New Music - Hannah Frances! Cindy Lee! English Teacher! Shabaka! Magick Brother & Mystic Sister!

Iain and Andrew are Taking Care Of Business on the latest @weheardwonders (don’t ask them why - it just felt right, alright?). Join them for juicy music-based discussion covering avant-folk artist Hannah Frances, word-of-mouth indie-sensation Cindy Lee, the accomplished, well-read English Teacher, reed-master Shabaka Hutchings, and Barcelona’s psych-fantasists Magick Brother & Mystic Sister. Finally, a whoop-inducing flute-led banger has the Vinyl Word. Listen to We Heard Wonders on your podcast platform of choice; tell your friends that we’re back; like, subscribe and recommend; catch up with previous editions and support the show by buying us a Coffee (link in the show’s bio).

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Andrew's iPhone: Scared of business.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, absolutely. The right idea.

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Andrew's iPhone: We were clutching in the dark for an intro.

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Andrew's iPhone: I got that freeze into my head for some reason, and it just felt right. So there we go.

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Andrew's iPhone: They are very similar. But when turnover, driver, outcast.

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Andrew's iPhone: I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. How are you? I see you're in your new location this week. New new vicinities.

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Andrew's iPhone: I must say from the bit that I can see it does look quite mankv.

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Andrew's iPhone: Classic classic sign of a man cave.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I've just been back at work this week just trying to readjust to that. Really nothing too exciting, I'm afraid.

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Andrew's iPhone: although I do have tickets to see Jane Weaver next week. So I'm looking forward to that.

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Andrew's iPhone: This is a standby until the music room is done.

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, I'm quite enjoying it and hear them.

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Andrew's iPhone: Okay, I feel like, once we get to this stage.

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Andrew's iPhone: we should maybe just kind of just like, let it pass. But I why not. My name is Andrew. I buy records and sometimes write about them on Instagram at Kit, Ag. 86.

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Alternate Line: at Deadlane shakes. I'm also just gonna see upfront cause. I normally leave this to the end of the podcast but if you do enjoy our pods, and you listen to us every week. Thanks so much, and please subscribe and give us all the thumbs up, and 5 stars and all that jazz please. You can follow us on Instagram as well. We heard wonders. If you want to support the podcast you're probably seeing yourself right. Now.

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Alternate Line: They can, they actually can. Yes, they can go to www.by me a coffee.com slash. We heard wonders, and for the price of an iced white moca. You can support the ongoing running costs of this podcast alright. So what we got today.

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Andrew's iPhone: This week. We've got brand new music from Hannah Francis

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Andrew's iPhone: Sunday. Lee.

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Andrew's iPhone: English teacher.

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Andrew's iPhone: Shabaka.

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Andrew's iPhone: and magic brother and mystic sister.

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Andrew's iPhone: Well, yeah, I mean, it just had to be done, doesn't it? You know, given what we do for work used, it's just too tempting not to bring it in so.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, go on! But I I can't promise me it'll be any better. In fact, I could promise it'll be worse.

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Andrew's iPhone: And and yes, she just does it really, really? Well, I think. And last week, when you're asking me about my standard releases of the year so far, and this was one of the ones that I mentioned alongside a few of us, and it was like the only one that I mentioned, that we hadn't played so far

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Andrew's iPhone: Good. Yeah. I mean, I had a kind of similar reaction to it. Really. This is. This is my first kind of introduction to Hannah Francis. But even though it's you know, she's quite a few albums deep now.

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Andrew's iPhone: And but no, I I immediately heard this track, and just immediately liked it.

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Andrew's iPhone: and this track is kind of instructive of of the album as a whole. So you've got like fantastic musicianship.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, of course. But yeah, but I also makes complete sense when you listen to it's like it could only go that way. Kind of thing. As you say, it's a very kind of novel

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Andrew's iPhone: and, as you say, it's got that kind of richness to the production as well, but kind of flinty richness, you can tell. It's being like. I thought you should record this in the woods in Vermont, and you can kind of tell that. And

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Andrew's iPhone: and I've got as well as being a guitarist and vocalist. She's a movement artist.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so that's the first that's the track that I've chosen. It's called flesh and blood.

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Andrew's iPhone: So maybe we could play the track, and then maybe talk a bit more about it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Do what? And Bro buildings song braking. So I think that's maybe something when you're talking about the kind of nostalgia of it, but also the charm of it and the kind of immediacy of it as well. It's it's kind of. They're kind of using a lot of those kind of classic rock structures and pop structures. And but just bring in a lot of kind of interesting guitar effects as well. A lot of kind of interesting production touches, and it just creates this really cool.

