Newish Music - Bon Iver! Japanese Breakfast! The Horrors! Daniel Paul O'Sullivan! Annie and the Caldwells!

We Heard Wonderers Iain and Andrew return in one piece (just about) following their European exploits. We have our say on high-profile new indie releases from Bon Iver, Japanese Breakfast and The Horrors - do they hit the mark, or leave something to be desired? Exciting projects from contemporary composer Daniel Paul O’Sullivan and gospel-soul family unit Annie & The Caldwells are also up for discussion. Something beguiling and beautiful has The Vinyl Word. Listen to We Heard Wonders on your podcast platform of choice; tell your friends; like, subscribe and recommend; catch up with previous editions and support the show by buying us a Coffee (link in the show’s bio).

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Andrew's iPhone: Usin Yella, Killer, Villa Abihi, Bosa, Gozilla, la Dad, pro

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Andrew's iPhone: hello and welcome to. We heard wonders, the music Podcast, that's a fully signed up member of the Lucy Bio Fan Club.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, I'm not sure it is, Lucy bail, but that'll do us. That'll do, us man. What a week it's been, what a week.

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Andrew's iPhone: Tracking. It's been a big one.

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Alternate Line: It's been a big one. We've been hearing wonders, seeing wonders and pretty much just drinking wonders, really, this week, haven't we? It's been a big one. Yeah, so it was my, as the Americans say, bachelor party, my stag do in Prague. So it was myself, Andrew and 10 friends and family. And

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Alternate Line: yeah, it was quite an experience, wasn't it really quite a thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: It was. It was absolutely brilliant. 4 days. And yeah, we're just.

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Alternate Line: I think we're both struggling for any any highlights we're just like, yes, we were there, and then we were there, and things happened and then ended.

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Andrew's iPhone: Absolutely. Yeah. A brilliant group of guys

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Andrew's iPhone: meticulously planned, we should say, by Martin Martin, who does our pod artwork. He's also just amazing at other stuff, including.

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Alternate Line: Generally good at things. Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, we should say, like, at the start of the stack, you were dressed, as

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Andrew's iPhone: I would say. It was like kind of eighties hair metaler with.

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Alternate Line: But like.

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Andrew's iPhone: It was like, like a kind of member of multi crew. Kind of thing. So yeah.

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Alternate Line: I thought of it.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, I thought of it as motley crew, but I think some of the stags fancied me a little bit when I had the wig on so.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, absolutely gorgeous. But yeah, the idea was that you were the main act. You were the talent, and we were all the crew. So

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Andrew's iPhone: up these access, all area passes, and on the back there was a QR code that you could scan. It had the whole itinerary for the weekend on it. It was incredible.

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Alternate Line: I know, and itinerary makes it sound like, you know, kind of like nerdy or whatever. But we're actually doing loads of like really, really cool stuff. So we like we were like axe throwing, and we went to like a beer museum. And and those are the things I'm willing to share with everyone else.

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Alternate Line: and.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: That was.

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Andrew's iPhone: We should.

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Alternate Line: Back in weekends.

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Andrew's iPhone: We should maybe say something about Lucy Bile. So on the kind of the midday of the Friday we were on the relatively main drag part of Prague, having our 1st pint of the day, and one of our groups bought a shop across the road that was emblazoned with the sign Lucy Bile Fan Club.

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Andrew's iPhone: And of these massive photo

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Andrew's iPhone: portraits of this very confident but I would say, very corporate looking woman, in a way, yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Holding a mug complete with the initials. Lb.

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Andrew's iPhone: and I don't know. It just kind of tickled this, doesn't it?

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Alternate Line: Yeah, because when it said it was, I don't know who it was that spotted it. But someone was like, Oh, this is Lucy bile fan shop. Who's that? I'm sure it's not Lucy Biles, Lucy Bila, or something, and I thought it was for the sale of fans like I literally thought. It's literally like a fashion shop that, you know does fans. And I was like, it's not even really that hot here, like it's it's nice, but it's not. And then, when I got closer, I was like, Oh, fans! As in like supporters of

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Alternate Line: I don't think I've ever experienced that with any artist that.

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Andrew's iPhone: You know, have a shop? No.

