#105: Discussions on the Occult, Consciousness, Spirituality w/ The Occult Rejects

I welcome The Occult Rejects, Nick and Jules, back to the show, this time, with more and new Rejects to meet - Brandon Lee and Headless Giant!

We have a very interesting talk, discussing spiritual warfare in the Iran War, whether or not Netanyahu is still alive, casinos being experimental mice cages, red and blue light, religious architecture, why being in church makes you feel things, why the Goddess Themis is blindfolded (not because justice is blind), Franz Bardon, antiquity, Chronos, Saturn, black cube symbolism, The Golden Ass, esoteric vs exoteric, Epstein, and retro causality. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Welcome back to Divulgence, everybody. Today we have the motherfucking occult rejects in the house. We have Jules and Nick back, and we also have Brandon Lee and Headless Giant joining us. Gentlemen, what's going on? So happy to have you here. Um before we get into anything, um, first I'd love for since it's your first time on the show, Brandon and Headless. I'd love for you guys to just take a minute if you'd like to introduce yourselves. Um, anything you want to talk about yourself and the kind of stuff you like to research. Uh, Brandon, why don't we start with you, man?

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Great. Um, thank you for having me on the show, Jordan. I am looking forward to always conversations like this. Everyone can head over to Megus in the media, YouTube, X, Instagram, TikTok. We're trying to take over the world because the archons are doing it before we do it, and we got to come at them with a community. This is how it gets done. I like to research all media of all kinds. I'm a huge nerd, so I love anime and comic books, but film, literature, I've got degrees in philosophy and classical literature. And so we break it all down esoterically, mythologically, philosophically, in every way that comes out of my my noggin. And so there's all kinds of craziness in the world. And what I'm trying to help do is bring back myth, magic, and meaning to the world. This world is postmodern, it's functional, it's nonsensical, it's uh mechanistic, and the soul is being sucked out of it by some grand oligarchic uh fucking parasitic class. And so we might as well just become philosopher warrior king lovers. That's what we're here to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Make bards great again.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Exactly. Give me a name, man. Make Shaolin great again. That's what this hat is. Make Shaolin great again. Yeah, nice. That's coming on, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

Uh Headless, how about yourself, brother?

SPEAKER_03 2:00

Uh, you can find me at the Headless Giant on X and on YouTube and on Instagram. I talk a lot about uh disambiguating and disdemystifying the sort of occult stuff that I think a lot of people just get tricked into believing is something more and something greater or something more offensive than it really is. And I'm a Hellenic pagan. I follow the pantheon of the Greeks, and I I think it's important that people get back to their roots and start understanding the the wisdom and philosophies of their ancestors in a way that is disconnected from a lot of the narratives that sort of weaponize it and use it as a tool of subversion. So definitely check me out there. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Right on. Well, great to meet you guys, and uh great to have you guys here. And thanks for having us back.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

I think I think this is me and the fourth time on the show, man. So, like I said earlier, you must really like us. Uh, thank you for sure, Jordan. It's it's it's a pleasure to be back on, brother.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

It's great to have you guys. How how you been, Jules? How are you doing? I'm good, man.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

I'm good. Uh, had some time off recently. Got to hang out with the family, got to uh you know, have some have a mental break kind of from reality at the checkout for a minute. So great Bill W all around. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Do you guys have a family day in the States? A family day?

SPEAKER_02 3:25

Yeah, where it's a we probably have an anti-family day down here, but not a family day. We try to make uh uh family day in you know, my family, like at every couple weeks we try to take a day where we see some kids. There's no holiday, no, no. They they there's no way that they would promote the new the the nuclear family here in the states, uh in this day and age, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:55

So you guys are going in a different direction, yeah. And uh Nick, what's going on, man? So good to see you. How are things?

