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Ep. 116 | Bold Faith + Performative Christianity

The Orchard Community Church Episode 116

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Welcome to a special episode of Let's Talk About That! Today's podcast was recorded on site at Bold 2026, and we are excited to introduce you to the stars of today's show: Erin's small group girls. Listen in as they share what Bold is all about, tell their favorite memories from their years at the student ministry retreat, and dive into the idea of performative Christianity, one of the topics of the weekend. Let's jump in!

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SPEAKER_11

We should just have the mindset of not looking at ourselves and kind of wanting to do things for the right reasons. And one of my favorite things that I wrote down was the danger isn't looking fake, but it's staying fake so long that you never learn how to be real with God and just stressing that importance of not only doing the bare minimum, not doing performative Christianity, but curing it through our private worship and not being so attracted to our image in the public.

SPEAKER_14

What we give our attention to is kind of like what we become, I guess, in a way.

SPEAKER_02

All of us have gone through like similar things, but also different. We could bond over different things and help people that have already gone through the same situation as us keep their eyes on Jesus.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome to Let's Talk About That, the podcast where we deep dive into Sunday's message and explore your questions. I'm your host, Aston Kank, and I'm excited to share this journey with you. Whether you're a longtime member of the Orchard or a first-time visitor, Let's Talk About That is your space to explore, reflect, and connect. Join us as we navigate the intricacies of faith, spirituality, and daily life, seeking to understand how the wisdom shared on Sundays can be applied to our modern challenges. So grab a cup of coffee, find a comfortable space, and let's dive in together. This is Let's Talk About That, where the conversation about Sunday's message never stops.

SPEAKER_08

All right, welcome back to Let's Talk About That. I am filling in for Miss Aston, our host, because we are on location at Bold. This is the, I guess, second annual bold cast. I got Pastor Eddie here with me.

SPEAKER_07

Yes, I I much prefer the time of this one than last year.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, last year we recorded this one at about 11. 11? Was it midnight? I don't remember. It was really late last night. Actually, I think we have one of the ladies at least who recorded with us last year here for this podcast today. But uh, I'm gonna let the small group leader of this group sitting around our table introduce them. We have the, I guess, regular podcast guest by now, Miss Aaron Schrott here. The occasional podcast guest. How many podcasts have you been on? I don't even know. Like more or less than four. I would say at least four. Yeah. Yeah. At least four. Four's a good over under. So Aaron is here because we have sitting around the table her small group. Because not only is Aaron the one who keeps the buildings at the orchard from burning down and make sure we all get our paychecks, she is a small group leader for a small group in Brantford. So, Aaron, why don't you tell us a little bit about your small group? Who who are these young people sitting around the table right here?

SPEAKER_09

Hey, yeah. So my yeah, as Chip said, I'm Aaron. I lead the junior and senior high school girls in Brainford and and one sophomore over there. She she's she's snuck in on us. But that's cool. We yeah, we meet every Wednesday. I've been with some of these girls since they were middle schoolers, like sixth graders. Um the goal is we're gonna we're gonna get them graduated next year. So that'll be cool. I'll have been with them for the majority of their middle school and high school years. So I feel like honestly, they're children at this point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

How many gray hairs have they added to your head?

SPEAKER_09

Maybe a few. Maybe a few. I'm not gonna lie. It's pretty interesting sometimes.

SPEAKER_08

So it's gotta be interesting because you know, you are like Leanne and I in the sense that you only got boys.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, I'm a boy mom article.

SPEAKER_08

And this is a girl small group.

SPEAKER_09

And yeah, I think one of you guys, a couple weeks ago, we were leaving on a Wednesday night, and they were like, Miss Aaron, do you feel like you have like 10 daughters? And I was like, Yeah, some days. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_08

Well, that is uh that's fantastic. So we're excited to have these ladies around the table and just get to hear from them a little bit. So why don't we start out with this? Just kind of tell me about bold. Like, what do you think about bold? Some of you, it's your first year not looking at anyone in particular, Rayleigh, but it's the first year for some people, and some people have been here since before it was bold, not looking at the young lady who's sitting next to Rayleigh. So any of you hop in, introduce yourself, tell it tell us about bold.

SPEAKER_13

Hi guys, my name is Brianna Vars, and I'm a junior at Brantford.

SPEAKER_08

Are you certain of that?

SPEAKER_13

Maybe. Okay, you should depends. Depends if um who's asking. Anyways. So whenever I think of bold, I mean, I'm kind of like unk status now, I guess.

SPEAKER_08

This is Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not sure that anyone listening to this outside of sitting around those tables knows what unk status means. Okay. And some sitting around the table.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_13

Well, basically, the definition is like old.

SPEAKER_08

Like I I've been around for a few.

SPEAKER_13

This isn't my first rodeo, basically.

SPEAKER_08

Like fair.

SPEAKER_13

I've been here a few years.

SPEAKER_08

Would you consider me an unk, Brianna?

SPEAKER_13

Just because I don't want to yes. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_08

Oh my gosh. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead. I meant no.

SPEAKER_13

I meant no. Yeah, I bet you did.

SPEAKER_08

Tell us about bold. Tell us about bold. You've been already how many years have you been at bold?

SPEAKER_13

Well, this is the third year, but technically the first year was D Nell.

SPEAKER_08

Oh, all right.

SPEAKER_13

I still remember D Nell.

SPEAKER_08

Hey, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_13

Okay. Well, whenever I think of bold, I think of like fun times with friends, being out by the water is always nice. But spiritually, I think it's like a really rejuvenating little retreat, I guess. People talk about like um I don't know what the word is.

SPEAKER_08

Jesus.

SPEAKER_13

Yeah. No, whatever. I don't know what like retreat, I guess, would be the word. Okay. But I think it's really like community. Because these are the girls that I see every day. But we get to come out here and we really get to like dive deeper into God's word and live deeper into what it really means to be bold and how we apply that whenever we go back to our daily lives. Cause I feel like people often associate bold with church camp or like they compare and contrast bold and church camp being the same thing. But I really think that bold is more of like a how do you apply this to your daily life rather than church camp being like, oh, this one big experience. Okay. Whatever.

