13 Goals of a Witch and All is One

In this episode of Pagan Coffee Talk, hosts Oswyn and Lord Night explore the foundational principles that guide a witch’s spiritual journey by diving into the 13 goals of a witch, originally outlined in Scott Cunningham’s Guide for the Solitary Practitioner. From self-awareness and understanding your personal craft to achieving balance, maintaining clarity of thought, and attuning to the cycles of nature, the hosts break down how these practices shape a witch’s everyday life.

Listeners will learn why knowing yourself goes beyond simple introspection, uncovering the deep connections between emotions, reactions, and personal growth. Oswyn and Lord Night discuss the importance of mastering your craft, applying knowledge with wisdom, and maintaining physical and mental health through mindful living, meditation, and movement. The episode also emphasizes celebrating life, honoring the God and Goddess, and integrating ritual as a natural extension of daily practice rather than a separate, occasional act.

The conversation expands into exploring the spiritual concept of “The All is One and the One is All,” examining how deities in paganism reflect frequencies of a single source of creation. Oswyn and Lord Night unpack the interplay between polytheistic and monotheistic perspectives, illustrating how attuning to different archetypes and divine energies can deepen one’s personal and ritual practice.

Perfect for practicing witches, Wiccans, pagans, and anyone interested in spiritual growth, this episode blends practical guidance with philosophical insight, offering listeners tools to live a fully conscious, balanced, and magical life.

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Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk. Here are your hosts, Oswan and Lord Knight. Today's topic, we're going to discuss the 13 goals of a witch.

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Okay.

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Alright?

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Alright.

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These were first published in um Scott Cunningham's Guide for a Solitary Practitioner, I believe, back in 1988.

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Alright.

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So first of all, we have Know Yourself.

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I like this.

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This is that's that's kind of deep.

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Well, I mean, we've talked about this before, you know, again, this knowing yourself is knowing why you do the things that you do.

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Alright, so instead of n knowing why you got upset, it's knowing why you reacted how you did when you got upset.

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Exactly.

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It's like um So whatever actions you took, why did you do that?

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Right. In other words, it is it's understanding, okay, the reason I don't like strawberries is because I ate a bunch when I was a kid and got sick.

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Okay.

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You know, you under I mean, I know it's simple that like that, but you understand the cause and effect there. Right. And that's what we're talking about in yourself, knowing yourself to the point of what it is you actually want versus what you need. I mean, the emotion of need is a whole lot more powerful than the emotion of want.

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Right. So this just comes down to knowing pretty much all of your ins and outs and your quirks and how you look at the world. Right, and understanding how to use that to your best advantage.

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Well, I mean, I again it's kind of like think about it this way. If you to me, if you know yourself and you're a person who is prone to depression, right, you're gonna pick up on the keys or the certain behaviors you keep on seeing yourself going, oh, I'm starting to go into a depression swing, need to start making phone calls now.

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Right. Or I need to start taking these actions, I need to do this, I need to do that to keep myself out of this.

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Right. I mean, just like, you know, uh having panic attacks. When people are having you know you're having a panic attack once you've had one.

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Right.

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You know, you this is not something you forget. And once you recognize that feeling, it's just figuring out what's triggering those.

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Okay.

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And then wondering, then trying to figure out why does this instance trigger this versus not.

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Right.

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You know, if it's a different situation. Okay.

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Makes sense. Well then we have know your craft.

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Yes.

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What does that mean?

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Know your field of expertise. Pick your expertise and know it.

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What if you don't have an expertise? Do you have to have an expertise?

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No, but you should state that to begin with. I don't have an expertise. I'm a you know, what is that, Jack of all trades, master of none?

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Okay, what if you're not even there?

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Then don't insert yourself into that situation, I guess.

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But could that I mean, could that just be your craft?

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Could be, I guess, to a certain extent.

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I mean, I'm just asking. I don't s I personally d don't see how that could happen. I I don't even know Because even if you're not Because you're talking about a craft of neutral. Right.

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Nothing.

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Right.

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Of not going anywhere. So you're not growing, you're not not growing. You're not shrinking, but you're not growing either.

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So I don't I don't uh I that's the reason why I'm asking. Is is this a possibility?

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I d I don't think so. I think there's too much stagnant there.

