New Music - The Limiñanas! DARKSIDE! Everything is Recorded! Marshall Allen! Ichiko Aoba!

Fascinating, sometimes unexpected pairings and groupings are the name of the game on this week’s @weheardwonders podcast. Iain and Andrew share their favourite musical mash-ups, before moving on to review five collaboration-heavy new projects. Bobby Gillespie lives out his noirish, faded glamour fantasies alongside Mr & Mrs of French garage-rock The Limiñanas; DARKSIDE expand to a trio and jam out; Richard Russell and assorted friends turn existential on the latest Everything Is Recorded document; Sun Ra acolyte Marshall Allen enlists Neneh Cherry and proves it’s never too late to take centre-stage; while Japanese folk singer Ichiko Aoba and composer Taro Umebayashi once again take a deep dive into the fantastical. Something dark and devilish has The Vinyl Word. Listen to We Heard Wonders on your podcast platform of choice; tell your friends; like, subscribe and recommend; catch up with previous editions and support the show by buying us a Coffee (link in the show’s bio).

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Alternate Line: Reincarnated. I'm a stargazer. Life goes on. I need to have my babies woke up looking for the broccoli. I keep keep a horn on the deck of my seat. I keep ownership of blue

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Alternate Line: print is by me. Mr. Get off! I get off at my feet, but you, nigga, couldn't try me in a tri-state running past, but I get a splash to me. Hydrated bounce out movie spook town eyes dilated. I got the money and the power both gyrating. I feel good. Get the fuck out. My thighs look good, but she don't got no ties. I walk in. Walk out with us eyes, man. Don't let me know what the pie.

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Alternate Line: any questions, what the fuck hello and welcome to. We heard wonders, the music podcast. That does the mash.

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Alternate Line: It does the how you doing, Andrew?

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes, I am doing very well. How are you getting on.

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Alternate Line: All right. Thank you. Been a busy, busy chap doing things. But we're here at the podcast 2 weeks in a row. Look at us.

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Andrew's iPhone: We're doing it, we're doing it. Who are you?

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Alternate Line: My name's Ian. I'm in Glasgow band. The deadline shakes, and you can get us on. All the social medias at Deadline shakes, and you.

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Andrew's iPhone: And my name is Andrew. I buy records and write about them on Instagram at Kidagh, 86.

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Alternate Line: You. You do. You absolutely do that? Yeah. So I started off with wee mash up there. Did you catch the 2 tracks that were being mashed.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yep, absolutely. So you got Kendrick and a little bit of Sabrina as well.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, Kendrick, Lord and Sabrina Carpenter. Now the reason that particular mashup came to my attention was,

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Alternate Line: my son and I were in the car the other day, and my older son, Robin, and we're on the way back from a Rugby match, and he asked to listen to Kendrick. So we put some on clean versions of girls, good parent, and then that just came on. It just sort of like wormed its way into the into the playlist, and we both thought it was great. We had a good laugh at it, and then we just were like.

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Alternate Line: That's actually that's actually good, though.

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Andrew's iPhone: It was pretty good.

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Andrew's iPhone: Okay.

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Alternate Line: I'm always surprised by mashups like why they like shouldn't

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Alternate Line: work. But they do. I think my 1st introduction to the concept of a mashup was Dj. Danger Mouse, where he took Jay Z's the Black Album and the Beatles White Album, and made the great album. I've always thought that was really cool. He did it in a really like clever, witty way as well. It wasn't just like slapped on top of each other. It was really really produced really? Well, as you'd expect from Danger Mouse, you get any favorite mashups.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I must admit I don't go too deep with mashups.

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Andrew's iPhone: I find that they don't age particularly well.

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Andrew's iPhone: Improve upon the original, and maybe don't have the replay value for me. But yeah, there have been like ones that I've enjoyed over the years around the same time as the Danger Mouse one. There was the too many Djs radio soul wax.