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Andrew's iPhone: to describe it. And yeah, it's kind of got that kind of luncheon thing as well. Yeah, kind of stepping into like a David lunch home or something like that. But yeah, I just really really enjoy it. I think it does. It's just

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Andrew's iPhone: that kind of nostalgia that you're talking about. So I think, as I say, just a kind of certain kind of indie fan is just really responding to that kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: and the whole package. Really, I think, yeah, and it's just it's just just a really kind of cool

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Andrew's iPhone: as I say kind of word, the mouth story. Really, that's just kind of come out of nowhere.

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Andrew's iPhone: And you know you've got this pitch for review as well. That's gonna make it

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Andrew's iPhone: and th they're on tour just now, and apparently like once the tour is finished they're gonna press up

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Alternate Line: But yeah, so is it. Is it like a sort of marketing genius thing, or is it? Is it a mist, you know, just as a happenstance, you know. A happy accent. Kind of thing. Who knows? Does it matter? Not? Really? Probably. I I will. I will return to

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Andrew's iPhone: the link for the album. It goes up and like it sounds like nothing I've ever heard. But everything. I've always loved

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Andrew's iPhone: something like that. It's it's kind of got that that to it.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so there's there's a lot of kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: elements of, as I say, things like the kind of pro build and pop and do up, and the velvet underground galaxy. 500,

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Andrew's iPhone: 20 tens, India things like deer, hunter, and unknown, more orchestra and things like that. So there's there's a lot of those things in there

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Andrew's iPhone: But it yeah, it just doesn't sound exactly like that. And we haven't been said.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, absolutely. We haven't really said to Cindy Lee is yet so Cindy Lee is the

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Andrew's iPhone: climbed up alter ego of Canadians, songwriter, guitarist, and dry performer, Patrick Flagell.

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Andrew's iPhone: and they were previously the front person of

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Andrew's iPhone: a group called Women

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Andrew's iPhone: who are this.

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Andrew's iPhone: a cool post punk band of the late

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Andrew's iPhone: who who had a couple of really kind of critically acclaimed records.

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Andrew's iPhone: And but then the the bank. I fill out one of the other members of the group passed away as well, and then that that kind of led to that group

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Andrew's iPhone: So then you had Patrick going one way, and you had some of the other band mates going on to form a group called Preoccupations, who are quite a cool

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Andrew's iPhone: But then yes. So since then Patrick's made several records of Sunday, Lee.

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Andrew's iPhone: and and they kind of have gone that kind of more traditional way of of just kind of, you know, releasing records. And for for a record label and things like that. So they kind of clearly have probably tried to do something a little bit different here.

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Andrew's iPhone: and, as you say, it just seems to really kind of pay dividends.

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Andrew's iPhone: and they're getting more attention than they ever ever have. So

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Andrew's iPhone: yeah, fair fair play.

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Andrew's iPhone: I think the the record really kind of backs up, and it's just one of those ones that I think the the phrase I used for you was, you try and dive into it if you get a chance, and it's just one of those ones that you can just dive into. There's just

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Andrew's iPhone: just just the kind of you know. It's just the treasure trove of of of tunes and styles and things to kind of latch onto. And every time that I've gone back the record you you get more highlights

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Alternate Line: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna catch your next metaphor of diving into traverse treasure trove. See? That I I I did dive in. And then it was a little bit worried that I was going to be drowned in, because it's so massive, and there's so much to to grab hold of, and then it felt just like a gentle, you know, a gentle backstroke. Breaststroke.

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Alternate Line: So it's a cumulative process as opposed to like this is all recorded 2 months ago, or whatever which I also think is cool. You know.

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Andrew's iPhone: Sounds good. He's on mute.

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Andrew's iPhone: and that are really really nice. So I think that there is a little bit of thought to it. But.

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Andrew's iPhone: as you say, you could, you could potentially, just.

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, click 30 min in

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Andrew's iPhone: on, on the on the Youtube link. And you and you would.

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Andrew's iPhone: you know you're you're you're gonna find a good track, and then you're gonna enjoy a nice nice portion of the records.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Right, right.

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Alternate Line: Anyway. Right? I'm conscious now that we've been podcasting for like 45 min for 2 tracks, and so we probably should move on. I think we could probably talk about this.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Strip.

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Alternate Line: I mean, it would be list. It would probably barely scrape the surface as well. Anyway, I think we're both seeing.

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Andrew's iPhone: Definitely.

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Andrew's iPhone: Please.

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Alternate Line: All the plans were tiptoed around. Quiet, Alice. Daffodil buds! There is a reason the first 9 months doesn't count.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, absolutely. This is a cool name, guys.

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Andrew's iPhone: They show me.

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Andrew's iPhone: Anybody who does this or is involved with it in any way has got to be cool. Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Bodies.

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Alternate Line: And then and then I looked at pictures of the people who recorded it. I went. I knew you were gonna look like that. I knew you were gonna be 20 and 19 and things. I knew it because it is so filled with like enthusiasm. And it's like a really irreplaceable irreplaceable track this one it's

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Andrew's iPhone: Okay, yeah. So I'll give you additional about background about who they are. I mean you. As you say, they are kind of very young, secondly, young, and

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Andrew's iPhone: the the young as as a group is well, they only formed in 2020,

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Andrew's iPhone: and so there are British group from Leeds.

