NFL, Spend Your 30 Pieces of Silver Wisely | HWLYP S5E30

Something seems off at the NFLPA.

After a controversial and opaque election, JC Tretter takes over as Executive Director—but not without backlash, internal criticism, and some very pointed language, including suggestions of betrayal for money… “30 pieces of silver.”

We dig into what happened, why it matters, and what it could mean for the future balance of power between players and the league.

Plus, Matt jumps in with a full breakdown of draft prospects you need to know heading into the next wave of NFL talent.

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SPEAKER_00 0:36

Hello and welcome to Hey, we like your pod. And we're gonna tell you why. Hi, it's Dawn here, and I'm joined as always by my touristic partner, Matt Ticket. Matt, I've missed you. It's been two whole weeks.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Yeah, this whole like every other week uh, you know, off-season cadence we have going is it's it's good and bad, right? It's good and bad, Dawn. Because the good thing is that if we were trying to like bring three prototypes every week during off-season like this, it'd be like, Well, this week Andy Herman did another really great podcast, you know, like every week it'd be like the same, like same small group of people. Um, so we get more of a chance to kind of gather more more diverse sources. Uh, but the bad side, Don, is then it's like I miss seeing you, you know, on every Thursday. So just happy to be here with you. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Same here. I'm doing okay. I I've been um watching some trials today. We got a ver okay, so since the last show, sorry, I have all of a sudden I'm gonna cough because of course I haven't coughed all day, but today now I have to cough. Okay, so um there was a trial that I was watching, and I don't think I mentioned it on our last show two weeks ago. Um, it was a really wacky one. Um, well, they're all kind of wacky because usually they involve murder, and you've got to be pretty wacky to be doing that kind of stuff. But um so that one finished up and it was one of those usually when I watch a trial, I watch the whole thing. And I but that one it took me, I wanna say four years to get to trial, which is not super uncommon when it's a complicated case. But that means I watched all of the hearings throughout the years, and so I saw all of the ups and downs and ins and outs, and you know, and I like that because you understand why certain things didn't come in that other people are like, well, what about this and what about that? Well, you didn't watch the hearing. So I just feel like I can appreciate it more. But this trial was in Utah, it was uh Utah versus excuse my tickle in my throat, uh Utah versus Corey Richens, and she was accused and found guilty of poisoning her husband with with street drugs, basically, but they call it poisoning in this in this state, and not only that, but she had the audacity to they had three little boys, and she had the audacity to write a children's book about grieving.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

What?

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Oh no, yeah, and she did some other just really outrageous things, and so not only has she been found guilty, and and it was like um I want to say three and a half or four week trial. It was not quick. It was a it was a good month, okay. So now she's facing 26 federal charges for financial crimes, fraud, and all kinds of other things. So she's just getting nailed. I mean, it's just and she you know, you never know whatever what a jury's gonna do because they're not watching every single hearing, they're not watching. In fact, you know, hopefully they're picking jurists who haven't seen all the pretrial publicity.

SPEAKER_03 4:13

Yeah, yeah, right away.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

So you just never know what they're gonna do. But it was a super long trial by average standards for sure, longer than average. Okay, and they came back in three hours. They got the case at like 2:30 or 3 30 in the afternoon. And the judge was like, Well, you know, you will come back at 4 30 unless you want to stay long, whatever the judge's instructions were. And so 4 3 30 came around, and it's like jury's still there. And I thought, oh my gosh, they're not gonna just keep the case and decide tonight, are they? And they sure did in three hours. And and there there were several charges, and so usually it takes that long just to get through the jury instructions and all the paperwork that juries have to do at check all the boxes and stuff. So it was just kind of crazy. And so, um, so since then I've been watching two other trials, one that came to trial within a year, and this is a weird one. This guy, this doctor in Hawaii, and his wife, who's a nuclear like physicist, like super brainiacs people, he is alleged to have tried to throw her off a cliff. They he took her hiking. What? Yeah, and and the allegations, she's like, he had syringes out, he was trying to jab me with drugs, and she survived. So that was thankfully, and that was one of the rare cases where the victim actually testifies. So that's been interesting, and it's just interesting because these people are so educated, and it's you know, like, how do they get into this situation? You know, we um and then there's one more really quick trial that was an important one out of the Boston area again, which was where Karen Reed was. It was a different jurisdiction, slight slightly down the road, but a very, very, very fishy circumstances where a police officer shot another police officer. But there were two totally different accounts of what happened, so both of them survived. And so both the police officer who got shot and the one who was accused of assault with a deadly weapon was her charge. It wasn't attempted murder. They tried to pin an attempted murder on her, and not even the grand jury would go for that. They're like, no, she wasn't anyway. Long story short, came back. Uh, it was a bench trial, meaning the judge decided it, and he gave her a not guilty today.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

Really?

