A Revelation: The Intricacies of Prophecies and Religious Beliefs

Ready to challenge your understanding of prophecies, apocalypse, and religion? We take you on a journey into these intriguing topics. From dissecting the possible intentions behind prophecies, to contemplating the idea of an apocalypse as a collective suicide for humanity.

Ever wondered why society is so obsessed with the apocalypse and how this obsession influences religious conversion? Join us as we grapple with these complex ideas and the assertion that accepting Christ alone guarantees salvation. We'll push you to consider the importance of genuine devotion, the role of spiritual growth, and why imposing religious beliefs on others is a futile effort. A comparison to the TV show Doctor Who leaves us with the beautiful realization that our religious journey, much like our favorite Doctor, is a deeply personal choice.

In the final segment, we express our concern that the current turbulence in Israel could lead to World War 3. You might just find our desperate need for more coffee amusing, but we promise, this exploration of the complex world of religion, prophecy, and apocalypse will keep you riveted and questioning. So, grab your cup of coffee (or tea) and join us.

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Speaker 1 0:21

Music. Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk. Here are your hosts, azwan and Lord Knight. Today we're going to talk about we do not have an apocalypse, no, we don't.

Speaker 2 0:34

We have no prophecies to fulfill, either no, we don't, or anything like that. We have no mandates in our religion like there are in certain other religions.

Speaker 1 0:47

But now wasn't there a document that Lord Men?

Speaker 2 0:51

The only thing it basically said was is that the religion of the circle would eventually come back. It never said it would replace or dominate, or it would just return Okay.

Speaker 1 1:08

That's it. So it's really the only prophecy that we've ever seen or heard of.

Speaker 2 1:14

I've heard of, but even then it's. We're not getting rid of the other religions, right? All right, there are certain religions that honestly believe. For their prophecy to be fulfilled, everyone must convert to their religion, their way of doing things, the whole nine yards.

Speaker 1 1:34

Yeah, well, yeah. And then there's others that have their own set of prophecies that don't require the elimination of all the other religions. Right, but certain things still have to be in place to happen.

Speaker 2 1:49

There are certain buildings that must be built for Jewish prophecy to happen Right these same buildings are also the same buildings that need to be made to fulfill the prophecy of Christianity. So what?

Speaker 1 2:02

does that mean for us as pagans? Well, I mean the fact that we don't have an apocalypse, that we don't have prophecies. What does?

Speaker 2 2:09

this mean for us that we don't actually care about the stuff. I don't care if the Christians get to prove that. Christ, you with me, yeah, so it's irrelevant.

Speaker 1 2:18

It's irrelevant.

Speaker 2 2:21

All right. I mean it's the whole entire stuff that's going on in the Middle East right now with Israel and all that. We don't care. So then I mean we care internationally and all that, like right now what's going on, right, but what's really behind all this? Ultimately, it doesn't affect us. It doesn't affect us, we don't care. I don't think the temples being built are going to do anything.

Speaker 1 2:46

So then, in your opinion, what's the purpose of having a prophecy? What's the purpose of having the prophecy of an apocalypse, of an apocalypse of this? Is it to keep people in line? Is it to convert more people? What is?

Speaker 2 3:03

the purpose? Well, I'm like you. Is this the hammer over everybody's head? Is this what in the world they're using? I mean this kind of like, the whole entire thing about going to hell. Right, that Christians had a problem with this, especially when they first met, like the people that lived up in the more northern climates, like Eskimos and all this. Right, because they kept on talking about hell. They thought hell was a wonderful place, somewhere that's warm all the time, right, and the pastors are going. No, no, no, this is the place of torment and all that, but it's warm, right, I still don't think they cared about All. Right, again, here's your problem. Here's what I see.

Speaker 2 3:40

The problem with religions is that it doesn't always equate to everybody around the world. Again, like we said, as far as I know and I could be wrong my understanding of the Muslim faith is everyone must convert. Okay, everybody must, everybody in the world For their. We have no mandate like this, just like we don't have a mandate to go out and to convert, right, you will never see a witch standing on the street corner thumping their books of shadows going. Have you spoken with your goddess lately?

