Markiplier's Iron Lung(2026)|Blood, Steel, And A Submarine Dream

A blood ocean on a dead moon. A metal coffin for a ship. And a creator who bet on patience over spectacle. We sat down to unpack how Markiplier’s Iron Lung turns silence into terror, why practical effects matter more than ever, and how an indie feature roared into the box office conversation without a studio parachute. If slow-burn horror has been written off as a relic, this film makes the case for bringing it back—with steel, sweat, and 80,000 gallons of red.

We trace the journey from cult video game to feature film, spotlighting the choices that keep tension coiled: a single set, a solitary pilot, and sound design that lets the hull do the talking. We get into the lore threads fans love to tug—numbered submarines, black boxes, terminal Easter eggs—and compare the entity’s many faces across game and film. The debate gets lively around pacing and payoffs: what some call “slow,” we read as discipline that makes the final surge hit like a pressure breach. We also talk practical blood rigs, makeup details you only catch on rewatch, and how a constrained budget pushed the team toward smarter, more tactile scares.

Beyond craft, we look at the ripple effects. Iron Lung’s audience score towered over critics, raising old questions about what horror should be and who gets to define it. We explore how a massive creator platform changed the marketing calculus, why distribution still trips indie films, and where this world could go next—think a limited series tracing each submarine’s doomed run. If you’re curious about psychological horror, practical effects, and game-to-film adaptations that respect their roots, consider this your guided dive.

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Transcript

Kicking Off And Setting The Stage

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 0:02

We are live. I'm just gonna double check my YouTube that we are actually live. So we'll just give it two seconds.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Oh you got the you got the red bubble.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

Yep, there we go. Alright. Welcome to apartment theater. We have not been here for months. And along with not being here for months, I have now brought one of my best friends, Jesse, aboard to talk about Iron Lung by Markiplier, which I am extremely hyped about. So let's uh get into that. So as if you're any kind of gaming online, you have seen or heard of Markiplier. If not by being a fan of Jacksepti, PewDiePie, Crank Gaming, like you've heard of Markiplier.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Internet royalty.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Honestly. I was just watching a TikTok where somebody was made internet royalty. She like bonks somebody out of the water park to get them out of the yeah. Anyways. Um, but uh so just imagine loving a game so much that you contact the devs to be like, I want to make a movie of your game. And that is what I did with Iron Lung. So let me read the description of the movie. Uh, Iron Lung, 2026, because that's here we're in, is a science fiction horror film directed by YouTuber Martiplier Mark Fishback. I'm sorry if I say it wrong.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Fishbach.

Who Markiplier Is And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_03 1:40

Fishbach. English and pronunciation is not my first language. Based on the video game of the same name about a convict piloting a submarine through a blood ocean on a desolate moon after an apocalyptic event called The Quiet Ratcher, released in January 2026. The film Starm has the protagonist, Simon, and has received mixed reviews, praised for its claustrophobic atmosphere, but criticized by some for its slow pace, though it performed well at the Bop's office. So this is my favorite thing, is just the actual uh film versus uh audience review and Rotten Tomatoes, because man, did he shake the market? Because if you were following when this film came out, he was uh number two for a very long time on domestic box office, and then he just poof, disappeared, gone. And which was really disheartening, and everybody just really theorized it as like he's not being distributed by Major Studio, and he um isn't like these big like he isn't Disney because the only one in on top was Disney. Um, but if I remember looking correctly, he is actually now number one um film, and he's making almost like a gross amount of his budget. His budget was originally a little under 3 million, uh, globally has made almost 37 million, if not like 38 is around that. Uh so he's making a lot of milestones, and I'm so excited for him. Uh, I've been following Mark since like late 2012, I think. So it's been a minute, like since the beginning. So I think you were in the trenches. Oh my god. It's so exciting because it's just fun seeing somebody who's not problematic, for one. Um just follow through on their dreams. Like he's always talked about, um, like and he's always like done his like little mini projects and everything. And it's it's just like seeing one of those people you really look up to actually achieve your dreams was really inspiring. Because watching this film, um like yes, it was slow paced, but I feel slow burner films aren't a thing anymore, and it everything's just very like in your face, very quick, very snappy, and there's no real suspense. And I think that's why people are also getting like really pissy, but you never know, Rotten Tomatoes like a bitch about everything. He is also number one on Rotten Tomato now. I did uh saw that earlier today.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Really? I actually didn't look up the Rotten Tomato score before.

SPEAKER_03 4:43

He yeah, no, I uh this is probably one of my so usually here at an apartment theater, we really just like watch a movie and then just bang, go right into it. Last bang, reviews, and um I I put so much like actual heart and um looking up into things with this, and uh, I've been wanting to talk about this since last week. Like, I wanted to do this film um the day after I saw it, but then I'm like, I really want to bounce ideas off it, and then I'm like, Jesse saw this film.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

I did. In fact, I I went with my partner this past weekend, and I honestly wish I could have gone again, but then I it's in the theater still, it got an extended release. Well, yes, I intentionally lost a new fight recently, so I can't drive.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

So that's fair, and I can't drive medically for context.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Uh I had surgery. Yes, nothing big. I just I had surgery and I I can't drive. So I fight. I didn't actually go out and be like, hey, you want to stab me? Although that would have been a wild way to go.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

Um honestly, if you told me that, I wouldn't be shocked. And if you did it before the film, you would have uh been bloodied up before this.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

Yeah, it would have been a good idea. That's what we want.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Oh my gosh. I love, I love and hate the trend because I laughed too hard at it.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

When people were you you know what I'm gonna say, aren't you? Don't you? People on TikTok uh who were saying that they were on their period when they saw the movie and they were like, this is a great 40 experience. I just could not stop myself from dying. Ah god.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Well, well, I um I have to say I didn't experience that. I do have to say that when I was going in, I went with a friend, and I was like, this movie would be so interesting in 4D because and I was saying how I wish we had a 4D theater. So could you imagine going into a theater and seeing that there's a splash zone for a movie that uses 80,000 gallons of blood?

Box Office Shock And Indie Momentum

SPEAKER_00 7:25

I would love that. I coming out of that theater, you would get so many looks and I would adore it. I would pay so much extra to go to that viewing.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I wish we were in a more populated area. Honestly, I don't think we have any on the East Coast. I think most of the 4D theaters are in California because California has all the fun things.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

So this is true.