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Andrew's iPhone: and cause, I think, or

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Andrew's iPhone: of a vocalist, Lily Fontaine, Guitarist, Lewis Whiting, Drummer, Douglas Frost and Bassist, Nicholas Eden.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, th this is from the just released. Debut album, which is called this could be Texas, which is came out via Island records. So they are in a major label.

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Andrew's iPhone: and which is, which is quite impressive. For for such a young group and home to last dinner party as well. Who we who we talked a bit before. So they've kind of got that. There's a little bit of the kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: yeah

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Andrew's iPhone: we could. We could say, maybe, whether you think they're better or not. But and but yeah, there's something about that kind of yeah kind of youthful.

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Andrew's iPhone: A well produced

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Andrew's iPhone: major label backing, but also quite cool and quite contemporary as well, and and this track was released last year. It was one of a time magazine's top. 10 tracks of the year.

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Andrew's iPhone: Was it really.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, absolutely.

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Andrew's iPhone: So so, so, yeah, so this tracks been a been a bit a while, but it's one of my favorites on the album so.

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Andrew's iPhone: and it's it's it's kind of illustrative of what they do. So I thought it'd be good to bring it in.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, shall I? Shall I? No, I won't backtrack so sorry. I thought it was my time. I'm so like buzzing to talk better.

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Andrew's iPhone: No, you can.

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Andrew's iPhone: You can well, and go for it.

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Alternate Line: Well, do you know the first, the first band that went through my head when I listen to this track.

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Andrew's iPhone: I can definitely see that. Yeah, absolutely.

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Alternate Line: So that sort of like twitchy energy, and then the attempt to put these like quite a date lyrics over the top. And there was a time there was a time when Maximo Park we're like, really.

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Alternate Line: I'd say it's got. There's a few diverse influences in here. I don't know to what extent they like Math Rock, and whether they like tool or not, I don't know. But there's definitely that sort of like the the base, which is sort of going all all twitching all over the place, and there's a breakdown in the middle, where there's a really math, see? Kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: M-hmm.

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Alternate Line: special shout out to 2 things which I really really enjoyed. One is the singer. Was it Lily Fontaine? Did you say.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Love to love her kind of dead Pan delivery in the verses. The the leads accent, I think, really really comes across really? Well, here. The lyrics are great. Every lead is brilliant. It's really, really web shop, and lots of ideas of things that aren't quite there. But you'd like them to be, you know. Like that obviously daffodils, but like the idea of you know, I mean, does it?

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Alternate Line: the the chorus of the refrain merely pesky weight. No, almost no daffodils. And and there's a really, and this is my second thing. And then I'm going to stop babbling. But I'm really, I'm really enjoying this are the links to like poetry and artistry. So daffodils obviously makes you think of what makes me think of William. What's worth English teacher.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's the album cover.

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Alternate Line: The album cover right? It's it's really reminiscent of the American painter, Georgia O'keeffe. Not sure if you're familiar with Georgia O'keeffe Andrew but Georgia O'keeffe paints these like beautiful.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, the record as

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Andrew's iPhone: so this could be Texas.

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Andrew's iPhone: Good. Alright, I'm really pleased.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I'm I'm really enjoying the record. Actually, the the albums. Very good, I'd say, especially for the debut, really inventive lots of variety, some really really good choruses, and on on on the record. Anybody that listen to sex music will have heard a few that the singles from this. There's one called the world's largest paving slab.

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Andrew's iPhone: They do always like. They've got a really again for the English teacher thing. It's that they've got a really kind of good year for a titles as well. So there was a previous title, and I think it was Yorkshire. Tapas was was one.

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Andrew's iPhone: There's there's there's a track called Mastermind Specialism, where where they they kind of talk about how they haven't quite found their thing in life yet. So they but they kind of like reel off a lot of these.

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Andrew's iPhone: You know, kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: cultural touchstones, I guess if through that track.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, I mean, is that it's interesting as well, because they've kind of got an uneasy relationship with that phrase post punk. You know, you might mention maximum maximum park. They kind of get called a post punk group quite a lot

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Andrew's iPhone: but but they they kind of feel like there are a lot more than that. And I could kind of see that I mean a lot of those kind of groups

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Andrew's iPhone: the the starting to kind of get get but bunched in with. I find a little bit kind of tiresome. You're kind of like dry cleaning in the yard that some people like that that kind of like kind of morrow. So board vocals over seroty guitars. I find it a little bit

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Andrew's iPhone: boring a lot of time, but I think the the. As you say, they've got a real kind of vim to them. There's a real kind of catharsis to all those tracks as well which I enjoy.

