Greening Up My Act

Climate Change Needs New Marketing — How to Fix It

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Tiffany (00:01)
Hi Kat. I'm doing well. How are you? Yeah.

Kat (00:02)
Hello Tiffany, how are you?

doing alright. It's windy

here in Texas. We've got a red flag fire warning. Yeah, yeah. Mostly two fires, one in San Antonio and one northeast Austin. So I'm safe so far, but there's been some evacuations and things.

Tiffany (00:11)
boy. Yikesies, yikesies.

my god, didn't even hear about- it's like you don't even hear about things because there's so much. Jesus Christ.

Kat (00:27)
No, yeah, yeah, exactly. And

it hasn't turned into LA wildfire stage yet, so we'll see.

Tiffany (00:37)
Wow, and North Carolina right now has a bunch of fires going on too. Both, I think. Oy, well, stay safe.

Kat (00:40)
Yeah. Was it South Carolina? Yeah, I ssss

Yeah, doing my best. Thank you.

Tiffany (00:51)
Okay,

here's my intro.

Kat (00:58)
Okay, moving from fires to other fires.

Tiffany (01:03)
fires. Well, this is actually less of a fire and more of just a really interesting topic that I found while I was researching. here's a quote. We want to work together as Republicans and Democrats because at the end of the day, we all care about leaving the earth better than we found it. That's how I talk about it. Who doesn't want to leave the earth better than we found it? That was John Curtis, who is a new Republican United States Senator from Utah.

Kat (01:31)
Okay.

Tiffany (01:33)
And he, this article was written while he was campaigning and when the article was written, he hadn't won yet. And so they're like, hmm, this is interesting. If he wins, the Sierra club wrote it. so like if he wins, does he have a chance of changing some hearts and minds in the Republican side? He's currently one of the only, if, if not the only Republicans in at least the like federal Congress.

Kat (01:44)
Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (02:03)
who

actively advocates for climate change solutions. And maybe this is a Senate. feel like maybe, I don't know about the representative, like the House of Representatives. Because while he was in the House of Representatives, he founded one of the bigger caucuses called Conservative Climate Caucus. Because he was in the House for, I don't know how many years, but some years. That caucus is popular and it's also very much about free markets.

Kat (02:22)
Okay.

Tiffany (02:32)
including oil as part of the solution. Part of the solution, right? But not totally getting rid of oil. But it does focus on reducing emissions. in that caucus, believe that climate change... They do believe that the climate is changing. that's something. That's something. And that decades of a global industrial area... my gosh, can I talk?

Kat (02:37)
Mm-hmm.

Okay, so they don't call it a scam? Yeah.

Tiffany (03:02)
of a global industrial era that has brought prosperity to the world has also contributed to that change. So that's interesting.

Kat (03:10)
So they believe in human

culture.

Tiffany (03:13)
Yes, but this is rare in the Republican Party, at least outwardly. So what can we do about climate polarization?

Kat (03:15)
Mm-hmm.

Ooh, okay.

Tiffany (03:25)
I'm realizing that it may be a political issue. Yes, but it's also a marketing issue. Welcome to greening up my act.

Kat (03:33)
Dun dun dun dun!

Tiffany (03:55)
Alrighty. Cool.

Kat (04:00)
I, that was not what I was expecting for this week actually. I think we changed topics.

Tiffany (04:01)
So.

I know. Yeah,

we did because, well, first off, I think what we originally going to talk about was a little too overlappy with yours. We were going to talk about like what green plans are out there. And then I also, as I was researching, I found this topic and I was like, whoa, this is so interesting. So I had to talk about it. It is. It is. Yeah. It's sort of like, God, do I really want to like get another gut punch? No, not really.

Kat (04:25)
It's and it's more hopeful. feel like. Yeah.

Yeah, just wait till

next week. That's when Minimal will be.

Tiffany (04:35)
Yeah,

exactly. Can't wait. So let's go through my sources a little bit. I listened to the Outrage and Optimism podcast with Ben Rhodes, who is one of the hosts of Pod Save America. And I actually met the guy. Remember I was talking about the think tank I worked at? Yeah, we had an event with him and I met him.

Kat (04:43)
Okay.

America.

Yeah.

Tiffany (05:03)
I looked at the climate change review. I looked at a bunch of things, so we're going to just fly through these. NBC News, Civil Eats, which never heard of it, but really good article. It's mostly about the farmers who had the freeze. We'll talk about that later. They had the funding freeze. Yeah. This other one, BU Pipe Dream, was really a good article.

Kat (05:23)
okay. yeah.

Tiffany (05:32)
I don't even know what they are, but I used them. They were really good.

climate.gov. I use them for some sources, which still exists miraculously. Pew Research Center, use them a lot. The Philadelphia Citizen was really good. Talked about something in Pennsylvania. Sierra Club and Grist, although I actually don't think I even read that Grist one. No, I didn't. So anyway, but I'll keep it anyway.

Kat (06:06)
Hey, for further

reading, yeah, why not?

Tiffany (06:09)
Yeah,

exactly. So some stats because it's sort of like where are we currently is because it's very easy to feel like there's just two sides. Right with everything. So 69 % of the US population in 2022 supported growing renewable energy sources like solar and wind.

Kat (06:22)
Right. Yeah. Black or white. It's a binary system. Right. Yeah.

Tiffany (06:37)
and becoming carbon neutral by 2050, which is so interesting. Some of these, you know, these are polls. So some of them report sort of slightly different.

Kat (06:40)
Okay.

Well,

and again, that doesn't necessarily because of the way that our country votes, you know, that might be like raw numbers, but remember cities make up more people than rural areas, you know, so Wyoming gets the same number of senators as New York, but they probably have very different views on these things. So it's just something, you know,

Tiffany (07:03)
Right.

Yeah, right.

But yeah, some of this was pretty interesting, though, because like, so.

42 % of Republicans and those who lean Republican support expanding alternative energy sources versus, which is like 42%, that's like almost half, versus like nine out of 10 Democrats, of course. Although 67 % of Republicans under the age of 30 support alternative energy. So the young Republicans are kind of where it's at right now. But.

Kat (07:29)
Yeah, that's a good chunk. Yeah.

Okay.

But in raw numbers,

how many people, I mean, yeah, that's, mean, like.

Tiffany (07:51)
I don't know. Yeah. I do.

