Carnal and Catchy: Wolf Alice, Dijon, Water From Your Eyes, Tyler Ballgame & Nourished By Time

It’s a bumper week for new releases on @weheardwonders with four Album Of The Year contenders (Wolf Alice, Dijon, Water From Your Eyes, Nourished By Time) and a much-touted newcomer (Tyler Ballgame) lined up on the starting grid. But what did Iain and Andrew make of the runners ‘n’ riders? Which ones elicit excitable swearing and declarations of their genius, and which ones fall just short? Something carnal and catchy has The Vinyl Word. Listen to We Heard Wonders on your podcast platform of choice; tell your friends; like, subscribe and recommend; catch up with previous editions and support the show by buying us a Coffee (link in the show’s bio)

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Andrew's iPhone: Who's that I see walking in these woods?

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Andrew's iPhone: Why it's Little Red Riding Hood.

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Andrew's iPhone: Hey there, little red riding hood.

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Andrew's iPhone: You sure are looking good. You're everything a big bad wolf could want.

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Andrew's iPhone: Hello! And welcome to We Heard Wonders, the music podcast that's hungry like the wolf.

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Alternate Line: Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's us, that's us, that's us. Riding on a wave of popularity, sort of, is us back with another Weard Wonders podcast. Introduce yourself, sir.

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Andrew's iPhone: My name is Andrew, I buy records and write about them on Instagram at KidAGH86.

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Alternate Line: So….

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Andrew's iPhone: Who are you?

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Alternate Line: Fantastic. My name is Ian, I'm a guitarist in Glasgow band, The Deadline Shakes, and you can find us on the social medias at

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Alternate Line: deadline shakes, and this is We Heard Wonders music podcast blasting out of Scotland, and for our new listeners, which we think there are some of you out there, hello, our, job, really, our hobby is to

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Alternate Line: Listen to some new songs every week, and give them the review. Andrew picks them, and you've picked some good ones this week, Andrew, I think?

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Andrew's iPhone: Thank you. Yeah, I like to think so, yeah. It was quite a bumper week last Friday of, like, big new releases, so I've picked some of those, big albums, as well as, a new artist as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: And another, like, big, big album that came out a couple of weeks ago. So yeah, so plenty to talk about this week.

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Alternate Line: Excellent, and we often start the podcast off… we used to consistently start the podcast off with a piece of music that I made, or I performed on, Heavy Baby by Deadline Shakes, and then, I don't know, about a year ago, year and a half ago, maybe a slightly longer, I don't know, we just started having just something random on the start. So, guys, what I'd like you to do is get onto our Instagram.

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Alternate Line: gone to We Heard Wonders, and first person who DMs us the name of the artist and the name of the track we just listened to, and they cheating. Obviously, you can look it up, I'm sure you can work it out, you can Shazam it, but whoever actually knows that, send us a message and we'll give you a shout-out next week, because you must have some serious music bonds on you.

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Alternate Line: Alright.

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Andrew's iPhone: Absolutely, yep. If you cheat, it's a sham.

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Alternate Line: Yes, I think so, I think so. And we'll set the wolf on you, obviously. Or perhaps even the woodcutter, who's to say? Right, so what are we listening to this week, Andrew?

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Andrew's iPhone: We have new music from Wolf Alice, Dijon.

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Andrew's iPhone: Water from your eyes, tile a ball game, and nourished by time.

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Alternate Line: Would it be fair to say that all of our wolf-based stuff is based just on the fact that the first artist's name has the word wolf in it?

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Andrew's iPhone: That's enough, isn't it?

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Alternate Line: That's enough, that's loads, isn't it? I think that's plenty, in fact, when I think about it. Yeah, so Wolf Alice, they have been a pretty hot topic, in the world of music in the last, little while. It's been about for a few years, though, not a new act, necessarily, Wolf Alice, are they?

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Andrew's iPhone: No, no, formed in 2010.

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Alternate Line: And….

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Andrew's iPhone: This is their fourth record that's just come out.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, there's been… there's a Mercury Prize for the second album, they've had some Brit awards, like, they actually won Best British Band.

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Andrew's iPhone: At the Brit Awards a few years ago, which is… which is something, I guess. And, yeah, this, this is, …

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Andrew's iPhone: As you say, that they are quite a big act now, and this is… An album that is…

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Andrew's iPhone: It's been anticipated and is getting some, some big notices already.

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Alternate Line: I'm gonna say something about this track. I'm gonna say a sort of slightly review-y thing before we listen to it. I had this in my head, that I wanted to say this before we actually play this track, and obviously we're listened to by a discerning bunch, so I'm sure

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Alternate Line: Plenty of folk who listen to this podcast have maybe already heard this track, or the record, or whatever. But if you haven't heard this track already, my theory is that this sounds like a record… sorry, sounds like a track off a fourth record.

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Alternate Line: Because it has a kind of, like, confidence about it. Everything is, like, the ideas that are there on this song.

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Alternate Line: are developed, not rushed, and everything has a kind of, like, steady, steady pace. And I think you'll… I think you'll find something that's pretty well constructed here, and, you know, something that… I often find, like, really good debut albums,

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Alternate Line: are often, like, bursting with ideas, and that's often what we like about them, we like the enthusiasm of them, or whatever. We're like, oh, that was a great 10 seconds there, and a great 20 seconds there. This, this isn't like that, and I hope when you listen to this track, you kind of get the same vibe as me. Did you feel that way, Andrew, or am I… am I hovering here?

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Andrew's iPhone: No, I like what you're saying. Yeah, I think I'll save some of my review-y stuff for after the track, but no, I definitely agree with you.

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Alternate Line: Someone definitely should.

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Alternate Line: Alright, so, right, without further ado, let's, let's get straight into this. So this is White Horses, by Wolf Alice from the new record, The Cleaning. Here we go.

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Alternate Line: Can love have magnetic properties?

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Alternate Line: Roll a scholar from the island It's a sofa.

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Alternate Line: identity.

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Alternate Line: I just need an answer to the question in the taxi. My sister paints, I can feed

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Alternate Line: of such energy.

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Alternate Line: who I am, what is this family and my…

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Alternate Line: Magnetic movement.

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Alternate Line: Oh, the skull of things.

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Alternate Line: So… Need an uncertain.

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Alternate Line: My sister pays me.

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Alternate Line: Let's go loose.

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Alternate Line: I choose you.

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Alternate Line: I'll choose you.

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Alternate Line: Alright, Wild Horses, by Wolf Alice. Andrew, what's your sister's name again? Do you remember the one who sometimes listen to podcasts?

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Andrew's iPhone: thrift.

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Alternate Line: Children.

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Andrew's iPhone: Ruth.

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Alternate Line: Roof, if you're listening to the podcast, cover the ears of the young people right now. I'm going to do a swear, okay? I don't often swear on here. I'm gonna do a swear. Here it comes, Andrew, you ready?

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Alternate Line: It's fucking brilliant. It's fucking brilliant.

