#103: Mystery Babylon Revised w/ Mike King

I welcome back researcher Mike King for another wild discussion, this time about Mystery Babylon. We discuss misinterpretations of conspiracy theories, the spread of false info and propaganda over time, Kings lists, myths, psyops and fabricated movements of truth, Gods, giants, biblical figures, and demons, and much more!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome back to Divulgence, everybody. Today we have Michael King back in the house. What's going on, Mike? How are you, my friend? Good, how are you? Thanks for having me on. Doing good, man. Doing good. Thanks so much for being here. We also have Hasburg Jolly West in the house. Hasburg, what's going on, brother? So happy to have you.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Oh, not much, man. Good to be here, man. Thanks, Jordan.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Uh well, we got a lot of crazy stuff going on in the world, obviously, with war and Epstein and all that stuff. But uh, Mike, you've got something completely different for us today.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Uh, so why don't you just uh start by um introducing us to uh what you'd like to present today well right so to preface this, there's a lot of confusion and a lot of issues going on in the world, and you know that worldview and having grounding becomes very important because, like, if if you don't have grounding, you don't have community, and now more and more people are isolated, especially in times like this, you have a recipe for psychosis. And this is where I think current events sort of aligns with my overlapping interests on philosophy, worldview, but also conspiratorial hierarchy. So, with what I'm gonna be presenting, I'm gonna be actually critiquing a lot of former beliefs that I used to have or methods I used to fall into that would actually lead to psychosis. I'm not gonna get in this story, but back in 2019, I have actually walked into a psychosis and I have personally seen people in the truther space walk into psychosis and pretty much ruin their lives and like alienate themselves from their family because they accept a lot of these conspiracy narratives. So, what I want to do is I want to get into the history of that, but also correct it because um uh a couple years ago, like around 2022, and I start coming across some of these researchers, I was like, oh my gosh, this is so profound! I gotta post it. Oh my gosh, look, there's all this compelling evidence, but little did I realize that a lot of this stuff is based on forgeries or misrepresentation that gets repeated. So there's a lot of scholarship where there's claims of this stuff. So you have this massive body of literature of people saying things, but that doesn't mean it's true. And if like they're talking about ancient history or ancient religion, for instance, but then once you look at ancient history and religion, you can only find snippets of evidence, but there's like it's not really a compelling picture, there's not much to back it up. Well, that that's obviously BS, and people shouldn't be like spinning the wheels on it. And where we're having an issue now is people are basing their entire worldviews off this. So that combined with these events is kind of like making them spin their wheels, it's redirecting their productivity, it's isolating them from communities that could actually provide solutions. So that's why I'm uh that's what I want to address and why I'm interested in this.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Okay, well, that that sounds interesting. Like uh, especially I mean, especially with uh I mean now that the technology's upgraded, we have all this AI, you have just even more misconception and misrepresentation, and uh you almost have to question just about everything these days. Uh so yeah, that's that sounds great, man. So where do we begin? Friend, where do we begin?

SPEAKER_02 3:27

So when you if you go into the conspiracy space, um, I know you you're somewhat familiar with it, and you you're definitely pretty knowledgeable. Um, and there honestly, it's like I think I think if you if you have a conspiracy mindset at this point, I think you're better trashing the conspiracy books and just going for more like quote unquote mainstream sources. If you do detective work, you can find plenty of stuff there, you know. Um but when you when you start getting in this, there's a lot of books being recommended. And one of the two two go-to ones that sort of frame people's perspectives on conspiracies is Alex Hislep's Tale of Two Babylons and also Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon. So Hislep's Tale of Two Babylons, it's it's directed more at like Catholic Church conspiracies, Vatican conspiracies, but it ends up getting repeated by people who aren't really coming at it from that angle. And a big reason for that, a big reason for that is um because of uh Bill Cooper. So Bill Cooper he gets a lot of things on contemporary history right. So Bill Cooper's claim to fame. Um, I'm sure I'm I I'd be surprised if both of you guys don't know this, but his main claim to fame was anticipating 9-11 ahead of 9-11, then having the IRS come and kill him after he exposed it ahead of time, and Alex Jones goes and takes his credit. So it's like, I'm not saying everything these people say is incorrect, but they definitely make some errors, and that stuff gets repeated and ends up forming a completely different worldview, and people don't even realize that they're accepting it, is where I'm getting at. So that doesn't mean trash everything these people say, but just be careful. And like just because something has a really compelling narrative, that doesn't mean that it's true and that you should go around repeating it.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