SPEAKER_08

I like it. Do you have like a you've been at bold for three years and D now before bold? What what's your favorite memory?

SPEAKER_13

My favorite memory would have to be the very first year, me and Ashley actually. Me, Ashley, and Ella really. I had some stuff going on. It was kind of like wishy-washy, kind of like lukewarm. At bold, I had this crazy encounter. I don't even know. I couldn't even tell you. It was just really refreshing and stuff. That's probably my best memory. Literally, just being so free, being released of all the stuff, like the chains and whatever. Like had a really great encounter that year. I feel like that's really been my foundation that I've for the past three years have been building my relationship with Christ off of that. That's my best memory.

SPEAKER_08

That's great. That's a great answer, Unc. Good job. Thanks. Now it's uh who wants to go next?

SPEAKER_14

Hey, this is Rylan Rausch. I'm also status. Um, yeah, I was saying I'm an Unk as well, I'm a senior. And I was back in the D now days too when it was called D now. For me, bold, I always use the phrase, it kind of like fuels my fire a little bit, I think. The fire for the Holy Spirit. I feel like every time I come to bold, I leave feeling a little bit more encouraged and a little bit more just like Brie kind of said, refreshed and renewed. And I think for me, it started from the foundation from D now. It was my first time like really getting into leading worship. I've been doing that since I was like 14, 15, I think. Was that your first time doing it? That was right after I started leading worship. I'd only been leading worship for a couple months at that point. And I remember getting to lead worship in front of my peers and thinking about how encouraging it is to feel that community, like Bree said, of everybody being on fire for the Holy Spirit. And that kind of set the foundation that every year I come to bold, I'm like, I get to be on fire with my peers and worship on fire with my peers. And there's like no shame in that. I can just worship freely, I feel like here.

SPEAKER_08

That's good. You have a favorite memory?

SPEAKER_14

Worship for sure. Everyone knows my answer is always worship.

SPEAKER_08

All right. How about this? How about somebody who hasn't been here for three years? Tell us about what you're thinking with bold.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, yeah. So hi, my name is Rayleigh Bredo. I'm the sophomore of the group.

SPEAKER_08

Wow, you didn't have to ouch yourself like that. What's the opposite of Ankh? Sophomore. Well done. Well done. Pastor Eddie coming up clutch.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so I've enjoyed Bold so far. We've had the other D now's that I've been to, but Bold's honestly stood out just because I have such a good group of friends here. I've just really connected with this group ever since moving back. And it's just been really nice to worship together. And like these are the people that I see in my daily life at school and youth on Wednesday nights and church on Sundays. So it's just really good to like see everybody get together and worship freely and just feel good about themselves. Pastor Chip said have that little energy drink in the middle of winter as we're going on, about to finish up the school year and just finish up on fire for Jesus.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, so so you guys have all mentioned, hey, these are the people I go to school with. Is that easier or harder? Because when it's people you go to school with, sometimes they also not just your friends and that you're they're their friends, but they know the other stuff you got going on, and they've seen you when you've blown it, and they've heard the rumors, and yet now you're at this place with them. So it is is it easier or harder, you think, to be with your friends in a place like this?

SPEAKER_02

Hi, I'm Sophia McCall. I'm a senior. I'd say probably easier because then we can all be real with each other. We all basically know everyone's problems because we all talk and like to yap and we can't keep our mouths shut.

SPEAKER_00

Like to yap.

SPEAKER_02

But I think it's just easier because then we can connect with each other and like a base all of us have gone through like similar things, but also difference. We can bond over different things and help people that have already gone through the same situation as us keep their eyes on Jesus and like help them go through the things.

SPEAKER_07

So that brings an interesting question to me. Is I I I would be interested to know. So does this does this carry over into accountability when you get back to school? I mean, you know, it's it's cool to be here at by the river and we're all in a spiritual environment, but then do you hold each other accountable a little bit when you get back to school? Just curious.

SPEAKER_02

Well, honestly, I don't see all of them at school because a lot of them are dull enrollment, but I think we should.

SPEAKER_08

I thought you were calling out for skipping each other. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02

No, I'm not smart like them. But guys, yeah, I mean, I think we definitely should keep each other accountable because we do see each other every Wednesday night. If we could just keep each other accountable, make sure like everyone's good. But yeah.

SPEAKER_08

Alright. Anyone else have thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_13

Yeah, it's Bri again. Um, I think that because I do see these girls every day. I think that we do keep each other accountable. Like I would say, if I'm talking about like certain situations or I'm trying to get advice, I don't really know what to do, they will definitely keep me accountable. Well, what do you think the Holy Spirit is leading you into? Have you prayed about it? You literally just talked about wanting to do this or do this, and it's they definitely do keep me accountable in the sense of don't go off what your worldly worldly feelings are, go off what you think Jesus would say to you if he was here. I think they definitely keep me countable.

SPEAKER_07

I think that's really good because I think that is one of the values of a group like this, right? Is that you you do know each other and you do you can be real with each other, but you also can say, hey, wait a minute, have you thought that through? You know, I you know, I'm not meaning in a judging way, but in a in a helpful way. Are you sure that's the right direction to move in? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

I like that. I like that. So, how about this? We have had two of our three sessions at bold so far. You guys, anybody want to take a shot at helping everybody listening kind of catch up what we've been talking about at Bold so far? As everybody pulls their notes. I'm a big fan of notebooks. I'm a big fan of notebooks. The older you get, if you don't write it down, you don't remember it. So I'm here for it. Who wants to who wants to catch us up?

