Meditation - A How To

Dive into this powerful episode of Pagan Coffee Talk, where Oswin and Lord Night explore a unique and deeply transformative approach to meditation focused on inner exploration, subconscious healing, and spiritual development. Unlike traditional meditation methods that emphasize clearing the mind or achieving passive awareness, this discussion introduces an inward meditation technique designed to actively engage your thoughts and unlock deeper levels of self-understanding.

In this episode, listeners will learn how to build a consistent meditation routine, including the importance of choosing the right time, preparing the body, and creating a distraction-free environment. Oswin and Lord Night walk through a detailed, step-by-step meditation process that includes grounding techniques, energy centering through a progression of colors, and entering a personalized “safe space” within the subconscious mind.

This safe space becomes a powerful tool for shadow work, emotional healing, and memory processing, allowing practitioners to revisit past experiences from different perspectives and gradually mature unresolved emotions. The episode explains how childhood memories and trauma can influence adult behavior—and how this meditation method can help reframe and heal those experiences over time.

The conversation also covers essential meditation tips such as overcoming physical distractions, staying mentally focused, journaling insights after each session, and understanding the importance of having emotional or psychological support when engaging in deep inner work. This makes the episode especially valuable for those interested in mental health, mindfulness, and spiritual self-improvement.

As practitioners progress, this meditation technique can open the door to deeper spiritual practices, including connecting with guides, deities, or higher aspects of consciousness—all while maintaining balance through proper grounding techniques after each session.

Whether you’re new to meditation or looking for an advanced, alternative practice beyond guided meditation, this episode of Pagan Coffee Talk provides a comprehensive guide to inward meditation, subconscious exploration, pagan spirituality, and personal transformation.

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SPEAKER_02 0:37

Welcome to Second Coffee Talk. I'm Oswin, and I have with me Lord Knight. Today, let's talk about meditation.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Considering the last podcast we did on meditation, uh that's like our number one podcast there.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Right. We've had some interest in this topic, and I thought it would be good to cover some basics of what our meditation is and to kind of give people an idea of what to do and how to do it. Sounds easy enough, don't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Sounds easy enough. All right. So first of all, let's understand that this meditation is different than the normal meditations most people are used to. You know, most people are used to that transcendental type of meditation. You know, where you sit there, clear your mind, try to clear your thoughts, and all this other stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Right. You're actually trying to attain that higher level of um deity connection.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Enlightenment or something to that effect. Right. And which, you know, we've argued for quite a some time now that this is not necessarily the best way to do this. Or the only way. Right. Definitely not the only way. So let's see. So our meditation's an inward meditation. Where we actually try to think instead.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

Okay. So we're not we're not actually letting our thoughts, we're not trying to push our thoughts out.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Right. We're not just going through them in a glimpse in a whatever on fast forward, whatever. We're literally diving into these thoughts. Follow them out repeatedly until we've covered every base we can. Okay. Think about it like this. If you have a problem, don't matter what it is, let's say you're trying to fix something, you would literally sit there and meditate and go through all the possible things that could be wrong before ever touching the machine. Okay. It gives you a chance to think about these things. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, to do this meditation, first of all, you we've got to take care of some stuff. You gotta take care of all physical needs. All right, there is one physical need you need to take care of before meditation for most adults. If you happen to have that feeling. Do it. Wait about 30 to 45 minutes, then do your meditation. You know, if you get hung if you're hungry, eat, make sure you eat something light salad or something, so within 30 minutes, you can actually do this meditation. We basically tell everybody when we're training for this is that either you want to meditate at sunrise or sunset. But the more important thing there is to pick a time.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Right. You need to pick a time and stick to it same time every day.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Right. Same channel, same time. Can we even get away with that? Or is that copyright?

