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Pagan Coffee Talk
Everyday Magic, Human Blind Spots, And Whose is Who's
Most people miss what’s right in front of them—and that gap can protect privacy, preserve meaning, and keep the peace. We open with real-world examples of inattentional blindness, from staged scenes to everyday office experiments, and show how observation is a skill you can train.
Then we shift to a question that stirs strong feelings: do you need a Norse path to honor Yule? We make the case that the winter solstice belongs to everyone, while acknowledging that words carry history and deserve respect. Names travel across cultures because people do. Traditions evolve because communities change. The heart of practice isn’t the label on a holiday—it’s the integrity behind it. Know the roots if you can, give credit where possible, and let your conduct reflect your values. Religion, at its best, is a living synthesis that helps us become better people; it adapts without losing its core.
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SPEAKER_00:So we got to say in the temple.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:Well, actually, there's a saying in craft I hear a lot. Hiding stuff in plain sight.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:What are we talking about? I I mean, what what kind of manipulating magic are we doing? Well.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it's it's kind of like this. You have um, say you have uh placard of the green man and you hang it on your wall.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Most people are they're gonna be, oh, that's cute.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:People who don't know are just not gonna notice.
SPEAKER_00:We're we're playing on something in human behavior that most people don't actually realize. People are not that observant in their environment.
SPEAKER_03:They're really not.
SPEAKER_00:All right. Uh the best I ever saw was they they staged this. I saw this video. Well, I'd maybe have to find it one day. Uh, but they staged a robbery in front of like 30 people. The woman got her purse snatched from her in the park, and believe it or not, the robber wore sort of bright clothes, and so did she, and the whole nine yards, but yet the descriptions were way off. They said the man was wearing what the color the woman was wearing, and all this other stuff, and they just showed how unreliable human. Well, again, I guess the argument is were was it a bad observing or is it bad memory?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, uh it's it's kind of like that there's there's an old video that floated around, and you know, you'd see all these people walking, and and then they would say, you know, how many basketballs did you see?
SPEAKER_00:Or how many passes did you see?
SPEAKER_03:And then at the end it's oh, did you see the gorilla?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Everybody's like, what it shows that we we as humans are not truly observant of our surroundings.
SPEAKER_00:As we think we are. No. No. I it it it takes some it takes some practice and some skill to learn how to be more observant in your environment. And the more and the more observant you are about your environment, the more information you can collect about people. I I hate to be that way. It's just I've I've sat there and like be working with a group of people, and God forbid I can always figure out when everybody's going to the bathroom. Because it all seems telltale signs, all right. And I'm like, okay, everybody's getting worn down. We need to maybe take a break or whatever. And then you would sit there and again when I was management and I would do this, everybody'd be like, How did you, how did you, how I'm observant. And I take it, take it being observant takes time, it takes some practice.
SPEAKER_03:It does, it takes some effort for sure. Um, I'm still not the best at it. And you know, I admit I could use some more practice, and I try to do that on a daily basis.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I mean, just being centrally aware of your environment in and of itself when you're out in public.
SPEAKER_03:I mean Absolutely, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Again, I I think we've all seen the joke. I'm not sure how true it is where you got the guy, where they show the guy and the girl walking down the walkway, and the guy's like, okay, there's that guy there. There's, you know, there's my exit, there's that other exit. What's this guy doing? Oh, we need to move over here. Then they switch to the girl and she's like, oh la la la la la. Oh, look, isn't that pretty? Oh, look at that. I didn't put that.
SPEAKER_03:I think it's a bit stereotypical, uh, especially nowadays, but it I mean, it proves the point.
SPEAKER_00:But does it? Because here's my point. Who's being more observant in this fashion? Why in the world? He's not noticing all the clothes, she's not noticing all the dangers.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:At no point did either one of them notice all things around them.
SPEAKER_03:No, but uh and that that's the point.
SPEAKER_00:That's the point. That's the point we're talking about. You know, when you're hiding stuff in plain sight.
SPEAKER_03:You think you're being completely observant, but guess what? You're missing something.
SPEAKER_00:You're always missing something. You know, staring up at the sky, why you know, you might miss the flowers that you're stomping upon. Absolutely. So, so what's some of the ways we hide stuff in plain sight, besides literally just setting it out there going, okay. If people notice, I'll just look at them go, okay, whatever. If I don't act like a big deal about it, nobody else will.