SPEAKER_00 6:54

She got yes, and it was right if you saw the evidence and stuff. So it was he did the right thing. So it's it's nice to see when the the right thing happens, and it usually does. The jury system is pretty good, even bench trials are pretty good. Um, so yeah, so that's that. Hi, Iowa Joe, nice to see you. So that's been my time, my free time. I've been cleaning out my closets. I'm trying, my goal is to cut my wardrobe and shoes in half by the scissors or like throw away. Yeah, yeah, I'm way too much, and so at least in half. And uh yeah, I'm excited about that. I'm ready to purge.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

It'll feel very, I think, like freeing and like you're like you're lighter. I mean, that's what we felt like every time before we move to a new house, and you have to get rid of stuff as it's happening. You're like, oh, I can like like breathe easier. This is great. Crazy thing.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

I am so jazzed. I'm just so ready to do it. So yeah, so that's my life. What's been going on in your life? How's work? How's how's the thing?

SPEAKER_01 8:01

That's been sunshines and uh freaking rainbows lately, dog. It's been great because today was really nice out, and it's it's opening day for the Reds, for the Cincinnati Reds. And I, you know, I know that I know that it's not unique here that the city really gets excited about it, and there's a parade and it's all over the news and stuff. I know that happens a lot, a lot of uh you know, baseball cities, but man, I tell you, Cincinnatians are serious about the Reds, like they're they're about the Bengals, but they're serious about the Reds here, so yeah, it's it's a big it's like a holiday. Um, if this weren't part of most of the school districts' spring break week, because my kids are on spring break, for example, um, some districts would actually close today, so the kids could go down to like do the parade and maybe even go to the game and stuff like that. So, I mean it's a big deal, right? Yeah, and it was really nice today, it was like up in the 80s eventually, and the uh the local uh whippy dip place opened up this week. So we went and had some soft serve after dinner. I had a brownie Sunday, it was amazing. First time sitting outside eating some soft serves, you know, the season. So I just felt like like you know, very much spring early summer vibes today, and it was it was awesome. Works been great lately. Um, I've built some amazing spreadsheets I'd love to talk about sometime, you know, that I'm really, really proud of. And uh got to present some stuff to the provost of the university recently.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

I think that happens since our last yes, last day it was like that day, I think the week that we talked last.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Yes, yeah. So so that was really great, and we there's been some like good kind of things have come from that since then. So yeah, things are good, Don. I'm I'm real happy with that.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

I love it. We we had in between our last episode and this episode, we had kind of a long heat wave. Um uh it was too hot for my because it's only March, right? And it was like 75, 76, like 10 days in a row. So I was annoyed with that. It was just super hot.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Joe asks, wait, the local what? Yeah, I said whippy dip. Um, you know, soft serve. Uh, you could call them a uh creamy whip, they're known as well. I don't like that phrase as much. I think for obvious reasons, it sounds horrible. Um, yeah, it's soft surf place. There's there's like a ton of them around town, uh, or try like a thing of the past, but if if if nothing else, Cincinnati is a place that is littered with things of the past, for I think for better and for worse, frankly. So it's like just like like mom and pop places across the city that serve soft serve. It's a huge thing. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

It is called whip wimpy, whippy, whippy dip.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

That's just like there's a lot of like similar names like that for these kinds of places. Um, but you know, more generically, soft serve ice cream joints. And because they only open seasonally, that's the thing. They're open seasonally, they're not open during the winter because they don't have seating usually. It's like a stand. You walk up, you get your stuff, they might have picnic tables if you're lucky, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Oh, uh, okay, okay. Well, and also with that, hey Joe, it's nice to see you. So it's time for this week's superlatives.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

I did not know that was the end of your thought. I didn't know where you're going with that. Good to see you, Joe. So superlatives.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Always try to surprise you. I I um so I disagree because I think the off-season gives us a chance to look broadly at the NFL.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

