Frills, Feathers & Feelings: Geese, CMAT, The New Eves, Blood Orange & Ami Taf Ra (plus a wee bit of QOTSA, Taylor Swift and Ricky Ross!)

Five recent music releases are road-tested and reviewed on the latest @weheardwonders pod. What makes Geese stand out from the alt-rock flock? Does CMAT’s “Irish country rock’n’roll” raise a smile? Are The New Eves novel or more novelty? Is Ami Taf Ra’s maximalist jazz awe-inspiring or yawn-inducing? And what emotions does Blood Orange alternative-R&B stir? Tune in to find out the answers. Talk also (inevitably) turns to Taylor Swift’s The Life Of A Showgirl, and something frilly ‘n’ florally prog has The Vinyl Word. Listen to We Heard Wonders on your podcast platform of choice; tell your friends; like, subscribe and recommend; catch up with previous editions and support the show by buying us a Coffee (link in the show’s bio).

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Alternate Line: Hello, Sunshines, and welcome to We Heard Wonders, the music podcast that's a minger, and wants to ming with you. How you doing, Andrew?

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Andrew's iPhone: Hello, sunshine. Yeah, not too bad.

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Andrew's iPhone: There you go.

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Alternate Line: I'm very well, thank you, yes, nice to be back at my,

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Andrew's iPhone: Yep, glad to be back in my studio, which is my music room, surrounded by my records, yeah.

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Alternate Line: Yours actually looks like a podcast studio, because it's got, like, you're surrounded by records, you've got stuff. Mine doesn't so much. Cool, why don't we introduce ourselves? It's been a minute, I suppose, so, should probably do that up front, and then we'll talk about what we're gonna do.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yep, my name's Andrew, I buy records and write about them on Instagram, at KidAGH86.

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Andrew's iPhone: Nice, no, nobody wants to be Tito.

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Alternate Line: Definitely not. My name's Ian, I'm a guitarist in Glasgow band, The Deadline Shakes, and you can find us on all your social medias, at Deadline Shakes. Groovy, so we're back after we break, and I think we're just back at…

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I think so, yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, it was new-ish, and then I've just chucked in something pretty much brand new, just to kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: keep it fresh. But yeah, it provided some solace for me a few weeks ago, where you actually had some technical difficulties for a change, is normally.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's having that, that problem.

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Andrew's iPhone: the old technology?

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Andrew's iPhone: That's presumed.

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Andrew's iPhone: Curious.

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Andrew's iPhone: I was gonna say, are you subscribing to that, that website?

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Alternate Line: your reaction, whether you agree or disagree. But basically, the key facts from this, University of Gothenburg study are that basically, when you are young, when you're a teenager, adolescent, it's natural that you explore diverse and trendy genres of music from all kinds of

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Alternate Line: And they're thinking that, these findings might actually improve music recommendations for, like, streaming services, because they'll be able to tailor it even more accurately to,

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Alternate Line: I think is the article. That's the reasonable summary of the article, I think.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I think that's a good summary, and yeah, I was a bit like you, I was like, yeah, that… that's just what it is, isn't it?

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Andrew's iPhone: the way things are, is it not? And even with the kind of tailoring thing, I'm thinking, surely that's what they do, anyway? If you're listening to a lot of Oasis, they're gonna recommend…

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Andrew's iPhone: Kind of modern equivalents, but they are gonna recommend 90s stuff as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: At the fault.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, you know, I'm like, I'm… I'm…

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Andrew's iPhone: I've never used it, I've never used it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Kind of look at my day lists and things, but I've never used the DJ thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: the idea that I'm being pandered to, or that I'm being kind of fed too much, you know, I just gotta try and at least feel like I'm finding things for myself.

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Andrew's iPhone: Funnily enough, I've actually just recently unsubscribed from Spotify. I've finally done it.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's something that I've wanted to do for a wee while, and

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Andrew's iPhone: I'd seen the thing where it's like, get free, free months of Apple Music, so I've just thought.

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Andrew's iPhone: Take the plunge, and…

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Andrew's iPhone: It's incredible, the sound difference, I would say. I don't even think, like, Apple Music's necessarily one of the best in terms of sound quality, but certainly compared to Spotify, it's kind of night and day. It's like kind of having…

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Andrew's iPhone: The cotton wool put out of your ears, kind of?

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Andrew's iPhone: things are, like, clearer, and… and yeah, I think… I think obviously there are alternatives that are even better, you know, things like QBoz or Tidal, but for me at the moment, it's… it's… it's working. Yeah, it's good.

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Andrew's iPhone: So, the…

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Andrew's iPhone: With a DJ, it's things that you've listened to before, or that you've got saved, rather than just recommendations, or a bit of both?

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Thinking about that, that, survey a little bit more, like.

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Andrew's iPhone: You know, that kind of idea that younger people are more adventurous, and then you kind of get… maybe kind of, like, stuck in the rot, or you start to look backwards a little bit. But I think we're kind of maybe…

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Andrew's iPhone: Different from a lot of people in…

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Andrew's iPhone: in regard of, like, obviously having, like, a music podcast, and a new music podcast, and kind of… I mean, I've just…

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Andrew's iPhone: constantly obsessed with, like, finding new things, but I think maybe I am an exception, I don't know. Once you're kind of hitting 40 and over, maybe, like, you do start to just kind of… you're quite kind of happy just to kind of… I've certainly got friends like that that are just kind of happy to…

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Andrew's iPhone: a type of person. Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I think maybe, yeah, just maybe a little bit more, kind of, open-minded before you've, kind of, decided what your tastes are, maybe?

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Andrew's iPhone: And, yeah. I mean, we, we talked before, it was one of the, one of the kind of,

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Andrew's iPhone: question episodes that we had, and people were asking, like, what's your favourite year in music? And I think both of us pretty much said the year that we were, you know, when we were 14 years old, pretty much, you know? We were, like, 97, I was 2000, so… there's something about that kind of age, around that time, where you are just so open to…

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Andrew's iPhone: To things, and the things that you find at that age, or the things that can define you as a listener, as a person as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: Who are you hanging out with? Yeah, sure.

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Alternate Line: just run away. Well, not people who like Top Loader, clearly, so, so yeah. Right, so, on that very… we've brought ourselves round to the neatest possible point, right? So this is a new music podcast, and so we have five…

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Andrew's iPhone: Yep, so we've got new music to review from Geese.

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Andrew's iPhone: CMAT, The New Eves, Blood Orange, and Amitafra.

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Alternate Line: Excellent. And, this geese record is definitely the one which has been sparking a bit of,

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Alternate Line: you know, a bit of, interest online. I've seen a few articles and reviews and all that kind of stuff, so that is the new new, which we'll just kick off with right now. Unless there's anything else you want to say about it, I think let's just get stuck.

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Alternate Line: Right into it, shall we?

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Andrew's iPhone: No? Go for it.

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Alternate Line: Here we go, this is Bow Down by Geese from the record, Getting Killed.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Down, down, down to Maria's dead bone.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: He said he with least money had to sell, sell, sad.

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Alternate Line: Very nice, very nice. There's geese with, bow down. Not an artist I was familiar with, Andrew. I feel like I've come late to the,

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, yeah, I was…

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Andrew's iPhone: Bit earlier to the party than you, but still a bit late overall, I would say. So, for anybody that doesn't know, Geese are a rock and roll band, consisting of four 23-year-olds, long-time pals, high school pals from Brooklyn and Manhattan.

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Andrew's iPhone: Their name is derived from guitarist Emily Green's nickname, which was Goose.

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Andrew's iPhone: So it's a kind of play on that, as well as being a tip of the beak, I would say, to another noisy, uncompromising band called Swans.

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Andrew's iPhone: Honk. So yeah, so they started in high school. They were actually about to break up at one point,

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Andrew's iPhone: And then they had a follow-up, which was more of a kind of indulgent record than more of a kind of studio record in 2023 called 3D Country. So, as I say, I'm a bit late to the party as well. I jumped on board, with the first solo album that was released by the lead frontman.

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Andrew's iPhone: Cameron Winter. So he released an album in December of 2024.

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Andrew's iPhone: But in the time since, that record's really kind of gained a following.

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Andrew's iPhone: grown to kind of really like Cameron Winter's, character voice. It's almost had kind of an outsider art edge to… to his voice in that record. Very, kind of, earthy, very kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: strange, and… Quite, quite dirgy in places, and quite, yeah, quite strange, but there was also…

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Andrew's iPhone: His voice is actually relatively restrained on this track compared to some tracks, but yeah, I've seen all kinds of references from, you know, Van Morrison to Rufus Wainwright to Tom Waits.

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Andrew's iPhone: to, like, a young Bill Oldham, maybe? I think Tom York as well, at points, as well. Yeah. But yes, so it's, yeah, so it was with that, that record, Heavy Metal, that people have really started to, kind of, take an interest,

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Andrew's iPhone: MJ Lindemann said he's really inspired by how uncompromising that record was, and got in contact with, one tour at that point. Nick Cave has called it a wracked and Wondrous Thing, that album.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so it felt like a lot of people jumped on board at that point, and it was a real kind of surprise hit. It did feel like one of those, kind of, cult records.

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Andrew's iPhone: it felt like a lot of people have kind of primed themselves for this geese record that's come kind of hot on the heels of it. So the new album's called Getting Killed.

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Andrew's iPhone: And as you say, there's a real kind of buzz, a real kind of excitement about this record.