SPEAKER_03 7:58

Yeah. Um, but uh yeah, I thought there was a lot of achievements um for this like indie film because end of the day, even though Marketplayer obviously is a um YouTube royalty, I think he is around 38 million followers the last time I looked. Um and so he has like he does have this huge backing, so he does have like a lot of advantages with um support and on like a movie like this, um, because the Hindi Hindi like horror films, it it is I mean, it's just generally difficult to make a movie. And I think it's very inspiring that he was able to make this film in a secluded, like just one area, like you're not doing a lot of um uh bouncing around areas, like you're in one area, you're also the only um that's the word, uh visual and emotional uh output for the movie, like being that source as somebody who um well likes to do acting and stuff, like that that's difficult. A one-man show is very difficult, and we do get some other faces and like other voices. Uh, we do get a radiated Jack, which is fun. Um, I'm also a big Jack Septichai person.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

Good old Jack. Yeah, Sean, technically. I saw I saw the name in the in the credits that it was Sean, and I was like, wait, wait a second, wait a second. No, not actually. Who did I miss? I thought maybe he was one of the voices in like the recording.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

Originally, when I was looking up the film prior to seeing it, just to get like an idea who's in it, I saw Sean McLaughlin as voice number two, I believe he was listed as. But um, in the actual film, actually, I do have to say, I mean, most people that listen to apartment theater um know, spoil alerts, we talk about it. Um, so if you haven't seen the movie, well, we're about to just really get into the movie. Um, but Trump McLachlan was in it and he was listed as voice number two. So a lot of like I thought he was gonna be like on the speaker or something, which is fun because he has a very um uh identifiable voice. Uh, but uh he still has a very identifiable voice when you couldn't see who it was, and uh he started talking. I'm like, that's that's Juck Sutter guy. Uh he's the welder in the uh in the movie, um, working on the iron lung. And this is where Mark accidentally radiates him. Um and they make callbouts through the whole film too, like asking about like how Jack is, and I love that his character's name was Jack. I think that was very like fun tippet. It's nice seeing them do stuff together, too, because they're both very um good in their like it's just what they do, and I've always enjoyed content with them together, so it was very exciting to see them actually do something together.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Yeah, it has been a while since I've seen more content between the two of them. In fact, I I know there was a while where there was an issue uh that people thought that they were beefing over something, that something happened behind the scenes, something or other that they were like, why don't you do things together? Why don't I see you interacting on whatever social media platforms, uh X, Y, and Z, um and things of that nature. And so, like getting that chance to be like, oh yeah, no, like Mark's just this busy. Yeah, but we're actually doing the thing together. That's how close we still are.

SPEAKER_03 12:05

It's also that parasocial thing that like people got going on. Um like uh I know there was a lot of uh fanfics, unfortunately, and that definitely creates like some awkwardness.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Um fan fiction is the blessing of the internet, no.

Claustrophobia, Pacing, And Slow Burn Horror

SPEAKER_03 12:27

And it was very like y'all kind of like ruined it, and um but it it was it it's just nice to see them like working on something together because they both want to like go into like things like that. So um it was just very exciting, and I hope to see them doing more like movies stuff together, maybe not content on YouTube again. Um, I understand like I mean, they've both been doing it for very long time. Um so it'd just be nice to like start seeing them like do even if it's just more like the gaming content. I will not give gaming movie content, um which is exciting. And I um I just love that he got melted. I'm unsure who the lady was who melted. I love jackseptice, but I love a good melted jackseptike. Uh you can't say you're friends with somebody until you radiate them.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

I'm sorry, ADHD just go.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

Anyways. I'm just thinking of you can't be friends with someone until you irradiate them. And I'm just going back to how big of medical messes we are at the moment when we've had to be inadvertently irradiated growing up for like scans and shit like that.

SPEAKER_03 13:57

For reference.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

I go for it wholeheartedly.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

Honestly, I think that strengthened our friendship. For for reference, we have been friends um for Don't say the number.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

I will say the number.

SPEAKER_03 14:09

Wait, hold on, I have to remember how old we are. Um we like 26 years. So like when I say this is one of my best friends, we have been through the trenches together.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Nope, fully parasocial relationship.

SPEAKER_03 14:23

That is us. And we it radiate.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Um also I I was I was told apparently you have a bit of an echo on the YouTube side.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

Oh, I wonder why. All right, so let me take a pause for that real quick and figure out why I have an echo. Um I don't know what could be giving me an echo.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

Let's see. The only thing I can think of is if my audio is coming through twice, but I don't I don't know why my audio comes through twice. When I figure out where my Steam Labs went, there it is. My gosh!

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Hold on, uh I'm gonna deafen in Discord and see if I can hear it.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

Audio input capture. Audio input capture. Oh, it looks like I have two of them. Oh, that means my audio from yesterday is messed up. Alright, hold on, let me get rid of this. Alright, how is it sound now? Does it sound echoey? Echo. I will just say random things until it's fixed. Um, I'm gonna annoy everybody real quick.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Alright. I uh I heard it. It just sounds like you're peeking a little bit and you're getting like bouncing from uh the audio of your room. I think it's just turned up a bunch.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

Uh maybe.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

It doesn't sound necessarily like an echo. Alright.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Not too much to worry about.

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Yeah, unfortunately, this is what we got to work with right now, and uh, I appreciate people coming through and letting us know when our mics are like that. A bit quiet, but echoes gone. Okay, I did accidentally, because I'm intelligent, and I had my audio output twice on my streamlabs. So um because I was gonna have a very expensive microphone. I'd be so annoyed if it echoed. Um, but anyways, so we follow the journey. One thing I really uh so at this point we're only like 20 minutes into the movie and uh Jack dies.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

But dies.

SPEAKER_03 16:46

Well, dies, not really, he was irradiated, and they never really actually did say he was dead. They're just like, you irradiated him, and if you look up what radiation does to you, it's not pretty.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

So and and one thing I like is that uh the the captain who's through the actual porthole of the iron lung, who's like the standard voice we interact with on the other side of the speaker, like 90% of the time, when you have that irradiation situation, you can see she has this scar and it actually begins to droop. I love that makeup caused it to like droop because it looked like her skin was like in the midst of like slothing off.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Oh, I didn't catch that. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

The the porthole's really thick and cloudy, and there's blood dripping down. I think it was meant to be one of those like you can barely see it, but when you see it, it's a touch that looks really really attentive to detail.

Theater Gossip And Audio Troubleshooting

SPEAKER_03 17:46

That's one thing that like is uh in indie movies that you can appreciate a lot is like the attention to detail because it's easier to because the crews are smaller, like you're not working with like 20, 30 like per division or something, you're working with like maybe five to ten people. Um it's much easier to keep uh like a quick relationship with like alright, well, this is looking like this, and uh those attention to details. Also, most of his friends uh worked on this film with them, just like Andy Indy movie, and when most of your uh most of your friends have the same vision for something, it's much easier to keep those details. But yeah, I I mustn't miss that. Um which is just really nice, honestly, to rewatchability.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

That's all it is.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Yeah, that's fine. That gives me another reason to go and go spend money and support Markiplier. That's all I want to do.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Apparently, there's going to be a physical release, yes, which I will immediately buy.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

I don't have a DVD player anymore, but I will physically have it.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Um I think they're going to go Blu-ray, and one thing that I did hear is that a lot of people had an issue with, and I I sometimes have issues with like auditory processing, like my ears get overwhelmed and stuff like that. Um, that I thought like maybe it was just me when I saw it at my local theater. Some of the things seemed more muffled than they should have been. Apparently, uh it has been a thing through a lot of theaters where the audio was not being balanced correctly because they had very specific balancing and leveling that that was supposed to be done with the film. Um, I don't know how true that is. I don't know how uh accurate it is, but it's apparently something that had been happening quite often.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