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Alternate Line: Fucking brilliant. It really is, it really is. It's been ages since I called anything genius, and I just feel like that is. Because it's just…

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Alternate Line: Really, really, really good. Really good. Yeah. I tried to do my little pre… I think my little pre-review probably triggered folk to think that I really liked it, which I do. I didn't say I really liked it, but just enthusiastic to talk about it, so I probably gave it away. But it's so good. I can't wait to pull this apart with you.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, it's so good, yeah. I mean, this track isn't necessarily that representative of the album, actually, it's kind of like…

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Andrew's iPhone: one of the slightly, kind of, busier productions, although as you say, it's all kind of got its… it's got its place, and it's one of the more, kind of, strident, energetic tracks on the record, but yeah, I just really, really like this track.

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Alternate Line: Yes.

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Andrew's iPhone: So, yeah, I really wanted to bring this in. So, I'll talk about the album a bit more later, but yeah, the track itself is just absolutely fantastic.

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Alternate Line: It's great, I mean, there's other tracks, Bloom Baby Bloom, listened to that this week, and The Sofa.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: I think of the other two tracks off the record, the release, I've listened to all those three songs, and they're all great, but I didn't find a massive amount of, like, wanting to…

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Alternate Line: listen to those other tracks repeatedly, whereas I do find that one quite addictive, and I guess we'll try and dig into why that might, …

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Alternate Line: why that might be the case, but there's lots of things to like about it. A lot, a lot, a lot to like about it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. One of the reasons why it's not that representative is that it's got the drummer, Joel, he's the one that's kind of doing the main vocal duties on this one.

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Alternate Line: It's one of the things I really like about it as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, and then you've got the kind of usual lead vocalist, Ellie, kind of coming in and doing her.

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Andrew's iPhone: almost kind of Banshee-esque kind of chanting in the chorus. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Alternate Line: There's two things, really, there's two very distinct female vocal styles being performed there, and also the male vocal. And I'm always taken with, you know, the blending of different types of voice. I'm loathe to say male and female, because it's not just that, it's the texture and

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Alternate Line: the position the voice sits on the register, that's a really important thing. But, … but these two, it just blends really, really, really well. I think lyrically as well, …

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Alternate Line: this song is just, like… it's got a kind of, like, uplifting, inspirational, positive, natural vibe as well, natural world, about the wind and the branches embracing you and all that sort of stuff. So I just find it a very, like…

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Alternate Line: comforting song to listen to, as well. It's quite… the whole thing is… is… it's the… it's the almost dictionary definition of something that's upbeat to me. Yeah. You know, it's lyrically upbeat, musically upbeat, ….

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Andrew's iPhone: Just searches.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, it surges, it's great, it's great for that. And also, to go back to the thing I said before we listened to it, it surges without being in a hurry.

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Alternate Line: You know, there's no sense of rush. It's a kind of very, deliberate, fast pace. I love the acoustic guitars on here.

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Alternate Line: I love the production as well. I would say, if anything, you've mentioned busyness. I would say the production is busy at times, and I think some studio engineer somewhere was probably fretting over

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Alternate Line: how the hell am I gonna balance, this out? But I think they got it. It's quite a lot of, like, quite a lot of subtle elements textured on top of each other. I think it's really, really good, it's come out really well. I saw on Reddit.

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Alternate Line: Someone asked, what in the 2020 King Gizzard is this? And it is a little bit like, some elements of King Gizzard and Lizard.

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Alternate Line: era. I can't remember which record it is, because they probably brought out about 12 that year, or something like that.

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Alternate Line: So yeah, that, and …

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Alternate Line: you know, just… there's a few other touch points, like, she sounds like, the B-52s. Greg's a big fan of the B52, she has a little bit of that about her as well. Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: I can see that.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, Ray, I've talked too much.

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Andrew's iPhone: No, no.

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Alternate Line: So, enthusiasm bubbling, bubbling….

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Andrew's iPhone: It's good to… did you… did you read about what the song's about?

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Alternate Line: I didn't actually… no, I didn't do that.

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Andrew's iPhone: Because that's quite interesting as well, it's about… again, it was Joel that wrote the song, and it's about, …

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Andrew's iPhone: he discovered that his grandmother was originally from St Helena.

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Andrew's iPhone: which is, like, a British overseas territory in the South Atlantic Ocean.

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Alternate Line: Hmm.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, yeah, he discovered that his grandmother was from there, and she made a really kind of tough journey across to England, and then her mum and… his mum and aunt were adopted.

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Andrew's iPhone: And he just never…

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Andrew's iPhone: found out about that kind of… that bit of his heritage until very recently. So… so when… in the lyrics, he talks about the island that they kept from me. So yeah, so it's… and it kind of, kind of goes back to that kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: Old England kind of feel in the lyrics as well.

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Alternate Line: And lyrically as well, I believe on the Pitchfork review of the album, it talks about, how…

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Alternate Line: I've got it right here, about choosing your family and, you know, life on the road and touring and being with your colleagues more than you are with your friends, so I guess there's also an element of that woven.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, there's a lyric, my sister paints apathy like blasphemy, so apparently that was something that they kind of disagreed about, was how important that was.

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Alternate Line: You know, that's kind of part of their heritage and that kind of thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, so I just think that's a kind of interesting thing. So, again, it kind of sits a bit separate from the rest of the record, because it is this very kind of personal…

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Andrew's iPhone: Track, but it just kind of sits alone almost, this track, but it's just….

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Brilliant. And it's, again, it's just kind of adding more depth and layers to it, I guess.

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Alternate Line: It's a wonderful piece of music, and I think…

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Alternate Line: you know, not to be repetitive, but I think hearing stuff like that… I love hearing things like that, you know, the inspiration, it does actually…

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Alternate Line: almost make you appreciate the track even more. I mean, I was satisfied just reading and interpreting the lyrics, kind of, at face, but think… thinking then about, you know, that concept of… of…

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Alternate Line: running back down the family line, like, who… who am I as a result of…

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Alternate Line: who are they? It's something that's very relatable, people think about all the time, you know? So, so yeah, well, an excellent piece of music, I'm really glad we listened to that. Top, top thing to kick us off.

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Alternate Line: Good. This week.

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Andrew's iPhone: They're a kind of funny group for me, both Alice, because they do… they do kind of leap around a little bit from album to album, track to track, that's kind of a bit tricky to get a real handle on who they are. And I guess, like, four albums in, the answer to that is they are just that kind of… they are those kind of magpies that kind of just pick bits from everywhere.

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: M…

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Andrew's iPhone: So, this new album is very much them trying to do something a bit more classic, I think. Again, I think this track's a bit kind of separate, but a lot of the album is very kind of piano-led, and they've clearly got a kind of eye on

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Andrew's iPhone: Kind of late 60s and early 70s albums, that kind of golden age of the rock and pop album.

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Alternate Line: Yep.

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Andrew's iPhone: And they've tried to kind of strip their sound back quite a bit, so as I say, this is one of the busier tracks, but there's a lot that are just kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: bass, guitar.

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Andrew's iPhone: piano and the voice. The voice is a lot more, kind of, up front than it has been before.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, because it used to be….