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Okay.

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Unfortunately.

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Alright. So whatever whatever your practice is, know it.

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Know it. I mean, if you're gonna be an herbalist, be an herbalist. You know, know what in the world you're talking about, show research or whatever behind it. I mean Right. Just know it, I guess.

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Okay. Learn and grow.

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Well, we always learn. We always grow. And sometimes we learn the most from the most stupidest things.

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Give an example. I hate to be that way, but just get I want to hear this.

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It's the situations where things are a little odd and you're kinda like, whoa, wait a minute. When everything goes normal pattern but it's when things go cock.

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Okay.

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Then I think we learn more. All right? I just like you know, you were talking about the lady that didn't get the job.

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Right.

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Right. And you already knew well, we talked about that in the previous one. Right. But you knew the pattern of behavior because this woman was training her superior. Right. So you knew what the pattern of behavior was already going to begin. Now, if by chance, let's say she didn't have a bad attitude about it, but had a wonderful attitude and did absolutely delightful training on this. 100%, no bitching, no nothing.

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Right.

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That would be odd to you.

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Yes, that would be very odd.

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And you'd be sitting back going, well, now I gotta ask questions.

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Gotcha, yeah.

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You see what I'm saying? When things don't go where we expect them to go, that's when most people start asking questions.

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Well, I'm either gonna ask questions or I'm gonna be like, oh, she's up to some shit right there. I'm not getting involved.

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I mean, but do you do you understand what I'm saying? It seems like to me that the stuff that upsets, it goes against the gray. And we're not talking about good or bad or anything. It's just that behavior that you So it could be anything.

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It could, it could be menial, you know, it could be minimal.

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It could be it's looking at that kid that scrapes his knees and you expect them to cry, and then they just get up and run off. Right. And never do. And it makes you go, what the hell?

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Right. Okay. Apply knowledge and wisdom.

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What else is there to say?

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All of these seem like just common sense.

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I mean, wisdom is nothing more than experience. Right. All right. If there's a difference between knowing something and understanding something. Okay? Knowing something knowing how to use a microwave, I can use a microwave. Understanding the electronics behind in the theory and all that of the microwave, I've seen people take that microwave and turn them into guns and other things other than a microwave. Right. This is where wisdom lies.

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Taking that stuff and sometimes making things work together that could it be could it be explained like it's the difference between book smart and street smart?

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To a certain extent.

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Book smart would be the knowledge. Would be the knowledge. But Street Smart would be the wisdom.

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Uh, but Street Smart would be taking that knowledge you learned from the books and applying it to the streets.

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Right. Therefore, um but but that's what I'm saying. That's where you gain the wisdom.

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Right. Because again, you've got to think about it like this. In college class, when you when you were at college and all this, they just taught you theory. Right. And they they they kept on repeating they were teaching you theory. Right. This is how it's gonna work when it's perfect. You know, just like doing my electronics course. Oh, this is how it's gonna go and it's gonna work out great, and it never does.

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No, it never does.

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It never does. Because that's life, that's reality. This is where people have to learn to apply knowledge and wisdom.

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Okay. Well, then we have achieve balance.

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Yes. Achieve balance.

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What is what is balance? And how do you achieve it?

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Balance is balance between your life and religion, balance between you know, that you're getting everything's getting equal amount of time.

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Okay.

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Just like in nature, there's a dark time, there's a time to rest. There is a time to be active. I hate to be that way. It's like that song.

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To everything, turn, turn, turn.

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There is a season. Yep. Yep. Same thing. It's just some of these seasons can be small and short.

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Okay. Keep your words in good order.

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Yes. Please. Please, people, please.

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What does that mean? Keeping your words in good order?

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It means mean what you say and say what you mean.

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Okay, so it's not like words come in a sequential sequence.

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No. I mean, yeah. Yeah, I mean, might as well just, you know, go to one of the AIs and have them write you a random story about random things.

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Oh, okay, yeah.

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That that's not keeping your words and do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. To me, that's not. That's it's a slightly smarter monkey hitting a typewriter.

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So it could also be speaky little listen much. Yeah. Think before you speak. Yes. All of those things.

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Right. That way you're keeping your word. And being honest. Because you know, it's it's really hard to keep the lies straight.