It and it doesn't have to be Packers related, but even today, speaking of baseball, the Packers were out there supporting the brewer on open brewers on opening day. So there's just um there's a lot of overlap, and there's also a lot of overlap with the National Football League Players Association Union as well as the MLBPA. So that's uh I have a theme this week. It's gonna be a little ranty, but I I don't know if it's gonna be ranty or not. But I have a theme, so I would love for you to get us started. Um, and I'm just warning you guys ahead of time. I have a theme.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Well, if you'd like me to get started, I I shall. And I think probably as you need like breaks in your rant, that's where you need to have me come back in to uh to do another piece of positivity that's true for the listeners. So my first one is best new podcast. Oh, Don, have you heard this? This is so much fun. Um it's called the Random Packers Podcast. It's a it's a John Mearding side project, it's it's part of the powersweep.com, all that stuff. It's super fun because you know, one thing about Blue 58, John Mearding's like, you know, normal podcast is that he always tries to keep them as concise as possible. He wants things to be like you know, explained clearly, um, concisely, you know, and and you know, convincingly to some degree as well. And this is like distilling that even more, that ethos. He's like, I'm gonna do like a couple times a week, just uh like a four to five minute segment on a random packer. And there have been thousands of people who've played for the Packers, so he he I don't know how he selects them. I think he might have like a spreadsheet, just hits like a random button. I don't know what he does exactly, but the conceit on the show is like he spins the wheel of the wheel of cheese, and what's the random packer for this time? But it gives you this really interesting, like like the story of this person and their their life with the Packers and kind of the role they played. And um, it's just it's every single time. I mean, John's a good writer and and you know, researcher and and thinker, and uh and has a great voice too, for that matter. Um, and they're just so fascinating. Like he he can spin like like this essentially four-minute segment on like the most peripheral Packers player, he'll find a way to like make it interesting, and they they've been really cool. So you can you can you know take down a half dozen of them, you know, while you're making dinner because they're so short, and they're so fascinating. It's like you learn about all these little like you know, little pieces of of the Packers history because they'll be going through you know, on a long enough timeline, he'd do every single person ever played for the Packers. I don't think he'll get through all of them, you know. It's that's a long time to get to all those, but um, they are uh really a lot of fun. Uh Joe's asking, uh, did he start with Randall Woodfield? I don't remember who he started with actually at this point. I can go back and check it out. But um, yeah, it's just been that it was really fun to listen to and a really cool side project.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

That sounds really cool, like little sprinkles, like a sprinkly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Sprinkles, sprinkles of package history.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

I found a podcast this week that was called what was it called? I think it was called In the Commons. Okay, and they pull out comments around whatever topic. And I want to tell you something that's just genius. And they just talk about oh, this person said this and this, because don't you just like love once in a while getting lost in the comments of in fact, yes. Oh my gosh. Sometimes I'm just like, oh, I I need to live here. This is amazing. And these people are all saying the things that I didn't have the guts to say or the brains to say or whatever. But um, it's a really good podcast, and totally wasn't on my um, I'm always taking in a lot of content, but uh it not all of it is true crime or um or football. I have a lot of things that I follow. So and I go through and then and it's not always animal attacks, but those are fun too. So this week I have my theme is Shakespeare is alive and well in the NFL.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Okay, interesting theme.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Well, so it's it's kind of like a sub, so superlative-wise, it's most dramatic. And this is in midst of a big hot NFLPA mess. Okay, so a couple weeks ago, I think we talked about the vote that was gonna happen in San Diego for the next executive director and other positions, but the executive director was the most uh one that I was the most curious about. I think most people were, because somehow or another JC Treder ended up in the under the list of considerations. Uh it's supposedly 300 candidates down to 32 and then down to oh, JC Treader was in the top three. Oh, yeah. But it was all secretive because we don't want anyone to be, you know, yeah. Okay, just like the the Lloyd election was secretive. Anywho, so I'm going to say that I'm just gonna generally give Pablo Torres and Florio to a little bit of credit um for all of what I'm gonna say tonight. So the first quote is and it is very Shakespearean in my opinion, spend your 30 pieces of silver wisely. Do you know who said that?

SPEAKER_01 17:07

I don't.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Well, you is it a reference to like uh to Judas selling Jesus down?

SPEAKER_00 17:13

The traitor, yeah. Yeah, the betrayer for money, who ended up taking his own life after that, by the way. Um, it was said by Craig Jones. Do you know who Craig Jones is?

SPEAKER_01 17:24

I do not.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Okay. Well, this is so interesting because Craig Jones was the head of security for the uh NFL uh offices in Washington, DC for many years. And he was really good at his job and evidently highly respected, but he was also somebody who wasn't afraid to, as they say, speak truth to power. And he had a little bird's eye view of what was going on and weird body languages and weird habits that were developed, especially after Lloyd came on board a couple years ago. So he ultimately was told to stand down a couple of times and stop bothering people.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

Oh goodness.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

And then he ultimately uh was shown to the door. Um, he's 71 years old now. Um, I don't know if you know this or not, but after the Lloyd stepping down, it should have been a firing, and then Treder stepped down a little bit later, a couple days later, um the NFL started um offering anyone with more than seven years on the job severance packages.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Really?