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Alternate Line: I'm excited about that. An interview, actually, she said, she wanted to do rock songs on this record, and focus on the performance element of a rock song, and sing like Axl Rose.

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Alternate Line: But to be singing a song about being a woman?

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Andrew's iPhone: Right.

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Alternate Line: Now, I guess that's not really what we hear on…

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Alternate Line: Wild horses, that's definitely not what we hear they are.

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Andrew's iPhone: No.

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Alternate Line: Obviously, that must be other elements of the record, I presume.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I mean, there's that… the other single Bloom Baby Bloom, that's kind of… that's very kind of theatrical, and….

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Alternate Line: It does.

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Andrew's iPhone: Baroque, and she's kind of going for it.

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Alternate Line: I assume she means Axl Rose, like, 1989, not Axl Rose 2025. So very different things.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, and they're working with mega-producer Greg Kirsten, who's done stuff, probably most notably with Adele, but…

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Andrew's iPhone: loads of people, Harry Styles and Beyonce, Lily Allen. So it is kind of about kind of stripping things back to their fundamentals and kind of relying on, like, melody and trying to be confident in that way in the songs.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, it kind of finds them an interesting position. They are on the rise, they're playing these bigger venues.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I think this album will probably lead them to a wider fanbase, but I think there's also a sense that it's going to alienate some of the fans of the earlier stuff, the more kind of gauzy, fuzzy, kind of shoegazy stuff they used to do.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so it's gonna be interesting to see how it goes. For me, like, I was really hoping that this would be just a…

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Andrew's iPhone: like a kind of blockbuster album, and just kind of, like, heeding those singles. I thought, yeah, I thought it had the kind of potential to be, you know, one of those where, like, the biggest acts are the best acts at the same time, kind of thing, but…

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Andrew's iPhone: It starts off really strongly with Bloom Baby Bloom, and then the last two tracks are this track, White Horses, and then The Sofa, which was the other single. So it starts really strong, ends really strong. I think there's a big chunk in the middle that doesn't quite.

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Alternate Line: Get to that scene.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Classic, when we run a band, our advice.

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Andrew's iPhone: I know.

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Alternate Line: You know, play your best song first, and then your other best song, play it last.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: That's always the advice.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's a bit like that, so yeah, so it's far from a slam dunk for me, but I think it…

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Andrew's iPhone: I could still see it doing well, this album, and there are some really good tracks on it. But yeah, it's just not quite what I would have liked it to be, but… But yeah, and it does… and they do have, like, impeccable taste in terms of the reference points, and they always get compared to Fleetwood Mac, I think that's the kind of lazy…

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Andrew's iPhone: Descriptor, but….

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I think it's more the kind of stuff that would… that was… they're kind of closer to a lot of the acts that were around the same time as, like, self-titled Fleetwood Mac and Rumours, that… that kind of stuff that you would… the kind of nice, big, shiny stuff that you would hear on FM radio.

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Andrew's iPhone: So they've, referenced themselves, T-Rex, Steely Dan.

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Andrew's iPhone: Linda… Linda Power Hacks. I jotted down the Carpenters, Sparks, Buffalo, Springfield. I also said the B52s as well. So yeah, so there's a lot of cool stuff in there. As I say, it's just not the slam dunk that…

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Andrew's iPhone: Maybe promised to be.

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Alternate Line: Well, in your view of the album as a whole, but this song… this song here, for me.

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Alternate Line: And my guitar stuff has been infested with shoegaze recently. I don't know what it is, but, like, all the sort of big guitar TikTokers and YouTubers seem to be talking about, shoegaze and shoegaze sounds and that kind of stuff. And quite frankly, it's just not for me, really.

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Alternate Line: So that's my… that's my temporary guitar talk shoegaze.

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Andrew's iPhone: I think this is the kind of the top tier stuff for me, like, you know, My Bloody Valentine are kind of in a tier of their own, and then you've got some of the stuff that's underneath, like, some slow dive stuff, some ride stuff, some, like, cocktail twins, Cocktor Twins, like, some kind of, like, beach house and things like that.

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Andrew's iPhone: And then there's just so much sludge underneath, and just, like… Yeah, just nondescript.

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Andrew's iPhone: crap. But there's something about that aesthetic and sound that is just very in at the moment, very now.

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Andrew's iPhone: kind of… is the kind of… it's all vibes-based, a lot of the listening that, say, young people do, as far as…

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Andrew's iPhone: And it's just, like, there's something about that kind of sound that seems to chime with people, and it's something that they could put in the background of their TikToks, and talk over, and have it as this kind of, yeah, this bed.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, that's… yeah, that is how you can get a hit single these days. I think there's, like, there's a Beach House song, it's called The Space Song, and it's got over 1.5 billion plays, or something like that, but again, it's just one of those ones that's just used…

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Andrew's iPhone: And it just seems to chime with people. But yeah, as a result, there's just so much crap shoegaz around at the moment.

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Alternate Line: That's my guy. Okay, right, so let's move on. We've, we've overshot it on Will Fallis there, I feel like. We've gone… we've gone deep on Will Fallis. Let's get, let's get onto something a little, different this time. So, this artist is Dijon.

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Alternate Line: What kind of she? Why, she you blue on?

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Alternate Line: It's easy like a frown down her. You still in my view, my love, cause you bring it all higher.

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Alternate Line: What else is he?

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Alternate Line: It's a miracle, you know my love, but it's Ivy. Well, I, when he gets up, I'll tap right in.

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Alternate Line: Oh, baby, I know my life if it could kill me. It's the fastest throw in my ass, but when you really love, it's easy.

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Alternate Line: Yes.

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Alternate Line: I wanna say it that I owe my luck. You'll be proud of the That's easy!

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Alternate Line: And the track is Higher from the record Baby. … I was…

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Alternate Line: So, yeah, in fact, genre is a difficult word to really apply to this piece of music by Dijon, because it's sort of hip-hop.

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Alternate Line: It's kind of soul, it's sort of funk. It's covered in…

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Andrew's iPhone: Fucking brilliant!

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Alternate Line: You know what I said, Oh, gosh.

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Andrew's iPhone: Sorry, Ruth.

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Andrew's iPhone: Definitely.

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Andrew's iPhone: Mustard!

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, Dijon is an American singer-songwriter, producer, and actor from Baltimore, Maryland.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, as you say, kind of working in that post-genre alternative R&B lane that…

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Andrew's iPhone: That increasingly seems to be getting…

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Andrew's iPhone: having a moment, I guess, and there is a kind of group of musicians, and you mentioned Bon Iver.

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Andrew's iPhone: Justin Vernon's actually doing backing vocals on that track. I don't know if he… I did not know this. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, there's that kind of series, kind of collection of musicians that are kind of working in this lane, as I say, so Bonavaire…

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Andrew's iPhone: McGee, who's a long-term collaborator with Dijon, and he's all over this record as well.

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Alternate Line: Oh, absolutely. I mean, this… the McGee guitar is everywhere on the.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: The McGee, does McGee produce this track as well, or is he just the guitarist?

