RE-CASTING James Cameron's Titanic in 2026!

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello, and welcome back finally after a little break to Unsinkable the Titanic Podcast. I'm, of course, Dr. L.A. Beatles. Um, some harumping you may hear in the background right now is uh quite appropriately Rose DeWitt Pockator Beatles, uh, our family's Chihuahua, named, of course, after the great heroine of James Cameron's 1997 masterpiece, Titanic, one of the great backbones of this podcast and of my life. Today, Pablo Ohana and I bring to you a great joy. We have we came up with the beautiful exercise of recasting Titanic for 2026 just for fun. Now, we're not suggesting Titanic be remade, not at all. We think it's a perfect movie, but it is really fun to go through these roles, talk about them, and talk about who else we think could do them now. And it also allows for some really fun conversations about film and acting and just kind of things we've watched. So I hope it brings you uh some joy and fun, whether you're like cleaning or working out or on the way to work, whatever you're doing. Um, please let us know what you think and please send along your recasting notions and I can include some more fun ones in future episodes. Uh, stick around because I did get a chance to uh throw a few from Instagram on for Thomas Andrews and Cal Hockley, because we talked about on Instagram um over at Unsinkable Pod a little bit in the past few days. So uh if you suggested uh something on there, you may get a shout out at the end of this episode. Uh in the meantime, thanks for being here as always. I've got a couple of other really exciting things coming down the pipeline. Um so make sure you're following over at Instagram, Unsyncable Pod. Um, we are at this point staying in audio format for the podcast. It's it's definitely a decision. Um, I, you know, I've toyed, posted a little bit on YouTube here and there. Um just have a felt comfortable making the leap uh to video podcasting. I'm old school. It's old school podcast, guys. And for right now, we're staying audio only. And I've heard from a lot of y'all that you like that. And that's kind of what old school, the heart of podcasting is. And so for right now, that's what we're we're doing. Um, I am going to throw uh the occasional episode up on YouTube. I probably would have thrown this one up on YouTube uh just for me and Pablo's reactions, but unfortunately we had uh some Zoom issues uh when we recorded, and that's why I didn't do this one. But um, when they are particularly fun or an interview where, you know, seeing the person um provides a lot of context. Occasionally I will do that. So you can find me on YouTube at Unsyncable Pod. Um, what else? What else? I mean, I'm just gonna get you to this. Uh, if I think of anything else, I'll throw it at the end. Thanks for supporting the podcast. Um, if you want to throw the podcast a couple of bucks to keep going and encourage my work, uh, you can always find me on Patreon at Unsinkable Pod as well. I think it's just actually it's Unsyncable Podcast. I don't know. Just search that on Patreon and you'll find me. Um, and we've got some bonus content coming there soon too. Um, have a great day. You're the best. Enjoy the recasting of 1997's Titanic. We've got some wild. There are some wild uh notions in here. Let me know what you think. This is just me zenning into the moment. Okay. Welcome to a very fun, uh crazy, strange episode of Unsinkable, in which Pablo and I are going to disassociate from any trials and tribulations in the real world of today to immerse ourselves in an exercise that I honestly can't believe we've never thought to do before. I think in my mind, I have done this kind of like in, you know, in the past, but I never thought to actually sit down and properly do it. So, Pablo, tell them what I'm talking about. What are what are we doing today?

SPEAKER_03 4:43

Well, the truth is that we're avoiding all of our um real life.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

But the short the short answer is the short answer is that we are we are uh had um a very long midweek breakdown.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

No, well, yes, but um well yes, but that's neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_03 5:05

But the result of that, and the great news for you guys is the result of that is that we have decided we are going to recast James Cameron's 1997 Titanic. So the 97 film still happened as it as it did. What we are doing is recasting it today in 2026. So it is not necessarily, you know, we're not taking this seriously. This is not a remake, we're not pitching this, this is just fun. Who do we think would play Jack and Rose and so on? So that's that's how we've survived this week.

unknown 5:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

And we should, you know, yeah, caveat is we are we're by no means suggesting that the uh most perfect film ever made from only 1997, which is not that long ago, should be actually remade. We're not, I know I've gone on record saying that nobody should ever try to remake it, and I still believe that. Um, although, second caveat, if someone saw my list and said, you know, this is perfect, we're gonna do this, and you get to be producer, I will say yes. So because that will set up me and my children and any future great, great, great grandchildren for life. So, you know, just if any if any casting directors call and want my help, I might buckle and say yes. But uh joking aside, um, yeah, this is just for fun. We're not suggesting that James Cameron's masterpiece should be messed with in any way, in any real way.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

Yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

All right. So should we talk through any? We didn't really have many parameters. People are probably gonna wonder like what our parameters were. Um, I think for me, a big parameter was keeping with the spirit of the character from 1997, um, putting a fun new twist on it. But to me, like the ages needed to stay the same. You know, I didn't, I when I cast, I kept pretty close to what the ages were in '97.

SPEAKER_03 7:03

Yeah, we went back and forth, didn't we? But I think ultimately that's where we both landed. We have got at the end, there is gonna be a bit of a um, you know, if you think this is a breakdown, what you're gonna see at the end is where certainly I am looking at it and just thinking, I had a really long week, very clearly a very long week. So at the end, there will be like the brakes are off if you want to hear.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Oh, there's definitely a couple I have that are like a literally a mental breakdown.

SPEAKER_03 7:33

Stick around for that. That's um a little teaser of some of the um insanity due to come. But other than that, yeah, it's kind of, you know, it's a little bit fun, but it, you know, as you say, like kind of similar ages for me. I was kind of looking at their previous work and whether they fit the profile. And um, you know, one of the things I was thinking about was of course that Kate and Leo are so massive now that it's hard to remember that actually back then they were not. Um I remember, I think I said that to you, like I remember watching a documentary where they were singing, um, Kathy Bates was the biggest star. That was like a real get for them. Whereas she was the biggest star in that film at the time.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Yeah. Yeah. I will say that's one thing that I tried to try to keep in the spirit of mostly. Um, but you know, full disclosure on a couple of the the smaller roles. They're obviously infinitely important, but you know, Thomas Andrews, William Murdoch.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

I'm so excited for that one. I've got great ones.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

I mean, full disclosure, um, I did not on those roles stick with like relative unknowns. I mean, obviously, those people were like literally unknowns. I did not stick with that because I just wanted to have some fun with it. And I was thinking in a true remake, it would be if it were to really happen, it would be such a cultural moment that they probably would be able to pull in some pretty big people to do it. So I kind of went with that sort of mindset on a couple of those, but I just couldn't resist. Um, but no other parameters. We didn't really talk a whole lot about rules. There aren't really a lot of rules.

SPEAKER_03 8:59

Um, and so I'm sure this This is hardly, as my dad pointed out last night when I was talking through it. This is hardly a serious exercise. My dad started suggesting like whether I swap the genders, and I was like, no, it needs to stay like within this realistic scenario. My dad was just like, right, because this like you guys recasting Titanic is a really This is really realistic.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

No, I mean, I guess you know, the other caveat is like obviously there's a ton of other interesting ways to do this. You could do gender swap, you could do um, you know, what Bridgerton did and do a period piece where there are people of all races and nationalities from you know, I mean, it's there's a lot of different ways to do this, especially like an inclusive manner. And so we do want to point that out. And we're not trying to be not inclusive, but I think we are just trying to stick with like the fun vibe of what these characters were in recast, um, you know, in some parameters. Um, a fun thing to do would be if anybody listening has their own list, feel free to share it on Instagram or send it along and we can repost it. I think this will get people uh thinking about this. And so I will genuinely be curious to see what other people's lists are after we um post ours. And I think when we post it on Instagram, we do need to do um, we need to design some squares um so that people can look at it in like list form too after they've listened. Um okay. So should we just jump in?

SPEAKER_03 10:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

Okay, so we're gonna do we're gonna do Jack first. Um all right. So can you see my screen?

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Okay. So this is my Jack Dawson. His name is Percy Hines White, and let me tell you why I'm a literal fucking genius. So about a year ago, I guess year and a half ago, on a plane, I watched a film called My Old Ass. And it's a film completely produced by Aubrey Plaza, who people will know from Parks and Wreck. Um, but she's a genius comedian and she's done a lot of uh serious roles as well. Too, she's a great actress. Um, the film is her playing an older version of a teenage self of hers, and through some weird uh magical realism, the older version and the younger version get to hang out together. And in the process of that, you meet her um sort of childhood love in her late teens, which is um Chad, played by Percy Hines White. I have never seen such a performance by someone so young. I think he was probably like 18 or 19 when he filmed this movie, where he just completely conveys this like love sick, but also like I'm an intelligent, functioning, wonderful person that you should get to know. And I have I'm actually like not full of drama, and I'm not going to be your like typical, like teenage love story, but like just pure, innocent, wonderful, like Chad. Like John watched the movie too, my husband. And so for weeks afterwards, we were like, Chad, oh my God, Chad, he's like the perfect manic, pixie dream boy, but also like intelligent, amazing performance. And then a few months later, I'm watching the Netflix show Wednesday with my kids, which is obviously the Jin Ortega-led uh reboot of the Addams Family that's really massively popular. And he is in season one of that show, also doing an incredible job at sort of a multifaceted character. And I won't give anything away because I know a lot of people haven't seen it yet that might watch it. Um, he is brooding, he can also be joyful, he has the face, he's young looking. There are all the, if you look him up, there's all these photos of him since he's gotten mildly famous that paparazzi have gone that he's like gotten that he's like, he looks like Leo in the 90s. He's like wearing a white shirt and some black pants and they got the long hair. This is, I am so proud of myself. This is Jack Dawson. He's got the lanky, he's got the lanky look, the brooding look, the jawline. He's an amazing actor. Anyway, I present to you my Jack Dawson, Percy Hines White. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

Okay, no, I can I can see it. I can see it. And actually, it's really funny because mine is very different to this. Like mine's quite a different type of thing.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

But that's the beauty of this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:24

So I'm quite excited. So mine is incredibly predictable. So if there are any Brits listening to this, you are gonna know exactly what I'm gonna say. Because I think this person fits very kind of um he fits the sort of um, he fits just the look. I think when you see him, you're gonna believe that this is Jack Dawson. So this is Kit Connor, who I'm sorry, if that image in particular does not give you Jack Dawson, I don't know what will.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

It's giving me 90s Leo for sure.