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Um I think it's copyrighted.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Same time, same place, every time. Every day. If you happen to miss a day, just get right back on that horse and go and do it again. The very next day, or as soon as you can remember or get a chance to do it. Roughly it's gonna take about three months to first get used to actually meditating. Right. Now sitting because every time you sit down at first it's gonna be you're gonna get an inch here. Your nose is gonna itch, your eyes are gonna itch, your your your your butt's suddenly gonna itch. Mm-hmm. All right. Your best bet is when that happens, tell your body to sit down and shut up. Because our bodies are sort of um they desire input. If they don't get it, they'll force you to have input. Absolutely. All right. So either they do want some type of touch or m activity or motion. What you gotta learn is how to push those feelings aside and tell your body to sit down and shut up, not your thoughts themselves.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Right. If you've ever been a band geek, like I was in marching band, we had a military-style band. And so we were not we were not allowed to scratch or anything. We were not allowed to wipe sweat from our face. You had to learn to overcome that.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

And it takes time.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

It takes a lot of time.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Now I'm sure compared to when you first started to do that to when you finally graduated from high school, by the time you graduated, it was a piece of cake. Pretty much, yeah. Probably couldn't do it now to save your life.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

Not on a daily basis, unless unless I'm meditating.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Well, you know, you ain't done it in a while, so Right. The main point here is, yeah, you've got to be in the right mindset to start this. Because your meditation actually starts beforehand. So once you got your spot, once you got your time, and you got your checklist done and all your physical needs taken care of, go into the bathroom, take care of any other needs you might have. You're gonna sit down with some loose clothing and you're actually gonna try to actually start your meditation.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

So And yes, you do want to sit down. You don't want to do this laying down.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

No, you don't.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

That's gonna that's gonna create havoc when you try to go to sleep.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Trust me. That that comes from experience on my part. Do not do this laying down. Sit in the chair if you got to. You do not have to sit on the floor in some lotus position with your you know, ankle behind your head and breathe through your eyeballs type situation.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

This is not sit down, get comfortable. Right, just be comfortable. Maybe put on some music that does not have vocals. All right, and if you can find somewhere where it's just music or sounds or nature sounds with some music over top of it, to me this seems to work the best. I can't say nothing. I know Lord Lord Nikita Foxfire used to meditate to Metallica.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

I think Lord Raceland did too.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Yeah, I I never could. So some people can, and if you can, go for it.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

Yeah, I could.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

You might want to let some incense because again, you do want some stimulus there for your body. Music incense, so that way you can smell the incense and hear the music. This helps to keep, as we believe, the soul in the body so it can work on its own things instead of going out into the universe. It sort of helps you keep somewhat grounded in this reality to start off with. So I'm gonna tell you what to imagine as you go through. This isn't necessarily a um guided meditation like everybody's used to. But you're gonna sit down, you're gonna imagine roots coming out and anchoring you to the ground. This is still a style of grounding, but this is a style is to keep your soul from exiting your body. With me so far?

SPEAKER_02 8:20

Yeah, you don't want to go floating off right somewhere into the atmosphere.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Then you're going to center yourself by imagine some light around the solar plexus in the center of your body, growing and surrounding you. When that light first comes, it's a white light, then it's going to transform it through the colors through the rainbows, ending in violet. So you're going to go through the.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

So that's red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

And violet. Okay. Then once that once you get the violet, the light dissipates, and you'll find yourself on a path. You'll walk down the path a little way, and you'll normally notice a tree that's a little bit different than the others, probably a little bit bigger or older, and it's going to wind up having some funky symbol on it that you've never seen but recognize. That's your symbol. You might not find it anywhere else but in this meditation.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

Okay. So it's uh it's completely unique to you.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Right. It's like your signature or your fingerprint or whatever. All right. When you touch it, that symbol normally turns into a doorway, in which you then begin to proceed down twenty-one steps. As you step off that last step onto that 21st step, you'll actually step through a door. Now this is where things get a little weird for us. When you step through this door, you're going to be in what we call a safe space, as I roll my eyes. But this safe space is a real safe space. All right? Imagine it as a a bubble of order in the chaos of your subconscious.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

I think that's an appropriate uh analogy.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Right. When you're in this spot, you are actually your your consciousness is in your subconsciousness and it creates this space. Nothing can get in, nothing can get out without your permission. This is like your house, whatever. The strangest thing is it could be a forest, it could actually even be a uh a cave, it could actually even be a house. I know some people do warehouses for some reason. It's just what their subconscious do.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