We're going to talk about like youth, Republican climate people in a bit. And it's interesting. But then only 31 % of the population says we should completely phase out oil and natural gas, which is so interesting. That's like a big

Kat (07:58)
Okay.

Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, but... yeah.

Tiffany (08:16)
Like that's a big,

I guess argument in the whole climate world.

Kat (08:23)
Yeah, well, and I wonder,

like, that's such a nuanced question,

Tiffany (08:27)
Mm-hmm.

Kat (08:29)
Okay, we phasing out oil and gas production for cars? Okay. But what about for making plastic or, you know,

Tiffany (08:37)
Right.

Yeah, I mean this is completely phased out. I don't remember what they asked him, but yeah, it's true.

Kat (08:43)
Okay, what the exact question was. Yeah. I always feel like if

a pollster asked me a question, I'd be like, well, in what situation, in what context? Like I need more, like I'm not just gonna be like, yes, no. It's like, I need, yeah. Yeah, I need more explanation of what you mean by that. Yeah.

Tiffany (08:49)
Yeah, they're like just click click the button dude

But at the same time, two thirds of Americans say corporations are doing too little to address climate change, which is really interesting. However, it's still 17th out of 21 of our top national concerns. 17th, right?

Kat (09:06)
good so yeah yeah

Eggs. Eggs are always

gonna trump. Clean energy. Yeah.

Tiffany (09:21)
It's crazy. It's really nuts. but so the majority of Republicans support, they do actually support environmental policies like planting trees, providing tax credits to businesses for the development of carbon capture, tougher restrictions on power plant carbon pollution. So my sources say that most Republicans support

Kat (09:23)
Yeah.

Tiffany (09:51)
act like that, which is so interesting. then NPR polled a bunch of people and found that 70 % of Republicans think climate change, climate change specifically in that phrase, is either a minor threat or no threat at all. So yeah, so that's interesting. And that's why, as mentioned, I think it's at least partly about the marketing.

Kat (09:53)
Okay. Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow, interesting. Yeah, which makes a lot of sense. Wow. Okay. Yes. I see where you're going here. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm trying to adjust my pillow and I realized I do want it there. Okay. Okay. I do want it there. Okay. This, I see where you're going. Okay.

Tiffany (10:21)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

I do want it there.

Yeah, it's very interesting. So I found a quote or a couple quotes by Carly Matthews, is the vice president, she's young, vice president of communications with the American Conservation Coalition, which is an organization of young climate conscious conservatives. Say that five times fast. Climate conscious conservatives. In the past few years, she says that environmental rhetoric morphed from protecting the environment.

Kat (10:55)
Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (11:04)
quote unquote,

to preventing climate change. So we stopped talking so much about protecting the environment, started talking more about preventing climate change. And she says, because of this, well, not because of that necessarily. She says, progressives took the climate issue and really championed it and had their own solutions. Rather than coming to the table and offering distinct solutions, Republicans retreated and didn't acknowledge the issue at all or denied it.

Kat (11:33)
Okay.

Tiffany (11:34)
So she's blaming Democrats, which is one way to look at it. And she says, I don't think the problem here is that conservatives don't care about the environment or that everyone on the right side of the aisle wants to pump the air full of CO2. I think it's more that the politics around climate drove conservatives away. And rather than coming up with their own solutions, they just retreated. So it's interesting.

Kat (11:38)
Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Okay. And

yeah, and I mean, and you add that to, again, the Citizens United stuff we were talking about previously about how, you know, they're kind of blackmailed into not speaking about it. And then you add in, okay, so they don't necessarily listen to the Fox News talking points that climate change is a hoax. It's just, they feel cornered against talking about it. Okay.

Tiffany (12:15)
Yes.

Yeah, totally. now with Trump, it's even worse because exactly. Yeah. So yeah, I do find it.

Kat (12:34)
his way or the highway.

Tiffany (12:42)
I know, I find it, I find the whole thing really interesting, because it's like, it's so easy to say,

people are either climate change deniers or they're not or whatever, but there's like so much nuance. And I wanted to talk about the history of climate polarization and kind of like how we got here because it seems like it's always been like this, but it hasn't.

Kat (12:54)
Right.

Okay.

No, like you were talking about in the Citizens United, know, that Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich didn't add together, you know, like we forget, you know, that it was such a contentious point. Yeah, it's not always been that way.

Tiffany (13:15)
Yeah.

Newt Gingrich.

Yes.

Yeah. So, you know, as mentioned, currently, many Democrats emphasize the extremity of the global crisis, which is like 100 % because like when you think of this is what I was going to say. When you think of a climate activist, what do you think of? Yes. Or like, yes. Or somebody who doesn't wear shoes or somebody who. Yes.

Kat (13:47)
Oh, you think of Greta Thornburg, right? like, or someone chaining themselves to a tree or yeah.

Yeah. Dr. Braun or soap, that's all.

They drink it. They shop at Whole Foods or natural grocers and yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (14:02)
Yeah.

Yeah, roots.

Whole Foods is even like, probably these days. But yeah. Yeah. So it's like if somebody, if there's a whole movement and I think that in some ways is even alienating for Democrats because like, if you don't identify with it, then

Kat (14:11)
that's way too corporate. Yeah. Yeah.

absolutely. I think.

and I think that's kind of what this whole season has been about is that like, you know, climate action for non-activists, right? yeah, you're not out in the street marching with your grass. You know, I think I just, my internet just pooped out, it?

Tiffany (14:34)
Yes.

Thank you, Froze.

Are you going to come back? That's the question.

Alright, let me use my...

You're back! Alright. okay. Well, it's funny you didn't disappear. You just froze.

Kat (15:01)
Okay I'm back. Sorry. My internet just disconnected. decided it was time. Sorry. I just sat.

Yeah. Okay well that'll be easy to edit out then.

Tiffany (15:12)
Yeah, I put a clip now that I discovered this mark clip thing. I just marked it. Okay, you were saying that if you can't identify...

Kat (15:27)
Yeah, if you're not like, you know, I'm not ready to march on the street with my hand sewn grass made hemp fabric, you know, I'm not, yeah, I feel like it's kind of the thing you say about any movement. Like you say, well, maybe, maybe you're a climate activist and they're like, well, I'm not going to quit showering, you know? And it's like, well, that's a misconception about what that means. Things like that. Yeah.