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God, is it ever.

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You know.

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Been there, done that, not gonna do it again. You know, I'm I i i if I don't like you, I'm just gonna I don't like you.

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Right. You don't like me, bye. Bye. Bye, Felicia. Keep your thoughts in good order.

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This is even better. Don't get me wrong. The older I get, yes, the harder it does to keep your thoughts in order.

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Right.

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It really does.

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Well, I mean, I hate to be this way. That that's that's part of the aging process, and unfortunately, we all go through that at some point.

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I mean, and I think it's a little worse for witches sometimes. Because how many times have we had this? I think you had a conversation without me. But yet I still knew how you were gonna answer.

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Yeah.

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No, not familiar with that at all.

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So you still have that going on with a little dementia, I guess. I guess. Insanity!

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Right. Not only is every day a new day, but hey, conversations never happen.

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And you always meet a new person in the mirror. No, no. I mean, this is just nothing more than keeping your thoughts, what in the world you believe, in your head, and keeping those ordered and and and remembering those things.

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Okay.

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Who you are. You should be made more proud of who you are than anything else. Any labels or anything. Just be yourself.

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All right.

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I mean, why muddle yourself up by inserting other people's thoughts and in there?

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Well, you shouldn't. And yeah, I mean, uh, d if if you're around a person long enough, you do pick up some of their mannerisms and some of the way they handle things and and all of that, but you still need to maintain who you are. You still need to maintain, you know, be true to who you are.

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Exactly. Just because your relationship with one person's this way doesn't mean that your relationship with everybody else will be the same way.

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Exactly. All right. Celebrate life.

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Oh. Please celebrate life by living it. Right. Get offline. Stop listening to us. Go do cartwheels. Right. Break a hill.

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Oh, Lord. We didn't tell you to do that. I ain't paying for it. Hell no. That's it's expensive. I should not work in the health condition. I work in surgical services. Oh God.

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What else is there to say about that? Just go out, live life, do stuff, be active.

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Do what you enjoy. YOLO. You only live once. Well. Some of us do.

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Some of us come back repeatedly.

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Right. No, but I mean the point is that you only have this lifetime once.

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As this person.

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Right.

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I mean, because I I It will never happen again. I mean, because if you think about it this way, if you've ever watched Doctor Who and his regeneration, this is sort of like if we could remember from one lifetime to another.

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Mm, yes.

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But notice how the personalities change.

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Right.

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So majority of the times like when um which I've been watching Doctor Who, okay. When uh Jeff, whatever, was leaving the first time as the doctor, and him getting all upset, I felt the emotion of that because it was the death of not the doctor, but that personality.

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Oh, okay, yeah.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah, but some of that personality carried over.

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Well, yeah.

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Some of it did.

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Some of it did.

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So it wasn't completely lost. But yeah, I d I I can see that.

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You know, if we were able to do that.

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All right. Attune with the cycles of nature.

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Oh, well, we just do rituals.

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I know. I mean, you That's part of what we do.

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We do it through meditation. You know, we do it by living life.

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Right.

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Because if you're out there living life, you're going to be forced to change your behaviors at certain times of the year. I mean, there's only so long you can wear that swimsuit before well. Right? I mean, well, and you know, before it actually gets cold, I mean. And you start freezing off stuff.

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All right. Like, hey, we need to keep them a little longer. Breathe and eat correctly.

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You see, I sort of wish he would put at the end of that for you.

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Yeah, because I do believe that's different for everybody.

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I I I I know.

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So there's no one correct way to do that.

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No.

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I mean, you still need to eat healthy. You know, don't put a lot of well, according to this, don't put a lot of junk in your body.

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No.

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You know.

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I mean, that's what we're talking about. We're not talking about people that are slightly obese or anything. Don't be the 600-pound man. Don't keep it within reason.

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Right. But even some of those folks, you know, they they can't help it.

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No. I mean, and I know there's problems and issues and stuff like that. Right. That's what I'm saying. I I I'm not going to gang up on somebody because they're slightly overweight.

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Right.

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You know, but that's like not being obese, but it's also like not starving yourself to death either. Right. You know, I mean, if you're going around looking like Skeletor, I'm just saying.

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Hey, everybody's got goals. One stomach flew away.