SPEAKER_00 18:38

So they cleaned house.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Yeah, that's that's that's what that is, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Yes. Anyone over seven years and you know they uh you know they said they were doing it because uh of some remarks that Lloyd made uh at the Super Bowl, after the Super Bowl about, you know, leaning into technology and needing more people on board that had more skills that were like people couldn't learn those. I don't know. Anyway, they had an excuse for it, but um so I have two more. Um I just think the quotes and the conversation was so over just overwhelmingly interesting. If you're if you haven't heard any of it, look it up. Just go to Pablo Torres um Torres' YouTube channel or his Twitter or whatever you do. But so you might know, so Treder was elected to be the executive director for the NFLPA, which is what he wanted all along. And that's why he put Lloyd in place and they made a position for Treder to hold until he got elected. But then he stepped down with the whole debacle, and he said he didn't have anything left to give to the union, but there he is, back exactly where he wanted to be. And um so my questions are did Treder charge right back in the middle of the NFL players' union firestorm because he wants to be a hero and clean things up, or to become the monster that a lot of people think he is. So, does he have inside knowledge that clears all of them from the FBI probe? So, okay, it's safe, I can go back now, or is he in there making a last-ditch effort to bury the rest of the evidence that could ruin him and all of his friends? That's the those are my thoughts. So just remember he ushered Lloyd in. He he ushered in Jalen Reeves maiden. I don't know if you know about that. He's kind of remembered that he wrote, yeah, he's now the president. He wrote that statement. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

The statement that made them look all like everything's cool, guys. Look at it. It's it's all about war.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

He's not capable of writing that. I mean, I was like, oh gosh, okay, so and then the top cop who I just quoted, Craig Jones, uh head of security, said that everyone with more than seven years, like I said, was offered a package to leave, but he didn't take it until he was made an offer he couldn't refuse. So there's just so much intrigue going on here. Um, but that's kind of those are the questions I have when I when I um do my next superlatus. I'm just kind of laying the groundwork.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

All right. Laying the groundwork. I love that. Establishing the narrative. Yeah, it's it's it's it's so fascinating. I think Shakespearean is a good word for it, Don, because all the the intrigue and the the power, you know, uh the people trying to grab the power and take over, and yeah, the plots, the drama.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

There is so much, and and you know. And then you have to ask yourself by the way, my first question was who wrote that article for Jalen? Right. Um and I remembered, I had totally forgot about something as I re-watched and looked at some of these the because there's so much information out there. But Jalen Jalen Reeves Maben, a long name there, is basically, in my opinion, these are all my opinions, everyone. Um he's basically treaders, a puppy dog. Um there was another gentleman, what was his name? There was uh what was his name? What was his name? I forgot his name. I don't think I wrote down. There was another gentleman who was vying for that position. Um and and vastly qualified. And he was vastly qualified, especially in light of what Treder and Lloyd and everybody are selling here that the union needs to be more business oriented, right? And this I forgot the guy's name. Um it'll come to me, but uh, it's got a weird spelling, but he he was so much more vastly qualified for that exact thing. So the fact and I mean there's uh there's um reports of of um um Treder like the they give their presentation to the executive committee, right? And it was the executive community who put who put those guys in place, not the not the players group of 32 who put Treder, the executive director, in place. So it's it's all very complicated. But um he Treder came out and he would just like backstab this guy. He gave his presentation and he's like, no, no, no, no, no, you don't want him. I mean, he he definitely did not want this guy, and there's accounts of it, so that there's people on the record saying these things. I can't say that I heard him say that, but I'm saying that there are people that have said that. So there's just a whole lot of stuff going on, and so it makes me wonder okay, so are the players who probably have more money than than the average person, you know, to invest and you know, want to do things with their money and their wealth. Um, they actually have wealth to think about, like a lot of people don't. Um, are they are they into all of this? Are they buying it? Are they buying this? Are they in on this or are they being duped?

SPEAKER_03 24:44

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

That's that's my question. Because at this point, when Treder got elected, I'm like, okay, well, this is on the players, and it's sad because they might be in on it, but they might not realize that they could very well be selling out future athletes, their children, if they you know it's not gonna be the same for them. Yeah, so those are the questions I have. So many questions. Do you have questions, Matt?

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Who I mean, where to start is the thing. Um head, Don. I don't know. I like I really don't know where to start, but it's it's also people who want to stay in power will do anything they can to stay in power, they'll lie, they'll cheat, they'll do whatever, you know. If they if they don't take it as being a steward stewardship of a thing, but rather as being about them and and them having power, you know. I mean, you see that anywhere and everywhere. So, how much of what they're trying to like sell to us is real, you know. The the article about like, oh, the this is the process, let's just put all the conspiracy theories to the side. Here's what's actually going on. How much of that is true? How much of it is colored, how much of it is is you know, um, given to us like through a certain lens. Uh I I would love to know what the actual truth of the whole situation is because it doesn't look good for them, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

No, and that statement was so polished and so thorough. It was like this was written by a team of lawyers, and they did. Um, when this happened with Lloyd and Treder, um the NFLPA hired um a crisis management team, a team of legal fixers and PR people, exactly, and they're still there managing this whole thing. So, no doubt that was that statement came through them and probably went through at least 10 different you know drafts. Um, because it was I mean, I looked at that statement a few times. I was like, geez, you know no offense, Jalen, but he's not that talented. Um, now the other guy might have, you know, he was very polished and he he was he had a background in business and investments. I forgot the what I'll think of his name while you're watching your superlatives, but no offense, but I knew that wasn't written by any football player, no offense. But that had to be written by a team of lawyers and and PR people. Yeah. So it makes it so um so suspicious. And true north, hello says everyone goes on to stardom when they leave the Packers. Are we talking about stardom or are these people gonna be in prison? Because the FBI probe has not been um, as far as we know, it's still ongoing. And of course, the the um lawsuit the general counsel for the players associate union Heather McPhee, that$10 million lawsuit is still going forward. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

All right, should I throw it a superlative then, Don?