SPEAKER_11

I'll catch us up a little bit on last night's. Um, my name's Ashley. I am a junior. Ashley Combin, I'm a junior at Brantford. So last night's was actually really amazing. I think that a lot of people really felt the spirit of God in the room. And I just literally felt the spirit so heavy during worship and during the message. I think what's amazing about that is when you feel the spirit of the Lord so thick in the room, it's like time disappears. It felt like we could have just kept worshiping for like 15, 20 more minutes because everybody was so on fire. Pastor Chip had a really, really good message. I feel like it really hit everybody on performative Christianity and kind of just our mindset and how we should just have the mindset of not looking at ourselves and kind of wanting to do things for the right reasons and prioritizing private ways.

SPEAKER_07

So hold on a minute, Ashley. Can you expand a little bit on performative Christianity? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_11

So performative Christianity is faith for others to see and where we basically try to look closer to God. So that could be either, you know, raising your hands because you want to appear like you are, you know, really on fire for the Holy Spirit, or you want to appear like you look one way, but it's where you're not actually being, I feel like, rooted deeply or having a good foundation, in my opinion. And so he talked really about one of my favorite things that I wrote down was the danger isn't looking fake, but it's staying fake so long that you never learn how to be real with God and just stressing that importance of not only doing the bare minimum, not doing performative Christianity, but curing it through our private worship and not being so attracted to our image in the public. And I think it really touched a lot of our lives. We had a really, really long, really, really good small group, which we tend to always have. We like to talk a lot. But yes, it was really good. Also, I'm gonna say this because it was my favorite thing that Chip said the whole night. Y'all are dumb. That one was a good one. He did say y'all are dumb. He did say y'all are dumb.

SPEAKER_10

Yes.

SPEAKER_07

Show me the lies. And what I noticed is nobody disagreed. No, everybody said yes. Everybody said Jesus.

SPEAKER_11

Yes. Um, but it was my lowest point with Jesus is sweeter than my highest point with the crowd, and that our relationship is basically always a roller coaster if we allow our relationship with Jesus to be set by ourselves because our emotions are a roller coaster, and sometimes we feel really on fire for God, and sometimes we feel like really God is really far away even though he's not. So that was last night's.

SPEAKER_08

So, how about this? Do you do do you guys ever catch yourself in that performative Christianity mode? All right, I I see I see heads nodding. Talk to my microphone. Where do you see, like, where where do you find yourself falling into that without even meaning it?

SPEAKER_13

Not to yap too much, but you go. I talked about I talked about this last night in our small group because that was kind of one of the questions. Where do you tend to like fall into the performative Christianity category? I guess. And being a teenager is hard. I'm sure everybody knows that.

SPEAKER_08

And I think Eddie and I can remember back then.

SPEAKER_13

It's not the easiest, especially whenever I'm kind of a people pleaser and I have I have a very diverse group of friends. Like I had said, I said this last night, but I have worldly friends that don't really follow Jesus very closely, and then I have this group, Christ-like friends, and I feel like I try to be performative in both ways. I try to be performative to this group of girls that are like really trying to keep me in check with my relationship with Christ, and I try to be almost like smarter in a sense. I try to talk more like Jesus, or I try to walk more like Jesus. But then if I get with my worldly group of friends, I try to be performative in the fact that I want to try to fit in with them and I kind of put my relationship with Christ to the side. I'm not as bold about it. I'm not as, oh yeah, guys, well, maybe we should stop doing this. I don't think Jesus would do this if he was here with us. And I just don't say that because I get kind of scared.

SPEAKER_07

But so I think it's interesting. You but y'all y'all both in your answer uh really good answers, by the way. But I think also then that leads to what happened this morning when Austin talked about performative serving. Yeah. Somebody tell us about that.

SPEAKER_11

Okay, I'll hop on here again. Hi, I'm Ashley. I'm back. One of the things that I looked down, and the first thing that I saw was don't try to impress God in today's devotion is something that we talked about. This wasn't in the message this morning, but in today's devotion we talked about private worship, is where our faith became real and without anyone watching. So it's not trying to impress God, not trying to, you know, do what you think God wants you to do, but honest, but serving like Austin talked about this morning, not because of what we want our image to be or because we want to look better for ourselves and not acting and you know, going out of that pride that we carry in us as, you know, fleshly sinners, but acting in humility and serving because that is what Jesus did. And Jesus set that example like Austin was talking about today, because he served even Judas, who was going to betray him, and he served everybody by washing their feet, and that our greatest need is to be cleansed, and even in his glory and power, he kneeled and he served. So we should as well.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah. The washing the feet thing is kind of weird, right? Because Jesus didn't have, you know, on clouds back in back in the day, right? It was like open-toed dirt roads washing their feet. And um well, Austin tried to illustrate that. He went in depth, too. He went in. Uh sorry, actually it's a little bit of a private joke, but anyway. Yeah, I actually want to swing that mic all the way around to one of my friends over here, Miss Ansley, because she helped us with a an object lesson this morning that kind of relates to that because you and your brother got to participate in a game this morning that kind of illustrated some of that. Would you care to, you know, comment?

SPEAKER_05

Oh, yeah. So this morning, our game leading off the morning session was it was each two people from each color team, and me and my brother both happen to be on pink. And of course, I raised my hand. Obviously, he raised his hand.

SPEAKER_08

And you say obviously he raised his hand.

SPEAKER_05

Um every time there's a game, he's jumping, you know, he's he's doing his best to get in. So we both got picked, and we go up there, and Mr. Kevin is explaining the rules.

SPEAKER_08

I'm sorry, it's not Mr. Kevin.

SPEAKER_05

Kev.

SPEAKER_08

Uncle Uncle Kevin's crazy.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I'm sorry, crazy Uncle Kevin was saying the rules, and I thought it was a joke at first because he says, okay, so someone's gonna take their sock off, and there's already sprite cans on the table, right? It's like, so we're gonna open the sprite cans and put your sock over the sprite. So I whether he was joking or not, you know, I was not about to drink out of my brother's sock. That was just not happening to me.

SPEAKER_07

You get back to it. Yeah, I was looking there, and first of all, I thought, isn't this sweet? We got a brother and a sister, and I knew what was coming. And so I'm looking real close, and and and Ansley was so funny because she said, I am I can read her lips all the way from the back. I am not drinking from that sock.