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One stomach flew away from my my perfect weight. From my perfect weight.

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Thank you, double wares Prada.

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If they didn't know we were gay before, they do now. Right?

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Exercise the body.

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Get out.

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Move. Yeah, and that doesn't mean you have to hit the gym every fucking day. No. It just means get out. Move your body. Do something. Be physical.

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Be physical.

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If you have a dog, take your dog for a walk.

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If you have a cat, take your cat for a walk.

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Some cats do that, but you know.

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I'm just trying to say how much motion you're going to have to try to pollution a cat. By the time you get that far along, you might be like, I'm done. I'm done.

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I've had money to sell this for the day. You ever had to take a cat to the vet? You know what we're talking about.

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Just saying.

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Oh, here's one. Hmm. Meditate.

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Really. Really. You you really want me to go there.

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Please, you haven't said it in a while. Meditate. Meditation.

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It's a wonderful thing. It should be done daily.

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Yeah, I mean, we are joking a little bit here, but yes, meditation is important to your daily practice.

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It it really I I think it is. I think it's just really good for your mental health.

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Yeah. I don't think it's just a goal. I think it I think it's an integral part of what it is you're doing. All right, and then we have last and not least, honor the goddess and God.

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Do ritual. And do those. I mean, it becomes a whole lot easier to honor the gods when you're doing ritual.

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Right. And you know, and honestly, the goddess and the god wants you to be happy.

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Again, doing ritual is the same thing that we say about everything else. Come as often as you can. Right. Come as many times as you can. All right. But just like anything else, if your ox falls into a ditch on Sunday, get your ox out. If it falls in your ditch every Sunday, either fill in the ditch or kill the ox.

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Right.

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And show up for ritual. Right. It's as simple as that.

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But it also goes beyond ritual, I think. I think if you're if you're living your life and you're following all of these goals, I think you are in essence, it's everything's led up to this one.

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There's there's always this argument about if ritual is more important than belief. And then you're actually called two different things, and I I think the the way it's argued drives me up the wall.

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Right.

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Because I see this problem as more of a chicken in the egg.

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Right.

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You're never exactly sure which came first, but one without the other just seems unusable to me.

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Well, no, I agree with you there, but I'm just saying if you're if you're following these other goals, everything here has been it's been sequential.

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Right. And again, the the all doing all this stuff helps you attune yourself to the gods.

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Right. So if you're if you're doing your meditations, if you're living your life and celebrating life, if you're eating correctly, you know, keeping yourself somewhat healthy, doing if you're doing all of these things, you are honoring the God and goddess.

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Exactly. By living life.

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Right. That includes rituals, celebrating the seasons.

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This to us is not something we do. It is our life. Right. This is a daily thing. This is you can't get burnt out from your life.

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No. For us, it is a way of living.

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Right. It's not no magical formula that you do just on the weekends. It is a daily thing, an hourly thing.

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Right. So, but yeah, I think I think honestly, i if you're following all of these, they are sequential. Start with one, it will lead to the next one. And the next. And the next will lead to the next, yes, and it will be a domino effect.

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And then before you know it by the time you get to the last one, it's a whole lot easier because doing the other twelve helps.

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Absolutely. Ready for the next topic?

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Sure.

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The all is one and the one is all.

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I remember we got a message a while back and somebody seemed very confused about this.

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Right.

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I don't want to say confused, but they just it's like they'd never heard of the concept before.

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Right, and it didn't quite register with them.

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Alright. So when we're talking about this, we're talking about deities.

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Right.

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And most people think this way. Either all the deities are individual beings like ourselves, and they all live on this one frequency vibration and power level.

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Okay.

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Right?

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Right.

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But then that means all the gods are individual gods. And then you run into the the the the trope that you see in movies and TVs where they have multiple gods. Like um supernatural. Oh, okay. So where there's from different branches and stuff.

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Right.

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You get this, you get into that my god's more powerful than your god thing.

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Well, then you get, well, your god's tromping into my territory. Yeah.

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I mean, and and it's fine if that's the way you want to believe in all that, but that's where I see a problem there is when you run across okay, you know, I I I I'm sitting there and I believe in the North Pantheon.

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Okay.