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Yeah, I was just trying to keep up with the comments, but I'm a little bit lost. Um, but that's fine. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

All right, yes, so my superlative is most helpful. So, you know, this is that that time of year where uh if you want to really engage with the content that's out there, it's gonna be draft, drafty draft, draft, draft, draft, draft. Um, and I'm starting to get into it. Um, you know, we uh some of our friends like Joe, of course, are way on top of it. Um, but one of the really helpful podcasts I listened to recently was um our friends Andrew Mertig and Kyle Fellows talking about what are the most likely, the 10 most likely selections at pick 52 for the Packers. And part of how I've been having a hard time getting into the draft this year is because we don't have a first-round pick. So it's like all of the like really flashy, you know, players that people are excited about, your top 50 were just outside of the top 50. Like, it's just like, well, I guess I can learn about all the people who are in that, like, you know, next tier or even third or fourth tier at that point. Um, it's just not as exciting, you know. So I've been like less motivated. So to have uh just a you know an episode of a podcast where they say, here's where we think the board's gonna be at. It's about it's impossible though for sure. So here are 10 potential players that the Packers might be interested in based on need, based on you know that the players fit with the team and stuff like that. Um, and of course, you know, Kyle and and um Andrew, uh there's some of the best out there for talking about Packers draft stuff. I mean draft stuff in general, but like especially focused with the Packers lens. Um, so it was a really handy episode. I really enjoyed it. Give me some names to actually like hold on to, think about, you know, and start to get into it through through that through that door.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

Yeah, it makes it more tangible. Yeah, yeah. And you always have to remember that's top 10 players, top 20, top 50 for sure. There are players that are expected to go higher that will slip down, yeah. And so it can be really, I think it's still gonna be exciting.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Um, it also be for a lot of fun, definitely. And yeah, I mean the excitement of the draft is its own thing unto itself, and I I just get so excited about just after it when we get to uh you know unwrap the the the packages on Christmas morning, you know, and kind of learn about these players, what they're gonna be. Yes, just as I gotta throw this one on the screen here. Jose says uh just wait until it comes to day two and the Packers trade out of the second round. Yeah, that would be uh torches and pitchforks all over uh you know Packers Nation. It'd be uh that'd be a rough Packers Twitter would self-explode, it'd be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Oh, I'm so glad I don't look at that anymore because that's just I remember when love was was drafted, and I was just like, Am I the only person who's kind of excited about this too?

SPEAKER_01 30:29

I was just confused when that happened. I didn't know what to make of it, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

Yeah, I was I was happy. Well, okay, so um along this same um, the reason I called it Shakespearean is because there were so many people dropping super great quotes, like the one from Craig Jones. And by the way, spend your 30 pieces of silver wisely. He actually wrote that in an email.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Oh, did he really?

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Yeah, to like everybody in the whole organization before he left. So to Treader. I mean Treader, meaning to treader. So here's another one. Guess who said this one? And and maybe you know where this is from, too. So two two guesses on this. I wish I was the monster you think I am.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Did Tredder say that?

SPEAKER_00 31:20

He did. He did.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

I don't know what the reference is though.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Okay, so and I'm not familiar with Game of Thrones, but I am now. Okay, so Tyrion. No, of that I am innocent. I am guilty of far more monstrous crime. I am guilty of being a dwarf. Tywin, you are not on trial for being a dwarf. Tyre Tyrion, I hope I'm saying that right. Oh, yes, I am. I've gone on, I've been on that trial for my my whole entire life. Tyrion. Nothing but this. I did not do it. Tyrion, I did not kill Joffrey, but I wish that I had. And that's when he said, I'm not the monster you think I have. But the thing is about that quote, because I had to do some research. He didn't just say that, but then if you follow it through the dialogue, he was saying that he would come back as that monster. And Treder came back. So did he come back as a monster? No, maybe that we thought he was or not. So I just was like, this is just this is wild that he made that quote and then came back.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Like, probably that one wasn't passed through the crisis management team.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Yeah. They probably said, Do you understand the subtext of what you're saying there, man?

