New Music - Doves! Fievel is Glauque! Kim Deal! Mk.gee! Olive Jones!

Three is the magic number this week on @weheardwonders as Iain and Andrew are joined by The Talent from Glasgow band The Deadline Shakes, Greg Dingwall. Greg shares his love of Field Music and joins us to listen to and review new music from the broodingly majestic Doves, progressive jazz-pop jesters Fievel Is Glauque, alt-rock legend Kim Deal, 80s-obsessed word-of-mouth sensation Mk.Gee and British soul stylist Olive Jones. Something beardy and jauntily acousticy has the Vinyl Word. Listen to We Heard Wonders on your podcast platform of choice; tell your friends; like, subscribe and recommend; catch up with previous editions and support the show by buying us a Coffee (link in the show’s bio).

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Alternate Line: was born 3 mates Love and me, and that's a magic number.

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Andrew's iPhone: Hello and welcome to. We heard wonders. The music podcast where this week free is the magic number.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, how are we doing? So we're joined this week by well, just legendary rock. God, Greg Dingwall of the deadline shakes. How you doing, man?

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Greg Dingwall: I'm feeling legendary. I don't know what that entails, but yep.

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Greg Dingwall: thank you for having me. It's late to be back.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's the good one. It's the good one from.

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Alternate Line: Yes, that's absolutely true. We'll explain why Greg's here in a minute. But 1st of all, let's introduce ourselves, Andrew, after you, sir.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, my name is Andrew. I buy records and write about them on Instagram at Kidagh 86.

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Alternate Line: He absolutely does regularly. My name's Ian. I'm Guitarist in Glasgow. Band deadline shakes, and you can find us on all the social media places at Deadline shakes, and so is Greg. You can also find him on all the social media places at Deadly Jakes as well. Yeah. So we got Greg in

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Alternate Line: because we reviewed field music last week. And, Greg, you love field music.

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Greg Dingwall: Yeah. Enthusiast.

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Alternate Line: Yes, in this.

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Alternate Line: So basically, Andrew, have you now spent time with the album? Was the question I was gonna ask as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: I have. Yeah, I'm really enjoying the record as I kind of touched on last week. I think it is

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Andrew's iPhone: their most kind of interesting

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Andrew's iPhone: yeah, I think that the kind of use of simps

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Andrew's iPhone: and the kind of the sound scapes, if you like on the record are really kind of interesting.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, just something kind of new and novel for them. So yeah, I think it's a. It's a good one.

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Alternate Line: Okay.

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Greg Dingwall: Yeah, I I

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Greg Dingwall: but I just. I think they do so much that is

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Greg Dingwall: appealing every element of it. I really enjoy. You know the vocals and harmonies are great, the songs, the structure of the songs, the chords they use, you know. It's all a bit expensive. There's interesting jazzy chords where you don't expect them. There's a lot of funk and stuff in it, and that's always been there.

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Greg Dingwall: This the kind of the move to

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Greg Dingwall: I've been trying to

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Greg Dingwall: and I kind of heard the album, and I thought, That's a useful thing to actually just. I actually bought the album on Bandcamp, which isn't something I routinely do to have it as a reference, and get like the high quality files and

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Greg Dingwall: do a wee bit of

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Greg Dingwall: side by side. Comparison stuff I'm trying to do at the moment as well.

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Greg Dingwall: so I think it's great. And yeah, I think the last couple of albums have been, I think, still good.

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Greg Dingwall: but this one is more adventurous again than I mean. I'm saying that I think it was maybe 2 albums ago. They were doing the

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Greg Dingwall: making a new world thing with, you know, between the world wars, and you can't say that's not adventurous or ambitious, I suppose.

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Greg Dingwall: but I just think

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, yeah.

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Greg Dingwall: Just hope they're appreciated as well. I do worry that they're just kind of

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Greg Dingwall: And I was talking to Peter Bruce about it, and he was. I hate doing it, but you just have to do it. It's kind of what's expected now.

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Greg Dingwall: and you know, to get everything keyed up with the backing tracks and all of that. He wasn't a fan of doing it, but but they were bloody good at it, you know, such a tight, tight band, and it never sounded like

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Greg Dingwall: So they're adept at it.

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Andrew's iPhone: I love the way they they switch between instruments as well.

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Alternate Line: Annoying that I'm actually not even good at the instrument I'm supposed to play. Never mind any others. You know what I mean.

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Greg Dingwall: You're too too modest.

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Alternate Line: I know I left a gap there for you to jump in. Thank you.

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, I mean, with that record it was more the concept that was different and ambitious, whereas this one, it feels musically, as you say, that they're kind of pushing it forward again, which is cool to hear

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Alternate Line: You hit them with some social media stuff this week as well, Greg, some messages and got some chat.

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Greg Dingwall: Well, yeah, I'm not a prolific ex or any other social media user, really. But I

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Greg Dingwall: In a positive?

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Greg Dingwall: and then, just you know, just general summation of how much I enjoyed it, and thanks for making it, because I don't know with bands that are not, who are well known and they are respected. But they're not

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Greg Dingwall: You do wonder like, how much feedback did actually do people just silently love them, but they're not. Maybe the people who will go out and say stuff. So I'm sure that's not the case. But

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Alternate Line: Yeah, that's good.

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Alternate Line: That's good. It's a nice social media interaction with the field music chaps. Huge, good, good. Good. So I think we're all saying, it's a good record. I'm not saying that I've actually not listened to it fully yet, because I was reviewing the you know the wild beasts ex frontman from last week. Andrew, please help me out.

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Andrew's iPhone: In the New.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. Once repeating.

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Alternate Line: One true pairing. I was listening to one true pairing, the one true pairing record this week really cool, although the only thing I would say, is that the stuff that charmed me on this single that we listened to was it was a lot of that.

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Alternate Line: made me think of what I was suggesting last week, which is this does actually need something else. It needs a wee

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Andrew's iPhone: I'm pleased. Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: you kind of fold up on that. Yeah, I mean, I really really enjoy it. I can. I can see what you mean? It's there's

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Andrew's iPhone: there's a lot of tracks. It's nearly an hour long, so that there's a lot of music on it.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, it's all kind of within that one mood or style, maybe. But but no, I think it is very, very good.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's another one that really deserves that that kind of push, that boost.

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Alternate Line: I think. So, I think so, I think so.

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Alternate Line: yeah, cool. So that's a positive review for last week's podcast. Lots of you know the the podcast advice is always like you should have like a continuum. You know, we should be talking about things from last week, which we never really generally do.

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Andrew's iPhone: For you.

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Alternate Line: A little bit, Greg, have you got some time? You're going to stick around with us while we do these 5 new tracks, steaming new tracks.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yep. So this week we've got new music from doves.

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Andrew's iPhone: Just what's hot. Yeah. And I believe the last time that Greg was on one of the one of his choices was pixies.

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Andrew's iPhone: So of course I had to get some come deal in there somewhere. So

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Alternate Line: 4 times or something. And then I was going to say, when I started listening to this, I was going to say, Oh, the second time I saw them was when they supported oasis at Murrayfield a few years later. I was going to say what amazing time to have a comeback records, you know, and maybe they're hoping for like a support slot with oasis next year. But then I read all this stuff about the front man, Jimmy Goodwin, and how he basically can't perform

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Alternate Line: form anymore because of mental health issues which he wrote about quite candidly on the social media stuff which then made me feel a bit of shit for being so sarcastic about them.

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Alternate Line: So yeah, I don't know if you were going to say anything about that in your kind of biography of them. Andrew.

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Andrew's iPhone: I was. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that is the kind of that's the most recent thing that that's been announced along with this this new album.

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Andrew's iPhone: this new single, and then this new album. And yeah, they've they've announced some dates, and, as you say, it's just going to be the the Williams Brothers that are that are playing.