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Andrew's iPhone: Which which I did enjoy at the time. And yeah, just some really kind of inspired, unexpected pairings on that one. So you had like no fun by the Stooges matched up with the salt and pepper

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Andrew's iPhone: and independent woman by Destiny's child over the rubbing track of Dreadlock Holiday. Yeah, just when you have it, that kind of incongruous meeting of minds. It's good fun, I think.

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Andrew's iPhone: It is. Yeah, I think I think it's gonna be called something different. Now.

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Andrew's iPhone: But but yeah, it's still going.

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Andrew's iPhone: Urchin.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's just like, yeah, just a genius kind of mashup of Gary Newman and Adina Howard.

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Andrew's iPhone: And it, yeah, it's just just to have a track that bold and that good go to number one is just the way it should be, but it really is

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Andrew's iPhone: and my absolute personal favorite. I don't know if you've heard this one. It's a giddily enjoyable pairing of Eddie Cochrane's. Come on, everybody and drop it like it's hot.

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Andrew's iPhone: and it's I don't actually know who did it. But it's it's on Youtube. And it's such good fun. So I'd recommend people checking that out.

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Alternate Line: That that may not be true. Okay. So we're back for another new music podcast. This week. And we've got a bit of a a.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yep. So we've got new music from the lemonannas, dark side

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Andrew's iPhone: everything is recorded. Marshall Allen and Ichiko Ioba.

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Alternate Line: Very nice. So this 1st one up has a wee bit of the Glasgow's about it, lemon Anna's, but they're also with Bobby Gillespie, and this track is called Prisoner of Beauty. So let's let's bash straight in. Here we go.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I've been following them for a for wee while.

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Andrew's iPhone: there's definitely a kind of formula to what they do. And so if this is your kind of 1st exposure to the lemon annas, I'd say this is pretty representative of what they do. That kind of vaguely psychedelic

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Andrew's iPhone: to find new variations and and new kind of angles on on what they do. And one of the ways that they're doing, that is, by bringing in guest vocalists. Such as Bobby Gillespie also doesn't help when you bring somebody like him in just in terms of getting attention for the project as well. I think.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes, it's definitely. It's definitely a kind of mode that that Bobby Gillespie sometimes goes in and.

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Andrew's iPhone: yeah, I mean, I I can't really think of many musicians that have made music of more variable quality than Bobby Gillespie of the year.

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Andrew's iPhone: Like, you know, when he's inspired and when he's surrounded by the right collaborators, whether it be like Andrew Everall or Manny or Kevin shields. He's capable of real kind of greatness, and we've talked before about

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Andrew's iPhone: the ecstatic qualities of stream Idellica. And then, you know, things like vanishing point as well, and exterminator are fantastic forward thinking

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Andrew's iPhone: Of elements of that here, like some of the lyrics, are

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Andrew's iPhone: pretty preposterous, but it kind of works, I think, with with the backing that the alumni has given here.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes, yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: He starts to single his words a little bit quicker, I guess, towards the end, so that.

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Andrew's iPhone: Like kind of that. They're trying to kind of escalate it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Escalate attention a little bit. But you're you're right as as it's more about the kind of groove of the thing. I was wondering if it maybe goes on a bit, because it's nearly 5 min long, but and it could probably do what it does in free, but

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Andrew's iPhone: I think that is the kind of the the kind of aim of the track is to.

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Andrew's iPhone: stuff that they've done. They've had a lot of kind of needle drops in different series over the years, because it's just that if you're ever needing like a scene or a series to just kind of immediately have a sense of kind of cool to it. Then, you know, just drop lemon Amazon. It'll work, you know, like that kind of Noirish European cool that they bring to everything. So that yeah. So they've kind of featured in shows like gossip girl Russian doll killing Eve as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: and yes, they've had lots of records over the years. They've worked quite closely with Anton Newcomb from the Brian Jonestown massacre before, who incidentally also has a new project out called All Seeing doll

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Andrew's iPhone: dolls with Allison which has a kind of similarly shadowy psych vibe to it. And so that's quite a good record. That's just come out that people could maybe check out as well. But yeah, this this new album is called faded.