So I saw the movie probably two days after you. Um, and I heard everything just fine. So you definitely saw an earlier release, and they might have been like that might have been a thing, and they were like fixing the audio and stuff by the second movie. Because um I heard everything just fine. Nothing sounds muffled, unless it was meant to sound muffled. Yeah, but uh there one thing I really um enjoy about this movie is uh you can feel Simon going insane and like um and the realization of when it he wasn't the first guy to go down into this blood ocean. He was like the eighth or something, or I think it was eighth. No, no, tenth. Because he found eight.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

So in the movie, uh well in the movie and in the game, uh the iron lung is SM13 submachine or yes, submachine gun, Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

Uh, interesting submachine gun.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

It's an interesting choice. Uh just as deadly though, apparently. Um SM13. So we can infer submarine 13. Um and we can infer that because we find submarine we've entered spoil spoiler or uh big spoilers. Fully spoilery session of the podcast at this point. Uh submarine thir or 13. We find submarine eight down at the bottom of the blood ocean. We can infer that all 13 have most likely been at this blood moon in particular. Because there's a number of them.

SPEAKER_04 21:40

Yeah.

Practical Effects, Blood, And 4D Fantasies

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Um I think that's a fairly like reasonable inference to make. Uh so he's he's the thirteenth. I'm curious in the sense that I don't think there were only 13 expeditions. In the sense that we find a note inside of SM13 from what is supposed to be the prior operator of the submarine who chooses to die at the bottom of the ocean, um, as we find out later in the film due to some notes. Um so there may have been for different submarines, there were still multiple crews or expeditions or anything of the sort. So for all we know, there could have been SM1 and they might have been seven different teams that went down. Um I do know that early on in the SM days, uh, that they did not just have one operator, um, and they were not just four convicts. I believe Iron Lung SM13 is the only one that is specifically as part of the uh the program for criminals uh that is part of the quote unquote, according to some of the lore, conviction realization program. Um and so early on there were teams of two that used to go down, one pilot and one scientist that went down with each submarine expedition. Um and I think that the Iron Lung is the only one that was part of that uh convict program. So there were estimated to be 12 other expedition teams that went into this blood ocean. Probably. It doesn't give us a solid answer on that, though that's kind of the inference we can make on that. What do you think on it?

SPEAKER_03 24:01

I uh would probably say that's right. So I'm gonna go into so as I said before um earlier, I have been following Markiplier for a very, very long time. So Iron Lung was one of the few series that I didn't watch thoroughly through. So I ended up watching it afterwards because I was like, well, now I have to go and actually watch like that. Um and look, I just really like watching his Hunie Pop playthrough. Anyways. Um my gosh, it's just so funny. Anyways.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

I never thought the reference to Hunie Pop would come into a horror movie uh review and conversation.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

It of course it would. Uh obviously, it is the other kind of horror movie.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Obviously.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Um but so I ended up watching the that playthrough, which was fun to actually see like him develop the love for the game and enjoy the game. And then I started watching the lore for it. I didn't get to further fully watch the lore um video that came out afterwards. Um I think uh it wasn't it wasn't too far after like the game, like it had like a bunch of updates and stuff in it, so we read replayed it. And so um I believe some of what you're talking about is in that lore, most likely. So I'm going to agree with you. Um, because I haven't thoroughly watched that video. Um, I like the idea because it does make sense in a sub-apoc uh like uh apocalyptic culture that you would want to use what your society is deeming uh least uh um useful to the society that you're trying to build to in um dangerous expeditions, especially if they're intelligent um convicts and stuff, especially just being like, well, we'll set you free, and that's what you're saying the whole time, but that is not what's going to happen. Um I do feel because there was uh a lot of like hindsight. So throughout the movie, you will get flashbacks to what he kind of did, and um, they're all blaming him for this explosion that wasn't his fault, and which like always sucks when you get blamed for something that you did not do.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Um correct, but especially when it's terrorism, yeah, yeah.

One-Set Filmmaking And Cameos

SPEAKER_03 26:51

That that's a hard one to try to escape. Um, yeah, but I really think this would have done well as a like series, like be it only like eight or twelve episodes, like not like a huge series. Um it's something Amazon probably would pick up like easily, just because like Amazon's got this new hot money to pick up YouTube things, as we see with like Hasman Hotel and like uh Halloween Boss. Um, it would have been like easy because like he created such an interesting thing that I wanted to see more of. Like I wanted to know that background, like because it we got like maybe a collective like six minutes of what that was, and it looked so interesting. Like the home, like well, not the home tree, the um tree that was like supposed to be like the last living tree or in existence, and like it's it would have been really cool to get more information on that because it probably would have helped me be like, Well, Simon, maybe you do deserve this, and I'm like, Yeah. Um, so I think this would have done like I think it did phenomenal as a movie. Like, I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Um, I would have loved like a series just because like he put so much interesting things in this movie that I would have loved to like deep dive into it more, being you're able to do that with hour-long films. Of course, then we're talking about like longer production time, and he had a very stressful production time with this movie in general, and it was a stressful three years, uh sending him to the ER a lot, like when he got blood in the eye, which it is very like interesting to like see. Like, I remember watching the video of uh he was just like I think he was just talking, like I don't I don't think he was doing anything, and he had red in his eyes, and he was just like he posted about like oh I was in the ER over the weekend, and at this point in time he wasn't talking about what he was working on yet, and he just said uh a um like a project that they're working on, and so like when you actually got to see it happen in the film, because I I was like curious, I'm like, how does he get blood in his eye? And then when it just like splat across his face, I'm like, I know the scene, which uh definitely sucks. That would definitely be horrible because fake blood is a awful consistency.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

It's so viscous that like you'd have to get like a full-on eye wash to be able to get it out.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

So like yeah, yeah, and it stains, it stains so bad because I have like to get like the proper blood color, like they have to put a lot of like dye in it, and my god, I when I do like special effects makeup, um, I hate what I love and hate because I love that finishing touch of like adding on fake blood, but I also hate it because it stains my face, and then I go to work and I have like these ripples everywhere. Um it's just it's just ironic to see because like when he slowly starts going more and more insane as he like hits lower depths. Um well, I shouldn't say insane, I just say like hallucinating, because like he starts like hallucinating, and those hallucinations like were and I I wouldn't say they weren't scary, but they did like catch me at moments, and I love that. Um because like there's such this big trope now of when like same scenes, like let's say like Insidious, because Insidious had scenes like this, um they would like do a loud noise and a loud jump and like to try to get you like really like freaked out, and there was nothing added to this. It was just like he saw something out of the corner of his eye, or um see eventually see somebody sitting in his chair, and I enjoyed that for like not in our face, loud music, because imagine again it's like a sensory thing, and like I also I've watched over 250 films at this point, and like it's such an annoying trope to constantly see in horror movies. It's an easy trope, like super easy, but it's such an annoying one to see when you're watching a film that is like, and I think suspense um like that is much scarier uh than if he like were to add it. Like, I I think I would have been annoyed. I think if like he added that, I'd be like, oh, you're better than that, Mark. Come on. Um, I I think it was a smart decision to not really add those like loud noises whenever he like would start hallucinating. Um and seeing that 80,000 gallons of blood that I thought was gonna be like where he got it, but man, man.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

