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The Farm That Time Remembered — with Larry Smith
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Welcome to Today's Ag. I'm Howard Halderman. Most people in this business talk about preserving agricultural heritage. Today's guest lives inside it. Larry Smith is a Halderman area representative in northeast Indiana — and when he goes home at night, he pulls up to a brick farmhouse that has been standing since 1860. Three owners in 165 years. Four Belgian draft horses. And harness hooks still on the wall right where they were put. Today Larry and I talk about what that kind of continuity means, and how it shapes the way he serves landowners every day.
Hello everyone, and welcome back to today's Ag Podcast, put on by the Halderman Companies. I'm Howard Halderman, president of Halderman Farm Management and Halderman Real Estate, and we're just super excited to be joined today by Larry Smith. Larry is one of our longtime area representatives from up in northwest Indiana, Laporte specifically, and we're going to be talking today about a pretty special award the state of Indiana gives out to farm operations from across the state. It's called the Hoosier Homestead Award. And the state of Indiana, through the Indiana Economic Development Corporation, started this award a number of years ago. They do it in conjunction with the Indiana State Department of Agriculture. And they give out these awards for farms that have been in the family for 100 years, a centennial farm, 150 years, a Susqua centennial farm, or even 200 years. And you got to think about it, Larry. 200 years, that takes you back to what, 20 or 1826, and we were a state in 1816. So uh that really goes back all the way to the beginning of the state, but they give out these awards and it's recognition for a family that has had continuous ownership of that property for that time period, 100 years, 150, or 200 years. And you have to be able to document, I think, continuous ownership in the same family, same family lineage, not obviously the same people. And you normally it has to be more than 20 acres, so a material farm operation, unless the 20 acres produces more than $1,000 of income in a year. So you could qualify a 15-acre farm if it produces $1,000 of income. So I think uh the program started in 1976. Okay. So it's been around a long time, and they have awarded over 6,000 farms with at least the 100 or 150 or 200 year awards. So again, a pretty special award. And this is a little special or close to home anyway for the Halderman companies, because a few years ago, the Indiana Economic Development Corporation then they decided to start the same kind of award for businesses, Indiana businesses that had been in business for 50 years and 100 years. The Halderman companies have been around 96 years. So this was about six years ago that we, my wife and I went down to the State House and we were presented a 50-year award.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02I remember the the kids that night said, Well, Dad, I thought you said we'd been around 90 years. And I said, Well, we've been around 90, not 100. Okay. So we only qualified for the 50 at the time. Uh, but we'll go back here in four or five years and and uh receive the hundred-year award. But it's a real testament, I think, to farms in the case that we're going to talk about today, uh, or businesses that have been around for a long period of time in the state of Indiana. And so I think it's pretty special that the uh Indiana State Department of Agriculture and Indiana Economic Development Corporation do these awards. Here at Halderman, we manage hundreds of farms. You've managed dozens, hundreds of farms in your career. And many of them own multi-generational. Uh, and some have been in a family for a hundred years. But in in what we're gonna talk about today, Larry, is a farm that you know very well because you grew up there. It's your own family farm, the Smith family farm that's been owned for more than a hundred years. And so we'll get into that. Uh, but before we do, I thought it would be good for you to tell the audience how did you get started with Halderman? You didn't start just yesterday. And so, how did you get started with Halderman? And you didn't start where you ended up. Uh you started down in Rushville, as I recall. This predates me, actually, listeners. Um, but he started in Rushville, Indiana, then he moved to Laporte. And so give us a little history.
SPEAKER_00Well, um, after I graduated from Purdue, I uh was in the farm service, farm supply business and uh for several years, and I kind of got the idea that I'd like to do something a little bit different. And so I contacted a um Larry Jordan who was with Haldermans, but also a c colleague of mine at Purdue. He's much, much older than I am, but anyway, uh we live in the same residential house. And then um I was he got me in contact with Robert Halderman, and I came to Wabash, uh, was interviewed by Robert, and then later my wife and I came back, was interviewed by Robert and Janet Holderman, which was probably the custom at that time. But it was a a great um thing for my wife to know that she had value to my job, our job uh in reality, and she has worked uh off and on in my home office uh for several times, set several times. So that's how I came to work with Hollerman, the desire to be in somewhat of a type of business that was mostly my creation or scheduling, I guess I could say. And that was in what year?