True, man. Excuse me, true, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Yeah, and I might add Bill Cooper, Bill Cooper has Masonic connections, and he was like naval intelligence, also. In fact, one of his one of his like, oh yeah, well, like I I know all this stuff because I have talks top secret document, it's got it's because he was a fed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Well, I mean, and he he also like was D Malay. I mean, he he talks about you know, like that's how he got into ONI was because he put on his application that he was the uh D Mole. What's D Mole D Malay is like Freemasonry for like for like uh kids for like high school age boys. Okay. You know, into getting into O and I. So yeah, I mean um Cooper Cooper's interesting. I mean, I think like that, you know, I I think like uh what Mike was saying, you know, kind of like at the end of his life, you know, that there was you know some more interesting things going on, and then maybe you know he had like gotten to a point where he was kind of back, you know, walking back some of the stuff that he had been like putting out, some of the propaganda, and um, you know, it you know, we'll I'm sure we'll get I'm sure we'll get there, but I I'll give Mike the floor and you know let him you know go where he wants to go.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Well, like so particularly where I'm coming from, so I talked about walking into a psychosis myself. What brought me out of that was the overall Christian worldview, and I saw how like the whole meta-narrative connected to theory of knowledge and it was all supported by metaphysics, how there was like this everything was coherent, there's a sense of purpose. So I'm definitely gonna be advocating for that. And you know, I'm I'm gonna be I'm gonna be getting into where Bill Cooper and Alex or Bill Cooper and Alex Hislop get a lot of their speculations from. So just starters be doing that. I'm going to be um getting a lot of this from the Masoretic text. And by the way, like there are some other people who have been doing similar scholarship. It's like if you want people who are um so one one source that like corresponds Egyptology with the kind of history you see in Genesis, there's a documentary called Patterns of Evidence. There's also um Doug Petrovich, who does a pretty good job at proving that Sargon of Akkad is actually Nimrod from Janus. Now, I think he gets things right because he wrong because he pushes he pushes Nimrod back to like only about a century after the flood. But if there's a giant flood and it wipes out like the population, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense. There's gonna be a lot of people coming together that early on. I'd actually say that the I'll I'll actually go ahead and say this now, but I'll be I'll be building up to this too. I don't think that I don't think that the Tower of Babel actually happened under Nimrod whatsoever. I think it actually happened under Hammurabi, like a look like well after the flood. So I can I can get in that, but he he ends up, he ends up pushing, he ends up pushing back like the Tower of Babel, like way too early for it to make sense if you if you end up going with um that time line of events. Then there's another guy called Aaron. I've I can't remember his last name, but I've I've had a couple interactions with him. I remember saying, hey, look, you're pursuing lines of evidence I have, but like you're you're talking about things I haven't considered, but it's pretty interesting. So he he's when when he writes this book, I'm gonna be sharing it because it's gonna back up the things that I'm saying. But he's he's writing a book called Um Serpent by the Way. And I was I was asking if he's had other other citations addressing what he's talked about. He hasn't, but I when when he's when he's done with that, hopefully this summer, I'll be I'll be uh sharing his stuff. And he he's got some he's got some uh fascinating scholarship. And you know, essentially, essentially like why I'm bringing this up is because um, you know, if rather rather you're a Christian, Muslim, Jew, um you know, for practicality, so I'm I'm not giving like a pragmatic argument for religion. I'm not saying just because it's practical, therefore true, but it's like these these traditions go way back, and the the people who develop these traditions and these religious philosophies, um, not all of them are bad guys, they're not all like trying to manipulate the public, they're they're making um psychological considerations for how to hold together a civilizational order. So if you go back through those timelines and you get sloppy about that, you know, you're you're gonna end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater. And if you're if you're addressing like really fundamental concerns for humanity and you you have a really compelling, profound, seeming narrative, but it's all incorrect trash. Well, you you kind of got a blueprint for a cult there and some and a kind of framework that can end up driving people into psychosis. And that's the kind of thing I see hap coming out of these narratives, especially people who are like on social media all the time, like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna be a sleuth, I'm gonna research all this stuff. And they they end up getting disconnected from families and communities and end up like not really having much anchoring into the real world. So, yeah, that's that's why I see a big problem with this. So I'm gonna be advocating for the Christian worldview that I'm just being transparent with where I'm coming from and specifically the timeline from the Masoretic text. So I'm just being clear on where I'm approaching this from. But for people who don't accept all that, I'd still say, like, if you want to tweak the timeline around events, there's still a lot of compelling like linguistic archaeological evidence for what I'm saying. So, like, even if people don't share all my assumptions, there's definitely gonna be things uh worth considering in this. So um I guess I guess where um I can start, I guess where I can start is um so if if we go with the hypothesis uh that Genesis is uh real history, then uh it would be safe to say, it would be safe to say that if that's if that's what happened, then early humanity would actually believe that. All right. Now, if that's the case, it makes sense to like we we know human nature, we know that governments and priesthoods work together to formulate propaganda for controlling and manipulating the pro the population, but they'd have to get that from some kind of prior source material. So if the Genesis account is correct, like you'll you'll see, you'll see um major components in the beginning, you will see uh God, you will see God speaking, you will see his word, and you will see a spirit, all right. And then you'll also see a serpent figure. So if if that's correct, my hypothesis, well, because remember, like I I was coming at this from a Christian worldview, so I I started hearing these claims about well, oh my gosh, what's what's what's the origins of Mystery Babylon? What's all this? So I I was I was coming at all right. Well, if if that's the truth, I will expect to see uh figures that are based on a spirit figure, based on a word figure or a son, based on a father figure, but also based on a serpent that you see in the book of Genesis. And then what you can expect later on is that those those figures are going to be smashed into legendary figures that then get like passed down through a game of telephones. So then, like you'll have you'll have gods, like you'll have you'll have certain aspects of God in Genesis being mixed, mixed together with certain legendary figures, then later on that gets mixed and smashed together with later legendary figures and things like that. So the narrative that I want to push back on, though, so you know, the the the the narrative that comes out of Mystery Babylon by Bill Cooper, he's appropriating it from Alexander Hislip's Tale to Babylons. So Hislip didn't have this intention. Hislip was a Protestant who was writing anti-Catholic tracts. All right. And remember, like, I I I if if you believe if you there's a lot of conspiracies involving the Vatican, so that's where this can end up like getting people off guard. So the kind of assumption I would make is well, there's conspiracies, the Vatican, therefore, it's like, oh my gosh, it must all be like illegitimate. So he's making these claims like that they're they're pretty much the second Babylon and that their entire like religious and metaphysical framework is derived from Babylonian religion, all right. But so he he believes he believes in like the Godhead as presented in like Genesis and later on the New Testament, where it's like spelled out more clearly. But he also ends up arguing that like, well, the Catholic Trinity is different. So you have you have a Semiramis, Semiramus, that's that's like this um harlot figure who was who was supposedly Nimrod's mother, then they they they go back like 4,000, 5,000, 4,000 or 5,000 years, and like they're they're they're responsible for creating this Babylonian empire, they're responsible for creating the archetypes for like paganism, and then that that got appropriated in Egypt, and that that got absorbed into Persia and Greece and eventually made its way into Rome. And when Rome wanted to hijack Christianity, they used that blueprint. So you have you have uh they'll say the appropriation of the spirit is semiramus. Um, that Nimrod what they'll sometimes say that because there's different takes on this, but a lot of this comes from Hyslip. They'll sometimes say that um Nimrod is either her son or her lover, or sometimes they'll say it's like an incestuous relationship, like, oh look, like we know, we know um Emperor Nero is having affairs with Agrippa the Younger, his mother. So they'll try and like impose some of that on it. And what they'll say is Tamus. Tamus is this um early like dying and rising god figure, all right. So tamus, he there's in in ancient in ancient like Babylonian mythology, uh, they they'd have they'd have a um like a ceremony for the mourning of Tamus, because like their their version of the fertility goddess would mourn his death. So what they'll say is that's that's um that's Semaramus, and that's also who the um Catholic Jesus is based on. So Bill Cooper takes a step further. He he makes he he pretty much claims that like the trinity comes from these mystery schools, and that this this Nimrod religion, based on these three figures, Nimrod's son, Jesus, Nimrod, who'd be the father, and Samaramus, who'd be the mother or the Holy Spirit, because because oftentimes um the the Holy Spirit would be associated maternally. Now, my take on that is if you if you look in if you look in like the passage of the Bible, um that I'm not going to be getting into filiochala stuff because like the filiochala is essentially a debate between Catholics and Orthodox on it. Like, does does the spirit proceed from the father and the son, or does does the spirit and the son both proceed from the father? I'm not weighing out on that, but if you look at the like dynamics between the persons as laid out in in scripture, the spirit does point to the sun, the spirit wants to glorify the sun, the spirit wants to glorify Jesus. So there is a sense in which um the spirit takes a lesser and subordinate role to both Jesus and the Father. So if you're looking at that dynamic, and there's some early traditions reflecting that going on, which might have been oral history, but we don't we don't have record of it in Genesis. That that's why I think that like the the spirit ended up getting associated with womanhood, because like there's there's a sense of submission there, which is why the spirit would be turned to these goddess figures. But you know, a big a big problem, a big problem with that narrative about Semiramus, Nimrod, and um Tamus. Tamos goes back 5,000 years ago. Then Nimrod would probably be would probably be around uh 1900 BC or two between 2100 and 1900. Now people will date people will date Sargon of Akkad around 2100. So I think that's Nimrod, but I put I put the date a little bit um later than that because what I think they're doing, what I think they're doing at this time is um they are making stuff up, they are making stuff up and mixing together kings lists that would be dug up because remember, like these records would be on ceramic clay tablets, they would be able to survive waters and stuff. And um, you know, it the the flood wasn't like just just a bunch of giant tsunamis, it came from rain. So what I think what I think they're doing is like you you have like multiple lines of succession from different areas, and some of these are based on legendary figures who would end up being deified. So what they're doing is I think they're smashing together different like kings lists and different areas. So if if there's a flood happen that that's happening, there's about a 300-year period of rebuilding. And also, um, if you go with the biblical timelines, like remember the pre-flood people would have longer lifespans. Now, what I think that is, what I think that is, is um I think you had changes in the atmospheric condition, also changes in magnetic field. Because the way the way that the earth is described before the flood, it's like you you don't have the same kind of like hydraulic cycle that you see now. Like it because when it's talking about it raining, that's that's presented as like something entirely new. So I think I think there was a change that happened, and and it also would have caused genetics to deteriorate a little bit. So you'd have you'd have people declining in lifespans, but essentially Noah, Noah and his sons would still be alive a little bit longer. So they'd be they'd be living for a couple hundred years. So like they'd be they'd be keeping world peace, essentially. So if if someone if someone comes along and starts conquering lands, be like, oh, look at this king's list. I'm descended from these people, and these people attacked me, so I'm justified in baiting them and taking over these territories. They'd be alive, they'd be alive, and they'd be able to call BS on that. So part of the reason why I'm dating Nimrod and or or Sargon of Akkad um that far ahead is because it makes perfect sense that they'd be doing exactly that. Okay. So yeah, what it what it looks like, what it looks like happened is um it's so a lot of a lot of historians, a lot of historians who talk about like ancient Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt, they're going along with king's lists that have these dates. And I think it's a bunch of bull crap propaganda. And if you look at the Elamite king's list and the Assyrians king's list, they actually talk about a flood. Okay, so what's interesting, what's interesting, I'll be getting into this later, but in so it looks to me like um Elam, Elam, so Elam uh would have been um uh along the Persian Gulf, um, and then it would have been it would have been pretty close to Lagash. It looks to me like before the flood, there was there was lower water levels in this part of the Persian Gulf would have actually been joined. So once you the the first the first ever recorded battles end up coming from a city in southern Mesopotamia right along the Persian Gulf called um Lagash. They're they're making they're making weapons and they're making things like that. It seems to me like so. If you look at like all these figures end up corresponding with like genetic like Genesis 5 figures. So what we what we know is all right, for instance, we have the we have records of like Tubal Cain being a metal worker and things like this, and we we start seeing all these like this metalwork and wars coming from that area in Lagash. So if if there's if there's an Elamite Kings list and they're they're digging up stuff from here, it makes sense that it would come from the line of Cain also. So what's interesting is from the line of Cain, you see seven descendants in there, and they they're talking about elites because remember, Genesis talks about like Adam and Eve having. descendants so like this is this is highlighting very like well known influential people for a reason in the elamite kings list you you have you have seven you have seven in that role in that in that order and it it lines up it lines up perfectly with the genealogy that you end up seeing in um genesis five now another another interesting thing i forgot shoot i don't have this in front of me i'm i'm bad at other languages but there's there's a way to translate the first ever recorded battle that's in the legash region as the the border of Eden there's a way to translate it as that so what i think what i think actually where eden actually is it's submerged under the um red sea and they were they were sort of fighting over that territory and yeah like eat eating so eden eden's pretty much um submerged right now but anyways back back to the timeline back to timeline of Nimrod is they're they're digging up so all all like the these figures that you'll see in Genesis 5 they're famous and they're being deified so essentially they want they want to they want to push back the date of the flood so they can they can say like oh well we have this we have this continuity of legitimacy also we're descended from gods so that there there we have our we have our divine right of kings it's directly mandated oh but also um because because there's no flood there wasn't this um there wasn't this time of rebuilding so we have records this battle going on see you guys attacked us first so we're justifying taking over your land we're just fine taking you guys over all right so and that that would have been that would have been way back so a problem with the theory a problem with a theory that the trends like the trendy's based on uh samurais tamus nimrod just to bring it back to that different timelines all right so um one of the things that uh Hislep says they they they'll go to um passages in Ezekiel and um the prophets who are writing around the time of the Assyrian invasions and Babylonian captivity. So this they would have been they would have been writing um you know after 800 BC so they they would have been writing about like a thousand years after Nimrod who I say is Sargon of Akkad would have existed. That's that's the that that's the first ever time you see anyone like Samaramus being mentioned. Now she definitely is going to be based on like early fertility goddess figures but like you know that they they try they try and like push that back and superimpose on it so where where the sloppy scholarship comes in is oh well you know you have you have overlapping archetypes therefore we can push back these dates and semiramus was actually a queen in Assyria so that that's that's why this that's why this doesn't work it's like it it makes sense it makes sense that you'll have royalty being associated with these divine figures but also this queen she she had she had an associate named Nimus so what they'll say is um this this nemus guy who she was sleeping with see that's Nimrod because like oh wow look there's some there's some similar etymology there but the problem is that those dates are like way too far apart and there's absolutely no evidence of anyone fitting with the description of Tamos they give existing at the same time but you know what what they'll say is like oh all this stuff all this stuff was um going on at the same time and that that's where that's where we have all these metaphysics from and uh it's it's all it's all just like mystery Babylon repackaging occultism for religion so you know you see why that's dangerous like all all all religion is just all illegitimate um let's let's not look into the primary sources or investigate this we have we have a grab bag of talking points to go to so we can dismiss all this because it's it's illegitimate from this group of occultists controlling