Speaker 1 4:20

The end is coming, repent.

Speaker 2 4:23

Repent now.

Speaker 1 4:24

Repent and accept the goddess into your life.

Speaker 2 4:27

Again, we don't have this Right.

Speaker 2 4:31

You know I don't. I'm not saying it makes us better or worse because, again, I still believe that for the evolution of a soul one must probably go through all these other religions. Just for that basic understanding there might be something in the Christian faith you might need. Your soul might need to learn at some point. So that means you have to be a Christian at some point to experience this. All right, again, this is our philosophy versus their philosophy, which says no, we are the only way we are right.

Speaker 1 5:07

Which we don't. We don't say that we don't say that.

Speaker 2 5:09

Which again that now leads this mad dash to these three major religions going well, we got to prove who's right by forcing the the apocalypse to come. Hmm, we're going to ensure, we're going to make moves. It might not be the soul reason, you with me. Yeah, there might be political and economics and all this other stuff driving it, but still, at the core of the argument is this what's going on right now? Why must we have an apocalypse?

Speaker 2 5:48

That's something that I can't answer, because that's that's my question to you know, unless we, unless humanity really does need a bitch slap to put us, put us back into a little bit more humility, could?

Speaker 1 6:01

be, Could it? You know, it could also be population control.

Speaker 2 6:07

It could be, but I'm like you. This seems to be more of a way for the religions to use Well, if you don't behave, this is what's going to happen, just like going to hell, right. But again, these religions, some of these religions, crave this to a certain extent, right. So again I'm back to but isn't this a form of suicide?

Speaker 1 6:34

Yeah, I think in some way it is. I mean, I don't know, I never really thought about it that way.

Speaker 2 6:39

I mean because, at the end of the day, we know what the end result of this is, ryan. I mean if they get, if these other religions get to have their apocalypse and get to blow up the whole entire world.

Speaker 1 6:53

Yeah, it would literally be the end of the world as we know it.

Speaker 2 6:56

As we know it All right. I'm not saying the earth won't recover and there are more life and blah, blah blah Many years later.

Speaker 1 7:02

But right, and it's not going to obliterate the entire population on the earth, it's just going to reduce the number drastically. Then we'll have to repopulate, we'll have to rebuild and all that other stuff. It will never be as it is now.

Speaker 2 7:18

No. And again, they always said after a war, after a nuclear war, everybody, the next war would be filled with sticks and rocks, possibly because it would knock us back to the stone age.

Speaker 1 7:34

That's very possible. I can see that. I can see that happening.

Speaker 2 7:37

I think it's funny that we don't have this, we don't have these prophecies and stuff like that, like these other religions have.

Speaker 1 7:47

Well, I think, I think part of that comes from the freedom that we have, that the other religions don't have.

Speaker 2 7:57

Because we don't believe we don't have to wait for profits to show up Right.

Speaker 1 8:02

We are our own profits.

Speaker 2 8:04

Right.

Speaker 1 8:05

So why do we have to wait for somebody else?

Speaker 2 8:09

Right Again. This is that we're talking about the mindset of people in craft that we must be able to stand on our own to help the group. Right Again your tribe, your clan, your country, whatever, is only as strong as the weakest link.

Speaker 1 8:31

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, that's the case with anything.

Speaker 2 8:34

That's the case with anything.

Speaker 1 8:35

Especially when you're dealing with groups.

Speaker 2 8:38

But yeah, but to me, this is this seems to be a backwards way of doing this.

Speaker 1 8:46

You know it's my backwards.

Speaker 2 8:47

I just don't want, why do we have to destroy it? Why does it have to be destroyed? I don't understand the prophecies. Why do you have to destroy it? If God is as powerful as these Christians or the Christians and all these other people claim, then why can't he just come, show up and be done with it? And to all these faiths we do not have free will, we don't have jack shit. We do as God tells us.

