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Pagan Coffee Talk
When Circle Follows You: The Art of Post-Ritual Engagement
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Discover the often-overlooked power of "ritual homework" - those sacred tasks and objects that follow us home after the circle closes. Our conversation explores how these intentional practices create a vital bridge between ceremonial space and daily life, preventing spiritual practice from becoming disconnected from our everyday existence.
We dive into various forms this homework might take - from nurturing plants and re-gifting sacred objects to contemplating meaningful phrases or interacting with the natural world. For newcomers, these assignments can feel intimidating, but we emphasize there's no grading system here - just opportunities for deeper connection. Drawing fascinating parallels with Catholic traditions like Palm Sunday crosses and Ash Wednesday markings, we reveal how this concept transcends religious boundaries.
For those leading rituals, it is important to introduce take-home elements gradually and meaningfully. The key lies in creating organic extensions of ritual work rather than arbitrary tasks and involving participants in the creation process whenever possible. This delicate balance acknowledges a fundamental truth: while we can't live in sacred space constantly, neither should our spirituality exist only within designated times and places.
The episode's second half transitions to examining concerns about Christian nationalism in America. We unpack why, despite growing media attention, such movements face significant obstacles - including constitutional protections and, perhaps most importantly, the incredible diversity within Christianity itself. Which denomination would prevail? Which interpretations would dominate? These questions reveal the improbability of a truly unified Christian nationalist movement gaining meaningful traction.
Join us for this thoughtful exploration of how to carry your practice beyond ritual space while maintaining the delicate balance between the sacred and mundane worlds.
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Speaker 2So, lord Knight, we've talked a lot about rituals and what makes a good ritual and what a ritual is composed of and what you shouldn't do for a ritual, but something we've never really addressed is how a good ritual often comes with a bit of homework. Yes, yeah, or some take home component.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, we're not talking about anything. Sometimes not too difficult. No, Maybe go home bury this.
Speaker 2Bury this, hang this, meditate on this, put this somewhere that you'll be reminded of it. Yeah, occasionally it's, you know, write something about something, or yeah, it's usually not anything super intense. But why? Let's talk about the why. Why. Why do we do that? Why is ritual homework important? Because, again.
Speaker 2We believe that our lives should interrupt our religion, not our religion interrupt our lives Right practitioners to bring some circle back home and back to their mundane, to be a reminder and to be a more integral part of their day-to-day. We see, however, a lot of rituals where that's not the case and it's just sort of we're here, you know.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2And I always kind of wonder about that. Like to me, any good service sermon mass right there has to be a take-home portion.
Speaker 3To me it should at least strike up some conversation. Something it's seasonal, it seems like rituals should that? Rituals should motivate you to want to research more into this.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3Or to look into or to do I don't know how to put that, what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2It should evoke the want for more connection.
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 2Yeah, not be some kind of a patch for it? Right, you know, like a nicotine patch, like I got my, I got my, my, my monthly dose of ritual.
Speaker 3I'm good, you know.
Speaker 2I'm good I'll just put it slap. Another one on next month.
Speaker 3Yeah, but we also have those people who are.
Speaker 4I'm good for a year.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah Well you know, is hoping that we can instill a need or won't to also still be in ritual space.
Speaker 3The majority of our religion is literally focused on that ritual part, not itself. Right, I do. Are you with me? Yeah, why?
Speaker 2even though those rituals mimic, yeah, life at the same time it's hard because we there's this weird balance of if everything is sacred, then nothing is sacred, right, right. And so it's hard inside of ritual space, because we construct something and we build something that is very powerful and very palpable, but we can't live in that all the time. No, I mean we could, but it would be a little challenging. Well, I mean, that's well.
Speaker 3I hate to be this way. There are people that go out there and do the lesser banishing ritual. Where they come home they do this.
Speaker 2They're technically sitting in the middle of their living room watching TV inside sacred space, right inside sacred space, yeah, and I mean it's one way to get used to it, it's one way to have it affect you a little less and be able to function more effectively in it.
