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I took the"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9085.08,"endTime":9087.69,"body":"professional programming"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9085.08,"endTime":9087.69,"body":"community economic development"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9087.69,"endTime":9091.41,"body":"in SFU. And Charles Eisenstein"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9087.69,"endTime":9091.41,"body":"was one of the instructors. And"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9091.41,"endTime":9095.58,"body":"I got an eye so I got an early"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9091.41,"endTime":9095.58,"body":"glimpse at that sort of"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9095.79,"endTime":9098.88,"body":"positioning of eco justice"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9095.79,"endTime":9098.88,"body":"movements and and a sort of"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9098.88,"endTime":9102.18,"body":"detachment from reality. 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Plus,"},{"speaker":"Matthew Remski","startTime":9117.87,"endTime":9120.72,"body":"yeah. Plus, plus"},{"speaker":"Matthew Remski","startTime":9117.87,"endTime":9120.72,"body":"intrusive eye contact, probably."},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9120.9,"endTime":9123.15,"body":"Yeah, I'd be sitting"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9120.9,"endTime":9123.15,"body":"there silently, he would look at"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9123.15,"endTime":9126.6,"body":"me. And I'd be like, what's"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9123.15,"endTime":9126.6,"body":"going on?"},{"speaker":"Matthew Remski","startTime":9128.19,"endTime":9130.59,"body":"That's one"},{"speaker":"Matthew Remski","startTime":9128.19,"endTime":9130.59,"body":"thing. I think zoom has has"},{"speaker":"Matthew Remski","startTime":9130.59,"endTime":9133.65,"body":"obviate a little bit. So I think"},{"speaker":"Matthew Remski","startTime":9130.59,"endTime":9133.65,"body":"we can be grateful for that. 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Robin."},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9162.57,"endTime":9165.3,"body":"Joel, thanks so much for joining"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9162.57,"endTime":9165.3,"body":"us and everyone else here today."},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9166.2,"endTime":9168.33,"body":"Your living room party was an"},{"speaker":"Wes Regan","startTime":9166.2,"endTime":9168.33,"body":"inspiration"}]}