SPEAKER_021978. So you start in 1978, and then you did, in fact, start in the Rushville area. Yes. So southeastern Indiana.
SPEAKER_00I was there for about five years, and then uh another person was retiring, leaving the Holderman Company and moving to Florida. And so I was asked to come up there, and uh that fit us really well because uh both closer to Walbeige County, which I'm from, North Manchester area, and my wife's family was over around Goshen, New Paris. So it put us all 100 miles closer to home, and we were having children at that time, and uh everybody's pleased by it, and I enjoyed northwest Indiana.
SPEAKER_02So 1983, yes, you moved to LaPorte, Indiana, and Laporte County. I would argue LaPorte and Northwest Indiana has been one of our strongest areas historically.
SPEAKER_00Long time. I remember your dad telling us about uh some of the farms that I managed at the time, and some of them are still uh with Halderman. Uh were signed up in the early 40s, late 40s, maybe.
SPEAKER_02So, you know, that's almost 80 years of consistent Halderman management on some of those farms. And again, speaking about the legacy of farm operations uh and you know, hundred-year farms, when we've managed it consistently for the same family for 80 years, uh, we then have sometimes the opportunity to help a family receive a Hoosier Homestead Award. Um so getting to your farm, tell us a little bit about the Smith Farm. Okay. How big is it? Where is it, uh, and who bought it originally?
SPEAKER_00Well, um, it was purchased in uh 55 acres of it was purchased in uh 19 1843. 1843 uh by my probably great-great-great-grandfather, and then he passed it on to his daughter and my grandfather and then my parents. Uh but then they've added acreage to it that's contiguous to it now. So that's what we kind of consider the whole farm now. There was 200 acres, and uh it's been part of our family, and um we've uh my folks passed it on to my sisters and I, and we greatly enjoy the ownership of it. Uh it's been uh the the blessing to me has been how much interest my sisters have had in continuing ownership. Uh we formed an LLC several years ago, so that uh it could be traded within ourselves if we wanted to, but basically it was agreed that there was probably no need to ever sell it, and uh we have named the successors, which are grandchild children, um, at this point in time, and that's kind of gonna be the future of the Smith Farm. We've changed the name from to our from our parents' name to uh Smith Heritage Farm for the LLC. So Smith Heritage Farm is 200 acres.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's north of Rowan, Indiana. Oh, yes, yeah. And so this would be in northwest Wabash County. Right. Uh for those of you listening that might be anywhere in the world, uh Wabash County would be SmackDab in the center of north central Indiana. And it is where our headquarters um is located in the county seat of Wabash. So the farm's what, 15, 20 minutes from where we sit today?
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, it's about uh 16 miles, yes. And specifically, it's about halfway between Silver Lake and North Manchester. Uh several renowned cities in Indiana, of course. But uh some of the best.
SPEAKER_02So uh what you grew up on this family farm, and how many generations would it be now, Larry? Are we talking six?
SPEAKER_00Well, uh not as many as you'd think, because uh the family has never gotten married young or had children young. Um I can say I think there's probably maybe five generations, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But still, five generations of ownership, even if they're elongated generations, is is a long time. You're were you born on the farm or born in the hospital? Uh I was born in a hospital at Huntington, yeah. So you're born in a what's your first memory of on the farm? Because you grew up there, right?
SPEAKER_00Yes. Um, I was thinking about that the other day. Um I can remember um standing in the kitchen window looking at my dad uh pitching manure out of the barn into a manure spreader, I can uh uh kind of thing. And um at that time my dad still had a team of horses around. Um he, of course, had a tractor, but uh certain things he did with horses at that time. Um and other memories were um, you know, of course, the family dog and all those kind of things that you grow up with and think about. And I had a sister you're younger. So we uh were quite involved in things around the farm as k as really young kids. Grandparents come in to visit. Um I can remember my paternal grandfather when he still lived and came to visit the farm at that time, which he had sold to my father. And your dad farmed the farm himself. Oh, yeah. My dad's always farmed the farm, yeah. And my grandfather, everybody's always been the active farmer on the farmer that they land. Until your current generation. Until my current generation, yeah. Yeah. I'm a failure. I decide not to be a farmer.