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Andrew's iPhone: there are bits that are kind of initially challenging, there are those kind of jarring eccentricities about it, especially in the vocal delivery, but I think people have been able to acclimatize to it a bit quicker because of that solo record.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, yeah, the kind of outpouring of love for this album already, and the kind of excitement around this band, I think kind of shows that people are kind of…

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Alternate Line: quite bassy, lower-in-the-range sound overall. Obviously, very heavily led by the… the drumming pattern, and it feels like a kind of, like a sort of chant, almost, you know?

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Andrew's iPhone: Really cool drumming on this track. And yeah, they're actually working with Kenny Beats on this record, who is kind of known primarily as a hip-hop producer, so kind of working with, like, Freddie Gibbs and Vince Staples and that. He has done work with, like, people like Idols as well, so he has kind of worked with a rock group before, but…

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, I think… I think he, apparently, one of the first times he met the band, he said, I'm horny for mistakes, and apparently, like, Cameron Winter loved that kind of idea, that kind of idea of kind of capturing, as you say, like, all the kind of imperfections in the music, and finding that kind of human aspect to it.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, it's a real kind of trip on headphones, this album as well. There's all these kind of things that are going on in different channels, and I think that is definitely Kenny Beats' influence as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I think it kind of adds a really kind of different energy to… to, again, a kind of rock band.

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Alternate Line: lends itself in that direction. It's quite an exciting record. When you messaged over the weekend to say.

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Alternate Line: this is the thing. I was like, right, this is the thing, I better listen to this. I just haven't had time. So this is the only track I've… this is the only track I've heard, but I have to say, it is a… it is a… an intriguing, an intriguing thing. And this track as well.

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Alternate Line: I think that lesson there must have been, like, my sixth or 7th or something. It's one of those ones that I think you warm to, and you warm to its grooves, and you kind of anticipate it and stuff.

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Alternate Line: It's got really… it's got really, like, clever ideas, and there's a bit of, sort of, there's a breakdown in the middle there with some, like, found sound and laughing and sort of studio chatter in the background as well. So maybe that… that's the sort of mistakes that, the producer was kind of… not mistakes necessarily, but some of that.

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Alternate Line: I think the producer was… producer was looking for, so…

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Alternate Line: Yeah, I'm gonna go and listen to the record this week, so I will update y'all.

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Alternate Line: Next time. Have a good one.

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Andrew's iPhone: I think everybody should check it out, absolutely. I was kind of… I wasn't quite sure which track to pull from the album. I think this is one of the more, kind of, accessible and standard tracks in terms of structure, and in terms of the catchiness of it as well. It's quite immediate.

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Andrew's iPhone: and as you say, you kind of appreciate more details as it goes on. There are some moments that are really quite wild, where Winter's, like, properly screaming, like the first tracks.

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Andrew's iPhone: called Trinidad, and he's, like, properly screaming, there's a bomb in my car! Right. It's properly wild, wild, and then there's other moments where he's… the…

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Andrew's iPhone: tracks at the one time, but it all of a sudden, like, kind of comes into focus, kind of, and there's a few moments like that on the record, but yeah, I just think it's a really exciting record, and…

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Alternate Line: they're… they become textural in the mix, they're not out front and center, they're just… they're just in the right, the right kind of place, so, so they just feel like part of the… part of the overall noise, the sort of hubbub of the track, perhaps I would put it that way.

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Andrew's iPhone: Hell yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, as you say, I think it's the drums on that track just kind of hold it all together.

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Alternate Line: Good. So, in any case, in case anyone cares about this kind of thing, I do use Pitchfork as a resource quite a bit, and it's got a 9… 9 out of 10 Best New Album stamp placed on it. So, if you generally trust Pitchfork, and I generally do, I would say that's probably quite a good…

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Alternate Line: quite a good thing. So… so yeah, would you… would you… would you recommend everyone to follow up on the record? Do you think this is… this is a good one?

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Andrew's iPhone: Definitely, yep. I best knew Andrew State.

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Alternate Line: Yes, you, Andrew. Yes. Just as, just as important, and just as widely read as Pitchfork. Right, okay, so, next track is, CMAT,

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Alternate Line: a favourite of, my lovely wife. She does enjoy a bit of CMAT, so I've heard a good bit in the, in the car. My impression of CMAT before I heard this track was of something a little bit more,

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Alternate Line: a little bit more somber and serious, and this one's a little bit more tongue-in-cheek and a little bit playful. I don't want to get… dive straight into my review here, but I actually think I like this… I like this a bit more. So,

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Alternate Line: So yeah, anything you… what… what's your prior… prior? Priya? Blue, what's your earlier experience with CMAT before you pluck this out?

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Andrew's iPhone: Well, she was somebody that I'd kind of seen… I'd seen the name quite a bit, and I'd seen that she'd done a track with John Grant a few years ago, and she'd been nominated for a few things, but somebody I'd never properly kind of delved into, and then I saw her Glastonbury set in the…

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Andrew's iPhone: Got it written down, how she introduced herself, let's see if I can find it. She announced herself as possessed of middle child syndrome, an amazing arse, and the best Irish country rock and roll band in the world.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, yeah, I really, really enjoyed watching her set on,

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Andrew's iPhone: On… on the TV, and then, I've just been kind of… I was kind of, like, following the… the…

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Andrew's iPhone: But I'm not sure I agree with you, or… unless it's… the first films are a little bit more serious, I think that she's always had a bit of a kind of twinkle in her eye.

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Alternate Line: I'll try and think of the track… I'll try and think of the track in particular that I'm thinking of.

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Alternate Line: That's led me to say that, so I can't remember the name of it right now, because I can't remember the name of anything, let's be honest. So, I'll see if I can work it out. Okay, so here we go. This is the Jamie Oliver Petrol Station, which is a great name for anything, basically, by CMA. Here we go.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: I was at the… me all over the petrol station.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Hungry the silent man Think of the New York skyline.

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Alternate Line: So, that is the slightly wacky, Jamie Oliver Petrol Station, by CMAT. It's a really interesting lyrical prospect that, is quite, it's quite clever, isn't it? Because she's sort of saying, here's a, here's a thing I dislike.

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Alternate Line: So yeah, I really… I'm really charmed by the lyrics of this, if nothing else. I'm charmed by a lot of it, actually, but the lyrics, particularly, did make me chuckle, particularly the first time I heard the first line. I thought… I thought the title… I saw the title on the Spotify playlist, and I thought, what's that… what's this gonna be about?

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Alternate Line: It just literally opens with, with Jamie Oliver Petrol Station. I was like, hmm, okay. So, yeah, do enjoy that. Do enjoy that.

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Andrew's iPhone: Good, yeah, I'm very charmed by her, and the song, and the album as well. Yeah, there's just something about that kind of irrational fear of seeing, like, seeing someone or something, and…

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Andrew's iPhone: just, like, using that to kind of explore her own feelings, I think, and her… how her mind works, and what she… what is she… you're kind of thinking, what are you really annoyed about? You're kind of, like, she's kind of, like, kind of looking at herself a little bit, I think. She's like, Kira, don't be a bitch, you know, she's… so Kira's her name.

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Andrew's iPhone: opinions, I guess. Yeah, well… I like all those kind of little asides as well, as you say, it's like, this would make no sense at all. I'm still not explaining myself very well at all. She just gets very, kind of,

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Alternate Line: So there's an interview with her, where she was asked, like, if she really hates Jamie Oliver, and she said, the point of the song, this is a quote, the point of the song is actually my annoyance and intolerance and hatred of other people, and how it serves absolutely no purpose in my life, and is really a bad instinct that I have. So, in a way, it's…

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Alternate Line: So it's quite a witty, like, witty rejoinder to her own… her own prejudice.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, so it's the song which is about the Celtic tiger, you know, the sort of damage that capitalism has done to modern Ireland.

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Alternate Line: If you think, listeners, that that sounds a bit more of a kind of serious topic than the Jamie Oliver petrol station. Well, it is, it is. But it's dealt with in the same kind of epic scope as this track, I would say.

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Andrew's iPhone: you know, your town… towns and kind of small towns and things like that. You can actually get a copy of this album where it's got… it's a deluxe version, where there's these kind of, like, chintzy instrumental versions of the singles.

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Andrew's iPhone: of the kind that you would hear played over the Tanoi in Shopping center. She's actually, like, recorded, like, free versions of those. There's something kind of very kind of kitschy about what she does, but it's also kind of funny, but just really well done as well. There's a real kind of attention to detail about everything that she does.

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Andrew's iPhone: the economic crash had on these kinds of communities and these kind of hubs that people kind of use to socialize, and the impact that that's had on, like, communities and that kind of thing as well. So, yeah, she's exploring these kind of difficult issues, but she's always got a sense of humor about it, and as you say, very, very charming.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, yeah, I just… I think she's just brilliant, actually. She's a really, really great pop star. There's that other track, Take a Sexy Picture of Me, which is… which was her kind of, response to people, you know, people kind of commenting on her weight and stuff like that, and comments, and she thought, well, I'm just gonna…

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Andrew's iPhone: make a song about that, and I'm gonna make it the catchiest thing that you've ever heard, so that you can't get out of your head, kind of thing. That's the way that she kind of goes about things.

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Alternate Line: She's got about 15 good ideas for every good idea that most artists have, you know, and that makes her really interesting. I think, I don't want to spoil her party or whatever, but I think, actually.