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Andrew's iPhone: Don't… don't know if he's necessarily the producer, but yeah, he's all over it, playing different things. He plays drums on different track bass, and guitar, all over the… all of the records.

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Alternate Line: The reason I ask is, well, I think I've read a Reddit comment that said he did, but I don't know. But even if he isn't, there's so much of the sound of this track sounds…

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Alternate Line: scape sounds, waves, I don't even know what I'm gonna try and say here. But there's so many bits of instrumentation on here which I don't think are guitar.

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Alternate Line: But have that McGee kind of weird tone.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: dissected in great detail on some other podcasts many moons ago with Greg.

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Alternate Line: And, yeah, I think in the time since we reviewed McGee, which was approximately… when was that, a year ago, maybe?

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Andrew's iPhone: But, you know.

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Alternate Line: About a year ago. I've come to really appreciate that. It took… it took a while, it took a while, but I… I do, I do kind of… I do get it, and it is also, as you were saying moments ago, about vibe.

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Alternate Line: Which is just a really interesting track, because the vibe is there, but there's also a…

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Alternate Line: with the timing of this track, because it's almost as if, like, someone's, like, deleted, like, a couple of, like, beats out of a bar or something, and, like, squished bars together. So it's almost like you lose a little bit, and then it… so it's got a kind of, like, disjointed…

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, yeah.

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Alternate Line: Someone, someone had called me, I have no idea what I read, I read a review somewhere. Someone described a Dijon as a collagist?

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Alternate Line: And it does feel a little bit like that, it's all these disparate elements just kind of…

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Alternate Line: placed together on this track, and my last… my last reference is probably the most obvious one. There are moments here that make me think of, like, …

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Alternate Line: Blonde by Frank Ocean. It's the only… it's the only kind of touchstone I could think of that was, like, reasonably similar, with, you know, the, like, sort of…

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: sounds that appear out of nowhere, and they're just there for a moment and gone, flitting. So yeah, it's really good. Really, really good.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely love this track, and love the album as well. So, so yes, I've mentioned Bonneville, so BJ Burton, who… you mentioned 22 a Million as well, the guy that produced that album, he engineers quite a few of the tracks on the record as well. So, whereas Bonnevere? With their most recent record, Sable Fable, they kind of went in a more kind of smoother…

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Andrew's iPhone: soul-inspired direction. Here, I think Dijon's going even more kind of glitchy, and as you say, kind of, that kind of collage-based approach. And he's very kind of daring in terms of his song structures, the production and mixing choices.

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Andrew's iPhone: So it's kind of amorphous, but it's never anonymous, it's never, like, it's never bland, there's just so much, so much kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: ecstatically unhinged singing at times as well. It's just really exciting, really unpredictable.

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Andrew's iPhone: As well as having that kind of natural soulfulness that he's always had through his voice and his vocal inflections and that kind of thing. And he gets away with sentimentality as well, like, the opening title track on the record is addressed to his new child, and it opens and closes with a baby crying.

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Andrew's iPhone: And normally that kind of… when artists go near that stuff, normally it's really kind of cloying, or schmaltzy, or….

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Andrew's iPhone: But Dijon just nails it. He's just absolutely spot on, and as I say, this sound seems to be the kind of omnipresent sound in popping R&B at the moment, and there's a danger that it could kind of lose its impact or be watered down, but…

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Andrew's iPhone: I think this is just… this has taken up a level, with this album. There's just so many amazing, kind of, sonic details on it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Great songs as well. I mean, that is… that's a track that we listen to. It is a pop song, even though it's just….

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean, just that kind of idea of…

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Andrew's iPhone: But it has… it's that kind of form and function thing. It does… it takes the track higher, but it leaves you on a kind of higher plane as well, I think. I kind of, yeah, just feel ecstatic after listening to it. Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah?

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Alternate Line: But it's just… I don't know, it's got… it's got a kind of, like…

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Alternate Line: it's like an amorphous kind of thing, where it's really, really hard. In a way, it's quite simple to just point at the elements and go, there's that, and that, and that, and that. But at the same time, and the chopping up of the bars, it just makes it something kind of fairly unique, I would say.

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Alternate Line: And as much as we're able to go, well, it's also like that, and it's 22 a million, it's Bon Iver's on it, and McGee, and all that, but it does produce something which is, again, quite one-of-one. …

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Alternate Line: So, exciting. I wonder if this will be the kind of record, as a whole, and this is definitely on my to-do list this week now, the Dijon record. I wonder if this will be the kind of record that people sort of are still talking about in 5 years?

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Alternate Line: You know? In the same way that… That's cool. Yeah, like, one of the big… one of the big records of the last… you know, I don't know, I don't know what else would we… would we say would be like that. Like, like Blonde, like, something like that, where you just go, that's a kind of moment in time, you know, a moment of… of kind of genius, and ….

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, the D'Angelo records as well, like, that come out every decade, but are always incredible, and I think it's got that kind of… that feel to it as well. But yeah, I mean, I think it's currently set at a 93 on Metacritic, like, it's one of the best-reviewed albums of the year so far, and it's one of the best things I've heard this year, definitely.

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Alternate Line: Well, we're getting it, I mean, it's the end of August, you're probably already starting to think about your Christmas list, your top 151, or whatever it is.

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Alternate Line: And, yeah, imagine this will be flapping about up the top somewhere, you'd have thought. Excellent, right. Track 3 can't possibly… can't possibly be as good as the first two.

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Alternate Line: Can it do that? Let's find out. So this track is, from Water From Your Eyes, and the track is Life Signs, and if your socks are currently on.

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Alternate Line: Go to hell, take the train, generations, learned impatience, some kind of strife in the city, an hour then, one night of life I take with me, hours spent, tick, tick, your life, sunlit, sick skyscraper, bright, odd, short sight, online, poor thought.

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Alternate Line: Cathedrals are built, unbuilt, rebuilt, unwavering guilt. Pools of rain happens, don't subject until I'm unfulfilled. I'm in a beautiful place, yeah, so sad, and it is a beautiful place, I need you here right now In this beautiful place. Can you resurrect a cloud? Can you claim its fate?

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Alternate Line: Lost my reverence, locked up in a prison, return to memory to Atlanta, to save a tradition, imagine a different, a natural condition, a nerve recognition, atomic collision, it's fragment prediction, so it was forgiven, or maybe it was…

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Alternate Line: I love how they end on that major chord, I absolutely love it. I've loved it every time I've listened to it. It's something to look forward to at the end of each, each listen. So that is Life Signs by Water From Your Eyes.

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Alternate Line: Ruth? Sorry, Ruth!

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Alternate Line: I don't even… I'm… I'm all positive doubt. I might just need to say that.

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Alternate Line: So yeah, I love this, and I found… I don't know if this is true or not, right? But I found a Reddit comment, saying that the band were on a local radio station wherever they live, and, …

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Alternate Line: they were interviewed about, and they were talking about this track, and they said… you might know this already, but as soon as I heard it, I was like, oh yeah! Apparently, the musical inspiration for this song was Red Hot Chili Peppers Around the World.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, really? Right, okay.

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Andrew's iPhone: Right? Okay, of course.