Speaker 3Or could it be overdoing it? Too much exposure, yeah, taking you too far onto the spiritual plane, not allowing you to focus on this plane.
Speaker 2Yeah, always a risk.
Speaker 3So again delicate balance here, right?
Speaker 2So how do we give out little doses yeah? Homework Right so what are some of the types of homework that you've done throughout?
Speaker 3the years, oh, that have been given to me or that you've given oh that's been given to me or that you've given. Oh, let's see. I believe there was one year we all passed the plant around.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 3Everybody had to take care of a plant for a whole year.
Speaker 2Oh, wow.
Speaker 3Everybody had to keep it alive, wow. And they had to bring it back for each full moon.
Speaker 2Oh, my goodness, oh, wow, okay, that's cool. Okay, we have. Yeah, we've had rituals where we've had plants that have been given to everyone in circle right to take home and to keep alive. Um, we have had rituals where you are given a gift inside of circle that you are then instructed to re-gift To someone else. To someone else.
Speaker 3Oh no, those are fun because, again, how do you tell the other person what in the world is going?
Speaker 2on. Yeah. Well, it depends on how forthright you want to be.
Speaker 3And the time of the season, because Christmas is a good way. Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2Yeah, um gosh, we have had um seeds or um anything botanical right that needs to be taken care of or replanted or purpose I think we even took wild seed just to go out anywhere randomly to throw them out. Yep, what else we have had? Rituals that involve quotes, phrases, parables, right, that are then to be meditated upon for a certain amount of time or taken into your mundane life as reminders. Those are always fun little affirmations, and the like.
Speaker 3I've seen some yeah, we're. I've seen a lot where we have the people interact with other people outside.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, we've done things with music and musical instruments.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2They're meant to. Yeah, just bring a little spark of music magic into your life outside of ritual space.
First-Time Homework Experience
Speaker 3But now this whole entire process can be a little disconcerting when you first come into circle and it's your first time, and then you start to realize you have homework. What was that like for you that first time? You're sitting there in ritual and I go hey, here, take care of this sitting there in ritual and I go hey, here, take care of this.
Speaker 2You know, I think early on it's a little nerve-wracking because you don't want to mess up, you don't. You don't want to be the, the witch whose dog ate your homework right, or who forgot to do your homework, so that can be a little, a little tough, and so you become a little obsessed in that regard right um. And then there's also something that happens where I think early on we get really um, sometimes intense about that came from sacred space. Don't touch that right, we become protective unnecessarily of the thing right yeah, which it which you know.
Speaker 2The irony of that is, technically everything comes from sacred space stop it, it's fine, um, and then sometimes it's incorporating something into your own magical practice that you normally wouldn't Right. Right, I was given or gifted this thing. How do I use this now?
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 2How do I get creative about what I can do with this? No, that's always interesting.
Speaker 3It's definitely when you start taking these lessons outside of circle, when you start paying attention, you start to see things and notice things that you normally don't.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, Absolutely.
Speaker 3Most of the witches I know already know what color the leaves are going to change and when they're going to change. Pretty much.
Speaker 2I mean, you know we're sitting here in January in North Carolina, it's freaking cold and we are already talking about planting and gardening.
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3No, not even. It doesn't even sound out of place to us.
Speaker 2Not at all, even though the ground's too cold to work right now.
Speaker 3But yeah, when you're first coming into this thing, people will go what? So? Be aware out there. Hey, you might get a ritual you could wind up with homework.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, it's not. I think it's becoming more and more a thing and I, and again I think it's, if nothing else, it's always nice to plant a seed inside of ritual or an idea that people take with them. We don't do a lot of praying in circle.
Speaker 3No.
Speaker 2Because I would rather you take that prayer home, Home and yeah.
Speaker 3Now let's take this concept and compare it to why don't the Catholics do this? Or do Catholics do this? They do Because I can't think of any of the Southern Baptist church I went to that did stuff like that.