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Andrew's iPhone: and it's dubbed as 13 stories about forgotten stars and lost souls.

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Andrew's iPhone: So it's that kind of yeah, that kind of faded glamour thing that he's kind of talking about in this track.

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Andrew's iPhone: I'd say it's it's 1 of the stronger projects for a while. It's got a lot of kind of cool collaborations on it.

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Andrew's iPhone: and there's John Spencer from John Spencer, blues explosion on a couple of tracks, and kind of doing

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Andrew's iPhone: on his tracks, which is pretty cool. There's also a cover of Louis Louie.

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Andrew's iPhone: and which you know, the kind of which which could suggest that they're kind of creatively spent, you know, when they're doing that, they don't have any original ideas, but actually on the record. I think it kind of comes across as a show of confidence. It's almost as if

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Andrew's iPhone: it's almost like Louie. Louie is the kind of garage rock equivalent of doing the aristocrats joke. It's just kind of this is our version of it. We're gonna make it work.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, I think it's it's it's a it's a good record. So yeah, again, if you're if you're coming to them for the 1st time, then this is maybe a a good one to to jump on.

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Alternate Line: Let's take that recommendation. Right? So that was the Prisoner of beauty by lemon Anis and Bobby Gillespie.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. I I agree with everything you said there. And I think there's something kind of neat and fun about. So so Snc stands for still no center, I guess something kind of neat and fun about having still no center being the refrain at the center of your song called Still No Center. I think that's pretty cool. So yes, I think there was some kind of real kind of thought that's gone into the the arrangement here

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Andrew's iPhone: which is really cool and dark side, is just a really interesting and cool project, I would say. So they they consist of a dual

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Andrew's iPhone: jar, has described the project as blues, orientated and more guitar influenced than his previous work. So see, he was kind of previously working in a more progressive house or ambient idm space with music under his own name, and the alias against all logic

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Andrew's iPhone: and those those against all logic records, are really really good if people haven't checked those out before.

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, he says, dark side is the closest thing to rock and roll that he's ever done, and those kind of elements of rock. And there, as well as kind of, as you say, Pop. And all this kind of electronic influences that he's done before.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, there's 2 previous Darkside records. There was psychic in 2013,

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Andrew's iPhone: And this new album is called nothing, they said. It's a thought experiment for playing music. You're not trying to make anything happen.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, just just, I just really enjoy the the difference in those different sections as well the kind of the psychedelic chord at this at the center of the track. When it goes into the you know I did it for the she did it for the money. Yeah, I just I just think it's it's really well constructed, really, really interesting.

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Andrew's iPhone: and and just just kind of thinking about the kind of remarkable scope. And, as I say, dynamism that she kind of brings to his soundscapes in that record. I just think, you know, that that could work really really well.

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Alternate Line: Far be it for me to just go off on a wild, swinging tangent. But that's precisely what's about to happen here. Did I tell you recently I've been having a sort of like become fascinated with Zack Snyder. You know this American, like Hollywood's, like Big Budget Director, who makes like the most like

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Alternate Line: Oh, yeah, you know, reeling it back in really, back in. If you don't have it, you can never lose it. So this next up is everything is recorded. Would you want to tell us? Would you tell us about them? Maybe before we, before we kick off?

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. So everything is recorded as the collaborative project of producer, musician and excel label boss, Richard Russell.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yes, yeah. So Richard Russell, joined Excel Recordings 1991 as An. A. And R. Man.

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Andrew's iPhone: and he's always kind of had this career in parallel as a musician himself. So he started out as a Dj. He had a rave single, called the Bouncer, which was a big hit in the kind of early nineties. And then, when Excel started, kind of growing bigger and getting more successful, he kind of took a step back from music.

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Andrew's iPhone: and he's since produced records for Bobby Womack, for Damon Alborn, and others

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Andrew's iPhone: including Sly and Robbie. And that's where that's where they recorded. All those kind of classic Grace Jones records so like records like night clubbing, and and pull up to the bumper, and all those kind of amazing records.