the world right like this this is Gnosticism this is Gnosticism and and the Gnostic and not not all Gnostics are going to go here like I I've talked to some Gnostics who are actually like intelligent people and have have some have some balance so what I mean by that is just just take just take two basic premises that um in a sense matter or the material world is an illusion that's created by a demiurgic figure. So where where where some Gnostics like don't fall into some of these pit traps is like there are takes where the demiurge isn't really this bad guy. And it's not as much of a prison right because where I'm going with this is I'm gonna be comparing the prison version of this like their framework but just I'm just giving I'm just giving some of these people credit. They'll say that like instead of a physical matter be in in the material world being like this um prison that an evil god traps us in that an evil creator trap us in they'll frame it more like um it's it's sort of like a womb state an incubator so like the the the fakeness of matter is necessary because we we need um distinctions to grow spiritually so we can be unified back with the one right because they have an idea the creator god is separate from the God that sort of is the one like the the creator God is an aspect of the one right but the creator god comes in as a manifestation of the one and where he comes in as like for for the for the big light to be able to know himself and for creation to be fulfilled the big light has to split up into all these little lights and come back together after knowing separation distinct now I still think that's a bunch of nonsense but where where you'll see other Gnostic cults go with this is the demiurge becomes evil and everything is fake and the only way to get out of that is to have your gnosis your secret knowledge essentially what's going on is if you have a framework like this where all these all these religious categories are fake all metaphysics is just arrived from Mystery Babylon and it's it's a bunch of occultists trying and and trying to like secretly initiate people and brainwash people what you end up getting is Nimrod in this occultic network end up actually becoming the demiurge and everything is fake. The only and the only way you can have gnosis is if you end up repeating that narrative of history and any any deviation from that is going against the gnosis and pushing people back into the chains of the demiurge and I I've literally seen people go like psychotic over this kind of framework getting into conspiracy stuff. So yes I I went over a lot I went over a lot I can I have I have more things I can pull up to like add add meat to this but yeah I I can go ahead and like let you guys interject because I was I wasn't expecting to talk that long straight well you know when you're when you're talking about um like Tammuz and Semiramus and um nimrod I mean isn't that basically the same as like uh the same archetype as uh Osiris Isis and Horus yeah it is it actually yes yes it it ends up it ends up like bleeding into each other so yeah like so were the I mean was were were those like contemporary kind of uh you know like um archetypes or like mythologies did did the um like uh Babylonian or like Assyrian you know figures like precede the Egyptian or did the Egyptian like precede the uh like you know Babylonian I mean do there do we have like a timeline with that like where where did where did that where did that the that archetype like originate from do you think okay so what I think what I think that you're actually looking at is flare out of my window what I think what I think you're looking at is um okay so you know what you know what I'm I'm just I'm just gonna go I'm just gonna go into the Egypt stuff I'm just gonna go into the Egypt stuff and because here so remember back to what I was saying at the beginning of my theory is you know if if there are primordial gods you know and and the primordial gods are based on aspects of how God reveals himself in Genesis because he's part of my theory he's part of my theory I think that um you know the first eight chap the first eight or nine chapters of Genesis um that would be after the flood there would have been something similar that would have been an oral tradition because like you have you have so many overlapping archetypes you have so many overlapping archetypes in all these cultures so I think I think when you're looking at early religions and you see all these overlapping archetypes they they all originate the same time with the flood but they they are they are um coming from different figures that emerge from different times of the flood that eventually no before the flood then eventually like the during the flood um you not during the flood before the flood you have these figures they're based on being deified after they die and you have you have people coming up with cults about them. So what what you're looking at is you're looking at different different people people in different places interpreting that same source material in different ways like that so that I think they're combining aspects of an oral tradition based on Genesis with bullcrap they're digging up bullcrap they're digging up all right so who how how who's who's digging up let me let me get into this because this this is actually pretty interesting and also debunks some of these people's theory if so when you see the people running with this mystery babylon narrative on X they'll they'll repeat things like Nimrod was the first Mason Nimrod's where all this stuff comes from well we don't really we see we see mentions of Nimrod being a mighty hunter we see we see evidence that Nimrod was like a kind of usurper figure right but we don't really see we don't really see much about him creating these occultic traditions but where I think that comes in actually as canan so in in genesis nine in genesis nine um you end up having Ham uncovering the nakedness of um of Noah so if you if you go on to like the Levitical code so I I defend mosaic authorship for all these books like there's there's people who like look at um diff like word wording between Genesis and Deuteronomy like oh wow look you you have um you have this this this part of it was written in the exile period under the priestly tradition that this part this this is the yawist tradition over here well well one of the reasons why that that whole theory on like Genesis being like being cobbled together and written together at different times then redacted then smashed together like that first of all that's not how any books are written but second of all like they'll say like oh well you know you had these priestly traditions emphasizing this or that for for this time period and what they're trying to do is they're trying to get rid of the fact that we had tons of fulfilled prophecies in there. All right so because like look uh but this happened after the Babylonian captivity so therefore um those prophecies must have been written uh after the Babylonian captivity because we we know we know that you know people can't predict the future like that because we're a bunch of like naturalistic atheists or we're theosophists who want to discredit the Bible so we can say our esoteric traditions are truth. Right. But like you know if if if that was the case you'd see mentions of like prophecies of Jerusalem like okay I'm going to sanction this place is where we're gonna have our temple I'm going to sanction these people you don't you don't see any evidence of that like the only the only time Jerusalem is mentioned remotely would be like Salem which which would be where uh I which would be where Melchizedek is which I believe is Shem. And you'll you'll see the place where Isaac was told to or Jacob not Jacob Abraham was told to sacrifice Isaac that would be the hell the temple is built on but it's like there's so many there like there there's so many ways that theory doesn't work. It's like if if if people are writing propaganda like there's so many like internal things you'd expect to be different. And also like if you if you look at how Genesis and uh Exodus are written it's written by someone who's very familiar with the crop rotation cycles at the exact time in Egypt where the writer was claimed to be and whenever whenever um genesis talks about like the Levant area the Middle Eastern area there's no familiarity with the geography there whatsoever but there is tons of familiarity with like the Sinai Peninsula's geography and like the in Egypt's crop cycles things like that so I I got on a little bit of a segue but I just wanted I just wanted to point that out I just wanted to point that out because um you know what what what I was what I was getting at was like dating the dating of uh genesis and stuff and why I think all this comes from from Moses so yeah back back to what I was saying about him uncovering the nakedness of of Noah if you if you look at Levitical law and if you grant that like this is the same writer what it looks to me like is uh because Levitical law says you shall not uncover the nakedness of your father for that is your mother like uncovering nakedness of your father is having sex with your mother or or or your stepmother your like your father's wife that's like because what the point it's making is that like marriage is so intimate that like your spouse your other half is your nakedness right so what I think actually happened is uh noah noah got drunk then Ham raped his own mother because Noah was the patriarch of earth and so if you if you go forward like I don't know how familiar with these Bible stories but um another time you see this happening is um Abs when Absalom overthrew his father David King David Absalom over usurped King David he ended up having sex and raping his wives on the rooftop in front of everyone like there's this kind of like caveman idea where ooga booga if I if I take your woman I I I'm I'm like the alpha so he's he's pretty much doing that to declare himself like the the alpha and patriarch of the earth all right so then um then shem Shem leads the charge and covering the nakedness i i believe that that's um I believe that that's his that that that's his mother and then jafeth is following them so you know what what you get from that is you get Shem getting the priestly blessing for covering the nakedness of his mother. What I believe that is is like he he's he's pretty much like an archetype of Christ and that's representing Christ covering the sins of his bride so like him getting the priestly blessing is foreshadowing that then the reason why he's Melchizedek or one of the reasons is because Melchizedek was in Salem Jerusalem and Jerusalem would have been like the middle point between Africa between like the Middle East and Asia and Europe and you you generally have the Hamites go south like the the Shemites say in like that sort of Middle East region and the Japhethites go north now they're all gonna mix like when people say like oh Hamites are black well that that's that's a bunch of bullcrap like I I do think I do think blacks are descended from them but like I think a lot of the southern Chinese and Mesoamericans are descended from Ham too so like you know I in in and like they'll they'll look at oh well they'll they'll say there's a curse of ham so what I was getting at also there was there is no there is no curse of Ham so Japheth and Shem got blessings because of that Ham didn't get a blessing but Canaan gets cursed Canaan gets cursed why is Canaan getting cursed so it looks if you're if you're reading that passage as if like oh well this is Genesis chapter nine therefore it all must be at the same time well you got to remember when this was written there were no chapter verse distinctions but if you if you look at when blessings and cursings be giving i Isaac Isaac are not Jacob would be giving his blessings and cursings to his son at the end of his life so what I think I think there's actually like between between when Shem covers the nakedness of his mother and between the time where you get the blessings and cursings there's a lot of time that is passed on because not all of Genesis is in chronological order like it goes it goes back and forward in times for certain parts like quite often so this would have been towards the end of Noah's life so because here's the thing like if if you go with that chronology where like it's it's early after the flood and then all can would have been born so some people will say can is being cursed because he's the offspring of an incestuous relationship I used to believe that but I don't anymore what I what I think it actually is is that you will you will see this um wizard type figure popping up all over mythology like uh the the black the black yoga the black yoga is an example that's in like the the India Pakistani region that gets into Indian religion then krishna gets based on that i think i think that's based on canan and he he would be this um early like archaeologist explorer wizard archetype and he's the one that's going around actually like uncovering all this um uh this this pre-flood Nephilim cult type stuff and so then that ends up that ends up getting smashed together with um peep because people are people after the flood like early descendants they're they're having longer lifespans and then you got these like legendary figures back then so at first he'll be starting reviving like these esoteric practices so that's that's why I think he actually got cursed and ham did something bad but that wasn't as offensive to God as what can was uh going around doing so when people say Nimrod's the first mason they're wrong because it looks to me like that's actually canan like canon was this this this occultic wizard type archetype and then actually um it seems to me like when you when you see like parallel parallel like stories about um there there being this uh usurper figure a lot like a lot of times he'll have this uh propaganda minister figure that that's who I think canan actually was I think canan was actually Nimrod or Sarvanov Akkad's propaganda minister and he was the one like doing these plug and play games like mixing and matching kings lists together and it looks so when you were asking like where did Egypt get this stuff from it looks like they were doing it first but the these Hamites and Canaanites would have a presence in Egypt so they were trading each other and mix I think they were mixing and matching propaganda with each other also so like I think I think it sort of all like started coming up and around the same time but then they branch off in different directions they'd use similar methods but do it at different times and uh things like that. But yeah like it's so I can I can I can start getting into I can I want to I want to show some examples because I I can go into the Assyrians king's list and show so let me let me just say this the Assyrian the Assyrian and Elamite king's list it looks to me like there's less propaganda and bull crap being put in it because they get the dates for the flood right and they end up they end up like disproving they end up disproving like um the the Egyptian and sumerians king's list which I think are propaganda. Oh one one more interesting thing so one of the reasons why in my hypothesis I was saying that like I think they're like smashing together a bunch of contemporary figures making it look like there's a line of succession with um so we could they can say they're much older than they really are all right crap crap I don't have this off the top of my head I don't have this off the top of my head but one of one of the um there there's a couple dynasties there's a couple dynasties I don't remember where the chronological order of it I should have had I should have had the list pulled up and done screen share but what you end up seeing what you end up seeing is multiple dynasties all last about 70 or so years and then like there's seven there's like seven years of famine something really bad happens and there's some kind of centralization of power you see that in Genesis with the with there being seven years of famine and you see you see seven years of famine in these other timelines also like you see you'll see like this this time of famine and sometimes there'll be six years because like it'll it might hit different different places but yeah like you you see all these times of famine reflecting the kind of history that you see in Genesis but in the propaganda kings list you'll you'll have like some short-lived dynasties then they'll get sort of like what I think happened is like the these would have been different kingdoms different kinds of states then you have a time of crisis come over you had a centralization of government and then like all these different like smaller states be unified into a single state and what they did was like they just took all those lines smashed them together made up a bunch of bull crap propaganda about say we're old and everyone oh yeah like we we weren't we weren't taken over by these Hebrews who we completely look down on and yeah that that's that's why have all these different dynasties that seem to last as long and seem to end under the same conditions which were allegedly like all all tapping like at different times no like the those those things were happening at the same time and um they were getting smashed together. Yeah like that sorry there there's there's a lot there's a lot going on there but it's like there there's I have I have so many reasons for what I'm saying it's it's impossible it's impossible to get into all of it in like just an hour 30 minute space like I might I might have to do some solo videos just doing it more focused but I do appreciate you like giving me giving me an outlet to do this but yeah any any anything guys want to interject with uh sorry what do you what is a king's list when you refer to that is that like uh historical um timeline or yeah k king's list a king's list pretty much refers to um a line of succession it'll it'll list rulers and it'll also like list their accomplishments and things like that so you're gonna have some kind of historical records in there but like once you once you look at the Egyptian king's list and the Sumerian king's list there's a lot of like contradictions and things that don't add up but you don't you don't have those problems with like the Elamite and Assyrians king's list but the Assyrian Elamite king's list ends up lining up with Genesis a whole lot more which I think is pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Interesting what I'm wondering you know about Genesis and you know uh we have you know we have all of the um like his you know um genealogy uh coming you know from adam and eve um but when adam and eve get kicked out of the um the garden they go to the land of nod and it you know it basically suggests that there are like people there right in in in the land of nod and so like who who are those people and like how you know how does that maybe like you know relate to you know who comes afterwards or where maybe some of these archetypes actually originated from um like are they like you know um you know from you know what was was there you know people political structures things like that like in this land of nod that you know may have influenced you know who we read about in Genesis yeah so I think I think Nod I think Nod would have been in um southern Mesopotamia actually actually uh do you have screen share absolutely then yeah how do I do screen share there should be a button that says present uh it it looks like a screen with a plus symbol on it it should be under your under your uh display screen in the browser all right I'm doing that because I'm so first of all first of all to answer that like it's it's like I'm saying if if you're if you're looking at that in a chronologic sense where because it's it it it doesn't seem like it's clear to me but I see why it could read that way where it's like there's already other people there.