SPEAKER_03 14:02

This is this is what I'm saying. So now the I'm and the thing about Kit Connor is that he is like the thing at the moment in the UK because he's been in the show called Hot Stopper, which is kind of like exploded and it's absolutely huge. They've done three series, there's just been a film out like literally two weeks ago. Um, but I think what's interesting about Kit Connor is that he does have that same kind of vulnerability that you see in Jack, and that he has this ability to be both very confident and quite kind of attractive and sort of um free-spirited whilst also being very vulnerable and very able to switch into a sort of um kind of open and uh as I say, sort of vulnerable, um very young, very kind of um experienced, but a young type of experience. Like the kind of the kind of experiences you can only have when you're kind of 19, 20, 21, and you've not got your kind of full life experience. I think he manages to kind of bring that all together quite well, which is a very kind of Jack Dawson vibe. Um so yes, so there's this, and he um he is of course a very uh he's very in right now in the same place that I think uh Leo was with Romeo and Juliet, right? He has just done a couple of you know, big roles, not like A-list Hollywood roles, um, but big roles that have got him a lot of attention, a lot of eyeballs on him. Um he's obviously kind of got both the boys and girls swooning and you know, which is Yeah, I can see uh how old is he how old is he right now? Because I need to know if it's 22 right now. So he's he really.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Okay, that's a little it's a little young for me to I I I feel like 25 is my cutoff for being allowed to say that someone's attractive now because I'm so old.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

I know. It's well, I mean, this it's getting a little bit of out of hand. Like, I mean, it's you know, it's it's I I'm in the same place as you, but it's it's difficult.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

Um Yeah, he's a duty.

SPEAKER_03 16:03

I think he's like he's very open faced, he's very unguarded. Um he's he can be very kind of um I don't know what the word is, I want to say like de-armored. Do you know what I mean? Like sort of um able to to to get that across on camera.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

So this is that's you know well, I think that's I think both of our, I mean, they're actually quite similar in the sense that I think what we're we're trying to say, and they both have eyes, like both people we pick, they look very different in many ways, but they both have these eyes you can kind of see straight through, and they're able to do a lot of like eye acting, as cheesy as that sounds. Like that when you look in someone's eyes and that endearing, open, like you could absolutely get to know me by having one conversation with me. I feel like both of these have that vibe in their eyes.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

I think as well, there's another thing, which is that when Leo was cast, there was this idea that he had only played very kind of troubled characters in James Cameron.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Yeah, like basketball diaries, yeah, Gilbert Grape. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

So I think James Cameron was like, you know, this is gonna be a challenge for you because this person is very free-spirited, that he doesn't really have any major um sort of impediments.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Well, that's why that's exactly why I picked mine. Because when I saw that performance in My Old Ass, which is the stupidest name for a movie, but not really. The movie's amazing. Anyone who hasn't seen it, I'm shocked it was not nominated for an Oscar a couple of years ago. So good. Um, but that's exactly what that character of Chad was was just like he really didn't have any noticeable flaws. No, yeah, nothing like weird or creepy, or it just he just had to play a guy who was like pretty genuine and endearing and cute and sweet. And like it's but James Cameron, when he told Leo that it's true, it's like the hardest thing to play, I think, is just like a regular person.

SPEAKER_03 17:50

And I think I think both of these people, because I know Kit has this similar thing in that, you know, in in Heartstopper in particular, which is certainly one of his uh probably his most famous role, it's a very, you know, like kids, very young people like struggling with their sexuality and like struggling to understand how to be a good partner and all this sort of stuff. And so he has that same kind of it's quite a um uh a baggaged role, like there's a lot that comes with it. Um, and so it's a similar kind of place. So there we go. There are there are teachers. I think that we've they're pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

I think we nailed it. Yeah, I think both of them would be. I mean, I I actually feel like if someone was remaking Titanic right now and they had all the headshots of their potential jacks on the table, I think both of these people would probably be in it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Like I yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Um, okay. So, and again, let me repeat anybody listening, if you want to start a list going while you're listening and then share your lists after this, like who is your Jack? I really genuinely want to hear from people. Okay. So now I will be going to My Rose, and you're about to have a conniption. Here we go. Yes, I did it. This is Kate Winslit's daughter, Mia Treepleton. I did it. I went with it and I rolled with it, and actually, I think it's genius. She is the right age. She obviously has the same look, but she is a wonderful actress in her own right. She's already held her own in a Wes Anderson film. She's done some really dramatic acting actually with her mother in a uh show. Oh my gosh, is it called Ruth? I think it's called Ruth in the UK, um, that a lot of people think she should have won a supporting actress um acting award for. I think, you know, I've seen some interviews with her, I've seen her on the red carpet. Listen, obviously, this is a Nepo baby. Like, that's let's get this conversation out of the way. Like, even though she goes by, even though she goes by her last name of Threepleton, because she's the son of Kate's first husband, who was a um a director on her film Hideous Kinky in the 90s, and that's how they met. Um, she's obviously going by her father's last name. Kate has in some interviews given this very like head in the clouds answer of like, well, yeah, she's my daughter, but you know, she doesn't have my last name. And I think a lot of people don't know she's my daughter. She's making it on her own bullshit. Like, come on, she looks just like her, and everyone knows that that's Kate Winslow's daughter. Anybody in a casting room knows who she is. So I think Kate, get, you know, you've been famous a long time. Let's get your head back in the game. You know what I mean? As much as I love Kate to uh forever, I love her, but let's call her out on that. Um, so I think there is a little netpo baby conversation here, and I get that, but I think it's I think it would be people would go nuts over it. I think it would be exciting.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Um definitely like from a marketing perspective, it would just be the little kind of because we'll come to something in our breakdown later, we'll come to something that both you and I had also thought of that is a bit in it.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

So well, yes, and you could do that, we'll talk about it. Yeah, yeah. Um, but I just think I think she has the acting chops. I think she's in the exact same position that her mom was in in 1997, where she's been in a couple of really good things. She's gotten people's attention, but she's not like super well known yet or anything like that. Um, she's also in a show. Um, oh my gosh, now I'm gonna forget the name of it. The it was not it's an Apple TV show. Uh, it's a period drama about a group of girls. I'll have to add it in and we can put it in show notes. Um, came out a couple of years ago. Anyway, she's been in some stuff where she has scenes, and you are, you are, even though you can see the Kate in there, but you can see past it too. Like she's a very good actress. So um, yeah, so I just I rolled with it. The idea popped into my head, and I do have we'll talk in honorable mentions at the end. I do have another um actress for Kate that was a very, very, very close second. And I definitely want to give her an honorable mention, but. This is my choice.

SPEAKER_03 22:02

We should also say this is the first time we are seeing each other's choices. So we just have mentioned that at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

This is a complete surprise.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

With the exception of the one that we conceded because we took out the person, but we'll get to that later. Okay, so uh generally I've gone quite britt heavy, with the exception of a uh a couple here, and this is one of them. So my rose is Sadie Cink.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

She was in my, I had her in my top five that I was contemplating. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

Yeah. I mean, Ply because she just so looks the part. So if if you're listening to this, just Google her. It is quite remarkable. She really, to me, gives very rose vibes. I think she's very controlled. She's very, she's quite, she's got a really good way of portraying anger in quite a kind of restrained, measured way, which gives I I was thinking in particular of that scene where Rose is at the dinner table just before she goes to jump off the back of the ship. And, you know, and I was thinking about the way that she has this kind of fury and this frustration inside of her, but she's kind of having to hold it in. Um, I'm sure there are plenty of women who can appreciate uh uh associate with that. But um I but I I think that um I think Sadie Sink has this has this way of of of portraying that very effectively. Um she's young, I think she's sort of she's in her kind of I think she's 24. Um so she's but she looks younger, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

She's she's 24, but she she easily could pass for 19 and she looks young. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:39

Um she's got the same kind of you know fiery red hair. She's very um, I think she's she's the only thing she's at she's quite a bit slimmer, I think. Um to Yeah, she's quite slim.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

But yeah, but again, I mean it's like but I don't get the sense that that's because of anything unhealthy. I think she's just a very like, she's a very like slight person. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

Yeah, well, and it was it's always blew my mind how people used to back, you know, in the 90s, people like, oh, what do they call like weighty Kate and stuff like that, which was nuts.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

Um yeah, try being a 13-year-old girl in 1997 and having that affect you, and then like I mean, that the cult the the culture around all of that in the 90s was so toxic. Oh, it was terrible.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Yeah, but so I mean, so like it's it's just it's a slight shift here, but I think um, you know, she's she's done stage, she's done film, she's done TV. Um, so I think, yeah, she has that kind of um also she for Taylor Swift fans, let's get in a Taylor reference.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

She also has the starring role in the all-too well 10-minute version uh music video that Taylor Swift uh directed, and this was like a really big deal when she released the 10-minute version of that song. And the build-up to that music video was huge, and it's Sadie Sink that plays her in that. She plays a younger version of her in that music video, and it's a really good music video. Anyway, had to get a Taylor.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

I think the other thing as well is that um Kate at the time, if you remember, she was known for being uh a period actor. Corset Kate. Corset, corset, Kate. Whereas this is kind of the opposite, actually. CD Sink has never done period from what I could see. So it would kind of it's kind of an interesting contrast, and you've got someone who'd be doing that for the first time, like a proper sort of you know, 1900s type piece. So um it would also be like a great thing for her to prove herself in. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

No, I mean she looks the part, you know, like she a hundred percent does. And she was in my when I when I started narrowing down and I was just making my first list, she was in my top five. Um yeah, maybe even top, maybe she might have been my third choice when I she but she was close for me. So we were there's an alternate reality where we had the same rose. Um okay, okay, good. All right. Next, we are going to who who did I have next? I have Cal Hockley.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

All right. So um I have to go on my, we all knew it was coming. We all knew it was coming, Pablo. I'm going on my this is my this is my heated rivalry moment.