SPEAKER_03:Um well, I mean, that's probably the most common thing that we do. Um, the other thing is, is I mean, sometimes it's the words we say or the words we write. Um, you know, there's a lot of times you can have a conversation with somebody and you can flat out tell them something and they won't even catch it.
SPEAKER_00:Nope. No, they'll they'll completely miss the undertone or what you're saying and walk away and think, okay, whatever. Even though you've dropped the biggest mystery in the world upon them, going, hey, here you go.
SPEAKER_03:How many times in class do we do that?
SPEAKER_00:Well, again, I you know, I tell all of my students, you know, by the time you take all the classes, you know all the mysteries I know. Right. You just don't know you know them. So, which is funny, but go figure.
SPEAKER_03:It is. Are there are there any other ways that we uh hide things in plain sight?
SPEAKER_00:Of course, you know, there's always the whole entire trick of uh when you're painting walls to actually paint the symbols on the walls and then cover them over with a different type of paint. You know, so that way the symbol's there, but it's not there.
SPEAKER_03:Right. So sometimes we actually do hide stuff, but well, I think I think another way that you can do that is if you know, it's if you're doing decorations on something, you know, even if it's like a wreath for your door or anything like that, you can always throw certain elements in there, and people will just be like, Oh, that's pretty. You know?
SPEAKER_00:I mean, there's once you realize or once you start paying attention to stuff like that, like I said, it really does take a hard time to do it. I mean, the best way to do it is to go somewhere where you're normally not and like walk in there and like look at look at everything for like 15 minutes, go outside, sit down and try to write down everything you can remember you saw. Then go back inside and see how much you missed or didn't get right.
SPEAKER_03:Right. That's a great exercise, actually.
SPEAKER_00:You know, that that's about the only way I could think of that you sort of do things, or you go into the grocery store and you literally look at every item on the shelf once at a time. You know, uh, and I know that sounds very hard to do. I mean, it would take forever, but if you do it a little bit each day or each time you go to the store and then try to remember where everything is.
SPEAKER_03:That works as long as they don't shuffle things around like my grocery stores tend to do once a year or something like that.
SPEAKER_00:Or every seasonal, they'll move the end caps and stuff. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It's like, you know what, you're not helping me here.
SPEAKER_00:You're not helping me, you work with me.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, absolutely. I mean, how many times, how many times do I mean to show you how easy that works, stuff that you buy on a regular basis, you can go in the store and you go straight to it.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Because you know where it is.
SPEAKER_00:And and just to prove to you how much people don't notice things, if you if you're if you're at work or something, you got a picture of a family member on something on your desk or something, change the picture out to something stupid.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And see how many people go, uh, wait a minute, what happened to the picture of your wife and Kia? See how often that actually happens.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's a fun little experiment for you to do.
SPEAKER_00:Change things on other people's desk if you can. Nothing dangerous or anything. Like, you know, well, I know Susan always keeps her scissors over, but she doesn't get them out a lot, so I'm gonna move them over here. Let's see how long it takes her to notice. And you'd be surprised. If it's something you reach for all the time, yes, they're gonna notice faster. But it's kind of like the uh oh, the virus jokes that we used to get back in the 80s, where you would put it on somebody's computer and it would move the screen over by one pixel every day.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Until it moved it all the way.
SPEAKER_03:And you wouldn't you wouldn't really notice until the screen just got so far out of whack and you'd be like, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_00:Wait a minute. What what's going on? What what? Because people aren't that observant. Most people don't notice. To be honest with you, I for some reason I think moms seem their their their their ability to notice like goes up charts because they're the only people that know anywhere where anything is in a house.
SPEAKER_03:Pretty much. Pretty much. Even if they're not the one to clean the house, they tend to know where stuff is.
SPEAKER_00:So or is that because they're just always picking the stuff up and putting it back up?
SPEAKER_03:Well, that could be it too.
SPEAKER_00:You know.
SPEAKER_03:So anything else about hiding in plain sight that I mean you can you can use it anytime. I mean I remember uh when my parents would come over to the house and you know, there wasn't a whole lot we had to change because we didn't draw attention to anything, so we could just kind of keep things as it was.
SPEAKER_00:Right. I mean, the stuff that was really important, if anybody did say anything about it that was outside of craft, we would just sort of play it down. Well, yeah, that's yeah, that's just some swords, yeah. That's fine.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:You know, and it ain't that big of a deal. Oh, can I would rather you not hold them? They're they're a little bit temperamental.
SPEAKER_03:They're they're they're really sharp, and I'd rather not take that chance.