The idea that in a movie that runs for like I think the the final runtime is like two hours and six minutes, the fact that you see like 90% of that blood content of 80,000 gallons is in the last like 20 minutes is fucking wild.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

Yeah, uh uh hold on, I'm just replying to somebody on the video. Uh after you get it the first time. First time, sorry. Um, but uh I like uh if this is cor if this is correct, this is what I heard um like through like hearsay. I didn't hear through Mark, so I can't say this is actual production value worth movie. Um that they like pretty much developed a car wash and just was just like instead of water, let's have blood.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

I remember watching the live because I was actually in his live that day that he had the red eyes after he had had the the the uh ejection into his eyes. Apparently they had put they had put blood into power washers.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Hell yeah.

Spoilers, Radiance, And Detail Work

SPEAKER_00 33:12

To be able to get the effect that they wanted with the level of pressure. Um which I think is number one, amazing. Number two, terrifying.

unknown 33:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:28

I mean this whole thing is just like terrifying, especially if you're claustrophobic.

SPEAKER_00 33:33

Oh yeah. And that's that's another thing. We were we were talking about uh you were talking about just a second ago about them kind of avoiding like the jump scary sort of uh approach at horror. And I think I think the setting alludes itself to adding that sense of dread, but a quiet dread. It almost treats the silence, and I hate to say this as like the the this is the posh, like critically observationalist, but like it treats the silence almost as another character in the sense that it makes you listen for what the silence is saying, and for what uh those little creaks, so instead of having a jump scare where it's a loud noise, all of a sudden, you would hear that subtle creak out of the silence, and that in and of itself would kind of ramp up almost as much as if it were a loud bang. Uh, because the the point of this type of like this type of horror is to build that dread, which I think is also I don't want to say it points to one of the movies downfalls, but one of the parts that does make it feel like it drags in the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 34:54

Yeah, yeah, it does like if I if I take Markiplier like out of this, like just like supporting Markiplier, and it's just like a film I wanted to see, I would have had a hard time like really getting first hit, like before things really started to like getting because it has such a s like long, like slow drag to it, which like some films do, and uh even the game itself, the game itself did have like a like that slow drag to it as well when you're first like playing the game. Um, I I do like agree. There's just like some things that could have been cut out and not make a difference, and it'd still be just as successful as it is, um, without doing anything. Like um, so I can agree with that. Like, there it you could have probably cut like 20 minutes out and it'd be just as successful, just as fine, like no real like issues. Will I still sit there for two hours to watch a Mark of Flyer film? Yes, I will.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

But obviously, but taking the bias out of it, I think I think there could have been some maybe that got cut, but I feel like I don't know. I feel like with the type of horror he went with, even though it does provide the dragging, I feel like the dragging is necessary. I feel like that's a necessary evil. So when the the the film does ramp up at the end, it's like you're going from a dead zero all the way up. It's like shooting up.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

Yeah. Uh well, it gets into those slow burner films um that just aren't a thing anymore. Like slow burner films aren't around anymore. It's not a genre that's like as popular, like I said, like uh a little bit ago. That's just the quick, like pow pow pow, like keychain, keychain, keychain, like um to keep like attention, like, oh, this is happening, this is happening. Um, slow burner films were much more popular. I'd probably say late 90s, early 2000s. That's like their real like era, and um like past that, like now people want a quick film to watch. That's like one of the issues with um uh I mean this isn't a horror film, but like it still has like a length issue with the avatar films of um like and it just constantly is like in your face, constantly doing things, but it has to do that to like because that's how films are nowadays, is they constantly have to be packed. And don't get me wrong, I love a good slow burner film. Um, but it just it really like depends. And I think it was successful in its in its own right. Like, I think uh Iron Lug was successful as like the slow burner film that assuming he was shooting for, because I mean he let's uh like watching his stuff like for like so long, let's be honest that he um he I he knows what he's doing, like he this is all very intentional. Like I know this wasn't just like film, film, film, and then put it together. Like he definitely like it's thought it out, and this is like it's definitely all like intentional how he thought to do things, and um that's why like as a slow burner film, like I know this can be considered one because this is most likely what he attended was a slow burner iron lung, and um I just also uh I just I just find it so exciting like that you've loved something so much that you can like just go make a film about it and also do it right. So like big names like Amazon, Hulu, um this is how you make a video game into a movie or a show. Um they're making Baldur's Gate. I'm not sure about that one.

Sound Mix Controversy And Fixes

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Here's the thing though, I do have to say, I'm currently watching through the Fallout series, and I do have to say, as a lover of Fallout, that that it is it does the series very well through Amazon.

SPEAKER_03 39:00

Yeah, Cass uh Cass said that Cass is a big uh Fallout person.

SPEAKER_00 39:05

Um I do think that the psychological horror and the the sort of like paranoia being its own thing in this movie is probably what makes it a key way to make this work without it being sort of like a fumbling movie. Because if you make it a fumbling movie where it's just sound after sound after sound, everything eventually is like okay, this this is falling into this, is falling into this, is falling into this. So yeah, that like that those silences and that slowburn is kind of the tone is what makes it. Um I do want to say that one the the couple of things that are seen as like stimuli for those noises and stimuli for the horror aspect is probably the entity, which is the kind of the the dubbed name for whatever is in the blood ocean, uh, that so many people are like guessing uh uh at like details about it that aren't really described in lore or in the games or in this nature. Uh a lot of people are debating whether or not there's we see the entities uh well the entity of the skeleton quite early on. I'd say probably like what 45 minutes in is the first view we have.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

Yeah, the some kind of view that we have is about 45 minutes when he sees it. Um and then like I say, say about like hour and a half, where like uh it's towards the ends of the film when that thing really just flew in. And like my other like thing about this is everything is so practical instead of CGI. Like, I mean, of course, there's things that you have to have CGI, like it's it's just how it has to be, but like to go mostly practical with everything is so exciting because everything is CGI nowadays. So as a practical, like special effects person, like it's nice to like see that stuff. Correct, but also I just like why do you why do you want to explore like a blood ocean that has no bottom, nothing like okay, so there has to be a bottom. Like, I understand, like in the contents of the um actual thing, it's just like there's no real bottom, it's just like blood and it's kind of shifting, but like there has to be a bottom. Like, like there has to be a part where you dig into like the planet, like, right?