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Andrew's iPhone: But I just thought that it would work well within this week's playlist, because I've got a few kind of slower tracks coming later on, and and I think it's enough ways as representative in the way that it it kind of brings together those those various styles, those various collaborators, in a really kind of interesting but also quite seamless way, and and it's also got

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, I just as I say, the kind of the way that the collaborators are brought together. On this track, as just one example, as you say, because so you've got the soul singer, Sampha. You've got a folk pop singer called Laura Groves. You've got post punk dub reggae adventurer jab wobble, and you've got a jazz trumpeter, called Yaz Ahmed, and he's brought together all those players and created, you know, 3 min of

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Andrew's iPhone: and everybody sounds really relaxed on the record as well. It sounds like they've actually enjoyed the recording process. So this has taken like 5 years to to complete this record. But it it I think he's come up with something really, really great, and it feels like a really kind of generous record. I would say.

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Andrew's iPhone: But but there's like there's legendary steel ice band folk singer. Maddie Pryor is on one track. You've got Kamasi Washington, Alabasa, the plume bringing their classiness and depth and and jazz background.

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Andrew's iPhone: and there is Bill Callahan kind of lending his gravitas and wisdom and right sense of humor on a few tracks, and then he's also brought in a few kind of younger artists as well up and coming artists. So they've got Noah Cyrus, Mary in the junkyard, nourished by time. So they're kind of bringing their kind of youthful vitality to the whole thing as well. So so yeah, I just think it's a really kind of interesting project. And, as you say, it's a kind of mashup of all his kind of different tastes and

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Andrew's iPhone: She does. She does. I was gonna I was, gonna say, actually, we've traveled quite some way from Buffalo stands here, haven't we? Yeah. But yeah, but I think over the years she has proven herself to be a very kind of versatile performer.

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Andrew's iPhone: and so like when she was in her teens. She's she started off in post punk groups

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Andrew's iPhone: and there was a cool record that she made in 2012, with a jazz trio called the thing which was called the cherry thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: And there's another record that she made with forte as well called blank project in 2014, which is fantastic as well, and lest we forget she is the stepdaughter of free jazz trumpeter, Don Cherry. So it's yeah. So as in the does run in the family.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, I mean, I think I was always gonna bring this record in just because of the backstory. This this idea of this avant saxophonist

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Andrew's iPhone: and it's so. I was always going to bring it in. But yeah, I do actually really enjoy this record as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: It doesn't. I mean this in the best way possible. Sound like a hundred year old man playing.

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Andrew's iPhone: And there's a kind of feeling of kind of time slowing down when listening to this track. There's a radio edit that I consider bringing in, but I thought I'd play the album version

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, I think it's I really like this track. And I surprised myself how how many times I've returned to the album as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: So for the recording they got in some of Philadelphia's brightest young jazz stars as well as veterans from the orchestra days.

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Andrew's iPhone: and, and, as I say, recorded over a couple of days, and then they kind of added some some extra touches over the coming weeks and months. But yeah, I think it's a really lovely record, this. And it reminds me a little of the the superb records that Idris acamore has made in recent years. So he's he's another

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Andrew's iPhone: And really, really, still very adventurous records. This. This album isn't quite as adventurous as that. There is something a little bit more comfortable about the whole thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: She's known for her acoustic sound and songwriting, inspired by our dreams as well as Disney music and studio Ghibli.

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Andrew's iPhone: both of which she listened to and watched growing up. So yeah, so there's that kind of sense of kind of wonder and and magic about everything that she does

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Andrew's iPhone: she's she's had countless records out over the years.

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Andrew's iPhone: The the last one before this one was called windswept add-in.

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Andrew's iPhone: which was released in 2020 to very enthusiastic critical response, and that was conceived as a soundtrack to an imaginary film

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Andrew's iPhone: and it followed the story of a young girl who's sent away by her family to the titular fictional island of Adan. Narrative follows a young girl with prophetic powers from a village of inbred families on the fictional remote island.