SPEAKER_08

No, I'm gonna be honest with you. I thought they were joking for a minute. Yeah, I was not 100% certain.

SPEAKER_05

Well, I totally thought he was joking. Yeah, I had no clue whether they were joking or but I was being a little precautious. So I just went ahead and took my sock off because, like I said, I'm not drinking out of each.

SPEAKER_08

Was Easton wearing socks?

SPEAKER_05

I mean, maybe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08

I don't know if he was crocking out this morning.

SPEAKER_07

I don't know if they were clean. Yeah, I was gonna say, you knew that if he was, they weren't gonna be clean.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, so they told us to put the sock over the sprite. So I put my sock over the sprite and Easton's freaking out. He's starting to tear up.

SPEAKER_08

He's like, Easton was wigging for a minute.

SPEAKER_05

Right? So I go ahead and put my sock over the sprite can, and sure enough, he downs us for when we win.

SPEAKER_08

But Easton clutched up.

SPEAKER_05

He did.

SPEAKER_08

He did, he pushed Bruce a little bit, but Brie did it too. Yeah, Bree Brie got second place.

SPEAKER_07

I don't think they can hear you say really.

SPEAKER_11

I did my here, Brie. Take the mic and tell them how you grew up.

SPEAKER_08

Okay, so Rayleigh just broke the microphone.

SPEAKER_13

Okay, so it's Brie again. I actually also participated in. I was the one that had to drink out of my peer stock, and I was crying. I did get second place, though. I'm kind of mad I didn't clutch up as hard as Easton, but I did throw up after it. It it tasted like a dirty wet stock. No, it knew. It was yes. No, it did. You like you smelled socks, like, oh, that stock needs to be washed. That's what it tasted like. I could taste it. And it wasn't even somebody I knew either.

SPEAKER_07

So you know what though? I felt kind of sorry for the person whose stock was used because now they didn't have a stock. What do they do the rest of the day? That is too funny. It was it was fun to watch. I'm sorry, Bree. I know it was painful.

SPEAKER_13

But that I take back my best memory of earlier. That was my best memory. That was your best memory?

SPEAKER_07

Oh my gosh. That is so wild. Yeah, forget all that Jesus stuff. It was too good right.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, what was your favorite part of bold? I got the drink from a stranger sock. It was amazing. All right, that was that was crazy. So, yeah, that that was a thing. How about this? Since we're talking about games, games are a big part of bold. There's some fun games going on. Some of you who've been here for more than uh a year, or even if you haven't, what are some of your favorite games that you remember from bold? You have any go go, Sophia. I see.

SPEAKER_11

Sophia's already reaching.

SPEAKER_02

Actually, oh, this is Sophia. There's a picture on on Facebook, so you can go check it out. It's me and my brother. Oh, we were give me a like on and we we were it's on the Orchard page. We were playing the sponge one. So you had to like wait the what? The sponge game, the slip and slide sponge game.

SPEAKER_08

Okay. So explain it. So

SPEAKER_02

So you have a bucket on both sides of the slip and slide, and you fill up a sponge with water and then you slip down the slip and slide, and then the first team to like squeeze all well, then you have to like squeeze the water out of the sponge into the other bucket and then run. It's like a relay. A ri relay? What's it?

SPEAKER_08

Relay. Relay, relay. We got you.

SPEAKER_07

We got you.

SPEAKER_06

A relay.

SPEAKER_07

Hey, you know what just occurred to me while you were talking? You said that about your brother. Actually, her brother, Ethan, was one of our guests. Was on the podcast last year. That's right.

SPEAKER_08

So now you're even. Well, matter of fact, he's gonna be brokenhearted when he hears it because he enjoyed it and he did a really good job. And now he's gonna know that the twin twin has now hopped on.

SPEAKER_11

I would just like Sophia called me and Rylan freaking out, needing a blow dryer, and was almost in tears. He's screaming, Does anybody have a blow dryer? Because my hair is soaked. And was freaking out.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, because I was running and I was trying not to get wet. Because I wasn't slipping and sliding like Ethan was. Actually, he broke a book a bucket while he broke it.

SPEAKER_07

Just for his end.

SPEAKER_02

And I was running and I was doing really well, not getting wet. And then all of a sudden my feet slipped out from under me and I fell straight on my back and I landed in the dirt and it was.

SPEAKER_08

So is that the best memory?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it was actually kind of fun. Because I beat my because I beat my brother. Go green. Go green.

SPEAKER_08

Green team for the win. That's right. Green team. I'm I'm uh I was I was, you know, behind Easton for that game, but I'm green team all the way. It's gotta be green team for me. So both my kids were on green team. So anybody else, favorite game?

SPEAKER_14

So me, Ashley, and Ella played Capture the Flag, but not the kind of capture the flag that we all think about. And Anne's, yeah. Um it was the kind, oh really, you did it too. Did we all do Capture the Flag? Most of us.

SPEAKER_08

Wait, I'm shocked. You guys all pick the same game to go to?

SPEAKER_11

Well, yeah, it was strategic if you couldn't tell.

SPEAKER_14

Yeah. It was the kind where you have like the little flag football things around your waist and you basically just run around and you're trying to pull the other team's flags off. Um Ashley and I had the great idea to just, you know, hide. And we were like, you know, if they don't get our flags, it's points for our team. And, you know, we decided that we had to be proactive and go out and try to help our team. So as we're running out, there's like these metal, I don't even know what they were. Poles. Like poles or some kind of equipment that was like metal sticking up out of the ground. And as we're running, all I hear Ashley go, ow, ow, my leg. And I look down and there's like dents in her shins from our um escape route. So that's that's premier escape route. Pretty fun memory.

SPEAKER_08

I'm just surprised that you guys don't have the same favorite game that I had, and it was not from bold this year. So a bunch of guys were at bold last year, right? You remember the Bowl Olympics. One of my favorite ones from last year. Do any of you guys remember the Lego building from last year? So we had a bunch of different games like you could go to.