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Alternate Line: as an artist and as a lyricist, she might just be conceptually slightly too brainy for the mainstream. And she, like, you know, were she to break… thoroughly break through, it would probably have to be something that's a bit more…

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Alternate Line: But yeah, as it stands, like, this is a… this is a… I've heard a good bit of this record, and yeah, I think…

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Alternate Line: Musically, this track obviously is quite epic in scope, it's quite big and sweeping and anthemic and so on, but it's the kind of track where if you said to me after listening, what was your favourite

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Alternate Line: I don't know, like, nothing really… it's sort of so well, corralled. It's almost as if it just… it's…

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Alternate Line: It's just a sort of emotional splash behind the… behind the singing and the lyricism, and it's a kind of pushing, surging,

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Alternate Line: Obviously, the band here is backing someone who's a kind of idiosyncratic, you know, big personality pop star, so the job of the band is to get her front and center, and that is what it does.

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Alternate Line: I just, you know, even having listened to it a million times, I'm not even really sure what… There's drums, there's bass…

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Alternate Line: There's piano, fairly prominently. And beyond that, I couldn't really tell you a lot about what's on there.

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Andrew's iPhone: It pissed me a little bit in mind of that track that we listened to a few weeks ago, in contrast to the track, the Wolf Alice track, the White Horses track.

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Andrew's iPhone: that you were kind of really kind of praising for how kind of controlled and considered and measured it was, in terms of its pacing and, you know, everything was just… just right, kind of thing. Yeah. I think this has got a kind of similar, almost kind of motoric beat to it, rhythm to it, but it's a little bit more kind of rough and ready.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's almost as if the track's trying to get away from her, and she's trying to keep up with the track a little bit, and as she gets more animated, the track gets more animated.

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Andrew's iPhone: Laura Snapes, in her review for Pitchfork, she described it as building like a rickety piano being dragged behind a speeding truck.

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Andrew's iPhone: And I think that… I think that's a good way of putting it. I think that there's something… yeah, just the way the kind of… the songs kind of, like.

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Alternate Line: I mean, you were saying it feels like it feels less polished than the previous track, I actually think it feels more polished. I think there's something glossier about the production here, than on the Wild Horses track.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, that's my general kind of, see, see, this is, like…

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Alternate Line: distinct, musically for me. Do you know the only… I will say, the one musical takeaway, aside from the lyrics and the singing, the one musical takeaway for me is, you know the Oasis track, Hindu Times?

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Alternate Line: I think the piano riff on this and the piano riff on Hindu Times.

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Andrew's iPhone: Okay.

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Andrew's iPhone: Oh, that's interesting.

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Alternate Line: the same. It's pretty much the same. You couldn't tell which one I was doing there. I was doing them both.

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Alternate Line: So yeah, I think there's a similarity there, either intentional or otherwise.

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Alternate Line: Cool, right, so that's our second new track of the week. Third track is The New Eves.

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Alternate Line: Interesting group, the New Eves. This is the group from Brighton, right? Not getting that wrong, am I?

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Alternate Line: I think this is one of those doesn't-need-an-intro type of track, I think we'll just throw it straight on, and we'll pick it up from there. How's that sound to you?

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Andrew's iPhone: Yep, I like the sound of that, yep. See what you make of this, guys.

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Alternate Line: Yeah, here we go. So this is the new eaves from the record. The new Eve is rising.

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Andrew's iPhone: And the track is Highwayman.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: They're rotating!

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: The highwayman comes riding

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Now, let me tell you that I'm honest.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: And that time, I'm by the duty and a warm instead of beauty.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Let's go to Dagger! They tried to kill her!

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: To push the trigger! Choose them down when one knows who's new to get a gun.

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Alternate Line: There we have the New Eves, with Highwayman.

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Alternate Line: So, a couple English teachers here.

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Alternate Line: So, probably we should say… should we say the obvious stuff about this? So this is a sort of, modern, kind of feminist retelling of the classic…

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Alternate Line: poem that probably everyone has read in a high school somewhere at some point. The Highwayman by Alfred Noyes. When I was at school, I think.

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Alternate Line: sort of read it fortnightly, as far as I can recall. Did you read it at school, or no?

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Andrew's iPhone: I'm vaguely familiar with it, but it's never something that we studied.

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, it's one of those ones that's…

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Andrew's iPhone: Kind of in the air, almost.

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Alternate Line: It's in the area. So, yeah, so this is the New Eves, and I guess that, that band's name, I'm not always the most observant person, right? But they've got a retelling of The Highwayman, right? Which says man in it.

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Alternate Line: Right? And they're all girls, and then… or all women, and then, their name is the New Eves, and Eve is the character from Genesis.

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Alternate Line: This is, like, New Eves, so I think there's… I think there's something… something afoot.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yep, absolutely, yep. So, the album's called The New… so, it's called The Eve is Rising.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's the name of the first track as well, which is this kind of spoken word Truck.

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Andrew's iPhone: And,

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Andrew's iPhone: It's celebrating a messianic matriarch that's curious and free. She eats what she wants to, every fruit from every tree. The new Eve is rising from the pages of a burnt Bible, from the roadsides and the gutters, the marshes and the meadows.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so those… Very much that kind of, as you say, that kind of feminist…

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Andrew's iPhone: kind of outlook. It almost kind of reads like a manifesto, having that as the kind of the title and the kind of opening track as well. It reminds me quite a bit of, Savages, you know, that post-punk group, when they first kind of started, and their first album had

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Andrew's iPhone: A manifesto, literally written on the cover.

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Andrew's iPhone: It's kind of got a kind of similar vibe to that. But yeah, I think a really kind of interesting new group, this, a pagan punk four-piece.

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Andrew's iPhone: From Brighton, as you say. And they're signed to Transgressive Records as well, which, as we're kind of already getting into, I think that feels quite fitting.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes. So yeah, so they're kind of known for their theatricality. They've kind of talked about being influenced by improvised dance and experimental ballet.

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Andrew's iPhone: interest in traditional female crafts, say that in quotation marks, so things like, you know, like knitting and…

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Andrew's iPhone: Well, yeah, lots of different kind of arts and crafts things,

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Andrew's iPhone: On stage and on film, you often find them splattered with fake blood and draped in these all-white homemade costumes. The lead line in the Guardian review was, imagine if the Velvet Underground scored midsummer.

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Andrew's iPhone: So there's that kind of… that kind of pagan vibe to the whole thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, there's definitely something kind of velvets about their choice of instrumentation, you know, that kind of scything violin that's on this track and throughout the album. This kind of unsettlingly deep cello.

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Andrew's iPhone: As well as flute, that's kind of augmenting the usual kind of rock band setup of guitar, bass, and drums.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so… The Velvet Underground are the only group

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Andrew's iPhone: They'll actually concede to being an influence.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. So they kind of, they kind of want to be seen as their kind of own thing.

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Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, I think that they are an interesting, intriguing group, for sure.

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Andrew's iPhone: What did you make of the truck?

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Alternate Line: I love the garage-y vibe of it. It's been a while since I've heard something so lo-fi and punky as that I can't think of the last time we listened to something like that. It must have been something, but I can't think of it. And the whole premise is, like.

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Andrew's iPhone: super cool, isn't it? Like, it's just, like, it is…

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Alternate Line: the spirit of punk, isn't it really? It's just taking things and… and manipulating them and changing them and putting a new spin on things, so it is very, very cool. I think the whole thing… I've recently been watching,

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Alternate Line: the Netflix show, The House of Guinness, I don't know if you've seen any of that.

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Andrew's iPhone: I've not, yeah, I've not watched it. I don't know what it is, but I'm not seeing it.

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Alternate Line: It's pretty good. It's from the makers of Peaky Blinders, and you know, one of the sort of key selling points of Peaky Blinders was using… so it's showing you, like, 1920s Birmingham, or whatever, but having, like, modern music played over the top, and it made.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: And it really made, sort of.

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Alternate Line: you know, the old-fashioned, very prominent and fashionable. And when I was listening to this track, I was thinking, that type of show, this track would just drop into an action scene, that type of show absolutely perfectly.

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Alternate Line: at Lancome, also on House of Guinness as well, lots of… lots of Irish music on House of Guinness, so you probably quite enjoy… you'd enjoy hearing the show. I've quite enjoyed it so far, it's not been critically kind of panned, but anyway, back to the new eaves. So, so yeah, also…

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Alternate Line: it's not like a weekly occurrence, but it's, like, sort of monthly. You just… you'll just throw us a track from… from someone I've never heard of in Brighton.

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Alternate Line: And it's just always, like, really, really, like, cool and innovative, and that's been the case the whole time we've been doing this podcast, isn't it? There just always seems to be, like, an endless supply of

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: funny, witty musicians from… from Brighton. So I would say, all of that are my positives, and the only kind of negative,

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Alternate Line: I would say is that I do find this track a little bit…

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Alternate Line: Which is quite a cool thing, but it just hits that one thing and just sticks with it and doesn't really go anywhere else. So I would… I'd be quite keen to listen to the record and see if it's… if it's got a spread of stuff. Have you heard the full… full record, or…

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, I mean, the album definitely has a spread, like, there's some really kind of, again, kind of eccentric moments on the album. There's a track called Cow Song.

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Andrew's iPhone: Where they are,

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Andrew's iPhone: doing this kind of strange chant that apparently a woman in Sweden used to… this kind of, like, this calling that women from Sweden would use when they're trying to get the attention of cows.

