Strengthening Character from Layman's Struggles to Priesthood

Discover the transformative power of discipline as we try to unravel its profound impact on personal growth within the priesthood. We journey through the pivotal stages of development, and the unique challenges faced by those who embrace the craft later in life. Our discussion ventures beyond the cloistered walls, drawing parallels between the structured rigor of military training and the spiritual fortitude found in religious life. Delve into how figures like Jordan Peterson echo the masculine quest for structured goals and how even without a military background, one can cultivate the same level of discipline for personal advancement.

In a world where gender roles and societal expectations weave complex patterns, our conversation sheds light on the underlying motivations of men's choices in relationships and community. We explore the where the line is drawn before discipline turns to excess. Addressing the shifting landscape of traditional family and religious practices, we contrast cherished Sunday family rituals with modern-day distractions, and examine the varying responses of Christian and pagan communities to these changes. Brew your favorite coffee and tune in for a thought-provoking episode that weaves together the spiritual, the traditional, and the contemporary, challenging listeners to reflect on their own paths of discipline and growth.

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Speaker 1 0:24

Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk. Here are your hosts, Lady Alba and Lord Knight.

Speaker 2 1:02

You are valuable or desirable trait in a priest.

Speaker 3 1:12

Yes.

Speaker 2 1:13

He didn't understand what I was saying. I found that interesting so I kind of want to dive into it. I want to look at what does it mean to be disciplined as a priest?

Speaker 3 1:28

For me, it always starts with that first ethic and moral. We have to keep your word and you need to even keep it unto yourself. So, again, that discipline is hey, I said I was going to do this, so I need to get up and actually do it.

Speaker 2 1:45

Which I'm snickering at, because, for anyone who's been married to a man for any length of time, that can often be the source of a lot of strain in a relationship. Because, yes, it's very common for people to write, say, oh yeah, yeah, I'll get to that, and they forget, or they don't, or it takes some other priority. But yeah, our priests tend to be pretty on top of that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 2:16

Yes, Again, there's this pressure, I want to say in the priesthood, for us to keep our words and to take care of stuff. So again having to be on point, having to sit there and make those decisions and stuff on top you had with me. You got to be willing to make a decision.

Speaker 2 2:44

Back in the day, and or, potentially, if you have a young man being raised in a pagan household, being raised in a tradition, what age would first degree take place?

Speaker 3 3:01

Traditionally or around actually 11, 11 or 12, you'd be starting to get your first real training on stuff, and so moving on set of puberty right, assuming that this child had been raised in craft from day one. Right.

Speaker 2 3:22

Okay. So if we look at it from that standpoint, that growth cycle right at that age, to me what is beginning to happen is that young man is starting to learn control yes, how to not act on their emotions.

Speaker 3 3:43

Yes.

Speaker 2 3:43

How to not react with. I mean, you know we always talk about how little boys are. You know they're rough and they're tumble and they like to fight it takes boys a very long time to learn how to control our aggression. There you go.

Speaker 3 4:02

All right, and this aggression comes out in multiple ways. All right, either a playing games I got to be the fastest or I didn't like what you say and I'm going to have to beat the crap out of you now.

Speaker 2 4:16

At the risk of being crass, I've had many conversations with many a priest where the expression is feast, fuck or fight. Yes, yeah, and, and that's again one.

Speaker 3 4:30

These things in and of themselves are not bad, but it's knowing when to do them properly and the proper contacts at the proper time.

Speaker 2 4:36

Right. So to me, yeah, that's discipline. Yes, now, is it going to be perfect at the age of 11, 12, 13? No, no.

Speaker 3 4:47

But, hence the reason you're being taught at their major.

Speaker 2 4:50

Yes, so assuming right that, as you continue down that trajectory, by the time they reach the age of 33, which is typically where third degree comes into play, right they have a certain mastery of this Right, yeah, and I think that that's reasonable. So for adults who are learning craft at an older age, right right. That's an interesting point, because what their development could be at any place?