SPEAKER_03 26:09

Oh my god, guys, she has been nagging me to watch this for so long.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Anyone listening who has watched Heated Rivalry and been affected by it, listen, you know. I got I got a quote tattooed on my body the other day. Listen, the fandom, they know. Anyone that's listening that is part of the is a loon and they'll get that reference, you know.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

So I have anybody wants to introduce me to it.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Exactly. Maybe with a nice bottle of wine. No. Okay, so I have been obsessed with heated rivalry for the past few months, as many people in the world are. Um, for anybody who doesn't know what it is, I'll give you a tiny, tiny little breakdown here. There are a series of romance novels that are written in the hockey world in Canada, where the author Rachel Reed has basically like created a um a safe literary space where she wants to reimagine um a hockey, obviously very toxic masculine space generally. Um, but she has written these series of love stories where hockey players in Canada um have like their coming out processes. Like for some of them, it's a coming out processes, for some of it's just like a romance, um, but they're male-male romance novels. And they were quite successful on their own right as books. Um, but then Jacob Tierney, who is a Canadian actor and director, people will know him from Letter Kenny, a lot of different stuff. He just saw these and had a vision. And I will say it's one of those situations where, I mean, the books are perfectly fine. Um, for people that love romance novels, more power to you, enjoy them. But he took the story from one of the books and these two characters, Ilya, who is Russian and Shane, who is Canadian, and he had a vision for what he wanted to show. It's a love story, it's about inclusion. One of the main characters is autistic. Um, it's about, it's about family drama, grief, love, hate. It is, it encompasses so many beautiful emotions. I'm obsessed. But this is Connor's story who plays Ilya Rosinov, who is the Russian main character in the show. And Connor's story will win an Oscar one day. Mark my fucking words. He is from West Texas and grew up just in a regular family in West Texas, wanting to be an actor. He learned Russian for this part. His Russian accent, I when I the first time that I watched the show, I thought it was a Russian actor. He is not Russian, he's from West Texas. He is he is capable of transforming into. I mean, I've seen him in several things now, and he's just capable of transforming into anything that he wants to. He has a little bit of a villain vibe, I think, that is in there that could come out in this beautiful way for Cal. I think he would be able to convey the charm that someone would fall for. I mean, look at him. He's beautiful, he's sculpted. He could wear the period costuming and convey this sense of like, yeah, I'm a, you know, I'm a still tycoon, I'm gorgeous, I've got all the money in the world. Why would a woman not want to be with me? I can treat a woman however I want. And he would be able to charm the fucking pants off of Rose and her mother. And then there is like this evil core that starts to like come out and the mustache twirling. I think he's capable of both. And I think he would bring a lot of acting chops to the role of Cal. No shade on Billy Zane. Love Billy Zane. But I wanted to, I'm obsessed with the two actors from Heated Rivalry. I wanted to get one of them in here selfishly, but also I think truly, truly, truly, he could pull off something like that in a very interesting and actorly way. Um, and I'm obsessed with him, and he will win an Oscar one day. Okay, In Scene, thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Uh, Connor Story, if you ever hear this, call me. I will be your best friend. I love you. Okay, and I'm done. There we go.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

Okay, that was that was a that was a journey. Yeah, no, I can actually state what he's. I think he's I I again, I think it's like it's a different, it's a different um direction, isn't it? But I I can see it. And he has got that kind of it's interesting actually, because he's got a similar thing to what I've put forward actually, which is this sort of kind of attractive, kind of darkly attractive kind of um vibe that he's got going on.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

So yeah, darkly attractive. There's like a like hot as hell, but there's a darkness there, you can see. And I think like casting someone like him, and maybe yours is the same way, would take Cal in a little bit of a darker direction. Yes. But I think there's a lot of darkness in Cal. I think there is. And if you you know, once you've rewatched the film as many times as say you and I have, you pick up even in Billy Zane's performance. There's a lot more darkness than I think people.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

Yeah, yeah. Oh no, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

Okay, so my cow is, and this is where I go a bit uh get into the Brit as Richard. Oh, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

So Richard Madden, people will probably know him for things uh like the bodyguard. That was a big, big, big um success in the UK, but I know around the world as well. He's been in Game of Thrones, um, Rocket Man, Eternals, lots of other things. But he's very, I think he's very physically credible. Um, he's very good at being charming and then switching. You saw a lot of that in the bodyguard, that he would go from incredibly charismatic and very kind of alluring and then suddenly incredibly defensive, incredibly um uh sort of uh uh compact and and uh able to kind of bring all of these kind of facets together. So I think uh he um he's very good at kind of um controlling uh whilst letting a few cracks in, if that makes sense. So it's it's kind of outwardly perfect, but you know there's something under the undersurface, which is sort of what we were just saying, colors a bit like that. Um so yeah, I think you know, I just I can so imagine him, particularly from the bodyguard. I can so imagine him doing those like chases down the corridors.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

Yeah, the the shot that you put of him on the right, I can just see, I can like take that screen or that shot and in my mind transfer it to him running down the corridor with a gun and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

This is what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

Yeah, yeah, no, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

He feels expensive. Do you know what I mean? Like in the way that Cal is, like he feels like he already fits that kind of world without trying, without having to try, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

No, this is no, I think that's a good attribute. Like that's how that in picking Connor's story for me, that too. Like he he, I think both of them look like people that just belong in that elevated, expensive world can wear like the most expensive suit in the world just very naturally. And I and both and you know, just pick up their cigarette and just you know, they rule the fucking world and nobody like do not don't dare say anything against me, or you will see the evil side of me, you know. Like that like two-faced Jekyll and Hyde, like can be the most charming person in the world, and just one little flip of a switch and it's all changed. They both like have that. It's like I think it's all about the eyes. I think if I was a casting director, I would just always be looking at people's eyes, you know what I mean? I think everything is in is conveyed in the eyes. Um yeah, this is a good pick. Um, how old is he?

SPEAKER_03 33:35

Uh he's a little bit older, so I think he's about 40. I think Billy Zane was I don't think that's much.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

He was like mid 30s.

SPEAKER_03 33:43

Yeah, I was gonna say I think he's mid 30s. So yeah, but but he but Richard Madden can play younger and he's obviously incredibly attractive.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Yeah, he doesn't look that and I went younger. I mean, Connor's story is only like he's like 26, maybe going on 27. So I went a little bit younger, but in doing that, that was also purposeful. I'm like, I don't, I think I almost feel like it makes it more realistic in some ways. Like, who wouldn't fall for that guy? Like, who wouldn't if your mom in 1912 came to you like this man's this wealthy and he wants to marry you? I mean, look at him. Who wouldn't? You know what I mean? I sort of went with the like, yeah, I could see this, you know. So I went kind of younger with it, but I think anyone between the ages of 25 and 40 could work for Cal. It just depends on like the vibe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

Okay, who have you got next?

SPEAKER_01 34:28

All right. Next I have Captain EJ Smith.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

So I have gone with a little bit of not necessarily stunt casting, but just interesting. Um, so Nick Offerman, people will know from mostly from Parks and Rec. So he became like a cultural phenomenon in the era of the show Parks and Rec, where he plays Ron Swanson, who is this burly, serious, um, you know, sort of like has a problem with everything. Uh, no one is as perfect as he is. Uh, he doesn't trust technology, he doesn't trust politics. He he lives in a when he's not working, he lives in a cabin in the woods and chops his own firewood. Like um, he is a very, I Ron Swanson's a very iconic character, especially for people who love the show. And so that's how he became famous. But then ever since he got that amount of fame on that show, he's used it to be in some really interesting roles. Like he he pops up now as a character actor in, you know, something like um, oh gosh, I didn't watch it, but the um is it the last of us? No. What's the one with Pedro Pascal? Um, that's the apocalyptic show. Let me look it up. Um because this his turn in that was um uh let's see, you can edit this out if you need to. The light is the last of us. Okay, I had it right. Um so he'll pop up as a character actor now in like very serious roles. He also still does comedy sometimes. He's an author, he's written like a bunch of best-selling books, and he's really intelligent, really witty. Like, I love watching interviews with him. He's just like he's the real deal. I think he's aged into this role perfectly. He's got the acting chops, his beard is perfect. They could obviously dye the rest of his hair white if they needed to. I think he's got the right like stature and build and sort of like, you know, kind of aged look in the eyes. And I think it would just be really interesting and fun to see someone like him do uh Captain Smith. So again, this one's a little stunty, but not really, because he's his acting is incredible. He's done all sorts of types of roles, and I think he just he just looks it to me. Like I I love, like even he's got like the little like you know, birthmark right above the um the beard line that gives him so much character. So that's my that's my entry for Captain Smith.

SPEAKER_03 37:03

I like I like that for, and I think you're gonna like mine because I have obviously you may or may not that Rich Madden is Scottish. Um my next is also Scottish.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

I love a Scott. I don't think I know him though.

SPEAKER_03 37:21

Do you know? So Peter Peter Mullen's quite a so he's he's quite um he's quite a like a sort of stillness and kind of heavy actor. So his stuff is his stuff has been he's been in a film called My Name is Joe. He was in Warhorse, um uh Tyrannosaur. He's been in a few quite heavy roles. He's very good at that sort of still shock kind of method acting. I can see that in his face. Yeah. Yeah. So he's very um, I think he really, really fits that, that, that uh role. But he's also, I think he's genuinely one maybe left of his era where you know there's no there's no gloss. Like there's there's there's a story and there's weather on his face. Do you know what I mean? Like he's not tried to hide who he is. Um I think he has this sort of almost inherent uh sort of genuineness to him. It feels like he's really been through it, you know? Um weathered.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

Captain Smith is weathered, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

Yeah, yeah. So I think I think there's a lot there. So I and you know, he looks the part, and um I think yeah, I think he'd be a great fit. So that's my Captain Smith.

SPEAKER_01 38:45

The um the the shot you've shared, he looks like he's sort of shocked. Like, what is going on? So it's like the perfect, yeah. Um yeah, I think Captain Smith is obviously like if you look at actual screen time, um, quite a small role in the grand scheme of things in the film, um, but really, really an important pillar of the film. And so who you cast, it's it's an important decision. So, okay, I like it. All right, next I have who did I do next? Ruth, do whip you cater. All right. I have gone with Carrie Coon, who honestly like she popped into my head and I already knew it was the right decision. And then when I started looking at pictures, I was like, she really has a very Francis Fisher type of vibe. Um, so Carrie Kuhn is in her late 40s, so right age. Um, she is a wonderful actress who has been in a ton of stuff, but she as of late has become quite known for two things. One of them is the Gilded Age, um, which is the Julian Fellows, you know, his latest um mini-series that he's been doing the last couple of years, um, which is about obviously like late, you know, eight late 19th century in New York City. Um, and she plays the wife of a of a of a man who's essentially supposed to be a Vanderbilt. So she's basically playing a Vanderbilt. Um, but she's she kills it in that show. She's incredible. She's quite capable of playing like very austere. Anyone who's watched The Gilded Age knows she's the right choice. Like she she basically like plays a version of Ruth in The Gilded Age, just maybe a little bit younger on that show. Um, she was also in the latest season of The White Lotus on um, is it on HBO Max? Um White Lotus, also fantastic series by Mike White. Um, but she was on the latest series of that. And um, she just is she's incredible. And I think she just gives off this very like, you know, hair over the shoulder. Like I'm kind of unbothered by a lot of things, but there's also a like deep well of grief, grief and trauma probably simmering, you know, down there that needs to come out. Um, very Ruth vibes. Um, I can just see her in the period costumes, I can see her in the Ruth outfits. Um, so there we go. That's my Ruth, Carrie Coon.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

Yeah, I like that one. I like that one. And this is this is definitely where you and I have diverged, I think.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

Okay. But this is the beauty of not sharing anything.