Lore, Submarines, And Sanity Slipping

SPEAKER_00 41:49

And and it correct, there's got there's gotta be it gravity doesn't work that way where there would be nothing. Um one thing in the sense of the semantics that I actually wanted to talk about, uh is and I hate to pull this back, is it because I I do really want to say that uh the whole conversation about a lot of the details, uh this I feel like this film does ask you to do a lot of suspension of disbelief because there's so much going on in this post-apocalyptic universe that we can't account for. Like there's no bottom on this planet. Well, we we haven't been able to find it because we've only had what 13 submarines worth of of uh expeditions down there to find. Well, yeah, of deaths as well. Um but to find out what's down there. Um so they're they're very well. I think I think I don't remember when they don't say it's a bottom. I I think I think when they reference that they don't know where the bottom is, it's more of a we have it's so ambiguous that we don't we're trying to map it to try and find out. Um it's like trying to put the walls on a puzzle before you get started on the begin on the middle. Um that's also like it goes into what you're saying earlier of how many like um actual expeditions there has to be because he had a pre-existing map that he added onto it, and it's like so how many people um like somebody had to come back to give that map like their they had a set of uh coordinates for where where each of the things had to be like marked at and such like that.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

I do um like when he finds like um the submarine like eight and um and then you find out like the it also it when he starts hearing somebody else's voice. It makes you like, and it starts making you like at this point, he's been hallucinating. So, um, is this a real or is that a ghostly voice? Like, uh, because it starts arguing, um, or was it the monster's voice? Because it's just like what are those, like maybe it's just a monster, like it draws its prey in by making it go into psychosis, and like um like when it's not when the prey isn't listening, it's just like no listen. Um excuse me.

SPEAKER_00 44:33

So can I can I go into a can I go into a rant? Can I rant? I I have I have a hot take. Uh not maybe not a hot take, but it's it's a theory that's just sounds fucking bonkers. Um and it's that uh we hear two voices on the recording from SM8.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

I have a feeling that that was true because we find out that there were in fact two bodies on the SM8 via the information from the the terminal. Side note, uh, one quick tangent. The terminal not being introduced until later in the movie, I feel is a great reference to the fact that when Iron Lung originally dropped, it did not have the terminal. The terminal did not exist in the game. The terminal came during the lore update for the game. So the fact that when he first went down and he first went diving in the Iron Lung and he didn't have access to the terminal, and then when he went down a second time, oh yeah, the terminal's here. I think that was like a great like Easter egg of oh yeah, no, the terminal wasn't here at first, it was just dropped later in like the meta of the universe of Iron Lung.

SPEAKER_04 45:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:47

Um, number two. Uh, okay, so so the bonkers theory. Um, so the entity, we see it as this uh in the movie, we see the entity uh almost as this like blast of light, but then uh we see it in this like giant Lovecraftian being in this like extra planar space during that like plane of blood sort of hallucination or projection that uh Simon goes through. Um but in the game, uh the the quote unquote entity that is supposedly the Lovecraftian creature involved with all of this, uh, is seen almost as like a prismatic star, a like viscous prismatic star inside of the blood ocean as one of the POIs in the game. And it causes hallucinations or visual disruption in the game when you approach it. Um I have a theory that the two people who were on the SM8, because the early launches of the submarines had they did not have convicts, they had a pilot and a scientist.

SPEAKER_04 47:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

Which I think is one of the reasons why they were so determined on getting the black box back, because now they're sending convicts, they're not sending professionals. Um, so they wanted the information from the professionals that they lost. Um I have a theory that the two people who were on the SM8 eventually evolved to be two of the creatures we exhibit in the blood ocean. Because in the blood ocean, we see two things. We see the giant skeleton. It's it almost appears like a flat-topped fish with uh sort of eyes mounted atop. Uh there's debate whether or not it has flesh or not. Uh, I could go into the matter of uh X-ray technology and like what you actually see and what you don't see. I feel whether or not it has flesh is kind of neither here nor there. Um but we also see an eye that comes across the camera. That when you see the eye, it does not look anything like what an eye would look like coming from the skeleton creature that we see along the floor that moves. Um I have a f I have a theory that the two creatures we see are the two bodies that were inside of the SM8.

SPEAKER_03 48:31

I I like that idea because um towards the end, when Simon uh's uh submarine is being filled with blood, and you see that he starts like changing, getting these like things on his face, and like he starts like dysmorphing, he loses his arm because it's stuck to something. Um it it makes sense, like blood, like if the blood could change you. Of course, we don't have any like um background from the series. Like, I'm sure they've done those kind of experiments, but it's probably more classified experiments because let's be real, if you find out that you're going into an ocean that could change you, convicts would probably also be like, I'd rather be in a jail cell.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

I would rather be in a jail cell too, Simon. Don't worry about it.

Entities, Hallucinations, And Theories

SPEAKER_03 49:20

So um I I can agree, and there's like stuff like in the film that could back that as a possibility. So I I I'm here for that. I like that. I like that idea. Uh let's ship it over to the uh like developers and be like, hey, okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

You I'm gonna loop back. You were saying about Amazon picking up because you want to know more information. Hear me out. Amazon, you pick up from uh David Zamansky, who's the original uh creator of the Iron Lung series. Uh you pick it up and you make one episode for each of the submarines.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

Mmm, I like that.

SPEAKER_00 50:04

And then the finale for the first season is going to be after Simon dies. Eden? No, Eden and Filament. So the entire series is a lead up to when SM13 hits the water with Simon in it. Because Filament Station is the station that was blown up um when Simon was uh arrested for blowing up Filament Station. That's the the station that they refer to. Uh Filament Station was in a nine-day battle, and then uh those of Eden uh ended up, I think it was those of Eden. Maybe I might have this the sides wrong, uh but eventually caused the reactor to overload and everyone on the station died of radiation poisoning. Um way to go. Right? Side note, I also have a theory, that's why the iron lung is what it is, because I feel like there's also the possibility that Simon is slowly dying of radiation poisoning. Um, and the reason they're called convict realization instead of convict rehabilitation is because it is their way of getting out some benefit of just sending a convict to an elongated and more painful end that correlates to the crime they committed. Yeah, I already're a convict. I feel like it's got premise, and Mark's already been part of a program that has run on Amazon. You got the you you got the connections. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

Amazon loves putting their names on things, so like it's true. If Mark and like Markiplier being as big as Markiplier is and making so many milestones in like the uh cinematic universe right now, um they would be like, Yeah, yeah, whatever you want to do, bud.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

So listen, you made uh just in your first two weekends, you made like 13 times your original budget. Soar, let's do it your way.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

No, perish the thought.