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Andrew's iPhone: provided vocals before on on the records. But yeah, it's them that's going to be doing the lead vocals this time around, as Jimmy, as you say, works on his recovery from. They talk about mental health and sobriety. That's what he's he's he's

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Andrew's iPhone: And then just kind of following them in real time. I remember hearing there goes the fear for the 1st time, and just thinking that was really thrilling.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so yeah, so that so yeah, they have got that kind of diversity to them. And they are a band that mean a lot to a lot of people, and there was a 10 year hiatus. And then they came back, as you say, in 2020, with a record that I must admit I didn't really spend much time with either.

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Andrew's iPhone: Bible is Glock.

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Andrew's iPhone: Meeting in Brussels in 2018, for a mutual friend after Phillips injured himself on a metal pole.

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Andrew's iPhone: which is delightfully odd as well. Clement was trained as a nurse, and she helped provide 1st aid. And so a band was born.

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Andrew's iPhone: begin to like. Think how you would start constructing a track like this, because there's just well.

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Andrew's iPhone: so much musical data going on.

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Alternate Line: It's a lot of data. I don't want to prejudge what Greg thinks about this, but I bet he likes it.

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Alternate Line: I bet he likes it. Am I right, Greg?

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Greg Dingwall: Maybe

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Greg Dingwall: I loved it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh!

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Alternate Line: I knew I knew you.

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Andrew's iPhone: I was hoping you would as well.

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Alternate Line: Can you? Can. I guess the moment when you went from? I like this to? I love this.

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Alternate Line: Can I guess the exact moment it's when the steely Dan Guitar solo arrives at the end.

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Andrew's iPhone: No, that's fine.

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Greg Dingwall: That's too late. That's too late. I was in very quickly.

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Greg Dingwall: It's so. It's so light and

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Greg Dingwall: playfully anarchic. I just I was actually talking of childhood films.

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Greg Dingwall: Home alone was on the other day, but at that time now.

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Greg Dingwall: and you know the bit where he heats up

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Greg Dingwall: the door handle with a blowtorch, and Joe Pesci burns his hands on it. I'm thinking they did that to the bass guitar

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Greg Dingwall: strings.

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Greg Dingwall: It stays on no note for more than like a millisecond.

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Alternate Line: You know, in my notes I actually have. Did they pay the bass guitarist double on this.

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Greg Dingwall: It's nuts. And the drums are going to follow, follow suit as well.

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Greg Dingwall: And but you do have

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Greg Dingwall: really I think it would be, it would get annoying if it was all just completely formless, and there was no recurring.

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Andrew's iPhone: Minimum.

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Greg Dingwall: And all that. But you've got that lovely little flute line that's coming in. It might not be a flute.

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Greg Dingwall: Something wood windy, anyway.

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Greg Dingwall: And her voice is

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Greg Dingwall: really nice. I mean, I read a wee bit about, you know they take

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Greg Dingwall: 3 recordings, and then sort of try and

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Greg Dingwall: patch it together that way. And you know there's a whole bunch of musicians on it, albeit those are the 2 core members. And

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Greg Dingwall: yeah, I can't imagine how you put something like that together.

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Greg Dingwall: and it could be a horrible

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Greg Dingwall: mess. But it's not. I just think it's brilliant. A particularly rich cheese dream.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, it's got a real kind of bucolic breeziness and prettiness to it. As you say, it's not, it's not.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's not a difficult lesson. It's not.

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Andrew's iPhone: you know. It's not some. It's not like Black Buddy, or something like that. It's not confrontational or challenging in that way. But it's just.

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Andrew's iPhone: But it's got this kind of off kilter oddness to it which is really cool. It makes total sense that she's hoovering a tree in the video.

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Alternate Line: It does. It does. Yeah.

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Greg Dingwall: Who's the who's the chap? Sorry, then, Andrew, the I think Scottish musician. You guys are

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Greg Dingwall: fans of him. Maybe.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, entrepreneurship.

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Alternate Line: Like.

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Greg Dingwall: There's not is very different in some ways, but there is something about that that I picked out

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Greg Dingwall: the you know, talking about being kind of bucolic, and I can.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah.

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Greg Dingwall: That there?

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Greg Dingwall: Nothing.

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Andrew's iPhone: See that yeah, definitely.

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Alternate Line: This is more. This is more formed into a pop song. But I think, yeah, in in

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Alternate Line: tone terms, yeah, it probably is quite similar.

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Alternate Line: it's just a mad old mix of stuff, this, really, isn't it? It's kind of funky. It's kind of pop.

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Alternate Line: Her voice is like

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Alternate Line: like I noticed on on somewhere. I read online that one of our favorite singers is Whitney Houston, and like I.

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Andrew's iPhone: Could not tell.

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Alternate Line: Performance at all. She just sort of has that kind of. I know she's Belgian, but has that Chanteau kind of thing where she's like just lightly sort of singing on the top of things. You know, it's like it is. Actually, if you pause that for a second and just try to see what's everyone currently doing is everyone's doing different stuff.

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Alternate Line: All simultaneously, and that's cool. I like as well. You were talking about the little flute motif

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Alternate Line: which is really is kind of like cheesy. And very, very simple. It's like

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Alternate Line: pretty much and meanwhile the rhythm section is just going

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Alternate Line: Tonto underneath. It's really it's a really really cool track. Yes.

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Greg Dingwall: You're it reminds me of like a

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Greg Dingwall: like a seventies. I don't know the Waltons, or something like that, you know. It's that kind of that. You know that just bordering on cheesy bit. But it's for like a second, and then and it propels on. And you're like, Oh, yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: And.

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Alternate Line: Still, it's still cool to listen to this with other people around. That's fine.

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Andrew's iPhone: I noticed on X. They were getting a bit peeved and snarky about the way that they were being written about.

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Andrew's iPhone: as they were like saying things like. So apparently we like the 19 seventies Canterbury scene, and we like Prog Rock. And apparently we're influenced by stereo lab. And they're like kind of saying like it'd be nice for the critics to maybe ask us what we like rather than just assume that we like this stuff. But but I think they kind of.

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Andrew's iPhone: I think that's just critics getting excited about writing about this group, because there's just like so much going on and so much to kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: unpick and and try, and

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Andrew's iPhone: no try and make

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Andrew's iPhone: guesses about what maybe inspired it, because it's just it's just mad, but it's it's really exciting as well, I think I mean.

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Alternate Line: Relatively obtuse like it does, you know?

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Alternate Line: Yeah, in. I'm not surprised. People are trying to sort of.

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Alternate Line: you know, doing their best to make

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Alternate Line: make sense of it, you know it's not that it's not.

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Alternate Line: I don't know. It's quite immediate as well, isn't it? It's both things. It's both obtuse and really straightforward.

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Andrew's iPhone: I think so. Yeah, there's other bits on the album that do kind of descend into these big instrumental pile ups. And there's a lot of kind of scrunky jazz passages as well. But yeah, just so many little treats all the way through the album.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so yeah, so you should definitely check it out.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's just like so much stuff to tickle your eardrums and your brain as well. I think just just trying to work out how they did it.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, not to.

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Greg Dingwall: Glock at all.

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Alternate Line: Not the globe.

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Andrew's iPhone: He lost the.

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Alternate Line: can't believe we end up talking about 5. All goes West just to cap that off, you know, you really do get reminded how bleak kids films can be when you fire up Bambi, and that you're looking down the sort of

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Alternate Line: the 2 barrels of the hunter's gun there was Bambi's mum. You're like Jesus Christ, you know. I mean, this is, this is rough stuff.

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Alternate Line: There we go.

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Andrew's iPhone: Well, we also watched the sequel. I can't remember what it's called Bambi 2. I guess you're called Bambi 2, and I was thinking, well, at least it doesn't have like that traumatic moment.