Tiffany (15:49)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, and like maybe it's time. Well, not just maybe it's time that more people identify with it. So, I mean, we need to figure out how to make that happen. And luckily, we're marketing writers, so we kind of know something about it. But first, so I wanted to get into let me see when a good break time would be. I don't think this is going to be that long, actually. I was worried it was going to be like insanely long.

Kat (16:08)
Yeah, look at us!

Okay. Yeah, we were like,

that's the problem with notes is that they condense. Yeah.

Tiffany (16:24)
Yes, exactly.

So yeah, let's get into the history of climate polarization. So like I was saying, currently many Democrats are talking points are the world is ending, which I don't disagree with any this, but it's like, you know,

Kat (16:35)
Okay. Okay.

Tiffany (16:54)
extreme, extreme weather, we are doomed if we don't act now, just like a lot of very catastrophic talking points. While Republicans are on the other side and they're claiming that climate change is a liberal hoax. So, and that it's that our job are our

Kat (17:07)
right.

Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (17:23)
intention is to dismantle the capitalistic system that they know and love. I got that quote from somewhere and I'm like, well, they're not wrong. But how okay, so how did we get here? How do we get to these this much of an extreme on both sides? So it kind of started with Reagan. What do know?

Kat (17:28)
Right.

Yeah

Okay.

What do know?

Tiffany (17:52)
He had his intention was to reserve land for oil and gas extraction. So he appointed James Watt, who was an oil and gas lobbyist as the head of public lands. Yikes. He also encouraged the National Academy of Sciences to undermine and insinuate doubt in the proven sciences behind climate change. So he did lots of stuff that was very much

Kat (18:07)
yeah.

Okay.

Tiffany (18:21)
anti-climate action. Then George H.W. Bush came in, which was very interesting. I don't know really much about him, but apparently he was like a pretty staunch environmentalist. I didn't know that, which what happened to Bush Jr.? Anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he enacted a bunch of like pro-climate laws, basically like

Kat (18:35)
Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah.

oil and gas lobby. But yeah.

Tiffany (18:51)
and no Republican has followed suit since. So it's basically just flip-flopped based on who's in charge. So you got a Democrat in charge, you know, what's going to happen. You got a Republican in charge, you know, what's going to happen. Not necessarily anymore. know, what's going to happen, but you know what I mean? We don't know what's happening next in the next two minutes. And actually I think tonight is his speech, but I'm going to just.

Kat (19:01)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, that's I was gonna say. We never know. We don't know what's gonna happen anymore. But yeah.

to his speech. that's

Tiffany (19:20)
Listen to the highlights later. Read, not listen, read.

Kat (19:21)
we're just I don't even want to do that. I'm going to look at headlines and gloss over them as fast as I can.

Tiffany (19:28)
There you

go. That's not a bad idea. And so it seems like these two views, so one side is this like, it's like the environmental, but it's more than that. It's like, because I wrote environmental versus economic, but it's also like, there are a lot of Republicans who are pro-environment, you know what I mean?

Kat (19:57)
Yeah.

Tiffany (19:58)
So I don't even think it's fair to classify it that broadly, but Republicans began viewing climate change as a threat to the economy. Which yes it is, but it's also like climate change action as a threat to the economy. Yeah, instead of thinking like, oh, billions of dollars are being spent. Anyway, so then.

Kat (20:15)
instead of, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Tiffany (20:27)
Republicans have openly accused climate legislation of attempting to dismantle the capitalistic system because climate change questions the nature of our current economy, which is true because for decades we've been just going after an endless supply of resources for economic growth and the very belief that this has caused... Wait, what is this? And this is... yeah.

And then obviously environmental degradation came from that, from our just never, yeah, endless growth. And evidently addressing climate change requires the need for a different economic approach to resources, which is not wrong, right?

Kat (21:00)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Consumer based, yeah. Growth, growth, growth, growth, growth, yeah.

Correct.

Tiffany (21:21)
So, but for Republicans that's viewed as a threat because they don't like change. I mean, that's sort of like your conservative, your classic, yeah. And I'm not even shitting on anybody. It's just like the truth that if you have a more conservative mindset, you are less open to change. You like things to stay kind of status quo. Especially if you are...

Kat (21:27)
conservative. Yeah, you want things. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (21:48)
prosperous, know, if you are doing well. Whereas Democrats are much more open to change and often we're the ones like pushing for change. So let's take a quick break and then we will talk about a little bit about like Trump very briefly and then

Kat (21:49)
Right. Right.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Tiffany (22:17)
get into my thoughts on marketing climate change a little bit better.

Kat (22:21)
Okay,

I'm in.

Tiffany (22:40)
All right. So you're going to talk about Trump next week, so I'm not going to get too far into it, but I do have a couple lines just on the sort of like an example of where we are now, which you're going to really get in there. But like all of this history has led us to today and, and more, you know, just we are where we are. But so for example,

Kat (22:47)
Yeah.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (23:09)
I wanted to talk about the USDA freeze that Trump recently, well, actually, I think it was among his first flurry of executive orders. He cut funding for a lot of programs, and this is specific to the USDA, I think it applies more broadly, but because their names said climate. So there was one example, New York State.

Kat (23:32)
Right.

Tiffany (23:38)
had the climate resilient farming, my God, climate resilient farming program. And it was cut at least in part because the word climate was used in the grant. So it was targeted because of the word climate, even though these programs or this program, it was super popular on both sides of the aisle. So yuck.

Kat (23:51)
Right.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. It was to like upgrade watering equipment. I mean, wasn't like you're going to find your, wasn't like it was switching out your John Deere gas power tractor for an EV from a Chinese company. was like,

Tiffany (24:12)
Yeah.

Right,

well, depends on the program, but yeah.

Kat (24:24)
maybe right

but it that it it wasn't like yeah yeah

Tiffany (24:28)
No, I know. And we're going to talk about that, actually. Yeah,

because it's like, it's...

It's just kind of like, so climate, the word climate, I think we may have to stop using it. If we want this, yeah, if we want to make any sort of headroom, because I think we can all probably agree that it's going to take all of us together to actually get anything done, which is like, yes, of course it is. Look how stalled everything is right now. And the word climate is just so...