Speaker 2The Catholics do it because it's part of the sacrament process, like the Catholics do it with like rosaries and prayer beads and you know things like that do it with like rosaries and prayer beads and you know things like that. But the Catholics to me, you know again, this is where I always say it kind of my that upbringing really primed me to be a pagan. I mean, I remember, you know, palm Sunday we would get the palms and as a kid I never understood what the big deal was. I'm like what's with the palms? And then my dad would take them. And you know, some people would just take the palm and like hang it somewhere in their house or just no, my dad, because he learned from his dad, knew how to take, take the palm and tie it up into a cross right and take other little pieces of pot of the palm to me and he would like origami, a palm, and then he would make crosses for everybody in the family.
Speaker 2And these things were all over the house. You know, they were stuck everywhere. So one would be in somebody's car, you'd see it in somebody's bathroom mirror, you know, yeah, I love that idea, that's just but it's basically, it's um, it's the, it's a bridget's eye, it's the same concept as us making one of those. You know the catholics were big, I mean, you know, uh, wearing the ashes on Ash Wednesday and walking around with your smudgy forehead all day, and you know same thing.
Speaker 3As in the blue star. Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, they were. There was always something that felt like you were kind of being given a bit of homework. Yes, yeah, but, but it's but. It's constructive, it's nice, I enjoy it anyway. If a group isn't used to doing that yet, how do you introduce it?
Speaker 3I'd slowly to start off with. Maybe do one full moon.
Comparing to Religious Traditions
Speaker 2Okay, then see how that goes, then do another and see how people take to it, because some people will, some people won't yeah, you know, because there's many times we've gone to ritual and yes, there's homework and yes, and see how people take to it, because some people will, some people won't.
Speaker 3Yeah, you know, because there's many times we've gone to ritual and, yes, there's homework and yes, you find my homework laying on my desk here.
Speaker 2Well, I think too. The reality is there's no grading system. No, Don't make people feel like there's an obligation or like they have to.
Speaker 3Well, we're never going to ask you the next full moon. Did you do it, did you write?
Speaker 2we just automatically assume you do and go on and we go on yeah, we don't, we don't try to make it an accountability system, because I think when you do that, then you start making people nervous no, but the only time we would get involved in that is if we do a meditation or something and somebody has something that comes up.
Speaker 3Yeah, and then that's specifically yeah.
Speaker 2You're right. You know what? Because usually we have students come to us and go hey, so I did my full moon homework and here's what happened. And then we're like, oh, okay, yeah, and then it opens up a secondary discussion or you know something in class that we talk about. Yeah, yeah, that's true, but don't, don't make people feel like they have to report on their homework.
Speaker 2Otherwise that will, yeah, that will not go well. No, but get creative and I think, wherever possible, get people involved in the making process. Yes, wherever possible, get people involved in the making process. Yes, get them involved in the hands-on, because that is really where I think you start to foster that idea of making it more of a day-to-day process. Yep, I like that. Yeah, ready for coffee?
How to Introduce Homework Gradually
Speaker 3Yeah, I like that. Yeah, ready for coffee. Yeah, all right here lately on a few of the pagan podcasts and on the news and stuff I've heard people start to talk more and more about this Christian nationalism. Okay, all right, so let's start with what defines Christian nationalism. Well, from my understanding, they're wanting the government to run as if it was the church.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 3Right. In other words, all laws are based on the Bible and ran, therefore as such, I mean.
Speaker 1So basically the church runs the government, not the government running the church Runs the church, right Okay?
Speaker 3Kind of like in Rome with the Catholic Church Right, I mean technically the Pope is their president of their little country. Yeah, in a manner of speaking, in a manner of speaking, all your taxes then become tithes to the church, right? I see a lot of people worried about this because it is growing. It is becoming more and more of a larger movement, but I don't see it as a movement that will ever actually go anywhere.
Speaker 1Well, it's been a movement. From my understanding that's popped up, you know, over the past five decades or so. I don't know it's probably longer than that, but it periodically pops its head up and right, but with the new election and all this it is. This is reassurged right as a topic in there and more and more people seem to maybe be listening to what these people are saying versus well, I think the reason they're more concerned about it now is because they were very vocal in their support for a particular candidate.