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Andrew's iPhone: And pretty much the whole film is like

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Andrew's iPhone: the bit in between the mom getting killed and how Bambi grows up. It's like the bit in between. It's like how Bambi deals with the grief. This is what I was trying to avoid showing my son. There we go.

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Alternate Line: My Bambi 3. I think I'm gonna have Bambi's mum come back as a ghost and haunt Bambi.

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Andrew's iPhone: And then.

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Alternate Line: Bambi school.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's what happens at Baby 2. It's just all the way through. It's the ghost of the mum coming back. It's unbelievable.

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Greg Dingwall: Bamboo.

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Andrew's iPhone: Hi.

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Alternate Line: Army, Disney. Hi, army. I'm available. Okay, right? So on to. We've trailed this earlier on as a bit of a

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Alternate Line: a favourite of well, a favour of most folk, I would say, pixies. If you're into your music, you probably do like the pixies at some point.

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Alternate Line: Steve Albini production. This one? Is it Andrew?

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Andrew's iPhone: I think he maybe only did one track.

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Alternate Line: On the record. So maybe not this song.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I think he only does the opening track on the record. I might be wrong on that, but I think that's the case.

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Alternate Line: Okay, so not a Steve Albini production.

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Alternate Line: So I rescind that. So this is Kim deal from pixies, from breeders. And this track is called coast.

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Alternate Line: Aha!

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Alternate Line: Hard, hard.

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Alternate Line: really! Should

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Alternate Line: ice

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Alternate Line: fine! Fine! Fine! Fine, they say.

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Alternate Line: while they're wailing on short.

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Alternate Line: I

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Alternate Line: soon as they were gone.

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Alternate Line: scattered throughout the land.

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Alternate Line: Someone must have checked the wham

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Alternate Line: time

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Alternate Line: God

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Alternate Line: take lost lives.

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Alternate Line: kids on the

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Alternate Line: you

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Alternate Line: a.

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Alternate Line: My life

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Alternate Line: be

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Alternate Line: trying to hit hard.

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Alternate Line: Oh, yeah.

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Alternate Line: Human

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Alternate Line: as they were gone.

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Alternate Line: and throughout the land.

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Alternate Line: fencing, running fast as they can.

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Alternate Line: I'll hold up

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Alternate Line: Inspire

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Alternate Line: all the promises. Somebody check

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Alternate Line: hollowed up and abandoned

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Alternate Line: all the good times

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Alternate Line: take our slice.

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Alternate Line: it's on the coast

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Alternate Line: the

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Alternate Line: you

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Alternate Line: hold up!

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Alternate Line: Hold up!

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Alternate Line: I hold up! And

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Alternate Line: all the good times

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Alternate Line: forgotten roads take us lives.

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Alternate Line: It's on the

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Alternate Line: it's on the coast.

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Alternate Line: It's on the

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Alternate Line: all right.

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Alternate Line: guys. I'm gonna come right out the gate and say this, I think this is

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Alternate Line: amazing. I think it's a great song.

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Alternate Line: It's just like it just sounds

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Alternate Line: practically effortless in a way, it's just got that kind of songwriting style where everything. Just seems like it's in its right place. It's got a kind of

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Alternate Line: we're in winter, but it feels like summer. It's it's fun. It's got an anthemic quality. It's got the all hold up! Shout out in the middle.

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Alternate Line: It's very good, very, very good.

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Andrew's iPhone: Good. Yeah. I think in somebody else's hands this could be like a kind of mid paste mid album plodder

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Andrew's iPhone: kind of thing that maybe one of those tracks that was going to be. Yeah, this will do. This will just kind of make do on the album. But yeah, as you say the way the way that she's put it all together. It's so musical, there's so many lovely little embellishments and details and

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Andrew's iPhone: touches

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Andrew's iPhone: that that really elevates to the track. And yeah, I really enjoy it. It's got a real and it's really charming.

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Alternate Line: Great dynamics as well, which is in Greg. You can tell us a little bit about compression and modern music and stuff. If you, if you want, that would be nice.

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Greg Dingwall: And what that.

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Alternate Line: Yes, I like it. I want to.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, wait!

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Alternate Line: I think, on a track like this, the dynamics are really, really impressive, because you go from like

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Alternate Line: sort of genuinely high volume parts of the track to then, just like a little guitar going and then back again. And it works really, really well and more. Why don't more songs have dynamics in 2024. It's crazy.

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Greg Dingwall: Yeah, do you know, it's funny? Because I listened to this.

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Greg Dingwall: and I thought more about the

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Greg Dingwall: the lettics. Then

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Greg Dingwall: maybe the music and the production as compared with the other tracks. I love it as well. I actually didn't think you would necessarily enjoy it too much, Ian, because I don't like.

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Greg Dingwall: particularly guitar playing that is potentially sloppy and maybe intentionally sloppy, can wind you up sometimes sometimes, and I think it stays just about on the right line with with that.

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Greg Dingwall: But I think it's just. There's a real pathos, I think, to the lyrics there's nothing

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Greg Dingwall: complex, particularly in in the words she's using. But there is this real sense of

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Greg Dingwall: kind of weirdiness with a twinkle, and the brass gives it that there's always a bit of humor with that kind of

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Greg Dingwall: brass

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Greg Dingwall: and you know, lines like, it's human to want to win.

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Greg Dingwall: Yeah, very simple. But it's it's great. And

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Greg Dingwall: you know she's in her sixties now, I think, and

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Greg Dingwall: I think has the reputation of just being someone who's maybe

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Greg Dingwall: locked from

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Greg Dingwall: a few catastrophe, you know, along the way, and you know, fell out

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Greg Dingwall: with the pixies and all that.

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Greg Dingwall: but it just it kind of

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Greg Dingwall: you really kind of root, for when you're hearing it, and you know that the line about, you know, to beautiful kids on the coast.

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Greg Dingwall: I don't know if she means having beautiful kids and living on the coast, or being amongst other beautiful kids in the coast. I'm not sure

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Greg Dingwall: but it's something really sad about that

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Greg Dingwall: that line. But with the music it all fits together in this really nice bittersweet.

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Greg Dingwall: We

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Greg Dingwall: It does sound a wee bit like Sunday girl by Blondie with the Salvation Army

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Greg Dingwall: given a bit.

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Andrew's iPhone: See that!

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Greg Dingwall: But but I can. I can forgive that. So. And yeah, I think in terms of the sound. I think she's a big fan of

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Greg Dingwall: you know, analog only in terms of the recording process and

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Greg Dingwall: keeping things

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Greg Dingwall: kind of traditionally straightforward. So you do get. I'm sure she'll use compression and some things, but I think there is a

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Greg Dingwall: a desire to keep things, give things space to, to breathe.

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Greg Dingwall: which there is a lot more of now than there was maybe 10 years ago in music, because

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Greg Dingwall: the demands of the streaming, you know, spotify, and all that

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Greg Dingwall: are such that there's not much point in trying to push music too loud anymore, because it will get brought down on those services, anyway. So actually, the loudness wars are maybe subsiding a bit which you've you've maybe talked about on the podcast before.

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Greg Dingwall: But no, I'm glad. I'm glad you liked that one. Dean. Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

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Alternate Line: Y'all

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Alternate Line: 100.

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Andrew's iPhone: Something about the guitar playing brings in that slight wonkiness that you'd typically expect from her or the pixies as well. So there's that kind of personality to it

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Andrew's iPhone: as well. I was. I was also wondering if there's maybe a little nod to like yellow submarine in there as well with the brass and the

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Andrew's iPhone: some of the sound effects, and that kind of thing.