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It kind of it kind of depends on how you read it but the way I take it is it's not it's not chronological and like um early early genetics early genetics wouldn't have been like as corrupt because like if if you look at the problems with incest it's like there there's always genetic errors popping up but like incest ends up multiplying it but it said it also says that like Adam and Eve had like many different daughters now when it talks about them going there it doesn't mention that in chronological order. That's what I think's going on but hey you could say you could say that like for for like Adam was the federal head for humanity and it like his his creation Eden was emphasized there but they were also like um other people running around at the same time it's like if that if that's your take on it I'm not I'm not gonna argue with that I I don't I don't think that's what's going on but that's you know I'm not gonna say it's a um impossibility either okay so let me let me share the screen yeah I was gonna get into the Egyptian king's list because it starts off with gods and it starts getting into like um let me see Mike the yeah there we go okay yeah but like I I can show so yeah I can I can show because the I I have two ways to give an example of this so I have one of them is a map but another one is like the king's lists and how how how it's like based on a lot of these um Genesis figures and stuff um you can show us both man yeah yeah okay so here all right you see that map right there hold up right now for you there you go okay yeah yeah okay yes yes okay I've seen stuff like this before in like entertainment media and you know historical books and okay all right so yeah like this it looks to me like this is actually a whole map of Eurasia so like what what they'll what um what more uh like scholars will say is like oh this is just the Nile like you have you have all these um boats over there like no what it what it looks to me like is it's a map of Eurasia they didn't really go as far into Africa you have remember what I said about like the Persian Gulf and Lagash being joined like the e the land of Elam which would have been the other side of the Persian Gulf like near the Persians and then uh and then Lagash being a mess so you you'd have you have that being joined it's like you can you can see the tigress you can see a tigress in the euphrates and you see them connecting it to other water systems up there it's kind of like they're saying oh well um it all it all must just sort of be like the same river or a bunch of bull crap and you see you see a bunch of people on these um boats so then if you if you look over at this landmass it's like oh what what's this over here here here's like here's like a replication of um what Eurasia would look like with lower water levels there there's a lot of similar shapes now there there's some things that don't entirely add up but like it looks to me like when you're when you're around like the Mediterranean when you're around the Mediterranean basin the Middle East things are definitely more recognizable with like the um with with the world map and it's like the further south or the further out you go um it gets a little bit harder to recognize but yeah like that that definitely looks like Siberia oh yeah and what's what's interesting is um this if you if you go over the far left it it looks like someone it looks like someone with a boomerang it looks like someone with a boomerang and like that's that's the kind of that's the kind of stuff that like we we know people were having like over over in this part of the world which would be like near polynesia now is that is that australia or is that like some kind of continent that's now submerged or something I don't know but like it it definitely it definitely lines up with like the kind of the kind of like artifacts that we'll find over in this region. But this is this is pretty interesting though it's like okay so why are there a bunch of boats like what what what you'll hear scholars say is oh well because just about the Nile well what I think is like you're looking at early humanity expanding outwards and they're dominantly using um water out so boats are representing different colonies okay but here here's something that's interesting here's something that's very interesting all right you see you see two altars you see two altars one of them has um smoke going up from it and um another one another one doesn't so what I think what I think that you're actually um looking at over here is you're looking at you're looking at um because because if you go into Genesis 4 remember like for for for for both cane what cane offer what Cain offered and his attitude his his offering was rejected and his smoke didn't go up to God and it was rejected but then um uh able's was offered what what I think you're actually looking at is um you're you're looking at um this would have been made by uh descendants of more dominantly descendants of Seth who would have who would have been recognized um as uh who would have it would have been recognized as like the established priesthood because remember like Seth Seth begets uh Seth begets Enosh and Enosh means the priesthood is established so when you're when you're looking at when you're looking at like early Egyptian religion words like um atun atum like if you heard of atum ra what I think is that that's actually just straight up Adam like Adam Adam is the first like you know he's the first human he's the progenitor and he ends up getting deified then you look at uh set that's Seth you know I think that's Seth and what's interesting is in the Genesis 3 prophecy you have you have a um prophecy that the seed of the woman will crush the seed of the serpent now if that's reflected in oral tradition they're going to be associating that with Seth and the Sethites are going to be associating evil with Cain and and also also just with the serpent because they're going to know about the genus serpent that serpent gets deified or demonized certain things so early in in Egyptian mythology so remember okay one more thing I want to say this this is found in Egypt this found in Egypt around 5000 years ago so it would it would be pre-flood if if that if the Masoretic timeline is correct it would be pre-flood okay but but uh in in in so we we have a lot of we have there's so many other pictures I could get into that back this up also but I'm only going with this one. So I just want to add though that um we don't really have the way people pronounce things in the inscriptions they gave or the explanations they give until like a lot of times a thousand years later. So you know if if if you're if you're looking at like Egyptology and stuff you'll you'll see you'll see people explain these kind of images and things like that you know um based on based on uh um you know what what the inscriptions say I'd say that's like propaganda that gets um added later and um it it just it just it just ends up adding up in fact in fact I have another I have another picture that ends up backing this up too that I can pull up on the screen share also but I'm I'm not even I'm not even done like uh dissecting this but yeah so oh you you no no yeah yeah yeah well yeah so back back to what I was getting at with Seth though you you so you have you have the serpent you have the prophecy against the serpent well guess what it is Seth who actually is working for Ra who I think would have been more of like a retcon of the word or the son you know and I I can actually get in this the other image I'll be sharing um he's he but he's he's killing the serp the chaos serpent at his behest now later on later on oh yeah so Tama's Tamas would obvious Tamas and Osiris that would be able remember what I was saying like Cain Cain killed abel so originally originally I don't think that um you know I I don't think Osiris exists like as as the kind of god he was now what I think happened is actually um when when you had when you had uh Hamites and um you know people related to that start taking over start falsifying kings lists start start spreading propaganda to legitimize themselves it would make it would make if they're if they're associating with these like magic practices that they want to make into the saint religion well they they want to make the Sethites the bad guys so that that's why you end up having set um dismembering so it's it's pretty interesting it's dismembering it so it's it seems to me like set and um cane actually got mixed together into the evil set the the evil set who goes around like dismembering Osiris and Osiris and Tama's would both be based on Abel primarily right like so let me let me show let me show another one though um and and Seth in Genesis is the son of Cain no so Cain and Abel would be Adam and Eve's first two kids Seth would be the one after Cain killed able okay and then that says they have more sons and daughters too so like there there's others like people okay one one thing I want to say is like once you look into the Eustace Mullins narratives and some of these um hold on can can you can you can you see me typing in like what's what's the screen look like when you when you're looking at me yeah I could I could see your Twitter and yes I could see what you're typing in there yeah okay hold on uh uh do you want me to hide it for a second? No no no I'm I'm pulling something up I'm just trying to remember the right word uh no uh maybe if I hit latest it'll come up fast also uh well there we go there we go all right sorry Mike real quick what was the name of the map you just or the graphic you just showed the people in the chat would like to know crap I don't like it's it's it's on the tip of my tongue it's it's it's something that begins with an N. And one of the problems is I found this on a Yandex browser it was on some Russian website too um dang gum it no it's on the tip of my tongue it's on the tip of my tongue that's all right I I can I can yeah yeah my bad if you think yeah man no that's cool okay but here here's another one here's another one that I think is really interesting um so that this would be this would be more like more more later and I'm I'm gonna be I'm gonna be getting into like the the genealogy with this a little bit and by the way like I I plugged in what I did to show this because because like um there there's no website that really has this stuff um compiled so I ended up giving ai inputs I gave ai inputs to like mix together like the king's list and God's list that you'll see on wiki and then end up corresponding it with like um what I see to be as um biblical figures is based on so I'll be showing I'll be showing that so I just want to say like for for the next thing I'm sure since people are interested in sources I don't have a source for that because like I programmed it into the AI to be like a visual aid of sorts so I just want I I just want to get that out there. But yeah so um here you have look at how many people look at how many people you have you have one two three then you have you have a dung beetle and a son then um you have four five six seven then underneath it underneath it is um one person carrying a boat now but you know later later on inscriptions it'll say oh well you know that this is about the Nile flooding over and you have you have a nun you have none like he's associated with like the god of the waters right and he you know because because you know yeah this Nile and there's this association then you have the then you have the beetle that's that's that's representing like a Ra moving moving the sun across the sky because he's he said to be he's said to be the god behind the sun that moves the sun across the sky and like him him rolling the sun across the sky as compared to a dung beetle it's it seems if if you don't have a completely anti-biblical bias it seems pretty obvious to me that like nun you know it's pretty similar to Noah that's noah and he's holding the boat because he built the ark and then you have you have uh seven people on there because like you have eight people on there and also also it's like you you can look at Chinese characters just if you just if if you just look up God in ancient china you'll see some like Chinese linguists explain this but like the Chinese characters themselves for boat like refers to water flood eight people like it's straight like the this story is like straight up in the Chinese characters is like like specifically like the boat eight people is is ingrained in like collective civilization's memory so the conclusion I'm coming to is that like the the history Moses recorded because he he would have had access to a lot of books in Egypt that we don't have access to anymore and he also would have gotten divine revelation. So the conclusion I come to is that he was preserving the real history and that um the these documents we have that predate him are bull crap propaganda and that's actually the accurate history so then okay so then um why why is there a sun god now I I think um back to what Habsburg was asking about like what came first where where did all this stuff where did all this stuff come from um it seems to me like there was a gradual inversion so like originally originally actually what's what's interesting is like uh atum atumara he originally would have been like represented as a mouse remember in genesis like you have you have God created then god speaks god speaks and it was so and you have the spirit hovering over the waters so like the speaking the speaking god you know it talks it talks about god like actually physically appearing to people like Adam walked with God Enoch walked with God and in appearances we see of God like rather it's the angel of the Lord remember remember remember in the old testament we see appearances of the angel of the Lord we we hear about like him glowing and things like that well like that that angel bears the name of God but if you see other passages it says that God will not share his name with anyone else so like that right what you're looking at is you're looking at an uncreated being giving himself a finite form that can be discerned by people and it would be glowing so what what I think happened is you had a combination you had a combination of this emphasis on the word all right and then and then you you had you had uh the one who comes down in the cool of the evening glowing like the sun he knows if you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake that eventually that got that got symbolized and associated with the sun so it made it makes sense why the sun would be associate the vanity it's like the sun is fixed in the sky you can count on the sun arising and falling right and and like it it doesn't it doesn't