SPEAKER_00 32:53

You did not just say that. Oh my god. Yeah, so that was kind of wild. I don't know if you remember that episode. I did not watch Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

I didn't watch Game of Thrones either, no.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Oh, oh, I feel so better.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

No, we're the only two people in America who didn't.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

So I one of my best friends is like, oh, you gotta watch Creative Thrones. And I was like, oh god. She did talk me into watching um something else that I watched later and I was very grateful for. It was um the one about the math teacher that became a method.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Oh, breaking bad. Yeah, breaking bad chemistry teacher, but yes, that shows excellent.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

Yes, yes. So I was like, this is great. I have not done, I don't think I can handle Game of Thrones, but it is kind of Shakespearean. So maybe I could yeah, absolutely. All right, Maddie. So that was kind of interesting. Did he come back as the monster? Because that was um he did one interview, I think it was with um I think he did a a written interview with CBS Sports. I think he went on with um what's his name? Uh Aaron Rogers girlfriend's dad. Ex-girlfriend.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Aaron Rodgers has a girlfriend? Does he have an imaginary wife? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

Danielle, what was her name? Danielle. She drove the cars.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Oh, you're talking about um Joel had in the chat, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

I do not know my race, my racing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

I don't know this guy at all, but he it's his her dad. He did an interview with him, and I think he either said it there or with another guy that I don't watch, the guy with the tank tops.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

Pat McAfee. Danica Patrick. Thanks. I knew Danica. That's that's that was the ex-girlfriend's.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

He did an interview with Dan Patrick with Pat McAvee and CBS Sports with in writing. So yes. Anywho, that's where he said it. I'm not sure which one of those he didn't do many interviews, and he's not done any interviews, by the way, since getting elected. Have you noticed? Not one, not even a statement. He had his his little friend there, Jalen Sorry, who didn't write the statement, issue a statement. That's that's not courage. Okay, what do you have next?

SPEAKER_01 35:16

Yeah, so my third superlative, and I do also have some side notes for for after you're all done. Okay, so like kind of not superlative's light, let's say, but anyhow, method actual superlative, best new series, so not new podcast, but because it's written stuff, best new series is you know how there are certain people in this world who are so good at like teaching us, right? And and we are we are blessed, if you will, that these people are out there and that they put the time and and have the joy to to to continue to try to make us all smarter just by sharing the thing they're enthusiastic about. Of course, I'm talking about Dusty Evely. Here's what I'm talking about because he has a Substack, Red Right Clamp, right? And um, he just recently started a new series called Football Primer. Uh, the first installment is out there, he's working on the second one. I actually was texting with him about it earlier today. So the first one was about um personnel and formations, and it's like, you know, I've I've tried to learn a lot about football over the years, and so a lot of the stuff I knew, but even then, there's things like little nuanced things. I was like, Oh, I didn't really quite grasp that before. I don't understand why that was that thing or why it's called that, or how this works exactly. No matter how much you know, you can still pick up stuff, you know what I'm saying? So that first one, Dusty is was trying to kind of lay the groundwork of a lot of things before he gets into more like advanced passing concepts kind of stuff, which of course is his jam, you know. So um, really good start to that series. I can't wait to see where he goes with it. And um, you know, it's it's it's really cool that there are so many people who do so many different like media, you know. Like uh Dusty does you know, podcasts and he writes and he does videos sometimes, you know. And like when when you have somebody out there who finds like this is something I want to convey, what's the right medium for it? I think it's cool when people can like figure that out and kind of find that best way to convey something. So uh this yeah, you know, stuff is really, I think, good in a written format because you can kind of refer back and kind of read over it again and stuff like that. Um and it's uh it's good stuff. Highly recommend. Check out Dusty's Substack, it's great.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

I saw the email notification come through, but I didn't have a chance to click on it. So now I'm really interested because I need a primer because I don't know anything about football.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

You know so much more than you think you do, Don. I know that you do.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

I love to say that, I just love saying it. I really don't though. I mean, I miss so much, I think.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Well, I mean, there's a lot to get, and and we're all always learning, but but you know more than you think you do, I'm sure. Um, do you have more trial stuff than to talk about?

SPEAKER_00 37:49

I have more um Shakespeare.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Go for it. Let her rip down.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

Okay, here's another quote. Oh, and here's the gentleman that um Jaden, the guy who can't write. Sorry, Jaden. Um, I'm sure he can't write that well. Nobody can. I can't write that well. It's not an instant.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

You're apologizing to him on this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 38:11

But it's like it's like the telling people you can't write, but I'm not saying you can't write. I'm saying it's too pol it's too. Oh, I gotcha. Anyway, okay. It was Kelvin Beachum, okay, who was the who was the dude who seemed more qualified. That JC Treder was like, nah, look away, look away. You want my guy Jaden, my puppy dog. So um, okay, so per Pablo Torres, he quoted a player, but he didn't say who it is. I'm guessing it was Calvin Beacham. Okay, but that's just a guess. It's just a guess. Um, and Kelvin, this player, excuse me, this player said JC Treder is more like Littlefinger. Also from the great Game of Thrones. So I had to look into that. So Treder is a different Game of Thrones character, Pertoris. A story we agreed. Okay, this is the conversation. I'm quoting in quotes here. I just lost my mic. I hope that wasn't really loud on your guys'.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