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Greg Dingwall: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: It's got that playfulness to it, for sure, as Greg alluded to there, I'm not generally a fan of wonky guitar playing which feels disingenuous

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Alternate Line: like, if if you like. Show me

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Alternate Line: I don't know. Here's here's like a ridiculous example, just to prove the point, if you show me like Hendrix, smashing his guitar up on stage, and then simultaneously, still half playing it at times. Right? I go right. That's like authentic and cool.

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Alternate Line: But if you get someone who's otherwise a good player, and it just feels affected. It really takes me out of the moment.

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Alternate Line: And yeah, plenty of breather stuff will do that for me, and has done many times in the past. But no, it's on the right side here. It's tasteful here, I think, on coast, and I think that's the watchword for the whole.

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Alternate Line: for the whole, the whole project, the whole song here. It's just really well judged. Lyrics are well judged, as Greg was telling us they are, and our bass sounds great as well as it always has that really kind of like thudding.

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Alternate Line: go on. I'll say basic quality to it, you know, it's it's just like it. Just it just works for the song.

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Alternate Line: yeah, I like it. Bittersweet.

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Greg Dingwall: The there's a really good documentary with

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Greg Dingwall: Pixie's called Gouge.

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Greg Dingwall: and Steve Albini contributes to that. And

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Greg Dingwall: he, I think he says that

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Greg Dingwall: of all the people he's kind of

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Greg Dingwall: worked with.

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Greg Dingwall: Kim deals. Personality comes across 100% when she sings, and I think you get.

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Greg Dingwall: Song like that, you know. It's it's not that she's the best singer.

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Greg Dingwall: It's that you just get a you know what she's communicating from the sound and the way that she

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Greg Dingwall: she puts it across.

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Alternate Line: And it's so funny, actually, that we just reviewed that 5 of these

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Alternate Line: glock thing because that that like almost

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Alternate Line: hold your arm's length a little bit vocally, you know. That's what I mean. It's sort of just sort of floating about on the top here, where you can really sort of

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Alternate Line: feel Kim deal through this record, I think.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, Andrew, were you brandishing? Were you brandishing a magazine? There.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes, I've got I've got. I've got a Mojo magazine, so they've got a glowing 5 star review of the the album. So the album is out in a couple of weeks time.

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, I've just brought it forward because Greg's here.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. The album was called. Nobody loves you more.

608
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Andrew's iPhone: Apparently it's been about 12 years in the making this album.

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Andrew's iPhone: She was out recording tracks by herself. She put a couple of singles at different times over the last decade. But yeah, it's taken a wee while to bring this album together. Apparently she was

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Andrew's iPhone: caring for our 2 elderly parents for a while

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Andrew's iPhone: her mom had Alzheimer's, which is something that's addressed on the album as well, and obviously the pandemic pushed it back a little bit as well, so yeah, so it's been a while in the making. But apparently it's a really good album.

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Andrew's iPhone: and the free tracks that she's put out so far are very

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Andrew's iPhone: diverse, and so this was the 1st kind of taster of it which I think is quite, quite a statement in itself.

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Andrew's iPhone: The Albini tracks a little bit raw and a little bit kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: yeah, kind of jagged in a way that you maybe more expect.

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Andrew's iPhone: And then there was another track that

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Andrew's iPhone: had a little more kind of a kind of industrial electronic thing going on. So so yeah, so I think there's a lot of

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Andrew's iPhone: M

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Andrew's iPhone: a lot of different things that she's trying on this record. But apparently it's really really good.

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Andrew's iPhone: and she's also still doing the breeders thing. The breeders have just been on tour with Olivia Rodrigo.

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Andrew's iPhone: which is pretty mad. She they've been playing stadiums with her, because apparently she's a big fan.

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Andrew's iPhone: so she seems like she's got a lot of cool stuff going on a lot cooler than

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Andrew's iPhone: the current.

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Andrew's iPhone: The current version of the pixies, I would suggest.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, I just read on a sort of reddit forum earlier on that. People were saying that they think the last couple of pixies records are just kind of missing something. And something is Kim deal. That's basically what's missing. Yeah. Do you know, you guys probably already know this is Pixie's heads. But

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Alternate Line: The the original advert that she answered. To join the pixies was, We want someone who is into Husker do? And Peter, Paul and Mary.

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Alternate Line: that's about right, I think about right? About right? Okay, good. So 5 star review from Mojo. Andrew, if you were to invent a star system, how many stars. Would you give this.

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Andrew's iPhone: I would give it. I would give this track 4 and a half. Gigantic stars.

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Alternate Line: Out, of.

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Greg Dingwall: Globe.

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Andrew's iPhone: Row, 5.

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Alternate Line: Fair enough, I mean you can vent your own stuff.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I didn't really push. I didn't really push the kind of.

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Alternate Line: Stuck with it.

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Andrew's iPhone: The idea of? Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Well, famously. Super Mario, 64, and then 64 has 121 stars to collect. So I'll give this 118 stars out of 121. Greg.

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Alternate Line: were you thinking.

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Greg Dingwall: 15

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Greg Dingwall: out of

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Greg Dingwall: blonde.

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Alternate Line: That's actually a number. But we'll just move on. We'll just move on. Eggs. Had tea. So that's why he said 2 cups of tea before we did this right? So moving on so something a bit different again, as you said Andrew, there's maybe not a big thread running through this. But this is

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Alternate Line: I don't know. This is something that feels very modern to me, but it has a kind of a retro.

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Alternate Line: a retro feel as well. This is Mcg.

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Alternate Line: not Greg, as you were saying earlier on, not the director who specialises in explosions and aeroplanes.

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Alternate Line: Oh, he is cool, too. But that's just not. This is not our thing.

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Alternate Line: is it?

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Greg Dingwall: Is it Mcgee?

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Alternate Line: Mcgee. I don't know, Mcgee Mcgee. I don't know what you're supposed to say.

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Andrew's iPhone: They? Yeah. The terrible director's Mcgee, isn't he, Mcg? But this is Mcgee.

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Alternate Line: Mcgee. Okay, well, having prepared my notes for this one, I'm going to spend the next couple of minutes Googling, the director. So I'll see you guys shortly. So this is dream police by Mcgee.

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Alternate Line: Please put me out. I believe that you'll be the star.

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Alternate Line: Oh, dear!

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Alternate Line: Oh.

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Alternate Line: please put me out. I believe that you will meet this time.

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Alternate Line: You believe that

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Alternate Line: me tonight I'll take

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Alternate Line: my

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Alternate Line: oh.

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Alternate Line: dream releases.

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Alternate Line: Don't you just see? The way

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Alternate Line: will be out. I believe in your motion tonight.

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Alternate Line: I never believe I won't know my life.

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Alternate Line: Don't do!

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Alternate Line: That's me!

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Alternate Line: God!

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Alternate Line: Oh, boy.

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Alternate Line: please put me out! I believe

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Alternate Line: it's time

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Alternate Line: I can't believe.

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Alternate Line: Hold on.

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Alternate Line: Okay. So that is Mcg Mcgee. Oh, screw it. I've got it the wrong way around again. Mcgee.

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Alternate Line: giggy as Wiki with Mickey as Wiki with dream dream police

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Alternate Line: dream police.

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Alternate Line: Okay, so bear with me. Right?

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Alternate Line: You with me.

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Alternate Line: Okay.

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Andrew's iPhone: We are.

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Alternate Line: This guy is called Mcgee, right?

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Alternate Line: Which sounds like the American film director.

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Alternate Line: Mic G.

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Alternate Line: Mcg

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Alternate Line: directed

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Alternate Line: Charlie's Angels. 2 full throttle

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Alternate Line: right.

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Greg Dingwall: We all know that. Come on.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, starting Lucy Liu.

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Alternate Line: right?

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Alternate Line: Lucy Liu was, became famous in TV show Ali Mcbeal.

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Alternate Line: which also starred Callista Flockhart as the titular character.