Speaker 3 5:24

This is going to send us down a place we might regret later, but this is. We're talking about the same things Jordan Peterson talks about with guys clean your room set a goal.

Speaker 2 5:36

Yeah.

Speaker 3 5:37

Work your way there, toward it Right. This is what guys need. This is what men need. This is the way we have to do things. This is the way we learn.

Speaker 2 5:47

Do you believe that that's where military operations order they?

Speaker 3 5:55

help us from. That comes from there because your drill sergeants and stuff they're trained to see what potential is there and to try to bring that out in you.

Speaker 2 6:04

Right, and it's not happenstance. You take a group of young men, physically, exhaust them, not only to make them strong, but also to get their mind in the right place. In the right place, yeah, and the outcomes are much better. And I mean, yes, there's a reason we refer to things as militant, because they come with a lot of discipline and regimented action. Right.

Speaker 3 6:31

And then, as bad as this sounds, men training and training a dog is about the same thing. If you can make us hungry and tired, you can teach us almost anything.

Speaker 2 6:42

A lot of people aren't going to like that, but OK.

Speaker 3 6:45

I mean I get you.

Speaker 2 6:47

I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying because if you did that to a woman, the outcome is likely going to be very different. Right, they are going to emotionally succumb Right Before anything of value is learned.

Speaker 3 7:02

Right For a guy. And again I'm specifically saying this is a good training for guys, because again we're like OK, to get that food, to get what we want. We have to go through this, I have to achieve, I have to hit that level. I mean even me, as stupid as it sounds like, when I play video games all the time and I still could do the index. You think you hit the level. You would pause it. Smoke a cigarette. That was your reward.

Speaker 2 7:31

Oh, interesting, because you couldn't.

Speaker 3 7:34

I couldn't have a cigarette until I finished it, and again it's the same.

Speaker 2 7:39

I see my son-in-law do that. He will game until he's starving because he has to do or reach a certain point, and then he can go and have a snack. Have a snack Because he earned snack. I earned snack. How funny.

Speaker 3 7:56

This is the real male mystery that you're talking about, that the military treats us.

Speaker 2 8:02

So OK, so I were both in agreeance then that military training background can be very advantageous inside of craft, yes, so what do you recommend for those who do not have it? How do they begin the journey of obtaining? Listen to Jordan Peterson, you've laughed.

Speaker 3 8:21

Set a goal. Clean a room OK, make a decision. Hey, go Go for a 20-minute walk once a day. I, even if it is around your house. I don't.

Speaker 2 8:37

I am often so fascinated by the way men think and work and operate that I ask my male friends some really bizarre questions. And of course they're always like what is she after that? What is she doing? Like, but it's fun, Whatever, we I've had those questions.

Speaker 3 8:52

I just go yeah, I mean our philosophical moments, our philosophical moments or whatever.

Speaker 2 8:56

And I have one guy friend who he's very funny because he goes, you know he was a man wouldn't do a tenth of the things that we do if it weren't for the opposite sex, if it weren't for literally how our likelihood of attracting a mate is it dependent upon that thing or not?

Speaker 3 9:21

Was it going shopping and holding the pocketbook? Yeah for guys. But again, our mindset is at the end of the day. She's going to be happy. That means I'm going to be happy later tonight.

Discipline, Gender Roles, and Faith

Speaker 2 9:33

Right, and that's what I mean. And so he was so funny because he was basically like straight, gay, other doesn't matter. We buy clothes because other people like them. We have nice homes because other people like them. I will never forget that day. He bought a comforter set like this whole duvet pillows. He goes are you kidding me? He goes do you think I give a shit? He's like I don't want all these freaking pillows and things on my bed. He goes I care because she cares, and if she cares, gotcha, and it's a whole motivate and so I yeah, I think it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 10:15

I mean, don't get me wrong, not every guy in the world, but the majority of guys. Yes, they found in the the gray stucco cars Right. Never painted Right, because it would be about efficiency. It'd be about efficiency, not looks, yeah.