Speaker 1 9:14

Yeah, pretty much everything's been predestined.

Speaker 2 9:17

Then change the program Right, change the freaking program.

Speaker 1 9:23

Can God just not come and change the dial and program? All right and again sort of new desk, you know right.

Speaker 2 9:29

Something, because again we're back to this is the problem A lot of pagans have with Christianity. It is this continuous and some of these other more major religions. Is this constant? No, you have to be, you have to be weak. You cannot be an individual.

Speaker 1 9:50

You have to be subservient.

Speaker 2 9:51

You have to be subservient. You were made to do a purpose and that's all you're allowed to do, and nothing else. Right, all right? That makes no sense to me. Then, at the end of it, hey, we're just going to blow everything up anyway.

Speaker 1 10:10

Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but I think, I think maybe in some ways that's that's the whole predetermined thing I mean.

Speaker 2 10:18

but again we're back to this. I'm not trying to knock the religions, I mean I don't.

Speaker 1 10:24

Well, no, I mean it's working for them and it's it's something that helps them with their lives, but I don't understand the need for, like you said, for an apocalypse Right, as they're calling it, even though we know that apocalypse doesn't mean what they think it means Right.

Speaker 2 10:43

Well, I mean that's that revelations right, that the revelation is the revealing of stuff, not right. The apocalypse Right.

Speaker 2 10:55

But again, I don't get it. It's, it don't make no sense, because in our religion we honestly believe that we must reincarnate multiple times in this world to advance the soul, to go to higher planes of existence, and blah, blah, blah. This is a never ending journey as far as we're concerned, right, because new souls are being born, as old souls advance father. So again, it's this treadmill that just continues on forever. And there's nothing wrong with the world, it's just us, right. The world's fine, just the way it is.

Speaker 1 11:34

Right. If there are any problems, that is literally us, us again, we're the source of our own problems.

Speaker 2 11:41

We're getting there own way the majority of the time. But my question okay, does this mean that they needed something to motivate these people? Is that what these religions were trying to do? Maybe, because I mean, I had to be this way. There's this very specific. Ours is more vagus, so maybe they thought it was a problem when they were first creating these religions and coming up with them.

Speaker 1 12:11

Maybe it kind of makes me wish we could literally travel back in time and see these religions being formed.

Speaker 2 12:22

And, if most people notice, we're talking about mainly two religions. The Jewish religion still believes that the first coming of Christ still Right still has not happened. Still has not happened and that you must go through everything else after that. Right Again that theirs doesn't necessarily in the world, it's just their Savior coming Right. So again, why did these two decide to blow up the world, but the other one just said, okay, but they're coming?

Speaker 1 12:54

Well, I think in some ways and I don't know, you may agree or disagree with me on this I think in some ways it's the cyclical nature of things, like the earth goes through its cycles, right, we're going through a warming cycle now. Some people say it's global warming, blah, blah, whatever. Whatever, it's part of the cycle of the earth. It's going to happen. It's going to heat up, it's going to cool down and it's going to go through these cycles, just like the seasons. Everything cycles, just like our lives. We have birth, death, rebirth. So I think that the apocalyptic prophecies play into that, because there have been other quote unquote mass extinction events that have happened in the past, right, and I think that's where that comes from. I think they're playing into that cycle.

Speaker 2 13:53

Into that flood myth. That seems to be in all cultures, no matter what the? Religious belief or something that there was.

Speaker 1 14:01

I think that's where it comes from in part. May not be the whole explanation, but I think that plays a part in it.

Speaker 2 14:07

It might I mean again, we've already discussed how some myths are based in reality. Right, they're just overblown or pulled out of proportion because they're myths.

Speaker 1 14:19

Right.

Speaker 2 14:20

We don't know what this was like. We don't know what that flood was all about.

