The Astral Plane or Flying for Free

Join Lord Night and Oswyn as they discuss what is the astral plane. They will ask questions like "What is the astral Plane?", "How do you get to the astral plane?", and "Are there any dangers on the astral plane?". 

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SPEAKER_02 0:37

Welcome to Second Coffee Talk. I'm Oswin, and I have with me Lord Knight. Let's talk about the astral plane.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Really? Okay. We can talk about the astral plane. What would you like to know about it? Well, what is it? How do we get there? I know it's a few answers. Right? The astral plane is a plane that really doesn't exist. I honestly believe that the astral plane is more of a virtual reality. If all of humanity was gone, it would disappear. Oh, okay. So it's sort of like it's it is it's fueled by our subconscious. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Yeah. I mean, for it's instead of it being like a different plane of existence that's going to be there regardless. If we're not here, it's not here.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Right. Because we make it. All right. Because you hear people doing the whole astral or the um, you know, leaving the body, going to astral travel, and and all that OBEs, out-of-body experiences. Well, these people can walk among this world like that, but I think they're on the astral plane, and this is more like augmented reality. Okay. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 2:06

A little bit.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

You're actually on the astral plane, it's just you're perceiving it as this world.

unknown 2:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

All right, because if we think about it this way, the astral plane is somewhere only souls can go. That your soul leaves your body and goes onto this astral plane. Make sense so far?

SPEAKER_02 2:26

All right. So you're not.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it. All right. Doctor Strange, the mirror universe.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

Oh think about it like that. Yeah, good analogy.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

All right. Because again, you can still see this world reflected in it, but it's not subject to the rules of this world's physics.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

So even though, because I believe, you know, when you're on the astral plane and you're out there and you're visiting your grandmother's, you know, and on the other side of the world, whatever, in this astral form, that you're still on the astral plane, it's just you're seeing this world overlaid on top of it. You're not actually 100% here.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

You know, and I and I believe, you know, that way, you know, when you when people do this and you get that cold chill because somebody's come to visit you like that. No, that's just the energies that are working there. And you're slightly picking it up on the in the back of your mind to give you cold chills.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

So someone who's not, say someone who's not astral projecting can feel if somebody visits them.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Yeah, because they're overlaid on top of one another and only like maybe separated by a real thin membrane, you can feel that energy field.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

Make sense?

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

You know, it's not that pronounced, it's just that, hmm, you know, you just start thinking about somebody, or you get that goosebumps or that annoying thing, like somebody's staring at you. Okay. I and it's hard to explain, but you know, I I I figure this is how this does that. Because I honestly and truly believe that if the soul separated, completely was separated from their body, like during death, that it's actually temporarily exposed to this world. And that this world in its entirety, like me and you sitting right here, right now, right, if there was a soul here, it would sort of degrade it. Kind of like this world's toxic, the souls. So if you're not in a shell, or if you don't have that shell with you, you can't access the astral plane. And if you do leave your body and it's here, I think it's sort of like this world's a little toxic for souls. Hence the ones that do stay, why in the world they try to like feed off all the energy they can.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

All right, I can hear the dog too. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Is any of this making sense what I'm saying there?

SPEAKER_02 5:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Because I honestly don't believe that souls, this is not their natural habitat that we're in right now.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

Okay, but now when you astral project and you say the soul leaves the body, right? But this world is toxic to the soul, right? So when the soul leaves the body, is it instantly transported to the astral plane? Yeah. Or is it like a journey and there's like a period, small period of time and space where it's not.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

I think in about about the best way I can describe it, if you only understood how hard it is to get this out of your head sometimes, that the astral plane literally is just like this big membrane stretched across this world that allows the soul to be separate. Now, I believe on death, it temporarily is exposed to the real part of this world, you know what I mean? Only long enough to transfer to somewhere else.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

But if you're doing it like you like you said, uh uh OBE or whatever, I think we just automatically slip into that dimension.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

It's not something I think you could do on death. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Right. Now that that may be a different topic, but I do have a question. On death, does the soul immediately leave the body? I guess the question is, is it separated from the body? Or is it tethered and it waits for that tether to degrade and then leave?