wither or fade like um ge geogra geographic like stones erode and things like that you have crops wither and fail but the the sun the sun's caught so like it's it's it's a symbol for eternity so it makes sense that like you know it would it would be deified and associate divinity like that but eventually it's like it just keeps it keeps on getting just all these like different different like retcons these different it keeps getting more imminent it keeps becoming like less less transcendent more and more imminent that eventually it becomes like we're we're like anthropomorphized like all these gods have human forms and things like that and if you if you look back if you look back at like early mythology actually like when you when you talk people now like they'll frame it like oh these these ancient gods were immortal not not early on like this is one of the reasons why I actually think they're based on Genesis nine genesis like 10 11 figures that had longer lifespans is because like it talks about gods like actually like decomposing and things like that. So if if there's if you have lifespans rapidly decreasing and you have some people out living like their their great times 12 grandchildren well it makes sense to me that they're going to be seen as gods and and eventually deified you know after they die and things like that. But yeah so you know so what it what so where where you get the eye of Horus from where you get the eye of Horus from um it seems to me like um the the the sun was the eye that was at the mouth and it would be associated with God's omniscience that eventually it just got like made this esoteric symbol oh yeah also another I'd say what the final the final inversion going from uh transcendence to immanence would be pantheism and like it this this idea that like your your mind can like connect the universe like if if you um if you go into your Dutch oven and think hard enough and do do like these deductions you can eventually like access the mind of gods that that's where you get like Illuminism from it pretty it pretty much goes from like uh god monotheism to sun worship to this this anthropomorphized mythology then to worship ideas and eventually worship of intellect which would be like illuminism uh and it's pretty interesting because the Greeks don't have any original gods like the the Greeks the Greeks get their mythology from like the Egyptians and some of these like Indo-European steppe people things like that but like if you look at their chief gods like that they're based on idea like uranos that would be like space chronos time you know zeus like the the lesser heavens the sky you know like that you know that it's it's it's because you know they they they saw they saw like ideas as a vine they saw god as an idea that's pretty much what uh Plato's world of forms is about so yeah do i'll I'll need to I'll need to go back and change what what I'm sharing yeah yeah because I I just moved the screen over so I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to change all right you you guys can go ahead and interject I'm gonna make sure like everything's in order before I pull this up is there if you if there's anything you guys want to say that's Brug anything I'm I'm good man I'm I'm just listening yeah yeah just letting you wrong mate all right all right so this is interesting shit yeah so like let before before I end up showing this I just want to like cover cover a little bit of ground so if if the hypothesis if the hypothesis that you know there's they're uh they have this um that they're getting their stuff from like um mythologizing some kind of uh oral tradition that's uh you know based on the Genesis accounts that you see um if you do that like because because one of the okay so back to what I was saying about the documentary hypothesis um and back to what I was saying about Genesis not necessarily being written in chronological order if you if you read if you read Genesis one um it's focused on the god the gods god's name Elohim and it gives like a bird's eye view of creation all right but then once you get into Genesis which the the the documentary hypothesis people will say oh well see like that's a redaction from another time and like the these come from different traditions that are then just sloppily cobbled together like even though there is just like a a wonderful harmony between the two you know that like that it just it just doesn't make sense that we put together like that but that that's that's essentially what they say but like the there are differences though because what what you're looking at is like you're looking at one view of creation then for the second one you're looking at a more intimate view of creation where like it's more Focus on humanity, and that that's why that's why, like, you get the focus on the covenant God there, because he's he's like making Adam from the clay, breathing life into them. It's like you don't you don't get that in Genesis 1. But yeah, so it's like, all right, if if they're basing gods off this, if they're basing gods off this, what what what are you what are you gonna expect to look for? What are you gonna expect to look for? So, like you're gonna have you're gonna you're gonna have a spiritual creator that would be Elohim. You're also gonna have so remember, like in the beginning, God created the heavens of earth, but then there was like this formless void. What you actually see in these early religions is like this formless void actually being deified, then you have the spirit on the waters, you have the spirit on the waters being um being deified as well. Then you have like the remember, like the the word the word is associated with light, like let there be light, all right. You have you have that being deified also. I was just going over that a little bit. So then later on, later on, when you start having Yahweh coming up, because it's using different, it's using different like um words for the same God, you have another God coming around. So you have a spiritual creator, then you end up you end up having a uh another god making making man out of uh clay and the dust. And the the Egyptians, the Egyptians end up like merging aspects of this, and they end up they end up uh splitting it up. So oh yeah, and then because because I'm not going to because I'm not gonna get into like the the Babylonian thing, that would take that would take um way too much time. Um so when it comes to Horus, because you were asking about that where Horus comes from. So Tama's Tama's the Osiris figure. I think that comes from Abel. So where where does um what where does Horace come from? Well, like you have you have so Horus he becomes this kind of uh he he's known he's known for going up to the sky, he's known for going up the sky, he's he's known for like having having like close access to um the chief god, and he's known he's known for being a bridge from like one world to the other, and he's also kind of like this um prophet figure because like later on to actually be based on Horus, and like Toth, Toth is like this this this messenger god that like Hermes becomes based on and things like that. I'll tell you who that fits with. That fits with Enoch. Enoch, who like his Enoch's name literally means initiated one, like if you look at the Hebrew, and um yeah, like it just it it's if it's if if he's if he's taken up in the sky and he's this prophet figure that's that's known for walking with the creator, it's like he's obviously he's he's obviously not just doing this in isolation, like he's he's gonna be pretty famous for this stuff, and yeah, that that's actually I I think I think that he ended up getting deified and ended up getting like mer merged with the uh word or or the light figure, all right. And then uh so you you get you get Mesopotamian, you get Mesopotamian variations of this. It's like um, you know, you have you have uh Enki. Enki is the the god that like ends up breathing clay into people that would be based on the Genesis 2 god, but then like you have uh Enlil. Enlil is like the bad god, but he's a spiritual one. He's like he's like trying to uh he's trying to like uh judge humanity for like making too much noise. And oh my gosh, like your your population's getting out of control, and oh my gosh, we need to we we're gonna create these uh cycles of disaster to uh keep you in line, right? And and that things, things like that. You know, it's because you're you're gonna you're gonna see like echoes of this and like this this merging and and and splitting up of different aspects of the of God and different figures, and then and then they they end up getting merged with other figures. Like I think, I think like, yeah, like I said, I think I think Enlil, I think Enlil is um, you know, based on Genesis 1 depiction of God, then Enki would be a mix of like Enoch and also and also um Genesis 2 God. And what's pretty interesting that this actually gets back into why I put um the Tower of Babel much later. Okay, so um this is this is getting a little bit off topic, but I I will be able to tie this back into the Kings List chart that I put together. So um if you go to like shoot, I listen to audio Bible, so I don't always get the um I don't always get the chapter verse right, but I think around like Genesis 13, 14, 15, you have um you have uh the these these people from Sumeria, the Sumerian region, coming coming to um attack the Amorites and also um Salem, which is where Melchizedek was head, what was being was being held, and you know Abraham Abraham ends up going to war with them and helping the Amorites. So what's interesting is this would be like Azure Sin. So something sin. So I'm I'm really bad, I'm really bad at pronouncing it pronouncing these old names, but it seems to me like um this would have been a remnant, this would have been like essentially the Akkadian Empire, and this would be like because remember, sign was deified. Sin would be the son of Canaan, he ends up being deified. So when you when you go over to Genesis uh 10 and it talks about the power of Babel, it says it's made on the plains of Shinar. I believe that's being named for um Sin. And then also it says Nimrod begat Kush. So it seems it seems to me like Nimrod would be like because it says it says like if you look at if you look at the Genesis 10 table of nations and like who's who's mentioned there and things like this, um, it says so-and-so is a son of so-and-so is a son of, but when it gets Nimrod, it just says um Nimrod Nimrod be begat. So it looks to me like um Nimrod would have been a bastard child of Cush, and he would have had an affair with a um Sinite woman who would have been descended from uh Canaan. All right. And you know, so he would have been he would have been this person who would have felt um disgruntled and slighted by society. And it talks about how he's a mighty hunter. So at this time, at this time, you would have had like Shem, Noah, Japheth, these people still alive. They would have been holding the peace. And after after Noah dies, he probably saw an opportunity. He probably had Canaan, who was his relative, whispering in his ear because he was like a mighty man of notoriety. They they were they already like making legends about him. So it looks to me like he had a band of um hunters and other other young men who were like unsatisfied with life, felt slighted, felt disgruntled. So they pretty much have like the first Marxist revolution, like over overthrow society. They they they took things over, made the first army, and um it looks to me like uh Shem and Japheth, they were still alive, and they were pretty outraged by that. And that would have been the Akkadian Empire. Okay, so who who takes down the Akkadian Empire? You would have had the Amorites who are working with Shem who would be Melchizedek, but you also had from the north, there's these people, there's these people called the Gutians. Look into the Gutians or the Guti. Um, they're they're described a lot of times they're described as like blonde hair and um blue eyes, but they definitely didn't have a written language. Like like you you have local Mesopotamians, like when they come in and conquer, they're complaining about how the these people don't, these people aren't like well known, don't don't really know our irrigation system that well, and our our logistics is uh falling apart, and we have a bunch of people um starving. Well, like that that fits with uh Germanic culture, and they they because they wouldn't have a written language, it's like their their religion in history was through songs. So they'd be uh they'd be they'd be coming into a cod, they'd be mowing people down, just just like the Vikings. It'd be like, yo ho, yo ho hee ho, the blood, the fire, the ice, the snow, the boop, boop, boop, just kid just killing people, getting drunk around the campfire. It's it seems it seems to me like um what what was going on is you had um them Shem and Japheth pretty much get together, going like, well, this is this is a monstrosity, and they might have had like this this little plan to send to send like different waves in at different times. And the Amorites who would have been who would have been Hamites, they would have been cooperating with Shem because it seems to me like um when when Noah set up that world order around um Shem's priesthood, it seems to me like the Hamites were actually going along with it, and like Nimrod would have been the first one to like start um overthrowing that. But what's what's interesting is um you know Shem Shem is associated with this uh shepherd priestly person, and Japheth is associated with like this warrior king. But like look at look at Ashro and Andra, and you have other examples of this. Like you you have these um two figures, one one's a shepherd priest, and the other is a warrior king archetype, and they end up having these differences, but they end up uh getting together to uh pretty much save the world. You know, that that's that's that that's what like when you look at those figures. I I think I think what you're looking at actually is like a re a retelling of Shem and Japheth and their their civilizational orders, pretty much like, hey, look, we don't we don't want to let this like illegitimate thing get out of hand and pretty much like ruin the world, you know. That's uh that's that's that's what I think that's what I think you're looking at. Okay, so let me let me see if um I can uh end up end up uh getting into this. All right, yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go. Okay, let me let me do the screen share coming up. Well, unless unless there's something that you guys want to interject, I can go ahead and uh let you guys say something while I set this up.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:29

No, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:29

Oh, yeah. Keep it keep it rolling. Gary, you got anything, Gary? Deep thoughts from this guy. All right, keep it rolling then.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:40

All right, yeah. So this is this is from um this is from input. So remember, I was talking about atum atum. It's so you know, it sounds very similar to Adam, but this is also God. So yeah, like you have him coming from the waters, all right. He he finishes, and this like atum ends up getting uh merged, merged with Ra later on, but yeah, it's it's you know, you have you have overlapping, you have overlapping etymology, all right. So then uh okay. So pita, ptah, think think about that's that ends up becoming like um the first um Genesis 2 god who makes from clay. Now, this isn't in Genesis.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:29

Sorry, Mike, you wanna you might want to just can you zoom in just a little bit because people viewing it might be a little small for some people, especially if they're on a case. How do I do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:39

Um you could do control plus or crap, how do I exit full screen without AK?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:49

Unless you're on a Mac. Are you on a Mac you can use your so plus?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:55

Let me try that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:57

Or you can go to like screen or view and then it should say zoom in.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:07

Uh plus no zoom, okay. There might be a zoom button. I I'm really bad at that. Are you are you on an Apple or um No, I'm on a AMD Radeon or a Rhizine or R R Y Z E N.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:27

Is that with Windows?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:28

Yes. Let me I'm sure there's a way to zoom.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:39

Yeah, it should be. It says hold control and press plus.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:42

Control and plus. There we go. Now is that more visible?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:48

Yeah, there we go. Way better. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:52

Yeah, so okay, so um remember what I was saying about Tubalcane. He was he was the uh craftsman guy. He so he would have been well known, he would have been well known for like um architecture and um weapons, things like that. That's actually who who I think like you get the Gnostic Demiurge, the craftsman from, but also um that that would be that would be merged with the variation of God from Genesis 2. Because, okay, so like I said, this this detail wouldn't be in Genesis because you don't you don't have you don't have God spitting on spitting on dust to make it into clay, but the idea would be like um that he spits on the ground and he makes the ground wet to roll it into clay, and then um you you end up make making that mold and then you breathe life into that. So ptah, like ptah, like think about if you're spitting, like like you know that that's why it's patah, it's the god who spits. But yeah, like that. It's it's it's pretty it's pretty interesting, like how that how that etymology works.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

So then what I was saying with like and in the cult of pitah, like in Memphis, like the the the right, the the ceremony was the opening of the mouth ceremony. Yeah, that was yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:06

Like that was like how they invoked patah, and you know, like um you know, like the site cycle of like death and rebirth is the opening of the mouth, you know, like the literally like well then another another thing that ties into it, which like makes me think there might be something in some kind of oral tradition that might have that might have like developed that is um when when uh there's there's a couple there's a couple of variations because remember like the the gospels are recording a lot of times the same events, but they emphasize different things. So some people will say, look, Jesus just waves his hand and heals heals a person, a blind person here, but another time he s make makes like spits and rub rubs in their eye. Like, yeah, so it's like you you have you actually have like Jesus doing something like that, and that's like symbolizing new life too, which you know that that that makes me think that makes me think that the Egyptians are just like corrupting something that's like real. All right. Yeah, but then it's like you know, shoo, you have you have um that that's like that's like a deification of the void that you end up finding. So like all since you have the screen, it's like you guys can look up all this. I I was thinking, I was thinking about like um pulling up the Wikipedia page where it's like I can I can click click on it and get a deep, but then uh it's because like if I do that, um if I have a couple windows open, here's what's gonna happen. Um, I'm gonna get lagged out for like what was happening when I had a bunch of windows open when I called and the before the show started. So that's why I'm not doing it that way. So then uh Tefnut, Tefnut, remember, like I was saying the spirit becomes feminine. So there there you go. That's that's the um that's the spirit on the waters, and that also becomes a like because remember, like the the light, the let there be light, that would that would be like chronologically similar, like in if like if like someone's recounting something and then like they're writing down an oral tradition, it makes sense that like you'll you'll have the um light being merged with the primordial waters, and that'll become a goddess figure. Because for for some reason, I I speculate on the reason for that. The spirit, the holy spirit becomes uh feminized, so then um, yeah, then then you end up then you end up having Geb. You know, so the these serpent gods. What's interesting is you know, the the serpent in Genesis, he's you know, uh God doesn't want you to know. I'm going to show you the real truth. And then all these serpent cults, it's the exact same thing. It's like they're they're promising them kind of like esoteric knowledge. There might there might be a sense of apotheosis, like, oh, follow, follow me, and um I'll I'll be able to share share with you the secrets of immortality. Oh, one more thing. Um, so because because that map I showed earlier was in Egypt, it actually does look like both Cain and Set. It looks to me like Cain and Set, they both had they both had a presence in Egypt, all right. So he he so if you think about this, think about this, it makes sense. Um, because because it seems to me like the like the the Egyptian book of the dead and where they get all these like mad magician ceremonies comes from a lot of it comes from pre-flood traditions. Why why might that be? Well, if Cain kills Abel, if not if Cain kills Abel, he's gonna and he's living long. Well, he he's gonna have that on his conscience. Like he he's he he committed the first murder. So what I think actually happened is toward the end of his life, you know, they they were already starting to like get into high culture, and they're like, oh wow, like like we have high culture accounts of biblical history. Because remember, like Genesis doesn't really talk about the civilizations at all, but there's the same kind of human nature is the same, human nature is the same. So like they're they're already turning, they're they're gonna be turning the superstition because they they have like urbanization, prosperity, and that that ends up like the you know, you you end up having like uh atheistic or um we weird pagan tendencies with with stuff like that more than you have in like rural places. So it seems to me like Cain was getting paranoid about dying, then around the time he was dying, it's like you had these wizards come up and say, Oh, well, if if we do this, this, and this, then it's like, hey, you you can be fine. So it's like it's it's like if if you look at like the Egyptian death ceremonies, it's like like telling your soul and your heart not to like tell tell on the gods and the afterlife for you. And it's like if God judges the heart and you you fear judgment, well, that explains like the the embalming ritual where like they take away your heart. And then also it's like, well, if if you're afraid of going into some kind of judgment, then well, you know, you end up you end up getting instructions like here here go through these ceremonies and you're gonna reincarnate the right way. And if you miss this step, maybe maybe you're actually gonna be reincarnated with like two heads or or a retard baby arm on your side, like literally, like that. I don't have citations pulled up from that in there, but you end up seeing some uh you end up seeing some silliness and stuff like that in like these Egyptian ceremonies. All right. So then remember what I said though. Remember what I said, like Kanan, Kanan would be the um wizard figure. And if you have babble happen, if you have babble happen and you have you have like words, you you can expect you can expect like um K's and C's to mix up, like N's and M to sometimes mix up, but it does it does seem to me like Kanam would be this sort of wizard figure that's also merged with the god of Genesis 2. And can't that so the Hamites, the Hamites who would have followed Canaan into this occultism, they're gonna be the ones to um they're gonna be the ones to end up deifying these um canites also, because the canites were the ones going off into these weird cults first. And actually, it does seem to me like Sethites actually like went even further into the esoteric mysteries and with like Nephilim cults. Because here's the thing, um, the Canaites were making weapons, but they weren't like so. I I do believe that like Nephilim are actually from like people doing rituals, make make babies with angelic beings or demonic beings, and you have giants like there's actually there they're acting obviously it's like maybe it's all fabricated because I've only read about this online, but it's like I have read about like multiple findings of like giant bones in places. Maybe it's all just made up, but it's like we have we have depictions of giants, and then if you're not sure, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:58

I think what do you have? Okay, here's here's what you have though.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:00