SPEAKER_03 52:30

Like, because like I um like, I don't know if Mark's follower count has gone up since um the release of uh Iron Lung. I wasn't paying attention or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

Um I'm gonna look it up because I got a magic box to do so.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

Hell yeah. Uh in which case it would bring in more theater. I mean, like, you'd be surpr or guess I I guess you wouldn't be surprised. So, like, I work with a uh probably like a wide range of ages, and I do work with newer teenagers, and I have mentioned Markiplier before, and like because they'll they'll ask me about like movies and stuff, because they know I do like podcasts and whatnot, and they'll be like, Oh, are you doing the like or what film are you doing next? And I'll mention, oh yeah, buy Markiplier, and they'll be like, Who? And I'm like, he's a YouTuber, and they'll be like, Who? So it's definitely our generation that like grew up with him. I don't think he's um like I think like the younger kids that watch him are probably like children of like people that grew up with him. Um but uh I I don't know. The man deserves everything.

SPEAKER_00 53:47

He's a good kid, he does, in fact, deserve everything.

SPEAKER_03 53:50

His mom is entertaining. I love watching like his mom wrote a book. Go go read her book. Like she she it's apparently a very good book. I have yet to grab it. I will probably eventually grab it um to read it, uh, just in support of Market Player, Marketplayer's mom who loves her son very much. It's very nice seeing all the dove. Um and support, like she posts. I love I love it. So I follow her on um uh Instagram and she'll she's been posting like pictures with Mark's fans at Iron Lung. She like goes every day to go see it, and I'm like, his mom is great.

SPEAKER_00 54:27

That's a good mom.

SPEAKER_03 54:29

Yeah, she uh then she wrote a book about like about her son, and you know what? Hell, do it, do it up. I'm I'm I'm excited. Like, I will eventually probably read it. I will get there. I got a lot of it eventually, but I will get there. Um there it there's just like a lot, like it's it's nice to see an indie film shake up the um Hollywood uh expectations because like I just seeing after all of this, like the aftermath of all of this, and prior to this just exciting watching marketplace do stuff and whatnot, and then the aftermath that he's caused on the uh like they're they're so mad, like they they don't want to give him Grammys, like there's stuff like the movie stuff that just he should technically get Grammys for because he's made like milestones or like hit number one. Like technically, he should be up for a Grammy nomination.

SPEAKER_00 55:33

Um Grammy's music Oscars are what you're looking for.

Series Potential And Amazon Speculation

SPEAKER_03 55:36

Um, like he should be up for stuff, uh, but because he's an indie film, they're just like, no, he's an indie film, he's they're so mad about it. I just I love watching people get so upset when like um it's not like their norm, and it's exciting because I think this is gonna open up a big way for um indie films to come back because I'm indie horror again was a big thing like early 90s or late 90s, early 2000s, like even like 2010s. There's some indie films that like come in, and they're really fun. And I want to get like I want them to like get attention. Like, there's this one I I'm pretty positive, it was a uh college horror film, like it the production value wasn't great, there wasn't a lot in it, but it is like one of the best videos I've ever seen, and it's called Killer Pinata. Um, and I want to see indie films like this again, and I think Market Player really paved a path for indie films to come back, and I'm excited to see uh the big hole in the wall that he made, who's gonna walk out of it, because there's like people are getting inspired, which is great. Like, I have um a lot of like people that are saying that they're inspired now, they want to go do stuff. So he inspired a lot of people with this film. He um like he just made a lot of milestones for indie movies. Um, people need to understand though, he did have a base prior to this, so like it it's not like he started clean. Um and uh, but even then, like with or without that, like he still made a lot of milestones. Um and I'm I'm ex I'm excited to see for one what he's gonna do next. I know he just uh he's probably gonna like talk about something like eventually, once like all the um stuff because I know he's been talking about um blood drives a lot, which is so cool. Like, how cool is that? Like a movie about blood, and now because we're going into a blood crisis, he's just like, let's do a blood drive for the movie and donate blood. So now there's a bunch of blood drives, which is so cool. Like, that's so cool. Marketing perfect, perfect marketing.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

Uh speaking of marketing, I remember seeing uh on oh gosh, I think it I think it was TikTok, maybe it was Instagram, uh, one movie theater did like a full uh a full stand from the inside of the SM13, including the porthole with the console, and I thought that was amazing. Whoever made that needs a raise, needs 12 raises.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

I I watched uh a TikTok of them making it, but I I then like I didn't see anything else, and then I finally saw the final one like a couple like a couple days ago, and it looks great. I also love like um this is backtracking a lot, but how accurate the inside of the iron lung is to the actual like game. Like if the game were to like um instead of being like push buttons, like go up, go down and whatnot, it was like uh turning wheels, thing whatever whatever valves and such. Yeah, there we go. Um but otherwise it's relatively identical, and I love that. Um take notes, big corporations. Like if you want to make movies about the games, keep that shit accurate.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

Um one thing I I will say that that seemed uh it it's a nitpicky thing. Um I just thought it was funny was uh the keyboard that the console used in the back.

SPEAKER_04 59:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:55

Uh you you could just tell it was just a modern keyboard shoved into a platform.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

And I love that. Yo, as a class flyer, like seeing all this stuff, I know how they make everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:08

And it's it's when you're on a budget, you're on a budget. Like three million sounds like a lot, but when you're talking about a full film motion picture from start to finish, three million is nothing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:26

Um, and you were saying about him having a platform and such, like, don't get me wrong, and I I mean this to no affront to Mark whatsoever. He is very privileged is the wrong word, but his start for making the film lucky offered him a lot of privilege in leeway that he had to produce it. Yes, and produce it off of himself. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean that privilege as in he didn't work for what he earned because he did with his YouTube channel. Like he he made all of this possible, yeah, plausible, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

And like uh that's I agree like a hundred percent with that. Like, there this is like nothing against him, like he deserves every bit that he's gotten because he's worked extremely hard for everything. Um, and you can see he's very thankful in all of his videos. Like when he starts crying, it breaks my heart. Um, just like, oh, you deserve.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:27

I saw uh the the live he did that was like I think he only titled it like Town Hall Meeting or something, uh, or we have to meet now, or something like that. And he was just on there and he read like one of the early reviews from a reviewer he like values the input of he was just oh he was he was about to break down and ball the entire like hour and a half long line.