Right. It's uh it's basically wherever you feel safe. It could be uh a place from your childhood that you've recreated, it could be something completely new. Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

And it needs to be so safe that, you know, remember when you were a kid and you actually like put your head underneath the covers and you felt so safe in a spot that you've relaxed enough to where in the world uh you suddenly had to pee? Oh yeah. That's the kind of safety we want to get to. That's the type of relaxing we want to get to. To where, you know, muscles that normally are tense start to relax too. Hence the reason you want to use the bathroom before you meditate. Nothing worse than getting all the way into your meditative state and starting to relax and going, oh now I've got to pee.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Right. Or realizing too late that you have to pee.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Now, what I normally tell people is somewhere in the safe space, you're gonna make a a room or a well or something. This is under your control. All right. Completely under your control. Just like the dog. So if you're look using like a well or something, when you look in a well, you might see bubbles popping up. The bubbles are actually memories from your subconscious. You should be able to reach in, pick them up, and and literally dive into those memories to relive them either as from your viewpoint from when you were when you experienced this, or even as a third party outside. It depends on you know where in the world your subconscious and your conscious decides it's the safest place for you to start observing some of these uh memories. Okay. In other words, if it's more traumatic, you might actually see it like a person watching a TV show.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Okay, that makes sense. All right. You'll see it. That way you're not that way you're not completely involved in that.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Right. Because again, all right, here's our problem is when we have these memories and stuff as kids, we have them as kids. We hold them in our memories as a kid. So if you experience something four years old and you start to relive it or look back at it, you're gonna remember it and live it as if you were still four years old.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

So that's not gonna it's not it's not gonna manifest as an adult.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

As an adult. So, you know, somebody's gonna manifest. Right. Somebody's mom died as a kid and they were like four or five years old and they really didn't understand what was going on at the time. Might find these very traumatic, but watching it this way as a third person, if you need to, starts to make you realize, okay, that's it wasn't what I thought it was. And then eventually once you get used to it, you'll be able to experience as a kid at that age again, and then it starts to be able to mature. You'll start to be able to view it as more of an adult than as a kid.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

All right, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

That's one where we have to keep on sometimes revisiting these because again, if it's something that happened at five, it's gonna have to, okay, I need to experience this as a teenager. I need to experience this that was a preteen, then a teenager, then in my twenties, and now at my current age. Right. So it takes a while for these memories to mature.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

It's kind of like that way it is a maturing, you you're viewing it from different times in your life.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Right.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Now again And learning something different from it.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

From that age point of view, because as our as we grow up, our point of view about things start to change because we start understanding other things.

unknown 14:42

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Well, a five-year-old kid might not understand that mommy passed away from cancer or something like this. Their only thought is my mommy left me.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

Right. But a teenager will see it a little differently.

unknown 14:54

Right.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

And a twenty-something will see it differently than a teenager.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

That's just a different stage of your life.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Well, and see, and as long as we leave these memories unmature, we keep on behaving in that age range. Make sense? So if we if so if so if something traumatic happened and then you and then something in your life reminds you of that, you're gonna act like that age because that's exactly where everything's going to go back to.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

So, like if suddenly a friend of yours dies, right? Because of the death and everything, you suddenly start acting like a four-year-old, your emotions start acting like a four-year-old again or five-year-olds. Even though you might be thirty something. It's because the first time you experienced this was with your mom when you were a kid.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Right, so you're reliving it as a four-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