Like in so in Genesis 6, what do you have? What do you have? You have sons of God taking daughters, daughters for wives, and they produce Nephilim. Then what do you have? You don't really have you don't really have an um the the only the only counterexample I can think of this might be Beowulf, but you don't you don't have like female fallen angel or demon figures making giant babies from human men. You you usually have it's usually a witch, it's usually a witch who's bringing down some god or some demonic being. And you even have this in Beowulf too, because remember, like the final boss of Beowulf is a dragon who's like um Beowulf going to this witch, fallen angel demon, and he they uh he ends up getting seduced by her, and like they they make a demon baby that's a dragon, but you have the exact you have you have the you have like the opposite too. It's like Grendel, Grendel came from like a demon, and she was like a witch, but you you always end up getting like um this uh oh yeah, then then like. um the Greek mythology it's like Zeus Zeus becomes a bull and ends up raping someone so here's something interesting it here's something interesting you end up having the bowl of heaven coming up so when you when do you when do you see the it might it might be somewhere in this chart actually if I get to the bowl of heaven there we go bull ha hey Thor you know so that this I think comes from a pre-flood position uh a pre-flood tradition where um these fallen angels would have been um because if if you look at angels in the Bible it's like they have some human characteristics some animal characteristics I think what this was was actually like it was it was like a bull human hybrid and it was straight up like having sex women because if you look if you look at the pictures of the giants these animal hybrids like go to gobleki tepe go to Egyptian hyglyphs go to cave paintings huh can you hear me yeah oh sorry I thought I might cut out yeah but go to all these things what you have is you have these um you have these uh human animal hybrids but they have massive penises and they look really horny like like really like yeah I don't think I don't think that's a coincidence so what I think what I think I think happened what happened is um oh all right so don't I don't have this chart laid out because this this goes on like way more than each I consider to be Japhethites okay oh yeah then then then also it's like you you'd have the storm god with Baal right because ball ball got as like the bowl of heaven similar to Hothor mixed with um a thunder god a storm god well it wasn't thunder at first like the thunder thunder would have went thunder would have been when this went up north but okay what's this going up north so what I think went up north actually what I think went up north actually is um if you go to the book of job so Elijah the Tevite in the book of Job if if you look at the etymology that is Esau's eldest son Esau so job would have been the same time that Melchizedek who Abraham met probably a little bit after he died okay so Melchizedek was Shem there there would have been need for a high priest so why why is um why is Satan going to God to say oh is this man really upright well he it's because it's because this this is the guy that God is choosing to be the high priest and Satan wants to prove God wrong that's I think is going on because like once once you get to the end of Job once you get the end of Job he like job ends up making atonement for like all those people there and he ends up becoming king of um he king and king of an area that would be around like northern Saudi Arabia southern Jordan because you know if if he's if he's bodied Esau's son that's gonna be that's gonna be what becomes Edom. But what I think happened is he he was he's sort of like the intermere intermediary high priest between Shem so he he would have so it seems to be like Job actually would have been the son of a fraxed who would have been the son of Shem. So Job would have actually been like a a later descendant of a much earlier generation. So I think he was actually living longer because he had um less genetic deterioration even though he would have been born around a similar time to like Esau or his son because it does it does talk about like him him living longer than other people at the time and you know if if that's going on that's literal well that you know that that kind of account of genetic deterioration from what I was talking about earlier would um make sense of that. But anyways where where do you get where do you get this uh thunder god like Zeus turning into a bull but he's also a thunder god what what I think what I think what I think is happening is um at the end of Job God appears in the whirlwind and the thunder so what I think happens is word of that got out it spread it spread up north to Canaan and Turkey then that that ended up getting smashed with the uh bowl of heaven ended up becoming gods like ball and later on you got Zeus because that that becomes that becomes a storm god and you have you have Zeus also taking all these Nephilim characteristics where he goes around and um impregnates women to make like these uh demigod babies but yeah I actually I actually think I actually think that goes back to like job at that time and like you're looking at another appearance of God being made into this this kind of mythological figure that's not there. But yeah so any interjection there because I'm I I gotta I gotta track a little bit because I was trying to look for the um I was trying to look for the bull god no no no I'm I'm good we can uh we can we can go for another like 25 minutes or so so um yeah keep going my friend I mean I just I just I just qualify that like yeah I mean when you're when you're talking about like the giants and you know like like Zeus you know making these like Nephilim you know hybrid kind of you know you look at like uh like Hercules or um you know like who was basically like a giant like uh you know like the the strongest like you know person on earth you know um is a like a human god hybrid but like in um you know like in North America like they there were like giant skeletons that were you know unearthed specifically like in these Indian mounds there's a there's a lot of like historical records you know in in newspapers you know from like you know the 1800s and things like this of where people you know in you know North America were like discovering these you know skeletons of you know uh humans or whatever you know um that were like seven plus feet tall you know there were really like unprecedented you know amongst like the the native um you know populations here they didn't have people that were that tall but you know there there were like actual skeletal remains and that's when you had like you know the the Smithsonian was being um you know founded and you know that they were like usurping like these these remains and that they were you know taking them into the Smithsonian collections and like you know presumably they're still there but there are there are like actual um you know like hundreds and hundreds of uh you know like archived newspaper records from you know mostly like the eastern and midwestern United states you know where where it correlates with these mound sites where there were like actual like giant you know skeletal remains I mean it's just yeah they have six fingers yeah yeah they have six fingers and and red hair uh you know like like they they found actual like you know hair that had been preserved that was like bright red you know which was not that's that's that's how the giants in Kandahar were described that the US troops ran into an Afghanistan also but also also like you know they're there if fallen angels are off the animal hybrids what why do you have all of like why are a lot of times giants like you have Yetis you have Sasquatch you have oh shoot there's other there's other ones and other other areas but it's like oh then then then in like journey the west you have the monkey king like he he's like this is this demigod that's like a like a hairy ape yeah like it it it it it all just it all just like adds up it's like I can't tell you why they look like that but like if if that's going on well it seems like a lot of people record it and it seems like we find evidence of this later remains but of course if you like look up AI like the fact check wrong the Smithsonian debunked it well yeah that's that's like it's because like this the Smithsonians doing the exact same thing that the World Economic Forum's doing in go Blackie Tepe like it's so oh yeah and what one thing though I think it's interesting so so like okay you have you have a lot of references to Araratu the Arat civilization and in um in uh uh Anu Anu would be so new right here that he he's the god of the waters remember that what they're gonna say is oh it's just the Nile flood and that's all it is but um in in the in the um mesopotamian version it's Anu of Araratu and then there's like Nana so nana is supposedly like his um sister but it's it but she she's like credited as being like the the like child rearer or midwife for all of humanity it seems to me like that that's noah and his wife being deified eventually nana gets merged with sign so here's what I think's going on with that nana goes from being like this midwife goddess to being sign because remember nimrod is part sinite and he's taking over shinar which is named for the sinite so what I think is going on is him and canon are trying to suck up the sinites and this would be right after sign died so like oh yeah well you know what you guys are part of this royal line too so we're gonna we're gonna make make him the moon god that's actually that's what I think is going on with that like and and I if you if you like it sounds silly but like if you understand human psychology you can actually see how that would work and win those people over because I think what's going on is I think he was it seems to me like a lot of those people actually left because like think about the etymology to like sign sinok sinai peninsula sign china seems to me like a lot of those people went to southern China and even some of them would have gone over gone over the land bridge and gone to Mesoamerica because there's actually some interesting overlap in genetics between southern Chinese and like certain people in Mesoamerica and that's why like you have these all mixed actually so okay so Nimrod would have been Kushites so you would have Kushites in the regions and Kushites produce Bantu some of these black people then you go down to Mesoamerica you have people with some of these like South Asian traits but also some of these African traits I think I think that um the Sumerians became the Mesoamericans and that's why they have ziggurats and that's why like the Sumerians and um Mesoamericans are literally the only two people in our core civilization to have um to practice um living human sacrifice and it's like you have overlapping god like you have the whiz you have the serpent the the wisdom serpent you have the sun god it's like you you have all you have all the same kind of figures but but yeah like it's it's it's funny it's funny though because like what once I start well I I can't show you all things in the king's list right now because it's like that's way too pull up and that they'll be way all over the place but like it's what once you like read between the lines and you understand human nature it's like you can actually think of some pretty funny but plausible scenarios for like okay why are these why why we're merging these gods politically motivated yeah but but um so oh another thing another thing it's so Anu Anu um there's a variation where um you know where where you get the Anunnaki coming from the sky and they're related to Anu who be based on Noah there's a variation where it's not a flood all right it's um it's um the the ark comes down from the sky but it's it's said to be on air rat also or araratu. So here's what I think happened here's what I think happened I think um they they they take these these propagandists would take people to Mount Ararat and they'd say see there's there's an arc on a mountain oh my gosh yeah there is how did that get there it must have come from the sky so all our other bull crap must be true too I can totally see it I can totally see it working like that so then yeah remember remember I showed you the uh the the eight on the boat yeah so what's really interesting what's really interesting is um Herodotus actually Herodotus actually mentions that like when he when he inquired the Egyptians like what their most famous uh pantheon was there there is the Ogduad but there's also a group of 12 gods so you know the Ogduad that would be that would be um noah shhamham japhith but let me see if I can let me see if this this was included in my inputs because I put in a bunch of crap I put in a bunch of crap nope nope it didn't include that all right yeah this is fast forwarding because I meant I meant to just say a little bit on pre-flood and like early flood period but there's another group of 12 gods um and um this would be around the time shoot shoot shoot what's the guy's name man i'm so bad with these these other language names but there is one god who there's debate not god there is one pharaoh there's debate on if he came before or after moses i think he came before moses but he was famous for um trying to um make egypt monotheistic under ra so why why why would that happen well okay if you go to genesis joseph goes down he marries in with the the high priestly line all right so it makes sense out of that time period you're gonna have pushes to monotheism so what i think happened is um the that that this guy would have been a pharaoh right before the egy the the israelites were put into captivity and he would have been trying to reform things so then um like you you actually have um so when it comes to the group of 12 gods that's not included here you actually have the egyptians talking about how like once you betray these 12 gods things start going um downhill for egypt so what i what i think what i think is going on there is like when i was talking about the kings they like had a bunch of these a bunch of these pharaohs who were only around for like 90 or 80 uh 80 years or so then they all decline with when you when you have like this this 11 years of famine what part of what i think they're doing is like filling up missing gaps of history to like rem remove record of the israelites being there and i think there's actually i used to disagree i used to used to think that the hyksos were canonite stuff but has had a very prominent role over um oh over um egypt if if you look at genesis and then okay what i was thinking is um one of the reasons why i was thinking might be canites that are the hyksos is um if you look at if you look at uh genesis it's calling egyptians one thing but like it never calls pharaoh egyptian so that means that means that pharaoh must be something else why why is why is that well actually um egypt would have been like multi-ethnic and um the coptics would have been the newcomer so i what i think you actually had going on is you had you had the um the coptics start start centralizing things certain parts and then once you had the famine it's like they they had this they had the storehouses and the the coptics and the israelites kind of partnered and came to prominence but then eventually like the coptics and other other egyptians who betray the israelites and put them in captivity but yeah like I I used to think it was Canaanites and I I don't I don't have time to get into all the evidence that I see for this but there there are there is some like interesting there is some interesting etymology going on there um but yeah yeah it seems to me like the eight gods are based on um you know the the eight survivors of the ark and the 12 gods would be um based on uh the the descendants of Israel essentially uh because they they were all taking prominent position and also it's like if you compare the lifespans it's like though those people descended from the Israelites like they were they were living around like 120 years back then but if you look at the Egyptians they were like at most living to about 70 years old so it's like hey hey wait wait a second why are you living so much longer in us oh you must be gods like that that's another thing that can make sense i already I already went over that yeah so then ISIS remember what I was saying about the morning of um remember what I was saying about the the the the morning over tamus you you see you see a lot of overlap with these figures going back pre-flood but you're not gonna see that with like supposedly like semiramus or nemus who's supposedly Nimrod a bunch of bullcrap like that there's there's there's no evidence and there's there's no evidence there's not even evidence I'm like if you if you talk to these people who push the Bill Cooper and um and uh uh Alex Hislip theory about mystery Babylon and like oh that the Catholic church because here's the thing like if you follow logic of Hislop where the Catholic church gets all of a sudden paganism that's gonna knock out Protestantism too like pro Protestantism can't be true.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:28

And now one thing I want to say is like one of the one of the reasons I came across this stuff is because like I was like hey I believe the Vatican's involved sorry sorry Mikey so when I was posting I'm like sorry Mikey cut out there out of context you cut you cut out there you can hear me now yeah you're good now but when you started saying I think you were saying you believe the Vatican is involved in I think that's what you were saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:03