SPEAKER_03 41:14

And I'm and I'm looking at it being like, oh, we are about to have a handbrake turn right now. So um mine is actually from just down the road. So my Ruth is a uh British actress called Maxine Peak. So Maxine Peak is from a place uh called Bolton in Greater Manchester, which is just like half an hour from uh from me in Manchester. Now she Maxine Peake is genuinely right now one of the most respected actors of her generation, of our generation. She's never chased franchises, she's never kind of been, she's never cast like sort of in roles where she is the center of gravity, like she doesn't sort of go after that. Um, but she brings this just just remarkably um real and uh authentic sort of um streak to every performance that she does, and it is incredibly raw. And so I'm thinking about the scenes where you know I love the shot because I talk about it all the time. The shot where Ruth is sitting in the lifeboat looking at Titanic and she has this like kind of glassy eyed thing. I just think um Frances Fisher's performance, her face in that scene just does as much as seeing the horror of that thinking. Like you can just see the pain and the horror and the all of the thoughts of this mother about her daughter being still on the ship or not knowing where her daughter is. You can see it all over Frances Fisher's face. And someone like Maxine Peak could do this. She is the kind of person, I mean, Maxine Peak isn't is like a proper, like kind of hard northerner, like, you know, really has that kind of um, you know, sort of uh life experience type um uh feel to her. And I think, you know, she's not she's not the kind of person who backs backs down easily, and I think she would bring that to this role. So um, yeah, I I mean she is just a fantastic, fantastic actor. And um, you know, I think she would be quite a bit hard, a bit grittier than perhaps Frances Fisher would be. So it is a slightly different vibe.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

Um yeah, but she looks, I don't know. I mean, Frances Fisher definitely has a little bit of a hardened vibe to her. Not in a bad, I mean, not in an unattractive way, just um, you know, I I definitely think there's a thread that Fran that is a very Francis Fisher about her. I actually pulled up, I pulled up to some, I maybe I should have used one of these in my slideshow. I pulled up some images of Carrie Coon too in her Gilded Age. Because she I don't think they're that dissimilar, really. Like they both have like that harder jaw and they can look a little bit like hardened and a little bit almost kind of angry.

SPEAKER_03 43:57

Well, I was gonna say, I think it's like it's it's that they Seem like they can both hold this kind of stillness and make it a judgment. That's sort of what I was saying is that like that that that facial acting from Francis Fisher, that ability, you know, like the corset scene, her ability to really kind of get things across in in actually a very short amount of time, um, and and not be moved off it, I think is quite uh um an important part of this role. But she's actually it's it's fairly small, but there are moments that really, really, really matter and add quite a lot to the film. And I think certainly the two people that we've picked, I think, could probably pull off that those like quite pivotal but small moments.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

Yeah, you need you need a Ruth that can do a lot of eye acting in micro moments where she's got to convey austerity or anger or sadness, or yeah, you really need you. I mean, the Ruth character needs a really strong actress. You can't just throw anybody in that role. Yeah. Um, so I think, yeah, I actually think both are very, very good choices. I actually haven't heard of her, so I'm gonna look her up. Um okay, who do I have next? Let me go back to my okay. I gotta go back to my who am I next? Okay, so next we have Bruce Ismay. And I have gone with Tobias Menzies. And let me tell you that I also this is a way for me to get Outlander in there. So uh this is genius. Um uh no, in all seriousness, Tobias Menzies is one of the greatest actors, I think, of his generation. Uh, a lot of people will know him from Outlander in the first three seasons. He plays the the villain. He plays Frank, who is he's double cast as Claire's husband from the 1940s, and then also as his evil, evil, evil ancestor who causes all the problems in the 1700s. Um, his main so the he's mostly in those scenes. Um, and he plays a really evil British officer who is out for blood and um also guilty of things like sexual abuse. I mean, we're talking this is a really scary role to dig into. Um, he comes off as just pure fucking evil. Um, but you know, obviously Tobias Menzies has done a lot of different types of roles as well. But I just think not that I think Bruce Ismay is evil, um, but I just think it's a good match because of, I mean, acting calibered. I mean, Tobias Menzies should have won an Emmy for his first season of Outlander, and he probably should have won an Emmy for a lot of different things. Um, he's been on the crown, he's um he just portrayed Abraham Lincoln in a mini-series. He's incredible. Um, but he's got the, he's capable of this deepness um in his face. He's also capable of lightness. Like he can really, again, it's the eyes, it's the facial acting, he can shift back and forth. Um, I could see him throwing a mustache on and just perfectly walking into the Bruce Ismay role and being able to convey what I think is a pretty complicated kind of psyche of Bruce Ismay, which of course there's been this completely new discourse over the last few years of reevaluating Bruce Isme. I've talked a lot about it on my podcast. Um, a much more multifaceted person than people have given him credit for. So I think Tobias has the he's got the acting chops to do that. He's got the look for it, throw a mustache on. And I think like if I were if someone were actually recasting, I think a role like this would be such a gift for someone like Tobias Menzies, who has quietly been doing really great work in the background for years, but never had that like star-making moment. And I think it would be fun for someone like him to get like the buzz that came with being in a movie like this after years of quietly giving like incredible performances.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

That you the look there is is really good. Actually, you've matched that really well. Mine doesn't match quite as well, but he that really looks like you. Yeah, you chuck on a mustache, and that is basically it's my yeah, that's a really good one. Um so mine is mine again is a little bit um odd and back to the Brits. But I've chosen him because Tobias Menzies is British.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

I have included quite a few British people.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

No, I know, I know, I know. I'm just thinking because actually in Cameron's film, it's there's a lot of slightly strange kind of American British crossover type people, but um uh and some accents that maybe not always anyway. Let's not go down the road. Um, so yeah, so I've chosen this uh Jay Bruce Ismay because um he's quite good at adapting to pretty much any role I've seen, actually. And so I think you might, you know, you're talking there about this role that is quite complicated and is quite complex. And you know, it's not as simple as you say, like he's not just this evil person. And there are moments um in James Cameron's film where you see Isme doing things like helping load the lifeboats, and you see there are little these glimmers where you know he is not actually portrayed as this two-dimensional evil um person. So I've gone with Matt Smith.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

Oh, yeah. You know, I have to say, so John, my husband, I say, I mean, obviously, Pablo N is my husband. I just for anyone listening, and if I just throw John, it's like there's so many Johns in the world. Who are you talking about? But John, my husband, um, he though he was like kind of looking over my shoulder and offering me some like ideas, and he was so desperately trying to get a doctor in there. Like he can't he was like, he suggested Matt Smith or stuff, he suggested David Tennant for stuff. I'm like, you're trying to get a doctor in, and that's not happening right now.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

I see, see, I think so. Yeah, Matt Smith, he played the 11th Doctor and Doctor Who, but he's also done uh The Crown, um, he's done House of Dragon, he's done a lot on stage as well. He's a very so he's a really interesting actor because he's on the face of it, I think people dismiss him a little bit. Um, because I think there is a sort of, he came in and played the Doctor at a time when the show was going through quite a lot of changes. And I think partly because of that, he's been not dismissed, that's not fair. He's taken very seriously as an actor in the UK, particularly on stage. But I think maybe that had a little bit of a dent in um in his reputation. But actually, I think that he is very good at switching from um quite light-hearted and quite um sort of straight, straight through acting, down to, you know, quite strained and quite um emotionally complicated actors. And you see that in things like Doctor Who, actually, which, you know, people don't give that show enough credit. I mean, I'm I don't watch anymore, but it actually is very good at tackling quite a lot of both light-hearted and really fun moments, of course, you're traveling through time, but then actually they have very deep and quite emotional and quite um intense storylines sometimes, which are you know center around kind of class divides and um uh gender and um you know things like that. And so I think he has navigated a lot of that, and I think that he, you know, he doesn't play for sympathy, he doesn't play for laughs, he just has a way of bringing that character into a quite um rounded uh place. And so I I like it because he's not immediately charismatic, he's not um, you know, you don't read that as uh like a star weight, but actually I think he can carry Isme and and give the sort of uh Isme the kind of full kind of circle moment that um you know that he deserves. So I think I'm quite happy. And I again I think just slap on a mustache, and I think you've got you just slap on a mustache.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

He looks he he has like a darkness, but also a vulnerability Matt, yeah, he has a vulnerability in his face that I think really works to his advantage in a lot of the roles. I've seen him in quite a few things over the years, and there's a vulnerability there that I think you need, and especially if you're going with a slightly more modern interpretation of Isme, which, like, let's be honest, anyone recasting in 2026 is gonna have, as we have had, like much more complex conversations about some of these characters than James Cameron did in 1997, you know. Um, okay, I think those are both good. Um, who is next? Next we have Molly Brown, and I have gone with Melissa McCarthy.

SPEAKER_03 52:46

I was going, I she was my just I just didn't choose her, but I so nearly did.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

I knew you I knew you were gonna have her on your list. I was kind of curious to see if we both would do it. Uh obviously I know Bridesmaids is one of your favorite films of all time, as it is one of mine. Um, she also has a special place in my heart because she got her start on Gilmore Girls, which is where my daughter's name is from, Lorelai, obviously. Um, so I've been following her, you know, since before she was huge and and famous. Um, so I think the the vibe, she is like, she's like the same as casting Kathy Bates in 1997, right? Like this big star that's been nominated for Oscars. She's proven she can do drama and comedy. Um, so she's gonna lend some credibility to the role. Um, I think she's got that loud, bombastic thing you want in a Molly Brown. Um, she can do a little smirk and give you everything she need you need with that character. Um, and she just, I don't know. I just when I started thinking about Molly, nobody else.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

I know. I did exactly the same thing. I did exactly the same. There is, she really does, you're totally right. She totally brings just the the sort of the fullness. It's so hard. Like, I just think that Kathy Bates, I mean, I honestly I think Kathy Bates was just flawless in that role, genuinely.

SPEAKER_00 54:14

Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_03 54:15

But I think Melissa McCarthy also brings that fullness, that kind of light-hearted life experience. I just yeah, I just think she's yeah, you're terrible.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

And put her, can't you just imagine her in like the Molly Brown costumes with the headdress? Yeah, and she wouldn't let the costume wear her, she'd be wearing the costume.