Kat (24:46)
I mean, yeah, okay.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Tiffany (25:09)
polarizing. my god. Yeah, you say anything about climate and it's just like, yes. Yes. One of the three. One of the three for sure. So maybe it's time to market these ideas better. So I kind of looked into like, for example, the states have these climate action plans. And hang on a second.

Kat (25:14)
people's eyes glaze over. Yeah. Or their hair sets on fire or they start foaming at the mouth. Yeah. Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (25:41)
Sorry I had to cough. I know.

Kat (25:42)
No, it's okay. I've been doing it. If you're watching

on YouTube, it's just me muting and coughing everything as the wind blows into my eyes and lungs. Dust. it's just, I took the dog for a walk twice today. So there's just dust, dust. Yeah. There's a haze over Austin today.

Tiffany (25:47)
Yeah, I know. It's like...

Why is there wind blowing in your lungs?

Oh, oh God, that sounds awful.

Ugh, no fun. For example, yeah, Jesus. So yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the states have these climate, a lot of states anyway. I think actually I was reading that like.

Kat (26:04)
No, my eyes are burning. Yes.

marketing. Yeah.

Tiffany (26:22)
48 of them do. They have climate action plans, which I love, but I love them, right? We probably, for example, that's just a good example. It's probably a bad idea to call them climate action plans if you're trying to appeal to the masses.

Kat (26:35)
Mm.

Right. If you want people to vote yes on it.

Tiffany (26:39)
Yeah. Or if you want those extra two states to get on board. so I was thinking about this and I thought about it like yesterday and I was like, man, is it, it's sort of like marketing a product, which is what I do, what you do, like what we do in our day jobs. We focus on like how to best sell a product and here we're best selling. We're trying to sell an idea.

Kat (26:42)
Mm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Tiffany (27:10)
And the thing that I have learned is that you don't want to focus on the product when you're marketing. You don't want to sit there and be like, this specific name that we as marketers came up with for this product is awesome. Like you're not going to get anybody's attention doing that.

Kat (27:16)
No.

Right. No.

You've got to solve, you've got to get into their brain and solve their problem for them. Yeah.

Tiffany (27:34)
Yes, exactly.

And in this case, you don't want to focus necessarily on the threat because climate change is the threat, right? That is the issue. And the thing is, like, nobody cares about your product name and nobody on the certain side of the aisle cares about climate change. So, yeah, like you said, you want to get in their brain and you want to focus on the solution. You want to focus on what will be achieved.

Kat (27:42)
right right right

Mm-hmm.

What I'm thinking of is the simplicity of the Clean Air Act. Like, who would fight against the Clean Air Act, right? Yes.

Tiffany (28:07)
Mm-hmm. Exactly. Exactly.

And so you want to think about what they, the customer, or in this case, they, the citizen, will get out of it. Clean air. Clean air.

Kat (28:20)
Okay, yeah,

so the Preventing Hurricanes Act, or preventing damage from hurricanes, or promoting the health of our farms, like the ability to produce food. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.

Tiffany (28:26)
There.

Yes, that's exactly it. Because I

this as an example. So the partnerships for climate smart commodities program was a farming program that was cut. Instead of calling it that, why don't we focus on what it does, which I read through their brief. It builds soil health. They plant cover crops. There's pasture and forest management. They do sequester carbon, which is interesting. They enhance productivity. They create expanded markets.

Kat (28:44)
Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (29:02)
What about calling it the partnerships for more resilient commodities? Something else. Yeah. I know commodities. It's like, why do you use that word?

Kat (29:06)
Yeah, or more resilient farming. mean, even simplify it further. Securing

a food future for our children. Like, yeah. And I think the same about, because this keeps coming up over and over, when they talk about the programs to electrify vehicle fleets and things like that, it creates jobs in red states. So instead of calling it like clean energy,

Tiffany (29:15)
Yes, exactly. Who is going to argue?

Kat (29:36)
whatever, just be like economic prosperity, you know, through innovation, you know, because it's another thing making us more competitive with China and Europe, all of those things, know, it's, it's rename it economic. It's an economic driver. mean, I, you know, leave the word green out of it, even though that is part of it. And if that's what people are opposed to is the terminology. No, completely. I agree.

Tiffany (29:37)
Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes. Right.

Yeah, because Trump wouldn't have even known what the hell this is if you call it partnerships for more resilient commodities. You know what I mean? The reason it got cut and the reason farmers are panicking is because it had the word climate in it. Which is so frustrating.

Kat (30:09)
Yeah, I've been

Yeah, I've

been trying to think about that for the word diversity, because there's a lot of things that have been cut just for the...

Tiffany (30:21)
This is, yes,

I have this exact note actually like next because it's like DEI because that's what I was reading.

Kat (30:26)
okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those.

Yeah. Like instead of calling it diversity, call it like creativity and innovation, you know, multiple voices. It just, even just changing one word because there's things that have been cut. For instance, you know, my boyfriend works in, the biology department at the university and a lot of the grants that they've been applying for, they've had to go through and try to change the titles of, cause diversity.

Tiffany (30:34)
Interesting.

Okay.

Kat (30:56)
in a biological setting means something. It's very specific, you know. Yes, and they can't apply to federal grants using the word diversity, even though it refers to like the diversity of frogs in a set, you know, instead of like, it's not about how many minorities we can hire. It's about how many frogs there are in a pasture and what

Tiffany (30:58)
Right.

Yeah, there's more than one definition. Yeah.

my god.

Kat (31:20)
what how different they are from each other, you know, so they have to find they have to like control F the word diversity and it's so stupid. But that's exactly what where we are right now. Yeah.

Tiffany (31:21)
This is crazy.

Wow. It's the same thing. Yep.

Yeah, exactly. Because that's what I was reading. It's like DEI is a dead term. Like at this point, you can't use that term anymore. And that's OK. Like I was reading an article written by somebody who works for DEI policies. And she was basically like, it doesn't mean we can't implement the same policies just under different names. Yeah.

Kat (31:37)
Yeah. No. Yeah.

Right. We just have to rename them. And

I think, you know, since we both work in, we've both worked in corporate spaces, they talk a lot about like stupid corporate jargon and metaphors. And it does need to change, know, because I feel like, again, with words like diversity, equity and inclusion, they get overused, people's eyes glaze over. You know, one of the reasons we stopped saying global warming and moved to climate change, because it's a more exact phrase, but again, it starts to mean something else.