Speaker 1 10:30

Hmm.

Speaker 3 10:31

My style of cooking compared to yours. I'm very methodical. Yeah, do all this and you, oh, I just free flow, you do whatever. Yeah, insanity magic thing you do and pull out food out of air.

Speaker 2 10:44

So but it's just, it's so interesting. So so a lot of men's just like, OK, work right. Most men have the jobs that they have and they strive for the income that they have solely because. I have to provide for my family. Whatever my family looks like, that doesn't matter, but that's their motivator. If it weren't for that I'm like. What would men do with their time?

Speaker 3 11:10

Fight.

Speaker 2 11:13

But that's a really interesting way of looking at it. When we start stripping away the modern influence, what would men do? Men would take care of their dwelling. They would yeah.

Speaker 3 11:25

They would go out do their farming. They would occasionally go out and wrestle another guy to show off for the women.

Speaker 2 11:31

They would figure out a way to get by yeah, but that would really be it. All that other stuff wouldn't be necessary, which is where we're always talking about how modern life is kind of getting in the way of our faith, right, instead of enhancing it. So what, I guess, from your perspective, what elements of discipline are critical, or does it not matter? Is it just choose something?

Speaker 3 11:59

Is choose something Is doing something Is picking. Again it is setting a goal, and again something obtainable, not something Right, of course, Insane. But to lose so much weight, to exercise this much, Just like we talk about with meditation all it starts is one step, Just five minutes. Five minutes a day. I just need to. Guys tend to do better when there's a routine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 12:29

And I mean it's funny because women always sort of remark about how, oh, my boyfriend went on a diet and lost, you know, 50 pounds in like a week and a half, and I'm lost too. And it's because typically men put in, it's just more disciplined. What they do and how they do, it becomes all or nothing Right. It's very intense and as a result, yes, they tend to have results faster.

Speaker 3 12:55

But again, I think this is why women like us, because when we do fall in love with you, we're just in love with you.

Speaker 2 13:01

Right, it's potentially the same thing.

Speaker 3 13:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2 13:04

So, hmm, it's just it's. It's fascinating to me.

Speaker 3 13:11

The really hard part over all the years and stuff the one male mystery that always baffled me about it, because it seems so innate Man's ability to sit there and go no. Women and children first.

Speaker 2 13:24

Yeah.

Speaker 3 13:27

And stand there very cold heartily about it. No, they need to live before I do.

Speaker 2 13:32

Yeah, it's an interesting thing I've never learned.

Speaker 3 13:35

It's not. I never remember my dad teaching me this. But again, you know you and your family are going out for a walk out in the woods. A bear pops out. They all run behind dad Right Kids who are out in the yard playing. They scrape their knees. They run to mom.

Speaker 2 13:49

Right yeah. So magic requires discipline.

Speaker 3 13:56

Yes.

Speaker 2 13:57

And hi magic, oh boy, is all discipline. I wonder how much success, or lack thereof, people are equating with this. You know, because if you are undisciplined in your life, I can't imagine that your magic is going to be disciplined. It will, is not.

Speaker 3 14:24

Right, there's no way. And a special one might take into account. Like our form of magic, mm-hmm, that requires discipline for everybody.

Speaker 2 14:35

And that's what's interesting. That's what I think is. You know, when people talk about chaos, magic, I don't think they realize that that's actually what most people are practicing.

Speaker 3 14:44

Yeah, basically.

Speaker 2 14:45

Yeah.

Speaker 3 14:47

I mean again not to get completely off the topic, but you read about all these different magic systems and somewhere in there there's always the witches pyramid and I'm like, okay, why not just teach the witches pyramid?

Speaker 3 15:01

Yeah, I mean right, and again just a little day, but again, this still teaches discipline. I can see the discipline in the witches pyramid. We're being flat out quite honest with you. If you're, if you don't do your research, if you don't know what it is you really want, you're going to cast a spell. You're not going to get what in the world you want, then you're going to complain.