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Alternate Line: You see where I'm going, Andrew, you're picking up on my vibes here right? Calista flockcarps married to Harrison Ford.

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Alternate Line: Harrison Ford was in Star Wars.

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Alternate Line: Star Wars was directed by George Lucas. George Lucas is best friends with Steven Spielberg.

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Andrew's iPhone: Ha! Ha!

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Alternate Line: And Steven Spielberg

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Alternate Line: had something to do with 5.

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Andrew's iPhone: That was wasted.

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Alternate Line: So when you think about it like that, you know, there is a great theme running through the whole podcast.

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Andrew's iPhone: That was what I was going for. Thank you for.

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Greg Dingwall: It was a deep lore.

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Alternate Line: Big law, big podcast law.

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Alternate Line: Oh, yeah, there was a song as well. So I was dream police by

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Alternate Line: Mcgee. What do you think, Andrew, what drew you to this one.

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Andrew's iPhone: So this is a this is a guy who's getting a lot of

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Andrew's iPhone: a lot of coverage at the moment.

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Andrew's iPhone: and I'm a little bit late to the party with this to be honest.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah. So Mcgee is a New Jersey guitarist, vocalist and producer.

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Andrew's iPhone: and, as I say he's 1 of the year's biggest word of mouth success stories. So he's been putting out releases since 2017

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Andrew's iPhone: including some distinctive contributions that he made to a very good album, called absolutely by the R. And B. Singer Dijon.

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Andrew's iPhone: But it was with the release of the Mcg debut album, 2 Star and the dream police back in February that he really got the ball rolling.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, so, as I said, I was a little bit late to that.

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Andrew's iPhone: But there's a

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Andrew's iPhone: a vinyl edition of the album that's just about to come out

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Andrew's iPhone: as well as a non album single, called Rockman, which is really good.

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Andrew's iPhone: and he's also done some recent performances on Saturday night. Live as well as a tour as well. That's bringing

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Andrew's iPhone: him to to a lot of years as well. So I think I'm kind of justified in bringing this track in, even though it's quite a few months old. At this point.

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Andrew's iPhone: a few days ago the Guardian had a 5 star rave of his London show

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Andrew's iPhone: under the headline, is this The World's most exciting young guitarist?

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Andrew's iPhone: And so, of course, I've picked the a track that's relatively light on guitar

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Andrew's iPhone: But also in Mcgee's world, and on any Mcgee track, anything and everything can be a guitar. And so.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so maybe you can. Maybe you can explain to me and how much of this is, or isn't a guitar, and.

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Alternate Line: You sent us away on a sort of a Youtube video watch of a nerdy man talking about the guitar sound for 10 min, which I did, Julie watch. I think Greg watched it as well. Is that right? Yes, so there's plenty plenty of interesting things to say about it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Cool. I mean, this is the last track on the album, but it's become the opener of his, his live show, so I can almost imagine this acting as like a kind of low key.

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Andrew's iPhone: spotlit, intimate introduction, and before he kind of goes into the the Boomier Rock Star posturing of some of the bigger numbers. And as Greg was talking about earlier, there's a lot of eighties stuff going on in this project as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: M.

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Alternate Line: Eighties, vibes, big eighties vibes. So the Greg keep me right on this one. So the general vibe of the guitar playing here is that he's playing

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Alternate Line: a fender jaguar.

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Alternate Line: which is a kind of jazz guitar, really. Jazz electric guitar tuned like a baritone so like detuned quite low. And then he's plugged the guitar into like an ancient bit of like

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Alternate Line: recording tech the kind of things that Greg and I, you know, got our teeth into in the late nineties. I would say little sort of cassettes that you could use to record

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Alternate Line: multi-tracks.

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Alternate Line: And he's plugged the guitar into that, and then out of that into like a series of well, it looks like a simple series of pedals, including things like chorus and stereo delay and stuff like that. But the the cassette deck thing

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Alternate Line: is providing.

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Alternate Line: Well, I'm not sure what it's providing. Actually, it's it's sort of making it fizzy, I think, is is what I sort of drew from the video that we're right big.

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Greg Dingwall: Yeah, I don't know if it's so much in this

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Greg Dingwall: track that you hear it, but

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Greg Dingwall: the the point of that seems to be

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Greg Dingwall: his ability to

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Greg Dingwall: have

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Greg Dingwall: quite

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Greg Dingwall: a

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Greg Dingwall: spacious textured playing when he's playing quite soft in the strings, and then when he attacks

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Greg Dingwall: the strings, then you get this very harsh

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Greg Dingwall: digital sounding, oddly enough.

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Greg Dingwall: M.

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Greg Dingwall: Distortion, but then.

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Greg Dingwall: coupled with his reverb and stuff that he's got going on, it has a smoothness to it that

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Greg Dingwall: is deemed to be

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Greg Dingwall: pleasant.

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Alternate Line: Okay.

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Alternate Line: He's he's an interesting player, but I don't know that like

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Alternate Line: I mean.

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Alternate Line: I don't know if it goes for us. See, when you, said, the Guardian said. Is this the most exciting young guitarist in the world? I just wanted to go? No.

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Alternate Line: it's not because, like I don't know that there's anything that he's doing

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Alternate Line: that I just haven't heard before, and I like that. He's got like a method for getting this this particular sound that we've kind of talked there, but

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Alternate Line: I just think there's easier ways to do it. I don't think that it's an unachievable sound by a variety of other ways. I've always been into my pedals and stuff, haven't I, Greg?

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Greg Dingwall: Yeah, your water sound.

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Alternate Line: My water sound. I invented the water sound on my pedals once by using just a lot of pedals and not making a lot of sense with it. But I like playing texturally when I'm in a band, and I like thinking about that sort of stuff.

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Alternate Line: so I don't. I didn't. The 1st time I listened to

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Alternate Line: Mcgee I didn't go.

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Alternate Line: Wow! That I don't know how you did that, because the guy was like, Oh, the guy in the video was like, How does he do this? And I was like

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Alternate Line: with chorus, I think, is pretty much the answer. The bit where he goes high and attacks the strings and gets the fizzy sound.

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Alternate Line: It's cool. How he did that without switching a pedal or something.

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Alternate Line: but

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Alternate Line: I don't know. I don't know what the value is

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Alternate Line: of doing that and not switching a pedal.

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Alternate Line: Not really sure.

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Alternate Line: but I will say, because none of that really reviews the track dream police.

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Alternate Line: I did very much enjoy the atmosphere of this track, and I think tonally, the guitar is not interesting, but massively adds to the atmosphere of this. It made me think of Frank Ocean.

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Alternate Line: For some reason which I'm always happy to think about. Frank Ocean.

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Alternate Line: He

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Alternate Line: as a as a just a sort of

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Alternate Line: pop, star, or rock star, or whatever he looks

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Alternate Line: cool, and he sounds very of the moment as well. So I'm going to have to reserve judgment on this. To be honest, because I don't think that track on its own is enough for me to say I love this person, or I hate this person or anything like it, I'll need to do a bit more research, which I'd be happy to do. But

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Alternate Line: yeah, we'll say, you, Greg.

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Greg Dingwall: I feel very similarly to you. I like the track. I think it's a nice track.

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Greg Dingwall: I think it makes. I can see why, it makes a lot more sense in a live context. I think, just as you're saying.

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Greg Dingwall: there are other ways to achieve

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Greg Dingwall: broadly what he's doing.

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Greg Dingwall: you know

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Greg Dingwall: with with some keys, or with a couple of different guitar parts. And I see why

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Greg Dingwall: the combination of these these textures and and sounds and flavors

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Greg Dingwall: by one guy who's there, and you can see that he's doing all of that

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Greg Dingwall: would be exciting. And

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Greg Dingwall: so I I

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Greg Dingwall: so I get that as a recorded thing, I just take the song, and it's on its merits. I think it's nice, I think it's uneventful. It's a mood, you know. Isn't it? His voice is great.