Speaker 3Which we're not getting into.
Speaker 1Yeah, we're not here to discuss all of that, but I'm just saying, though, because of that being so public and so vocal, and that people are considering okay, maybe this really is a viable threat to religion, do you?
Speaker 3actually see this as an actual threat I don't? I see it as kind of like the tea party and how it sort of went. I think this would do the same thing every time yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1I don't see it as a viable threat, simply because if they were to take control, there's going to be a lot of infighting amongst themselves, because then it's going to come down to well, which interpretation are we following?
Understanding Christian Nationalism
Speaker 3Are we going to be a country of Baptists? Are we going to be a country of Catholics? Are we going to be four-square gospel?
Speaker 1Are we going to be and see? That's where I don't understand where the Christian nationalists are coming from.
Speaker 3Because these Christian what's?
Speaker 1the background. What is the cohesiveness between denominations that brings them together?
Speaker 3Because me and you both know these denominations all right, sure A lot of these and I'm telling you right now they don't get along with one another. They get along without each other, just like pagan groups get along with each other sometimes.
Speaker 1Well, and you know, there is a coalition of Baptists who are fighting against the Christian nationalist organizations.
Speaker 3On top of it.
Speaker 1So, but again that's what I'm saying. I would like to talk to someone and find out what's the cohesiveness of this organization. What brings you together.
Speaker 3What sect, which teachings are you going to follow Right and which ones aren't? So I don't. I mean because I know there's a big battle between the Baptists and theolics over the whole entire worshiping of false idols praying to mary and all these again. There again there's a big issue religiously there. I mean literally. There are baptists that think that catholics are going to go to hell because they don't they pray to other things besides christ.
Speaker 1Okay, this is all pretty much common knowledge, though, so I mean my point here is why are we so worried about this?
Speaker 3They can't even get along with each other. How are they going to get along long enough to actually run a country?
Speaker 1Well, that's the thing. If Christian nationalist organization Right, I'm going to call it that Right Right organization right, I'm gonna call it that right, right. If they do have a cohesive foundation that they're following, then that could be an issue. Otherwise, I think it's going to come down to, there's going to, like I said before, there's going to be a lot of infighting.
Speaker 1There's going to be a lot of heads butting because this portion of the organization wants to follow this particular path. This portion over here on the right wants to follow this particular portion and nobody's going to agree on anything.
Speaker 3And we don't even want to bring the snake handlers and stuff into this to make it even worse on top.
Speaker 1Well, my guess is they probably don't associate with them.
Speaker 3But again, they're Christian.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3I'm sorry. I keep on seeing the pagan community talk about the Christians as if they're this massive force, this massive wall, and I don't see them that way.
Speaker 1Well, and there's still a lot of pagans out there who tend to bash the Christian religion.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean there's a lot more hostile intent from the pagan community toward Christianity now than what there used to be, I think so.
Speaker 1I mean we could be wrong about that. We could be wrong about that, but I see that as a major problem in and of itself because I think in some ways that's helping to feed folks like Christian nationalists.
Speaker 3Right, because now we have an enemy.
Speaker 1Right. So it's kind of giving them fuel for the fire, if you will. Right. And I think if we all just came down to what we try to teach and I know some other groups try to teach is an acceptance and a tolerance of other religions, right and understand that we all have the freedom to believe what we want to believe.
Speaker 3And to worship the way we see fit Right. Without being interfered by anybody else.
Speaker 1If we all just come to that agreement.
Speaker 3We still haven't even talked about the whole entire thing that the United States will promote no religion whatsoever or establish a religion.
Speaker 1Yeah, I believe that is in the Constitution. It is literally written in the Constitution.
Speaker 3Yes, so my understanding is christian nationalists would have to take that part out right, there would have to be some changes to our constitution because you can't have a church of america no or a federally church of I don't know how you say that kind of like the church of england.