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Alternate Line: Which is actually really smartly recorded, because she's definitely recorded, like, 2 or 3 vocals, and each time the engineer just must have been like, can you sound more bored as you deliver these lines, please? Can you just give me more, you know, like, underwhelm me more?

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Alternate Line: Yeah, massive, massive on-week. So, so yeah, again, I'm, I'm in. All aboard.

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Andrew's iPhone: Good, yeah, I mean, yeah, especially with this track, I'm the same. So, I'll give you a little bit of background. So, Water From Your Eyes is an American art rock band, consisting of Nate Amos on guitar and production, and Rachel Brown on those, deadpan vocals.

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Andrew's iPhone: They originated in Chicago, Illinois, before relocating to Brooklyn, New York.

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Andrew's iPhone: And they released 4 records, before signing with Matador Records in 2023, and that kind of brought them to a slightly wider audience. They had a fifth record called Everyone's Crushed that was well-received.

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Andrew's iPhone: And had a 2024 release that we talked about, under the name, This Islorelei. I don't know if you remember.

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Andrew's iPhone: Talking about that.

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Andrew's iPhone: But that was the.

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Andrew's iPhone: I was kind of, like, dealing slightly more in a kind of, like, indie disco, almost, and there's, like, kind of, like, country inflections in there and that kind of thing, but it was a terrific record, and…

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Andrew's iPhone: there's, like, an enthusiasm for that record that's kind of bled into this one, I think, and again, it kind of feels like they're kind of on the rise, and there's a bit more kind of profile for them this time around.

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Andrew's iPhone: So, even though it's quite strange, strange music in a lot of ways, it's kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, it is kind of getting, as I say, this profile, and people are hearing it, which is really cool, I think. There's so many kind of weird and wonderful things about this project and this album.

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Alternate Line: Waxahachie, Right? And then they were, like, digging around online, led them to MJ Lenderman.

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Andrew's iPhone: Right?

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Alternate Line: Lenderman to… this is Lorelei.

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Alternate Line: Laura, lot of light to this.

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Andrew's iPhone: Is that it is.

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Alternate Line: They're really happy with how they'd, like.

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Alternate Line: bled through each other, these different projects, and had enjoyed each of them, and … there's a sort of through-line-ish between these things. Some great sounds on this song, though, some really, really, you know, great moments worth picking up. I'm gonna call it the chorus, I don't know if it is necessarily the chorus, the, …

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Alternate Line: What's on the record? Life in a small town. There's a great, like, really, really simple, like, it's almost like a sort of Casio keyboard drumbeat in the background, really kind of dusty, old-fashioned, like, 80s drumbeat, which I really, really, really love, sonically.

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Alternate Line: The guitars sound phenomenal, like, some really, really good playing. I think once you, once you hear the, the Red Hot Chili Peppers all around the world, or around the world, comparison, it'll be difficult to not think of those two things in a comparative way. But the guitarist from Red Hot Chili Peppers is…

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Alternate Line: legitimately one of the greatest loving guitarists. I forget his name now, whatever he's called. You know the guy. You'll see his name and I'll kick myself.

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Andrew's iPhone: Fishanti is it?

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Alternate Line: Yeah, John Frusciante, yeah, I mean, he is, like, the living embodiment of, like, Jimi Hendrix or something like that, so it's not a bad thing when that's the part you're aping, I don't think. …

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Alternate Line: at least it's not the lyrics, at least it's not the… it's the Red Hot Charlie Peppers.

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Andrew's iPhone: Or the cocks and socks.

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Alternate Line: Yes, quite old, yeah, not good. Defiled, Abby Rode. But yeah, so, to me, like, there's some really, really great playing on here as well, and do you know what it put me in mind of a little bit as well? It put me in mind of, like, …

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Alternate Line: sort of early 2000s, rock music as well. It had a little bit of, like, Deftones kind of vibe to it as well, a little bit. And that could well be… that period of time in music could well be due a sort of…

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Alternate Line: like, obviously Limp Bizkit are still touring and all that sort of stuff, it's just a matter of time before we're listening to new, new metal, and reviewing it and stuff, so that's got a hint of that.

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Alternate Line: As well, I would say. It's like that famous Deftones song, I can't remember the name of, I can't even bother looking up, so, …

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Alternate Line: So yeah, so I'm… I really, really enjoyed that. And I love the… I love the… the deadpan, stuff, you know.

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Alternate Line: … yeah, just the lyrics are great, they're just, like, stacked. You know, there's, like, a great poem, you know, one of those ones, but it's just full of… it's like, it's almost like a Bob Dylan verse, which is just crammed full of images.

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Alternate Line: And it's telling… it's saying to you, on you go, pull me apart if you want, try and work out what the hell I'm on about, and it's sort of got that impenetrable kind of vibe to it. There's probably something in there I haven't worked out yet, I have to be honest with you, but yeah, it's really, really good.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I haven't been able to work out what the hell it's all about, but I do really enjoy listening to it. The album's really cool as well, there's just so many great, great sounds on it.

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Andrew's iPhone: I could maybe do a few more actual songs, I would suggest, like, there's, like, it's, like, 10 tracks, 29 minutes, there's, like, 6 songs or tracks, if you like, and then there's, like, 4 kind of ambient…

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Andrew's iPhone: interlude-type experiments in there. But it all kind of works when you listen to it as a whole, but yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: it's a… it's a cool… it is a cool record, and I… yeah, I'd recommend people checking it out, but this was… this was the highlight for me. I think this is just an absolute…

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Andrew's iPhone: Terrific.

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Andrew's iPhone: won't keep…

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, it's pop, again, it's kind of pop. It's pop? It is pop! But, yeah, it's just… it's got a kind of dark sense of humor to it as well. It's all that kind of sing-song chorus. Yeah, I just think it works fantastically well.

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Alternate Line: So that is, Water From Your Eyes, with our new record, It's a Beautiful Place. The Cool Kids are all listening to it, guys, that's what the cool kids are listening to. Listening to Dijon, listening to Wolf Alice, and listening to Water From Your Eyes. Is there anything else that you're listening to this week, Andrew, in this bumper week? Yes, there are more things.

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Alternate Line: So this track. There are new things. This next track is by Tyler Ballgame.

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Alternate Line: Which I have to say, quite a cringe name.

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Alternate Line: Quite a cringe name, Tyler Ballgame. I don't know why, if I can have it.

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Andrew's iPhone: what to call… Which is even more cringe, so… I don't know why.

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Alternate Line: Yeah. Right, so, Tyler Ballgame, with the track, got a new car.

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Andrew's iPhone: Well, I always want to call him Tyler Baseball for some reason, so… So, who knows?

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, this was the one that I was referring to as the kind of new artist on the block, so…

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Andrew's iPhone: I think this is, like, his second proper single, so… but yeah, this kind of caught my ear when I was driving home from work, and it came on the radio, so… see what you make of this.

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Alternate Line: Okay, will this be a home run or a strikeout from Tyler Ballgame? Here we go.

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Alternate Line: So my old soul.

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Alternate Line: It is break time.