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Andrew's iPhone: And it's interesting, though, because Fontains a mixed race

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Andrew's iPhone: there's a there's a track called R and B, and which which says, despite appearances, I haven't got the voice for R and B.

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Andrew's iPhone: And she she's kind of like playing with like kind of you know perceptions of of what the band should be, and how they should sound.

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Andrew's iPhone: There's a cool quote from which is, when people ask where I'm from. I usually say a mixed race, half Yorkshire, half Lancashire.

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Andrew's iPhone: So so that's pretty cool.

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Andrew's iPhone: And and yeah, as I say, it's a really good record. There's a real kind of sense of catharsis.

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Andrew's iPhone: and there's a track called side boop, which is a lot more emotive. That track called side group has any right to be. And yeah, just like it's, it's a really.

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Andrew's iPhone: really good record, actually, really strong debut.

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Andrew's iPhone: yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's a big.

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Alternate Line: Yeah. So English teacher, wow, I I you know that that also takes me back. That's also evocative of like a different time period. You know, the nd period we talk about when everyone was called this something or other.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: The.

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Andrew's iPhone: Deadline Shakes, Guitarist.

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Andrew's iPhone: They would definitely get featured on my.

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Alternate Line: Fantastic. Alright. So that is so. That's in. That's a new. That's a new band. But next we've got

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Andrew's iPhone: He is. Yeah. Among many other things.

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Andrew's iPhone: We just talked about them mainly in relation to Tom Skinner, who is, of course, now with a smile.

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, absolutely yes. But yeah. Shebacco. Hutchins.

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Andrew's iPhone: a

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Andrew's iPhone: a range of projects, including sons of Kermit. And the comment is coming. It was like a kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: it reeved up jazz.

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Andrew's iPhone: interstellar, jazz

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Andrew's iPhone: type project. And then there was Shebaker and the ancestors as well. That was going in more of a kind of spiritual jazz direction. But yeah, as I say, always as a 6 offeness, really.

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Andrew's iPhone: And but he talked about the fact that he's

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Andrew's iPhone: he. He became kind of like burned out, I guess

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, playing with that kind of sense of intensity and and conviction every night on stage is just kind of taking its toll, I think.

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Andrew's iPhone: and so he's gonna turn his hand to

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Andrew's iPhone: the clarinet, which is, I think, was his kind of first instrument of choice.

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Andrew's iPhone: and he's also working with a range of of our wood wins and flutes on on this new record.

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Andrew's iPhone: What would you say? What would you say is the most kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: punishing instrument to play.

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Andrew's iPhone: Do you think I was like.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I was thinking that this the saxophone must be up there in terms of you know the kind of breath is taken up with you literally.

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Andrew's iPhone: You know what.

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Alternate Line: By the PIN. Say the shit. I don't know but they're like you've made the commitment to the clarinet, and you made the commitment to the teacher right? The the paying the teachers. Specifically teachers. You have to keep going, at least until and then there was some arbitrary point. Right?

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh!

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Alternate Line: Meet you. I'm out. I'm out.

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Andrew's iPhone: Just not even any kind of like help notes about how maybe to make your posture better. Just just yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Nope, Nope.

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Alternate Line: Okay, this track is long. What we'll be clocking in about 8 min. Here.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, hopefully, this will chill you a bit. Even after that, after the trombone of that room.

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Andrew's iPhone: And over time.

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Andrew's iPhone: It is as it takes you on a wee chill journey. That's actually Laraji at the end. That's doing that.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's doing the muttering. So he he's like an ambient pioneer would say. He's he's a bit of a legend and and kind of ambient music.

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Andrew's iPhone: and one of the things that he believes in is the transformative power of laughter.

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Andrew's iPhone: and he does.

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Andrew's iPhone: Like laughter, meditations. I think that's what you're hearing there at the end.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, there's a little bit of that.

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Andrew's iPhone: and it kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: don't know it kind of works as like like a kind of coda for the track. I guess it kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: brings it brings it to a place of rest after what's as a kind of bit of a journey, a bit of a kind of steady build for the track.

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Andrew's iPhone: And but no

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Andrew's iPhone: I mean I I I really I really enjoy this track. I really I'm really enjoying the album as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: You you mentioned you were mentioned outcast at the start of the show. So you're trying to think of an outcast track to maybe maybe start the pod with, and the connection there is. Obviously, while we were while we have a have a break for from Podding and

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Andrew's iPhone: one of the most unexpected records of last year came out which was

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Andrew's iPhone: under 3,000 s. Ambient flute

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Andrew's iPhone: record Office, 9, opus is 90 min office.

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Andrew's iPhone: And and yeah, I mean, that was a that was a really kind of intra interesting project.

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Andrew's iPhone: It was one of those ones that was maybe a little bit more exciting and intriguing and and concept and anticipation, rather than

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Andrew's iPhone: the record itself. I would say.

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, really kind of interesting. And that was the sound of Andrew. 3,000 kind of really kind of.