SPEAKER_07

Point you and Leo are really excited about.

SPEAKER_08

Look, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, this was my favorite because we had like a bunch of different games you go to just like this year to compete for your team to win points. But we know every kid is not like the most outgoing, active, athletic kid or whatever. And so one of the games was the teams had Lego sets that they had to complete the Lego set. And I want to tell you, when I went over there to watch them, they were so locked in on building those Lego sets. It was the wildest thing. If you've never seen competitive Lego building, oh my gosh. They were flying through pieces, had them like sorted out, like locked in. And when one of them finished ahead of the other ones, I'm telling you, like everybody who around was watching them just lost it because it was it was crazy. It was epic. So that's my favorite game. You guys are lame.

SPEAKER_07

All right, so well, I can tell you now, I know I know these girls pretty well. And one thing I will say about them is they are all really competitive. At whatever they do, they're very competitive.

SPEAKER_08

Except grabbing the microphone to talk. Except for Brie. Hey, get a breeze. Hey, we look, we're gonna have Brie's gonna have her own podcast. It's gonna be, hey, it's Brie again.

SPEAKER_13

Hey, it's Bree again.

SPEAKER_08

No, I love it. I love it. Yeah, I dude kind of like that title. Just catch it. Hey, did you guys hear about what we were gonna name Pastor Eddie's podcast?

SPEAKER_06

Oh my god, get ready with Eddie.

SPEAKER_08

Isn't that great? How many of you think that he should change? I think we should use that title.

SPEAKER_06

I love that.

SPEAKER_07

Get ready with Eddie.

SPEAKER_06

Get ready with Eddie.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, actually, what actually Brittany, I think, shared that with her group last week. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_08

I know. It's good. It's good. So let's just gears away from bold for just a minute and maybe just talk more about being uh junior senior in high school, your generation, because what statistics tell you is that in your generation, there are less Christians now than there have been at that point in previous generations. I don't think that that's necessarily true, because what I think is it just used to be a lot more popular for people to say they're a Christian. And so they would say they're a Christian, but they probably didn't have like a real relationship with Jesus. Now, if you're gonna say you're a Christian, how about this? Say you're a Christian in Brantford or Lake City or Live Oak is one thing. Saying you're a Christian in Chicago or Detroit or Atlanta, you know, a little bit different. So I think what we would say is that nominal Christianity, which is just like, hey, I'm naming myself a Christian, is probably on the decline. I'm not convinced that actual Christianity in your generation is on the decline, but I know there are some unique challenges for your generation. So if you had to think about it, what what do you think are some of the biggest challenges that your generation faces in your faith and following Jesus?

SPEAKER_14

Hey, it's Ryland. I think one of the biggest challenges that our generation faces with following Jesus is definitely social media. Our phones take so much of our attention. And last night Pastor Tip was talking about what we give our attention to is kind of like what we become, I guess, in a way. Let me find exactly what you said. You said, yeah, what you give your attention to is what shapes you. And so I think a lot of us, we talked about this in our small group. We don't think we spend that much time on our cell phones, but if you really go and look at the screen time, it's really convicted to see.

SPEAKER_08

All right, let's do it. Who wants who wants to be brave and just write random pull up their screen time and see what their screen time is? Who wants to do it? Who wants to do it? You doing it, Rayleigh? Let's see. Rayleigh's doing it. All right. Well, all right, what are we guessing? Somebody, before she pulls it up, somebody give me a guess. What do you think? What do you about five?

SPEAKER_11

I'm going to go. I'm going to say seven eight a day.

SPEAKER_08

Eight, what do we think? Five. How about this? If you think above, let's call it seven. If you think above seven, raise your hand.

SPEAKER_11

It might be bad.

SPEAKER_08

If you think below seven, raise your hand.

SPEAKER_11

I think it's more than below seven.

SPEAKER_08

I'd go below seven. Yeah, yeah. I'm going below. All right. So what what do we got, Rayleigh?

SPEAKER_04

631.

SPEAKER_08

There it is. All right. There it is. All right. Still not the greatest.

SPEAKER_11

Sophie's a six, and her total, wait, you say your total. Your total screen time for this week is 42 hours and four minutes.

SPEAKER_08

All right. I'm not one. I'm not gonna leave you on an island.

SPEAKER_06

Two days. Two days.

SPEAKER_08

I'm not gonna leave you on an island right here. How many days? Two days? How many? How many you guys want to guess what my screen time is average daily?

SPEAKER_12

Three hours.

SPEAKER_07

Yes high. No, guess hi. Yes.

SPEAKER_12

I'm thinking eight. Well, you work on your phone. You're on your phone right now. I'm gonna say it's yeah, you might like do a little work on your phone, something, and like eight, like probably.

SPEAKER_08

All right, how about this? I want you to go around the table. If you're willing to give a guess, we will I will buy a coffee for the person who's the closest. Okay, yep.

SPEAKER_02

Wait, weekly or daily? What are we gonna say?

SPEAKER_08

We're gonna go to my daily average this week.

SPEAKER_02

Daily average today this week.

SPEAKER_08

Daily average this week.

SPEAKER_02

I'm gonna say eight hours and thirty-seven minutes.

SPEAKER_08

Okay, eight hours thirty-seven minutes.

SPEAKER_13

Um I have to um This is Reagan.

SPEAKER_08

This is Reagan.

SPEAKER_13

Yeah, hi. Nine hours.

SPEAKER_08

Nine hours?

SPEAKER_13

Uh I'm Callie.

SPEAKER_11

I'm gonna guess eight hours and 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_08

Eight hours and 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_11

Okay, it's Ashley. I'm guessing 10 hours and 35 minutes.

SPEAKER_08

Do you guys think I'm not sleep?

SPEAKER_13

Oh my gosh. Okay, I'm gonna guess 750.

SPEAKER_08

750? What do you think, Ella?

SPEAKER_03

I'm Ella. I'm gonna guess eight eight hours.