Or five-year-old or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Instead of as an adult. And then here's where we get psychological problems because again, something we experience as a kid, and something then the the similar circumstances might happen as an adult. The two informations on this might start to argue with each other. The five-year-old again is still sitting there thinking, okay, my mommy left me, but the adult in you is like, but she passed away. It wasn't her fault. Why do I s why am I still mad at her? Because you're still experiencing it as a four-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Right. You have to get to the point where that four-year-old understands what happened. Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Right, in your memory. So that's where in the world this meditation comes out. And you can do it in a safe spot. If you want to stop, you stop. If you don't want to do if a if a memory becomes too traumatic, you can just stop what in the world you're doing whenever you want. But then on the other hand, doing it this way, your subconscious and your conscious will start to kind of work together and it will only give let you explore memories it knows you can handle now. Right. And if anything So in other words, when you first start this, no, you're not going to suddenly hit the most traumatic thing, first off. It's gonna be a bunch of small little stuff first.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Until you start until it's starting to say, until you finally got the confidence, okay, now we can start tackling the bigger stuff.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

Right. But now my suggestion is that at any time during your meditations, because this is what's gonna happen, you need to have somebody that you can turn to. You need to have somebody that you can talk to, whether it's a friend, a counselor, a therapist, I mean if you if a pastor, it doesn't matter. You need to have somebody you trust.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

Oh, most definitely. There's gonna be a lot of psychological trauma there, and you're gonna want to talk to somebody.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Right. And even if you don't want to, you're gonna need to.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

You know, I'd even go as far as to say, you know, if you get a a therapist just to talk to, so you know they're not gonna like go run their mouth, that's fine. That makes perfect sense to me. Absolutely. But you know, when you come out of meditation, write down what you experienced then, what you felt, what you saw, what colors, and then you need to sit down and actually talk to that therapist about this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

To do this meditation, you have to have emotional and mental support around you.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Yes. I mean, too many times we've had students come back to us just in a complete emotional mess because of something that popped up in their meditations.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Oh yeah. Because again, this is one of them things I'm gonna tell you that during this style of meditation, if you're doing this, issues you might have thought you've already dealt with might come back up. Issues you didn't know you had will come up. Oh yeah. But eventually it will get to the point where your shit cup is empty, you've gone through all your trauma, you've cleaned out your house, and you're gonna be sitting here one day, either, you know, looking at a bookshelf that you imagine all your your memories in, or uh well that could you where all your memories come up, and there's not gonna be anything there. You're gonna go through everything you've need to go through.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Well now once that starts to happen, you can start inviting things in. You can invite elementals in, sit down and talk to them, angels, sit down and talk to them, your guardians or spirit guides. To make it even better is once you're actually in that state and you're used to this and you've pretty much cleared out all the cobwebs out of your head and all your, you know, garbage that you have in your head, and you got a nice clean head to invite people in, deity, to sit down and actually have a conversation with them. To worship them, maybe even give them a little bit of praise, do a prayer, do it in the meditation. Right. If you have thought forms guarding your house, this is the best time to sit there and imagine sitting across from them and you giving them pieces of your life force energy.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

Right, re reinforcing that thought form.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

Right. And doing it in a meditative state, see, this makes it even better because you're sort of halfway there anyway. You're more in the spiritual realm here. That means that these prayers and stuff will get there even better if done in meditation.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Now, coming out of the meditation, you do the same thing but backwards, go up the stairs, go up the r you know, go up your path to where in the world you started from, then go back through your colors from purple back to red, back to white. Let that light sink back into you, pull those roots out of the ground. Wake up and start to move around. Things you need to watch out for. If you find yourself bumping into things or being slightly distracted or not very observant, you're not grounding enough once you come out.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

No, you're talking not inside of your meditation, but outside of your meditation.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

After you've left meditation, we still have to ground. You're gonna have excess energy there, and this grounding is to get rid of that. Either eat something, eat something heavy. Pasta, meat, meat does for me and what I've seen over the years, meat does the best because it requires the most energy to process.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

Right. We're talking red meat. We're not talking like a high protein like chicken or fish or something.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

We're talking something really hard to digest. If you can't do that, go for a walk. Do not have sex. This will cause a the the chemicals in your brain to throw you farther into that spiritual realm and becomes even more dangerous. Because again, not grounding properly on this yet. I could see where somebody could actually walk out in the middle of the road and get hit by a car by not paying attention because part of their mind's still over in the spirit realm.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