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, finding a a kind of new passion, I guess, and there was something very kind of tentative, but also kind of charming about the way that

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Andrew's iPhone: that he he played flute on that record, and he surrounded himself with amazing players. And so there's a guy called Carlos Nino who was like in a key collaborator on that record and

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Andrew's iPhone: kind of gave a lot of the kind of spacey production touches that really kind of made that record what it was.

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Andrew's iPhone: And and kind of did a lot of kind of heavy lifting in terms of the scene setting

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Andrew's iPhone: M.

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Andrew's iPhone: But

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Andrew's iPhone: I don't think I'll be returning to that under 3,000 record when there are.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's bit when when when there's artists like Carlos, Nino, and

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Andrew's iPhone: Shabaka Hutchins that that are kind of working in that kind of lane. But but they're kind of a lot more kind of musically

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Andrew's iPhone: air competent.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I think it's fair to say, in terms of of of when they're playing the flute

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Andrew's iPhone: and Mitchell.

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Alternate Line: There's only really only really one winner. There, isn't it? You know. It's the sort of ridiculous final point of the phrase I liked his earlier stuff.

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Andrew's iPhone: So.

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Alternate Line: It's a wee bit like I I think, as well. Andre. 3 thousands.

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Alternate Line: It's like he's finally found this calling in life. You know, it's what he's always really wanted to make

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Andrew's iPhone: Track tracks in my tears was just just kind of build up to to.

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Andrew's iPhone: I'm so good.

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Andrew's iPhone: Dude.

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Alternate Line: Chasms thing without just everything becoming in an innuendo so.

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Andrew's iPhone: And we'll have to.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Walk away from it and come back to this track, this track as well like

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Alternate Line: it's one of those tracks that's like, it's almost like,

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Alternate Line: the the there's almost a sound like of like a there's like a big cat growling in the background somewhere towards the end of the track. I don't know if you, if you've caught that, I'm not sure what that makes. That may have been latitude. To be honest, I think.

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Andrew's iPhone: 12 of it was.

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Alternate Line: Oh, he gets he gets in about it, Larry.

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Alternate Line: But yeah, the floating points influence, I thought, was was there with the sort of rhythmic stuff at the at the beginning, and that very fine floating points record from a few years ago, which was one of your albums of the year or was it an album of the year, or was it just one of your albums of the year.

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Andrew's iPhone: I think it was. Second, yeah, but it's interesting. You mentioned that cause. That's that's actually how I don't know if it's how they met, but they certainly previously collaborated, and it was last September. There was a one off live version of.

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Andrew's iPhone: or like a live performance of that promises record performed at the Hollywood Bowl

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Andrew's iPhone: and it was shebacco. Hutchins took the the the place, if you like, of Ferro sandals who'd who passed away

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Andrew's iPhone: and.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, in in between, in between the record coming out and that performance service, Hutchins was doing the Sanders parts

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Andrew's iPhone: so that that that. So that seems like a kind of key collaboration. I don't know where I think that's maybe where this collaboration has come out of.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. And

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Andrew's iPhone: and then, yeah, when I was talking about the under 3,000 records, there's a lot of the same players that were on that on Jeff. 3,000 record that are kind of dotted about this record as well. So

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Andrew's iPhone: I know, I know on spotify. You'll see

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Andrew's iPhone: for this track. It's featuring floating points in Lauraji, but there's like it's it's kind of like a who's who

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Andrew's iPhone: of of of people on this record on this track in particular. So you've got

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Andrew's iPhone: Esperanza Spalding, Carlos Nino, who who I am mentioned already. He's got all these kind of signature bells and whistles all the way through this track.

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Andrew's iPhone: This Tom Herbert, who's

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Andrew's iPhone: and there's really kind of interesting avent classical performer.

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Andrew's iPhone: And the guy that's doing that twitchy guitar is a guy called David Kumo.

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Andrew's iPhone: who's who's in the bank be invisible. And he also does a lot of stuff with like Jesse Weird. And people like that. Amazing producer. So and and Andre 3,000 is actually on this track as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: and playing

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Andrew's iPhone: some kind of strange look.

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Alternate Line: Yes, now can we? Can we just pause again? Sorry. This is one of those records where despite the musical quality of I do just get obsessed with some of the details. So Andre, 3,000 is playing the

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Have you googled it at all, Andrew?

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Andrew's iPhone: I haven't haven't had the pleasure.

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Alternate Line: I will see it is

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Alternate Line: It's kind of an odd looking fluke.

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Alternate Line: That's what I'm gonna say. That's just I'll leave it, I'll leave it there. It's an odd looking flute.

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Alternate Line: that's all I'm willing to say on the matter right now.