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Andrew's iPhone: Aioba depicts the imaginary aden as flourishing with diverse plant and animal life, and inhabited by creatures of an unspecified species that communicate using seashells in place of a spoken language.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so as as you say, it's got a really kind of strong sense of the fantastical.

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Andrew's iPhone: to it, and on that record she was working closely with a composer called Taro Umbayashi.

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Andrew's iPhone: And and that was a real kind of step away from the more kind of minimalist

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Andrew's iPhone: and she's talked about this album very much, being a continuation of that project. So indeed, the title for this new album is called luminescent creatures. Which kind of links into what you were talking about. And luminescent creatures was the closing track of that last record.

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Andrew's iPhone: so, yeah, so there's that very kind of key link there. And again, she's working in collaboration with Mbayashi.

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Andrew's iPhone: as well as the the sound engineer and photographer from that record as well. So, as she said, it began when I started wondering what happened after the protagonist of Windsort Adden disappeared along with the music of the island's inhabitants what would be left?

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Andrew's iPhone: M.

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Andrew's iPhone: So I guess what's left is, we've got kind of elements of like chamber folk, psychedelic folk.

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Andrew's iPhone: There's art pop in there as well as contemporary classical music.

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: And there's like across the album, there's even within this track there's like the delicate moments that kind of hark back to those other productions.

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Andrew's iPhone: And then you've got these moments like this that are kind of simultaneously light and dense.

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Andrew's iPhone: just just because of the kind of lush layers of instrumentation that are

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Andrew's iPhone: on these tracks, and it was just something almost kind of overwhelmingly pretty about the whole thing.

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Alternate Line: Very ethereal and very like a fantastical, you know, fairy tale type of type of music. It's very sweet.

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Alternate Line: and it does sort of

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Alternate Line: as transportative. I think it does kind of take you take you away. It's almost like the the exact opposite piece of music to the lemon. Anna's track at the top of the top of the order, which is just a big bloody slab of stuff.

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Alternate Line: whereas this is like very, very gently, lightly constructed. The vocal performance is just super super gentle, and it's very soothing to listen to, and there's no there's no one instrument

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Alternate Line: on the record which in any way dominates the kind of sonic space is all very carefully

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Alternate Line: gently laid out so that you know it, she said. I've read an interview with her, she said. She's like obsessed with sound

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Alternate Line: in lots of different ways, and and she thinks about it in kind of lots of sort of weird and wonderful ways.

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Alternate Line: So

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Alternate Line: yes, I've lost the quote I was going to go, for I'll come back to it in a second. Oh, yes, no, he is. She's drawn to the idea of sound as a means of wayfinding. She's interested in whale songar echolocation, which is a really interesting place for musicians to start from, but not entirely a logical one. Given that musicians at their simplest definition are just people who are obsessed with how things sound.

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Alternate Line: Someone said that, like all music, is is just sounds in time.

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Alternate Line: you know, and that's really that's really all it is.

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Alternate Line: you know, that quote sounds in time. Have you heard that one before?

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Andrew's iPhone: Feel like I have at some stage. Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Who is.

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Alternate Line: I don't know who said it, but I used to think of when I heard that. At 1st I think it was, my dad said. Sounds in time to me before. You know all music is just sounds in time. I can't find who wrote it. I'm not going to waste my time looking for it, but I initially thought it was in time, as in

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Alternate Line: in time, as in like to the beat, you know, on the beat of the music if it's 4, 4. Yeah, I thought of it as sounds in time, as in all music, is just constructed sounds, you know, with the concept of timekeeping being one of the forces that holds together the concept of music. But then there's lots of music where

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Alternate Line: timing is less important and things are sloppy, or or too quick, or get disheveled, or whatever.

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Alternate Line: So then I started to think about how you know, music is also sounds in time, as in representing the time periods that it that is recorded in.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes.