SPEAKER_03 54:31

And um well, all of those all of those scenes with Leo, like you know, you shine up like a near panny, like all of that, she would just land it so badly. Land it.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

She would steal the movie.

SPEAKER_03 54:42

I know, I no notes. I wholeheartedly agree on that.

SPEAKER_01 54:48

All right. I have another I have another one coming that you're gonna you're gonna be so happy about and give me no notes, and I'm gonna make you so happy in life. But anyway, um, okay, so who I I'm kind of shocked you didn't pick her.

SPEAKER_03 55:01

So who's your so I I did pick her for a very long time, and then I remembered a brilliant show I watched actually when I lived in New York with this actress in, and I and exactly the same as Melissa McCarthy. So I went with Margot, yeah. Margaret.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

I know who she is, she's in everything, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

She is British. So she was in um a series that I watched, which was basically about this kind of um I don't really know how you how I'd explain it actually, but basically like a a sort of um a heist of honey kind of thing. So it was called the sticky, and it's it's basically a series about um this this like um maple syrup farmer who um sort of she kind of gets attacked by competitors who are all trying to kind of get in on the industry of making maple syrup. It is a brilliant series, but it is very Molly Brown. It's very like making your own way, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Um, you know, uh she she ends up in this series going on to kind of do this like uh have this huge revenge on this, on this sort of, it's almost like Big Pharma, but uh sort of big maple syrup, you know. And she's kind of targeted by Big Maple syrup. So she goes on to kind of get revenge on this, on this company. But she is brilliant. She switches from just deadpan, like really aggressive, like quite heavy, to just like side-clutchingly hilarious, you know, just so funny. Very similar to Kathy Bates, very similar to Melissa McCarthy, um, really just a wonderful, wonderful actor. Um, and has this.

SPEAKER_01 56:48

Yeah, she's delightful. I've seen her pop up in a lot of different stuff. She's brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 56:52

She has this, I think she has this load-bearing quality that again, Kathy Bates had that she like actually carries quite a lot, and she's there for quite important moments in the film, right? Um, even though you think of her as just kind of a side piece, she's actually really quite important and she's so brilliant at making you warm to her. And I think it's why I love this role so much um in this series I'm talking about, because you love her, even though she's absolutely awful in in some moments, but she's still so warm and so able to bring you with her on, you know, you really root for her to be breaking the law and doing all these terrible things. So just so funny. I mean, genuinely um well, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

Like whoever plays Molly has to be funny. You have to be able to be funny.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

I think you have to like I think it has to be in your bones. I think you have to be a Kathy Bates, a Margot a Melissa. Like you have to be those kind of people who just they just are. They just are funny. Some people are, some people are not, and they are.

SPEAKER_02 57:48

You have to be funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

Yeah, and so yeah, it's so funny. I was I certainly chose Melissa McCarthy, but then I remembered this series and I thought, I think she just edges it. I think she also looks like Kathy Brown, um, um, Kathy Bates and and Molly Brown, I think.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

Yeah, and but I mean, yeah, I think they all have the same vibe, but she probably looks more like Kathy Bates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

I'm very happy with it. This is one of the ones I'm most happy about.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

I it's a good choice, but I I I just I think I nailed it with Melissa. I still think Melissa is I I ride or die for this, but I'm I sort of I suspected that you would have her, if not, if you didn't pick her, I knew you would have her in your top three. Yeah. Um, okay. Next we have Spicer Lovejoy.

SPEAKER_03 58:36

And I went with never addressed what a ridiculous name this is, by the way. Spicer Lovejoy. Like did James Cameron just have an aneurysm that day or something?

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Yeah, probably like a little teeny one. Um, it's also like an amazing, it's amazing. I want to name a dog Spicer Lovejoy.

SPEAKER_03 58:53

Um so obviously the great name, bro.

SPEAKER_01 58:56

Yeah, come here, Spicer. Um so uh played in the movie, obviously, by the very good actor David Warner, who had also been in a Titanic movie, Titanic SOS in the 1970s. Um, I went with, I actually have to give credit to my husband, John, for this one. Um, he pulled this one out and I was like, yeah. So obviously, Tim Roth, a seasoned, seasoned actor, you know, known for his work with Tarantino and countless things. Look up his IMDB. Um, very serious actor that's also capable of like a wink and a nod. Um, I think in my version of things, like most of his scenes, obviously in my recasting, will be with Connor's story. And I think that turns those scenes into a very dark place, which I think would be an interesting um area to take it. You know, I mean, those are already quite dark interactions, but with Billy Zane and David Warner, it's more of like, I can't raise my eyebrow, but more of an eyebrow raise kind of thing. I think if you take Connor's story and Tim Roth, you turn it into actually a pretty serious, these pretty dark, you know, like passing the or showing the gun, passing stuff over between them. I think you have two actors of that caliber and you've got some really interesting drama. Um, so I don't know. He just looks apart to me, he's got the acting chops. I think it would be really interesting to see like a capital A actor in this role. And I don't know, it's just a fun one. I just like the minute John suggested it, I was like, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:23

No, he's he's really good. And I remember him actually from Tin Star, which is a brilliant series he's in. And he had he does have that kind of um quite pained um performative activity here. He's really he's really good, actually. It's a great choice.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:38

Yeah, I John gets full credit for that one. He pulled that one out, and I was like, Yep, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:44

Okay, so my my love joy is um Michael Shannon.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:54

Oh my gosh, I actually considered him. I considered him. He was on my list of like 10 when I started narrowing it down. Yeah, before I yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

So I just think he is brilliant. He everything he's been in, he just has this, he just has the Lovejoy vibe about him. He is just so um, I don't even know how you explain it really. He just has the kind of uh almost absence, you know, in the way that Lovejoy is just sort of taking almost like dead-eyed, yeah. Yeah, like an all there's something about Lovejoy that feels like he has been through so much, like he's had to deal with so much shit from he is done, and he's like ready to fucking retire.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:38

And he has this vibe of like, I've got to do one more fucking Atlantic crossing with this shit Joe of a human being. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:46

Like he is ready to cut the ties, he is ready to go, and I think Shannon can do that. Shannon can do these performances, which you can just feel he's like, you never see it happen, but you can tell he's just on the edge, like he's just about ready to go, ready to blow up. Um, and I think Shannon is just that. He is the kind of the uh sort of the definitive modern kind of company man who's just stopped asking questions and is ready to just like lose his shit anytime soon.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:17

Um and honestly, I mean, not that dissimilar from his character in Revolutionary Road, just maybe ready to just go jump off a bridge. Like, I'm not, I mean, and and I mean, not to be uh sorry to put a trigger warning on anything that these days has anything to do with even joking about, you know, self-harm or suicide, but like I'm just I'm not, I mean, it actually is not funny. I'm serious. Like it really, like Lovejoy. If you think about that character, like he's there's some deep stuff going on there, and he's not in a good mental place, and he is probably lived a very hard life, and he just looks like he's ready. I mean, I I wouldn't have been shocked if he just walked into the ocean. You know what I mean? Like, I just like there is definitely some darker stuff going on with that character and him having ended up in the job that he's ended up in and having to do what he has to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

Yeah, and I think if anyone's seen the film 99 Homes, um, which is brilliant, uh, and it also stars Andrew Garfield, one of my favorite actors. Um, it's a really brilliant film about a sort of for the father sort of struggling to um get his home back essentially. He's kind of had his home repossessed with his family. Um, and Shannon is in that and he has that same kind of feel. Uh, you know, Shannon has to do a pretty unpleasant job, but with sort of this professional calm, whilst you can sort of see the cogs behind it just, you know, ready to, you know, they're just gearing up for something. So I think, and I Shannon just does that brilliantly.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Um, so yeah, that's my I mean he's just I mean, Michael Shannon's one of the greatest actors of of a generation. I mean, he's he's incredible. 100% agree. I sign off. Um, I think this next one might be the one that you're gonna lose your mind on. Nope, nope, okay. That's the next one. All right. So this is um, I love all the tangents I'm getting to go on. So this is for Officer William Murdoch. I have cast Lewis Pullman. Now, yes, he is the son of beloved actor Bill Pullman, who has played the president of the United States, has stolen our hearts with Sandy B and While You Were Sleeping, was the father in Casper. I mean, just the night, the run that Bill Pullman had in the 90s of like the everyman. Um, he was in so many big movies, popcorn movies. The man's probably so wealthy. Um, and by all accounts, just like the nicest human being on earth. Um, oh, the guy who gets left behind at the altar in sleepless in Seattle. I mean, you just go on and on. Um, so this is his son, who has obviously Nepo baby situation too. Um, but he looks just like his dad, just with like a little sexier edge thrown in. And I'm like, this is like a copy and paste with some added spice, and like I'm liking this. So he is an incredible actor. I just watched him in a movie called The Testament of Anne Lee, which is um a biographical film about Anne Lee who founded the Shaker movement, um, which is a sact of Quakers. Amanda Seifried is in that movie. She's really good. I'm shocked she didn't get nominated for an Oscar for that. Um, but he has a pretty big role in that movie. And I'd seen him in a couple of other smaller things, um, but he's an incredible actor and he just has that like weathered look. Um, I could see him in the officer's uniform, and I could see him looking just really worried like about everything. And um, I don't know, I just wanted to put him in some role because I'm kind of mildly obsessed with him right now. I think he's a great actor. And I was like, I grew up on his dad's movie, so it's just like weird. Um, Nepo baby, like some Nepo babies are okay. I'll give him a free pass. Um, uh, but yeah, he's he's fantastic, and I he's kind. Of on the up, so I bet he's about to be in a lot of other good stuff too.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:04

We have a very attractive recasting going on between the two of us. Like this is a this is a sexy Titanic recasting.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:13

This is a sexy Titanic.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:16

Um okay, I think so. You're either gonna love or hate this. Okay. You're either gonna think this is the best thing that ever happened, or you're gonna hate me for ruining both the character and the actor who I know you really like. But for my William Murdoch, I have gone with Rafe Spall.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I gotta tell you something. I have him in an honorable mention for somebody. Okay. I I didn't consider him for this part. I thought maybe he's a little old for this part, but I can see it. And I really, he was my second choice for another one we're about to talk about. So yeah. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:59

I so Rafe Spall is uh, if anyone doesn't know, is um a British actor in a series at the moment. Well, he's done lots of things, but he's in a series at the moment that both LA and I are obsessed with called Trying. If you haven't seen Trying, oh my god, watch it immediately. Subscription to Apple TV and just binge it, yeah. Absolute urgency. Do not wait a single second. Get a subscription to Apple TV, watch every single episode of Trying and just never stop watching. I love this show. I cry, I laugh, I just never wanted to end. And when they announced it was ending, I just went into like a state of We got to watch, we got to watch catatonic stay. That's probably what's contributed to our breakdown this week, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:38