Speaker 1Well, yeah, it would yeah, it would be a national religion. Yeah, just like you know certain nations have, you know, a national language, right, an official language. It would be the official religion.
Speaker 3I mean because, in and of itself, Christian nationalists would turn this country into basically what Muslim countries are.
Speaker 1Well, I think it would go back to the whole.
Speaker 3well, yeah, you're right, I mean not exactly you know, but I just mean as in the tone and feel.
Speaker 1It would go back to the reason this country was founded was because of this.
Speaker 3Right, this is what we ran away from. A government sitting there going. You must believe and worship this way.
Speaker 1Right. So, therefore, I don't think, if people truly believe in the Constitution, if people truly believe in the foundation of America, I don't think this will be a problem.
Speaker 3I don't think it is either and, again, I don't think the coalition would stay together long enough because, like you said, because of the infighting, Do we need to make a voice against them?
Speaker 1Do we need to stand up and say this cannot happen, right, or do we just let it go and let it fizzle out? Well, I don't say we. Do we take that chance?
Speaker 3I don't say we let it fizzle out or anything. We should talk about it. But again, when you're sitting there talking about it, I don't think we should be talking about it as if it is World War III coming over the hill tomorrow.
Speaker 1No, but I think we do have to understand that it is a threat.
Speaker 3Again, it's always going to be a threat when you have government. Again, it's the same thing. Would you feel the same way if there was a pagan nationalist movement? Yeah, I would. I'd say I would too. I wouldn't want that, because, again, which pagan tradition are you? Following which law and which myth, and what if we don't all like those?
Religious Freedom vs Nationalism
Speaker 3all good questions you know, because my understanding, there are people. There are people who are in these muslim countries who do want to leave because they don't want to be part of this religion anymore because of the way it treats them. Yeah, and I'm sorry. Once you're in those situations, in those type of countries, you normally can't leave, or it's very hard to.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think it's very hard for them to leave. You know, Not that they can't. There's too much in place to make it an easy retreat Right or an easy escape.
Speaker 3You know I mean because in America I don't see how in the world they do it, unless they make each state a different Christian religion.
Speaker 1That's going to create a whole new set of problems.
Speaker 3Oh.
Speaker 1God, yes, I mean essentially. You can't do that either, because you know, like I said, then you're going to have states at war with each other and then we're just going to be the divided states of America.
Speaker 3There will be no unity Again don't get me wrong, I'm with you. Something we should keep our eye on and watch the world goes on, because, well, weird shit happens that it does All right. This is not as much of a. I don't think it is as much of shit happens that it does All right that you know. This is not as much of a. I don't think it is as much of this. I'm more worried about World War III breaking out in Europe than I am over a Christian nationalist movement actually taking root Right.
Speaker 1Are you?
Speaker 3with me. Yeah, I'm more worried about that comment that's supposed to hit us in. What 2036?
Speaker 1Whatever that's supposed to hit us in what? 2036? Whatever, I'm less worried about that than anything else. I'll be lucky if I'm still alive around that time.
Speaker 4I mean, I'll just say there's a lot on my list that I'm more concerned about. That comes ahead of that.
Speaker 3yeah, that comes ahead of this, and I don't understand why in the world the pagan community is really getting that hung up on it.
Speaker 4Are you with me and I?
Speaker 1don't mean, I'm not talking about, not talking about it, but Well, I think it's just the nature of the generations now that tend not all of them, but most of them tend to get triggered over little things and then it's a whole dramatic effect.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1There are more drama queens now than there have ever been in this nation. People get ticked off over the slightest little thing and make a big deal out of it.
Speaker 3They turn mountains into molehills.
Speaker 1Yes, they do.
Speaker 3Excuse me, they turn molehills into mountains.
Speaker 1Yeah, and so it kind of makes me wonder is there a? Way that we can fix that.
Speaker 3But with that in case, is the Christian nationalist movement actually as big as we think it is, or has it just been overhyped for media attention?
Speaker 1That's a good question. I mean, how are we going to know? That's not on the US Census.
Speaker 3No.