SPEAKER_02So he decided to help a lot of other farmers and farmland owners uh in that process. So this Who's your uh homestead award? How did you become aware of it?
SPEAKER_00Well, my folks told me that they had, I don't remember if they told me they applied it. I guess they told me, I think, but I think really they showed me the sign. Okay. Um I was not living close by at the time, maybe uh at Rushville, and uh my father was very proud of it, and he showed me that sign. He said, we're gonna put that on the barn. And it was on the barn until the barn burned. And I never was able to salvage it after the barn burned. But anyway, uh uh it meant a lot to uh my father and mother, of course, but also um us kids thought that was pretty neat, and uh I think my sisters are aware of the award, and uh we need to reapply again for probably the 150. I don't know if I'll make it around for the 200, but um it won't be that long.
SPEAKER_02It will not be that long. What 17 years? Yeah it will have been in the Smith family for 200 years. That's that's simply amazing. Um do you think have you helped any clients apply for the Hoosier Homestead Award on their farms?
SPEAKER_00I have not. I apologize for that, but um I met with a prospect and you were with me, uh, who said that he would like help in his farm, and we will soon become um involved with that farm, I know. And uh just really realized we've got some other farms that we should be taking time out to help the owner get applied for it.
SPEAKER_02Um so the this award today, they they give it out twice a year. Okay. And one time is at the state house uh down in Indianapolis, and the second time is right now. State fair, yeah. At the state fair. And I know Pat Karst and the Karst family farm. Uh Pat's our one of our vice presidents, he uh and his family went down a couple of years ago to receive the Who's Your Homestead Award for their farm in Huntington County. And and I think the the documentation is that proof of ownership. You have to be able to, through deeds and and deed records show that continual ownership through that whole time period. And in your case, it would have been the 55 acres, probably, uh, that goes back to 1843, and and then you would have had that documentation. And it's more than 20 acres, so you wouldn't have to worry about monetary.
SPEAKER_00I I I guess really is probably a decimal acreage was um also qualified for the uh probably. Uh anyway, so but yes, and uh I went to um our local bank safety deposit box to get that abstract today that uh gave me the exact information, but the bank was closed.
SPEAKER_02We didn't have electricity in the port this morning, so yes, we've uh for those of you that aren't in Indiana, while we're recording this in uh mid-August, we have been subjected to a uh jet stream that is bringing us literally a storm about every four to six hours. And unfortunately, some of them have included a lot of wind, and what Larry's referring to is they had uh almost a Doricho wind event last uh yesterday up in northwest Indiana that knocked some power out, and we've got some other places that uh flooded roads and you can't get through, and uh 10 inches of rain at Winnemac, eight inches at Newcastle, um just some crazy things for the month of August. That's such a wide area, too. It is. Um so you've set up uh the family legacy farm in an LLC. What do you foresee for future generations? Could they sell the farm if they wish, or did you put some restrictions in place?
SPEAKER_00Well, I think that the heirs should have the opportunity to do what's best for them. Uh there would be eight of them, and you never know if there's a hardship situation or uh whatever. I think they should have the right to do whatever they need to do, uh, either collectively, or but they also can um buy sell between themselves too, on it, too. So I would hope that some of them would want to retain ownership of it. And the farm uh that we currently own in the LLC um could easily be divided. You know, there's an 80 on one side of the road and 120 on the other, and um there's some home sites that could be included. And so it's uh probably uh in 20 years from now, or 10 maybe, it will be owned by um the next generation, and uh it's up to them to decide what they want to do.
SPEAKER_02So I I I think uh this would be good great for the listeners to, as you think about farmland ownership, uh your parents owned it as husband and wife. Yes. And they pass it on to their three children. Yes. Uh, and the three of you have set up a family LLC. Yes. Which I think, and this is just Howard's opinion, but I think that's a great way to do it. Um, you have a buy-sell agreement in the LLC, which allows your the three of you, or in the future, these eight heirs, to buy and sell amongst themselves. And you have kind of some rules around how that can be done. And I I think that really helps facilitate that long-term ownership in the family. Uh, and if you have somebody that wants out for whatever reason, they can get out, and and there's a mechanism by which they can do that. And there are those times that we see farmland ownership where it's not that easy. And we get called in to help mm you know mediate sometimes these relationships where maybe it's three people that own it as tenants in common, and the only way you can do anything is if all three agree. Yeah. Yeah. And and so I I think um the LLC, does it you have a manager of the LLC?