Speaker 1 14:24

No, we don't.

Speaker 2 14:25

All right. I mean, I know there's some people that says they're signed. Some people say there's that Again, nobody's giving what the could be really is Exactly.

Speaker 1 14:35

So, and of course, at this point in the game we can't say what it is, because we weren't there.

Speaker 2 14:41

And I understand what you're saying, because now you got this whole entire. Well, we've already lived through one apocalypse. Right. You know we can live through another one, but I mean, these aren't real. Wouldn't they say the same thing about hurricanes and tornadoes and earthquakes? I mean, it wasn't like this stuff just stopped.

Speaker 1 14:59

Well, I suppose, if it had, if it had been during that time, a little more primitive time quite primitive time.

Speaker 2 15:07

Well, again, again. It's not like this weather just suddenly started in the 20th century or something.

Speaker 1 15:12

Well, no, but yeah, I mean, I think you're right, I think it could have been, you know, some natural disaster or whatever Hurricanes.

Apocalypse Obsession and Religious Conversion

Speaker 2 15:20

Well, no, I just mean these, these things happening again. The primitive men, you don't have no control. You didn't know it was coming Right. The difference is is we know we can't stop them, but we know when they're coming and we can take shelter and right move and we have less death per storms and stuff like this than the than we have in the past.

Speaker 2 15:42

Yes because of better technology and being able to forewarn and all that you know I mean. Again, still some lives are lost, but they're not as grand as what they used to be Right.

Speaker 1 15:55

The numbers aren't as great.

Speaker 2 15:56

All right, I mean in her case you just come through and take out whole entire villages and towns, and I mean zero alive Right, you know, maybe one or two. So again, when you're dealing with these forces, back then I could see where in the world this would seem to be more of this. Well and overpralming force, or I don't know how to explain.

Speaker 1 16:21

Well, I was going to say, part of that comes from the fact that people didn't travel very much.

Speaker 2 16:27

No.

Speaker 1 16:27

So their world was quite literally their, their little space that they occupied Right. So even if it had been, say, greece or Rome, maybe not during those times- but this is that, but I'm talking before then.

Speaker 2 16:43

This is that whole entire argument. I've heard before about people, about storms and stuff like that was do they seem more common now because we have instant access to info, or are?

Speaker 1 16:54

they really on the rise Could be, I mean. But still, my point is is like with the great flood, right, right, just about every culture's got a got a story Right.

Speaker 2 17:05

Right.

Speaker 1 17:06

And then, during those times when those stories popped up and started generating, people didn't really travel anywhere. So, literally, that flood that flooded their region was the end of the world Right Again.

Speaker 2 17:22

That, that's my point.

Speaker 1 17:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:24

Really what we think it is, or is it something else going on there?

Speaker 1 17:28

You know, and you're right, it probably does seem more prevalent now because we do have that instant access. You know, we have all types of social media and news outlets.

Speaker 2 17:39

Well, I mean the statistics, that tell us statistics, data, stuff like this. I mean, we see it all now quite easily, right, but yeah, back in the day, you know, was it really that little snow, or was it just a little bit of snow in your area and other people are like drowning in it?

Speaker 1 17:58

Right, I think it could have been. Could have been that, because it's still that case. Today is just worse. We're seeing more of the bigger picture.

Speaker 2 18:08

Right.

Speaker 1 18:09

But again, I don't, I don't. As far as religion goes, I don't. I'm kind of glad I'm begging, because I don't see the need for an apocalypse.

Speaker 2 18:17

I don't either. I don't understand the obsession with this whole apocalypse. It's going to be over and we're going to be living in this paradigm.

Speaker 1 18:27

I know, like in Christianity, the apocalypse, when it happens, is supposed to be part of the last ditch effort for people to convert to Christianity, right Because they see the true power of God, they see that God is real and they finally convert before being killed.

Speaker 2 18:49

Again, how's this any different than the, than the scum of the earth, right on his deathbed, looking over to praise him, Looking over to praise going? Oh, here I'm going to accept Christ.