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Alternate Line: Doesn't know yet he'll feel it when he wakes up.

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Alternate Line: Hear me styling.

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Alternate Line: I was being nearly quiet when I G!

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Alternate Line: Number 10.

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Alternate Line: Put some friction in the friction we were making.

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Alternate Line: Tyler Bone!

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Alternate Line: Disrespecting Don't be food, don't Sling stings like a catalog.

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Alternate Line: Keep in your prayers, I can ride along.

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Alternate Line: Let's scared Cool!

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Alternate Line: Held a seance with my body.

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Alternate Line: Looking back, it's a Hail Mary party.

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Alternate Line: It's all… You're strong.

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Alternate Line: I'm like an animal No one's gonna tout us, but they'll tell you all about us when we die.

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Alternate Line: To the water.

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Alternate Line: Alright, not the cover of a Lexi Sale's

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Alternate Line: Hello, John got a new motor that I was kind of hoping for, but that's okay, that's fine as well.

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Alternate Line: So this is, Tyler Ball Game. Now, Ruth, you can unshield your ears this time. I'm not gonna get quite as… quite as, shouty and swayy. I think you're muted, Andrew, before you, before you start to speak. …

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Alternate Line: So, yeah, I'm not gonna get quite so sweary and shouty as I normally do, or I have been doing this evening. But what I will say is, I find this artist really interesting.

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Alternate Line: The song is okay, I don't hate the song, but I think the artist is really interesting, despite the cringey name.

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Alternate Line: So… What's the user?

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I mean, as I said, this song did actually catch my ear when I was listening to it. I was listening to… I was driving home, and I was listening to Six Music on a Monday, which is Steve Lamax.

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Andrew's iPhone: Shoe.

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Andrew's iPhone: And a lot of the stuff that he plays doesn't catch my ear, it's a lot of, kind of.

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, 90s…

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Andrew's iPhone: stuff, and kind of just guitar, just kind of generic guitar stuff to my ears. But yeah, as I say, this one, I had… I had a kind of drama to it, and a grandness to it that I responded to. And then, as you say, once you kind of delve into his kind of backstory a little bit as well, it's kind of interesting, and…

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Andrew's iPhone: There's been a kind of clamour around this… this artist as well, like, a lot of people kind of wanting to…

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Andrew's iPhone: To be associated with them, so….

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Alternate Line: Yeah, same too rough trade.

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Alternate Line: Is it in the UK, or is it in the US as well, or… I don't know.

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Andrew's iPhone: I think, I think it's everywhere, yeah, but yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: As I say, there was a kind of… a kind of clamour, and it's a rough trade that he's gone with. I mean, Jeff Chavis has got kind of form for…

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Andrew's iPhone: for charming these kind of acts, you know, think about people like the Alabama Shakes, or the Strokes, going back in the day, and that kind of thing. So, …

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, he's an interesting, interesting guy. He's kind of already kind of built up a bit of a…

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Andrew's iPhone: following through these clips that have been shared of him performing live. He's got a… he's a big chap, and he's got a big presence, when he's performing, and there's a real kind of….

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Alternate Line: guys are… big guys are back. Big guys are so back, like, you know.

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Alternate Line: And they've got big backs as well, but, like, you know, you think about, what's his name, the big country guy, with the tattoos on his face? My memory is so… I'm sorry, listeners, that my memory is so terrible. … it'll come to me.

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Alternate Line: It's a silly name, anyway. There's him, and then there's Teddy Swims as well, also a big guy. And then we've got, you know, your Mr. Ball Game. If that is his real name, we'll need to see… see his actual ballgame.

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Alternate Line: certificate. But yeah, and there's something, like, nicely, playful and operatic about his voice.

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Alternate Line: Which, which I really, which I really do appreciate. There's a real Roy Orbison vibe about this singing here, which I'm, which I'm a big fan of as well. Now, I think when I say, like, the song's alright, this is a good song, this is a really, really, really good song. But I don't think… if… if…

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Alternate Line: If this artist is gonna, like, become a, like, a, you know, burst into the mainstream and be a really, really big artist, I think this material is too safe.

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Alternate Line: dramatic, and more, you know, and maybe more edgy, that would be my own view. Whereas I think this is, like.

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Alternate Line: What would happen if you took, like, a Roy Orbison operatic, you know, but modern voice, and then you put it on something glitchy and weird, and what would happen if you put those two things together? And so, for the time being.

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Alternate Line: don't know, but, I wonder if… I wonder if this'll just be approaching the market in a kind of, like.

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Andrew's iPhone: So, yeah, in terms of his backstory, like, there's kind of, like, stories of him kind of living in his mum's basement, and kind of, like, feeling a bit sorry for himself. He talks about having, like, depression for 10 years. So he went to Berkeley College of Music, and…

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Andrew's iPhone: By all accounts, he was doing some good stuff, but he was also kind of, by his own account, he was kind of, like, dossing about and smoking too much weed and that kind of thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: And he actually managed to blag himself a job at a real estate company in LA, basically just lied that he had a degree that he didn't have and got a job. And then he just started playing these, kind of, open mic nights in LA.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, yeah, just kind of capture people's imaginations. And then there's, one of his Instagram stories was watched by Jonathan Rado, who's, who's part of Foxygen, and is also, like, a big producer for people like Wise Blood.

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Andrew's iPhone: So….

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Alternate Line: Lovewise, bud.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes, but… so again, it's that kind of, like, it's that kind of classic, kind of, 70s…

471
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Andrew's iPhone: As you say, kind of easy listening, FM, A-O-R kind of thing.

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Alternate Line: It's got a kind of croonery vibe as well, though, doesn't it?

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Andrew's iPhone: That's it.

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Alternate Line: It sort of evokes a little bit, …

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Alternate Line: show tunes, you know, Sinatra, a little bit is that as well, it's got a foot in there. But there is a… there is a more melodramatic, kind of side to it as well. So, so yes, I'm interested in this artist, and I wonder if we'll… I wonder if we'll…

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Alternate Line: I wonder if this would be one of those ones where, you know, in 3 years you'll say to me, oh, remember we listened to, you know, old Tyler Ball Game? And I'll go, I'll look confused and go, yeah, but I won't really remember. Or if it will be like, no, remember the Tyler Ball Game? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. I wonder if it will be one of those ones. Time will tell, I guess.

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Alternate Line: I just think this is too middle of the road, this track, I think, to really…

478
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Alternate Line: I'm gonna contradict myself. It is middle of the road, the track itself, but it does allow him to do the melodramatic stuff on top, so…

479
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Alternate Line: I guess we'll just see what his next, … what his next move is. And to quote my favourite film of all time, Anchorman, I'm just gonna say, Whammy!

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Alternate Line: For no reason at all, because why… why wouldn't I?