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Greg Dingwall: It actually reminded me of

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Greg Dingwall: Gotcha, you know.

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Alternate Line: Oh, yeah.

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Greg Dingwall: That I used to know. It's got that kind of

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Greg Dingwall: Plodding's not the right word, but it kind of pulses along.

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Greg Dingwall: and that

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Greg Dingwall: kind of wonky vibe across it.

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Alternate Line: I also got sting as well. I got.

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Greg Dingwall: Yes.

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Alternate Line: They exit the early part of the track.

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Greg Dingwall: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: There's a lot. There's a lot of sting on the elbow. Yeah, a lot of the police. And

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Andrew's iPhone: Phil Collins especially Prince, as well on different tracks.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I'm actually really enjoying the album. And, as I say, this is the last track, and it is one of the maybe the more subdued ones. It was actually kind of the frank oceanness of it that maybe

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Andrew's iPhone: maybe think that maybe like it might appeal to you, Ian. But yeah.

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Alternate Line: And he's got.

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Andrew's iPhone: Of like smudgy, gaseous quality to the thing. It's like he's kind of going back to that kind of vapor wave, chill, wave.

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Andrew's iPhone: aesthetic.

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Andrew's iPhone: or that kind of early Alex G. Bankamp. Lo-fi thing. Yeah, there's something kind of ephemeral about the whole thing that you can't quite grasp.

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Andrew's iPhone: and I think that makes the music quite Moorish for me. It's like these kind of fleeting sensations that you want to go back and experience again.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so, yeah, I can I I totally agree. Anybody that says, you know, is this the most exciting thing ever.

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Andrew's iPhone: or or even at the moment you're always my reaction is nearly always no as well. But I can. I can see why people are are intrigued with this project definitely.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, it that question as well.

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Alternate Line: brings to mind the age old question of actually, what is a good

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Alternate Line: guitarist? Since we're talking about guitarists, but musician generally. So if you're going to just ask me technically, who's the most exciting guitarist in the world doing new stuff? I think the answer is Tim Henson from polyphia, because if you watch him.

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Alternate Line: he's doing stuff that and and playing in ways that I had never conceived of. It's like you used to watch Youtube videos like, 20 years ago, of someone playing like a 10 second lick that was like super complicated. And he does that

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Alternate Line: like 5 min at a time, and then stops for a minute and just does it again on another song. It's not not my taste at all. I actually really don't like their music at all. I think it's unlistenable tripe, but the guy does have absolute, unbelievable tackers, whereas this chap here

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Alternate Line: it's gone for a totally different approach, like, there's nothing in this particular song or the one in the video, actually, that we watched that makes me go. Wow! This guy's got like.

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Alternate Line: you know, chops. But but he's focused much more on the craft, I guess, and and focusing on making a sound

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Alternate Line: So maybe that's more important.

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Alternate Line: I don't know.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, but it's a it's a style that suits the kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: mood and vibe that he's going for. I guess.

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Greg Dingwall: I'd be interested to hear the if there are.

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Greg Dingwall: and

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Greg Dingwall: quote unquote Rockier moments and on the album, and what it sounds like with a different

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Greg Dingwall: mood as well, just to see how you know how flexible this

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Greg Dingwall: this kind of

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Greg Dingwall: the stalers.

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: all right.

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Alternate Line: Okay, Mcgee.

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Alternate Line: You've received

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Alternate Line: passing marks from the lads here, and it's time to time to produce some more.

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Alternate Line: some more stuff for us to have a listen to, so I think I'll I'll need to go and have a listen to that record. Then what was the what was the other project he was part of. Did you say.

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Alternate Line: Dijon?

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Andrew's iPhone: Dijonne.

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Andrew's iPhone: That is that kind of alternative. R and B.

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Andrew's iPhone: Frank ocean serpent with feet. Kind of thing, which which is, yeah. Always kind of appeals to me, as well.

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Alternate Line: I love. When you do that you just say something like serpent with feet, and nobody knows what it means. And I was like.

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Andrew's iPhone: Is, that.

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Alternate Line: Is that is that a recent thing separate with feet.

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Andrew's iPhone: M.

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Andrew's iPhone: He's already a little bit passive. To be honest.

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Alternate Line: Go ahead!

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Andrew's iPhone: They used to go for about 1015 years.

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Alternate Line: Get out of here, Shermant, with feet. Alright. Okay. So.

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Greg Dingwall: Could have sworn, Ian, that when you were asking Andrew there, what was that guy called again, knowing that it was Dijon, there was a horrible mustard joke about.

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Alternate Line: I am very disappointed that you would think that about me. I have never, I would never lower myself to that, never would I ever lower myself to that.

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Alternate Line: You! You still feel like it's coming, don't you? It's actually not.

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Greg Dingwall: Going to close close the podcast

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Greg Dingwall: you thought away.

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Alternate Line: I'll have to go and have a big think about mustard puns. But I'll

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Alternate Line: now probably just not bother. That's fine. Okay. So I was on my best behaviour as well with the no mustard pun.

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Alternate Line: Right here we go. So last steaming new track of the day is

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Alternate Line: all of Jones, and almost all of Jones

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Alternate Line: sort of does a to camera on Instagram explaining what this song's about.

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Alternate Line: and it's about self-care.

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Alternate Line: says Olive Jones.

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Alternate Line: I'll just let that sit with you for a wee second before we listen to it. Self-care. I wonder if she meant like?

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Alternate Line: I don't know

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01:14:48.820 --> 01:14:52.950
Alternate Line: getting at the hard skin with a pumice stone on her feet, or something like that, or

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Alternate Line: it's hard to know nobody knows, in fact, and that's the name of the song, here we go.

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Alternate Line: I don't want to accept them.

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Alternate Line: I don't need no life

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Alternate Line: days

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01:15:38.450 --> 01:15:44.050
Alternate Line: when my mind is crazy. It tells me I'm wrong

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Alternate Line: when I'm right.

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Alternate Line: been hiding in the shadow.

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Alternate Line: Been there too long?

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Alternate Line: Do I hide from myself my pride, and what could go wrong?

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Alternate Line: I talk to

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Alternate Line: and ask myself why I wait in the darkness for things to

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Alternate Line: teach my mom passing wave time

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Alternate Line: a.

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Alternate Line: That

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01:16:56.060 --> 01:16:58.230
Alternate Line: that's a long old girl

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Alternate Line: baby

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01:17:02.420 --> 01:17:07.480
Alternate Line: from time compass

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Alternate Line: on your own.

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Alternate Line: The moon

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Alternate Line: you find.

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Alternate Line: give you

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Alternate Line: a

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Alternate Line: send you off.

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01:17:23.970 --> 01:17:24.780
Alternate Line: I am.

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01:17:25.900 --> 01:17:27.260
Alternate Line: Be ashamed.

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01:17:29.690 --> 01:17:32.560
Alternate Line: Ages snare

883
01:17:40.590 --> 01:17:41.540
Alternate Line: the snow!

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01:17:47.980 --> 01:17:49.860
Alternate Line: Oh.

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01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:57.690
Alternate Line: oh.

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01:18:00.010 --> 01:18:00.990
Alternate Line: oh.

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01:18:10.650 --> 01:18:12.539
Alternate Line: nobody knows.

888
01:18:13.300 --> 01:18:14.010
Alternate Line: Oh.

889
01:18:14.630 --> 01:18:15.430
Alternate Line: oh, shit.

890
01:18:16.150 --> 01:18:18.849
Alternate Line: That's the same old question

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01:18:22.870 --> 01:18:25.280
Alternate Line: in the shame

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Alternate Line: I

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Alternate Line: no one

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Alternate Line: tells you

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Alternate Line: you're gonna die.