SPEAKER_01 6:53

What we believe is the soul doesn't necessarily settle or 100% connect to the body until that first breath. And the opposite is true. On that last breath, that tether lets go.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Okay, so it's immediate.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

So it's immediate.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

As soon as the body dies, that tether is severed and the soul is gone.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

And see, and I think I think the gods were clever by doing this because this was, I think, was supposed to urge us to go ahead and cross over as soon as possible.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

You know what I'm saying? Because it wasn't a pleasant, I don't think it's a pleasant thing to for ghosts or spirits to actually be here. Like probably not. Just to me, it just seems like a languishing death for them if they're stuck here.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

You know, it's not funny, but it is.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

It's not gonna be very pleasant.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

It's not gonna be pleasant, and it's gonna be worse than that sunburn you had.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Oh right. Or that rash.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

They had an ointment for that.

SPEAKER_02 7:58

They did, didn't they?

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Now, now what's funny is when you're on the astral plane, okay? Let's say you're out on the astral plane and you meet a Christ-like figure.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Right. See, that that was gonna be my that was gonna be one of my next questions.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Go ahead. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's Christ, because we perceive when we're on the astral plane, we perceive things only in contexts that we can understand.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

All right, so we might meet a familiar face.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

And then not look like a familiar face. You can meet somebody in on the astral plane, they could look more like a a house cat or a dog or possibly, you know, a lion or a bear, even a tiger, you know, or a um dragon.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

But yet it would it might not be any anyone or anything that we're familiar with.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Right.

SPEAKER_02 9:00

There's but they're coming to us. We perceive it, or we have inadvertently gone to them. Right. And they're giving us something that we can relate to.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

No, you're doing it to yourself. When you run across something that lives out on the astral plane, right? Uh-huh. You perceive it in a way that you can understand it. You do it to yourself. So if you meet a being out there that you would associate, or the feeling or the energy it gives off, you associate with Christ, it would look like Christ to you, however, your vision of Christ is.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

All right. If you have more of a if you had a more affinity for Buddha, it would look like a Buddha to you. It would talk like a Buddha to you because this is the way you can understand what it is.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

All right. So it doesn't necessarily it's not the work of the being. No, it's the work of yourself.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Okay. These beings don't have to hide themselves. Even even viewing other souls that are like just astral projecting out there, you might perceive these people in a different way than you would in their normal human form. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Yeah, because I mean if we if we look at it's kind of like tuning into a radio.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

Right? To a specific frequency, only difference is it's your brain. It's your brain. And your brain's tuning in the radio so that you can so that your consciousness can relate to whatever it is you're seeing.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Right. So I mean, again, just because you meet again, like I said, that Christ-like being doesn't necessarily mean it's Christ, it just means it's on the same spiritual level as what you would associate with Christ.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Right. Which makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Right. And so if you think about it this way, you know, you might have like two people looking at the same being. You might see Christ. I could see the dogda.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

Right. Or it might be Mother Mary, or it could be Bridget, could be right.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Somebody else could, you know, somebody else could be there and seeing it, and it could look like to them like a rhinoceros.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

You know, who am I to say, you know, hey, yeah, that's the right way to view it. Uh no, it's your own head, so there ain't nothing I can do about that.

unknown 11:22

Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

It's just how you do it. Yes, the rhinoceros is your god, and that's how you perceive it. I'm so sorry. But just go with it. You do you both.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Go with it. That's another reason why journals are a good thing, not just for dreams or your meditations. It's good for stuff like this as well.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

Well, yeah, I mean, because once you start understanding these things and the way you view stuff, it starts to open up a different world because this is still using that same technique that we did in Devination. Right. It's just your brain's doing it, your subconscious is doing it automatically for you.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

And you just have to figure out the details.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Right. And that's it.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

That's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

Because if you wanted to think about it this way, yeah, what we're talking about is sort of like the TARDIS's being able to translate languages for people instantaneous.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Everybody hears their language, and we've realized that everybody's actually speaking different languages. Did I just send you over the edge there?