SPEAKER_08

Eight hours. Yeah. Rayleigh.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, it's Rayleigh. I'm gonna say like seven twenty-five-ish.

SPEAKER_08

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

It's Rylan. I'm going with Reagan. I think it's like nine. I low-key, hey, it's Kaylee. I low key think maybe ten because of his working hours.

SPEAKER_07

Ans.

SPEAKER_05

My name's Ans. I think maybe like five and a half. Oh, Anne's is loud.

SPEAKER_07

So before you reveal, do I get a guess? Go ahead. So by your wealthy pastoretti. What is the highest guess to this point?

SPEAKER_11

10. 1050.

SPEAKER_07

1050.

SPEAKER_11

I mean 30.

SPEAKER_07

1051. 1051? All right. 251. And it and it's not go ahead. 1051. You know why I say that? Because he uses it on the golf course, too.

SPEAKER_08

I'm thinking he uses it. Oh, you guys didn't know about that, did you? All right, so Ansley, what was yours?

SPEAKER_06

Five and a half hours.

SPEAKER_08

Five and a half hours. Looks like Ansley's getting a coffee. Woo! 443. 443. He picked a low day. It's an average. It's yesterday. So, but I mean it's true. Like, it even how weird is it that we think four hours, almost five hours, is low. Yeah. Right? Like, that's kind of wild to think about that, right? Like, that's sitting down and watching two and a half full movies, right? On your phone every day. So I do think that is a big challenge. What is the biggest part of that besides how it forms you? What about we talked about performative Christianity? Do you feel compelled to like have a certain image or presence online in social media? What's that like? Because that's what's weird for me. Because it's weird for me to like even put things on social media. The only things I put on social media, stuff from the church, stuff about my wife and kids, or stuff that's absolutely hilarious.

SPEAKER_11

Hey, it's Ashley. I think a lot of people do that now. I like I think a lot of our generation gets sucked into the like bio Bible verses. I think everybody wants to have a Bible verse in their bio. And I think Do you have a Bible verse in your bio? Yes, I have Matthew 634, which is therefore do not worry about tomorrow for tomorrow. We'll worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble with its own. I have Bible verse in there.

SPEAKER_07

I'm impressed.

SPEAKER_11

Thank you. It's on my glove too. But anyways, I think a lot of people have a Bible verse in their bio, which I almost am a little bit okay. I don't know how to explain it. But I think it's general for people to have that in there. But then the hard part is they'll have it in their bio, but then you'll see, okay, well, this person has a Bible verse in their bio, but then sometimes their lives don't always reflect that. And sometimes those are the people that are you're like, okay, well, you're claiming to be a Christian, but sometimes, okay, well, if they're a Christian, do I act like that? Am I supposed to live like that? Is that what like a Christian's going to live like? And so I think it goes back into performative Christianity where it's this image we are wanting to curate for like everybody to see.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, that is really a lot of wisdom there. I think you're right. That's the thing that bothers me about it sometimes, I think, is it is very performative. And if your lifestyle doesn't match it, that's you have to be careful about that, right?

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, that's good. Anybody else got thoughts on that? Like about feeling pressured to have a certain image or put certain things on your social media?

SPEAKER_11

Ru wants it. Here, Ru, you want this one? Hey, it's big.

SPEAKER_13

Your question was feeling pressured.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, do you feel pressured to like put certain things on social media or have a certain image online?

SPEAKER_13

Yes. I was gonna say not necessarily pressured to put something out online about my faith, not necessarily to oh have this in my bio or oh, I need an Instagram post a day of clipping something like a Bible account says or something. Not necessarily having that pressure, but I feel the pressure of if I'm gonna claim myself to be a Christian, like if I'm gonna claim publicly, yes, I believe in Christ and I follow this way and I follow what the Bible says and stuff. Like I feel really pressured to try and live that out to my best that I can. And I feel like I mean, obviously I'm human and I'm gonna make mistakes. Obviously, I'm not perfect and like I'm gonna mess up, I'm young. And I just feel like people can be really judgy if I mess up, but I claim to be a Christian. And I feel like I have the pressure to not necessarily the pressure to be perfect in a sense, but I have the pressure of if I'm gonna claim this, I have to live it out. And I feel like that's just my take on it. Not necessarily, oh, put this in your bi put this in your bio, put this in your bio, or post this or post this. But it's like I don't want to post it because if I post it, then I know that I'm gonna get judged in a sense, like some some kind of backlash for posting that because people are gonna think, well, she makes mistakes. But I feel like Yeah, no, I get that. I feel like people, in my opinion, I feel like that's just being judgy and like obviously God says, like, don't judge anybody because nobody's perfect.

SPEAKER_08

Hey, uh that's my take. Look at me. I don't have an orchard bumper sticker on my truck because I don't want people to judge me when I start getting mad when I'm driving. Sometimes I'll be getting road rage. You know, I thought about that when she wasn't gonna out you. I really wouldn't. Well, I appreciate that. Everybody's asked me, do you have like one of those orchard stickers on your truck? Absolutely not. Nope. Uh, when I'm blowing doors off an old lady on Brantford Highway, I don't even know I go to the orchard.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, he just said that in a meeting this week.

SPEAKER_08

I don't know.

SPEAKER_07

I know what you want to do. I know.

SPEAKER_08

That's good. So, how about this? This this is a weird question, and it may reveal my unc status here. Which social media do you think is most helpful to your faith? And which social media do you think is most dangerous to your faith?

SPEAKER_13

I don't think there's any helpful social media to your faith at all.

SPEAKER_08

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_11

Well, I mean, sometimes, okay, in a way, sometimes there's good people on TikTok that say give good messages, but it's really easy to. I saw, okay, a lot of you know Trae Lee. I saw him post something on his Facebook literally last week, and it was like, be careful because there are so many people prophesying, and there's so many people spreading the gospel that are a wolf in sheep's clothing. And so I think there's a lot of people that have great things to say on social media and have great things to say on TikTok that sometimes bring great messages to people and help people have revivals in their life. But I think there's a lot of people that influence people in the wrong way because they use the platform and don't spread truth.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, because you know, as this podcast is proof, anybody can have a microphone.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, literally. Okay, it's Rayleigh again. So I think obviously every social media can have its pros and cons. But for me, when you ask that question, I immediately thought of Instagram reels. And yeah, I'm a I'm a reels girl. Sorry.