Speaker 2 15:28

But it is a learned behavior. Yes, and it is a practiced behavior. I don't think that someone can, even with the witches pyramid as a guide. You cannot put in the bare minimum and go. Well, I did my research. No, you didn't. You think you did. You did more research than you did last time, but was it really effective? Was it efficient? Was it enough?

Speaker 3 15:50

Was it enough.

Speaker 2 15:52

Yeah, hmm.

Speaker 3 15:55

The bad part about this is there's such a nebulous about this subject. How much is discipline, and when does it go out of control? When does it become too much?

Speaker 2 16:09

Hmm, okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 16:12

To where you become so regimented and want what you're doing. You can't.

Speaker 2 16:16

You're, you're well stiff. Yes, Anal retentive, yeah.

Speaker 3 16:21

OCD yeah.

Speaker 2 16:23

It's funny because you know for a long time that's how I saw John Cena. I was like he is so intense, right Like. I'm like would somebody please remove the stick? And then and now, like some of the projects and the things that I see him doing now, I'm like, oh, I had him all wrong. I'm like it's. It's on purpose, yeah. It's discipline when it needs to be and it's party time. The rest of the time I'm like this guy's great, he's a genius, yeah.

Speaker 3 16:54

I mean, this is just like anything else. Too much of anything is not good for you. Just like you know, overeating is just as bad as under eating, and not exercising is just as can be just as bad as too much exercise.

Speaker 2 17:09

Of course. So since we're we're defining discipline as a male mystery, right? What's it's, uh, what's its partner? What's the female mystery equivalent Of discipline? Yeah, is it compassion?

Speaker 3 17:24

Possibly.

Speaker 2 17:25

I think maybe that's where my brain goes. I can see that yeah.

Speaker 3 17:31

Because we're I mean again when we're in that mode, when we're doing that we are very cold hearted, logical creatures.

Speaker 2 17:37

Kind of and it. But that's not to say that's a bad thing, no. But does compassion offer the balance point that helps logic maybe rethink itself a little bit and stop and go wait a second. Wait a second, Is that too harsh, I think?

Speaker 3 17:56

it's soft I think it helps to soften the edges of discipline. Yeah so everything moves a little easier Because, again, like I said, if you overdo it you become this rigid.

Speaker 2 18:10

Right.

Speaker 3 18:11

And a little bit of compassion helps you break free from that.

Speaker 2 18:14

Sure, Well, and I mean it's where parents balance each other.

Speaker 3 18:18

Yes.

Speaker 2 18:19

Now, interesting, interesting, interesting. I'm going to need some more coffee.

Speaker 3 18:23

All right, good coffee.

Speaker 2 18:27

All right, Lord Knight, because apparently you want to ruffle some feathers. Let's talk about what's happening in the Christian community in faith.

Speaker 3 18:38

Well, I know a lot of people accuse us sometimes of being Christian apologists, but we do have our problems with Christianity.

Speaker 2 18:47

Yeah, I mean again, I think everybody has to speak for themselves on that. But at the same time, you're kind of posing a question that doesn't necessarily cover right now. You, literally, what are Christians doing? It's not just like right now. In 2024, probably in the last, what you're looking at 40 years or so yeah.

Speaker 3 19:10

Yeah okay, All right because when, I was younger, all right, on Sundays, not a grocery store. The only things that were open on Sundays hospitals, police departments, fire and gas stations that were near the high interstate where in the world the truck drivers were driving.

Speaker 2 19:32

The hilarity of this is that, okay, so you grew up in the South, I grew up up North, right, right. For us to both be able to say this is kind of wild and right, we're not that old like this is crazy. But yes, I remember as a kid Sunday was awful, not because you had to go to church. Sunday was awful because there was nothing to do.

Speaker 2 19:59

Nothing was only vague, it was so boring right, it was like yeah, kids were like oh man, sunday it was especially in the winter. If it was Sunday in the winter, oh my God.

Speaker 3 20:12

It was summer, summertime. It was fine because you'd go out and play all day.