Speaker 1 19:00

Right.

Speaker 2 19:00

And then die go to heaven.

Speaker 1 19:03

So I mean is it really worth it?

Speaker 2 19:10

You know I mean, I'm sorry. There seems to. It seems like there would be more devotion there needed to get into heaven. Then, just five seconds before you pass away going no, I accept Christ.

Speaker 1 19:26

Well, I mean, according to Christianity. That's all it takes, that's all it takes. So you don't have to have a lifetime of devotion. You just, you just have to accept Christ. You just got to accept Christ, that's it. I saw a sign on a church that said while yet a sinner in Christ, you have been redeemed. So therefore, yeah, all you need to do is accept Christ and you're good.

Speaker 2 19:49

I'll repent next Sunday so yeah, and see, that's another thing. That's another thing. I don't. I know Christian pastors don't necessarily teach that, but this is the attitude of some of the congregation.

Speaker 1 20:03

A large card of it does seem to be part of that mentality that, hey, I you know, I'm saved, I'm good. All I got to do is repent for my sins.

Speaker 2 20:12

All I got to do is my confessional once a week or whatever, and I'm fine, and I'm good, I don't, I don't understand it. This is again. How is this making people more?

Speaker 1 20:25

I don't know me personally, I don't think it does but I mean don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 20:29

I mean I'm going to hang us out the dry right quick, okay. Yes. I mean, that's like us trying to get our students and everybody to do their meditations.

Speaker 1 20:36

Right.

Speaker 2 20:38

You know I mean again we. It is a key point in what we do and how we develop in the whole nine yards. I got to do is just do it.

Speaker 1 20:45

But we're also not laying guilt trips on them. No don't do it. It's like you don't want to do your meditations.

Speaker 2 20:50

Fine, fine, don't come running to me. When you have a problem, I go meditate on it and you get mad.

Speaker 1 20:56

Right, I think that's just part of our mentality. Is that we're?

Speaker 2 21:01

we're trying to give you tools to we're trying to give you tools to help you to do what the world you want to do, right, okay, again, our hope is that you want to grow spiritually in the whole nine yards. But again, I have never seen Any of the religions where, when you're forcing people to do or behave or act or to worship or to accept the religion, where it works out Forcing a religion on people never works Well, I mean it's.

Speaker 1 21:33

I hate to be this way. It's worked for decades. It's worked for millennia.

Speaker 2 21:38

No, it really has.

Speaker 1 21:40

I mean people come and go, but Christianity is still a pretty large it is but again but there is a large section of the population.

Speaker 2 21:49

They actually believe you know Muslims are there.

Speaker 1 21:54

It's a growing religion. People are still converting to Muslim and converting it's fine.

Speaker 2 22:00

Think about the Spanish acquisition. Think about when they try to force people to convert.

Speaker 1 22:06

Well, yeah never ended.

Speaker 2 22:08

Well, I Know we're not talking about the Crusades, because they weren't trying to convert the Muslims, they were just trying to slaughter a month, true? So again you have this whole entire thing here where people don't seem to understand. This is what's really going on here.

Speaker 1 22:25

Well, let's see, when you talk about it that way, the whole thing there is. They don't force people anymore.

Religion and Personal Beliefs

Speaker 2 22:34

No, because I mean it didn't work, they course them. They course them Now, they course now they, you know.

Speaker 1 22:41

You get people to feel guilty. You get people to feel afraid, right for what's gonna happen in the afterlife. You get people to Fear are you gonna upset grandma?

Speaker 2 22:52

Don't, don't.

Speaker 1 22:53

Is sometimes that works, but I think it comes down to a more personal level where it's what's gonna happen to you when you die right. If you don't know, this is this is what you need to do to ensure that you have a positive Afterlife well meaning.