No, it sounds like you're crumbling uh bag of chips.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

Treder, okay, so here's a quote. So this is a conversation. This is um Littlefinger saying, a story we agree, and this is after the trial, I believe, after the previous quote, a story we agreed to tell each other over and over until we forget that it's a lie. But what do we have left once we abandon the lie? Chaos, a gaping pit waiting to swallow us all. And I believe it was Bran who replied chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

What'd you say? You're so dramatically cut off there. A ladder, a ladder, oh, a ladder.

SPEAKER_00 40:06

I know it's so profound. So, anyway, all this drama, all these quotes that people were thinking of when talking about the NFLP, and you don't want that, you don't want all that drama, right? But so again, so this is one of the inside people, most likely Calvin, Calvin, that he that he wasn't the character that said, um, whoever that was, who said, I wish I was the monster, Tyrion. I wish I was the monster you think I am. He's more like Littlefinger, who said he's basically lying and lying and lying until he believes all those lies are true, which is something that definitely happens in the criminal mind. And I see this in trial after trial after trial. It's just like there's a certain MO that you start seeing. It's like because even that trial I was telling you about Utah versus um Corey Richards, the one who poisoned her husband. Unfortunately, it was successful. I was I kept asking my friends that I was watching it with. I'm like, does she actually believe these lies, or does she is she just lying? Like, is she just comfortable lying to everyone, or has she been lying so much that she doesn't know anymore what the truth is?

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Could be some of that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Right. Anyway, enjoyed all of the dramatic references to characters, and there is one more, but we'll see if we get to it. What about you, Manny? What's your next one?

SPEAKER_01 41:38

You have a final so I have just uh some some side notes, things worth mentioning before we're before done today. Uh two things. One is that if you saw this, but Tyler Herrick, who does who has been doing the socials for Cheesa TV, which then also spills out into pack a day, and is amazing at it and was one of my favorite guests we ever had in the show because remember, we got him talking about his process and the tools he uses and the software and stuff like that. So fascinating. Well, he recently um finished up all his work to be a pilot, and he's gonna have a job as an actual airplane pilot, you know. Oh geez, really exciting, but also means he's not gonna do the socials anymore because he doesn't have like quite the time he would need to devote to that. So uh Nagler had put up like a thing saying, Hey, uh, we're looking for somebody new because Tyler's gonna go be uh you know an airplane flyer, so as they're called a pilot as a word for that, and uh so congratulations to Tyler. And you know, we're all gonna be that much poorer for not having his excellent digital content out there, but I'm excited for him. So that's one.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

The other I loved his work, so good, it's so ridiculously good.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Um, just insane. And then the second side note is just that oh, uh, one of my favorite podcasts. Speaking of Dusty Evely, watching stuff is coming back. Actually, they just had a new episode that came out today. This is Dusty and our friends Aaron Alice and Monty Moore, where they uh talk through like all the Marvel and Marvel related Marvel Peripheral. That's a hard word, hard phrase, Marvel Peripheral uh properties out there. And um, it's just it's just fun listening to them talk about that stuff. So they uh left off uh with one of the uh Venom movies, which they they none of them like the Venom movies, so like it's funny to hear them talk about something they don't like, but I feel like they're almost like forced into talking about. Um it's good content, it's good content. It's also good they talk about something they like, you know, of course. But um right, so I'm excited to listen to that. It's like the next thing in my in my podcast queue. I'm really glad they'll be making episodes again because that is a fun show to listen to.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

I kind of like people talking about things they don't like. I I've kind of gotten into this lately. Um one of my guilty pleasures, I guess, because I don't watch television, I don't watch many movies, I'm kind of selective about that, but um one of my latest guilty pleasures is British people and Australians. For some reason, they're into it too. Taking down British nobility, especially in light of the Epstein Fox.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:11

And I mean, they are going after them. And I just love it. I just think it's terrible, you know. But I it's a guilty pleasure. And I'm having so much fun with it. Especially the more educated they are and witty, you know, about it. And you know, that dry British humor. I mean, oh, it's it's like I say, it's a guilty pleasure. It's almost like they're watching murder happen in law. But it in my defense, they're not saying anything that isn't untrue. They're quoting from actual files and things like that. But yeah, I haven't I haven't minded watching some of that. So so I bet it would be fun to listen to to Dusty and Aaron and Monte not like something.

unknown 44:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:57

It is fun.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

That was my point. I would enjoy it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

Well, now what else do you have left? Because I'm I'm fresh out of stuff at this point.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

Yeah, there was one little bonus I had too, and it was um most of what I quoted was driven by uh Taurus. Um, but Florio popped in on one of them, and he I can't I think he was talking about Treader, also. Everybody's talking about he's not very well liked um among thinking people, at least. I don't know. Um, and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he's gonna be the hero. I don't know, but that'd be great. I doubt it, but it'd be great. So got Florio popped in with um a George Costanza quote Everybody's talk, everybody's talking at me. I can't hear a word they're saying, just driving around in John Voigt's car. Do you remember that episode?

unknown 45:50

No.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

That's a great quote though.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

It was when George bought, I don't know, it's like an impala or something. It wasn't anything, it was just like a car, and it had John Voigt's name on the title. So he thought he bought John Voigt, the actor's car.