SPEAKER_00I think we do have, yeah. Is that you or is that a currently is me, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Currently it's you. Uh, can the manager do things for the farm without the approval of all three owners at this point?
SPEAKER_00Well, yes, I'm gonna say we can from the standpoint of a lease. We have a farm operator, neighbor. Uh, that's kind of interesting too. Uh we have a neighbor, and I'm not going to reveal his age, but my dad started leasing some of the fields to him, and then and then says, Well, use my tractor. Your your tractor's not big enough, type thing. And that person's been farming our farm for and his family for since the kid was probably 18 years old, and I know he's 60 by now, so that's been kind of part of our legacy, too, is uh kept the same operator. And when you say, What can I do as manager? Um, probably about anything from standpoint. We still share a lease on a modified scale, and so you know, I can sell grain and buy inputs and uh negotiate a farm lease without anybody approval.
SPEAKER_02But you probably would not choose to borrow money or sell a portion of the farm unless you had all three in agreement.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I'd have to have all three in agreement, yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So I and again, this gets into a lot of legal work, uh, and I always recommend that you talk to your own legal advisor when you set up an entity like this. Um but it sounds like what you've done is is something that can be flexible. Yes. But at the same time, it's a great vehicle which through which the next generation protects all of us too.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Everybody's protected from a liability standpoint. I think that's a great point. Um, but it gives the flexibility for the next generation or your current generation to buy, sell, get in, or out. Yeah. Um, and and I think that's that's a real smart way to do it. And the ownership is strictly by direct heirs. So they have to be direct lineage of the Smith family. And they uh could you sell shares to an outside party?
SPEAKER_00Uh there is some comments in the uh operating statement. No, no, we can't sell to outside. Okay.
SPEAKER_02So could the buy-sell is purely amongst family members and they have to be direct lineage. Interesting. Yeah, and I I was with uh a farmland owner, very large farmland owner, a few weeks ago, and um they chose to not allow the next generation or future generations to sell the farmland asset. Uh and um that's their own choice, right? They own the farm today. Uh I I tend to agree a little more with you that I think I would let the next generation determine, because you never know. Uh there could be a unique opportunity that comes up that uh is something they want to take advantage of that we can't project at this point in time. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And um they should be able to have that opportunity to to do so. In my management years, I've noticed sometimes we've had heirs of that had uh physical handicaps and or maybe were welfare of of the state, but they still own a farm, and it really took challenge the ownership of what they could not do to it because theoretically they were owned a significant value of assets, but if it became cash, then it was um another matter. Or that sometimes they needed cash to do things. So uh I elect not to be restrictive to the next generation. So the farm, it's two hundred acres. Does it include the home still?
SPEAKER_02No, we've sold the harm home off. Okay. So that's just land. Yeah. Uh how much cropland out of the 200 acres?
SPEAKER_00About 165.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00And then the rest is hardwood timber? Yes, there's a couple woods on it, and uh it's been managed as carefully as possible, too. It's amazing how my parents and grandparents used to harvest maple syrup off of it. And then but theoretically that ruined the value of the maple trees. From a hardwood timber standpoint, right. Because you're tapping into the the wood itself. So um we recently had a family reunion at the farm and we took a wagon ride down through the woods and everything. Um one of the things uh maybe you want to share a little bit later is that I think that people who would like to see the farm transferred to the next generation need to sell the next generation on the idea that the farm not only has been a good investment, but something to have pride in to hold on to. I would say that the eight upcoming heirs of the farm probably think more of the woods than they do the rest of the land, because they've been through it. And uh it's kind of a neat deal, I think, on a tractor-drawn wagon. So um it'll be interesting how that all shakes out, but um uh it's important that the next generation learn to appreciate the farm, not only for income and investment, but just for the pride of family ownership.