Speaker 2 20:15

Yes, but in the winter and the cold. It was like I just remember Sunday being sitting in my parents' living room, maybe doing some of my homework for school. It was watching my dad watch documentaries and TV shows that as a kid I wanted to gouge my eyes out because I thought they were so, so boring.

Speaker 3 20:39

Right, he was watching his World War II documentaries or whatever it was Sunday mornings at our house dad cooking breakfast, watching some evangelists on TV, while mom tried to get all the kids all us kids ready to go to church.

Speaker 2 20:55

Right Half of the programming on television was either religious in nature or educational in nature, or it was reruns of something you know boring.

Speaker 3 21:03

Or Captain Kangaroo.

Christianity, Paganism, and Blame

Speaker 2 21:05

Right, it was so. Yeah, and it was mellow.

Speaker 3 21:10

You stayed home, you cooked, there really wasn't much else to do Except for hang out with your friends, play with them and hang out with your family and hang out with your family.

Speaker 2 21:21

Yeah, and most of the times that was it you weren't allowed. Sunday there was a cutoff, right. Yeah, like you were allowed to hang out with your friends till a certain time, but then it was you got to come home because we got family dinner.

Speaker 3 21:30

We got family dinner Sunday dinner. Your aunt and uncle are coming, or this one's coming, or that. Yeah, but it was a time for family. Yes, but now here's what I'm seeing nowadays Christians going around in the pagan world. This pagan world, you know. Now our country is going into this. You hear it too.

Speaker 2 21:50

Well, what do you define it? What do you, what do you mean when you say pagan world?

Speaker 3 21:54

The country is collapsing into this pagan lifestyle, so it's our fault. So again you know the collapse and moral degradation of the society is the witch's fault.

Speaker 2 22:06

Interesting or the devil, or the devil.

Speaker 3 22:09

And which my argument here is no Christians, y'all gave up your Sabbath for football and shopping.

Speaker 2 22:18

I mean, yeah, let's. Let's look at the track record, right? We're only talking about, yeah, between 35 and 40 years ago, based on our ages, and yes, now it's, you're right, sporting events have taken over, it's on every TV show, every every time there's a preacher on there.

Speaker 3 22:37

Oh, we're going to make this short because we got to get.

Speaker 2 22:40

I want to watch the playoffs or what Yep, yep Football becomes everything Football has become your God.

Speaker 3 22:47

All right Christians want to go around going. Oh, no, no, no. We're making lots, when all I see are lots of wives.

Speaker 2 22:56

And then I mean you're right, and then you know everything's open now. Those places are readily available. Family dinner has become family restaurant night, or, you know, going out to eat.

Speaker 3 23:08

If everybody shows up in God forbid, you can get them off their phones.

Speaker 2 23:11

Yeah, it is. It's kind of wild. And then, and ironically right, we still have, especially in the Jewish faith, the Sabbaths, which are Saturdays for them. It is still very common for it to be a complete electronic disconnection from sundown to sunup. Yes, A lot of. I mean so much so that your Hasidic Jews turn off their electricity. Yes, they do everything by candlelight on the Sabbath. That's kind of a big deal.

Speaker 3 23:44

So again, is this really our fault? No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 23:49

Here's what it comes down to. I think that what's happening is many of the Christian preachers, pastors, you know, congregation leaders, same as always they need a scapegoat, they need something to blame it on, they need something to some evil to work against. So the idea of capitalism, or consumerism, or people's obsession with you know, whether it be the internet, pop culture, electronics, sports, it becomes the work of the devil and we are part of that.

Speaker 3 24:27

Well, again, again in their faith. Anything that takes you away from God is part of the devil. Right, but again, I sit here, like I said, I watch a lot of YouTube and stuff like that, and I see these pastors sitting here and it's like they think it's all our fault.

Speaker 2 24:45

But do they really? That's the question.