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Alternate Line: Snowball

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Alternate Line: didn't know.

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Alternate Line: So

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Alternate Line: a.

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Alternate Line: And

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Alternate Line: so I

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Alternate Line: hang the stone. So

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Alternate Line: so

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Alternate Line: tell you to

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Alternate Line: to find peace by the shore.

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Alternate Line: Forces shine.

907
01:19:08.630 --> 01:19:09.560
Alternate Line: shine

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01:19:10.110 --> 01:19:10.880
Alternate Line: once more.

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01:19:11.700 --> 01:19:16.150
Alternate Line: closing my eyes, float

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01:19:16.870 --> 01:19:17.730
Alternate Line: time!

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01:19:19.540 --> 01:19:20.470
Alternate Line: A.

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01:19:22.070 --> 01:19:25.629
Alternate Line: All right, that is, nobody knows.

913
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Alternate Line: By all of Jones.

914
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Alternate Line: So Olive Jones, an artist, I couldn't find the huge amount about on

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Alternate Line: the Internet for my research, Andrew.

916
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Alternate Line: what's going on with all of John's.

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01:19:39.630 --> 01:19:47.750
Andrew's iPhone: I must admit I don't have too much on her. Really. She is a Dorset born London dwelling singer.

918
01:19:49.100 --> 01:19:50.370
Andrew's iPhone: Who

919
01:19:50.480 --> 01:19:54.350
Andrew's iPhone: who draws from soul jazz and old folk.

920
01:19:54.490 --> 01:20:08.599
Andrew's iPhone: and and she she's been involved in in kind of various projects, contributing vocals probably most prominently to the Leeds based hip, hop, jazz trio got Street Park.

921
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Andrew's iPhone: and

922
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Andrew's iPhone: and now she's starting to build up her profile as a solo artist.

923
01:20:13.710 --> 01:20:17.539
Andrew's iPhone: And this is a track from her just released. Ep

924
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:19.909
Andrew's iPhone: called 3 more nights.

925
01:20:20.240 --> 01:20:20.940
Andrew's iPhone: And

926
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Andrew's iPhone: and yeah, as I say, I couldn't find a great amount of research about it. I don't have massive amounts to say about it. I just think it's a really nice song, and I just I just just like it.

927
01:20:35.620 --> 01:20:45.239
Alternate Line: I think it's very nicely written. And, Greg, I wonder did you spot any similarities between this track and a particular deadline? Shakes track.

928
01:20:49.210 --> 01:20:52.000
Alternate Line: It sounds just like yes and no answers to me.

929
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Greg Dingwall: All right. Okay.

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01:20:54.490 --> 01:20:59.209
Alternate Line: Pace. The chords, even the way it ends is actually

931
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Alternate Line: is actually quite similar. So all of if you're listening to this, Greg and I can play this no greater compliment than to compared to one of our own tracks.

932
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Andrew's iPhone: It's 1 of those songs that works.

933
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Andrew's iPhone: whoever played an acoustic guitar, or as it's done here. So there's a really nice version of her just sitting on the grass playing it with an acoustic. That's really lovely, but I think

934
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Andrew's iPhone: the way they've done the arrangement and the production on this, it turns it into something else again, like I enjoy all the

935
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Andrew's iPhone: the different chimes and bells and things that are going on with the production. I think that's just a really nice.

936
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Alternate Line: Well, when I.

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Andrew's iPhone: Strained, refined, tasteful thing going on.

938
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Alternate Line: When I was thinking about it. Just actually, before you popped on the zoom call I actually had. When Greg was coming on, I had my acoustic guitar on my knee, because the 1st thing I did was go. Oh, yeah, that we ref at the start. I can work that out so it does feel does feel nice acoustically.

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Alternate Line: Gig. What do you think.

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Greg Dingwall: Yeah, Smoky

941
01:22:03.850 --> 01:22:07.680
Greg Dingwall: Smoky, a namesake that did come to mind.

942
01:22:08.040 --> 01:22:11.179
Greg Dingwall: which some people might take as a criticism which don't intend it that way.

943
01:22:11.230 --> 01:22:12.420
Greg Dingwall: nor adjoints.

944
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Alternate Line: Nora Jones, for sure.

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Greg Dingwall: I think, in the vibe and the smokiness of the vocal

946
01:22:18.610 --> 01:22:22.719
Greg Dingwall: I do like the production. I like the way that it

947
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Greg Dingwall: starts off. I couldn't. I've listened to a number of times and try to figure out if through automation, where you're gradually making a change in a kind of sliding scale.

948
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Greg Dingwall: Elements of the production, like the drums, are actually becoming. They're getting nearer as the song goes on. Or if that's just an effect through the different

949
01:22:41.530 --> 01:22:45.399
Greg Dingwall: production elements that are brought in the the vibes, and all that kind of thing.

950
01:22:45.745 --> 01:22:49.430
Greg Dingwall: You know it sound. It starts off distant, albeit her vocal

951
01:22:49.440 --> 01:22:51.660
Greg Dingwall: clear as a bell in the middle.

952
01:22:51.880 --> 01:23:02.639
Greg Dingwall: and then, just as time goes on, you know the I don't know. It's the rim shot, or you know, elements of the drums start to get closer. Other bits do. The song obviously ramps up a bit in intensity. I mean, it never gets

953
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:04.580
Greg Dingwall: mental, but

954
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Greg Dingwall: us kind of

955
01:23:06.594 --> 01:23:08.780
Greg Dingwall: it does have a structure that

956
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Greg Dingwall: it feels like you have gone somewhere, you know, one of the other tracks, and you didn't feel like you really get anywhere, and I think you do with with that one.

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Greg Dingwall: So I think it's

959
01:23:19.400 --> 01:23:21.020
Greg Dingwall: I think it's very nicely.

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01:23:22.140 --> 01:23:27.570
Greg Dingwall: nicely done. I'd actually, I'd like to see the I'll watch the acoustic one because it

961
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Greg Dingwall: I do. I thought about the production more than much else. And your nice voice.

962
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Greg Dingwall: It was the production that I was thinking about with this. So actually hearing it, a different way would be.

963
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Greg Dingwall: it would be good, too. But yeah, very, very nice. And you said, tasteful, Andrew, I think that's that's the word. It's all done.

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Greg Dingwall: Very kind of

965
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Greg Dingwall: nothing goes

966
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Greg Dingwall: too far

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Greg Dingwall: into

968
01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:55.830
Greg Dingwall: into cheese, or, you know, I think the effects the the first.st Listen I actually thought, are there too many

969
01:23:55.900 --> 01:23:59.759
Greg Dingwall: effects and reverbs and stuff going on here? And is it getting a bit swimmy?

970
01:23:59.810 --> 01:24:02.650
Greg Dingwall: Then I think the more you listen to it. It all works.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, I think so. I would have said, because, like I said, we, we do have a song that is a bit like this from 2020 two's second deadline shakes record to documentaries called Yes and No answers, and the section of the song where we do expand out a bit, we do go quite spacey in big

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Alternate Line: at that point, and there's a sort of loud, fuzzy guitar, so they go there a bit.

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Alternate Line: But don't don't go.

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Alternate Line: Don't go all the way.

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Alternate Line: So

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Alternate Line: fair enough, different. Approach. It's a nice song, really well written, really well performed.

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Alternate Line: I think she's got a really nice voice, actually.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: I could listen to more of that.

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Andrew's iPhone: The guy that produced it is a guy called James Wyatt, and he's actually

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Andrew's iPhone: more known for being a big pop producer. He's produced like Ellie Goulding. And people like that.