Production Strain, Blood Tech, And Safety

SPEAKER_03 1:01:51

When he like he's all like his film was sold out in his hometown too, and like everything. Oh, you can see like he isn't just doing this for the view, he's doing this because he loves it, and that's what I appreciate most of like a content creator. But like again, like he is very lucky, like he pretty much didn't have to pay for any marketing, really, or like very miniscal marketing because he has that big platform um to just be able to, hey, go see my movie, and like not just his platform, his friends who have millions of followers, uh, also spoke about it. So, like um PR didn't have to really pay too much, which people, I mean, like most of like their yeah, maybe a movie was 20 million to make, but then they put another 10 million to send the cast around and like do all that, like um like stuff. Yeah, so like uh he definitely got to save money in that aspect. Um, but he deserved like he still deserves it, not diminish, like you said, not to diminish anything, like he worked absolutely hard for it and got where he um got because like he worked hard and like put tears, blood, and sweat into everything. Um so like it's it's just it's exciting. It's exciting seeing somebody that you admire and look up to do something like that, especially when it's something you like want to do, like maybe not make movies. I probably wouldn't be great at making movies. Um, but I would want an act, like I like acting or even voice acting, so it's fun, like it's very inspiring to see that, and it's just like and it got me to start doing like my YouTube stuff again because I enjoy it. So um that's one thing I here's the kick in the ass. Yeah, I I really hope, like, I mean, I'm sure he does realize um the impact that he um has, like, I'm sure he does realize it, but I really hope Mark um realizes the impact that he has made with this movie and his fans and the amount of people that are so inspired to do things again and get back to things and do what they want to do because of him. So I I really I really hope he knows that. Like I'm sure, I'm sure he does. But Mark, if you ever see this, you are inspiring. And thank you for doing this stuff because it just you really like well, you made it possible. You deserve everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:32

You opened doors, you went in and came out on the other side with a lot of blood, the exact epitome of what a passion project should evolve to be.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

And people saw it and the passion you had for it, and that was the important thing, and they jumped at the opportunity to go and see it and support, and it isn't even just a passion project in how it evolved, it is a high quality, positive and entertaining outcome in the sense of like all you set out to do, it ticks all the boxes.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:25

And I know he had mentioned like all of those things, like the small imperfections that he sees more than anyone else uh as someone in a creation space. It you always see it, and it's always disheartening. So putting all of that work in, it must be so anxiety inducing to go through all of that just to be uncertain on the other side. And I'm so glad he's getting the positive recognition that he is getting to make him feel like it's worth it. Because it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

Yeah. Yeah. It's worth and I mean he's seeing that with like oh gosh, excuse me, I'm so burpy. I'm so sorry. Um he's getting that especially from It's just the Benz from the submarine. It'd be like that sometimes. Um he's getting um quali I I forget the term on uh Rotten Tomato, like qualified hit or like number like it he's got like yeah, some kind of like hit thing on his um on his title. 90% from the audience review. The critic review is like 50%, but that's because they don't know what they're watching because it's just like it turns back to what I was saying, like all these like critics, like they all like are like slow pace, slow pace. A lot of them mention how slow it is, and it's just like but that's the point. So and like also I think they're just salty that a YouTuber did it, and um, unfortunately, there is a lot of um bad blood with um some YouTubers, and like so people are just like, oh, it's just like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

Exactly 80,000 gallons of it. No. Um but no, it is it is one of those, like like like I had said earlier, it is uh one of the downsides, but that's it's the downside that comes with that entire genre, like it it just is what it is. And you were saying about how there's a lot of fast-paced, jump scare, keep attention style movies that are the popular thing right now. So critics are going to look for what what they're expecting.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:42

Yeah.

Silence As Dread And Genre Expectations

SPEAKER_00 1:07:43

And so if they if they go into a Chinese restaurant and order chicken parmesan, they're gonna be disappointed regardless. Yeah. So that's that's just is what it is. You know what I mean? It's it's one of those situations of don't get me wrong, a lot of reviewers have pointed out some like flaws and issues with it, and their valid concerns and valid opinions and observations about it. But when it comes to the sort of the the industry observation as a whole, I don't put as much of a bearing on it as I do the response from the audience. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:32

Yeah. So I definitely like there's a lot of times where I'll watch a movie and um like I'll go into I I get so mad at John about this. Because like I'll get John to like try to watch a movie and he'll look up the reviews and he'll see the bad reviews, and I'm like, oh my god, those are critic reviews. Like, critic reviews are horrible. Like half the time when you actually watch the movie, it's a good movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:59

So um here's the thing as someone who loves bad movies, because he here's like you can enjoy something massively and it not be something that will win a ton of awards because enjoyment and quality don't always go hand in hand. We all have these aspects we enjoy. I I this is my one example that I give to anyone. Uh I like kitschy old horror movies, such as one of my favorites is Killer Clowns or Mounter Space.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:52

Such a classic.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:55

The practical effects, some of them are great, some of them are just fucking what am I looking at right now? Some of the the sort of suspense and horror is it just feels laughable. But I will enjoy that view every single time.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:15

Like and it's one of those situations of you can look at critic reviews, but if you're looking for someone else to and I hate to say this on a podcast where we're talking about a movie for other people to listen to us talk about a movie, uh if you listen to someone else describe everything that is wrong and right with a movie before forming your own opinion to the movie, you've already lost.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:46

And that's one thing, like we always say at the end of our um like whenever our outro, like we do our outro, we tell people go watch the movie and make an opinion for yourself. And that's one thing like I always like that me, Cass, and Justin will watch because we all have have drastically different opinions on her own movies. And so like we have these like different views, like as we like, so you might agree with one of us, or like just go watch the movie, make the opinion. Um I mean, there was like one or two movies that were like, don't watch this, just don't watch this.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:19

Just just don't promise you.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:21

Like we're we're doing something for you, but um, like that that just goes into like one of those things of like even video games, like since we're like talking about like a gaming YouTuber, like in horror, like just because like maybe you'll watch like your favorite YouTuber not really maybe enjoy the game, but you will watch like a different YouTuber play the same game, thoroughly enjoy it, but go make like go play the game and make it yourself. Like, there's such a different um like when you're able to form the opinion, and then it like forms fun conversation topics because I love to talk about like I mean, obviously, I have a podcast where I love to talk about movies. So, like when somebody watched the same movie and then they have a different view, like I want to hear your view, like why did you think that? Like, what about that? Did you like? Like, um, like it also creates like a community, you're able to like connect with other people. So, like it's difficult to go spend money to see movies. I get it. Um, don't support pirates. I know this is pirated right now because I I've I've keep seeing people post it. Don't support the pirates, support Markiplier, go spend$12. Go on a Tuesday when it's six dollars. I know most theaters do this.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:37

Here's the thing: normally I would say uh if it's a big corporation, just straight up high-ho off to work you go, that's fine. Although that's dwarves, not pirates. You know what I mean? Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:50

I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:50

Uh but because this is an indie passion project, go support the original release.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:55

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:56

Uh fully it's it's like robbing from Walmart. Like if you do it from Walmart, I don't care. If you do it from a mom and pop shop, you're an asshole.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:04

It's exactly. Exactly. Um uh it's just don't exactly that. I can't like already like that's perfectly said.