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Alternate Line: It's like when you said something a little, and I was like I have to delete

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Alternate Line: several thoughts. Well, I've done that. There, I'll just leave that as a tantalizing thought for everyone. The Toyota. Whacking drone flute is an odd looking instrument. Shall we say.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's fair. That's fair, I think. Let's let's let's let's track in terms of the album, the albums. Again. Quite a varied record. There's there's bits that are very kind of ambient.

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Andrew's iPhone: this one, I guess, with the floating points influence. It's no surprise that, as the kind of most electronic

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Andrew's iPhone: sounding thing on the record.

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Andrew's iPhone: Th! There's there's bits th there's a kind of spoken word, but there's

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Andrew's iPhone: hip, hop, artists kind of do the thing over over some of the tracks as well. And there's a lovely track with Moses suddenly. Who's who's somebody who who I love? And I really bought a new Moses suddenly record sometime soon. But he he does a really lovely track, but he's kind of doing this kind of scathing thing, but a a and kind of collaboration with shebacus flute.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's really lovely. There's some tracks that are really kind of lostly produced and orchestrated, and there's others that are a bit more meditative and ambient. And so yes, it's a lovely record. And this I think this tracks kind of ideally positioned this thing. It's tracked 7 on the record, and it's just kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: providing that sense of a journey at the stage in the record where you kind of want that. And you want to kind of stretch out a little bit.

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Andrew's iPhone: So I think it kind of works within within the album. Really? Well, this track?

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, I think.

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Andrew's iPhone: in terms of like jazz records that I've heard more recently that this is one of the strongest ones.

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Andrew's iPhone: and it's it's cool to to hear Sabaka Hutchins doing something different. Because

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Andrew's iPhone: I I he was never gonna get tape cast because he was doing like so many different things with his different projects, but it's cool to hear them doing some doing something completely different

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Andrew's iPhone: with this album.

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Andrew's iPhone: And it does seem like.

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, there's a lot of kind of this kind of like jazz, adjacent stuff, lot of kind of new Age

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Andrew's iPhone: ambient type stuff that seems to be.

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Andrew's iPhone: really appealing to people in a kind of noisy, overwhelming modern world. I guess it just seems to be kind of having a moment.

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Andrew's iPhone: And and this is this is a really good album.

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Alternate Line: That makes a lot of sense makes a lot of sense. So it's it's like every cool person is on this. You know, it's it's a big collaboration, and, as you say, it's it's a kind of a bomb to a difficult, noisy, busy

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. And and the album's called it's perceive it's beauty. Acknowledge it's grace.

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Alternate Line: I really like the album title, actually.

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Andrew's iPhone: Lovely, lovely title.

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Alternate Line: Good sale.

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Alternate Line: okay. So that takes us to a fifth

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Alternate Line: I've been on a bit of a random a random thing tonight. I guess I've just been sort of all over the place. Maybe it's tiredness. Maybe it's inspiration. Who knows but the as soon as I saw the title of this track and the name of the artist, so that the title is the full.

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Alternate Line: By magic, brother and mystic sister.

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Alternate Line: In these novels they often take on a kind of sinister, or like in the satins apprentice. The fool has some kind of precision sees the future. But it doesn't make sense, you know. And then, later, when you think back on what they said, that actually all did make sense all along kind of thing, same through game of thrones and and the game of thrones, novels as well. There's a fool who not didn't make it into the TV show, but similar similar kind of thing. So as soon as I saw the name of the track and the name of the artist, I thought, oh.

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Alternate Line: this makes me think of fantasy fiction! And then I listen to the track. And I thought, Hmm! Really makes me think of fantasy.

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Andrew's iPhone: Convention.

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Alternate Line: You think that's a reasonable connection between things I've made there? Or do you think that's about stretch.

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Andrew's iPhone: No, I think that's definitely definitely fair. I mean, th, this is from an a album that's called taro part one

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Andrew's iPhone: as well. So there's there's definitely a lot of that kind of stuff going on.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, alright. Well, let's we've given it the big, the big intro, should we? Should we just give it a listen.

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Andrew's iPhone: Isn't it.

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Andrew's iPhone: What is it?

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Alternate Line: Okay, just ring in the last few seconds out of out of the full. Okay, so magic brother and mystic sister

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Andrew's iPhone: That is fair to say, absolutely.

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Alternate Line: Thank you. Yeah. I just wanted that confirmation from you.

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Andrew's iPhone: I needed that for 40 s to compose myself after witnessing the gurf

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Andrew's iPhone: of on 2, 3, thousands of drone flute.

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Andrew's iPhone: while we.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oof

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Andrew's iPhone: absolutely.

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Alternate Line: Anyway. Back to back to these guys. So they're from Barcelona.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, I don't know why this, why why they keep seeing things is.

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Andrew's iPhone: The front.

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Alternate Line: It's it. This is not this is not a track massively worried about melody. I wouldn't say it's more about more about vai more about scene setting. Would you say that, or would you? Would you not agree with that?