Speaker 3 24:48

Well, again in our religion if we just need someone to blame if I'm sitting here and I was sitting here saying the same things that they were right about their religion, you would call me out on that in a heartbeat. Oh yeah, you know again in the pain community we will call each other out, but I don't see this on the Christian side. I don't see anybody. I think the Christian pastors going. Well, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 25:14

It's because we take responsibility for those decisions. But at the same time, like so, what's happening in the Christian faiths? Right, they want to retain their numbers and you do have two camps of this. Right, you have the extremists who want to play the blame game right.

Speaker 2 25:32

And who want to like basically yell at their congregation. I mean that's what they think is effective. They think that by yelling and shaming people they're going to get different results. And then you have those that have modernized enough to accept and go. I know, I know everybody wants to get to football. No worries, let's look at the scores. See what Dallas did last night. You know like it almost becomes part of the sermon or the faith it's. It's accepted as a recreational activity that binds people as a community.

Speaker 2 26:04

Yes, but yeah, they, they have willfully allowed that to take place because they know it's it's they're going to lose. Yes, it's a, it's a fight, they are going to lose. Yet there's an irony to this, and this is where I always kind of know whether I'm speaking with traditional members of craft or neo pagans. It all comes down to what are your plans on Halloween? What it is our Sunday football, I'm sorry. The only difference is it's not once a week or one you know for a see, it's once a year. Neo pagans and non traditional witches from October 28th ish.

Speaker 3 26:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 26:55

To November 1st, definitely through Halloween night. They have a million plans, right, it's parties and ritual. No, no, no, no. There's the thing. That's the one word you don't hear. Oh, it's always like party planning and you know it's. It's just fluff, it's just fun stuff. Now, don't get me wrong, I can get on board with that, I think it's great. But like those same people will say to me, what do you have planned? I'm like I have Sam and that weekend, that that is my plan, Like that is.

Speaker 3 27:36

My plan is to do my rituals, spend time with my spiritual family and sit down and eat.

Speaker 2 27:41

But also they don't comprehend how much planning can sometimes go into Salwin. Salwin can be the week up to it. I am a lunatic because it's the cleaning and the cooking and the shopping and the planning and the prepping. I mean it's it's Christmas for us. In a weird way we, there's so much that goes into that. The guess I have to forgo the parties I have to, for I love the people and it all depends right on what day Salwin falls on like not and let me clarify right.

Speaker 2 28:16

We know Salwin's date does not change. That's not what I'm saying. It's when are we able to celebrate as a group?

Speaker 3 28:22

as a group.

Speaker 2 28:22

Yeah, so many times. Surprise, surprise, right, it's Halloween night or it's the day before Halloween and people are throwing their parties and doing their things and I'm like sorry, sorry, can't do it, can't buy. This is where my commitment lies, this is this is our New Year's celebration, Christmas Hanukkah.

Speaker 2 28:46

I'll wrap it up into one, and that is that's my priority and that is it makes them sad. You know, I have friends who are like oh, that's so. And I'm like, no, it doesn't suck. I'm like go, go enjoy your party, do your thing, but like this is where I will be. So, yeah, it's kind of the same thing, right, because I mean we love Halloween, right, everybody loves spooky season, sure, but it's not. And, yes, there are loose bastardizations of the traditions and the things that we used to do, but there's not a correlation. No, they don't have. You know, what we know is Halloween in the United States has nothing to do with Salwin very little, anyway, I mean, for crying out loud.

Speaker 3 29:35

I remember us doing a Salwin celebration and kids coming around doing trigger trading and we're all sitting in our heads going. Do you know how messed this up.

Speaker 2 29:43

This is in our head, in our head, absolutely, it's wild and there's not. There's not much. You know, yes, the pumpkins and the some of the decorations, and you know the fall, the more harvest oriented stuff, absolutely. But of course, you know, day of the Dead has been overlapped, all Saints Day has been over, like all these other things that are ours. I sort of get it in that regard, but no, I mean to blame or to see us as some kind of reason for all the ills. I mean, come on, let's there. There are pastors who for years, years, absolutely Hell, harry Potter was the worst thing that could have ever happened to their community.