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Alright. Um and those are the only w are those the only ones that exist? Or do the or do the Twaffeda none exist too? I mean, if you're if you're one of those solid you know what I'm saying?

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, okay, yeah.

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You know, and in the subject. No, no, no, no. All those other n no, false God. Don't worship.

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Right, which pretty much nullifies witchcraft.

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Right. I mean it nullifies the whole mo I mean, this is the way it is in my head. I'm not saying I'm wrong or right. It's just the way I'm looking at it.

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Right.

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Am I confusing myself there?

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I don't know, but somehow or another I'm following along with it.

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This is the problem where I see with multiple deities. Alright. Now some of us believe in a concept of there is only one source of creation.

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Right, one power, one ultimate thing. Destination, if you will.

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Alright, and that this thing is so beyond us, you know, it'd be like an ant trying to explain what an alien spaceship looks like.

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Right.

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It's just completely unconceivable here. There's nothing in our language, there's nothing in our brain that allows us to conceive of something so vast.

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Okay.

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And so therefore we turn that into deities that we understand. We make it mimic nature. Make sense?

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Yeah, so that would be that it would be more akin to um in Christianity where people can't really grasp God. But they can grasp and so Jesus came to earth to be the right.

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Well, and and and the whole entire concept you have there in Christianity, uh again, of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost.

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Right.

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Actually being technically one being in and of itself. Yes. This is the way we think of the source. But like I said, we also are looking at it like like we talked about in the uh astral plane, that everybody's going to perceive this thing in the way they understand it.

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Okay.

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All right, because you can't un you can't understand it, so it has to so your brain has to place it in something it can understand.

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Right.

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So hence the reason we have male and female deities.

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Male and female, and hence the reason we have deities for this, deities for that.

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Right. And the thought is that when we are I I know it sounds rough, but if we're sitting here calling up baller, we're looking at that, using that name, those philosophies, that myth, and everything behind that to attune ourselves to that particular frequency of deity.

SPEAKER_04 25:03

So it's like changing the station on a radio.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Same concept, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:08

Tuning into a specific frequency to get country music or rock music or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

And that these things are not divorced from one another. You know, that hence the reason why in the world you do see uh a lot of the father god figures all seem to portray the same uh traits throughout history.

SPEAKER_04 25:31

Right, and throughout different mythologies.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

But I mean, do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, there's always a love goddess or love god or something. Do you see what I'm saying? These these these archetypes seem to stay the same because you hear a lot of people talk about Mars and oh god, uh Hades being the same. Yeah. The gods of war. I'm screwing that completely up. I know I am. But there's a lot of gods with a lot of similarities.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Like there's a lot of similarities between um the Dogda and Odin.

SPEAKER_05 26:06

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Even though they both have completely different stories and myths. But there are certain traits that seem to be common.

SPEAKER_05 26:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Some of them are kind of vaguish, but they're pretty much that. I mean, because I remember studying that. Every all of us know that, that you know, certain deities seem to culture to culture. Right. So I know it's hard the concept to understand. How in the world we're actually monotheism versus polytheism on this.

SPEAKER_04 26:37

Yeah, I think that's an I think that's an issue because so many people view paganism slash witchcraft, whatever it is you're calling it, the religious side of this.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Don't get me wrong, there are covens and stuff out there that actually practice this way. They there are I know there are people out there who honestly believe that the pantheon, they're worship, and and that's it.

SPEAKER_04 26:59

Right, but I'm just saying a lot of a lot of people well, still, even then, it's a pantheon.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Right.

SPEAKER_04 27:05

It's still multiple deities.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Right.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

So therefore, they're still being polytheistic.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 27:12

And that's the way a lot of people view it. But what you're talking about is something completely well, not completely different, but it's different in the aspect that you're saying they still only come from one source.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Right. Because if you think about it this way, it's kind of like make using the um the traps, the light traps to make the uh what are those called? The prisms. The prism, thank you. Using prisms to change that white light into multicolored lights.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

The white light is the source, and the multicolored lights are all our different deities.

SPEAKER_05 27:46

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

That's where this concept comes from. Because we're tuning into a specific frequency vibration in this spectrum, which is basically the source of creation.

SPEAKER_05 28:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

I mean, and this is something that, you know, I truly believe goes beyond our reality. There might be the this thing permeates through multiple realities and you know, uh parallel universes, and it is all of that.

