that perfect doesn't exist, and that it's just this like construct that's like meant to keep us blaming ourselves for our problems, and chasing things that like have constantly moving goalposts. And then lastly, it's the ability to think outside of the binary of like black and white, all or nothing, either or, and like really be able to hold both ands. I think that, especially, is a really important skill for resiliency, because it allows us to have those times where it's like, oh, I'm having a really bad body image day, and I still deserve to meet my needs. I still, you know, can be trusted. I still can recognize what diet culture is upholding, and that doesn't align with my values. And, you know, that both and is super important in a world that is always going to be full of diet culture.

Sadie Simpson:

Tell us a little bit about who your coaching program is for, and maybe even who is not an ideal client.

Naomi Katz:

I think maybe I'm going to start with who is maybe not a good fit for this.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah.

Naomi Katz:

And I think we touched a little bit on this- but like, you know, it's definitely not meal plans, it's not nutrition advice. People who are seeking those things, specifically, are not really going to benefit from this kind of coaching. I also want to- always want to clarify that what I do is not accountability coaching. Like, I'm not here to hold you accountable for your Intuitive Eating work. I'm never going to do that. Like, the way- like, yes, there's often like work in between calls that we decide on together, and stuff like that. But if you come to the next call, and you haven't even looked at it, and you haven't thought about Intuitive Eating once since last time we talked, I am never going to tell you that that's a problem. That is your life, and your choice, and fine. There's a couple of other things that have some nuance. So for instance, this coaching isn't going to be for somebody who's seeking weight loss, specifically. But it's totally okay to come into this and still have that hope for weight loss when we start. Like, you just have to be willing to work on letting it go. So like, coming into this work, and like not being willing to examine the desire for weight loss, and work on unpacking that- that's not going to work. Coming into this with that sense of like, you know, I still have this hope for weight loss, but I also know that that's not really what I'm looking for, and I want to not want it- you know, things like that- no problem, that's great. I feel like that's what Intuitive Eating is like designed- coaching is designed for.

Sadie Simpson:

Yes.

Naomi Katz:

Yeah.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah. For sure.

Naomi Katz:

I don't work with people in active eating disorders, because I'm not qualified to do that. But I do work with people who are in like a stable place of recovery, and maybe have some like other qualified support for that, to like really hone in on the mindset around this stuff. I also- like I don't provide medical nutrition therapy, like we just talked about. But I definitely do work with people who have support from a qualified dietician for the nutrition part of that, and who are looking for support on the impact that that medical condition has on your relationship to food and your body. Because that can be significant, and like, is definitely a mindset conversation that we can have without really getting into the details of the nutrition, which is handled by somebody who's qualified to do that. So like, you know, there's some nuance to some of that stuff, too. I think, mostly, the people who come to me for coaching are people who already intellectually know that diets don't work. They've, you know, heard the statistics. They have probably noticed that they're not getting the results they want from diets. You know, maybe they also already follow some like anti diet or like body positive people online and really like admire that. But they're having a really hard time applying that information to themselves. So there's this, like, gap between what they know intellectually, or what they believe for other people, and what they actually feel and believe internally for themselves. So like, primarily, the coaching that I do is for people who are looking for support in bridging that gap, and like really internalizing their anti diet and fat positive beliefs.

Sadie Simpson:

Thanks for clarifying that. And I think that last part about bridging the gap is really key here.

Naomi Katz:

You know, I think- and especially for folks who are in larger bodies, which is definitely, you know, a fair portion of the folks that I work with- there's also this sense of like, okay, I believe this for other people, but I also see how the world treats me in my larger body. And that makes it especially hard for people to internalize this stuff for themselves. And so, you know, it's a space for people to process that dissonance, too, and to not have their actual lived experience dismissed.

Sadie Simpson:

Can you give us an overview of your coaching program? So tell us a little bit about what all is included? How does that actually work? How often do you meet with folks, how do you meet with folks? Give us a little of the inside scoop on all those details.

Naomi Katz:

So one of the big things that I changed when I restructured my coaching offerings was, instead of having it be- so it used to be like a month to month, open ended kind of thing- where it was just- like, we just kept coaching month to month until somebody felt like they were done. And they would come to me and say, hey, I think I'm done, and then we'd wrap up. That can be a little hard for people to like wrap their head around. You know, of like, oh, so we just do this for like some undetermined period of time. And like, even though I can give people ideas of like how long people usually take, and things like that, it still can feel a little weird to like not have a structure. So now I have coaching packages that are three months, six months, and 12 months. 12 months is definitely the package that is- that most closely resembles the amount of time that I usually work with people. So I think, most of the time, my work with people is like 10 to 12 months. And so like, that's definitely the most common. But, you know, the three and six also have utility. So- which, you know, for one thing, that means that it's just a little easier to wrap your head around, like, oh, I'm working with somebody for three months, for six months, for 12 months, instead of just whenever. And also, it means that I can offer payment plans- like extended payment plans- which I really- like that feels good to me, too, to be able to offer for people. So there are a couple of reasons for that. Each coaching package contains the same elements. That doesn't change at all, it's just the period of time changes. So in each coaching package, it's a weekly 45 to 60 minute Zoom coaching call, depending on how much we have to talk about that week. You know, there is Voxer messaging app access in between calls. So that's the kind of thing where you have unlimited access to it, you can send me a Voxer message anytime of day and night, as many times as you want, as much or as little as you want to use it. And I have office hours during which I'll respond to those messages- so Monday through Friday, nine to five Eastern, I will respond to those messages as soon as I can. If the messages come in during hours that aren't my office hours, I'll just respond to them as soon as I get back into the office, basically. And Voxer is an app that like you can send text messages, and voice messages, and all kinds of stuff like that. Everybody gets a copy of the Intuitive Eating Workbook and a copy of the Your Body Is Not An Apology Workbook. I really like to literally be able to have everybody on the same page. I think it's just really helpful. Plus, I want people to be able to like flip through and read additional material if they want to. And everybody gets copies of those. And then the other thing is that everybody gets full access to the Nourish & Bloom monthly group calls, written content, and online space for the duration of their package. So Nourish & Bloom is my group Intuitive Eating coaching. It's a lot of the same stuff we cover in one on one coaching, but it's slightly different format. Sometimes hearing things a different way is helpful. And then, mostly, having those group calls, I think, is really helpful, again, because this can be really isolating, and it's nice to get the one on one space, but also once a month get to like just be around people who are also doing this work.

Sadie Simpson:

Ooh. I love that so much, because there are some folks out there that really like that one on one interaction for the deeper work. But having that extra community aspect is a really great benefit of this program. So you've got these three different packages for your coaching program. How does somebody know which one might be more appropriate for them?

Naomi Katz:

This is an excellent question. So the three month package- I have a tendency to think that it is very unlikely that people are going to truly internalize, and unpack, and unlearn, and all of that stuff, and get to our, you know, skill end goals that we talked about in Intuitive Eating in three months. So a three month package is best for maybe someone who has done some coaching before, is like pretty well versed in anti diet and Intuitive Eating work, but maybe has been like out of support for a little while, and looking to like refresh or deepen their practices, or something like that. I think the other side of that is that it could be good for someone who is brand new to like coaching relationships in general- so I think sometimes how well we're able to internalize and do this unlearning and unpacking work is also related to what other kinds of work like that we've done. So for instance, maybe you've done some anti racism coaching and work, or some purity culture coaching and work, and stuff like that, and so you're like kind of primed and like ready to start noticing and unpacking narratives. And that can- things go a little faster. But so, that three month package, maybe somebody who's never done a coaching relationship before, and isn't really sure if it's the right fit for them- like, am I gonna like working one on one with somebody- and who isn't really super familiar with anti diet or Intuitive Eating work- that- like that three month package can be like a way to dip your toe in and see if this is something you want to pursue. So I think those are kind of the two flip sides of that three month package. The six month package, I would say is like a middle ground, where maybe it's someone who has worked with some type of coach before- so, because like I said, some of those skills translate- but they're pretty new to the anti diet and Intuitive Eating space, they're not super sure if it's like 100% going to be the right fit for them, they don't want to commit to a whole year right away, but like, they also know that like three months isn't going to do it. Or someone who has no coaching experience, again, but is familiar with the anti diet and Intuitive Eating space- they have some familiarity with the framework and with the higher level of diet culture conversation. And either of those types of people might start, at least- but like that six month package might be a better fit for people like that. That 12 month package, like I said, is the most common length of coaching that I do with people, because it really gives you time to internalize. And so that's going to be a good fit for someone who already knows that this work is kind of a lifelong process and is like in it for the long haul, and someone who's really looking for support and guidance to internalize anti diet and Intuitive Eating concepts. And also to get support for like implementing and integrating those things into their lives in real time- meaning like, as these things come up, as they come up against obstacles, or narratives, or whatever, over the course of that time- they like want that support while they're dealing with it. You know, in a shorter container, we may be able to work through a lot of strategies, and like learn how to reframe stuff, but you might end up putting it into practice on your own, once that container ends. Within a 12 month package, you're much more likely to still be in the container while you're practicing those skills, and those strategies, and stuff like that- which doesn't mean you're not going to also do it by yourself once the container ends, but you're gonna have more opportunity to practice it in real time while you have the support.