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Andrew's iPhone: So they've got, like, kind of, like, going throughout, and yeah, there's some genuinely strange moments. Again, there's some kind of spoken word stuff, there's some more kind of theatrical stuff.

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Andrew's iPhone: I agree with you with this track, it is a bit, maybe, kind of one note, but I think that is just because it's the… it's that kind of punky energy that they're going for with this particular track.

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Andrew's iPhone: I mean, even with the kind of vocal delivery on this track, it's a little bit eccentric, you know, that kind of shakily fervent delivery that the vocalist does. I think that is maybe a bit of an acquired taste, but yeah, I do like the direct nature of this track.

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Andrew's iPhone: And yeah, there's a real kind of earthiness to this project. I don't know when we were talking before about The Last Dinner Party, who are another kind of all-female group. I was a little bit kind of suspicious of them, maybe that felt a little bit like cosplay, almost.

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Alternate Line: No, I hate to do that.

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Andrew's iPhone: I think there is, like, something genuinely thrilling

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Andrew's iPhone: About how odd and anachronistic this group are.

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Andrew's iPhone: That kind of makes them stand out, but I'll be intrigued to see what they do next.

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: Good stuff.

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Alternate Line: Cool. And I have to say, I ended on a kind of sour note, but I've very much enjoyed this track.

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Andrew's iPhone: Gotcha.

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Alternate Line: I don't want to just finish off blessing…

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Alternate Line: Yeah, but it's just this one thing. It's very cool. Right, so next we have,

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Alternate Line: Well, I have a physical problem, because I can't see the whole… the names of all the artists, and there's a few things going on here. Right, so I've got Blood Orange.

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Alternate Line: Tariq al-Sabir.

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Alternate Line: Caroline Polachek, Daniel Caesar, and the Duruti Column. Have I got everything right there? I think I got everything right there. Yeah, that sounds good. And the track is called, The Field, featuring…

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Alternate Line: duty column, Tariq Al-Sabir, Caroline Polachek, and Daniel Caesar. So thanks for the literal, naming of that there, guys, from the record called, Essex Honey.

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Alternate Line: Why are there so many artists on this track? What's going on? Help us out.

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Andrew's iPhone: Well, you want an answer to that?

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Alternate Line: Ehhhhhh Is there one? Is there a certain one?

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Andrew's iPhone: It's just kind of what Dev Hines does, who is Blood Orange. He likes to kind of bring in these people in. He's worked with a lot of people over the years, and…

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Andrew's iPhone: Now he's kind of calling in favours, I guess, on his actual… his actual record of his own.

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Alternate Line: I remember when… Caramel wasn't salted, and oranges weren't blood, they were just oranges.

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Alternate Line: But that's a story for another time. Okay, so let's have a wee listen to this track then, shall we? Here we go.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Hard to let you go See when I know why it's always great. It's always great, it's always Hard to let you go. And our journey home, or a journey

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: It's always great, it's always great.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: And the heat of a song…

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Alternate Line: Yeah, there we go. So it is the field.

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Alternate Line: I didn't need to know the kind of lyrical backstory here, which I wouldn't have been able to tell just from listening to the track, but I certainly googled it. But, which we'll get to in a minute, I'm sure, but just before we get to that, as I said, this already has a kind of, like, has a strong kind of emotional pull on me,

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Alternate Line: Something about the blend of elements here, something about the vocals, even something about the skittish drumbeat, just kind of…

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Alternate Line: sort of touches me in a way. Did you… did you have an emotional reaction to this as well, or… or are you just dead inside? I don't know.

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Andrew's iPhone: No, absolutely. Yeah, I feel exactly the same way. There's just something kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: There's just hangs of nostalgia within.

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Andrew's iPhone: This track, and within the album as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: Something really kind of airy, wistful, autumnal, and gorgeous about,

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Andrew's iPhone: The, kind of, the use of acoustic and traditional instrumentation, as well as the kind of dance beats as well, which, again, yeah, there's just kind of, like, triggers of…

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Andrew's iPhone: Of sounds of the past, and there's a kind of strong sample that's used.

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Andrew's iPhone: in this track as well, even though it's not a song that I was particularly familiar with before, there's just something about the use of that, and bringing it into a new context.

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Andrew's iPhone: just creates this kind of, as I say, this kind of wistfulness. The samples they could see are really beautiful.

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Alternate Line: That's what the sample is, isn't it?

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Andrew's iPhone: And… The tune…

473
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Andrew's iPhone: that's played on the acoustic guitars from the duty column track, but it's the vocal line, the hard to let you go.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's the main, the main thing that's from that track, I believe.

475
01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:12.429
Andrew's iPhone: It's… yeah. But it's beautifully used in the track, and…

476
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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, just, just really, really enjoy it, and…

477
01:04:17.230 --> 01:04:22.819
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, there's something… really kind of… he's a really kind of sympathetic musician and collaborator.

478
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:33.039
Andrew's iPhone: Dev Hines, who is Blood Orange. Everything's kind of in service of the idea and the overall atmosphere. He's very kind of interested in atmosphere and

479
01:04:33.490 --> 01:04:44.879
Andrew's iPhone: even, like, the album, it's all about creating these kind of fleeting moments. There's bits, and it's all about… there is that kind of use of memory within the music. There's a kind of pining for the past.

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Andrew's iPhone: That I think is particularly strong on this album. So this album was created during a period of grief and reflection.

481
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Andrew's iPhone: On his upbringing in Essex.

482
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Andrew's iPhone: And he was kind of thinking back about how music had inspired and healed him during that time in his life.

483
01:05:01.520 --> 01:05:05.119
Andrew's iPhone: So, hence the title, Essex Honey.

484
01:05:05.620 --> 01:05:08.429
Andrew's iPhone: And, yeah, he's kind of…

485
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Andrew's iPhone: He says he aims to process these emotions amid a cultural moment marked by collective grief and loss, seeking resolution and acceptance.

486
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Andrew's iPhone: M…

487
01:05:18.500 --> 01:05:23.289
Andrew's iPhone: And he's kind of nodding to the artist that played a big part in his life at the time.

488
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:29.869
Andrew's iPhone: when he was growing up, so people like Elliot Smith, The Replacements, the duty column, I assume, must have had

489
01:05:30.120 --> 01:05:37.610
Andrew's iPhone: an impact on them as well. Ben Watt from Everything But the Girl, one of his tracks is used as well, really well.

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Andrew's iPhone: On one of the tracks as well. So yeah, so there's a kind of harken back to that kind of early 80s post-punk and indie, where everything was a little bit kind of, yeah, kind of introspective, but also quite experimental. It's got a really kind of distinct Britishness about a lot of the sounds that he's using.

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Andrew's iPhone: And, yeah, I just, just really enjoy it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. What's the actual, what's the actual story about this track? I don't think I'd actually read that. Was there anything in particular about this track?

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Alternate Line: I think I'm… I think I'm… I've been reading more about the record as a whole, but in his Guardian interview, it was talking about the death of his mum, and I think this track…

494
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Alternate Line: I think I just made the connection then between this track and that, and I think the lyrics do lend themselves to that. So there's lyrics like, hard to let you go.

495
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Alternate Line: to you when I know why it's always grey, hard to let you go. Healthy as we pray for a journey home, that sort of stuff, so it does

496
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Alternate Line: Maybe I'm making the connection as it actually isn't there, but it feels… it feels like that, so,

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: I don't know, it just… it made me feel quite melancholy. Anyway, there's an interesting thing as well, I don't think I've been at my technical… I don't really talk about technical stuff all that much this week, but, it's quite brave, I think, to literally come to complete silence in a track, in an actual silence, not just a resting, you know, sometimes you have a pause in a song, but you can hear, like, cymbals sizzling down, or, you know.

499
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Alternate Line: Whatever. You can hear things kind of slowing, and then this track bursts back into life. This actually comes to a complete silence.

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Andrew's iPhone: Right.

501
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Alternate Line: To the point where on your first or second listen, you're like.

502
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Alternate Line: Is that it finished? And it… and then it comes back in with, hard to let you go.

503
01:07:24.540 --> 01:07:40.079
Alternate Line: So I think this is… I think this is a lovely thing. I have to say, I was absolutely blown away when I read on… just on Spotify, on the Blood Orange Spotify page, that Heinz started out as a teenage punk in the UK band Test Icicles.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yes.

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01:07:40.770 --> 01:07:48.709
Alternate Line: Now, Test Icicles, I can't imagine, are a band that, like, a lot of folk are familiar with, but I'm pretty sure

506
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Alternate Line: I picked up their single, Boa vs. Python. Back when I was working for the Strathleigh Telegraph, back when I was

507
01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:05.049
Alternate Line: I think the timing lines up, and I just had it on CD, and I'm pretty sure they sent us a promo copy,

508
01:08:05.110 --> 01:08:18.230
Alternate Line: Probably not him directly, but anyway, record label ever sent us out a promo copy. Just one of those ones where it's just the little plastic, flimsy plastic sleeve, and it was almost like a hand-drawn, like, cover.

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Alternate Line: And yeah, actually, I only read that during listening to that track there, and it's kind of warped my brain a little bit, because that's… one, that was a really bloody long time ago, I mean, that's, like.

510
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Alternate Line: I mean, it's 20…

511
01:08:32.770 --> 01:08:41.380
Alternate Line: 23 years ago or something like that, and that music and this music are… I drew that pose.

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Alternate Line: So yeah, it's just… it's kind of fun, it's kind of fun. I sort of understand the, god, that takes us back to the article at the start of the thing, actually. I sort of understand that when… if he's roughly the same age as me, must be approximately the same age as me, I sort of understand the motivation to make music like that 23 years ago, and music like this now.