SPEAKER_00:I'd rather not take that chance. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, again, it's it's that whole entire thing of you know, you can get away with almost anything as long as you're acting like you're supposed to be there doing it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I hate to be that way, but you know, it's true. It's true. You know, as long as you look like you know what you're doing, most people will leave you alone. Like, yeah, yeah. He he looks like he he he's knows what he's doing, what he's I just he's supposed to be doing this. Don't know why. This is the phenomena that allows hiding in plain sight to actually happen.
SPEAKER_03:It really is.
SPEAKER_00:To some extent. All right, it's it's enormously biased.
SPEAKER_03:Which again is something most people don't really think about.
SPEAKER_00:No, they don't, you know. But it it it if you become a more observant person, I want to say go for it. If you can find ways to do that, go for it. You will be surprised what it does for your life.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, play around with it, have some fun with it too, you know.
SPEAKER_00:So all right, let's go get some more coffee.
SPEAKER_03:All right. All right, so I had a question. I've seen this kind of pop up in the witchy circles for uh a little bit, and I guess it's something that I never really thought about before. Okay. So if you're if you're new to witchcraft, or maybe you're not, maybe you're seasoned, but you're trying to be more specific about your path, and you say, and let's take Yule for instance. Yule is a Norse holiday, and you don't follow the Norse path, should you be celebrating Yule?
SPEAKER_00:And I'm gonna say yes. I want to say yes.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, but it's not your it's not your path.
SPEAKER_00:No, but the winter solstice is everybody's. Okay, the solstices the so well again, and that's what yul is. It is the winter solstice. Okay, we might not be using as far as I know in Celtic society and stuff, they never did celebrate that until they they never celebrated the lessers until they met the uh Romans, okay. Which brought it in, right? Now that's what I heard. I'm not sure if it's true, but let's go with that for right now, okay? But that's what Yule is, even though it's Viking, even though the word is Viking, we're using it as the winter solstice because I don't think we actually know, because the Celts wouldn't have had a name for it. It was a Roman invention as far as they were concerned.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:So again, there's a lot of different traditions that celebrate and recognize the winter solstice.
SPEAKER_03:We just all do it a little bit differently.
SPEAKER_00:We all do it a little bit differently, all right? But for the lack of a word for anywhere else, yes, we we we took the one from North mythology and used it to say, okay, this is what this was. Are you with what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:So it's to me, it's just the word was what was b uh borrowed, not the actual celebration.
SPEAKER_03:Not yeah, not the actual celebration.
SPEAKER_00:Are you with what I'm trying to say? Is because again, they might have called it different thing. I don't think we all use, even though we interpret it the same way, I don't think we all call our fathers dad.
SPEAKER_04:No.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I'm trying to say, even though that word because it's said in a different language or something like that, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Well, and I mean, even even regionally, you know, in in the US, so I've heard some people call their their dads dad, some call them daddy, some call them father, some call them pops.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And and papa and it's all the same thing. So again, why would we look at our Sabbaths any differently? All right. I mean, Yule is just what we use.
SPEAKER_03:I mean Right, even though we're not we're not specifically doing a Norse ritual or celebration.
SPEAKER_00:All right, because it because at the end of the day, uh I'm sorry, a lot of paganism that we that we practice nowadays, yeah, it's a cultural appropriation.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, I know, it's it's uh it's a melting pot.
SPEAKER_00:Right, of a lot of different ideas and different things. So this is back to that whole entire conversation we we didn't have, we had not too long ago where the the comment was made. Do I think Christians are practicing the way they did at the beginning? If if the if the 12 disciples were brought back right now and they saw Christianity the way it was practiced, they'd probably be looking at everybody going, Oi V, what the hell are y'all doing? You know, this is so far off the beaten path. Why would we sit here and think paganism's any different?
SPEAKER_03:Well, no, I'm I mean I wasn't I don't think that was where the original question was was going.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I I don't think it was either, but again, my point was is not like the Celts didn't celebrate the winter solstice after they learnt about it.
SPEAKER_03:Right. I think it I think it was I think it was more of just an overthinking of it.
SPEAKER_00:Because you're you again, because you're you're using Right.
SPEAKER_03:It's I mean it is a Norse celebration.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And if you don't follow the Norse path, you know, you you could be overthinking that and just saying, well, I I can't do this. It's not mine.