Well, we got to watch the season premiere together in when we were in my family and I were just in the UK, so we actually got to watch the newest season, the first episode together, which was really cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:48

It's brilliant. I but I think so. The reason I chose him is because I think that he he immediately you go, oh, he's a comedic actor. And he is very funny. He's naturally very, very funny. But he also has, as you see in Trang, he also has these incredibly vulnerable moments, but also these quite um sort of weighty, heavy moments where you see him. So anyone that doesn't know Trang is essentially about a couple that is desperate to have children but can't. And so they adopt these um kids, and it's this just the chaos that ensues from adopting children. But it's also there are some really quite profound moments in this series where you see them really struggling to actually get the children and the kind of all the process and the kind of um, you know, bureaucracy that they have to go through to get these kids to adopt them. And actually, in those moments, I think you see a lot of these kind of quite strained moments between the two leading actors. And I just think Race Ball is so brilliant. I think he is uh has that kind of very decent man trying to do the right thing, not always getting it right, um, but really trying to kind of put his best foot forward. And I think that is very Murdoch, right? Like he is that kind of person, and I think that you see that both in the film, and of course, I think we've said this as like we say Titanic is basically flawless, with the exception of that one moment in in James Camp in, you know, where we're like, could have just could have done without that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:08

Well, he should have just made the officer a fictional officer because I mean, not to get too deep into the the historiography here, because this is let's be honest, this episode's not about history. Um but you know, there are there is one faction of the Titanic community that believes that it was Murdoch who killed himself. And there is some fair amount of evidence to support that. Of course, we'll never know. It's alleged, and there's no way you should never sully someone's name by trying to claim something is definitive when you we really could never know. Um, so you know, I I think he should have, if he wanted to portray that storyline, he should have just made it a fictional officer. And I don't think anybody would have cared. Just create a fictional officer and be done with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:50

But I think that again, I think, I mean, that ties into this sort of it's like the competence kind of thing, whether it did or didn't happen. It's the kind of in this film, you've got that sort of competence of sort of falling apart. And I think Spaul is really good at playing people who are making totally defensible decisions uh or decisions under pressure at speed, and they're kind of like falling apart, they're failing, they're a bit clunky. Um, and I just think he does that brilliantly. And I think actually we know him because of this brilliant comedy, but actually I think um he earns the space to kind of deliver a man who is kind of you know doing these sums and making these terrible decisions, uh, you know, making these decisions in terrible circumstances. So yeah, I I I think he's brilliant. I think it'd be different, but I think it'd be brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:35

No, I would be totally fine with this. You know who Rafe Spauld's father is, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:40

No. Timothy Spahl's? Oh, yeah, no, no, sorry, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:44

I just wanted to mention that too, because he uh he too is just like a wonderful actor and he's been in so much good stuff. So, but no, he I mean, so we have a lot of Nepo babies here, but it's fine. Um it's totally fine because that's just how Hollywood works, and I'm gonna say it's a better right now, you know. Um, no, I could totally see this, and I have him as a backup for something here in a minute. So um, okay. I think I want to make you close your eyes for the reveal because I think this is my next big one. Okay. Uh yes, okay. Open your eyes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:24

I fucking love this man. I'm sorry. This guy does not get enough attention for being such a brilliant actor. I absolutely love it. Okay, I knew you were gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:34

I knew you were gonna freak out. Okay, so um Pablo likes Andrew Garpo a lot. I I do as well. I think Andrew Garfield is underappreciated, and often people just don't know what to do with him because he's like a leading man, but he's also a character actor, but he's also, you know. I think he has so much charisma, but he also has a sad, darker side to him that there's a lot to explore with. I think for Thomas Andrews, he is the perfect age. He's got that this photo is a little old. He's a little older than this now. Perfect age, perfect face to convey um all of the like sadness at the end, but also the joy at the beginning. I think if this movie were actually remade in 2026, this is exactly who they would go for. Um, like an actor with a lot of experience, but maybe in recent years hasn't gotten all the appreciation they deserve and has fallen off a little bit. But like, let's reinvigorate the career with like a move like this. Um, he's just fantastic. So I don't know what else to say, but I knew I had to put him in somewhere. And I thought about him for Murdoch, but then I was like, that's not a big enough role for him. Like he would need the media role. And Thomas Andrews is the beating heart of the movie in a lot of ways. And I think Andrew Garfield has what it takes to pull it off.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:00

Nothing to add. I no, no, I I totally agree. I so I tried so hard to find a role for Andrew Garfield, and I also was gonna put him here, I had him here and somewhere else, but then I had someone for Thomas Andrews that I just couldn't say no to, and so I had to sing him out. But I went through a whole process where I was like shoehorning into literally every single role, and I was like, maybe I just bump the ages up of everybody and I make Andrew Garfield the jack.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:26

Like, I just I well, I there's someone, there's someone that I really tried to shoehorn into anything that I could, and I couldn't get it to work. We'll talk about that. Um, but yeah, no, I just I knew you would appreciate this, but in my mind, there was nobody else.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:39

So no, I do agree, and I think um Andrew Garfield in period is he would be brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:45

He looked great in the clothes. Yeah, could you just imagine him in the scene with Rose, like all the all the scenes with Rose talking to her, like the gentleness, but there's also like a darkness and a sadness there. I just think he has it, and I think he's like the right amount of famous, but also like getting a little older and maybe not getting as many leading man, you know, unfortunately, roles anymore. Like he's the perfect point in his career to do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:10

Yeah. I agree, I agree, and I love Andrew Garfield, so any excuse to talk about Andrew Garfield is fine by me. Um my Thomas Andrews, I went a little bit older, but I'm sorry. If you look at this photo and do not tell me that this is Thomas Andrews, then I just I just don't believe you. Okay. My Thomas Andrews is the incredible, iconic British actor Hugh Bonneville.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:38

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:39

And I'm sorry, tell me right now, that is not Thomas Bonneville.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:43

It's a slightly older take, but yes, I 100% that is Thomas Andrews, just a little older. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:50

It is Thomas Andrews. He Hugh Bonneville. I mean, I I probably don't need to explain who Hugh Bonneville is. Everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:56

I mean, anybody, anybody who's even seen Paddington knows the joys of Pew Bonneville. He's just like, he's incredible. He's so wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:04

But I I think the thing about Hugh Bonneville is that actually Paddington is a really good example because you he has this ability to bring like real authority to something that kind of shouldn't be there. Like he is, he can be incredibly funny, incredibly serious, um, a really versatile actor, but I think he brings real authority and authenticity to everything he does. Um, I I just think for something like Thomas Andrews, I'm thinking about the smoking scene stuff. I'm thinking about the staring at the painting. I'm thinking, you know, all of those moments, which again, small but so significant, those moments where he's doing the calculations in his head, Hugh Bonneville would nail those scenes, that kind of, you know, those massive moments where the calculations are like this ship is going to sink.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:51

Or like when he's talking about the lifeboats with Rose, going over the math and everything. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:57

Yeah. He just can brings that. And obviously, of course, he's done Down to Nabi, which is very Titanic vibes. It actually begins, if anyone doesn't know Downtown Abbey, begins with the sinking of Titanic.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:06

Well, you know, my I've told you my theory that the Gilded Age is uh going to end with um, I believe the Gilded Age will end with um with Titanic. I think it will end with John Jacob Astor getting on Titanic because right now in the Gilded Age, we've been introduced to that part of the Astor family. And I think it I I predict he's gonna do the cheeky thing of ending the Gilded Age with Titanic. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:29

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's all intertwined, right? But I think, you know, uh just Hugh Bonneville, I just I I don't I don't need to explain it. If I have to explain why Hugh Bonneville is Thomas Andrews, then you just you're failing.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:40

Well, and it would be it's an older interpretation of of Thomas Andrews, but honestly, it really doesn't matter because if you think about it in the 97 movie, they never mention that he has a young daughter. They don't talk about, you know, like so it really doesn't matter. Like you just don't mention that, and it doesn't matter what age he is, really. You know, like someone in the job he's in could be anyone, anywhere from like their 20s to their 70s, like it just doesn't matter, you know. Um, yeah, no, that's that's I it's a plus. I will give you a plus. All right. Next we have oh, that's it. So I think then we just have honorable mentions.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:17

Is that all of our I think that's it?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:19

Did I miss anybody? I think I got it because we cut out Fabrizio.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:22