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Andrew's iPhone: No, I definitely agree with that. Absolutely. I've I've got had something very similar. My notes, actually, yeah, so this is, this is like the opening track on the album. And it is as you see, it's kind of like a vibe. Yeah. Seen sales. A good good way of putting it. And yeah, not necessarily a song.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, but but but but lots of elements that that I like.

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Andrew's iPhone: yeah. So that, as I say, this is this is from an album that's just come out, called Taro. Part one. So there is a part 2 coming very soon, I believe.

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Andrew's iPhone: And it's it's a it's a follow up. That's been a little time coming to the debut record. So Debbie Record was was an album that

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Andrew's iPhone: that I discovered. I think I think I would have discovered that on Instagram, or on some kind of blog, or something like that. And it was one of those kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: cool little records that I just really took to, and it was one of those ones that I bought, and for sharing it.

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Andrew's iPhone: And people just

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Andrew's iPhone: it was one of those ones. I post a couple of times throughout the year, and people were just like kind of really quick taking with it. And it was. It was one of those one cool ones where people everybody that that kind of checked out just really liked it and bought it. And

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Andrew's iPhone: yeah, just one of those kind of like cool cult records that.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I felt like I had a little bit of a hand, a very small hand.

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Andrew's iPhone: Kind of like turning people onto, which was cool.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I like that about it.

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Andrew's iPhone: And

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Andrew's iPhone: that that was a really cool debut that the the fourth track on that album was called Yogi T.

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Andrew's iPhone: And there was something kind of vitica, warming and pungent and fatally intoxicating about the whole thing like like you would get with a nice cup of chai.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah. And and they th. They're named after a song by the the the group gong.

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Andrew's iPhone: And who who are we? Looking at a happy prog group. And and there's one track with this that's got an excerpt from Timothy Leary's

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Andrew's iPhone: tripy set text the psychedelic experience. So so it's all. It's all those kind of psychedelic signifiers that.

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Andrew's iPhone: But you can recognize, but but I enjoy

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Andrew's iPhone: there was also a an abundance of flu. There was just flu everywhere, and it was kind of it was, it was psyched, but it was kind of torn from that kind of late sixties, early seventies

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Andrew's iPhone: period, where Psych and prog were kind of mixing. So there was a lot of kind of like caravan in there.

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Andrew's iPhone: post, said Pre. Dark side. Floyd. Is that that kind of that kind of period.

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Andrew's iPhone: With with they went a bit kind of you call it a pink floyd. So so, so, yeah, so really, really cool vibes to that record, and it's quite interesting with us. I won't, because it feels like they're kind of going backwards a little bit in time, cause it. This, this to me feels

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Andrew's iPhone: maybe more kind of mid to late sixties is that

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Andrew's iPhone: th? There's a lot of like phase guitars, bubble bass.

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Andrew's iPhone: lots of sitar. Not necessarily in this track. But other tracks I'd I saw one online poster that suggested that one at least satar soap track sounds like cooler Shaker.

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Andrew's iPhone: and they said it as a they said it as a compliment.

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, so so so. So there's a lot of that kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: type of site going on here, and as well as a lot of that kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: as you. As you're saying, the kind of and the kind of fantastical stuff that's going on there, and the kind of mystical stuff.

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Andrew's iPhone: and I'm not sure the songs are the strongest time around. I think you know. As I say this. So song kind of works as a

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Andrew's iPhone: a scene set out. But even the songs after this maybe, aren't as strong as the ones on the debut.

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Andrew's iPhone: Maybe I have to give it more time.

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Andrew's iPhone: but you know, as a kind of general sound and things that I like.

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Andrew's iPhone: I'm you know, I'm kind of compelled to quite enjoy this.

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Andrew's iPhone: A project, even even if it's maybe not, even if maybe this album itself is, is maybe not as strong as the debut for me.

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Alternate Line: I'm, I'm tempted to pull out the pull down from my imaginary shelf here my imaginary book of like Ian's podcast cliches, because I'm about to drop them all on you right now. One is. Oh, look, Andrew, it's psychedelic music. So you must really like it. That's one.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: I've already covered that. And then

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Alternate Line: I know this is quite a good example of modern psychedelic music. But kind of what's the point? Because.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Like music sounds like this forever. So I've tried out that one as well. What I do like about this is.

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Alternate Line: Here's a stat for you, and in the last month, Magic, brother and mystic sister have amassed 1,426 lessons on on spotify listeners, not lessons, listeners on spotify. So this is not like a a world eating like musical project here. This is probably quite a mom and pop type and type thing, and I always have to say I give massive respect to people who are like.

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Alternate Line: I'm going to dedicate myself to music to the extent that will do it as my career right.

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Alternate Line: but I will make absolutely no attempt to make music that will generally be liked by by the buying public.

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Alternate Line: I think that's really cool and really.

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Andrew's iPhone: Studio.