Speaker 2 23:08

Again, I've heard the logic and I agree with that. Okay, if there's nothing after this and the if, the People that don't believe in God, if they're right and we die, nothing and we believe in God, what happens?

Speaker 1 23:24

nothing mmm, true, yeah, we just die.

Speaker 2 23:27

Now, if you're don't believe in God and you die, and then you find out when you get there, there is, you got a problem.

Speaker 1 23:34

Yeah, but I think that's easier to fix than Then if you believe in God and there's not one right.

Speaker 2 23:44

This is this is the argument I've heard, for that some people have used to justify being Christian. Hmm, okay, because it's an insurance that they treat it like an insurance policy. Okay, all right. Yeah you know I don't actually believe in this shit, but I'm gonna say I do and give lip service in the whole nine yards. So when the time comes, just in case, yeah, okay. Yeah, again, this is not about the religion, it's about the people, the attitude of the people following the religion, right?

Speaker 1 24:16

Yeah, cuz religion religion in and of itself is, I don't know. It can be a very beautiful thing. It doesn't matter what you believe in or what religion you're following, but religion can be corrupted by the people. Yes and that's that's the bad part.

Speaker 2 24:35

Again, it's kind of like our argument to the Wiccan community which we sit there, go, okay, y'all keep on trying to tell us what to believe, right, and they go. No, no, we're not. Yes, by sitting there, going. No, you must believe I'm a witch, no, I don't. Right, you know, you must believe this, and you must believe this and this and this, and no, you can't tell me what to believe. Now, that goes against our belief system, but yet I see them do it all the time. Well, sure, you must call me by this, these words, you must use this, you must do that.

Speaker 2 25:12

No I don't, because again, these same people would have a hissy fit if the shoes on the other foot. Oh, absolutely, I go. No, you must believe in initiation, you must believe in this. I All right Again, this is not about the religion, it is about the way people act.

Speaker 1 25:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2 25:32

I understand people believe what they believe and you cannot fight that title weight Because I can't change your beliefs.

Speaker 1 25:42

Well, no, but in my opinion, we shouldn't be telling people this is what you need to do, this is what you need to believe, this is how you need to act. This is we just shouldn't. It's it's a personal path. Right but again, how can I tell somebody what's right for them?

Speaker 2 26:02

Right and again you can. I cannot change your beliefs because they're yours.

Speaker 1 26:09

Right and if, if I'm strong enough in my belief, it is like fighting a title weight.

Speaker 2 26:13

It is like fighting a title weight Again. I mean, it's like you know the reason we don't really argue the whole initiation with the Wiccan community, because I understand their logic and stuff. I don't agree with it. I understand it Right.

Speaker 2 26:28

And I understand. There's no way around this, because again the thought goes if I believe I'm a witch, therefore I am a witch in the subject. The problem I have is they keep on pulling everybody else in with them. If I sit here and say this, you must too Right, you must accept that I said I'm a witch, so therefore I am.

Speaker 1 26:52

Well, I mean it's, it's just like us with our titles, anybody outside of our tradition? We don't really expect them to use our titles, because I don't expect them, they don't follow the same path we do. I don't expect them to show the same courtesies or the same protocol?

Speaker 2 27:12

No that I would someone inside temple.

Speaker 1 27:16

Again, it's not their path.

Speaker 2 27:18

Other tradition or one of the other traditions. I mean, what's so hard about this? Why must people impose their will upon everybody?

Speaker 1 27:31

I don't know. I mean it goes.

Speaker 2 27:32

It goes straight back to why do we have to have an apocalypse?

Speaker 1 27:37

Well, that, and it goes right back to the, the, the last podcast.

Speaker 2 27:42

It's not my tradition. It's not my tradition. I don't care. I have no judgment over it. I'm not following that again.

Speaker 1 27:48

Right.

Speaker 2 27:49

If I'm in that tradition that's a little bit different. You know it's like. Yes, I did read Thorn Mooney's first book. Did I agree with it? No, Did I like it? Yes, it was a good book. It showed a glimpse inside of a traditional Garnarian temple. Right, I'm not a Garnarian.