Tiffany (32:03)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Kat (32:23)
when it has like a metaphorical connotation in our consciousness and we have to find more impactful words to use that are more exact. And that has to change all the time. Like anytime something becomes a buzzword, it's time to move on to something else, even if it served a purpose.

Tiffany (32:30)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes. I mean, I'm just thinking about like

my reaction, which

I'm trying to think if I could get on board with this one ever. But like my reaction to Make America Great Again, it's like theoretically there could be some... It's hard. That's a harder one. But like, you know, your gut reaction is just like, ugh.

Kat (32:57)
Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, well,

and you're just seeing the hat, feels like a hate crime, you know, because it's

Tiffany (33:05)
Yes. Yeah. Anybody wearing

a Nat's hat around DC? I'm like, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Kat (33:09)
Yeah, a red hat gets really scary, you know, which

is, again, it's become a cultural metaphor, and it means something different to different people. it that is, again, that's a scary thing, you know. I agree. There's a lot of there's a lot of those out there.

Tiffany (33:15)
Yes.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So it's really interesting. Whereas it's like making America great, like, cool. You know what I mean? Like, again, is the hard part. But anyway. Yeah. A lot of us. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, you know, we don't. Nobody does, really. Right. But yeah. Right. Right. Yeah.

Kat (33:31)
Yeah.

I make America great, period. Let's make America great. That, yeah. I mean, I don't know what again refers to, you know. Yeah, that's kind of a dog whistle. yeah, make America great, period.

Tiffany (33:50)
It's so interesting. So yeah, it's funny that you said that because I was going to make that exact, I think that's like a perfect analogy. It's like the DEI. And then I wanted to end on like a.

Kat (34:00)
Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (34:07)
Inspiring note, I guess you could say. So of just like a bipartisan example of one nonprofit that's used by like a bipartisan, a specifically bipartisan climate plan. Like that's their goal. It's actually called the Pennsylvania Bipartisan Climate Initiative. Actually don't. Right, exactly.

Kat (34:08)
Yeah, we like, I like inspiration, yeah.

Okay. And we don't like that word climate, but whatever.

Tiffany (34:37)
call it something else.

But they said that they specifically use the word bipartisan in their title because they wanted that was their goal. know, they wanted people to be open and feel welcome. Yeah. And so it's a nonprofit that aims to educate the population. And this is specifically to Pennsylvania, but we'll get into how it's actually broader than that.

Kat (34:48)
cooperation, which I love.

Yeah, non-combative, yeah.

Tiffany (35:04)
on how to use the environmental rights amendment.

Kat (35:09)
This, okay, this I'm interested in.

Tiffany (35:11)
Yes. So, because I was like, did you talk about this at all in your episode? Because I didn't want to cover it if you did. But so this was a Pennsylvania amendment from 1971 after a series of mining disasters and other things had happened that guarantees clean air, water, and the preservation of natural resources for current and future residents of the Commonwealth. Isn't that so interesting?

Kat (35:34)
I like that. Okay.

Yeah.

Tiffany (35:37)
But

it's from 1971, nobody really used it, barely anybody even knows about it.

Kat (35:40)
That's...

Yeah, I... Yeah.

Tiffany (35:44)
So the entire goal of this nonprofit is to teach people how to use it, to stand up for their rights, basically. And they're saying citizens shouldn't have to sue to use their rights, even though that can be effective. Well, fingers crossed, I don't know. We're not totally sure yet, but they should be able to bring this amendment up.

Kat (35:51)
That's cool. Yeah.

Tiffany (36:13)
at zoning meetings or in conversations with elected officials and have them take action because it's their right. And so they work with Republicans, they work with Democrats, they work with churches, they work with medical professionals. They work kind of like, I think they've so far they're new. They're like from 2022 or 2023 and they've had like six meetings so far.

Kat (36:18)
Yeah, basically, it's the law. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (36:42)
And maybe this actually, the article might've been like a year old, but yeah, so that's like their whole thing. They have meetings with different groups of people and they teach them how, I think they had one with like young people, like people who are students. to teach them how they could use this amendment, like in their favor. And it turns out I was like, wow, that's really cool for Pennsylvania. What about the rest of it?

Kat (36:51)
That's so cool.

Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (37:10)
turns out there's more than just Pennsylvania. Yeah, which I had no idea. six other states have these environmental rights amendments, New York, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Montana. Montana. so in New York, residents have used the ERA or their ERA to challenge private landfill companies for their greenhouse gas emissions and to protest PFAS pollution.

Kat (37:26)
Okay. Montana.

Tiffany (37:40)
Those are lawsuits that are still pending. So we don't know the outcome yet, but they're in works in progress. In Montana, kids, teens and young adults are using theirs to argue that the state legislators are required to act to stop climate change and that they need to effectively ban fracking. That's like what they're fighting for. and California and New Jersey.

Kat (38:01)
well, okay.

Tiffany (38:08)
Their legislatures are currently considering their own ERAs. So they're expanding. Maryland doesn't have one, which pissed me off.

Kat (38:14)
Yeah, I'm kind of surprised New Mexico doesn't have one.

Tiffany (38:17)
Yeah, Michigan, Arizona and New Mexico have considered them in the past. So they didn't make it through, but they have considered them. But yeah, I'm like, man, I need to, should I like tell my states, state representatives to get on it on a Maryland ERA? But I just thought that was really a cool example of

Kat (38:20)
Okay. Okay.

Yeah, I wonder.

Tiffany (38:46)
a non-profit, a group, whatever, an effort to make.

American Gradient.

Kat (38:53)
Yeah, make climate change

cool again.

Tiffany (38:57)
Yes, exactly. yeah, to just like rally people from all different backgrounds for the same cause.

Kat (38:58)
MCCA. MCCCA.

BKKK.

Again, yeah, clean air, clean water, know, trees.

Tiffany (39:16)
Yes, what was it? Clean?

Because the actual amendment says guarantees clean air, water, and the preservation of natural resources for the current and future residents of the Commonwealth. The future residents is the coolest part.

Kat (39:30)
Yeah,

that's really, boy, that's gotta be hard to litigate in court though. I wonder about that. But yeah, mean, yeah.

Tiffany (39:33)
Right? I don't know.