Oh, yeah. Well I mean we actually had a s had a a student at one point who that's all they wanted to do was stay in that meditative state and it became completely obvious every time we saw them.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:13

And we had to tell them you can't function in this world like that.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

No. No, I mean again we're we're bringing back into that spirituality, which is nothing more than that taking us father father into the chaos.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

You know, because uh a lot of people seem still seem not to understand this. Imagine our world, our ordered world, and how we can pretty much predict certain things. We know the sun's gonna rise tomorrow, planets and stuff like that. Think about uh one of the bubbles in uh in soda, like Coca-Cola or something in a glass. The Coca-Cola is chaos. The bubbles are ordered. And the bubbles are moving through the chaos. So we have to separate these two. When you're here, you have to be here, your body still has to eat and do some certain other functions. And you can't do that if you got half too much of yourself over in the spiritual realm after meditating.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

All right.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Makes sense. Oh yeah. Well, I mean, it does us. Other people might be looking at looking at us going, what the hell are they talking about? Keep a diary, see what in the world happens. Do not exceed 45 minutes. Does it mean you gotta start at 45 minutes? I'm what, five minutes?

SPEAKER_02 23:43

Yeah, I would say when you're starting out, start with like five minutes, work your way up to ten minutes.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

And and of course that's gonna vary for people, so if you need to do five minutes for two weeks, go for it. If you need to do it for a month, go for it. There's no you have to go at your pace. Right. You can't go at somebody else's pace. Roughly speaking, within three months to six months, most of the people I know can that do this meditation will eventually learn how to as soon as they sit down, they're already in that meditative safe space because they know how to feel and they no longer go through that whole entire after the grounding going through the rainbows and going down the stairs.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Right. And again, eventually, you know, within a year's time. Well within a year's time, you're gonna start craving it.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Oh God, yes. I'm sorry, I keep on seeing where these guided meditations are a hindrance because people think they can't meditate without them. Once you learn that feeling, once you're able to get to that safe spot and you have that meditative feeling, as soon as you sit down, you don't need to do that anymore. You don't need to walk through there. So why do it? This is just a technique to train you to show you what it feels like when you are in a meditative state.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

Make sense? Right, and if you're if you're constantly doing a guided meditation, then you're not allowing yourself to explore.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

You're doing what somebody else wants you to do.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

Right. You're not allowing yourself to explore what's in your head. I mean, it's just plain and simple.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Right. It becomes a handicap. You just need to learn one guide to meditation until you learn a feeling. Think about it this way. If you Okay, big comic book geek here, alright. It's the same thing that they talk about when they're when they're like the X-Men and the mutants and stuff, when they're training people to use their power.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Remember back when you first used your powers, what was going through your mind? How did you feel at the time? Recreate that to cause the trigger. Once they experience that enough times, once you experience that enough time, you learn how to trigger, to flip that trigger without having to go through a terrible memory. Absolutely. Same thing with meditation. Once you learn that trigger on how to get there, you no longer have to do a guided meditation. You can just sit down, go into a meditative state, and do what you need to do. Forty-five minutes, come out, go on with your life. This is the only daily meditation. This is the only daily thing you need to do. Doing your cards, burning incense, or anything like that ain't needed. There's no use to having your whole entire life wrapped up into the fact is that you're too busy lighting candles for fifty billion deities, and you ain't got time to meditate. You got time to do a, you know, a card a daily card reading or pick a card each day, but you don't have time to sit down and meditate. If you meditate, I don't see where you'd need to do the card readings. And as far as now, as far as actually interpreting what you see in your meditation, we've already talked about that. You just go back to what in the world we talked about on Devination, it works for the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Right, but the biggest thing is keeping a journal.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Keeping a journal and going through this stuff. I think that's all I gotta say on this.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

I think that pretty well wraps it up.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

And I think I'm out of coffee. I guess we'll see y'all next week.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

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SPEAKER_00 27:58

We travel down the strodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by steel blazing fire. And still it is the end of our days, so off with me till morning break. And still it is the end of our days, so lost with me, till you're just gonna be able to do it.