SPEAKER_02 12:36

Maybe just a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Stop it now.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Oh God, here he goes again. No, it's fine. Those are, I mean, those are good analogies.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Well, I mean, I can't think of any other way to explain what in the world we're talking about. Again, this is your subconscious, so if you're perceiving something weird and you think it's weird, oh no, well, that's just you, so right.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

You just gotta remember it's your subconscious, not ours. So you figure it out. Well, then, question uh of I know some people are probably curious about is there a way that you can make yourself experience the astral plane? Is there a way to easily get there, or is it just something that randomly happens?

SPEAKER_01 13:30

You know, again, go on groan, everybody. Yes, if you're doing your meditations, roll your eyes now. Look, he actually made it through two episodes before mentioning it again. I know that's a record. But yeah, daily meditations. If you're doing those daily meditations and you're going through your garbage and all that in your head and you're going through your issues, it's going to be a whole lot easier. Right. Okay. Than someone who don't.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

But now, does that mean that everybody can do it?

SPEAKER_01 14:11

No. Well, and again, just because you can't do it doesn't necessarily a good or bad thing either. It just might mean, hey, it's you're a little too advanced for it, or you're not far enough along for it. Everybody keeps on forgetting, not everybody's in the same spot.

SPEAKER_02 14:31

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

Again, we've talked about it before. We got these people out there, and all they want to do is spells. And then we got some people, and they're like me, and they're they're more worried about the religious aspects of this.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Everybody's in different spots. Maybe it comes with age. Maybe I'm just getting too old.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

Maybe. Who's to say?

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Well, you know, and you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Yeah, you just don't old and crotchety.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Old and crotchety. Get off my lawn. But I mean, that's the astral plane. Getting there, yeah, you do your meditations, and eventually it sort of works.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

Is there is there an easier way to do it? I mean, like, do you fall asleep, do you do you lay down with a particular goal in your head as you go to sleep? Or you know, saying a chant?

SPEAKER_01 15:32

I've I've heard this a bunch of times and I've seen it a bunch of times out there. So soapbox time, I guess. There ain't no damn easy way in craft to do jack shit. You either get you either get into your subconscious, you dig through that little muck of yours, and deal with yourself. There ain't no use to thinking about anything else until you do that. Until you decide, you know, hey, here's my ethics and morals. I will not drop below this. Because there's nobody there to sit there and say, now behave.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

All right. Well, I just thought I'd ask because I know that question's gonna float around.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Well, I mean, I I know it is too, but there's nothing easy. That's for damn sure. All right. We we are told or asked when we're initiated, are we willing to suffer to learn? And trust me, we suffer. I know that's right. I mean, I have seen some people break underneath the uh, you know, break one moment and build themselves right back up the next, right? Over and over and over again. You know, these people that do dedicate themselves and you know, start to get these degrees and stuff, they deserve some respect.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

No, I agree. Well, that's not to say if you know, if if you're not studying and you're not getting your degrees, that's not to say you don't deserve respect. But just know that people who are getting their degrees, they're working for that shit.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Well, I mean, but then on the other hand, I mean, the opposite's true too. I'm sorry, if you're going around with a title or a second or third degree or whatever, you better know what in the world you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Oh, absolutely. You know, you're gonna be challenged.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

You're gonna be challenged.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

People will challenge you. Yeah, they're gonna expect you to know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 17:31

I mean, don't get me wrong, I knew when we started to do this, there's gonna be a lot of people that get upset about a lot of the stuff I say. Because we are a very traditional group. We believe it takes a witch to make a witch. We believe in these ethics and morals, we believe we have to hold ourselves to these standards. There's these laws that we have to follow. We have to do our rituals. Right. We have to do our daily meditations, we just do it.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

You know, I mean, at this stage of the game, our tradition, we've we've always explained it as it's not that you are a part of the religion. The religion is a part of you. Well, I mean, that's like people ask what we live daily.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