SPEAKER_02And I think Larry, I think that's a great point. Uh, how many times we've been involved in managing a farm and we deal with the decision making generation most of the time. I've always encouraged, and we've had I remember we had one family, we had to rent a bus to come out and look at the farm because I think there were 17 family members that own some share of the uh the farm. And I think that's extremely valuable when you start to involve that next generation so that again. They can learn and respect the family heritage and what that asset has meant to their family. In many cases, it was what provided food for the family many generations ago. And so I think having that knowledge and awareness and touching and feeling it really brings about the goal of keeping the farm in the family for a long term from a sentimental standpoint, beyond just the good asset that it is. Have you done any kind of return calculations of what the farm has generated for the Smith family recently?
SPEAKER_00Not in percentage, no. The thing that I think has been unique as any farm would be, the incomes have the dollars of of return and dividends have increased substantially since our ownership of it. Due to the manager, I'm sure. Well, yeah. And uh but uh I've I have two sisters, and uh their comment is, oh, this year, that's more than last year type thing. And then, or they may say, Oh, what'd you do wrong, Larry? Uh it's a little bit less this year. So it's uh created interest in them and the income and the and no demands. Fortunately, no demands. So uh that's the thing that I think is important that people can stand the ups and downs, or most farms are cash-rented now, but we distribute all dividends or all profits are distributed. We have no rede can reinvest in anything on the farm at this point in time. Tile and those kind of decisions have been made and upgraded.
SPEAKER_02So you've completely drained the farm uh appropriately. Uh and uh so some land, some farms might be acquired by a family, and or the next generation inherits, and maybe they desire to do additional drainage or irrigation, or it depends on the situation and where the farm is. Um, and those are all decisions that can be made with by the family within the family. Yeah. So uh that gets a little bit to where do you foresee anything in the future that would be different than corn and soybeans and timber that you're doing today?
SPEAKER_00Probably not. Uh, we're not uh in the data center capital of the world down there like we are at La Porte, number one. And two is we're um say six, seven miles from the nearest towns of North Manchester and Silver Lake. I don't see much development coming that far in our direction. So we're probably gonna remain where they are. Um I I don't really see any residential development occurring, um, though, you know, you want to sell two acres off of a property, there's somebody willing to buy it. Oh, yeah, certainly you could.
SPEAKER_02And um the challenge would be: can you get that much out of a home site as a premium to farmland value? That's a little harder to do sometimes today. Uh, but you're right. So Wabash County does not have enough power to have data center interest. Right. In fact, I uh I was talking to our girl Wabash County director or executive director today, CEO, and she said, Yeah, we we do not have the power. We've not had an inquiry from a data center provider yet. Uh so it it is something that uh who knows what what could happen in the future. But you're right, where your farm's located, it's gonna remain an agricultural use property for a longer period of time. And uh, as you said, you've got it in a position where it's growing corn and soybeans, wheat, it could, and and timber, which hardwood timber in the state of Indiana is a very valuable crop. Yes.
SPEAKER_00What species have you sold out of the woods? Well, I haven't sold any, but we're about getting ready to see. My dad sold some down uh in his retirement years, um, just because he had wanted to, uh thought it was time to do so. And so since um his death and uh my taking over management, we have really um encouraged the growth. We've taken out some invasive species and we've done some things to encourage growth. And I was walking through the woods um this spring, and I just couldn't believe how much trees have grown, how straight they are, young trees, you know, eight, ten inches in diameter, how much that's happened. And I sent pictures out to the family members. Uh is I said, you know, you this is your next dividend twenty ten years from now. We we're still ten years from a timber sales. It uh those type of things uh create interest of people wanting to maintain an ownership, you know. Not saying that every family has uh equal desire to maintain the ownership. We probably do. We probably do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and and I you've got a legacy that goes back almost 200 years at this point. You'd round up to 200. Uh it it I think the the job that you've done, the respect that I know your kids, your three sons, would have for the the farm management that you've done over the years. Uh I just see that that why would they sell? Yeah, it's a very good asset. It probably causes them very little worry at this point. I don't think they worry much.