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Alternate Line: Like there's like this. This is not going to like. Make them massively famous. I don't think I don't mean that as a criticism. They probably don't give a shit about that. But it's it's a it's a ballsy move, and you know those like

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Alternate Line: loads of bands that you've never heard of loads and loads who are just touring around Europe and touring around the world. And you see them in venues like I mean, I don't know where, if it's played in Glasgow or not, but if they played in Glasgow, I imagine they're playing places like the hugging Pint, and so on. So.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Not the big venues, but the the kind of small, cool venues.

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Alternate Line: And they're they're doing the thing. And listen.

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Alternate Line: I'm not gonna listen to that record. I'm sorry I'm just not, but that track itself like does the business. It does.

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Andrew's iPhone: So right.

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Alternate Line: It does, it does. What it sets out to do on the old care modes is another one of mine, the the old care mode of does it do what it sets out to do? Absolutely. It absolutely does.

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Alternate Line: So I think we can look into the future, and we can envision a taro part 2 somewhere down the line. Is this a long record? Part one.

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Andrew's iPhone: And not especially. It's about 40 min something like that.

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Alternate Line: All right. Okay.

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Andrew's iPhone: And not too bad.

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Alternate Line: Okay, fair enough.

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Alternate Line: Right? So there we go. 5 very diverse new tracks this week. We've got some. We had some avant folk.

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Alternate Line: and then we had

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Alternate Line: I mean

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Alternate Line: what I don't even know what to see about what we had after that. How would you describe what we had after that.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, hypnagogic pop is the thing. Pop.

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Alternate Line: And then we had something Indy and and kind of retro and kind of modern and English teacher. We had something jazzy in new wave in Shabaka, and they've had something absolutely retro psychedelic from Magic brother, Miss Successor. So a very

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Alternate Line: diverse set tracks today. So, Andrew, thank you, for that fed my brain a lot this week did enjoy that. Actually, although I know we're supposed to record the other in the week, I actually enjoyed spending a little longer with all of those. They were all worth. They were all worth a bit extra time. So

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Alternate Line: good. Good selection. Okay, so

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Alternate Line: I'm not going to give you the big intro I did. I did must feel about buying coffee at the start of the start of the podcast and so, as everyone knows now, we're going to have the final word

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Alternate Line: Great Andrew left down from his actual record collection something that he feels matches up sometimes

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Alternate Line: pretty neat and on the nose, and sometimes just a little bit more vague, but something that matches up with what we've listened to today, and from the old record collection. So Andrew.

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Alternate Line: the Vinyl works after you.

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Andrew's iPhone: Thank you. Yes. So we've also talked about Shabbaka. We've talked about under 3,000

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Andrew's iPhone: I thought we'd play us out today with a modern flutemaster.

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Andrew's iPhone: and who is a guy called Tendalonius.

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Andrew's iPhone: and so tantalonious, has done a lot of kind of really cool

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Andrew's iPhone: modern jazz projects. And there's there's ones that are a little bit been more traditional in terms of of jazz. So he's he plays with a group called Ruby Rushton, who are really great, and he's got his own 22 orchestra, which is this kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: amorphous

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Andrew's iPhone: ensemble of of kind of musicians, musicians that he plays with.

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Andrew's iPhone: But as well as that he also does these kind of interesting Eps, where he kind of branches out into

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Andrew's iPhone: kind of of of our areas of music.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so the record that I've chosen to play a site with today is is a record called on Flute

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Andrew's iPhone: Which came out in 2016. It's had a couple of represses the repress I've got, I think, from 2020

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Andrew's iPhone: and it's just been repressed again a couple of weeks ago.

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Andrew's iPhone: and

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Andrew's iPhone: and I'd really recommend people checking out. It's it's kind of one of those ones it's now considered a bit of a modern classic already. It's kind of got that status to it. And on the record, Tendalonius is kind of incorporating broken B is incorporating tribal rhythms on it.

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Andrew's iPhone: And there's a really cool track that opens record called Ghana. That's just really

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Andrew's iPhone: frenetic and colorful. The track that I've chosen to play us out with is

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Andrew's iPhone: a really cool track kind of whooping, fantastic. I would suggest it's called Song for my father.

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Andrew's iPhone: and it's him kind of going into like a house, Banger. So something that maybe like Todd tells you would do. And so I just thought for be a cool way to play us out this week. Just yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Just kind of having it, almost taking care of business. Ian.

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Alternate Line: Taking care of business to go to go full circle and the whole thing. Listen. I never listen to the Vinyl world in advance. Sometimes it's something I've heard before, but I never listen to in advance, and I had no concept. You'd about to say, this is a banger. I thought. This is gonna be some jazzy flute stuff.

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Alternate Line: Well.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's it's pretty cool, pretty cool.

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Alternate Line: Very cool. Alright. Cool guys. Thanks so much. Thanks for being with us as we're a little bit late delivering this week. But we'll be back real soon.

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Andrew's iPhone: See you soon, guys.

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