SPEAKER_04 28:17

Yeah, and I can I kind of like that idea because honestly, I mean, if you're if you're going through the whole polytheistic view, then you've got so many deities from so many different cultures. And it's like, how do you choose? That's a lot of deities to go through to pick a singular set of deities to follow.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Well, see, now and again, I could be wrong here, so if I'm about to piss off people, I'm sorry. I will admit I could be wrong, but from what I've been told and was taught was that Jews or the Jewish religion originally started out. They were polytheistic, but their deities were the the basically the seven doors, C Z, grumpy, happy, sad. Their deities were emotions. Each deity was an emotion in and of itself.

SPEAKER_04 29:14

Okay. I can't speak to that, but that's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Well, the the idea there is you're not necessarily attuning yourself to a specific deity. You're trying to attune yourself to a specific emotion.

SPEAKER_05 29:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

All right, like if you're wanting to understand anger the way I understood it, they would sit there and literally prey upon anger and meditate upon this. You know, it's the same thing that I see us doing when we're sitting there after we've meditated for a number of years and gone through our quote unquote shit cup.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Sitting there going, Okay, here's my I I'm gonna use this symbol to represent love, and then sit there and meditate every time I f every past event I felt loved.

SPEAKER_04 29:58

And put it into that symbol.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

And put it into that symbol to where when I see that symbol, I have nothing but pure love energy in me. Right. Same concept. And I still like this and I even like this concept better than individual deities to a certain extent. Does that help? I mean, because the way we look at deities and stuff, I mean you got war which covers aggression and you know, security and all this other stuff.

SPEAKER_05 30:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

And I know it kind of comes some emotions together. So you can go to one deity for this whole entire rage of emotions.

SPEAKER_05 30:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Just like going to what Aphrodite for love, it was not just cardinal love, but you know, that home love too.

SPEAKER_05 30:46

Right. That love of family. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

You know, you could be wrong. But could be wrong. You said you were liking this.

SPEAKER_04 30:54

Yeah, it's I I like that idea because again, it's it's back to it if you're trying to attune yourself like a lot of people do, they they want to work with a deity or a couple of deities, like a male and a female. And if you're trying to go through all these different pantheons to find one that you can relate to, or one that rings a bell with you, one that comes to you, whatever, you're gonna spend a lot of time going through all of these pantheons.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Well, see, I know I also think it removes some barriers for us because you be when you start to think of deity this way, it removes that barrier. Maybe I shouldn't meditate on Christ. It removes that barrier. Now you can't, because you're just tuning into a specific frequency.

SPEAKER_04 31:47

Right, because we've actually had people ask us, well, what about Christ? What about can pagans meditate?

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Why not?

SPEAKER_04 31:54

Can we use Christ in our rituals? Well, why not? They all come from the same source.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

But my point there is it in our philosophy, it it to me it removes that barrier to where we are allowed to step into these other religions and use their deities and their philosophies and stuff like that temporarily to gain that energy spectrum.

SPEAKER_04 32:14

Right. Whether it be Christianity, Hindu, Buddhist, um, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

Whatever. I mean, so the the whole fight uh between deities and religion, to me, this starts to evaporate when you start looking at it this way.

SPEAKER_04 32:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

You know, I again I understand some people they believe what in the world they want.

SPEAKER_04 32:35

Right. And this this may not be a train of thought for everybody, but you know, it's it's an effort to try and help.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

You know, I again I'm not falling if you're sitting there and you're telling me you're wanting to follow this particular pantheon, I'm not gonna kick it. Right. You know, I might express this idea and see what you think about it, and you might just throw it off to the side like it's just crap, and I just believe in the three stooges as deity and screw you.

SPEAKER_04 33:00

Right. And then again, you may come back to it later and be like, you know, well, I've I've gone through all these other deities, and you know what, I've come to this conclusion.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Exactly. Again, this is something that that takes some experience in working with. You know, and I think the majority of the time what happens is when we're kind of got foots in two different places, we start to realize that two pantheons, you know, because I see a lot of people who do pantheons of Celtic and Norse real close together. Right. And it's because the ties are pretty close there. Not exact by any stretch.