SPEAKER_00I would imagine they don't. Do you allow any hunting on the property? Yes. Yes, we do. We uh get a fee for hunting, and um, you know, that's important too, not only the fee for it, but when you let somebody hunt your property for for a fee, the hunters on the other farm, neighboring farms, don't enroach typically. There's respect. Yes. So it's a way of protecting our property.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it does. And the deer population is a little less, so it uh it's less damaging to your crops. True, yes. The uh the next summer. So anything else you want to share about the Hoosier Homestead Award or your thoughts on the meaning of that for a farm landowner?
SPEAKER_00Well, I think that um all older, let's say, uh 60 on up landowners should consider what they're gonna do with their farm in the future, but they also should try and instill, if they qu would qualify for the award, is to get it done. It's kind of like um maybe families that celebrate the 50th wedding anniversary and things like this. You know, it marks a tenure of time, and it means that people have um endured the times, is what I want to say. You know, we just celebrated 250 years of the United States. I think back at uh my family's heirs, my grandparents, and before that, what life was like then. You know, I occasionally I think about that and how thrilled they were when they got electricity and things like this that we take for granted, but it was part of their lifestyle, and and they suffered through their depression, two world wars, and my parents did uh as kids, they were. And so uh these things have uh that this land has lasting lasted through all of it. And the in the family uh that operated and own and operate it survived financially. There was no need to decide to go in or be even be enforced into another occupation. And uh so it was a income provider to them. And the thing that I look at land legacy is that um it shows as we can pass a farm on, it shows that the current ownership and passes it on or has the ability to maintain a business. Uh, we know that uh a lot of businesses are as your own is getting ready to be qualified someday for a hundred years. So what does that really mean? To me, it means that the business was successful for several generations, that the succeeding generation has respect for the family that developed it, that they are acquiring the property and taking over ownership, however means they acquire ownership, and it means that they um have the ability to do it. And we know that um not everybody that's going to inherit a farm is gonna want to keep it, but I think that um the current generation of ownership, like ourselves, needs to instill upon our children the value, not only the sentimental value, but the financial ability to own a farm. Um my sisters would say it's nice to get a dividend. And I suppose if we the next eight would say, well, it's nice to get a dividend. May not be real big on that size farm, but it's a dividend, you know?
SPEAKER_02And uh you're you're you don't intend to sell the farm, but from a balance sheet perspective, yeah, farms appreciate a four to five percent a year. Yeah, yeah. And so the value appreciation in that, yeah, I I know that there's been studies done and I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but I think if you put a dollar in the stock market in 1930 and a dollar in farmland in 1930, they're pretty equivalent today. And the stock market's at the all-time high. Yeah. Farmland's at the all-time high. So it's a great asset. It leaves a family legacy. In your case, it provided a living and an ability to survive through very difficult times. The Depression, World Wars, all of those things that you you articulated. So it's uh farmland uh is different than a lot of other assets in that unique attribute that it is a family legacy type of asset. And so many other real real estate assets don't have that, or you don't have quite the sentimental attachment. And I think sometimes that's hard for people who aren't involved in agriculture to understand.
SPEAKER_00So the Indian Sentennial Award is giving, uh, gives recognition to that family, and as heirs, uh gives them something to really think about. My family did this, my family survived. And uh, while the heirs may be farmers, uh, they still maintain the business, or if they're not farming, there's uh still ownership of it, they realize how that investment came about.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I think uh you you said it well when you you talked about the United States celebrating 250 years. Uh we all as a country celebrated in that this summer, and uh how meaningful that is to celebrate our existence as a country and uh the independence that we've enjoyed. Uh, for farmland ownership to have to be in excess of 150 years, nearing 200. Um says a lot of the same attributes. Um I think so. And that that's really a cool aspect. So as we wrap wrap up here, uh I want to thank Larry for joining me today and to talk a little bit about this award. And and I do want to compliment the state of Indiana and the Indiana State Department of Agriculture for continuing to give this award out since 1976. Hopefully, um, if you do have your farm, uh you've had it for a hundred years, you can document that. Um, feel free to reach out to us. We'd be glad to help you navigate that process of getting your farm recognized as a Who's Your Homestead Award winner. And if you have any questions about it, contact uh the main office here at Halderman or reach out to your local area representative. And otherwise, we'll see you next time on today's Ag Podcast here by the Halderman Companies. Thank you.