SPEAKER_00:I that's all I really think you're actually doing is this again, it's just it's just the name. Keep on moving along.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, but it drives me up the wild because again, you're you're getting too particular, you're getting too much into the oh, then you got oh, we can't use that word, then we can't use this word, then we can't use that word, and then you know, we go from sh shell shock to PDSD and Well, and and actually there was uh there was a discussion on on the uh Discord uh not too long ago about you know if you don't if you're if your lineage doesn't go a certain way, do you have the right to practice something from said lineage?
SPEAKER_00:Well, considering well, I mean, because I hate to be this way, but then let's think about it this way humans share 999999% DNA. We're all technically related to one another, right? Whose culture is really whose? I mean, it's the same argument I give, like with with the whole debate with uh Christianity and and that comes up every year. Oh, Christmas is pagan. No, Christmas is Chr you know, is this uh Sabbath really pagan or is Easter really Christian? And again, we've done this dance with the Christians for so long. Who knows who's who put their chocolate and who's peanut butter to start with?
SPEAKER_03:And who really cares? I mean, at this point it doesn't affect anybody one way or the other. So Right.
SPEAKER_00:I again it I I hate this time of the year because again, you you're having these type of conversations, whereas, you know, it is Salwin really Christian or is really can we can we just stop this? Yeah, you know. I I I think it's overanalyzing. It's people wanting to look to look for things to be mad about instead of just going, okay, I celebrated, I believe in it.
SPEAKER_03:Well, we're we're back to I think all of religions uh th they're all to some extent a melting pot of varying ideas borrowed from other cultures. I mean we take their stories, you know, and we make 'em our own.
SPEAKER_00:To a certain extent, isn't that where all these different branches of Christianity came from? Because different cultures and tempered it interpreted this stuff differently.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's my point exactly. I mean, we're it's what religion does. Right. It adapts to the needs of the people.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I I keep on remembering this one story that Lord Men kept on telling, which sort of illustrates, I think, what we're talking about here is they sent missionaries up to the North Pole to talk to the Eskimos. I love this story. And what and when they were talking to the Eskimos, they kept on telling them about hell and how it's hot and you don't want to go there and there's a lake of burning fire. They were a place that's warm all the time. They kept on asking for it. So how do we go to hell?
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Because again, to someone that lives up in the north, yeah, being somewhere where it's hot all the time sounds like heaven. And that's where they were wanting to be. So they had to do some quick dancing. And I mean, did we really change the story? I mean You know, because I even then I hate to be this way. We've discussed this before. Hell really isn't a lake of fire, it's just the absence of God. You're just supposed to be away from God. You're not supposed to be able to feel his influence and stuff.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:The lake of fire is something different. It really does depend on how the culture interprets it or not. Are you with me? Yeah. I think people want to overanalyze this and and sort of forget that the main purpose of religion is for you or supposed to be something to encourage you to want to be a better person. Right. To follow, I you know, I I follow this path because the morals and the ethics are things that I can follow. I think they really do improve the world. I think it improves the way we interact with each other and makes a better world if we do follow those ethics and morals.
SPEAKER_03:Right. I'm right there with you.
SPEAKER_00:So everything we do is just to nothing more than to reinforce those values that we have. We've talked about them before, you know, the the whole keeping your word, uh, accepting responsibilities for your actions and trying to live in balance, you know, working with the tenants and stuff like this. These improve you to be better people. Here's the reason I don't have a problem with Christianity. I really don't even have a problem with the Ten Commandments. Right. When you read them, when you read them very generally speaking, yes, they're there to help you be a better person. It's don't be jealous of your neighbor, be be happy with what you got. You know, yes, honor your mother and father. What's so bad about this concept?
SPEAKER_03:Uh there's nothing, you know, nothing bad about that.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I understand where people have the argument, and especially in paganism, you know, oh, but uh keep the Sabbath and you know you can't have any other gods. Couldn't you say that about your gods? Should you really be putting other gods before the gods you worship?
SPEAKER_03:And don't we don't we keep our Sabbaths holy?
SPEAKER_00:And don't we keep our Sabbaths holy?
SPEAKER_03:I mean we meet for all the Sabbaths, and you know, it's sacred to us.
SPEAKER_00:And we meet for all the full moons.
SPEAKER_03:Hello, that's keeping it holy.
SPEAKER_00:I'm sorry, by absorbing them, by going to them trying to get pagans in general to show up for ritual. When I was coming up, when I was coming up in this, doing the ritual was the point.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:All right, coming to temple, being a witch was doing these rituals, were to do these things. And I keep on seeing us getting farther and farther away from that. We don't really have a tenet or anything about keeping our Sabbaths holy. We just say, hey, you need to do them to keep in tune with nature. What good is that?