I think we need to think about it differently. And it's, think one of the biggest struggles, because I can see myself falling into this, is needing to be absolutely right or needing to have like the perfect solutions. Because a lot of times the argument will come up and has come up with like, no, we need to completely get rid of

Kat (39:55)
Yes.

All oil and gas, yeah. Right, or lumber, or yeah.

Tiffany (40:10)
all oil and gas usage. And then the other side's right.

The other side's going to be like, no. So yeah, I mean, that's that's the hard part of being bipartisan and working together. But I do think if we

I think any step toward better is good.

Kat (40:39)
Yes, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. And also don't make enemies of possible collaborators. The vilification of the other side, first of all, obscures the fact that there isn't really one side or another. are as many sides as there are human beings. We all have different experiences and different opinions. so, again, that's a really modern sentiment, this need to...

Tiffany (40:42)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes.

Kat (41:09)
I'm right and you're wrong and I have to prove you wrong takes up way more energy than, okay, well, what do we have in common? know, and it's, yeah. Social media and also like, let's be honest, Russia and China have been trying to get us to do this to each other for, since the cold war, you know? So yeah, they're, benefit when we all fight in fighting, you know, when our Congress can't do anything because it's just, you're right. I'm or I'm right. You're wrong. You're evil.

Tiffany (41:11)
It is.

Yes, I think social media plays a big part.

No, really. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Kat (41:39)
Not only are you wrong, but you're evil, you know? And we can't even talk about things as a society, as a legal system, you know? There's no, this disintegration of the common ground is, we do it to ourselves, but then, you know, there's all kinds of factors that feed into it. And I agree. And it really does, I get my hackles up.

I have a hard time with it too, but when someone says, I can't talk to so-and-so anymore because they voted for her.

Tiffany (42:13)
Same.

Kat (42:14)
Cause

I feel the same. like, I don't know. I feel this moral, you know, I'm like, you don't, you don't see this as like a moral obligation and a moral issue. you know, like, but at the same time, you know, when I'm ready and I'm not so angry, you know, and to say, okay, well, what do we agree on? You know, what do we agree on? And you can find something with anyone and that's.

Tiffany (42:22)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Kat (42:44)
so much better than just hating everyone all the time, you know?

Tiffany (42:47)
Yeah,

but then a lot of people on the left, probably on the right too, now that think about it, would villainize you for thinking that. And I struggle with that so much because it's like, maybe they're right, you know? Like maybe they're right. I don't know. But I have family, like my close close family members. I'm not going to... have I called them less recently? Yes. But I'm not going to completely cut them out of my life.

Kat (42:55)
100%.

See ya.

Right,

exactly. I have to take time. I'm too charged to talk about certain issues, for sure.

Tiffany (43:22)
Yeah, it's not

even worth it. It's so pointless for me to talk to my family members about Trump. It's like they're coming at it exactly from where I'm coming at it, where they're like, they can't believe that I didn't vote for him. So because they're there, it's like so pointless, but that doesn't mean I have to cut them out of my life. You know what I mean? And I really hate it.

Kat (43:45)
Right. And just,

just because somebody voted for Trump, and I hate to say this, I know that just because somebody voted for Trump doesn't mean that they understood or agree with every single thing he's done. A lot of them, you know, and I think about that, like, if I voted Democrat in the past, like, do I agree with everything that any single political politician has done ever? No. You know,

Tiffany (43:57)
Yeah. I know.

Right.

Yeah.

Kat (44:15)
have I preferred one over the other because of certain things? Yeah, for sure. So yeah, that that kind of understanding of that like

painting people with a broad brush, especially because of political, by, you know, political polarization, it just makes us weaker as a people.

Tiffany (44:35)
Right.

Yeah, I totally agree. Because then it's like they don't have any liberals anymore who are like, you know, in their daily lives. So if I cut myself out from my family, they're not gonna have, I don't think they wouldn't, well, that's not true. They would know some liberals, but like.

Kat (44:47)
Yeah.

Tiffany (44:57)
I don't know. There are people on Facebook that I went to high school with or whatever, and I specifically make it a point to still talk to them, even though they're raging conservatives, partially because I want to be like, hey, I'm not evil, even though I know you think I am, or at least it's easy for you to classify me that way. I'm a person.

Kat (45:04)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah. Yeah, it does. And it's hard to, hard to come back to that. It is very difficult. It is very difficult.

Tiffany (45:26)
And I think it goes both ways. I don't know.

It is

hard. And I'm like, maybe in 10 years I'll be like, my God, like, obviously I should have cut them out of my life and I was wrong for not yelling at them at Thanksgiving or like whatever. But where I am today, it's just like, is it hard? Yeah, it sucks to have them disagree so fundamentally with me about

what is a good world. But. I don't know, I'm not.

Kat (46:09)
Yeah,

that's another philosophical and moral conversation I don't think we can have on this podcast.

Tiffany (46:16)
Right.

Kat (46:19)
I mean, on some level, all Americans are evil for participating in the consumer system period. If you have ever bought something fast fashion, you're evil. I had a dream several years ago, and I think about this a lot, about I got to heaven and it was St. Peter or whoever said, okay, if you want to get into heaven, can you name every aunt you killed?

Tiffany (46:24)
Yeah. Right.

Right.

Whoa, that was your dream? Wow, talk about religious trauma.

Kat (46:48)
That was my dream was that you had to well, but I mean

if you think about it, it's like where we draw these moral lines, you know, like as Americans we don't consider a lot of things that are probably morally really bad like where our clothing comes from how many underpaid children, you know, sewed a sweatshirt or our food production. Yeah, like

Tiffany (46:56)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, who's doing our pedicure?

Kat (47:19)
All of these things that we just kind of enjoy as comfort, know, how much energy that we use, actually, you know, every data center that we put up to support our Instagram habit, how much does that, you know, and yeah, like.

Tiffany (47:22)
Mm-hmm.

Yes. How many kids we're having?

Kat (47:38)
on a cosmological scale or like a worldwide scale, like, aren't we all guilty of these things? You know? So where do you draw the line? You know, like, I don't know. It's a...

Tiffany (47:44)
Right.

Yeah. Yeah. And then it's like that

other, other quote that I read that like Nazis had their reasons for voting for, or supporting Hitler. Yeah. But they're still Nazis. Right. but yeah, they're still Nazis. And it's like, wow, that really got me. And I still haven't like grappled with it, but

Kat (48:01)
or standing in line, yeah. Or not even supporting, just not fighting against, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, that's a big, I also think.