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Andrew's iPhone: exactly. Yeah, especially the fact that, like none of us had heard of her. So just like that.

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Andrew's iPhone: No

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Andrew's iPhone: added to it. It's just this person that's maybe not that actually that well known, it's got quite a fan shop in the middle of Prague.

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Alternate Line: Big in church. Yeah. Big in church. Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. So we googled her. It turned out she is very big in the Czech Republic, so she sold over a million records. She's won the Czech musical award 13 times more than any other artist. So she's essentially the Czech Adele, I guess, and.

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Alternate Line: Maybe she is.

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Andrew's iPhone: The surface of.

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Alternate Line: I think that's maybe a little, maybe a little much. I think she's more like the Czech. Who was that lady that was on the show, and where she sang on like boats and stuff.

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Alternate Line: J.

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Andrew's iPhone: We don't.

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Alternate Line: She might be on those Jane Mcdonald's.

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Alternate Line: So so you.

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Andrew's iPhone: It was like.

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Her. Her shop as well. It was. It consisted almost exclusively of items, these very generic products, like chocolates, mugs, t-shirts, that very basic designs and packaging, but they just had the initials lb, on them. That was like they made them

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Andrew's iPhone: connected, though. But yeah, I was just.

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Alternate Line: I know it's just just a strange, like a strange, a strange thing. There you go! Well, you heard about the top of the show which was just about the blandest piece of music. I think that's ever graced us here. Podcast but you know, let's move on with our mission. Okay, and our mission begins with an introduction. Surely after you, sir, who who are you?

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Andrew's iPhone: My name's Andrew. I buy records and write about them on Instagram at Kidagh, 86.

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Alternate Line: You're a world traveler, a man of peace.

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Alternate Line: and an instagrammer of of rare rare quality. So there you go. My name's Ian, sometimes Guitarist in Glasgow band. The deadline shakes and you can get us on all the social media platforms apart from Tiktok at

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Alternate Line: deadline shakes. Okay, so today's task this evening's task, and it's already a late one. It's 1042 pm. In our April holidays as we as we get on with this. But we, our task is a new music week. Now, can you just up update me? I know we we had this place ready a couple of weeks ago, and then life events got in the way, and we didn't end up doing it. So have you a little bit kind of mixed in some newer stuff. Is this stuff from a couple of weeks ago? What what we got here.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so it's 1 of our kind of newish music podcasts. I guess. So, yeah, so there's a few acts that we've been on the slate for a wee while, and then we've brought it right slam, bang up to date with the new Bonnever Record, which was the the big release on Friday. There.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so a bit a bit of a mix of the last month or so. But.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, I've been so busy. Being on my stack. Do that. Actually, not listen to the new Bonnevail records. In total. But we did obviously review the early Preview track space Aids. Good few months ago, and we both enjoyed that. I think I believe we did. I certainly did.

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Alternate Line: Okay, I don't see any reason why we should bob around the bush area. Let's just get straight in about it. So this is a track from the new Bonnever record it's called. Everything is peaceful love.

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Alternate Line: Here we go.

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Alternate Line: Don't endure too fast, mama. Steady on a rock tripping. I tell you that I'm not slipping.

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Alternate Line: Tell me not a thing ripping.

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Alternate Line: standing on top thinking. I tell you that I don't know but you're favored down by 50,

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Alternate Line: God

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Alternate Line: when it thought about all in one, simply indivisible as we go.

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Alternate Line: Have you already spoken.

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Alternate Line: Say, life!

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Alternate Line: Oh, man, I

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Alternate Line: Is it just coming, or

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Alternate Line: Oh.

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Alternate Line: we said.

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Alternate Line: Who's oh, God.

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Alternate Line: Alright, guys. So there is the

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Alternate Line: I would say, effervescent and inventive track. Everything is peaceful love. From sable fable.

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Alternate Line: Bonnever's latest record.

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Alternate Line: I'm gonna come right out the traps and say that when I heard space side I thought that the new Bonnever Record was gonna almost be like a complete throwback to the original self-titled ep. And it was all gonna be like super introspective. And some of the lyrics on

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Alternate Line: space side are very like self-critical. You know about? I thought I had. You know I gave myself the best of me was one of the lines that kind of stood out, you know, selfishness, and we said about space side about like whiskey and possible drinking, and all that sort of stuff.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: And then, you know, you hear a track like this, and you think, no, this is a much more complex project, because it covers a spectrum of emotions, and and like this is such a positive.