We did cut out Fabrizio, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:25

Um, so I'm going to reveal. Well, I'll just say, listen. I know people listening are probably gonna think, like, well, what about old Rose? Uh to be quite honest, we found that boring. Um, I think that any actress worth her salt over the age of 80 in the right age makeup could play Rose. I'm not all love to Gloria Stewart, but that just wasn't a conversation that I needed to have in my mind. You know what I mean? Um, we did think about casting Fabrizio and Tommy. Um, and we can mention some of that in honorable mentions. I think those are roles that could be filled by a lot of people. Um, I think in the role of Tommy, you know, I I had sent Pablo a screenshot of an Irish actor. I just think like there's a lot of good options, and it would have been fun to go down the line even to the smaller characters, but we only have a certain amount of time, and it just is what it is. So a few people we have not done, but what we tried to do was like the core, the core ones where it's like these are the beating heart of the movie, they're you know, they have the most screen time. So that's what we rolled with, um, you know, and we didn't really worry about the more present-day storyline. We decided to not try to recast that. Yeah. Um, although I would just, as one of my honorable mentions, like to point out that for Louis Bodine, if you don't put Jack Black in that role just for fun, like what? You know, what are you doing? Um but before I forget, I would also like to say that my children were participating in this a little bit and they they have required me to say that they really wanted to see Steve Martin in Titanic. And I said, I just don't know where because they love Steve Martin, which who doesn't live love Steve Martin. I grew up on Steve Martin. I don't know where to put him. So we talked about it and we decided to go with Archibald Gracie being quite elderly and it's Steve Martin with a little mustache. So I just want to give that plug that a nice cameo in a recast would basically be Steve Martin in a couple of scenes as a fun cameo as Archibald Gracie with his cigar and a and a little mustache, which I think could be cool. So I had to put that out there before I forget. Um so do you want to just like go down the list of a few honorable mentions? Or should we just like why don't I just do mine and then you just do yours and we'll just kind of batch it? Okay. So I did not have time to add pictures to these yet, um, but I can get pictures to you or you can look them up. Um okay. So I have Rafe Spahl, who we just talked about um as Thomas Andrews as my backup. I thought he would be a really good Andrew, basically for all of the reasons I gave for Andrew Garfield and all of the reasons you gave for Human, but I just think like there's a beautiful combination of like endearing and comedic, but also seriousness. Um, so he was definitely in contention for me. Um, so uh my backup for Rose was an actress named Emma Myers. Um, she is on the the show Wednesday on Netflix, is where she got her start a few years ago. And I didn't want to pair her with the actor who also appears on Wednesday because it would look like I was just making a Wednesday pairing. Uh, but I do think that she would be incredible. Um, she's got like the ethereal sort of like face um that would look really great in period makeup and costuming. She's a really great actress. She's got this like young kind of innocence, but she also is capable of playing like really feisty. Um, so she was a very close um second for me on Rose. Um I wanted to shoehorn Hudson Williams in here somewhere so desperately. Um, he is the other actor from He Did Rivalry. He is an uh Canadian actor who is he's half Korean, he's half white, half Korean. Um I I considered making him Jack and saying, like, what a what a fun and unique way to interpret Jack that, like, maybe one of the reasons everyone looks down their noses at him is he also is an immigrant in the sense that he is biracial. Um and at that time period, that would have marked him unfortunately horribly in that um setting. Um, so I thought that would be an interesting way to also do it. But I gotta be honest, the man is too jacked to be Jack. I mean, you just Google him. He's too muscular, looks great. Um, he's too jacked, that doesn't fit. And um, he's probably like a little too old. Um, I think he's on the upper end of a little too old for Jack because Jack needs to be like young manic pixie dream boy. Um, so I really wanted to shoe her in, but I just couldn't make it work for anything. So shout out to Hudson. Um, an interesting one I thought about is the comedian Bob Mortimer for Lovejoy. Um, I know Bob Mortimer from watching work, we do our VPN and watch all the British comedy shows. So we watch like A Last One Laughing and we watch Taskmaster and all this, and he's always on those. Um, my kids love him. Uh, I just thought it would be it would be an interesting choice to go like a comedian for Lovejoy, who's trying to not necessarily break into dramatic acting, but just kind of doing a bit as a dramatic actor. I thought that might be like an interesting way to go with it. Um I want to save the other one for last. Um, Olivia, Olivia Coleman as Molly Brown. Um, I just fucking love Olivia Coleman. I mean nobody can play scattered and like, what is going on better than Olivia Coleman, but she also, you know, can play demure and ice queen, and she just can do everything. She's also hilarious. And we talked about with Molly, like it has to be someone who's funny. Olivia Coleman's hilarious. She's just again one of the greatest actresses of of her generation. Um, The Favorite is one of my great of my favorite movies of all time. Um, anyone who likes period pieces and has never watched The Favor, do yourself a favor and go watch it tonight. It's incredible. Um, so anyway, she's my backup for Molly. And then my last one we can talk about and then segue into your honorable mentions. I have an honorable mention of Kate Winslett as Ruth Jewett Bucator. Now, I didn't, I didn't go with it. It felt too stunt casty, but I didn't because I also cast her daughter as Rose. But that would be a very particular way to go with this recast. I think there's a world in which it totally works. She's exactly the right age, right look now. Obviously, they are mother and daughter, so it would look exactly right. Um, but I didn't do it. I just I couldn't pull the trigger on it. Um, but we found out that we had both done that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:43

We had both done that. And also when I had a discussion with my dad, he also suggested it. So three people suggested this as we all for some reason were on the same page uh with that one. Um yeah, that's funny. Okay, so I do you want to see my Fabrizio? Because you mentioned him earlier.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:03

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just forgot to die. I was having trouble with Fabrizio and I picked um where is this actor? I'll show you who I picked. Oh no, my thread's gone. Where maybe it's in my no, I'm not gonna be able to find it. Um it was just forget it then. It was an actor who was like came out of Cannes this year or can this year and had like made a splash in a couple of Italian movies, and people think he's gonna try. It just was like a me looking for an Italian actor.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:32

My thing was see, I I didn't do that. I didn't choose an Italian actor because I thought if we're gonna go Hollywood, then we'd go Hollywood.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:40

And I was trying to be like very woke and very aware of like if it was an Italian character in 2026, studios would demand that it's 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:51

You are not gonna like who I've chosen. So I I went with Timothy Sharman.

unknown 1:25:57

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:59

I think there's something of Fabrizio in Timothy. I think you know what?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:04

I honestly will give you that. I listen, I Pablo knows I've been on a journey with Tim. I have met Timothy Chalamet, you know this. Um I I could see it. I could see it. I he's had such a wacky career. Like I his choices are very interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:19

Like I was a big put him at the front of Titanic doing the I can see the Statue of Liberty already, dude. You know, it's just I I there's I could see it, you know. I mean, I'm not necessarily his biggest fan. I I mean I'm I'm actually I don't I don't think I've seen that many things of him in, but I just there's something of there's a bit of uh bit of fab in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:42

Um I actually think that's a kind of a genius move because I I think Timothy Chalamet, everybody wants to, everybody immediately wanted him to be like a leading man, swoon over, but he's weird. He's we you know, like I think if he's going to have a successful career, he would more embrace the like weird, kind of quirky stuff. So um I actually can really see it in a little hat. What if he was in a little hat?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:09

This is what I mean. I know. Listen, look at these, look at this, right? Look at that, and then look at this. I just think I'm sorry, there's something there. There is.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:19

Yeah, it's definitely he needs the little hat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:23

So my next one was so I was trying to also show you horn. And listen, here's here's the truth about why what is about to happen is about to happen. Um, and that is that if I'm casting a film, um, especially Titanic, there is absolutely no way that Billy Piper is not involved. If I have to invent a role for this woman or change an existing one, she has to be in it. I mean, I haven't spoken to her about it yet, but that's a cross the bridge when we get there kind of thing. So I did go with Billy Piper as Rose because actually, well, first of all, Billy Piper is the greatest. Actor. I mean, she can do literally anything. But I think if we just up the age of Rose a wee bit, put Billy Piper in as Rose. I mean, not only did she play Rose in another show, but Billy Piper could pull it off. She can do any acting on the planet. And I just think a film, Titanic, with Billy Piper as Rose. And therefore I had to also raise the age of Jack, which means you get Jeremy Irvine.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:26

Oh my.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:28

I'm sorry. Tell me right now, you are not watching a recast of Titanic with Jeremy Irvine and Billy Piper as the leads. I'm sorry, that film is a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:35

I like I like I like Jeremy. I really do. It's just that he ended up in this horrible prequel to Outlander called Blood of My Blood, which is the most like just they're trying to grab money off this thing by beating a dead horse. It's the worst prequel I've ever seen in my life. It like ruined Outlander for me. So I'm just mad at it. But I do, he's beautiful and he's a great actor. But I just think that the ages are too old.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:04

Listen, you know, listen, we are we are upping the age of this film.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:08

I know, but then how does the story work? Because listen, I don't care. Listen, as a woman, let me tell you something. If I meet a vagabond who is almost 40 years old and doesn't have $10, I don't, I'm not interested. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:25

Listen, I hear you, I hear you. It's a different film. It's a different film, but I'm telling you now, as the casting director of Titanic, there is no way that Betty Piper is not in this film. She is too good not to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:36

Well, then she needs to be Ruth. She needs to be Ruth.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:39

Well, see, I was going to make her Ruth, but then I was I was concerned that she might be angry at me if I put if I if I casted her as Ruth, so I had to put her as Rose.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:48

Because how old is she? She is Pablo, she's 43 years old. She's yeah, but look at her.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:54

She can put she can play 17. Listen, this this is absolutely there is no objectivity here. This is absolutely just blind, blind loyalty. She would be Ruth.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:08

She would be Ruth.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:09

She can be whatever the fuck she wants to be, actually. She listen, she listened. I would go to her like, who do you want to be? I'll just make you a role. You could be whatever you want.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:17

We'll make a captain. You know how I mean, listen, I know how you feel. Like, if I if I wanted to do my real fan edit of this movie, I would just do male male and put the two heated rivalry guys and like on the bow of the ship, and we're done. Let's shoot some sexy.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:33

I'm sorry. Billy Piper and Jeremy Irving in the flying scene.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:38

I mean, I just the ages don't work for that story for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:43

Right. This this guy, this is my last episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:47

Friendship is over.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:50

That's okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:51

No, so it's the final straw.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:54

Yeah, that's it. Um also actually look at this. I put this in to remind you, Buddy Piper did also, you know, when she was a pop star, she did a whole thing with the city.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:03

I know because you were at my house and showed this to my family. I know this. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:09

My other, my other Ruth, my other Ruth, this is gonna mean nothing to you, LA, and this is gonna mean nothing to most of your um to your listeners, actually. But to British people, this is gonna mean everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:21

Well, do you know that almost 40% of my listeners are British?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:24

Oh, okay. Well, in that case, in that case, guys, buckle up to who I actually I'm serious. Who better to play Ruth than Linda from East Enders? Listen. Oh my gosh. Linda from East Enders, she is, she is chaotic. She can scream.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:50

This is gonna get people commenting. People are gonna lose their mind over this one.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:54

Listen, I'm telling you now. I'm telling you that Linda from East Enders, you get a you get someone who is, she's been serving drinks to people in the pub. She has been through it all, she has seen some stuff in that pub in the Queen Beck. Um, and she is the only person who could take that Queen Beck onto the boat deck of Titanic and deliver a. I mean, listen, it is gonna be a different type of of Ruth, but this is this is peak, this is peak British acting from East Enders, or pre pre peak British soap acting into Titanic. I just think the corset scene, Linda from East Enders doing the corset scene. Oh my god, this is it transforms this film, and I think honestly, it's a genius pick.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:45

I'm not, I won't argue with you. It's a different vibe, but it's it's a very different vibe, but it could be amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:51

Yeah, I had Nelson McCarthy as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:53

Nelson McCarthy is my name, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:55

And then I really wanted to find a role for Tiger Drew Honey because he is a brilliant actor. I was thinking maybe a bit Jack, but he's a little bit too old to be Jack, but you may remember, of course, he was in Titanic Things tonight.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:05

So well, number one, I can't say two things. One, he has the best name ever. Like, there's no better name than that, Tiger Drew Honey. Um, two, I think, you know what? Let's cast him in someone we didn't do. I know who he is. I know who he is. He's Officer Lowe.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:24

You know, when you said about adding Murdoch, I nearly asked if we could swap to Lowe so I could so I could do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:32