We talked about this some, like referring to like comparing the Trump regime to Nazism is a little much of an oversimplification. There's it's different, you know.

Tiffany (48:28)
Yeah.

Yeah, and also I think that's sort of like a pointing fingers in a way because what everyone says about the Nazi regime looking back on it, it's like the lesson is that we can all do that. Like we all have that capacity and we have to fight against it and that's sort of the point.

Kat (48:50)
Mm-hmm. Right.

And be fully aware. Yeah. And I've, you know, I've said...

Tiffany (48:55)
But then saying,

so then saying like, they're still Nazis. It's like, I don't know.

Kat (49:00)
You're still an Amazon consumer. mean, that's my, that's the thing I say is like, Jeff Bezos said he wanted to ruin bookstores. And we all said, okay, you know, because it's convenient to get my dog food shipped to my door. And it's like, it's okay. Okay. That's fine. Right. And so like to have to take the time to stop, you know, I get it. I feel like

Tiffany (49:02)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

because we feel like we don't have time.

Kat (49:30)
It's an American problem. We don't have time. We work too much. We have to be all these places. Our kids are, don't get enough attention, you know, already. And so to have one less thing to worry about as a busy mom, I don't even have kids, you know, I get it. Convenience is a busy time. Just, you know, one less trip I have to make the grocery store feels great to me. And I don't blame anyone for that. I get it. But at the same time, like now that I'm aware of it, I'm never shopping on Amazon again.

Tiffany (49:33)
Mm-hmm.

A busy dog,

Yeah.

Right.

Right, yeah. Yeah. It's almost like a challenge. I've challenged myself. like, OK, I feel like I'll go to Staples. You know what I mean? Like, I'll go in person to Staples and just see what's up. Because, hey, Staples isn't nearly as evil. Is there like a local office supply store? I don't know. Yeah.

Kat (50:00)
even if it means an extra step for me, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

I think that's a thing. don't think, think they've all been run out of business by, know,

but no time like the present, you know, I'll look into it. Or do I really need that thing? That's the other thing. Do I really need that thing? I don't. So yeah, we're

Tiffany (50:26)
Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah.

Kat (50:41)
Yeah, we're in a really, it's really hard to de vilify people that we don't agree with, even though there's no way you agree with everyone, even on your side, 100%. You know, we just have to recognize.

Tiffany (50:47)
Yes.

Yeah, totally.

And it's also so easy for people to just like say shit on both sides. Like to say, I feel like the Democrats do this sort of the opposite, but like they'll say, this racism stuff has to stop. But then they'll like turn around and say something super racist. And you're like, well, okay, it's really easy to be vague about this stuff. But then when it comes down to like your day to day, well.

Kat (51:18)
No, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (51:28)
Maybe you need, maybe there's some work to do.

So, I don't know.

Kat (51:33)
what is it? The saying they used to say at church. Remember when you point a finger at somebody else, you've got three other fingers pointed right back at you, right? Like take the plank out of your own eye before you get the speck of dust out of someone else's. That's, that's in the Bible. That's in the book of Matthew. But yeah.

Tiffany (51:46)
Right.

There you go. There you go. Yeah.

I mean, my grandpa was a, my grandpa Herschel, who I mentioned was a Lord preacher. Um, I was like, I can never remember pastor, preacher, definitely not a priest anyway. Uh, preacher. He always said like church would be perfect if it wasn't for all the people, which I love.

Kat (51:56)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yes. Well, my dad,

think he used to, think Groucho Marx said, maybe not, but my dad always said, you know, if you could find the perfect church, they definitely wouldn't want you as a member.

Tiffany (52:22)
Yeah, totally. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard. It's very hard. But it's interesting that you're kind of in the same boat because it's so easy to be like, nah.

Kat (52:38)
Well, and right now it's just, I don't want to look at it on Facebook.

Tiffany (52:39)
Plus if you don't have any friends

or family who voted the other way, that's so easy to be like, how dare you congregate with the other? But if you have, if your mother, if it's your mom, what are you gonna do? You know?

Kat (52:44)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. for sure. Yeah. Mm hmm.

Yeah. I, yeah, I, I don't, I don't judge anyone who feels like they can't talk to their family if they, know, and it's definitely, there are issues like for instance, I have to, yeah, I, I, especially like if you're trans or gay, like there's,

Tiffany (53:07)
I don't blame people, yeah, for not.

god, yeah.

Kat (53:19)
Or, you know, I mean, there's a lot of eugenics stuff that's going around in Trump circles and that's dangerous. And yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (53:24)
Right.

Yo no, I'm not saying anyone should- well, I guess we are kind of saying that. But I'm

not- yeah, I'm not saying-

No, you're right. Yes. Yeah, totally.

Kat (53:35)
You set your own boundaries, I think is what we're saying.

I know, I don't have anyone in my direct family who voted for Trump, but I know people who did or set the election out who I don't think are just, I don't think that they're just evil for it. I do think there are some people that I don't want to talk to anymore because of their political views.

Tiffany (53:51)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, and

that's okay.

Kat (54:03)
I'm

not, they're not invited to the party, you know, but, but yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (54:06)
Mm-hmm. Hold on a sec. What

are you doing?

God. Anna and Elsa. No, I just, we need Anna and Elsa. they're in the basement in Arendelle.

Kat (54:12)
is it time to wrap this up so you can handle something in the family?

Makes perfect sense to me. A sentence that could only be muttered by a current, a modern mom, for sure.

Tiffany (54:26)
I'm gonna go to sleep.

God, they're in their beds in Arendelle, you know. Yeah, I know this was really fun. This was a good conversation, feel like.

Kat (54:36)
and Arundel as you do.

I

think we should call this one, climate change needs better PR or needs new marketing. Climate change needs new marketing.

Tiffany (54:53)
Love it. Climate change needs

new marketing.

Kat (54:57)
There's like a whole joke in like former Christian circles about like Jesus needs new PR.

Tiffany (55:03)
that's true actually, because a lot of what Jesus did for her is pretty cool. But it's been co-opted. Yeah, totally. That's very relevant. All right, cool. So what do we each? wait, do we want to do one good thing?