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Alternate Line: And there are moments in in his back catalogue that do sound like this, but I think this is the this is the most like openly kind of poppy, ballady falsetto lead track that I can. I can really think of. And

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Alternate Line: I think it's wonderful. I think it's really really good.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I I completely agree with everything you're saying, there,

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Andrew's iPhone: yeah. Cause, as as you say, when when we did the space I track. That was like back in September, and we knew there was an Ep coming.

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Andrew's iPhone: and we were kind of speculating, you know. Is is this going to be

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Andrew's iPhone: leading to something else? Or is it just going to be a kind of standalone thing? Is it? Is that kind of return to that kind of relatively straightforward, intimate would say, folk thing, kind of evidence of him, kind of retreating to something a little bit more comforting and familiar? Or is it a kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: A. A kind of like kind of clean the decks kind of thing, or getting something about the system before moving on to something else, and as it's turned out, it's a kind of a bit of both.

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Andrew's iPhone: because.

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Andrew's iPhone: The sable ep that came out. He's decided to actually attach that to this new album, so that that kind of forms the the 1st 3 tracks of it, and then he's attached that to 9 brand new tracks that make up the fable side of it. So it's really really interesting way of doing, and it's kind of him looking at.

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Andrew's iPhone: and you know where he's been, where he is now, and where he might be going in the future.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I think it's really interesting idea. And and yeah, they've got 2 very kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: distinctive sounds to them. So, as you say, there's that

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Andrew's iPhone: there's that kind of kind of throwback sound of the the 1st 3 tracks and then and and the in the fables part. He's he's kind of really

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Andrew's iPhone: exploring something that, as you say, he's kind of done a little bit before, and and batches, and especially for some of his co-OP collaborations as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: But for an actual Bonnever project it feels very different and very fresh, I think.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, it's just it's just really lovely, gorgeous.

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Andrew's iPhone: your candy listening experience, I think. It's just.

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Andrew's iPhone: Warming, luminous, beautiful.

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Alternate Line: Sorry to interrupt, but just when you said ear candy there, it's just one of those records where there's not a sound on there that doesn't sound good like it doesn't sound warm, is is perfect to describe the production. So obviously, lots of keys and synths that are very like

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Alternate Line: but I don't think that matters all that much like you know. Maybe that is the case, but I don't really care like it. It just

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Alternate Line: it sounds good. And if you just if you take it from like a kind of a cold headed production point of view, and I think that the the method that they've used on his vocals like whatever they do in the studio with those vocals. Obviously, they're layered. But like whatever they're doing on the on the desks and in the software and stuff just makes them sound like

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Alternate Line: like nothing else. So there's there's not a there's not a person that sings like him

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Alternate Line: anywhere, you know. There's lots of he's 1 of those guys that's like often imitated. Now, you know, you hear lots of people who try and sound a bit like him. But there's there's no one really who has that kind of. It's just the easiness of just that hooting falsetto that you just can just jump up into. But he also has a bit. He can have quite a deep, bassy voice as well at times. Not. That's particularly evident on this track. So yeah, from a production and a performance point of view, it's just it's just really, really, really good, really cleverly done. I think.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, in terms of the kind of taste thing he's always kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: and talked about a lot of his influences. And they're not really kind of cool influences. A lot of time he talks about like Bonnie Raitt being his favorite singer, and things like that. And I remember, there was like there was sounds on the self-titled record that were like very kind of.

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Andrew's iPhone: I can almost that kind of yacht Rock, or like Bruce Bruce Hornsby

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Andrew's iPhone: kind of like Phil Collins kind of sounds, and but but by him doing that and taking them and doing something new with them, they made it. The kind of the fresh new thing. And, as you say, it's been kind of very imitated since. And I think on this record it's him kind of almost. There's a sense of him being inspired by acts who are influenced by him. I think a little bit for the people that he's collaborating with on this record. So it's definitely his most collaborative. I mean, Bonneville's become more of a band project over time. But he's actually getting in

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Andrew's iPhone: these big stars this time around, and he's got the kind of the guest features on there. So there's Daniel Heim. There's Dijon flock of dimes, Mcgee. There's a terrifly catchy track on the album called, from which opens with this guitar, Riff. As soon as you hear it. You're just like that's Mcgee.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's a brilliant track. And yeah, bonivious. Talked about feeling humbled, watching Dijon and Mcgee open for him on tour.