Speaker 1 28:09

And there were two. Well, I'm not either, but there were things that I agreed with that you didn't.

Speaker 2 28:13

Right.

Speaker 1 28:14

But that's my personal and your personal.

Speaker 2 28:19

Again, it depends on which tradition you pick, pick what tradition you choose to go into or what tradition chooses you Right. Basically it's kind of like. It's kind of like Dr who Whatever doctor you see first becomes your doctor, right Becomes your doctor. Yeah, the same thing with religion that first religion you fall in love with, that will always be your religion and there's nothing anybody can do or say to change you away from that.

Speaker 1 28:51

See, I don't necessarily agree with that.

Speaker 2 28:54

Other people might be able to talk to you and you might change your beliefs and move in a different direction, but I don't think that changes the core of what you believe.

Speaker 1 29:05

The core. Ok, I can see that.

Speaker 2 29:06

You see what I'm saying. What you believe is what you believe.

Speaker 1 29:10

I still don't know that. I agree with that completely, because my core belief was deep rooted in Christianity. I mean, I, it's what I grew up in, it's what I loved. Well, again I loved going to church. I loved worshiping.

Speaker 2 29:25

Beliefs can change, but you have to change them, not somebody else.

Speaker 1 29:32

Right, yeah, no, yeah, no. Nobody else changed my beliefs, but no, I mean by listening to other people helped.

Speaker 2 29:39

By listening to them. Listen to conversations and having conversations. This changed your mind on certain that made you look at things in a different way.

Speaker 1 29:47

Right. It challenged my beliefs in that's different.

Speaker 2 29:51

That's different versus me sitting here going no, you must be in church praying every single time it's open. Every time you must be praying, facing Mecca five times a damn day, Right, why do we have?

Speaker 1 30:05

to have an apocalypse.

Speaker 2 30:08

What's it going to solve? I don't know. You know I mean, at the end of the day, then why not just join a suicide cult and just be done with it? Problem solved. I mean, it's the same thing, it is but it's not. I understand what you're saying. No, it's not me that pulled the trigger. But you know, hey, I had the gun and I pointed it at the cops and pretended like I was going.

Speaker 1 30:40

Yeah, but I still don't think. I still don't think. A belief in an apocalypse is like committing suicide.

Speaker 2 30:47

No, I'm talking about this actively trying to force.

Speaker 1 30:53

Force an apocalypse to happen.

Speaker 2 30:55

I mean, I'm sorry, I've heard them before. There are people out here who believe this, that finance Israel just so they will build another temple, so Christ would come. Well, yeah, I mean, that's my point. Here's their motivation. Why? Because, again, at the end of the day, if God wants it to happen and y'all were right about all of this it's going to happen. You ain't got to do jack shit.

Speaker 1 31:19

Again, it's not much of a decision I that I can't speak to it anymore. I'd say I don't.

Speaker 2 31:26

And I think we have so many questions and just not enough answers again, and I'm not trying to bash Christians- this is or other religions, it's just. It's confusing to me as a pagan.

Speaker 1 31:39

Yeah, I can see that. But again, you know, my philosophy on that is is it doesn't really affect me.

Speaker 2 31:47

Well, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 31:48

But so when you're a priest and you're being asked questions, no, I know, but ultimately, when it comes down to it, that's my answer is does it affect you?

Speaker 2 31:59

Does it affect you? Does it really? Then it affects me, as if they are actually going to go as far as to create a World War Three. Well, yes, this is where I have a concern, where this is leading, because now you're fucking with me.

Speaker 1 32:16

Right and we can see. We can see where that's a good potential Right Happening.

Speaker 2 32:22

But you know I really don't care what y'all do there. I don't care if Israel, what I don't care. Y'all work it out, figure it out. Just don't cause freaking World War Three. Right, I need more coffee. I do too.

Speaker 1 32:38

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