Speaker 3 30:35

No, no, no, let's don't forget about the backwards masking the Dungeons and Dragons scare.

Speaker 2 30:41

All of it. But the reason I bring up Harry Potter specifically is because now it's so mainstream, right, it has a park at Disney. Right, it has become such a part of our culture and like so, imagine being the pastor that was ready to die on the hill right 15, 20 years ago that Harry Potter was going to be the downfall of society and all of our children. Where is he now? Right, is he dead? First of cause, it's possible, right, he might have been an old dude to begin with, but again, the story of Harry Potter is actually very ethical and moral.

Speaker 2 31:23

I know, but he didn't bother to read it. What did he see? He just saw a bunch of little kids running around in wands and went oh my God, yeah, so I don't know, but imagine like, if there's still if there's, some of them are still around, do they still feel that way? Or are they just grumbling in the corner because they had to give up on that argument?

Speaker 3 31:44

Well, now is this the same thing that we saw like during the 80s, where the pastor would get up and speak against gays and then their son would suddenly come out of the closet and they changed their tune.

Speaker 2 31:53

Right, I mean they at some point they all evolve. They have to hopefully, they Hopefully, but there's, there's a lot of that. I mean, like I can only imagine I have loads of friends who are devout Christians, who love Harry Potter to no end, and that usually becomes the gateway of the conversation of my religion, because I have to use that to kind of soften the blow.

Speaker 3 32:22

Well, again, when you're dealing one on one, the tension between pagans and Christians aren't there?

Speaker 2 32:27

No, no, no, no, it's not that bad. Sometimes it is, but usually it's it's. It's not that bad. But what I'm saying is these are devout humans who were raised on Harry Potter, who still love Harry Potter, who, like now we're introducing their children to Harry Potter, in no way, shape or form, influenced or changed their religious beliefs.

Speaker 3 32:49

So I mean, just like Dungeons and Dragons did not drive all of the kids insane, you know, ok, there's a few people that took it a few a little bit too far, but there's always going to be those people.

Speaker 2 33:01

Anything can cause that. We're we're seeing, you know. Now the new fear is right virtual reality and some of the AI technology and is it going to take over and do the same thing? I mean, we've been here before.

Speaker 3 33:15

Well, again, the same keeps on coming up again. Because again, what? During the 90s it was the EverQuest and the kids that kept on killing themselves because they lost their accounts.

Speaker 2 33:25

But you got to remember it only takes a handful of fundamentalism fundamentalists to latch on to an idea in the Bible that they refuse to let go of.

Speaker 3 33:38

Yeah.

Speaker 2 33:39

And if they do that and they repeat it enough times and you repeat it enough times and you get people at a young enough age and you continue to repeat it, you're going to convince them. So, yes, we will always be a scapegoat to some because of the biblical references. True, I don't know that we can avoid that, unfortunately. But but, yeah, to look at the, what I would say is the evolution of society and the reprioritization of society and say that that's us. I got news for you. We're the ones having to go to our employer and go to HR department, knock, knock. I need these 22 calendar days off from work. What, what? Well, you see, these are all of our holidays and these are all religious dates and I need to be able to observe. So if you'd like me to work on Christmas Day, I'll do it when no one else is here and the doors are closed. But you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 34:46

For some reason, companies seem to like that.

Speaker 2 34:50

But I know that's where we kind of get. We giggle at that because it's not at all the same. No, I don't know. I think it's also getting better, though it is creating more tolerance. It's, you know, it's evolving.

Speaker 3 35:07

It might not be as much as it used to be in the back in the day, but like I said I still see it now and here and there, and sure, especially here lately.

Speaker 2 35:15

But I mean, you even have in. I think the numbers are much smaller, or at least maybe in my heart I would like to believe that that there are still Christians who think the Jews are quote unquote devils, and that they're, you know. So it's not just us. We're just an easy mark, unfortunately, maybe. Yeah.

Speaker 3 35:37

You want to get some more coffee Okay.

Speaker 1 35:40

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