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Andrew's iPhone: and him having the feeling they had to raise his game like seeing what they were doing. And he said that Heim's record women in Music Part 3 is his favorite record of the last 5 years or so. So yeah, so there's definitely kind of modernize the or rock sheen thing that Heim do. But there's also him doing his take on James Blake's bonnever inspired glitchy gospel soul. And there's bits of kind of frank ocean in there as well. So yeah. So I think he's

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Andrew's iPhone: he's obviously been inspired by working with some of these bigger pop acts as well like Taylor Swift and Charlie Xcx. Who he's collaborated with and he's just kind of bringing all that to Bonneville this time around. And and yeah, I mean the the production on the table side.

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Andrew's iPhone: Is him. And a guy called Jimmy Stack, who's done a lot of stuff with

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Andrew's iPhone: a lot of those artists that I've mentioned already. And yeah, it's just just really inventive, really engaging, pleasing on the years.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I picked this particular track because I think it's kind of representative of that soulful. Occasionally funky eighties nineties R and B kind of thing that's there, and I think he is kind of going. He's kind of leaning into the cheesiness there, that kind of sense of loved up possibilities, I think, and there's that kind of damn if I'm not climbing up a tree right now.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Of joyful, and, you know, surrendering, and like the sort of everything is peaceful love thing. Just like completeness and tranquillity. And

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Alternate Line: yeah, there's also there's also a line, and then I'm looking. I know that we may go and change someday. So it's not a

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Alternate Line: It's alright, you know. Think things will. Things will be all right. I think it's what you what you get from

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes.

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Alternate Line: It's what's in the title, so I guess that's the one I should be looking for.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's interesting that when he wrote this he wrote this in 2019. Apparently he was very much in the middle of the

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Andrew's iPhone: the fable side of things. I saw the sable side of things where it was kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: headspace kind of thing, and it was almost him wanting to feel

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Andrew's iPhone: like that kind of, you know, upper tree kind of feeling and kind of like

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Andrew's iPhone: had that as an idea. And then over time actually became more of the kind of reality of of the album.

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Andrew's iPhone: That he went on to make, which is interesting. So yeah, apparently he was really struggling with anxiety. At 1 point he was just not leaving the house at all, and he was exhausted by touring

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Andrew's iPhone: and a disillusion with fame as well. Apparently he's really addicted to smoking as well. So he was able to to

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Andrew's iPhone: finally quit that. And then for doing that, he was able to kind of work in other aspects of his life.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, he also found love during the record as well, although so there's a lot of kind of references to that in in the album. But as you kind of see there, it's not necessarily going to be this kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: and never ending love. So it kind of leaves it on this kind of note of

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Andrew's iPhone: almost given that that lover space to kind of like, see if it's gonna work out for them. So there's a kind of a

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Andrew's iPhone: thing about the future, which is kind of interesting.

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Andrew's iPhone: kind of wanted by Michelle's owner. So she's yeah. She's had 3 albums before, as Japanese breakfast, and she also produced

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Andrew's iPhone: The track at the end is like, I'm drowning, you know. So it's like, kind of yeah, you're kind of swimming in this this world. And, as you say, it's definitely kind of harking back to

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Andrew's iPhone: a different period. I saw one journalist talk about this as evidence of an emerging trend called Barry Linden Core.

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Andrew's iPhone: So it's that kind of like elaborate centuries old, costuming that kind of idea that everything's kind of lit by candle light kind of thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I I have. Yeah, I have in the past, and and continue to.

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Andrew's iPhone: No, I was just. I was. I was kind of like letting that hang just for a second. But no, I'm.

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Andrew's iPhone: I I was actually given the opportunity to go to the enemy tour 2,007 show at the Calling Academy

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Andrew's iPhone: and I remember thinking that the horror set at the time was one of the worst things that I'd ever seen in my life.