SPEAKER_03 46:12

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

And so they, you know, did a little bit of searching, and it ended up being like John Voigt, the podiatrist or something. Yeah, it was like the whole episode.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

In other words, you can just tell yourself something and not listen to anybody. And he's just like, I'm telling you, yeah. So there was just a lot of really fun quotes and symbolism and and um that I had just noticed as a trend in speaking about this. And I think at this point, for me at least, that's how I have to to deal with it because I was immensely well, remember what I said two weeks ago at the end of our last podcast was if if Treder gets elected to this position, things are probably way worse at the NFL than I thought they were. About and it's come to that. It's come to that. There's gonna be 18 games, there's gonna be injuries. I I hope they can figure out a workaround for that, like a B team, A team, B team, you know, something like that. But um I just worry about um, you know, just the future, the health of the sport and future players, because it's it's it's hard enough as it is when when you're managing that knowingly. But yeah, a lot of these guys are gonna be in and out and they're gonna be leaving this for some another generation to deal with. And I can understand why the players like aren't like the players' union isn't first and foremost in their mind. And I think I can also understand why that's how this happened. Um, and the money involved that is being misdirected potentially is in the billions of dollars. We're not talking about a couple million, but yeah, we're talking the B. So there's a lot of um motivation for people who are criminal minded, you know, or not altruistic at all to be doing, yeah. So anyway, I was very disappointed. Um, and I not to say that we know anything that Treder did for sure was wrong, but there sure are a lot of signals that something isn't right with him, and maybe he's not, but even so, it just looks so bad.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 48:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:50

Yeah, doesn't look good.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

Oh, Maddie. Well, let's wrap her up and bring her home. By the way, speaking of Andrew Mertig, you mentioned him earlier. He'll be with us on our next episode in two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 49:01

Oh boy, mark your calendars, folks. Two weeks. Andrew on the show, it'd be great.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

Definitely want to talk about the draft. Oh my gosh, I'm getting ready. I'm getting ready.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

Yeah, some trials wrap up so I can put some some of your focus into some draft content.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

I'll never wrap up. There's another one coming up um here in San Diego. That's going to be a six-week trial, and I actually plan to attend I'm actually covered the whole preliminary hearing. I won't broadcast the trial or anything like that, but there's always a trial going on. It's very few days, very few days when it's like, oh gosh, I've got a week where I don't have to watch a trial and catch up on things. But I it to my it I most of my friends are like watching it. Like, did you see that body language? I'm like, no, I don't have time to watch it. I'm listening while I'm doing other things. So I do miss a lot of things for that reason. But yeah, the one coming up here in San Diego is close to my heart, and that one's gonna be six weeks. It starts May 11th. So that one's coming up.

SPEAKER_03 50:12

Get excited.

SPEAKER_00 50:13

Yeah, yeah. To have it over with for the family.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

Yeah, it's a tr it's a tough, tough one. Okay, Maddie. Well, let's let's bring her home. Let's say goodnight to our chat. Booyah.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

I was gonna say, speak speaking of the chat, uh, you know, we were talking about draft content being out there right now. Uh, I do want to give a shout out to Joe. Um, he he and Mike Kowano have Ohana Packers Edition their podcast. They've been breaking down different uh positions in the draft. Yeah, it's been awesome. So uh make sure you're checking that out, folks. They're doing great work over there. And uh soon we have Dan Brugler's the Beast coming out through the Athletic. I'm excited about for that today. I'm not sure exactly what the release date is, but I'm sure it's coming up really soon because we're just a month away from the draft at this point. Must be soon. Um, yeah, there's a lot of great people doing great work out there. Oh, and they're gonna have oh Dan Codick will be on the show this week. They had Sarah Kelleher last week. Um, some fantastic guests, but there's some great people.

SPEAKER_00 51:07

So I have to catch up on all that. I've just yeah, I didn't realize I was gonna watch two trials this week. They just kind of came all of a sudden.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

Make sure you check this stuff out, folks. All right, Don, here we go. I'm gonna bring her home, okay?

SPEAKER_00 51:21

Oh, let's bring her home.

SPEAKER_01 51:23

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