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Andrew's iPhone: That's appropriate.

514
01:09:01.700 --> 01:09:05.600
Alternate Line: I really do get that. So yeah. Lovely.

515
01:09:05.740 --> 01:09:06.379
Alternate Line: Lovely stuff.

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Andrew's iPhone: No, totally. Yeah, I mean, he's been on a real journey, so he was… he started, as you say, test icicles, then he was lightspeed champion for quite a few records.

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Alternate Line: Yeah.

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Andrew's iPhone: And then he's done the kind of Blood Orange thing, as well as being a writer and producer for all number of acts, you know, Solange, and FK Twigs, and Kylie, and Mariah Carey, all sorts of people. So, but yeah, that's why he's able to kind of call on

519
01:09:29.779 --> 01:09:33.599
Andrew's iPhone: Some of the people that are on this record, so Caroline Polachek, Lorde.

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Andrew's iPhone: Mabby Fratti, who's a really, kind of, interesting avant-pop cellist who I'm a bit obsessed with at the moment. She's got an amazing project called Titanic out.

521
01:09:45.630 --> 01:09:49.629
Alternate Line: Only you, only you are obsessed with avant-garde cellists, Andrew.

522
01:09:49.630 --> 01:09:50.790
Andrew's iPhone: From Guatemala?

523
01:09:51.550 --> 01:09:56.510
Andrew's iPhone: No, she's class, she's class.

524
01:09:57.030 --> 01:10:04.949
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, but he's calling in all the favours. And this is a really, really gorgeous record.

525
01:10:05.250 --> 01:10:08.709
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, it's kind of in that kind of alternative R&B

526
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Andrew's iPhone: Lane, you know, those records that I've kind of talked about, by, you know, Nourished by Time or Dijon.

527
01:10:16.550 --> 01:10:19.519
Andrew's iPhone: But this is more,

528
01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:23.989
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, just very, kind of, sympathetic, and more, kind of, acoustic-based, and…

529
01:10:24.210 --> 01:10:31.730
Andrew's iPhone: you know, very kind of emotional as well. Yeah. And yeah, it's a really, really beautiful album, this. Love it.

530
01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:46.069
Alternate Line: Good. Well, top recommendation, from Andrew. Best new Andrew, again. Again, again. Okay. So, right, let's bring us on to track, 5.

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Alternate Line: Track 5 is called How I Became a Madman.

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Alternate Line: I don't think you're allowed to say Mad Men anymore, are you? I don't think that's… I think that's been canceled or something, I don't really know. Can you tell us everyone who's on this track? It's only two this time, so that's good.

533
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Andrew's iPhone: I've only got Kamasi Washington, I know Kamasi's on it.

534
01:11:07.860 --> 01:11:08.340
Alternate Line: And…

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Andrew's iPhone: Amitaf Ra. Amitafra is, is his wife. I just, I actually learned that today.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. So, yeah, Ami Taffra is the kind of lead artist, so she is a North African LA-based singer-songwriter.

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Andrew's iPhone: Very nice. And, yeah, she landed a deal with Brainfeeder, who, released Kamasi's modern jazz classic, The Epic, as well as records by Fundercat and Flying Lotus, so it's kind of in that kind of maximalist

538
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Andrew's iPhone: Jazz vein that I know you love so much.

539
01:11:41.230 --> 01:11:42.570
Alternate Line: Well, here we go.

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Andrew's iPhone: Here we go.

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Alternate Line: How I Became a Madman, and also the track is called How I Became a Madman. Here we go.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Oh, my future

543
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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Amen!

544
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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Oh my god!

545
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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Amen!

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01:13:56.450 --> 01:14:01.889
Audio shared by Alternate Line: I'm a… The fiber.

547
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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Amen!

548
01:14:14.320 --> 01:14:17.200
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Freedom!

549
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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Safety be nice.

550
01:14:37.450 --> 01:14:44.030
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Understanding the… Played something in…

551
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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Amen!

552
01:16:41.350 --> 01:16:42.219
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Blessed brothers!

553
01:16:50.500 --> 01:16:52.220
Audio shared by Alternate Line: We do cry.

554
01:16:56.250 --> 01:17:02.340
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Even if we feel jealous fail

555
01:17:29.670 --> 01:17:30.590
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Amen!

556
01:17:44.620 --> 01:17:45.600
Audio shared by Alternate Line: U.S.

557
01:18:02.770 --> 01:18:03.550
Audio shared by Alternate Line: U.S.

558
01:18:20.980 --> 01:18:22.049
Audio shared by Alternate Line: You're right.

559
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Audio shared by Alternate Line: So.

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Alternate Line: There is How I Became a Madman.

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01:18:36.290 --> 01:18:40.250
Alternate Line: by Ami Taffra… And,

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Alternate Line: where him indoors Kamasi Washington. I will admit, Andrew, I will admit, right, that…

563
01:18:50.070 --> 01:19:02.270
Alternate Line: Conceptually, I don't like this, right? Don't like it. Don't trust it, you know, I don't like it, feels weird, skunky, saxophone, wailing, thing.

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Alternate Line: But, I did feel like,

565
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Alternate Line: during that there, I do get carried off on some sort of, like, wave, and I'm just kind of shaking my limbs and nodding my head. I don't have a clue what it's about, and I feel… I always say this, but I feel so ill-equipped to even talk about what.

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Andrew's iPhone: Which is us.

567
01:19:22.710 --> 01:19:25.849
Alternate Line: to, but it's,

568
01:19:25.980 --> 01:19:32.189
Alternate Line: Yeah, it's not something I'm going to be listening to every day, but I get… I definitely get the appeal of a track like that. I do get it.

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Alternate Line: I do get it.

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Andrew's iPhone: Good, yeah, I mean, yeah, I… when I first heard this track, I was really kind of taken with it, you know, having been quite a…

571
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Andrew's iPhone: kind of early adopter of Cassie Washington, just kind of recognized a lot of the things that I really like about his music in this track. You know, I was very much kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: in the pocket for, the Epic, which I mentioned, which was his debut, his triple album, so kind of, yeah, fittingly named, and much of the follow-up having an earth as well, so it is that kind of very kind of maximalist…

573
01:20:07.340 --> 01:20:10.130
Alternate Line: Yeah. Thing that he does, and kind of combining…

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Andrew's iPhone: jazz…

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Andrew's iPhone: But with, kind of, modern elements, and elements that, kind of, make it a little bit more, maybe, more palatable for people that aren't necessarily jazz heads, you know, like, kind of like things that… there's, like, funk in there, and…

576
01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:24.859
Andrew's iPhone: Some psychedelic music.

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01:20:24.860 --> 01:20:25.940
Alternate Line: Any melodies of that?

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Andrew's iPhone: sometimes.

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Andrew's iPhone: Actually, my favourite thing that he's done, it was an EP called Harmony of Difference, which was, for him, kind of relatively powered back. Like, it was an EP, I think it was still about, like, 40 minutes long or something, even though it was, like, an EP, but the idea with that was that it had, like, 5 shortest tracks.

580
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Andrew's iPhone: And then a final sixth track, which incorporated

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Andrew's iPhone: The five musical ideas from those first 5 tracks.

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Alternate Line: I kind of brought them all together.

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Andrew's iPhone: There's this track called The Truth, Truth, and it's just an absolutely stunning piece of music. I mean, that's, like, easily my kind of favourite thing that he's done. I think more recently, his stuff has got a little bit too…

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Andrew's iPhone: Kind of… you're kind of busy, and… congested and…

585
01:21:16.100 --> 01:21:24.149
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, maybe just a bit too much going on, and it just becomes a little bit exhausting over time. There's always kind of long records that he's done. I mean, this album…

586
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Andrew's iPhone: Is an hour and change, and it kind of starts at that kind of level of intensity, and just kind of keeps going.

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Alternate Line: Holds at the.

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Andrew's iPhone: For that, so, I mean, it's, like, from track to track, there are some undeniably grand and impressive peaks, but it does become a little bit overbearing at times.

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Andrew's iPhone: And even some of the kind of more mellow moments on this album are totally brimming with instrumentation and musical vamps and extravagant vocals.

590
01:21:49.570 --> 01:21:55.789
Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, I think… I do really like this track. I've coded on it a little bit since I first heard it.

591
01:21:56.130 --> 01:22:02.200
Andrew's iPhone: But I just, I really like it, and I really enjoy the kind of elements of jazz and funk and Afrofuturism that are in there.

592
01:22:02.400 --> 01:22:09.530
Andrew's iPhone: a little bit of kind of acid rock in those guitars, and… and then when capacity comes in, it does have that kind of impact as well.

593
01:22:09.990 --> 01:22:16.160
Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so I do really like this track, and there's a little bit more of a song in there.

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01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:20.530
Andrew's iPhone: Compared to some of Washington's more recent stuff as well.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah. So, yeah, I think, I think, yeah, I, I do like it.

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Alternate Line: It's fun. I'm hearing cautious praise there. I'm hearing,

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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Alternate Line: I think, you know, it's not good, generally, I don't think, to compare two unlike things, but I think what I quite liked about the previous track, the Blood Orange track, was its sort of subtle, minimalist approach, its focus on

599
01:22:45.790 --> 01:22:51.410
Alternate Line: you know… s… Fewer textures, focused on more.