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Andrew's iPhone: and I'm sure they kind of wanted to elicit that kind of strong response from people. But and the fact that I could still kind of remember them in a way that I can't remember. The other ones tells you something, but the time I just didn't enjoy it at all.

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Andrew's iPhone: In a really positive way? It's just this kind of smudgy, swirling pulse of a track. It was just really really cool.

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Andrew's iPhone: And the album that came out off the back of that primary colors is just an incredible record, I think, produced by Jeff Barrow.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, since then I've just kind of followed the horrors as they've kind of shifted sound and focus with each release.

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Andrew's iPhone: eighties, acts like simple minds, and the chameleons and things like that I don't have given them. They were groups that necessarily the horrors listened to, but it had that kind of feel to it, and there was the album luminous that had a kind of technical or syntheticness to it. That was a very kind of symphy record. And then the last album 5 had more of a kind of depeche mode sleaziness to it. And so yeah, so so they've actually been away a while. It's actually been 8 years since the last horrors record.

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Andrew's iPhone: and it's yeah. The new project by Daniel Paulo Sullivan. Daniel Paulo Sullivan is an English composer and multi-instrumentalist.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so so their their thing with this record, they they sent an email promoting this, this is gonna be coming out on their label. So it's it's kind of rare for them to be putting out a new piece of music rather than a reissue, and they called it one of the greatest things that they've ever heard.

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Andrew's iPhone: Well, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So they called it a simply stunning song cycle of hypnotic, experimental, contemporary chamber music composed for a 14 piece ensemble. Yeah. And so yeah, so so that's kind of what's happening here. And you've got O'sullivan, who's who's put together these compositions. And he's gonna work them up this really kind of interesting ensemble. He he sent a copy of this to be with records pitched as liquid swords meets Michael Nyman.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's the kind of that's the jazzer. That's the liquid swords element of this track and of the album as well, that some of the kind of interesting. Yeah. The rhythmic choices

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Andrew's iPhone: That's fair. I I can. I can see the kind of emotional aspect there are a few moments on the record that are a little bit more kind of low key, and really kind of lean into the string aspect of things. And and they are really quite moving lovely pieces. And so so O'sullivan's a lot of stuff for the Kpm Music library. And so they're kind of a legendary, almost like kind of like a radio fornic workshop type idea that they kind of did a lot of kind of

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Andrew's iPhone: I've just written down a few be with records here that I could maybe just quickly reel off to recommend to people so Willie Hutch. Who's a

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Andrew's iPhone: a kind of late sixties soul singer, very underrated. He has this album called Soul Portrait, which is one of my absolute favorite soul records. And it's like about 28 min long. But it's just that amazing example of of soul. So so I really recommend people checking that out. There's 1 called Jay Richford and Gary Stephen, a record called Feelings, which is a really kind of funky.

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Andrew's iPhone: I see it said on the last podcast. That we did together when we're talking about candice stating that I'm really kind of drawn to records made by these kind of soul and gospel acts that are in the more mature years of their careers, shall we say? And that's definitely true, I think, without being kind of condescending about these things. They've got experiences and hardships to draw from. There's these kind of deep wells of empathy in their voices and songs to choose to sing, and

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Andrew's iPhone: formed in the 19 eighties as a way for Matriarch Annie, who's a dress shop owner by day to keep her 4 children out of trouble.

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Andrew's iPhone: I thank you. So yeah, it's a horrors, related vinyl word this week. From that late 2 thousands early, 2,010 S. Period where it felt for me, at least, like they could do no wrong. So they've always had great taste in music and records. I would say. As I was saying, they kind of bring

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Andrew's iPhone: and he found the unlikely but perfect foil in Italian, Canadian soprano and multi-instrumentalist, Rachel Zafira.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so yeah. So it's it's them that are cat's eyes. They've released 2 studio albums to date as well as a lovely soundtrack to what I call the erotic lesbian butterfly movie.

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Andrew's iPhone: And so there's this kind of aspects of your sixties. Pop change for pop as well as as if you're as opera background. And yeah, just it's it's a real kind of beguiling little gem of a record this

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Andrew's iPhone: 10 tracks, 28 min, and I've chosen the track. The best person I know to play this out this week.

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