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Alternate Line: But that's also a problematic idea. Because, as we said, like about, you know, we said about a few tracks today, you know, they could have been recorded or written practically at any particular time. I mean, the Marshall Allen track is recorded when he's over a hundred years old, but he's essentially performing jazz music which could again could have been composed really, any time in the last what

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Alternate Line: 100 years? So that's all. So this what I'm basically trying to get at is that this echico Aioba track? It makes you think you can't help but have your brain slightly nourished by it. I don't think. Yeah. And I was interested when I was doing my sort of reading on.

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Alternate Line: just googling her and finding out a lot about her. Is that as well, probably from what we are seeing, and and the sort of

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Alternate Line: you know, the kind of stuff you were reading out about her interest in me, saying she's into like echolocation all this sort of stuff.

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Alternate Line: She sounds like a bit of weirdo. But actually, when you read and there's an interview with her in the Guardian. I don't know if you've read that.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes, it does. Yeah.

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Alternate Line: She just comes across as actually a fairly straightforward, normal person who just says, I just really like making music. And she seems quite surprised that

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Alternate Line: I mean, she's in the cult classic stage already. I think she, you know, has huge numbers of people coming to concerts. I think she's quite, very well respected in Japan already. And listen. We're 2 Scottish boys of a certain age, and we listen to it as well. So she's obviously punctured through to some extent. So yeah, it's a really.

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Andrew's iPhone: Playing some pretty considerable rooms and venues and stuff like that. So it's even though it's yeah. She's she's singing tracks about inverse families in Japanese. It's cutting through.

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Alternate Line: There's something about that. I think that music as well. And again, this is one of those ones, you know. Sometimes we've listened to like Scottish music, and I've said, Look, there's something Scottish about that, and I have absolutely no idea what it is. It must be something about the intervals between certain notes or certain chord changes, or just something about the atmosphere overall. There's something absolutely Japanese about what we just listened to there. You could not tell me here, this person's from

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Alternate Line: Bulgaria. Do you know, I just be like no, they're not. I just know they're not. You know what I mean.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, I I think it's a love, a really, really lovely thing. And wanted to add to my burgeoning list of things. I'd like to listen to, but might not have time to. So

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Andrew's iPhone: it's a gorgeous record. It's quite extraordinary, actually, just how she's able to evoke that kind of underwater scene of you know you can like see the glistening shoals of fish and.

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Alternate Line: The flowing sea plants and the shimmering seabeds as you can listen to it. It's yeah pretty incredible.

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Andrew's iPhone: How she's able been able to kind of create that for sound. Just yeah, just something that you can totally submerge and immerse yourself in.

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Alternate Line: What's your favorite studio, Ghibli film, and what he.

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Andrew's iPhone: I've not seen loads of them definitely gaps. Yeah, spirit of the way is probably my favorite that I've seen.

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Alternate Line: That is, that is a classic, I think. I've seen a few now. I don't want to like

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Alternate Line: sound like some kind of I've really come across as an ultra nerd already tonight, so I don't want to like go too far too much too far into that. But like, yeah, princess Mononoke is good as well as is Ponyo. Ponyo is like the sort of little mermaid retold. It's super weird, but it's very, very good. But and, as you say, spirited away. But I think Howl's moving. Castle is my favorite

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Alternate Line: just, you know, just the strangest piece of filmmaking like it's just the weirdest thing on one level. It's just like.

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Alternate Line: you know, it's just a kind of fairy tale, and there's nothing about Japanese fairy tales as weird as some of the ideas come across that are any weirder than like our fairy tales. You know.

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Alternate Line: You know Hansel and Gretel is pretty weird, as things go to be honest with you. So if someone made that into an animation and then translated it halfway around the world, I think

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Alternate Line: you know that. Would that would come across pretty strange as well. But something, so

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Alternate Line: I don't know something about the animation is just so attractive like you. Just. It's just beautiful to look at, and often soundtracked in the most beautiful way as well. So I do like a bit of Japanese culture. I'm really happy to be listening to Ichiko Aioba. That's a new one on me. Very good.