Sadie Simpson:

If somebody initially signs up for the three months, or even the six months, and they decide they want to continue on, what options do they have?

Naomi Katz:

Yeah, people can absolutely extend coaching at the end. And what we'll do is we will roll over whatever they've already paid into the package into the cost of the next package. So you'll never be like double paying, it'll just roll over into the bigger package.

Sadie Simpson:

That's awesome. I'm sure some folks could get to the end of their three month package and decide they're not done yet, so that's great that there's an option for that. So on your one on one Intuitive Eating coaching page on your website- I was perusing it before this call- and one of the things that I noticed was you mentioned about financial assistance and scholarships. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

Naomi Katz:

Right off the bat, each of these packages has like

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah, I love that. One thing I noticed about extended payment. The three month package can be paid in up to six installments. The six month package can be paid in up to 12 installments. And the 12 month package can be paid in up to 18 month installments. The length of that payment plan will be entirely up to the individual- like you can pay it all upfront if you want, or you can space it out however long within that framework feels good for you and your budget. And because accessibility is really important to me, for every three spots that I fill at full price- not paid in full, but like at that full price over installments- I am going to open one pay what you can spot for folks holding marginalized identities or in financial need. That ratio makes it to where I can offer much lower cost accessibility options, while still meeting my own needs for running a business. You know, where, right now, I definitely am working with people on like pay what you can plans, but like, not in a ratio that's particularly workable. So this- this allows for that to happen more accessibly for everybody. the payment plan, which I really like, is that you're not penalized financially if you choose an extended payment plan. Because, number one, that shit is predatory. And people should not do that. So thank you for not.

Naomi Katz:

Yes. Yeah, absolutely. There's never any difference in cost between pay in full or pay in installments. I think that's bullshit. And we don't do that here.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah, that's awesome. So is there anything else that we haven't talked about that you want to make sure folks know about your one on one Intuitive Eating coaching program?

Naomi Katz:

I don't think so. I think the only thing that people should know at this point is that the doors are open. There are- at least as of the time that we're recording this, which is about a week before it's getting released, and so, obviously, I will update this on, you know, in any communication to be accurate- but three spots are currently open for coaching,

Sadie Simpson:

it was really great to learn more about your coaching program. And I'm really excited about some of the updates that you've made. Because I think that's going to be really helpful, not only for the folks that you work with, but for you. Like you said, you are a business owner, this has to be sustainable for you. So I feel like the the changes that you've made are just going to be really great for everyone. So that's just a win for the world.

Naomi Katz:

Yeah, I'm very excited about it. I think that- you know, it's funny, as much as I teach about, like, honoring your needs, and all of that stuff, like I think there was a while there where I was feeling a little bit like a hypocrite because I was in this like constant state of burnout. And the thing is, I love one on one coaching. You know, like, there's so much business advice out there telling people, like, don't do one on one coaching, it's not sustainable, scale your business, etc. And personally, I don't ever see a time where I'm not going to be doing one on one coaching because I love it so much. And so I had to figure out a way to make it sustainable for me and accessible for the people that I want to serve. And so I really feel like this is that.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah, nice. Well, I am very excited for you and for the folks that will be working with you in the future.

Naomi Katz:

Awesome. Thank you.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah. So with that, what is satisfying for you right now?

Naomi Katz:

I am very satisfied about the fact that you and I are meeting up tomorrow to hang out in person- which, as much as we talk to each other, we don't do that very often. So I'm super excited about that, and about the fact that we're going to be doing some like long term planning for the podcast, and I think that's going to be pretty cool. What's satisfying for you right now, Sadie?

Sadie Simpson:

I am just going to copy what you said. Because I am also very satisfied and excited about us meeting up tomorrow, and hanging out, and planning some future podcast things.

Naomi Katz:

We will enjoy that then.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah. And we'll report back with how awesome and fun it was.

Naomi Katz:

We'll have a beer for all of you.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah. Maybe in the future we'll just have to plan a future Satisfaction Podcast meet up, not only for ourselves, but for some other folks to, like, hang out with us, too.

Naomi Katz:

Oh my gosh, yes. We should absolutely do that.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah. So if you're listening to this, and especially if you're local to the Asheville, western North Carolina area- or even if you're not- send us a message on our Instagram page @satisfactionfactorpod, if you would be interested in an in person meet up one day.

Naomi Katz:

Absolutely. And if you enjoyed this podcast, and if you got something of value out of it, consider leaving us a rating and a review on Apple podcasts or Spotify. That helps us to reach more people and we always appreciate that.

Sadie Simpson:

Yeah. All right. That's it for us this week. We'll see you next time.