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Andrew's iPhone: I do like what you're saying about the kind of, you know, it could be a bit weirder. You know, the Tyler Ballgame of it comes about from him performing Roy Orberton's Crying, and kind of, like, really kind of leaning into the kind of the…

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, you were talking about show tunes as well, there's that kind of the theatricality of that, and I think he thought that by giving himself this kind of stupid name, this kind of character that he's dreamed up, he could be more of that…

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Andrew's iPhone: that kind of showman on stage, so I guess there's a kind of reason for the cringiness here. I think in that track that we just played, he talks about, you know, Tyler Ballgame got his hopes up, or something like that, so he kind of talks about himself in the third person and that kind of thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: So, yeah, so I think that… and he's talked about being influenced by things like, The Who's rock opera Tommy and things like that, so… so that's def… that's definitely in there, and it'd be interesting to see, like, over the course of an album, whether he leans into that a little bit more. But no, as I say, this is… I do think this is a good track.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I think it kind of fits in quite nicely with things like Wise Blood or Drug Dealer, which is an act that Wise Blood's collaborated with. Also reminds me a little bit of Tobias Jesso Jr, who is…

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Andrew's iPhone: this guy had an album out about 10 years ago that was very, kind of, in that vein of, like, Harry Nielsen and people like that, McCartney.

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Alternate Line: Yep.

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Andrew's iPhone: He made one album and then kind of disappeared into the songwriter's room, and now he writes for Adele, and he's actually on that… he's noticed his name in the credits for the Dijon record as well, so… Yeah. He's making a very, kind of.

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, nice living for himself without being front stage.

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Alternate Line: center, yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: No, I can see Tyler Ballgame certainly kind of taking, like, the kind of festival circuit by storm. I think he's got one of those kind of personalities that, when you see him live, I think it'll probably have another impact.

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Alternate Line: Well, he's playing SWG3 on the 6th of September.

493
01:06:08.970 --> 01:06:14.540
Alternate Line: Which is just a couple of weeks away, isn't it? It's Fortnite or something from here? In Glasgow.

494
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Alternate Line: Hello?

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, he's at the Poetry Club as part of the SWG3, so yeah, I think that'll be a cool place to see him, and I imagine he'll be playing in some bigger venues very soon.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, Fortnite, and you know, I wouldn't be against going to see that myself, I don't know if I've got any… got any free time, but I'll certainly have a look at it. Right, so that brings us on to our final new track of the week.

497
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Alternate Line: More baby-related stuff, so the Dijon album is called Baby. This track is called Baby Baby, …

498
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Alternate Line: And yeah, so this track is by Nourished by Time.

499
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Alternate Line: And it's called BBB. There we go.

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Alternate Line: incurred.

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Alternate Line: action alone.

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Alternate Line: I shall…

503
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Alternate Line: Turn your fucking brain off.

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Alternate Line: train stop.

505
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Alternate Line: So it is BBB.

506
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Alternate Line: By Nourished by Time. A fellow, … Medieland, chop?

507
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Alternate Line: I believe, Marcus Brown's it right, same as Dijon.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's right, yeah. And he's… he was… been through the Berkeley College of Music as well, like, …

509
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Andrew's iPhone: like our… our man.

510
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Alternate Line: Ballpark? What was he gonna say?

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, yeah.

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Alternate Line: any ballpark?

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Andrew's iPhone: overlap. Yeah, yeah, so we had, we had the Dijon album Baby earlier in the show, and now we've got Baby Baby, courtesy of Nourished by Time, and…

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Andrew's iPhone: He's kind of working in a similar lane to Dijon in some ways, as that kind of pos… again, it's that kind of post-genre, alternative R&B thing, but it's a very different kind of vibe, different flavor of it. It's a bit kind of rougher, grittier, shadowier.

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Andrew's iPhone: Than what Tijon's doing.

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Alternate Line: And unexpectedly, more like New Order than I was anticipating.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

518
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Alternate Line: Do you not think so?

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I can see that, yeah, definitely, like, that guitar that comes in towards the end, yeah.

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Alternate Line: You know, it's almost like early 2000s New Order as well. It's a strange period of New Orders of all the ones to go for. But it does have a… similarly to Dijon, it's got the same sort of, genre-mashing, kind of vibe,

521
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Alternate Line: This, this, this track, anyway, I don't know about, …

522
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Alternate Line: I don't know about, Nourish My Time enough to say this. There's a political element to this as well, there's a lyrical reference to if you can bomb Palestine, you can bomb…

523
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Alternate Line: And then it's the name of a place in Maryland, whose name escapes me right now, I have it right in front of me. Mondamed Mondawmin? Mondawmin is the place in, in, Maryland.

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Alternate Line: So he's basically kind of talking about politics. We don't touch politics on this podcast, it's not for us, it's not what we're about, but he is a political chap. But I would say the lyrics here are more like, kind of, …

525
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Alternate Line: Rather than being kind of a protest-type music or whatever, it's sort of more, like, politically aware.

526
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Alternate Line: Rather than, like, politically motivated, if you know what I mean.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, there's a lot, kind of, like, social politics, like, he talks a lot about, kind of, like, capitalism and things like that, and yeah, the, kind of, the kind of movement around the Murray, and how that can impact areas, and that kind of thing. So yeah, so he's, he's…

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, he's kind of exploring things like that, and he's talked… the album's called The Passionate Ones, and it's… this idea of passion in everything that you do is something that kind of seems to motivate him, whether it be in your relationships, or the way you go about your life, or the way that you kind of…

529
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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, you kind of maneuver yourself through your environment. It seems to be a big thing for him.

530
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Andrew's iPhone: The Nourished by Time, … Name as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: He's described it as a mantra about staying consistent.

532
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Andrew's iPhone: Which I thought would be something that could have chime in with you. I know your thing used to be, like, consistency is greater than….

533
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Alternate Line: Its intensity, yep, consistently.

534
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Andrew's iPhone: It keeps intensity, yeah. Yeah. So I thought it was quite interesting. But yeah, he's very much a kind of one-man band.

535
01:13:36.330 --> 01:13:44.579
Andrew's iPhone: And he's kind of building up his fan base and building up his craft over time, so his productions are becoming a little bit more…

536
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Andrew's iPhone: Sophisticated, whilst still maintaining that kind of lo-fi…

537
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Andrew's iPhone: kind of auteur, like, like, kind of bedroom auteur, like, quality. Passion!

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, exactly, yeah, and I think that there's kind of, like, you know, the passionate ones kind of makes me think of the beautiful ones by Prince. I think there's a big kind of Prince vibe to everything that he does.

539
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Andrew's iPhone: And he is somebody that's getting a lot of, kind of, good reviews and a lot of, kind of, attention as well. This album…

540
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Andrew's iPhone: I've been enjoying it. I've not… it's not fully hit with me. I think it is definitely a grower. It was kind of difficult to kind of choose which… which track to kind of cherry-pick from it. Again, it is kind of vibe-based.

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Andrew's iPhone: So it was kind of hard to pick one up. In the end, I went for this one, just because I thought it kind of… it was kind of something different to what we've heard already in the playlist, almost, rather than it being my favourite track on the album, necessarily. But yeah, there's some tracks that are more kind of cerebral.

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Andrew's iPhone: whilst being quite soulful. And then there's other ones like this one that are a bit more lively and dance-infused, and also got that kind of post-punk vibe to them.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, it's kind of fun. There's a sort of naivety to this as well. Yeah. And obviously the repetition and rhythm of the lyrics, especially with the line, Baby Baby.