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Alternate Line: One at a time, and sort of gentle, but subtle, you know, and then you've got a very maximalist approach from the track there, How I Became a Madman.

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Alternate Line: Which is… which is what it is. I mean, let's… let's not, you know, they're two very different things, so it's ridiculous to compare them, but I would just say I find myself very drawn emotionally to the Blood Orange Show.

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Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

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01:23:16.340 --> 01:23:22.690
Alternate Line: And I feel like, something so wild and frenetic as that jazzy track, I just…

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01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:37.099
Alternate Line: It feels… it's also very long as well. It's not… it's not like a kind of snappy thing. So where it's trying to take you, it tries to take you there and hold you there for quite a long time without much of a let-up. It's fairly frenetic.

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Alternate Line: For its 6 minutes and 53 seconds.

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01:23:41.140 --> 01:23:47.080
Alternate Line: And yeah… I know, I love the tone of Kamasi's, saxophone on here as well.

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01:23:47.490 --> 01:23:49.739
Alternate Line: It's a very, like,

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Alternate Line: I was gonna say brassy, I mean, what's the point in saying that? But it does have a very, like, sort of,

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01:23:56.280 --> 01:24:04.150
Alternate Line: Crunchy, you know… It's got a… it's got a treble-y kind of sound to it as well.

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01:24:04.240 --> 01:24:16.210
Alternate Line: But I just wish he played fewer notes. I just… I just do. I just, like, I can't… there's no way I can get around it, you know? I just wish it was a simpler, you know, melody that you can kind of hook yourself onto and enjoy.

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Alternate Line: But that's… that's me. I'm the wrong person to review this, I always say that, I always say that. So, we should listen to what Andrew says, which is, it's alright. That's what he… that's what Andrew said, I think. I was just wondering, have you got more to say about this track? Sorry, before I move on.

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Andrew's iPhone: I think it'd be fair to talk about Amit Taffra a little bit more, because that is her project. Go for it. So, yeah, I do think she has a good vocalist.

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01:24:43.820 --> 01:24:54.070
Andrew's iPhone: She's talked about this album… so the album is called, The Prophet and the Madman, and it's inspired by the work of a Lebanese-American author called Kahil…

614
01:24:54.530 --> 01:24:55.650
Andrew's iPhone: Gibron?

615
01:24:55.770 --> 01:25:00.909
Andrew's iPhone: Who wrote both The Prophet in 1923 and The Madman in 1918.

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01:25:01.330 --> 01:25:03.289
Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so she's kind of…

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01:25:03.440 --> 01:25:09.140
Andrew's iPhone: Inspired by the fables that are in his books, and she's talked about it.

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01:25:09.400 --> 01:25:14.480
Andrew's iPhone: Providing a kind of roadmap to navigate life while striving for the divine.

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Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, so she's kind of using these texts from the kind of early 20th century to explore

620
01:25:21.710 --> 01:25:36.380
Andrew's iPhone: kind of more, kind of, transcendent ideas, as well as kind of looking at… using… she talks about, kind of, a mask to find her freedom. Kind of using that to explore how it feels to be a woman of African descent in America today.

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Andrew's iPhone: So that's some of the, kind of, like, the ideas behind the record. And she has a really, kind of, strong vocalist.

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Andrew's iPhone: And it does kind of cut through these quite dense, bustling backings, so I think she does, she does kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: deserve, you know, this kind of moment in the limelight. And I think if you are into that kind of maximalist jazz thing, then I think you will find much to enjoy here. I mean, certainly when I first got into Kamasi, I think it was the kind of epicness that I was drawn to, having kind of liked that in a lot of my kind of…

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Andrew's iPhone: my alternative music and my, you know, my rock music, that was something that kind of appealed. It's not necessarily what I look for in my jazz anymore. I do find it quite exhausting after a while. But if you are in the kind of the market for this, then this is a really, really good project.

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Andrew's iPhone: I would say. It's got… it's got that kind of… that stamp of quality to it. A lot of the, kind of, players that play in Kamasi Washington's records are all over this record, so… so yeah, it does… it is… it is very well put together, if a little bit exhausting at times.

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Alternate Line: Little bit tired. Yes, okay, well, that's fine, that's fine. Great, so those are… there's our five,

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Alternate Line: new stroke, newish tracks from Geese, from CMAT, from the New Eves, from Blood Orange, et al, and Amitafra and Kamasia, Washington. And I just… before we, we're back, right? We're back, we're here, we're making podcasts, and before we move into the final segment of the, show today.

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Alternate Line: I realized that in this sort of gap of time, some of the things that we would have probably talked about, we… we haven't talked about because we haven't been… we haven't been on the podcast. So there's a couple of things that I wanted to mention to you that I've been…

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Alternate Line: quite enjoying. Not for a big, long discussion or whatever, just a quick, if you just give me a quick,

630
01:27:31.790 --> 01:27:45.440
Alternate Line: A quick response to these things, if you have no response, that is also fine. I will accept that. Okay, so, one thing is I've been listening to, because I've been forced to the new Taylor Swift album.

631
01:27:45.480 --> 01:27:57.499
Alternate Line: Which I haven't detested as much as I thought that I might. Zoe had a… my wife had a Taylor Swift listening party, as you know, they're big fans.

632
01:27:57.500 --> 01:27:57.840
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, yeah.

633
01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:04.910
Alternate Line: And, they were around watching Taylor on Graham Norton as well. And, there's a track on the record called Opal Light, have you heard it?

634
01:28:06.040 --> 01:28:08.470
Andrew's iPhone: I haven't actually heard that track, no.

635
01:28:08.470 --> 01:28:11.240
Alternate Line: Yeah, I think it's just an album track, but it's…

636
01:28:11.240 --> 01:28:11.700
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

637
01:28:11.700 --> 01:28:17.939
Alternate Line: It's very good, it's very breezy and light, and it's a sort of love song, and it's full of, kind of,

638
01:28:18.060 --> 01:28:21.110
Alternate Line: Fun, it's got a good hook, so,

639
01:28:21.430 --> 01:28:34.380
Alternate Line: So yeah, that actually… you know, that last… remember we had… when we listened to Taylor Swift on the podcast last time? I was just like, oh god, this Tortured Poet Society, I hate it, like, I absolutely can't stand it. But I think there's more to like on this record.

640
01:28:34.490 --> 01:28:35.670
Alternate Line: So that's point one.

641
01:28:36.380 --> 01:28:37.160
Andrew's iPhone: Okay.

642
01:28:37.160 --> 01:28:39.119
Alternate Line: You had, you had any experience over there?

643
01:28:39.220 --> 01:28:46.369
Andrew's iPhone: I've just kind of dipped in and out of that record. I'd listened to the opening track, The Fate of a Failure?

644
01:28:46.370 --> 01:28:48.359
Alternate Line: I hated that, I should have to say.

645
01:28:48.360 --> 01:28:55.430
Andrew's iPhone: I don't mind that one. I really didn't like, Father Figure, so, like.

646
01:28:55.430 --> 01:28:56.340
Alternate Line: The George Michaelie one.

647
01:28:56.340 --> 01:29:00.959
Andrew's iPhone: Sample George at your… at your peril, kind of thing. Andrew hates that.

648
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:01.410
Alternate Line: so…

649
01:29:01.410 --> 01:29:04.679
Andrew's iPhone: So, yeah, I didn't like that track, and then just.

650
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:07.810
Alternate Line: Wham! Andrew slams George Michael's, sample.

651
01:29:07.810 --> 01:29:14.059
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, and then just kind of reading a lot of the lyrics, I don't… it doesn't strike me as…

652
01:29:14.330 --> 01:29:16.290
Andrew's iPhone: A particularly strong record for her.

653
01:29:16.290 --> 01:29:19.100
Alternate Line: Oh, no, some dreadful, some dreadful lies. It can only be…

654
01:29:19.100 --> 01:29:21.260
Andrew's iPhone: Talking about the magic wand and the…

655
01:29:21.400 --> 01:29:27.819
Alternate Line: Oh, yeah, the double entendres, or it's really just single entendres, yeah. But there's a track where she says,

656
01:29:28.190 --> 01:29:31.940
Alternate Line: Did you get old boss too close to the sun?

657
01:29:31.940 --> 01:29:32.370
Andrew's iPhone: son.

658
01:29:32.370 --> 01:29:41.659
Alternate Line: So it's not an unqualified success, let's put it that way. But, but yeah, there's some moments that I think are actually quite, quite decent.

659
01:29:41.660 --> 01:29:42.389
Andrew's iPhone: Okay.

660
01:29:42.830 --> 01:29:47.130
Andrew's iPhone: Something about the, that, that, that, film that she's…

661
01:29:47.430 --> 01:29:59.520
Andrew's iPhone: managed to get our fans to go out to see, and it's basically just, like, a video… like, one video from that lead single, and just making of segments, and her talking at the camera and stuff. Yeah, it seems like it's just total cash in.

662
01:30:00.100 --> 01:30:00.810
Alternate Line: Wouldn't that be…

663
01:30:00.810 --> 01:30:03.499
Andrew's iPhone: There's, like, a little bit of a laziness about the whole thing, really.

664
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Alternate Line: on that very… I mean, it was recorded, apparently during the ERIS tour, and she was, like, flying into and out of Sweden, you know, murdering the planet to make this record. But, the, on the money-making aspect of things, she was on the Graham Norton Show, and,

665
01:30:21.270 --> 01:30:28.909
Alternate Line: two things struck me as really interesting. One was she was describing getting the rights back to her, like, original.