Speaker 1Are you a white Christian nationalist? Are you a no? Are you a white Christian nationalist? Are you a black Christian? Are you just a Christian nationalist?
Speaker 3That is not on the US Census, then I'm sorry, then you stick the whole black and white thing. That even makes it even worse.
Speaker 1I'm like really Because now we're back to. Okay. Are we resurrecting the old days of the KKK Right? Is okay, are we resurrecting the old days of the kkk right? Is that what we're actually doing when we're talking about? Yeah, well, not we, but is that what the christian nationalists are trying to do well I'm sorry, good lord, come on y'all, we've heard what.
Speaker 3What was that we? We listened to, about their, their prayer or something, or their national anthem, and I'm kind of y'all have lost y'all's mind.
Speaker 1Yeah, it was some type of creed that they were praying and it was all. It was very disturbing.
Speaker 3It was very arrogant and not Christian whatsoever.
Speaker 1No, it was very Authoritative yes, authoritarian.
Speaker 3Yes, yes, like I said, it was very authoritative, authoritarian.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, like I said, it was very disturbing.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean. I guess, each their own. I'm sure they're. Well, I don't want to say I'm sure, but there's possibly a pagan equivalent out there. Could be, it would not surprise me.
Speaker 1They just haven't made themselves known. They're just not as known Could be. I mean, surprise me, they just haven't made themselves known. They're just not as known Could be. I mean, I wouldn't rule it out.
Speaker 3Are there pagan nationalists?
Speaker 1I wouldn't rule it out. I mean, there's probably some folks that say, well, we are a pagan nation.
Speaker 3Well, you know, but again, I'm not going to sit here and bang my head up because some Christian concepts, concepts were weaving into our. Yeah, I'm not gonna set my hair on fire for this well, that's, that's a. That's a different story. That's a whole nother argument. That's a whole nother thing there, but yeah no, I, I do not think we were originally set up to be specifically a christian nation?
Speaker 1I don't think so either. I think I think because of what our founding fathers and and the early settlers and where we're coming from.
Assessing the Real Threat Level
Speaker 3The place that they were coming from were very christianized nations to begin with, right I mean because y'all got to remember the whole everybody over here, all the people that England let come over here were the Quakers and all the religions they did not agree with. Right Came here. They weren't just asked, they were sort of encouraged to leave.
Speaker 1Probably yeah, a lot. It's like you want to leave. Please leave.
Speaker 3Please we won't.
Speaker 1Because, you do not fit in with our beliefs.
Speaker 3Right, so again you're going to wind up with the same problem here, this is what this country and you're wanting to go right back to it.
Speaker 1Yeah Now. Did our founding fathers have any idea that paganism at some point would rear its head up again and become what it has today?
Speaker 3I think some had a hope, probably.
Speaker 1I mean.
Speaker 3I really do believe there were a few of the founding fathers that were more pagan-ish. I wouldn't, say pagan or witchcraft, but more pagan-ish.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3In their thoughts. Could have been, and there was a hope that there would be a real enlightenment to a religion of wisdom and enlightenment and nothing of authoritarian.
Speaker 1But again, when they sat down and they wrote the Constitution, that was in there.
Speaker 3Freedom of religion. It's literally the first.
Speaker 1And if we go to a Christian nationalist nation?
Speaker 3You're going to have to take that out. You have to take that out Because then you can't speak against the church or the actual government either. Right, right, because now your speech is going to have to be curtailed.
Speaker 1Which is also yep, it's going to infect our freedom of speech. So good, figure. Hold another can of worms, which is also yep, it's going to infect our freedom of speech. So good for you.
Speaker 3Hold another can of worms another can of worms like I said, I don't think it's anything to worry about directly. I don't see a group like this ever, because again these questions will come up. People will ask these questions of them. I hope they would, as they, if they take power and stuff like that, then ask these questions of them. I hope they would.
Speaker 4If they take power and stuff like that.
Speaker 3But again, I have a thousand other things I'm more concerned about than this actually happening. Let's go get some coffee, alright?
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