We should have just added we should have done lie, taller, and low. We should have added those in, but I just didn't it when it got when it gets to too many, then it's like I wanted the episode to be the amount of time people could sit down and listen in one listen and you know um yeah, but I think he's our our officer low.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:49

So I have one final addition, which is that I am also, even though this is sacrilege, because listen, I think Celine Dion is the most extraordinary singer. However, if I am casting this film, I'm also choosing a singer, and there is no way that the singer is not Diana Vickers because I just I knew it.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:11

I knew it. I told John I was like, he's picking Diana Vickers. I actually didn't pick one because I knew you would pick Diana Vickers and I wouldn't want to argue with you. It is non-negotiable. But it and honestly, I couldn't think of anyone better. Um, you know, I think like the obvious choice for who would do it now, who would ask to be do it now would probably be Adele. Um, but I think that's so boring.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:35

And I think, I mean, people are gonna write, but I think Adele's music is boring.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:39

Um yeah, people are gonna write over that. I think that I I choose Diana Vickers, A, because she's my all-time favorite singer. There's absolutely, again, no objectivity here. I think she's the greatest singer, but I also think she brings something completely different to Celine Dion. Celine Dion is like a big powerhouse singer. Celine Dion and uh Diana Vickers has this like very unique, kind of husky, kind of kind of scratchy voice. It's very, very unique, very, very different. Um, back in the day, she used to be called the kind of marmite singer. And I just think, I mean, I love her. I love everything about her. I think she's just the most fabulous singer. Um, she's just amazing. But I think, I mean, I have also seen her cover It's All Coming Back to Me Now, and it was brilliant, absolutely brilliant. And this is a public lobby for her to cover My Heart Will Go On, so I can be proven right that in my recasting of Titanic, Diana Vickers is the Celine Dion. Well, I won't have another word said about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:36

No, I I won't argue with this, but I will get a plug-in for my dream scenario, which I don't think would happen, but you know it's coming. I, you know, and it might be because like if this were truly remade, it would be the biggest thing in the world. But I would love for Taylor Swift to do it because I think she could, she's capable of like putting a spin on something in her very unique way. And she, you know, some people I'm in love. Taylor Swift is very divisive these days. I get it. I am firmly in the Taylor Swift camp. I love her, we'll always love her. Um, and I would love to see her do that. I think it would be really, really cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:16

I think you have to do something. I think like you can't replace Celine Dion. I think that's why like something like Taylor Swift, something like Diana Vickers, they're they're you do you remember when um well you might not remember this because Simon Carl, I know he's like more of a British person, although he is known in America, is that when James Cameron was doing the first Avatar, they um they cast Leona Lewis to do the the the theme song I see you, and everyone was like, oh my god, it's like the new Celine Dion, the new My Hot Will Go One. And I was like, no, it's really, really not. There is only one Celine Dion because she has that voice and only she has that voice. And Leon Lewis is a great singer, by the way, but I think it's they I think they tried to replicate the Celine Dion My Hot Will Go On moment with the Leon Lewis Nice CU and Avatar, and it just didn't quite work. And I think that's why if we're recasting here, there is no way I'm trying to replicate Celine Dion because it just can't happen. I don't think Taylor Swift is sweet. I don't think Diana Vickers is sweet. No, and they're so different.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:13

They're so different. I just think that if you were to pick someone to sing it in 2026 and you wanted the virality, you wanted it to be big, you wanted, you know, it's like she just did the Taylor just did the theme song from the latest Toy Story movie, and people like lost their shit and it became like number one on all platforms, like and it's a song from a movie, you know. So I think like if you want that to happen, you in 2026 you get Taylor. Like, I think that could happen. Um well, I I am very intrigued by all of this, and I would love to. Oh, you know what? There's one more honorable mention. I had forgotten to written to write it on there. She is too old now. She's by no means old. She's maybe 30, um, maybe 31. But a few years ago when she was younger, and I saw her in Little Women and a few other things. I turned to John and I said, you know, Florence Pugh could be Rose. I mean, she embodies, she's like the Kate Winslot of her day. She's done so many amazing roles. She's an incredible actress. Obviously, she was nominated for an Oscar at a very young age for Little Women. Um, she has that very ethereal round face. Like she just the open eyes. Um, I think if we were doing this five years ago, she would have been my number one choice for Rose, hands down. But I think she's kind of aged out of the part, which is why it didn't include her. And she looks amazing in period costume, as we've seen by a lot of roles she's already done. So, and I I love her, I adore her. So she's definitely an if we were going to cast Rose as more like into her 20s, would be her. But I just I stand by Jack and Rose have to be super young. This is what this is.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:03

Um definitely Piper.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:07

Sure. Um, all right. Well, in the in the in the hopes of keeping this to an amount of time that people can listen to in one listen, we will wrap up, but we will end by saying that we truly, truly hope people will um give us their lists and share with us what they think we got right, what we think, what they think we got wrong, um, who their top picks are. I really, truly would love it. So feel free to send those along on Instagram um or via email if you want to go sort of the old-fashioned way. Um, but the next episode that I do, maybe I'll save some space um for going over people's lists, or maybe that might be a Patreon thing that I do that might be fun. So, so send those along and share them on Instagram and tag the podcast. Um, but yeah, this has been this has been really fucking fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:59

This has been what we needed. This has been what we needed.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:03

For many, for many um undisclosed reasons, Pablo and I needed uh we both needed a um just throw all, throw everything to the wind and just indulge our completely escapist uh brain. We needed it, it was here for us, and we hope that you find this episode on a day where the world might be a little too much for you and this pops into your feed and you're like, holy shit, yes, this is a fun exercise, and I'm gonna go disappear into this for a couple of hours. Like, I hope that provides the service to some of you guys as well, um, especially headed into, you know, like I don't know. I mean, I I just feel like the world is the world can canon is very dark at spots right now. And I've always wanted this podcast to be something people can sort of, you know. But I think a lot of a lot of longtime listeners, I know from talking to you guys and interacting with you guys for years now, you're gonna, I think you're gonna love this. And this is just in the spirit of fun and putting a smile on your face. So I hope it's done that. And we will see you, Pablo, inevitably back soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:15

It's it's always well you redeemed yourself by bringing in Andre Garfield. There was a moment where I was considering not coming back, but Andre Garfield played the right.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:22

I knew. I threw, I threw him in there to ensure that. In the meantime, I'm gonna go down some suggestions I already got in from Instagram for Cal and for Thomas Andrews. You know, what's crazy is that I the other day I was um sitting around just working on the clip art on Canva for the Cal, the little cow um thing on Instagram. And uh my husband John was like, Who's Kaladin Hockley? Even though it was a picture of Billy Zane, all you know, albeit with his eyes blacked out, and then the words Kaladin Hawkley. And I was like, What do you mean? Who else could it be? And he's like, I thought it was Calvin Hockley, and his his brain could not comprehend Kaladin Hockley. And I'm like, no, that's that's canon. Let me blow your mind, Kaladin Hockley. Okay. Uh, first off, longtime listener of the podcast and longtime supporter, shout out Kelsey. Uh, she suggested Noah Wiley or Arnold Vosloo, who I had to look up. He's from The Mummy, a little bit older, but definitely like Billy Zane vibes. Um, Angie, also longtime uh supporter of the podcast and just awesome human. Um, so like honestly, like it's so cool how many of you I've gotten to know over the years, um, which is why Instagram is great. I think like Instagram has created problems in our society, but there's also a lot of great that comes out of it too, um, for something like my podcast. Okay. So Angie suggests um Chris Pratt. Um, let's see, that would be I it's almost like I could see it because he's so handsome and he's a little bit older now, but it would have to be him with kind of a villain turn. But you know, it's fun to see people who don't typically do villain roles do villain roles. All right, we have two votes for Robert Pattinson, one from Matt and one from Molly. And I'm like, I can see it. I mean, his career in a good way is just all over the fucking place. And I appreciate that. He's doing really interesting stuff. He's about to be um, his next film is like he's playing Chris Hansen from How to Catch a Predator. Wild. Um, let's see. Um, if you were someone whose handle on Instagram does not include your name, uh, and or I was just wasn't familiar with you in a way to sort of figure out what your first name might be from your profile, I didn't want to assume. And I also just didn't want to start saying people's profile names. So um for some of these, I'm just gonna say the suggestion. Um, someone suggested Glenn Powell and said, considering he was a fictional character, um, unlike Mr. Andrews, I don't feel the need to stay in a box with it. That's a good point. Um Lauren said Austin Butler, maybe not the most obvious choice, but right age, handsome, can play a villain. Good point. Uh, someone suggested Finn Whitrock. I'm not sure I know who that is. And someone suggested Zach Efron. So that's a, I mean, honestly, it's fun because you can make a case for pretty much anybody if you have a vision. Okay. Uh, Thomas Andrews, here's some suggestions that we had come in. Kelsey suggested Colin Farrell. Angie blew my mind with this one, suggested Jude Law. And I thought, yes, like this would be a very sweet and endearing turn for Jude Law. I love Jude Law. Angie and I recorded a whole episode about the holiday a couple of years ago. Uh oh, Kelsey also suggested Pierce Brosnan. Let's see. Jen, also longtime supporter of the podcast, Hey Jen, um, suggested Tom Hanks. And I said, you know, like any film with Tom Hanks in it is better. So I mean, can't argue with that. Um, Lauren said, um, thinking of a Northern Irish actor first came that that came to mind was Jamie Dornen. Um, and she references the film Belfast. And we ended up having a little mini conversation about that on Instagram because the film Belfast is amazing. Jamie Dornen is incredible in it. And this is probably my top um pick from these suggestions. Jamie Dornen is incredible. And Lauren, I may have said your suggestion, I may have said your name for your suggestion for Cal is Laura, and that might have been a mistake, but it's Lauren. So thank you, Lauren, for all of your interaction on Instagram. That's a really great suggestion. Someone suggested Domel Gleason. Uh someone suggested James Pancott, aka um host of the Witness Titanic podcast, who's been on this podcast. I mean, uh, James, do you act? I'm I could see it. You have the look. Let's let's roll with it. Um, someone suggested Andrew Scott, great suggestion. Someone suggested Orlando Bloom, someone suggested Keanu Reeves. So it's some a lot of like really great conversations um that popped up because of this on Instagram. So again, you know, if you are someone who does Instagram and you haven't joined over there, um, it's where I get a lot of great ideas and it's where I've interacted with a lot of longtime listeners and built even, you know, like friendships from there. So uh pop on over if you haven't. And in the meantime, you could also, you can also email your list if you want to just send your recast list, and I will record some more uh to add whenever I do another episode. All right. Till next time. I hope you enjoyed this. This is so fun to do. Bye bye.