Micro-labels

Join us as we discuss micro-labels and their implications. The discussion leads to an explanation of one of Lord Night's recent encounters with some YouTubers and wrestling with moral dilemmas. Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/MdcMwqUjPZ

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SPEAKER_01 0:28

Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk. Here are your hosts, Oswan and Lord Knight. So today's topic, we're going to talk about microlabels.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

And what do we mean by micro labels? Well, micro labels are all of these that are coming out nowadays. You know, I'm a green witch, I'm a chaos witch.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Yeah, I'm I'm a purple fairy, dragon witch, tooth fairy, loving uh two hours later you're still listening to this. This is the description of somebody's personality.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

You know, I'm I'm sorry if you can't communicate, you know, your personality just by, I don't know, having one.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Well, the the whole phenomenon with the micro labels, that's it's something that's popped up in just recent years because I don't know why everybody suddenly has to identify as all these different things. Right. Whatever happened to the days of I'm a witch.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

I I I don't know. I mean back in our back in our day, you were it was just witchcraft. We had herbalism, we had apothecary, and now we have green witchcraft, which makes no sense to me because it's just herbalism and apothecary.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Right. Well, I mean we've touched on that before, but now it's I mean it's it goes further than that because it goes into I do dragon magic, chaos magic, um Yes, my my with my Faye wand and my fey hood and my fey this and my fee.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

I I've I've heard the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

Right. So I mean where is this coming from in is it really necessary?

SPEAKER_00 2:12

No, it's not. I think it's just greed. It's people wanting to make money. You cannot copyright herbalism or apothecary, but you a company can own the label Green Witchcraft. That's called something. They can't copyright that.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

They can copyright that book, they can copyright that name because it's not a name we're used to. You see what I'm saying? Gotcha. And you can and then eventually you can only get it from one source. All right. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. Because you couldn't do this to the original, so you have to make up a new name to resell to people stuff that's already being taught for free by all traditional temples.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

All right, so I mean, how do we deal with this? I mean, we it's you know, if we tell people this is not necessary, then people are just gonna get all up in arms and they're gonna be like, Well, you know, how dare you tell me how to label myself?

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Well, I mean, if anything, I think we're doing it the other way around. We're saying no, don't label yourself. Don't put yourself in that box. Don't put yourself in the box. How about this? Why don't you quit trying to be everything else and just be yourself?

SPEAKER_01 3:26

That makes sense. I mean I can totally see that because that's the way it was back in our day. It wasn't, you know, yeah, everybody's got something that they're really good at, but that doesn't define you as a witch.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Well, no, I mean, we don't have a lot of people that seem to be able to define anything. You got people going around going, hey, I'm trans, and that's their whole entire personality. You got people going around going, hey, I'm queer. That's their whole entire personality. I'm I'm a bunch of these labels too, but it's not me. Right, they don't define you. No, they're not they're not aspects of my personality, they're aspects of my life.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

It has nothing to do with me. I mean, it's like I'm dyslexic, trust me. This affects my life, but it don't affect anybody else's, just me. It's my problem. But it's not my whole entire personality.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Right. I've never known it to define you as a person.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

No. I mean the fact is, yes, I will tell people, yeah, I'm dyslexic, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Because I don't care. Because it's not defining me.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Right, it's not who you are, it's just part of who you are.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Right. And then you got, and I'm and I'm gonna call this out, yes. And then you got people like Thorne Mooney who keeps on pushing this stuff, which makes me think she only cares about making money and not the growth of the community.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Okay, but what uh what about the other content? I mean, she's put out content that thought provider.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

We are not talking about her beliefs. I don't care that she is a Garnerian. Because all the traditionals finally learnt a long time ago, not my tradition. Okay. We don't care about each other's tradition. What we care about is traditional craft. The community, all the traditional covens and groups make up. Back in the day, if my elder or any elder banished somebody for being an oathbreaker, for being a warlock, none of the other covens would touch them. They were banished, they were literally shunned, they were canceled or whatever in the world you want to call it. Right. All right, we got this going on in the community now, and we have priestesses like Thorne Mooney who won't do their job and stand up going, no, this is bad for the community to have a warlock running around trying to teach people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. From all I can tell is that Thorne Mooney has just came over and just shit on everything we've done. We worked for all the way back from the 70s and up. Because again, she won't answer these questions, and why won't she answer them? Because they don't end with buy my book. Watch my monetize stuff, pay for my classes. Traditionalists do not charge for classes. A gift to the she cannot already be property of the she. Our souls are the she. You can't sell this stuff to us. We already have a right to the info. It's free. We teach to raise the consciousness, to raise spiritual awareness. We don't put a price tag on it and make it something for the fucking elite. All I keep on seeing is people like Thorn Mooney trying to change us more into something more like Scientology. You're only good until you f until the money runs out, then we throw you off to the side.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Well, I can understand that. I mean, we've long been taught to be basically outstanding citizens.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