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, I mean, we believe it helps us stay in tune with nature.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Well, I mean, I I think it helps us be better people. It it reminds us of our timing and our emotions and our ethics and our values to carry them on outside of circle, outside of just our friendship group, to sit there and look at your bias going, well, yeah, I'm supposed to keep my word, and I told you I'd do this, so I'm doing it. Come hell or high water.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. You know, or or looking at somebody and say, you know what, I'll help you, but I gotta do this first because I told so-and-so that I would do this. But I gotta take that.
SPEAKER_00:Is that not the more important thing than to sit there and just nitpick over just a word? And the fact is that that word came from a different tradition.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, I think that it's good to know where it comes from.
SPEAKER_00:Not saying what it should.
SPEAKER_03:And if you know, and if you're a history buff, hey, great. Learn the history behind it, the etymology, all of that. Take it all in. It's information. We we love information, right? Yes. Some of us are information whores, but you know. Yeah. But you know, do that, but don't think too much on it. I uh and I think that's well, I think that's the key takeaway here.
SPEAKER_00:I I don't want to say don't think too much about it, but I'm sorry, stirring up controversy, just stir up controversy.
SPEAKER_03:Well, no, I mean, like this question, I think it came from a legitimate place, but I think it's just uh it's people overthinking.
SPEAKER_00:Well, because I also see a lot of people out there that do that, but yeah, they do it more for the controversy or the shock value.
SPEAKER_03:Well, there certainly are those people for sure.
SPEAKER_00:Unfortunately, that those those who, you know, what is that, the nail that sticks out gets the hammer?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It's more along the lines of what we think, but it gets really confusing because again, I don't want to sit there and tell people not to question, not to ask questions. But I I really I've really never heard any Celtic word that means winter.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:All right. I mean, unless they were using the Roman word for that time of the year for the winter solstice.
SPEAKER_03:Which I mean they very well could have, but they could have.
SPEAKER_00:I don't want to sit there and say don't know about it. Like you said, you should know your history, you should know where these words came from. But, you know, not gonna set my hair on fire just because I see an activity scene.
SPEAKER_03:Well, no, and I'm just you know, when when I said don't think too much about it, I just I just meant don't don't nitpick about it. It's okay. We we all culturally appropriate things in even in our daily lives that are non-pagan, so just because there is don't worry too much about it.
SPEAKER_00:Lord, which one is it? Astara or is it a star? Well, one of the Sabbaths, the name was picked because it was pretty and it actually has nothing else to do with that Sabbath whatsoever.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um when you research, uh I I just saw, well, it's funny because I just saw a video not too long ago about Astara and Eostra. Yeah, but um yeah, or Esther, as some people call her. But yeah, I mean, if you do the research there, apparently there's not much on this goddess, and people are questioning if she even existed.
SPEAKER_00:Right. But does that does it take anything away from us celebrating this time of year?
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely and the way we do it, absolutely not, right?
SPEAKER_00:Again, the whole entire thing, a thousand years from now or a hundred years, you come back and they're using a different word altogether.
SPEAKER_03:But it's still the same celebration, it's still the same celebration. Is it really gonna matter? No.
SPEAKER_00:But is that uh a rose by any other name still smells just as sweet?
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_00:It's literally what we're talking about.
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely, yeah. It doesn't matter what you call it.
SPEAKER_00:It doesn't matter what you call it, you know, because at some point in the past we did not know that water was um hydrogen and ox two hydrogens to oxygen. Right? Does that change the fact that when before we didn't know that? Does that change the fact that it wasn't made out of two hydrogens and an oxygen?
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_00:Are you with what I'm saying there?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, it doesn't change a thing.
SPEAKER_00:It doesn't change a thing. Am I probably gonna sit there and fight somebody about changing the names of a Sabbath? Probably because these are the ones I'm used to.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:You know, so I just I I'm not sure what else to say about that.
SPEAKER_03:No, I'm not I'm not either. It was actually a longer conversation than I thought it was gonna be, but uh I think it covered a lot of good points.
SPEAKER_00:All right, well, let's go get some coffee.
SPEAKER_03:Let's do it. Thanks for listening. Join us next week for another episode. Pegan Coffee Talk is brought to you by Life Temple and Seminary. Please visit us at life templeseminary.org for more information, as well as links to our social media Facebook, Discord, Twitter, YouTube, and Reddit.
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