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Andrew's iPhone: Love it. Yep, love it.

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Alternate Line: Have we reached that time? I think we have reached that time. We've gloriously whittled on here about some some new tracks, and it's time for us to

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Alternate Line: have a look at the Vinyl words. So the Vinyl word guys is when Andrew pulls down something from his big record collection which I can see, and you can't, because this is audio, and sometimes it's a really strong connection. Sometimes it's not so much. It's just something that's been in his head. But we'll get him to explain it to us in a wee second before we do that. Let me just say thanks, so much for listening to the podcast thanks for all your

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Alternate Line: text and messages over the years and and your support financially. If you want to support us, just listen recommend us to your friends, give thumbs up, likes, reviews, all that good stuff.

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Alternate Line: and if you want to support us financially, you actually can just go to Www. Dot buy meacoffee.com slash. We heard wonders. And we just take all that. And we just funnel it right back into the making of this, your humble new music. Podcast so Andrew.

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Alternate Line: what's the Vinyl word.

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Andrew's iPhone: Okay, yeah, thank you. So yeah. So the final word for this week is an album that I mentioned earlier. And the albums I'm new here, which was the 15th and final studio album by girl Scott Herring.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, as I say, this was the one that that got Richard Russell back

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Andrew's iPhone: behind the the production chair. And so so I think he'd always been a fan of girl Scott Herron. He's kind of like wondering what he was up to.

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Andrew's iPhone: And and they thought, You know, I what you know goes one of these kind of amazing kind of philosophers and poets as well as musicians, and he's kind of thinking, you know. I wonder what what his kind of take on

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Andrew's iPhone: on on today as it was then it would be so that he got in contact with him, and proposed that he put a record out by him.

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Andrew's iPhone: And and just for talking to him, I think he kind of thought. Well.

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Andrew's iPhone: actually, who better to make the record

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Andrew's iPhone: with him the Me. And and that got him making records again. And that's kind of led to the everything is recorded project. But but yeah, I mean this, this records. It's a a beautiful record. Kind of put Girl Scout Head in the kind of more modern context. So there was these kind of electronics that they dubstep post industrial blues

560
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Andrew's iPhone: kind of feel to to the thing trip hop interludes.

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Andrew's iPhone: So there's lots of this kind of spoken word bits in between these kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: tracks that kind of punctuate and hold up the record.

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Andrew's iPhone: So there's some great tracks. There's the Bill Hap, Callahan track. I'm new here.

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Andrew's iPhone: I'll take care of you. Which was a

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Andrew's iPhone: a kind of soul standard that he does a lovely string drench version of.

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Andrew's iPhone: and a track called New York is killing me as well, which is fantastic.

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Andrew's iPhone: and the track that I've chosen to play us out with today is me and the devil, which is this really kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: dark, pretty, brilliant trip. Hop, take on the Robert Johnson, track the me, me and the devil blues.

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Andrew's iPhone: That that I love, and

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Andrew's iPhone: I see more recently has been getting a bit of a kind of leg up because it was used over the closing credits of an episode of the penguin. I don't know if you've watched that.

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Alternate Line: No, I haven't watched that, but do want to watch it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, so apparently this track was used. And you you can just imagine it, can you? And but yeah, I thought this would be a cool way to place it this week.

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Alternate Line: Excellent. Let's do it. Okay, Andrew, all that's left for for us to do is, say, right, guys, we will see you down the road.

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Andrew's iPhone: See you soon, guys.

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Andrew's iPhone: when you knocked

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Andrew's iPhone: see.

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Andrew's iPhone: walk is

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Andrew's iPhone: buck is

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Andrew's iPhone: to see

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Andrew's iPhone: see why.

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Andrew's iPhone: see why

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Andrew's iPhone: beat it all

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Andrew's iPhone: a

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Andrew's iPhone: hear it!

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Andrew's iPhone: Christ.