That's like these people that keep on going around and asking, you know, different questions. You know, well, how did you come to the religion? I didn't come to this religion. It came up to my door, beat it down, pulled me out, and said, You're gonna do this shit. Right. You ain't getting no choice.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Grabbed you by the arm and said, Come on.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Grab me by something else, I think, half the time. Surprised I'm not going around sounding like what one of the Vienna Boys choir. I won't go there. Your guys might, yeah, your gods might come get you by the neck, but mine don't. Yeah, grab me somewhere else. You know, that's about as bad as what is that? The butt prints in the sand. Oh, yeah. Love that. Oh, wonderful piece of wisdom. If I ever heard one, it is.

SPEAKER_02 19:12

If you haven't read it, you need to go look it up. Butt prints in the sand. Oh, god. Any other thoughts on the astral plane that you'd like to throw out there?

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Well, no, not really. I mean, pretty much I think the astral plane is pretty harmless. I'm sorry, a mouse runs across your leg, you'll automatically go right back to your body in like two seconds.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

All right. Well, so that statement that it's pretty harmless brings up another question. Is it a safe space?

SPEAKER_01 19:48

No.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Is it where while you're there, nothing can harm you because basically you created it anyway.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

No, I'm not I'm not gonna say that. It is a realm you could get get hurt, but it ain't no worse than going to the grocery store.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Okay, so the potential's there. You just have to be aware of your surroundings and all that other stuff.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

And which you pretty much, and again, it seems like the body and the soul's automatic reaction to danger there is to automatically shove, you know, to go jump right back into its body. It's for that soul to be yanked right back. Ah nope, we're gonna get back into our head. We're gonna get back where it's safe.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Right. And it's gonna be it's gonna be more like a shove or a vacuum.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Right. I know it's gonna be more like that, you know, that that cord that actually binds you to your body just became a rubber band, and you're in this like maximum thing. Right. You're gonna be slung back in there. You're gonna be sitting there on the floor going, what the hell? What was that? What was that? Oh my god. Suddenly out of nowhere, and then bang, I'm back in my body. What the hell? Right. Back in my little safe space for my meditations. Like I said, no, it's not dangerous, but it is. Be, you know, mindful of your surroundings. Go out, journey, have fun with it. Just don't take anything you see there too serious.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

I I don't know how else to say that.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

I mean, it's just I had another question though.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

Um, while you're out on the astral plane, your physical body here is unattended. Right? Yeah. Is it possible to be possessed by whatever demon, ghost, poltergeist, whatever?

SPEAKER_01 21:54

If you're doing your daily meditations, and we talked about protection to begin with, right? You're never gonna get past that psychic aura shield of yours.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

I mean, I hate to be that way.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Alright. So there's prep work. There is prep work is your daily meditations, clearing out the muck.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

And that that should set up your your your field, your s your protection barrier, your aura, if you will. Right. Yep. And all of that should prepare you for travel to the astral plane.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Right. Now don't get upset if you don't go. It ain't that big of a deal.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Right, because you may not be ready for it. You may be right.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

You might have more stuff that it that you Right. You might be past it and there's more stuff you need to learn on this instead of going to go play out in the astral plane. There could be a thousand reasons why. You might just need to move a little bit farther along your spiritual path.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Right. And then while you're there, be aware of your surroundings. Um, because it's not completely harmless. No. Mostly harmless. But it shouldn't be any more dangerous than going to the grocery store. I don't think so. Mostly harmless.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Mostly harmless. You and what, what, what? Go on. Tell me, what was that a reference to? Nothing. A reference to the Hitchhiker's God to the galaxy. Mostly harmless. See? You got two words.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

I was trying to avoid that.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

People are gonna be sitting back going, oh my god, this is what happens when y'all let them off the hook. Pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 23:55

Welcome to our world.

unknown 24:00

Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Well, I think that's about it.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

Yeah, I think that pretty well covers it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

All right. All right, no problem.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

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SPEAKER_00 24:27

We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a steel blazing pyro. And so it is the end of our day. So walk with me till morning break. And so it is the end of our day. So walk with me till morning.