We have to hold our that's that whole don't let others speak evil of your good.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Right. Hold yourself to this standard and don't fall beneath it. All traditionalists that I know of, and if I'm wrong, please tell me. But I'll all of us at least agree on the ethic of keep your word. Right. All right. We also have sayings that go along when if our act that your actions and your words must be the same. And I'm sorry, Thorn Mooney's actions and words are not. She says she doesn't want a career in this, but yet she keeps doing it. If she wants to be part of the community again the way I'm talking about, give your proceeds up from your book to a charity to put a place of worship in the middle of a town somewhere. Statues to a god and goddess. So people can leave offerings and stuff like that. Unmonetize your channels, start teaching for free again. Call out these warlocks that are out there doing this stuff, conning people. Unless you're conning yourself. Because all of this started because she made two videos basically talking about me talking about this. The fact that that they're conning you. That they're trying to lock down and everything to where only certain companies can write about craft and nobody else. Alright. And just them. So they keep on changing the names, they keep on changing the words. And it's bullshit. They're lying.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

Alright, so but some people are gonna say, and you know, I don't I don't necessarily agree with your tactics and how you've handled this, but you know, some people are gonna say, Aren't you just trolling these people?

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Here's how this started. Like I said, she did those first two videos, which you listened to. Yeah. Alright, and again, no, not 100% sure, but I'm 99% sure she was talking about me in both those videos. First one came out, I told her I did not disagree with her. I didn't dislike. She said, I I like it asked, like the thing and thumbs up and loved it, and then I went back and put a comment, then we can debate this. She hid that comment. Okay. All right, and I'm sorry, but if you're not brave enough to debate me, I don't think you should be brave enough to be talking about. I could be wrong there. So when she did her next video on the same damn thing again, I put out there, since you won't debate me, will you be a priestess to the community like you're supposed to be, like we offered, and call out Taya Kennedy for being a warlock. Because she broke her oath. She broke her word, and I've gotten silence. She can't even speak up for herself. Instead, she's got all these other people in hiding what in the world I'm saying. Because again, the answer for her is not buy my book, pay for my classes, watch my videos so I can get more money. At least that's the way it seems. That's the way it seems. All I'm saying is her actions are not lining up with what in the world she's saying.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Right. I mean, I did I did see that conversation between you and and the other person, actually a couple of other people, but there was one in particular who continued the conversation. And yeah, now anytime I log in to YouTube, I can't see that conversation anymore.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Well, make it even worse. And here's my and here's my thought on this. I'm not above all this. If I break my word, please come after me. Teeth bared, ready to draw blood. Right. I would deserve it. If I'm off trying to con y'all out of your money, you need to call me out on it. I'm not above this. Neither are these people. Just because Thorn Mooney's an author, don't make her all that in a fucking bag of chips. I'm not going to be silenced just like they're not. But my point there was if she would have left them comments up, if she would have debated me, we would have actually had this conversation. We would have been able to work this out. Right. But no, what does she do? She runs and hides. Well at least that's the way it seems. That's the way it seems. Alright? I I don't give a crap what in the world her personal problems are. They're that are her problems. Just like my problems are mine. Right. But when it comes to craft, we work as a community. The traditionalists are out there. I am not the only one that believes this way. There are a lot more of us than y'all think. I believe.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

Yeah, but it's getting it's getting those other people to speak up.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

It's getting them to speak up. It's getting them to say something. These same temples in which you know them just as well as I do. When we banished people, we literally banished people. There's still a guy going around as far as I know. We refer to as the dead man, and not a single temp temple will actually touch them to this day. And we have no standards in craft. You've got people out there that are seriously conning and making us look like a joke. When I sit there and fucking watch Batman cartoons and they're making fun of Wiccans, there's something that has to be done. It is a running joke in the greater community. We are not respected because of crap like this. Because we got warlocks there. Nobody will call it out. Oh yeah, she's doing whatever she w Ah, no, no, I can't speak again. Yes, you can. Yes, you can speak against this stuff. You should speak up against this stuff. What happened to where to the whole entire th thing of if you see something, say something. Right. I mean, if I'm if I'm wrong, people are gonna just blast me out of the water.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Well, I was gonna say then too, uh most of the traditionalists I know, we all took an oath to basically protect the craft. And from what you're saying, it's like nobody's doing anything to do that anymore.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

No, and even these other supposed traditionals. What does Thorn Mooney going to some big old fancy r uh hotel have to do with preserving fucking craft?