Kat (55:06)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. Same with environmental action. A lot of it's pretty cool.

Yeah, sure. Let's see. Good things this week.

Tiffany (55:28)
I had one in mind

and now it's totally left my brain.

Kat (55:33)
I guess I could say I had the conversation about my roommate moving out and Sean moving in. That's a, I mean, it won't change much for this podcast, but yeah, it just feels, yeah. I've, I have pretty much always had roommates just for economic purposes. unless I was married or living with a significant other. and it is different to live with a significant other. So I'm looking forward to it. Although I will say my roommate has been a delight. He's lovely. I've never had like.

Tiffany (55:34)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I bet that's a relief.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Yeah.

Kat (56:03)
Nightmare roommates. I've had some, yeah, they've all been okay. I don't know if we have. I've had like bad experiences with roommates who went off the rails. Like one roommate went off the rails at the end, but like she was fine the rest of the time. But for the most part, I wonder if I'm the nightmare roommate. Maybe that's, I don't know.

Tiffany (56:04)
What? Have we talked about this before? Okay, I have had so many.

Okay. Huh. Interesting.

No, I cannot imagine that.

No, I've had such... I had a roommate who was, I will say, the annoying kind of vegan. No, wait, she wasn't even vegan. She was vegetarian, for God's sake. Yes. I would be cooking... One day I was cooking a steak and I was super excited about it and she came down and she's like...

Kat (56:27)
possible.

Really? Just preachy, preachy, preachy?

Tiffany (56:49)
That smells bad. And I'm like, can you just leave? Can you get out of my face? And this is, it's so much more than just the vegetarianism, but she, we had this one grill that we had used for ever with meat, with non-meat, with everything, one grill. For my birthday barbecue, she forced, I will say she didn't force me, but she,

Kat (56:53)
Yeah. Yeah.

Right. Yeah.

Tiffany (57:19)
heavily insisted that I get a second girl for her vegetarian friends. And, you know, I was like very young and didn't know really how to stand up for myself very well. So I did. And it just blew up into this like whole thing. But it was just like, anyway, that was like, that was actually very, it was traumatic because she would like just

Kat (57:24)
Wow, okay.

Right.

my god, yeah.

Yeah, that's nightmarish.

Tiffany (57:46)
fling open my door. It was just like a whole thing.

Kat (57:49)
Okay,

so it's never just one thing with a nightmare. See, that's the thing. If it's like one issue that you had, like everybody has issues, but like if it's multiple repeatedly, there's something else going on. Yeah. Like that's a nightmare roommate. Like I have friends right now who have nightmare roommates and it's like, whoa. You know, I'm like, the only complaint I have is sometimes he leaves dishes in the sink, you know, sometimes, you know, like he.

Tiffany (57:51)
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

yeah. Yeah.

Ugh, man.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. I've had so

many. I've had several really good roommates too, but I've just had it's either like awesome or terrible. I don't know what it is. I just got like cursed, but. But in that same house, I met one of my current best friends because we like, you know, went like trauma bonding with against her. So we stayed in touch because of that probably. So that's good. One good thing.

Kat (58:20)
Yeah.

You

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Tiffany (58:40)
I started every morning journaling and I got this paper planner. I don't have it here, but it's called the motherboard, which I love, but it's sort of like a planner designed for moms with ADHD specifically. Yeah. And I don't know if I have it. We've talked about this a little bit before, but don't we all? But it's been a really lovely way to wake up. And it's also helped me like

Kat (58:45)
nice.

cool. even better!

feel like, yeah, we all do at this point, yeah.

Tiffany (59:10)
of plan out my day a little bit better. yeah, bullet journaling was so much work. So now...

Kat (59:13)
I need to get back into bullet journalism.

Yeah, that for me, I can't do all the design elements, but I

had like, if I just have one thing where I can just write down my to-do list, which is great, cause then I, yeah, like what, what I need to do today. Yeah, exactly. And I, and just having it in, in one notebook rather than like 40 notes scattered across apps. Yeah.

Tiffany (59:25)
huh. Yeah, there are simple ways to do it. It helps my brain a lot. Yeah. Otherwise I'm just like scrambling around.

Post-its and notes

apps and calendar. Yeah. Yup. Yeah. I mean, it's, I'm not perfect with it. And I think that's one thing I struggle with is like, feel like if I'm to do it, I have to do it perfectly. So I've just, yes, exactly. So I'm just kind of like scribbling and changing stuff. And it's like sort of a general idea of what my day is going to look like. obviously it never really turns out that way, but it does help my mental state. So, yeah. So that's been really good.

Kat (1:00:07)
That is it.

Tiffany (1:00:08)
what's your phone doing?

Kat (1:00:12)
I turned it on do not disturb apparently I turned it off but yeah people are just blowing it up alright sorry

Tiffany (1:00:16)
It's too popular.

Okay, so what are we talking about next week? We did talk about this a little bit already, but...

Kat (1:00:22)
yeah,

I'm, it's going to be less uplifting about just in the last month and a of the Trump administration, what, what executive orders have been done and how they impact us personally. And, you know, kind of some perspective on that. hopefully I end with a little bit more hope than it sounds like, but I liked.

Tiffany (1:00:41)
Yes.

No, I think it's so

important though because I've been really curious but there's so much going on that I haven't been able to follow everything.

Kat (1:00:50)
Well, yeah, even after I wrote it like yesterday,

some news came up that I'm like, do I need to that in? so, yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (1:00:55)
Right? Oy. Yeah. So,

but as of today, this is the current.

Kat (1:01:01)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm just gonna

go over like seven main things that... yeah. Okay.

Tiffany (1:01:06)
Okay, very cool. All right,

well, I'm looking forward to it, even if it's going to be depressing, but that's fine. All righty, start the music. Where can people find us?

Kat (1:01:10)
Okay. Okay. All right. All right.

You

We're on Instagram at Greening Up My Act, also Facebook at Greening Up My Act, or YouTube if you want to watch us in person at Greening Up My Act. Yep. Yeah. And check out our Patreon episode, patreon.com slash Greening Up My Act. Yeah. Okay. Have a good one.

Tiffany (1:01:28)
See our pretty faces. cool. yeah. Commiserate. All right. I'll talk to you later.

Okay. Bye.


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Kat Cox

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Tiffany Verbeck

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