I could be wrong no I was saying the Vatican's involved with conspiracies but it's like with the toxic internet environment it's like there can be a debate bro culture where it's like yeah yeah here here you Catholics I'm gonna I'm gonna post this stuff to dunk on you like here's here's Alex Hisleff and like I had some Catholics come and they say like hey um you know there's you're you're there there's a lot of misunderstandings here um you know this this is saying that Baal was a sun god and that these sun gods are based off Nimrod but it's like there there's no proof that sun gods came from Nimrod and there's there's no proof that Baal was a sun god to begin with like that that's how sloppy the scholarship can get like all these chief gods are high level gods they get lumped in with Nimrod then even though there's no evidence of them being sun gods you have people on X you end up following these people like just repeating it and I was in the echo chamber for a while but eventually it's like I was like hey you know what I'm actually gonna listen to you Catholics and I'm gonna investigate this sure sure enough they were right I looked for primary sources I couldn't find anything I couldn't find anything what's like ball ball being a and look look through the truth through space on X look at how many people are going to call ball a sun god it's it's ridiculous there's the no no evidence for it whatsoever but they're gonna say it with the utmost utmost confidence evidence like like back to what I was saying ISIS is associated with Osiris and um we you know if if able's murdered and that's like the first travesty and then also you have like mentions of able's blood of blood crying out for vengeance and also like if if there's this idea of the resurrection well it makes sense that after a game of telephone you're you're gonna have um you're gonna have people de slowly deifying that then they look at the seasons be like oh my gosh like yeah like the the seasons this the stars seasons are given for signs but then like instead of instead of like letting it point to um what what I'd see as a prophecy of Christ they end up like inverting it to be based on legendary figures that have already come and gone so like you you get this you get this like constant cycle of dying and rising gods instead of like the rising seasons and the solstice and things like that pointing to like the death and resurrection of Christ which I tried to say like this the stars and seasons are um meant to point to from a Christian worldview. Yeah so then um yeah so that that goes this this goes to what I was getting at with um Horace but I've already covered that there's the um bowl of heaven all right so there's actually some I didn't get this when I was talking about Hammurabi um being uh the the tower of battle being built under Hammurabi but so remember what I said earlier um so this this amoun could be could uh there could very well be a variation of um ham it's it seems to me like amoon didn't even come until post-flood and uh chemet like Hamet it's it seems to me like that's that's being named after either land of Ham or Ham's wife because like sometimes in when you refer to people's wives um it would be added to the end and it seems to me like Ham's wife was probably actually buried in Egypt and that might be why it's named but also it could be called land of Ham and uh if you look at the Bible like the Egypt Egypt is often called the uh land of Ham also so either one either one of those could probably work and the etymology actually fits especially like if you if you look at how um like like ha like how how how that can that can overlap but yeah um so back back to what I was saying though back to what I was saying though um about Hammurabi Hammurabi also just means Hama's great ham is king and he he would have been an Amorite so remember um what I was saying about the amorites overthrowing the Akkadians so I I I was about to get to this but I have so much from my mind that it's hard to get through all this so um after after the um after the flood after the flood you're gonna have a uh an ice age then you're gonna have smaller floods come after that when the ice age ends and that that that is why in certain places you have myths of there being um there being like secondary floods or smaller floods that like take away mountains and then the mountains become islands especially when you go over to like the India region where it's like you had you had a lot of people like living on these islands and they they kept getting pushed into India and but then then while that was going on like they formed languages and cultures and that that's one of the reasons why like India has so many different languages and cultures um but they they around then um since they were pushing back the dates of the flood And um they were trying to legitimize themselves because remember what I was saying about Mesopotamian religion. It's like things are fatalistically determined by the stars, and um God God is a God is a bad guy, he's he's displeased with um like a few people's activity because one of the reasons for the flood in there was uh too much noise and overpopulation. Like, literally, this is where like theosophy in the United Nations gets their depopulation cult stuff from. Like they're they're reading these like ancient Mesopotamian, this ancient Mesopotamian bull crap, and they're like, wow, there's something to this. So maybe maybe we like need eugenics. Yeah, like the these guys would come up with like abortion cults and like the proto-trans surgery, like cutting off penises to make eunuchs and stuff to like um like like pretty much pretty much like practice eugenics and stuff like this. But um, what one of the things they were saying is that that hey, the the flood, yeah, that this this is a 600-year cycle. So if the flood happened around 2600 and uh hammer hammurabi would be around the uh 1700s, and that actually seems to me when the Tower of Babel happened, it would have been it would have actually been the same time that um uh the the the famine was happening, the famine was starting, um Joseph's famine in Egypt, it would have it would have been it would have actually been um around that time. And the the reason for that is um you you can see in these ancient texts like them talking about these 600-year cycles, eventually that'll be like when that doesn't come, it gets blown up to 1200, and eventually like you you get uh that that's where the dates for like the Mayan calendars come, also for like what why the world's going to be set to end, because it's like it doesn't happen, keep pushing up the date, keep pushing up the date, keep pushing up the date, because like they're they they think everything's fatalistically determined and determined by like these cycles. So yeah, that and there I'm not saying there aren't any cycles, but it's like um a lot of a lot of the reasons why you have a lot of these far-fetched dates is because like these people notice some of these patterns, but they make inferences that they can't prove. And then um, when that doesn't happen, it's like, oh, well, maybe like just like just like when people predict the second coming of Jesus or the rapture, and it's like, oh well, I got I got these things wrong, so let me change they are also also a QAnon, like Q and Q said that Donald Trump is going to be reinstated on March March 17th, 2021. Oh, that didn't happen. Never mind. Q meant Q meant uh March 25th, and right never mind, wait a minute. Yeah, yeah, it would have it would have been it would have been uh the exact same thing. Yeah, so then that's what I was that's what I was here. Here's what I was saying about toth. So toath would have come later. It seems to me like toth would have been like a merger of um Enoch, Enoch, and also okay, Nmarker too. So one of the things, one of the things that you'll see people say Nimrod is one of the popular theories about Nimrod is Nimrod was N marker, and the reason for that is because if you go on the Mesopotamian Kings list, Nmarker is the third down. And there are there are some areas in which N marker does overlap with Nimrod, but what they're assuming is um they're assuming Ham is King One, Cook should be King Two, then um Nimrod would be King Three, and that lines up with N Marker, but like N marker and N refers to priests, and like N Marker is credited as being the one to invent written language. So actually, like I think I think this is a uh pre-flood figure, and like if if you look between like the etymology of uh n marker and mercury, there there's actually there's actually some like overlap there. So it's it seems to me like Toth and Mercury being part um based on this guy who would have invented um or would have been credited with inventing written language, and also um if if you go with the Masoretic timeline, N Marker would have been between um 5,300 years ago and 4700 years ago. That's that's way too early for the flood, too. But like a lot of a lot of slab, they'll they'll they'll they'll go ahead and claim that up. Enmarker is actually Nimrod. Yeah, but you said you said you wanted to end this, and um uh like uh so is there is there anything else you want to add? Because um, yeah, I I already covered pretty much everything major.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:25

If you yeah, if there's anything else you want to add, if you want to take like another five minutes, but I mean if if you think uh we're good here, uh we can wrap it up now.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:36

Well, yeah, so pretty, pretty much, pretty much what I wanted to do. So I I plan on next time getting getting more organized, like maybe actually pulling up myths to get into because part of what I was doing is I wanted to go off the top of my head and maybe just have this table to go on. But it's like I kept on thinking about more and more things, like, oh, what about this? This is how it relates to this, this is how it relates to this. But it's like it got a little bit all over the place. It's like I hope I was able to tie everything back in and make it make sense. But it's like there's there's so much going on that's like um related to all this. So it's like if if I'm going around saying things like if I'm going around saying things like, oh, well, I actually I think two ball cane was based in Lagash, you know, it's like I have more reasons for saying that, which I can't get into because it's like I don't have everything pulled. But yeah, like that next time I might I might do it more more um organized like that and like focus on specific things because it's like if you if you look at these kings lists, if you look at these kings lists and like you you compare some of them a Genesis and let's like the ones that line up with it more, you you don't find as many logical holes, but then let's like you start comparing those ones to like the Egyptian king's list and the Sumerian kings list, it's like you can straight up see like, okay, I can tell you're making something up there, I don't know what it is. And then like once once you start looking more into like the biblical records, extra biblical records, it's like you can you can start like seeing, oh wow, like I can I can see why the the ruling class would have interests in lying about and covering up this, this, and this over here. Yeah, it's just it's it's some it's something that I've been I've been thinking about since 2022 when I started like looking into some of like Bill Cooper and Alex Hislip's claims. And what I want to say is that like um it's it's it's the the reason why I start going down this line of investigation is because um I was I was approaching the this research from the position of an echo chamber where it's like here here's the gurus that know everything and have exposed everything, like Bill Cooper. So I'm gonna go with what they're saying. Oh my gosh, these Catholics pushing back against it. Well, hey, I know the Vatican did these bad things, so they of course they're gonna want to cover and lie for it. It's like, no, it's like even even if you think people might be wrong about certain points of doctrine or history here and there, it's like that doesn't mean they're gonna be wrong about everything else. It's like if you're if you're one of these Protestants that's convinced the Jesuits run everything or something, you're still gonna want to listen to Catholics. It's like here think about it from this it's like you have blind spots, you have blind spots, you're gonna you're gonna believe some BS to like just just be honest with yourself. So Catholics, even even if you think the Catholic position is wrong, Catholics are going to have reason to want to look for holes in those criticisms. They're gonna have every reason to so it's like you don't want to be in an echo chamber, you want to have find accuracy. Well, you're gonna want to factor what those people have to say, right? Like that that's kind of where I'm coming at this from and what I want people to take away from it, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:41

Totally agree, totally agree with that, and and I actually I actually really appreciate you adding that, um, because that's something that we take seriously here on the show, and it's something that I worry about in my research. Uh no, not just my research, but just when I pull up any social media and see all the crazy talking heads that are out there. Um yeah, you gotta watch yourself. You gotta be careful, you gotta back check, back check, recheck. Uh, yeah, and definitely don't just take one person's word for it um all the time. You know, these these these personalities um kind of drive people to kind of cling on to them in the sense that that's the main person I listen to, uh, and and their word is kind of more golden over the other people I might listen to. And um, yeah, you just kind of gotta keep them an open as as open as an open mind as you can, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:47

That that that's why I compare it to a cult, like because if you have this framework where everything other than this narrow framework I get from these people is false, and how I know that, well, I know these people are right because look at how profound this is, look at how well everything fits. That that's like that's like religion. And if you look at how that's like religion, and like if you so if if you're if you're a Muslim, if you're a Muslim and someone attacks Muhammad, it makes sense that they're gonna take it as a personal attack, but it's a per like or a Christian, if someone insults Jesus, yeah. But like if if like someone if someone's going after the ideas of someone, you see people on social media having the same exact knee-jerk reaction, and it's like no matter what you say, no matter what point you bring up, we're not gonna go there. Guess what? How how am I able to pinpoint this? Because I've been there, and eventually I was like, you know what, I don't know it. I this person doesn't know everything. You know what? We're all just humans, so why don't I like listen to the people who would have every reason to want to find errors with what I'm saying and like get my head out of my ass, essentially?

SPEAKER_00 1:59:52

Fair enough, man. Mike King, uh, I appreciate the words you say and uh the reasons you have to say them. Um before you go, man, can you let everyone know where they can find you and any of your work?

SPEAKER_02 2:00:06

My my ex Mike the King 1517. Then I have my YouTube link there, but my my YouTube just goes by my name, but it's like my my first and last name are so common that like you're not gonna find it. Actually, just look up like look up like Michael King, Medici Mafia, or like something like that, and it'll come up. And yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:29

Man, well, uh, we'll be in touch, and uh yeah, we'd love to have you come back.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:34

All right, sounds good. Thanks for having me on, too.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:37

Okay, all the best. Take care, buddy. All right, take care. Well, man, that was great. Um Hadsburg, thank you for being here. Thanks for uh navigating the ship with me. Um before we go, why don't you uh let everyone know where they can find you on social media, man?

SPEAKER_01 2:00:56

Um my Twitter page is at accountable to me, uh Habsburg Jolly West. Um that's Gary. Where can we find Gary? Yeah, he may he makes it he makes his appearances now and again, you know. With the latest with Gary. Um, but uh yeah, he's it's it's it's food time for him, so he's just a little anxious. But it was cool. It was cool he made it onto the feed.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:27

Yeah, anytime he can come on anytime. Uh well thank you, and thanks to all the uh listeners, viewers, subscribers. Um, we are happy to say that we've kind of reached the first tier of monetization on YouTube now. Uh, I just applied for it, so we we should be able to get uh super chats uh next time uh during the next show. Um, so if anyone feels like they want to check that out, that will be an option. Um, so that is great. Um, we have some awesome shows booked over the next couple weeks. Uh, we got Ryan Dawson coming back, we have um uh myself and Hadsbergs coming back with Adam from the Truth Desk and William Ramsey on the 16th. Um on the 13th, we are going on JJ Vance's show uh on the 19th. We got Crow777 coming on, um yeah, and and a bunch bunch more that I just haven't finalized yet. So um yeah, it'll be a great great month. Um, so yeah, everyone stay tuned. Please subscribe obviously to the Divulgence Podcast on uh YouTube and Rumble. Um if you don't have a Rumble account, I suggest you make a Rumble account and subscribe. Uh there's a lot of other good content there that uh um some people just don't go to YouTube anymore because um you could do a lot more on Rumble, say what you want, do what you want. Um, and make sure to check out the links in the episode descriptions because we are sub we are um affiliated with Scott Horton Academy. You can go to Scott Horton Academy.com slash divulgence uh to check that out and get a discount. And also um we are affiliated with Ollie Damagard. Um, so please check out the details in the episode description. Otherwise, yeah, um, I hope you guys enjoyed the episode and um yeah, take care until next time. Uh all the best to you guys. Thanks again, Hasbro. Thanks.