SPEAKER_08

So you just basically TikTok three weeks later.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So so basically, obviously everything can be good and bad, but when I think of it like Instagram reels, I always think of everything that Ryland sends me on Instagram reels. All right because we be sending reels back and forth about little Bible verses or like self-confidence things, and that honestly is such a good thing about it, is that you can use it in that positive light.

SPEAKER_07

I like that. That's good. So I I think that's that's really good. I I you know, I tend to agree with Brie here.

SPEAKER_10

Get her a podcast.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, however, hey, it's me, it's Brie again. Oh no, no, no. I got it. I ready? Hey, it's me, is Brie. Okay.

SPEAKER_07

Well, uh, but but here's what I would add. I would add to that this that I think that the other ladies have been right too. I think you have to take something that that no is not inherently helpful and make it helpful, right? And then then you're just watching your algorithms, you're watching, okay, what am I what's coming to my feet, etc. And uh so I mean Chip knows my I'm I'm not a big social media fan. However, we we try to use it in good ways, right? And so I think that is a big key. Because you can't dodge everything in life that's evil, right?

SPEAKER_08

Social media is a great tool, it's horrible master.

SPEAKER_07

Yes, yeah, but Bree, I did kind of agree with that.

SPEAKER_13

I'm just gonna say that I think it's personal preference because I know myself and I know that if I get on a social media, whether it's Instagram or whether it's TikTok or anything, I know personally that I'm gonna end up doom scrolling. So that's why I say, like, for me, it's just better for me to not have anything. And the only thing, if I'm bored, open my Bible. If I'm bored, hey God, it's me again.

SPEAKER_06

Like literally, like that's why I say that.

SPEAKER_07

So hey Brie, it's me. Um I totally agree and say amen to that. I think that is the thing with me. I'm I'm very similar. That's why I don't it's not that I don't like it, it's that I I guard my time and my eyes, right?

SPEAKER_08

So that's good. How about this? Let let's let's see how transparent you're willing to get honest. And I don't know, maybe you will be honest. Does anybody have a burner account on any of your socials? You do?

SPEAKER_13

A hundred. What? Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_10

Oh no, mine's just to stalk people on so they don't see that I look at their pages. I don't post anything on mine.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah. Anyone else that you say you got one? I know that I have uh a good friend of mine whose name rhymes with Lay Tree. Um uh who would tell you that he has a burner Twitter account just so that he can troll Mets fans during baseball season. So just to troll Mets fans during baseball season. So why Mets fans? Because we're Braves fans. We hate the Mets. We hate the Mets. We're not bandwagon fans like you Dodgers fans. Well, I knew you were a Braves fan. That's why I was wondering what was up with the Mets. I didn't realize that was such a ride. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_10

So we go, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah. I was just I was just curious. I was just curious. I've never had a burner account because if I'm gonna troll somebody, I just want them to know. As a matter of fact, actually, Eddie can verify that I have asked uh some of our other pastors what they thought about me jumping on some gossip pages and just commenting as the church. You know, really.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, we we uh we uh tried to overrule him on that one though.

SPEAKER_08

You did try back down, I back down. So, all right, final question, and maybe give a little thought to it. Let's see if you hadn't hopped in, maybe it's a good chance to hop in. What is one thing that you wish the older generations knew or understood that would help you in your faith more? Like one th maybe one thing they did differently, one thing that they understood better that you just feel like they don't get that it makes you know faith in your generation hard.

SPEAKER_03

Hi, it's Ella. I think one thing that my parents and like the older generation didn't have as much or any, I guess, is social media. And I don't really have that much, I only have Instagram and I just got it, but it is very, I think, effective and it can be like good and bad in that. And I've just like noticed how my mom tells me to like not really feed in or let it affect me, but it still does either way, yeah. And it's kind of hard to tell like others about that when they're not my age or understanding where we are, and I feel like other people on there can try to be like aesthetic with everything that they do, and it's not real, and it's really hard to compare my life to others when I don't know what their actual life looks like, and it just kind of looks like perfect, and it's really hard to deal with that.

SPEAKER_07

So is it can I speak up as an older person? Yes, because I I I would say this cut your parents some slack because um it is very hard because we grew up so different. We grew up so different that it's just I mean, unreal. I mean, I you listen, I was born in the the only phone you had was a one you shared with all your neighbors, right? So I mean I'm ancient, but it is hard, and it's hard for them and all they see is the danger, right? They just see the danger, and so it's very hard because they want to guard you from that. I see what you're saying though, and so I try to be a little different in that and try to watch that, but yeah, cut them slack. That's good. What else? Anybody got some thoughts?

SPEAKER_14

This is Ryland. One thing that I think about the older generation is that especially around here, I feel like we get locked into tradition a lot, like growing up traditional, like what like a quote Baptist like looks like kind of thing. And I think one thing I would tell the older generation is that worship and like our relationship with Jesus can look different. Just because we don't worship the same way doesn't mean we don't have the same relationship kind of thing. And I don't know, I just feel like everything doesn't have to fit into a certain mold any anymore. It could be open to revival. Yeah. I like it.

SPEAKER_08

Amen. I like it. Anybody else got some deep thought? This is your chance to tell the 18 people that are gonna listen to this podcast you're not gonna be able to do. Top 50%.