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Andrew's iPhone: so yeah, it's it's kind of interesting that he's working with her and

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Andrew's iPhone: maybe changing his style a little bit to fit her as well. Yeah, on this, and so she's got an album coming out

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Andrew's iPhone: quite soon, called called for Mary.

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Andrew's iPhone: and so I think it'll be interesting to to hear it.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I'm pleased he's use like that. I was. I was a little bit worried that you might just

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01:25:17.710 --> 01:25:24.210
Andrew's iPhone: it. It could. It could easily kind of just dismiss it as being a bit planned, or something like that. But I think there is enough going on in the track.

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Andrew's iPhone: To kind of merit it. And on a similar note there was a new track this week by Cleo Saul, who who I love.

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01:25:34.550 --> 01:25:38.099
Andrew's iPhone: and we're kind of working in that that kind of modern soul, Lane

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01:25:38.230 --> 01:25:44.089
Andrew's iPhone: and I very nearly brought that in. But we've I've talked about her quite a bit in the podcast through our sort of working.

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Alternate Line: Salt with salt salt. I was going to say what's happened to salt recently.

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Andrew's iPhone: Sulture oil.

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01:25:49.409 --> 01:25:55.699
Andrew's iPhone: Well, they had these incredible live shows, like I was at the very start of the year, and I think they're

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01:25:55.730 --> 01:26:00.810
Andrew's iPhone: they've been kind of like teasing, like videos of them rehearsing again. So I think there might be some

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Andrew's iPhone: some more live shows or a tour or something. But yeah, they're always kind of working on something.

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01:26:05.940 --> 01:26:09.660
Andrew's iPhone: And but there was a really kind of interesting interview with her.

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Andrew's iPhone: We've we've seen low, and it was like the 1st time that she's really done an interview. I think she's not quite normally quite

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Andrew's iPhone: private person.

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01:26:17.370 --> 01:26:20.070
Andrew's iPhone: and she was saying quite a few things that

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01:26:20.770 --> 01:26:27.420
Andrew's iPhone: we've kind of joked about in the past. The sniff test. Yeah.

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01:26:27.500 --> 01:26:32.240
Andrew's iPhone: She was talking about how she sees herself as a vessel for God.

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Andrew's iPhone: and she's got to keep her vessel clean and pure, and

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, edit all that kind of stuff. But

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Andrew's iPhone: honestly, when she says it, it's just

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01:26:43.110 --> 01:26:49.470
Andrew's iPhone: it just kind of rings totally true. And she's just absolutely brilliant. And her music is just absolutely wonderful.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so so yeah, so I I'd recommend people check out her track. That's just come out. Fear when you fly is a really nice track.

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Andrew's iPhone: and apparently there's there's more to come as well, so

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Andrew's iPhone: I'm sure we'll talk about hard again at some point.

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Alternate Line: Yeah. Well, I hope that soon 3 of us and pals can get together, and all be the vessels for Guinness. And possibly.

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Greg Dingwall: Okay.

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Alternate Line: Well done, Greg. Big debut on the pod. You're not an interviewed guest. You're just chatting shit like the rest of us.

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Greg Dingwall: I thought this was my sophomore effort.

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01:27:26.060 --> 01:27:27.269
Alternate Line: It was a debut.

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Andrew's iPhone: But there's no slump. So yeah.

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Alternate Line: Right normally at this point. Is the bit where I do all the waffle a bit while you get your notes together, Andrew.

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01:27:38.120 --> 01:27:42.440
Alternate Line: I don't know if you want to try and do that, or will I. Are you not prepared for that? Not prepared for that?

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Alternate Line: You, too.

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Andrew's iPhone: Not good at flogging stuff.

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: neither am I, actually particularly. But we just do it anyway. Right? So it's the vinyl word. But I changed the normal vinyl word, I'm going to recommend a linked track today. And I believe I did at some point actually have this on Vinyl. But I do no longer have it. I went and had a wee look at it, and I do no longer have it.

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Alternate Line: So before I tell you about that guys, can I just say, thanks very much to Greg for joining us this week and thank you all for listening.

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Alternate Line: If you enjoy listening to a podcast the absolute best thing you can do is just, please keep listening to the podcast. Recommend it to your friends, music lovers give us a like on social media, posts, etc. But if you're wondering to yourself.

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Alternate Line: is it possible for me to financially contribute to this? Podcast do you know what guys there is? An answer.

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Andrew's iPhone: Go on!

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Alternate Line: You can. You actually can you just go to www.buymeacoffee.com slash.

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Alternate Line: We heard wonders, and for the price of a pumpkin spice latte, we could continue to make this podcast right? Final word. Here it comes here it comes. So yeah. So I was thinking about doves. And I was thinking about my youth, and I was thinking about the year 2,000. And you said Andrew, year 2,000 was a big a big year for you. Me, too.

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Alternate Line: Okay. So I tried to put myself back into the sort of headspace that I was in and what I was listening to at the time. So I was thinking of something that was kind of maybe like similar to doves. Similar time period, obviously, but also like tonally similar melancholy but hopeful personal struggle, search for meaning all that sort of stuff. And so the track I've selected is from the year 2,000 and same year as the last broadcast by doves last broadcast or lost souls.

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Andrew's iPhone: Lost those with 2,000. Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Apologies. Yeah, so I have selected you, of course, knew I was going to pick this badly drawn boy, Aka Damon Gough.

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Alternate Line: and he won the Mercury prize that year for his debut album, the hour of bewilderbeest which features this track I'm about to play. It's a mix of hour of bewilderbeest. Probably everyone's heard it, but it's a mix of folk Indie rock electronic, and it has elements that are a bit like doves being atmospheric and genre blending, and so on.

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Alternate Line: Damon Gough famously interrupts himself on stage multiple times, and I also saw badly drawn boy around about the same time as doves, and he also kept interrupting himself on his best songs during the gig. And I was like, is this just what everyone does now like? Is this just a sort of it's not a glitch. It's a feature, anyway. So I'm going to play us out this week with the badly drawn boy song. Once around the block.

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Alternate Line: And all that's left is for me to say goodbye, everyone, and we'll see you down the road.

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Andrew's iPhone: See you later. Guys.

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Greg Dingwall: Bye.

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Greg Dingwall: ow!

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Greg Dingwall: Quiver like.

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Greg Dingwall: Well, maybe

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Greg Dingwall: tonight we could

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Greg Dingwall: show.

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01:31:27.760 --> 01:31:28.770
Greg Dingwall: That's amazing.

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Greg Dingwall: I star

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Greg Dingwall: as well.

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Greg Dingwall: Oh.

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Greg Dingwall: feel like

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Greg Dingwall: instead.

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Greg Dingwall: I live on the inside

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Greg Dingwall: actuated.

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01:31:57.460 --> 01:32:00.190
Greg Dingwall: Gonna search out for your glue.

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Greg Dingwall: Ow!

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Greg Dingwall: Want to.

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Greg Dingwall: Is that

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01:32:23.020 --> 01:32:26.439
Greg Dingwall: that I start from just wanting to?

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Greg Dingwall: I see the vision. Here we rise.

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Greg Dingwall: I

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Greg Dingwall: innocence no longer feel

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Greg Dingwall: to live without dinner?

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Greg Dingwall: Oh.

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Greg Dingwall: Back to the

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Greg Dingwall: oh.

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Greg Dingwall: give it a give it a bath!

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Greg Dingwall: Da. Da.

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Greg Dingwall: Oh God.

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Greg Dingwall: you never know.

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Greg Dingwall: Da da

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Greg Dingwall: no.

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Greg Dingwall: and

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Greg Dingwall: it is

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Greg Dingwall: trying to

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Greg Dingwall: on the sleeve.

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Greg Dingwall: So

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Greg Dingwall: show up.

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Greg Dingwall: Know this

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Greg Dingwall: whales go

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Greg Dingwall: again.