Critics Versus Audience And Final Take

SPEAKER_00 1:13:14

Like um but yeah, I I fully support going in and experiencing the original release. Uh, or if they they do end up putting it on Blu-ray, I highly support uh going and checking out the Blu-ray because I imagine that that is going to be wonderful to see on a Blu-ray release. Um and I hope they drop merch soon because like like Markiplier specifically himself drops merch soon because I know that there are some people or some uh stores and such already jumping on the boat or on the bandwagon and doing, I know like Hot Topic has releases, but I don't think that Mark ever talked about doing any sort of like product release stuff, so yeah. I well which is its own kind of cringy situation, but he that's beside the point.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:09

He just wants to like give to people like the popcorn bucket. Let me tell you what, as somebody who collects popcorn buckets, um Did you print it? I don't have a 3D printer.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:19

Okay, I that's fair.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:21

I don't either, so and I went to go like buy it, because like you can buy it from Regal, but like Okay, um, I don't know how much Mark is actually getting from that, and I only because it's like 45 bucks, and if I wouldn't mind purchasing that if I knew some of that proceeds, because like obviously I know like it has to go for like product and like stuff like that. As long as I know some of it's going back to Mark, fine, I'll spend the 45. I don't really give a damn. Um, but if I don't know that it's actually going back to him, especially when he was just like, here guys, have a three 3D file. Because I saw him talking to um Bob and uh oh god, Wade. Wade, there we go. I do this so much to Wade, and I like Wade. I think Wade's very funny. Um but when he was talking to Bob Bob and Wade on their podcast about it, um, they were he was just like, look what we're kind of doing, and it's gonna be a free file for people. And then it was, which is really cool. I'm just really broke, and I have no space in my space.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:30

Fair, very fair. You you see the the clutter, it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:35

Yeah, nope, we don't want to sell it. I I I have some room back here somewhere that's currently being taken up by yeah, so like they are buy, like they are selling the bucket, but I just I can't convince myself to spend that unless I know some of it's going back to a markiplier. And um I I don't know that until he says something like, Yeah, go buy it there too. Like, he hasn't, I don't he has been saying like I'm sure he would have been like, guys, like maybe like don't like I'm sure he would have said something about it, so I don't know. Until I get actual confirmation, I'll just wait. And the only person I knew who had a 3D printer I don't talk to anymore, so I can't remember.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:25

I know that story. Yeah, anyway. Um goof scoob.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:32

But uh so it's also like cool that he like released that um like as a free file for people. So I'm sure somebody's gonna try to make money off it though. I'm sure somewhere on Etsy people are like, I'll pick this free. But like as long as I'm I don't know, I don't know. That's a whole nother topic. That's a whole nother topic.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:56

Because it's such a passion project, you gotta make sure that the passion's going the right way instead of just to line the pockets of people who are taking advantage of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:04

I I get it. Love though to see Mark um go to so being that I go to Comic Cons a lot too, I would love to see him go to a Comic-Con and like talk about like this film and stuff. Like, just like also like maybe a meet and greet again. I like I get it. He's got no time. I understand. It's yeah, like I I like coming from an adult life who's doing much less than him, um, and I still find it hard to find time. Um, yeah, I would love to like just to like be able to ask more questions. Fun fact, I actually did email him about an interview specifically on Iron Lung. Will that ever occur? No, because I'm it's not like I'm a big named podcast or anything, but like it's there, it's out in the universe. If you want to see him on this podcast, guys, comment. Comment Mark in the comments, Mark go on the podcast, go on this no-name con podcast. I promise it would just be about the movie. I just want to pick his brain about the movie. Like, I would love to just uh be able to have the opportunity, but hunk out at it.

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SPEAKER_00 1:18:20

Also, can I just say uh the foley for this movie? I know the sound design was muffled and some of the stuff wasn't balanced correctly uh at certain areas. The foley for this movie for some of the close shots that they did was so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:41

Oh, yeah. Everything was so good. Like the camera angles were great, everything had a purpose, and I love that. Like, like Mark's acting, phenomenal. Um like obviously, obviously, it's not like it was like Heath Ledger kind of like acting, like somebody who does this like as like a um rest in peace. Yeah, god. I love Heath Ledger, honestly, phenomenal actor. That's why I pinpointed him. He was the first name I could also think of off the top of my head. But um, like obviously he's not like gonna be as good as somebody who like does it as a like career and that's how they make his money, but he still did fantastic being like the sole viewpoint and acting, getting the emotion across, actually like getting the like grief across, like upset, like feeling like I just want out of here. Like he he did great. Like, I I think this was very successful, and I cannot wait to see more. Because I'm excited to see what Digital Passion Project he should make his own like Five Nights at Freddy's. Like, I understand they have their own like series right now, but like I would love to just see him because he did it get premiered in it.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:58

That's fair, that's fair. Uh unironically, I've never consumed any five nights at Freddy's product uh or entertainment at all. Like, no let's plays, no no playing any of the games.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:12

I want to play the game specifically because of Mark, but I've only ever thoroughly watched through one of his playthroughs of Five Nights at Freddy. He's quite so many.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:22

Very fair.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:23

Um, and it was just like the one where you're like friends with the Freddy bot, whatever the one that is. And then I don't know, I'll watch the funny highlights that like um like when it there was a button, like if you press the button, it was just like I know when your birthday is.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:38

And then oh, Poppy's playtime.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:40

Yeah, yeah. That one, that's the one I watched. I don't even think that's five nine years Freddy's.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:46

It's not, it's not, it's definitely not.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:49

Look, sometimes things just grow together. Um, but anyways, it's fine. I I think uh so originally I wanted to go into this for like 30 minutes, and I'm pretty sure it's been an hour.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:03

Uh let me let me uh let me uh hour and 21 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:07

Yeah, it's worth it though. Like honestly, um we'll we'll leave a heat, like we'll leave it at that. Like it's worth the watch. Go support like indie, like always support indie uh horror movies, big corporations. Uh that's fine. Pirate that, I don't care. I don't support that. I don't condone that. That's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

I'm not I'm gonna look the other way.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:29

We don't condone that.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

No, I'm just kidding. Yes, yes, we don't condone that.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:33

I'm I'm I'm seriously joking.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:36

Only do it in Minecraft. No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:39

Um, sorry, check out the film, make your own opinions of it. Um, I think you'd be able to still comment on this. Like, I don't do anything with my life, I'm here for comments. So um, we did have somebody like talking throughout the whole um thing too. Like, um, come back, go watch it, come back, talk to us about it. Uh, I don't know, go to Mark's videos and say, hey, this uh random small podcast, you should go talk about Iron Lung on. Because I want to pick a spray. I have I I sent him like the questionnaire too. That is just like it's it's clearly just about uh the movie. I ain't trying to trying to juke you. Um but make your own opinions on the movie, come back, talk on this video. Uh, this will be on our uh normal like ways to listen to it. If not tonight, by tomorrow. Uh this is definitely one of our longer episodes. If you stayed through this long, thank you for listening. Hit subscribe, follow. Go follow Jesse on his own channel, Jess of All Trades. Um, this is on my main channel right now, Cuddly Macaroon. Uh, just because I don't have the login to apartment theater, Cast does. So I I forgot it, okay? It's not even like I don't have it. I just literally forgot it. And it I'm probably the one that made the password. But this is on my main channel.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:03

I'm so proud of you.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:04

Ugh God, I'm doing so good for myself.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:06

You're doing so good, sweetie.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:10

Um, but I hope you guys enjoyed it. Thank you for sticking for a whole hour and 20 minutes. If you have, really appreciate you, and um get the fuck out. Yeah, by the way.