SPEAKER_01 13:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Oh no, no, no. I'm just showing off how much money y'all have given me. And I know people want to pa paint me as the bad person here, but we need ethics, we need morals, we need standards to live by, and we have to enforce those.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

I was gonna say we need people to stand up for those standards, those morals, those ethics.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Right, because we don't believe any gods or anything is going to come after us. We don't believe in karma. Right. We don't believe in this whole entire threefold law like everybody else does. We believe that the only people that can hold us to those standards are ourselves and we have to. We have to do it with as much aggression and whatever we have to, because we do have to hold ourselves to those standards. We have to keep our words. We have to be responsible for our own actions. All right, and we have to try to maintain balance.

unknown 14:24

All right.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Now that does not mean that I d I can understand where people think my actions are bad. And that's fine and dandy. But I can also receive where some people go, I can understand why in the hell he's mad too. And why in the world he does get upset. Everything I've learned, all these people keep on doing, is coming over here and shitting on my religion and making us look like jokes. Right, basically throwing dirt in your face and no, they're making their selves look bad too. And they don't realize that. The pagan community at large, in the grand scheme of things, is a fucking joke. There's only very few people I can count on one hand that actually take it as seriously like we do.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Well, and I I sort of believe all of that is due to the it's due to the culture that's evolved to what it is now and everything social media related. And I believe that has something to do with it because we're we're seeing all these, you know, the little TikToks pop up and you know, people just throwing shit out there, and it's like, do you even hear yourself?

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Well, what what upsets me worse is when I put the video out there of uh Taya Kennedy being a warlock, people are like, okay, what? I don't get it. You don't even know people in the community no longer know what we mean by keep your work.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

But that's what I'm saying. I think it comes from all this social media bullshit that's being put out. Oh, God, yes. Because people are just they're regurgitating what they're hearing and and not understand it. And the quote unquote influencers are just putting shit out there. To get money, to keep on building up their likes and I think Yeah, and I think that's where all this is coming from. There's no real information being put out there anymore.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

No, I mean, and it's simple. Keeping your word. That means pay attention to what in the world you're saying. If you s it basically, if you sit there and you tell me I'll call you back in five minutes, that's my expectations. This is what you said. These are the words you said. Now, if that's not what in the world you meant, you should have said what in the world you mean. Because we do have a line. Mean what you say, say what you mean. If it was going to be later in that day, say that. In today's business and stuff like that, people don't always have time to sit around waiting for you to do something. Oh Lord know. If you're waiting for somebody else to do something before you do it, you might as well forget it. Because nobody can keep their word anymore. Because nobody seems to understand what in the world this means. If you say you're going to do something, you do it, come hell or high water. There's no getting out of it. The people that you make these prom don't care. These things that we make promises to, to the gods and all this other stuff, don't care if you're sick, depressed, or if you they don't. Am I making any sense? And the only person doing this to themselves is yourself. You're making those promises. Not me. I'm not twisting your arm. I mean, how hard is this? Well, apparently it's hard because nobody seems to know what in the hell it means by, you know, what a warlock means because everybody wants to say it's a male witch, which is a lie to polish the word to make it look better.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Which we'll talk more about that later. But I'm just saying, the majority of the people that have this up trying to say it's male witch, they're the ones that have been accused of being a warlock. Somewhere in their videos, somewhere back there, if you dig back far enough, you're gonna find out where they broke the word. Tae Kennedy is not a fucking traditionalist by any stretch of the imagination. She knows none of this. She has already demonstrated she doesn't even know what in the world it means that she's a word. And all traditionalists understand this. Have you ever met one that didn't? No. Even the ones that disagree with us vehemently on our beliefs? No. So where's our thorn moonies? Where's our priests and priestesses that are supposed to be leading this, ignoring this crap that's going on? Ignoring these unboxings, which is nothing more than a scam. How much longer until they're going to pay$35 for a box of dirt somebody pulled out of their backyard? Oh, look, hey, I got special dirt. It's dirt.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Right. I'd say, well, I've had a problem with stuff like that since my Christian days. Oh, look, it's holy water from the Holy Land.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Oh, it's a piece of wood. It's supposedly a piece of wood. It's supposed to be supposedly a piece of wood from the cross, and everybody wearing it, I I doubt it.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

Right. So I mean, yeah, I've I've had a problem with stuff like that for uh for a long time now.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

It's the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

It's the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Well, look, it's graveyard game.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

And I'm sorry, you can go get your own.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