SPEAKER_13

Top 50%. Um, it's weird, yeah. I was going to say kind of what Ryland said because I feel like the older generation is very like I talked about being judgy people in my generation earlier, but I think the older generation is equally, or if not more, just as judgy to what young people do, especially in a small town. I feel like there's a lot of gossip and stuff that goes amongst the parents, like gossiping about the kids and stuff.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13

And I feel like I wish that the older generation would understand that everybody was saying the social media and stuff, our lives are completely not completely different, but I don't think the older people understand how different it actually is. Like the social norms are so different inside. Outside of the church. So Ryland said, I wish that they would understand that just because we do stuff differently, say I want to run around the church during worship. Don't judge me for that.

SPEAKER_08

Have you ever ran around the church during worship?

SPEAKER_13

You know, last night, me and me and actually, you know, last night, me and Ashley were like actually thinking about it. I was gonna say my interpentecostal coming out. Yeah, take my shoes off. But run. That's just one thing that I wish I could be like.

SPEAKER_08

So essentially you want to tell them be like, hey, look, mind your business.

SPEAKER_13

Yeah. My relationship with Christ with Christ doesn't have to look like going and sitting in a pew every Sunday and then leaving.

SPEAKER_08

It can look like sitting in auditorium chairs in your high school.

SPEAKER_13

It could look like that.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13

All right. That's that's one thing I like about the orchard is it's very non-conformative to the standard. Literally, you originated in a hotel.

SPEAKER_08

I feel like any other we originated in Eddie's living room.

SPEAKER_13

Well, there's that. But I feel like anybody else will be like, uh, that ain't a real church. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Well we've heard that before. They still have that opinion sometimes. So let me let me let me give some older person wisdom here. Because here's what I learned in thinking that, because I agree, Bree, with what you're saying and Ryland. And I think that that is very true. And I think really and truly that is the burden. You know, we've talked about preaching on Nehemiah the last couple of weeks at the orchard, and the burden that Nehemiah had. And I think the burden that God placed on our heart to start the orchard was young people. And we were not particularly young when we did that. And so, but there was a heavy burden for young people, and for us to be able to find a place for young people to come and be able to worship freely without that judgment and so forth, so on. So I'm so I'm coming from that platform. However, what I've learned along the way is you've got to flip that way of thinking also and understand the way some older people enjoy worship. And it's not it, it's it's I now I don't mean the ones that are just you know stuck in the mud doing what we've done for a hundred years just to for what for for public to see. But I I'm talking about the genuine, there are genuine people who worship quietly, calmly, who don't run laps around the auditorium. Although I would join you on that lap. I'm I'm telling you. In fact, you know, I would not yesterday was In fact, what what was it, the song y'all were hopping up and down on? Praise. Praise Oh, praise. Yeah, so I'm hopping up and down. I looked over at Malia. She was sitting next to me with a baby, and I looked at Malia and I said, I'm hopping on the inside. I had no energy to hop on the outside, but I'm hopping on the inside.

SPEAKER_08

Now, I think that's a really good word though, is that and I agree, if you want other people to say, hey, look, just because we worship different doesn't mean we're not worshiping.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

I mean, it goes both ways, right? So when Aaron walks into the office and I'm blaring my bluegrass music in the office, she can't judge me for being an old man. Yeah, it's uh it's a true story. You guys will hear it later. But I I do think that that's a good point, is that that that runs across the spectrum is, you know, somebody whose hands never are lifted could be just as sincere as somebody's whose hands are, and somebody's whose hands are lifted can be just as performative as the person who's more concerned about what everybody's wearing and if they're standing the right way in their pew, you know.

SPEAKER_07

So that's why I thought last night was really a powerful message and a powerful thing to get because that was the whole point, right? Yeah. We do you do what you do, I do what I do. We are ourselves and we worship God the way we are felt to worship and built to worship. And so, yeah, that's good. And one more thing to say about worship before we leave. I know we gotta bring this to a close, but but I think la I think this morning was one of my maybe one of my all-time favorite moments in bold, because I thought it was almost it was so incredible at the uh worship moment this morning before Austin got up. Uh when I look up there and I see, okay, so Jackson is is leading the guitar and leading the first song, and Ryland is there, and Lauren is there, and then all of you students are up there at the front. And it's and then through through the whole thing, but especially at the end, Ryland, I love the way you pulled the mic back and just let the voices be heard. And I thought, this is the next generation, and there is great hope for the next generation. A lot of older people, the mistake we make is these young kids today, you know, they're I'm getting chills right now, just thinking about it, you guys. You are that next generation, and seeing you worship like that this morning with your own students, your own colleagues as the worship leaders. I know Lucas was up there pulling around with the drum, he just wanted to be in on it. But I mean, it was an incredible moment. So thank you for letting me be a part of that.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, that is really cool. And there is, if you're listening to this, I hope you understand. You know, there's there is hope for the next generation, but not just hope. There's excitement about the next generation. Like they take faith seriously. And they got a good head on their shoulders, at least the girls, the boys. Uh uh, you know, we'll we'll see. We'll see we'll see how that goes. All right. Any any final words, ladies, before we get out of here?

SPEAKER_14

Oh, Bree's got a word. Okay, yeah, yeah. Bree out. You said um thank you for that moment of worship. I want to say thank you to the pastors and thank you to Pastor Eddie for starting this all. Sometimes I look back at Pastor Eddie whenever he's worshiping, and I'm like, man, he he started this thing. That's incredible. Thank you, Pastor Eddie. You know what I mean? Thank you for being obedient to the speaker, Pastor Eddie. Love you.

SPEAKER_07

And by the way, the band last night was incredible. So I'm not doing I'm not dissing him at all. That was incredible last night. For those of you who have never been to Bold, you ought to come. I mean, it's incredible.

SPEAKER_08

Uh yeah, uh, you ought to give us a heads up you're coming because we got some mean security guys that'll keep you out. Grumpy. Grumpy. What else?

SPEAKER_13

My final word is tonight, catch the Facebook page after the final service of Bold to see a video of Pastor Chip doing laps around the auditorium. Okay. He will be joining, just saying.

SPEAKER_08

All right, I hear you. Anybody else? We got anything? All right. Well, that's it. And we'll catch you back next week right here on Let's Talk About That.

SPEAKER_01

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