666
01:30:28.910 --> 01:30:33.069
Andrew's iPhone: recording, so, you know, the tailor's version thing? Yeah, yeah.

667
01:30:33.080 --> 01:30:43.700
Alternate Line: And, she's almost describing it as some, like, epic feminist, you know, journey that she'd been through. And in reality, what it is, is it's a very rich person.

668
01:30:43.700 --> 01:30:55.569
Alternate Line: doing a very rich person thing. There are very, very, very few artists, even massive ones, who own the rights to their own work in a way that she does now.

669
01:30:55.570 --> 01:31:03.829
Alternate Line: I think if you asked Maka, would you like to own the rights to all your own work? I think he would have said for quite a long time, yes, I would. So,

670
01:31:04.190 --> 01:31:21.289
Alternate Line: So, yeah. She also said something like, you know, so I had to… I basically had to do the eras tour, and be so epic, and sell so many tickets, so that I could afford to buy my own… my own stuff back. And, Zoe was saying to me the next day, she was like, it was almost as if she wanted us to sort of sympathise that she had to save up for something.

671
01:31:21.290 --> 01:31:22.679
Andrew's iPhone: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

672
01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:27.610
Alternate Line: I don't feel that sympathetic with it. Anyway, that's enough. I wanted to just…

673
01:31:28.210 --> 01:31:30.210
Alternate Line: Blop, Taylor Swift, and I've talked about it.

674
01:31:30.210 --> 01:31:37.099
Andrew's iPhone: No, it's fine. I enjoyed, I'd seen a clip of Luis Capitalde, like, coming on…

675
01:31:37.100 --> 01:31:37.780
Alternate Line: Mental.

676
01:31:38.020 --> 01:31:45.199
Andrew's iPhone: And he was, like, talking about, he said, I've got this EP coming up, well, I wasn't supposed to say, oh, fuck it, yeah, I've got an EP coming up.

677
01:31:45.200 --> 01:31:45.580
Alternate Line: Yeah.

678
01:31:45.580 --> 01:31:53.230
Andrew's iPhone: And you could just see her face drop, she's just like, what? This is how you're announcing a new project? Like, no… no kind of big, massive rollout, or no.

679
01:31:53.230 --> 01:32:01.919
Alternate Line: Well, I suspected that the reason why he wasn't supposed to mention it was because it was the day of her album release, and he probably wasn't supposed to be promoting his own stuff at the same time.

680
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:03.360
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah.

681
01:32:03.360 --> 01:32:14.120
Alternate Line: But he, she sort of… she did, during the… during that segment, she did kind of encourage him to talk about it, so I don't think it was, maybe so sinister as I'm perhaps making out.

682
01:32:14.120 --> 01:32:15.590
Andrew's iPhone: So yeah, development approach.

683
01:32:15.590 --> 01:32:33.720
Alternate Line: Yes, a different approach. So that was one thing. By the way, his new song, also godawful, like, I find him genuinely unlistenable. I would say he's got a few songs that I think, it's alright. But, and I know he's got, like, a really heartfelt and genuine positive backstory, so I don't mean to comment on that, I just think his music's…

684
01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:37.129
Andrew's iPhone: Such a disconnect between his personality and his music.

685
01:32:37.130 --> 01:32:53.369
Alternate Line: Yeah, where's the… I find that so weird! That's the weirdest thing about him, is he's such a likeable, like, relatable Scottish guy, and you know, and then he has all the sort of funny visuals and stuff when he comes on stage, and then it's just this modeling pish.

686
01:32:53.370 --> 01:32:53.819
Andrew's iPhone: the whole thing.

687
01:32:53.820 --> 01:32:56.089
Alternate Line: I just can't stand it.

688
01:32:56.390 --> 01:33:10.119
Alternate Line: Okay, second thing that's been, occupying my musical thoughts, we're going long form this week, hope your battery's charged. We, as, Queens of the Stone Age have been, had released a record, which we didn't talk about, I don't know why.

689
01:33:10.450 --> 01:33:27.870
Alternate Line: We must have just not been on at that particular moment, called Alive in the Catacombs, and it's only 6 tracks long. I guess it's sort of more of an EP than a full album, recorded in the Catacombs in Paris, and have you listened to it, or no?

690
01:33:29.380 --> 01:33:34.419
Andrew's iPhone: I've watched interviews with him about it, but I've not really listened to the whole thing yet.

691
01:33:34.650 --> 01:33:43.779
Alternate Line: It's a weird… it's a weird one. I would say, like, I am definitely the target market for it, as your big, Queens of the Stone Age guy. You're sort of…

692
01:33:44.120 --> 01:33:46.050
Alternate Line: you know…

693
01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:58.920
Alternate Line: you know, Child of Summer, Queens of the Storange album, who's not there for… not there all the time, or someone who doesn't care about them, will not… will not be loving this record. It's very much in the pocket of, you have to be a big fan.

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01:33:58.920 --> 01:33:59.610
Andrew's iPhone: Yay.

695
01:33:59.610 --> 01:34:13.439
Alternate Line: But they're doing a Catacombs Tour, which is on right now, and they've debuted two new songs, the Catacombs Tour. So the, the, the Queens of the Stone Age read it. It's frothing as we speak.

696
01:34:13.440 --> 01:34:20.259
Alternate Line: And the prospect of a new record. So, I'm just gonna say, please, Andrew, if there's a new Queens of Stony's record.

697
01:34:20.330 --> 01:34:25.429
Alternate Line: Please, can we just review the whole record? Because that's what I feel like I should have done last time, but I never thought of it.

698
01:34:26.350 --> 01:34:28.690
Alternate Line: Let's do- let's review the whole record, if that happens.

699
01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:31.260
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, can do that.

700
01:34:31.260 --> 01:34:36.919
Alternate Line: I'll try and make you commit to that on tape, and then I'll sort of a hostage situation.

701
01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:52.190
Andrew's iPhone: I liked… I liked him when he was talking about that. He was… he was talking about… in that kind of very kind of Josh Hormey way, he was kind of talking about how all the souls in that cave were kind of, like, helping him recover the injury and all that kind of thing.

702
01:34:52.190 --> 01:34:52.730
Alternate Line: Yeah, yeah.

703
01:34:53.240 --> 01:34:59.610
Andrew's iPhone: Being there, wasn't he? Or, like, in between takes, he was kind of… because he couldn't actually physically get up all the stairs and…

704
01:34:59.610 --> 01:34:59.930
Alternate Line: Yeah.

705
01:34:59.930 --> 01:35:00.580
Andrew's iPhone: swing.

706
01:35:01.060 --> 01:35:01.850
Andrew's iPhone: That was okay.

707
01:35:01.850 --> 01:35:02.580
Alternate Line: That's crazy.

708
01:35:02.580 --> 01:35:04.310
Andrew's iPhone: He deformance and stuff, so it's pretty cool.

709
01:35:04.710 --> 01:35:23.019
Alternate Line: Because just before, in Times New Roman as well, he'd had, a kind of cancer scare, I believe, and obviously had other personal things going on, whatever. And he's had, obviously, more significant health stuff, so I don't know if that's kind of… he's been out on the old interview trail and stuff, he's been on lots of things, he's been on, like, that,

710
01:35:23.190 --> 01:35:31.040
Alternate Line: that, cooking podcast, with Angela Harkness, is that her name? And,

711
01:35:31.490 --> 01:35:37.880
Alternate Line: That young, and Grimmy, that, that… have you seen that show? It's a popular YouTube podcast.

712
01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:38.710
Andrew's iPhone: Right.

713
01:35:38.990 --> 01:35:53.220
Alternate Line: I'll send you, I'll send you the link over, he's on that, he's good, and then he's on some big American comedy podcasts and stuff as well, so he's getting around, doing some stuff, so I wonder if, the sort of… the illness and injury has kind of, sort of prompted him into… into high gear.

714
01:35:53.220 --> 01:36:06.589
Alternate Line: What's really interesting as well is, again, this is… this is for the Queens of Stone Age nerves, but each of the members of the Queens of the Stone Age all have side projects and all do… do other things, pretty much apart from… apart from Joshua, and that's… that's a very,

715
01:36:06.850 --> 01:36:21.609
Alternate Line: that's a long-term thing of Queens of Stone Anges, they all… it's a sort of ragtag bunch of guys from the Desert Sessions. You're joining, you're joining, you're leaving, that's okay, we keep going. But this lineup now has been the lineup for a very long time.

716
01:36:21.610 --> 01:36:30.709
Alternate Line: it was over a decade they've been together. And on the Catacombs Tour, they've got other band members singing songs and stuff, and doing a bit more.

717
01:36:30.710 --> 01:36:34.729
Alternate Line: Yeah, it is cool. So, Mikey Shoes, the bass player, he sings,

718
01:36:34.810 --> 01:36:48.880
Alternate Line: he's singing, Autopilot from Rated R, which is a great, a great track. Well, they don't really play that anymore, because Lanigan's not there, and Nick Oliveiri's not there, so… So yeah, anyway, so that was point two.

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01:36:49.650 --> 01:37:03.490
Alternate Line: Point 3. Very late last week, friends opod, my mates Greg and Martin, Greg's wife works at the Citizens theater, and he said, do you want to come and see the opening

720
01:37:03.690 --> 01:37:16.360
Alternate Line: play, at the reopened sets. It's just coming to its close. Got some tickets, sure to come. So it was a really last-minute thing, went out on Friday, and we saw Small Acts of Love.