And all I see, and you're really gonna die on this one. All I see is the people like Thorn Mooney and the rest of her gang as being nothing more than another PTL. All right? Yeah, they're giving information out, they're giving worship and all this other stuff, and at the end of the day, when you run out of money, they ain't gonna have a damn thing for you. And if y'all don't know anything about PTL, look that up.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

I mean, I don't know enough about her to be able to say that or to be able to speak to that.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Her actions are leading me to that belief because we believe more in actions than words. And especially when we're dealing with a situation like this, because apparently no, she ain't broke her word, but she's fracturing an awful lot of shit.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

I well, I d I'm just saying I can't argue this one way or the other because I don't know enough about her.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

I've seen some of her videos, I've read some of her blogs. That's about it. So I can't speak to that.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

So is there anything else that somebody might say or something that we want to go ahead and answer now that you might want to ask?

SPEAKER_01 20:10

Well, some people are just gonna say that you're just trolling these people. That you're that you're just being an old codger and you're just you're trying to stir up shit.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

I understand that, and I do not how know how to explain to people that I honestly and truly believe this from the bottom of my heart. I bought the line, the sinker, the whole nine yards. I believe this stuff. I have seen it work, I have seen where people have broken their oaths, and things have happened to them. Right. And I'm sorry, there's nothing anybody can do to change my beliefs on that. But I can pull out that I think what in the world these people are doing this way is wrong. You can have your occult shops and stuff like that, but if you're out there fucking teaching your temple and your religion needs to be separate from that.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Well, and I think it's also like um one of the last comments that I saw you make on that previous video, the comments that are now hidden, where you said something to the extent of you know, it's one thing to have your practice, that's your individual practice. I'm not telling you how to do that. No. Um what basically what you were saying was that these people shouldn't be teaching.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

No, because I think they're immoral.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

And how in the hell are you gonna teach somebody how to be moral when you yourself are not? Right. So if you're not upholding the ethics of the craft, then you shouldn't be teaching anybody. You shouldn't be putting you shouldn't be putting out these social media videos, TikTok, you know, Twitter YouTube, you shouldn't be putting this stuff out there.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

And I'm gonna go ahead and say it right now. I'm tired of these fucking authors walking around like their shit don't stink. Y'all are not that big of a deal. There are other people that have this information. We do not require y'all.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

The pagan community took These authors put them up onto a pedestal and now they're into a point to where in the world they think they're better than everybody else. Case in point, Taya Kennedy sat there and literally like when I pointed out that she was a warlike and what in the world she did, what was her response? It was just a servitor. You know who else had that thought? Ah, they're just savages. Put 'em in chains and let them do the floors. Right. This again shows me the mindset of this woman. This is how she thinks. In other words, if she'll break her word to something so meaningless to her, what's her to stop from breaking her word to you? The scamming everybody, taking their money for their clas her little guild, basically her classes. And then running or you find out that the stuff she's uh teaching you is just the same free stuff you can find out on the uh net. Right. You know, how pissed are y'all gonna be then? And me already sitting here telling you, temples teach what in the world she's teaching for free and do a hell of a lot better job. Because God forbid if I ever hear her say anything about a tool and Fay, Fay tools, does not freaking exist. It's the sword of Lou, the Spear of Nawada, the Cauldron of the Dogda, and the stone of fucking destiny. Did you hear a word about Fay in there whatsoever? Well, no. And I'm not sure if I just reversed the sword in the I know some people will laugh, but hey, at least I know I might have. I mean, but do you see what I'm saying? Well, there's stuff out there, and I'm sorry, the traditional community like us have been beaten down and put back into a box, back into the damn broom closet, because of the wicked community wants to believe there's such a thing as just declaring yourself whatever in the hell you want. Right. All right, so our ethics and morals are not out there, and they are decaying by the second. Yeah, and we we really need to get back to we we need to uphold the standards in which our forefathers used.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Well, but that's the problem. A lot of the younger generations don't know that information. What that's they're getting their information from the web, they're getting it from you know, all these videos and blogs, and none of the videos and blogs are presenting the the information as we know it. No, they're not. So that information's not being taught, it's not being it's not being put out there.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

No, I I I'm I'm sorry. People like Thornmonie wants to ride the fence. They want their foot in a traditional community so they have that leverage and that seal of approval. But then they also want to be wicked and do whatever the hell they want. I'm sorry, these two concepts do not mash together. Right. The traditional community is a community of different religions that all share common themes. Right. That's simple. This is traditional craft. What else do you want me to say? Is there anything else to say? Is there anything else to say? And I again, I really do believe this with all my heart.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

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SPEAKER_02 25:33

We travel down this trodden path a maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a sea of blazing pyres, and so it is the end of our days, so walk with me till morning breaks, and so it is the end of our days, so walk with me till morning.