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Alternate Line: There's a kind of comedy to it, and human as well. Very relatable lyric, early on in the track as well, I think it's, like, the third line, but he says, low on money.

545
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Alternate Line: Quite high on passion.

546
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Alternate Line: You know?

547
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Alternate Line: Quite high on passion. Quite high on passion. I don't know if he means… does he mean, like, relative to how much money I have, I have a much larger stack of passion.

548
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Alternate Line: Or does he mean, like, literally, like, I'm, like, high on passion? Like, I'm full of passion, I love it, and it makes me feel great. I just don't know. But for all, starting artists, I think the phrase, low on money, high on passion, is probably quite, quite accurate. Also, all this chat of passion just makes me think of, like, …

549
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Alternate Line: sort of like, you know, Brexit-style football managers who yell about passion.

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Andrew's iPhone: All the.

551
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Alternate Line: You know? But I'm brought to mind of your Joe Kinnear, for example, of Newcastle fame, Wimbledon fame, who used to talk about passion all the time. And Barry Fry, he's a great football manager, talks about passion.

552
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Alternate Line: They're my favourites. Quite a world away from, …

553
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:15.910
Alternate Line: From what we're listening to today, but there you go, it's what it is. So, Andrew.

554
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Alternate Line: I think, looking back on the 5 tracks that we've, we've reviewed today, we've got, like, a…

555
01:16:23.860 --> 01:16:30.019
Alternate Line: I mean, your hit rate on the first three was very, very, very, very high. You know, I think…

556
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Alternate Line: The first two, particularly, you know, are up there in the, sort of.

557
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Alternate Line: some of the best tracks you're gonna hear all year, apart from, you know, apart from anything else. Track 3 is just gloriously fun and weird. I think The Artist on track 4, …

558
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Alternate Line: Teddy Ball Boy, or whatever it was?

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Andrew's iPhone: He's….

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Alternate Line: Really interesting guy, Tyler Ballgame, to give the proper name. He's a really interesting guy, and a really interesting artist. And this as well, it's funny how this is so unique and interesting, but also so relatively similar to Dijon as well. It's interesting, they both come from a relatively similar place, as you said, with the Bertley connection and whatever else as well, so…

561
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Alternate Line: So, an interesting week, for sure. A hot streak this week. You said it was a big week of music releases.

562
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Alternate Line: And so it has been proved.

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Andrew's iPhone: Good, yeah, yeah, I think that's true. I mean, yeah, you mentioned Deftones earlier as well, I mean, they had a big album out on Friday as well, but just didn't even get to that, just because there was….

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Alternate Line: Probably Pesh, that's why.

565
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Andrew's iPhone: I think it's supposed to be okay, but … but yeah, I thought these ones would be…

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Andrew's iPhone: More… more interesting to talk about, so….

567
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Alternate Line: Yeah, not a Deftones guy, as you may have gathered from my last comment. Right, so there's those reviewed five steaming hot new tracks, my lovelies. So that just brings us onto our, …

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Alternate Line: Final part of our week, final part of our format, which is where we have the final word, where Andrew plucks down a record from his actual connection, collection, not connection, and he makes a connection, sometimes very strong, sometimes not so strong.

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Alternate Line: Between something we've listened to today and something that he owns. And just to say, very quickly before we go.

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Alternate Line: If you want to support the podcast, you're already doing it by listening. If you've made it through this far, that's great, thank you so much. Recommend us to a friend, you know, write about us on your social media posts, that's lovely. Message us on Instagram, especially if you knew the name of the opening track this week, which I don't think anyone will, or the artist, but feel free to try anyway.

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Alternate Line: And if you want to contribute to the podcast financially, you can. Just take yourself to www.buymeacoffee.com slash we heardwonders, and buy us a wee matcha, or something like that, and we'll, we'll, we'll put all that money towards the ongoing upkeep of this here podcast. Andrew!

572
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Alternate Line: The vinyl word, sir.

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Andrew's iPhone: Thank you. Yeah, so we are going from Wolf Alice, who's… who got their name from the short story Wolf Alice by the author Angela Carter.

574
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Andrew's iPhone: From her collection, The Bloody Chamber.

575
01:19:02.440 --> 01:19:04.299
Alternate Line: We're going… we are going literally here.

576
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Andrew's iPhone: Yes!

577
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Alternate Line: We're going literary art.

578
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Andrew's iPhone: So, yeah, so her most famous collection is called The Bloody Chamber, which was her kind of feminist take on….

579
01:19:12.450 --> 01:19:12.780
Alternate Line: Very.

580
01:19:12.780 --> 01:19:15.380
Andrew's iPhone: Fairy tales and folklore and that kind of thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I've linked that to a track called Choker.

582
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Andrew's iPhone: Which was inspired by the lead short story, The Bloody Chamber. So this is a track by Honeyblood from their 2014 self-titled debut.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, yeah, I just thought this kind of led quite nicely on from last week as well. We were talking about the chords. I think this is, like, another good example of Scotland doing…

584
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Andrew's iPhone: Kind of that kind of indie rock, power pop… Type thing really well.

585
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Alternate Line: Yeah. So, albeit this is a kind of grungier version of that.

586
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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, I thought this could play us out this week.

587
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Alternate Line: Excellent. I'm sure… that, Deadline Shakes, they played a gig with

588
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Alternate Line: some element of Honeyblood back in the… back in the long-gone days, 2012, 2013, something like that. I think…

589
01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:30.030
Alternate Line: I think. Now, I have, as I've demonstrated over and over again, a dreadful, dreadful memory for details, so I'm gonna check on that this week and get back to you. I'm pretty sure, … I'm pretty sure I know which gig it was as well, but I'm not willing to commit into that as well, because if I'm just talking about someone else, then that's less cool. But, Honeyblood, for that reason, I've kind of always been on my, …

590
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Alternate Line: radar, we did a… Deadline Shakes did a BBC introducing thing with Vic Galloway, on the radio, and I'm pretty sure Honeyblood were either

591
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Alternate Line: the week before us, or the week after, or something like that. They've gone on to be…

592
01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:46.890
Alternate Line: A wee bit more.

593
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Alternate Line: wee bit more commercially viable, I would say.

594
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Alternate Line: And that's fine. So, yeah, I'm familiar with this track, and familiar with Honeyblood, so… good way to end the show. So I guess…

595
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Alternate Line: All that's left is for us to say, podcast listeners, we shall see you down the road.

596
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Alternate Line: It feels so good.

597
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Alternate Line: It's your heart.

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Andrew's iPhone: June!

599
01:23:05.630 --> 01:23:06.500
Andrew's iPhone: It's your heart.

600
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:20.630
Andrew's iPhone: Justice!

601
01:23:55.290 --> 01:23:56.010
Andrew's iPhone: to sing!

602
01:23:58.500 --> 01:24:00.190
Andrew's iPhone: Just… This is true.

603
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Andrew's iPhone: It just feeds your heart.