721
01:37:16.540 --> 01:37:20.669
Alternate Line: And the reason this is interesting is because it features the music of Ricky Ross.

722
01:37:20.940 --> 01:37:28.339
Alternate Line: And, that has live music on stage. And it was only afterwards, I was chatting about it with someone, and they said, well, it's a musical!

723
01:37:28.510 --> 01:37:42.790
Alternate Line: And it actually hadn't occurred to me that, yes, it pretty much is a musical, because it's obviously a play, but it prominently features music and the actors singing. And the topic… have you heard about this at all? Am I going to surprise you with this? I probably am.

724
01:37:44.580 --> 01:37:49.389
Alternate Line: Yes, I think I am. So the topic of the play is the Lockerbie disaster.

725
01:37:50.200 --> 01:37:51.270
Andrew's iPhone: Right, okay.

726
01:37:51.510 --> 01:38:01.949
Alternate Line: So it's a weird triangulation of musical, Ricky Ross, and Lockerbie. And it's… it's…

727
01:38:02.260 --> 01:38:14.129
Alternate Line: Surprisingly good, very good, I would say. Really enjoyed it. The tracks, are… the songs on it are great, really sensitive, really, really beautifully done.

728
01:38:14.130 --> 01:38:22.600
Alternate Line: I was under laboring on the misconception Ricky Ross had written the play. It's actually written by Francis Poet, and he's written the music.

729
01:38:22.600 --> 01:38:26.250
Alternate Line: And, Glasgow band, do you know the Glasgow band Admiral Fallow?

730
01:38:26.290 --> 01:38:27.129
Alternate Line: Familiar with them?

731
01:38:27.130 --> 01:38:27.770
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, yeah.

732
01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:45.660
Alternate Line: Yeah, so I think the drummer from Admiral Fallow, is… he's a drummer on stage and doing various other bits as well, and there's sort of 5 live musicians on stage all the time, front and center, very visible. It's got a great rustic, feeling. I wonder if you've heard about that, or if you haven't.

733
01:38:46.930 --> 01:38:57.600
Andrew's iPhone: And… sometimes in the typical… Typical hit, necessarily, but, yeah, it sounds… sounds like… So it works.

734
01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:00.449
Alternate Line: Yeah, it was good fun.

735
01:39:00.450 --> 01:39:05.179
Andrew's iPhone: Republican, and… Maybe, like… Made in town or something?

736
01:39:06.610 --> 01:39:21.749
Alternate Line: I don't know, I mean, Lockerbie, I think it's 30 years since the Lockerbie bombing, and there was a BBC documentary about Lockerbie, fairly sort of significant, big documentary that was released, a few months ago. So I think that's what's kind of…

737
01:39:21.940 --> 01:39:38.779
Alternate Line: why it's out now. I don't… I don't know if it would be meant to film, I don't… I don't think so. I don't think so. I really worried in the opening scene that it was going to be super, super cheesy and mawkish and stuff, but it didn't transpire like that, and it was… it was really… it was pretty powerful overall. It was a really, really good piece of work.

738
01:39:38.780 --> 01:39:44.919
Alternate Line: And, I'm not a great big Deacon Blue guy or anything like that, but, Ricky Ross's writing was… was…

739
01:39:45.110 --> 01:39:46.650
Alternate Line: was fantastic.

740
01:39:50.250 --> 01:39:57.959
Alternate Line: Yeah, so those are the… those are the kind of things that I've been meaning to talk to you about, and just haven't… we just haven't been on, so I haven't had the chance to… to kind of wrap them up with you.

741
01:40:00.070 --> 01:40:01.979
Andrew's iPhone: No, that's cool. That's cool.

742
01:40:02.190 --> 01:40:17.439
Alternate Line: Right, so, regular listeners will know, that this is our final segment of the day, and this is our vinyl word, where Andrew grabs a record down from his actual, real-life record collection, his vinyl collection, and he,

743
01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:29.439
Alternate Line: Makes a link sometimes obtuse, sometimes very precise, to something that we've listened to today. So I'm not gonna filibuster too much, I'm gonna just chuck it straight over to you, Andrew. What is the vinyl word?

744
01:40:30.630 --> 01:40:36.269
Andrew's iPhone: Okay, so we are going from How I Became a Madman, the Amitafra truck.

745
01:40:36.410 --> 01:40:42.890
Andrew's iPhone: And we are going to all the Mad Men, by David Bowie.

746
01:40:43.230 --> 01:40:44.700
Andrew's iPhone: Which…

747
01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:50.470
Andrew's iPhone: Yeah, it just kind of immediately kind of came into my head when I was thinking about that, and it's… it's an album that…

748
01:40:50.830 --> 01:40:57.909
Andrew's iPhone: always kind of feels fresh to me, The Man Who Sold the World. It's like one of those ones that never kind of overplayed.

749
01:40:58.270 --> 01:41:02.969
Andrew's iPhone: in the way that I maybe have some Bowie records, so it's always one that I enjoy going…

750
01:41:20.770 --> 01:41:25.600
Andrew's iPhone: Thank you. So, yeah, so we're going from Amitafra, How I Became a Madman.

751
01:41:25.710 --> 01:41:34.150
Andrew's iPhone: to the track All the Mad Men, by David Bowie. This was a track that immediately came to mind.

752
01:41:34.190 --> 01:41:46.950
Andrew's iPhone: A track from an album that I don't actually return to that often, but I always really enjoy it when I do, and it always feels kind of fresh to me in a way that certain Bowie albums maybe don't. It's going to be kind of overplayed certain ones over the years.

753
01:41:47.170 --> 01:42:04.849
Andrew's iPhone: But yeah, this is a really kind of interesting record from 1970, just before Bowie's really kind of properly found his way, I guess. And it's comfortably his progiest record as well. And yeah, I just really, really enjoy this album and this track, and I thought it'd be cool to hear it.

754
01:42:04.990 --> 01:42:14.519
Alternate Line: Yeah, I actually haven't heard this Bowie track in a long time. I used to love this record when I was a kid, when I was first getting into Bowie, but I haven't listened to this in a really long time, so…

755
01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:25.959
Alternate Line: And I haven't listened to it on our playlist either, so I've been… I've been saving it up, so… So I guess all that's left to say, guys, is thanks for listening, we're glad to be back, and we shall see you down the road.

756
01:42:26.670 --> 01:42:27.680
Andrew's iPhone: See you soon, guys.

757
01:42:47.180 --> 01:42:53.270
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Day after day They send my friends away.

758
01:42:54.090 --> 01:42:57.040
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Two mansions cold and gray.

759
01:42:57.470 --> 01:42:58.740
Audio shared by Alternate Line: To the fire!

760
01:42:59.030 --> 01:43:00.499
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Outside of town.

761
01:43:01.100 --> 01:43:07.629
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Where the thin men stalk the streets, while the signs die underground.

762
01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:13.560
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Die off the die.

763
01:43:13.890 --> 01:43:16.780
Audio shared by Alternate Line: They tell me I can go.

764
01:43:17.530 --> 01:43:20.170
Audio shared by Alternate Line: They tell me I can blow.

765
01:43:20.920 --> 01:43:22.130
Audio shared by Alternate Line: To the farm!

766
01:43:22.280 --> 01:43:24.129
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Our side of town.

767
01:43:24.660 --> 01:43:30.910
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Where it's pointless to be high, cause it's such a long way down.

768
01:43:32.120 --> 01:43:35.399
Audio shared by Alternate Line: So I tell them that I can fly

769
01:43:36.100 --> 01:43:40.510
Audio shared by Alternate Line: I will scream, I will brighten my arm.

770
01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:43.360
Audio shared by Alternate Line: I will do… We are…

771
01:43:46.440 --> 01:43:47.789
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Here I stand.

772
01:43:48.270 --> 01:43:57.790
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Foot in hand, talking to my wall. I'm not quite right to talk, am I?

773
01:43:58.450 --> 01:44:13.659
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Don't set me free. I'm as heavy as can be. Just my memory, and my EST makes me As I drive

774
01:44:15.750 --> 01:44:17.930
Audio shared by Alternate Line: With all the mad!

775
01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:23.029
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Blackberries went beside me.

776
01:44:25.990 --> 01:44:38.670
Audio shared by Alternate Line: And I'd rather play here With all the management But I'm quite content they're all the same as me.

777
01:45:00.830 --> 01:45:03.569
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Where can the horizon lie?

778
01:45:03.720 --> 01:45:13.679
Audio shared by Alternate Line: The nation hides its organic minds in a cellar, dark and grim, famously very dim.

779
01:45:16.230 --> 01:45:22.440
Audio shared by Alternate Line: The eye of the night. They take some brain away.

780
01:45:23.170 --> 01:45:25.439
Audio shared by Alternate Line: And turn my face around.

781
01:45:25.920 --> 01:45:27.230
Audio shared by Alternate Line: To the bottom!

782
01:45:28.320 --> 01:45:29.000
Audio shared by Alternate Line: down.

783
01:45:29.980 --> 01:45:36.279
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Mama tell me that it's real how I feel.

784
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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Talking to naiwan.

785
01:45:59.710 --> 01:46:01.430
Audio shared by Alternate Line: Announce your wife.

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: Down!

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01:46:08.590 --> 01:46:09.439
Audio shared by Alternate Line: There's health!

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Audio shared by Alternate Line: My libido spits on me. Give me some good old debat on me.