SPEAKER_04 33:36

Oh no, not by any stretch of the imagination.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

You know, but uh I I I can see a Norse getting a little upset with me for calling Thor into one of mine and going, would you you you shouldn't do that.

SPEAKER_04 33:47

Well, and I've I've also known people throughout the years who have mixed their god and goddess.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Oh, god, yes.

SPEAKER_04 33:54

You know, they might take a uh a Greek goddess and put it with a with a Norse god.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

So I mean, if they're individual, I mean, how upsetting is that to the one you don't believe in?

SPEAKER_04 34:05

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

I mean I I again I'm like with you, this is why I like this idea. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. All right. But this is why I like it.

SPEAKER_05 34:16

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

It doesn't limit me as much. Yeah, the majority of the times, me personally, when I'm doing my personal things, I feel like I relate more to the Twaffa Day Dan than I do any of the others. It's just easier for me to relate. But to me, this is like liking a song.

SPEAKER_04 34:35

Sure, yeah. It's not gonna be for everybody, right? Everybody's gonna, you know, get something different out of it.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

I mean, there's a lot of songs that I like and nobody else wants to listen to. Same here. You know, I mean, considering one of my favorite albums is The Hair.

SPEAKER_04 34:55

Not saying I hate it.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

Just be careful where you're playing it. Right.

SPEAKER_04 35:02

I don't want to play it out in public too much.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

Do you got any other thoughts on this?

SPEAKER_04 35:10

No, I think that pretty much sums it up. I mean, I've when I started on my path, it was it was kind of intimidating with trying to find something that fit with me. And I don't know. Once I started hearing the idea that we were just talking about, and I believe it's also been that you have also put it as they're two sides of the same coin.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

No, no, no. How that saying goes is uh all gods are one god, all goddesses are one goddess, and the god and goddess are just two sides of the s different sides of the same coin.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

Right. But still, it comes back to the coin. The coin is your source, right? So it doesn't matter what you do beyond that, it's still that coin. Right. And that made it so much easier for me to relate to more of what we were doing and what I was studying and what I was learning. And it I don't know, it just made it easier. It was less intimidating.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

I didn't have to worry about well, I didn't now now with you saying it like that, that makes me wonder. I can see where people would find this intimidating because now it's not just, hey, I'm gonna learn this one pantheon. And that's it. Well true. Now I have the whole scope of the whole entire world of every religion ever taught.

SPEAKER_04 36:31

Right. But see, for me, it was it was you know, okay, I relate to Anubis. Right. Right, I've always had an affinity for Anubis. But I didn't I didn't necessarily know his counterpart.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

But but I hate to be this way, but your connection to other deities that represent the same thing aren't as strong.

SPEAKER_04 36:55

No, they're not. But my point is, I you know, I didn't have a counterpart for him.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

No.

SPEAKER_04 37:02

But then it came to the point where I realized, okay, well, it doesn't have to be Egyptian.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

No.

SPEAKER_04 37:08

And I don't even follow an Egyptian path. I just relate to Anubis.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Yeah, but no.

SPEAKER_04 37:13

And so that was good that was kind of, you know, that was kind of like a mindfuck, but but that's my point. That's made it easier to deal with.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

But that's part of my point. This is why I hate to be this way, because you don't have that relationship with all the other death deities. Right. Male, female, whatever. We're just a whole category.

SPEAKER_05 37:32

Right.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

As you do with Anubis, makes me think that you are sitting at a f that for some reason you spiritually or your soul is sitting at a frequency that seems to resonate or complement this deity, and that's why in the world you're able to get closer with that one versus all the other ones.

SPEAKER_05 37:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

I just think that's wild. But when you start to think about it like that, that you're listening to a specific musical tone or a musical note. Right. Or something versus everybody else. I mean, i again, and I I I hate to be this cold and callous about it, but if we think about the names of deities, it's just the names of radio stations.

SPEAKER_05 38:16

Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

This whole entire idea that comes to be a whole lot easier. And you're just using that name and those myths and legends to attune yourself to that.

SPEAKER_04 38:28

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SPEAKER_00 38:49

We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a sea of blazing pyres. And so it is the end of our days, so walk with me till morning breaks, and so it is the end of our days. So walk with me till morning breaks.