SPEAKER_04 4:02

Good, good, thank you very much, man. Appreciate uh appreciate you having us on again. I do want to just give a shout-out to the other uh go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Oh, sorry, sorry to interrupt. I was just saying thank you all for your time and thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_04 4:15

No, of course, of course. I did want to at least give a shout out to the other rejects that are on the show because uh there is a lot of people, believe it or not, that's part of the crew. Just I don't have everybody on at the same time. We still got Robbie Marks, you know, he's not here. We got Kaiva Rose, you know, Magus' girl. We got Judith. Uh who else? I'll uh Ethan. I was gonna call him by his by his email. I'll apply. So you slow it out, Ethan. Yeah, uh, we got Ethan, Ethan as well. So, I mean, there are uh there are other people that uh didn't make it, but you know, I uh want to just let people know that there's more to the crew than just this.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Right on, right on. I appreciate that. And I I hope that uh yeah, maybe I can meet some more of them in the future. But um it's sweet to round up a bunch of you guys at the same time. Um, geez, I don't know where to start. I was thinking maybe we could start with um just my curiosity with um certain big things in the headlines, obviously. I guess maybe we'll start with the war. Um do you guys um I I know you guys all study the same thing, but I'm sure different things. Um very different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all very different spiritual walks, yeah. So um I hope I'm sure maybe one of you might have an answer, but like, are there any kind of crazy occult um themes or underlying um circumstances that you got, or or even symbolism that you see kind of unveiling within the events, um or the or just the war in general? Um, I don't know if that's if that's something that you guys.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

No, I got it. I got I got one. Oh yeah. Yeah, I got us, don't worry. Um, so this is obviously through the my lens. Um, but obviously we're in a spiritual war on a mega global uh universal level, and we can't see it any larger than what's going on right now with this Iranian versus the military-industrial complex, which soaks up the integration of this small little space in the Middle East, integrating that with the American empire. And so this is a war that goes back so far uh a long, long time ago. You know, you get the Judaism versus Islam. That's such an underpinning on what everything is going on. And so what they want to do, because the idea is that, again, like I said in my opening, is that there's just a parasitic class, and they're trying to categorize everybody in these small little secular cult religions, even if it's a scientific, materialist, religious lens. And so right now, the biggest occult thing is that all of this is happening because of there is something magnificent in the Middle East, because of the history. And because of that history, we are we are trying to control, we, as in the American Israel um coalition, is trying to control that spot. But it's really important to know it's just not America and Israel. It's a combination of that in the Bank of International Settlements, the Vatican, and the military-industrial complex, with whoever it is, those names that are above that that are controlling the whole mechanism of things. And so off the top of my head, that's the first thing I can come up with is that there is this thing that is going on, and it's called it's uh big A accelerationism of the end times. And that is what I see as this whole thing because of there is a massive power struggle going on with how we're going to control levels of disclosure, AI, and the evolution of the population.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Yeah, I think I think he covered it really well, but you know, just to throw in there, they're using Bronze Age superstition to bring about Skynet. And you could see that with Peter Thiel focusing on revelations, you could see that with uh the Pentagon focusing on revelations. All of these groups are coming together, and even the uh the the 12th Imam, they call him Mahdi, is a big part of what's going on in Iran, too. So you've got it's like a prophecy war, all of these different forces. You're muted.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

I told you guys I'm always muted. Um, yeah, no, I talked about this like an hour ago with my buddy Jacob on my podcast. Uh, or maybe it was last night with Jose. I I don't know. I've done a lot of shows this weekend, but um yeah, they did this uh Hadar ritual or like this calling to Hadar for like their Iman, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:44

So they're calling to their the Iranians did, sorry?

SPEAKER_02 8:48

Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure um and they're chanting, and you can feel it, man. It's dark energy. Um, but they're they're it's the the same kind I I guess the same um type of ritual that you would see with them kind of dancing, you know, doing a little hodge around the the cube, right? They're conjuring up this energy, they're they're bringing about their Moshech, who they consider their Messiah, because they all have this end times, they're all kind of caught in this prophecy together, right? This Jewish prophecy. I mean, let's you know, and uh, you know, the Christians are waiting for Christ to come back, and the Jews are waiting for their Moshech. So um it's this 2,000 over 2,000 year old war that they're bringing, you know, well, they're trying to bring us into it. And it's like, dude, that's that happened in the desert. You know, most people who are you know um descendants here in America, we we came from, you know, the the north, the forest, the mountains, right? Um has nothing to do. We just shouldn't be over there. That's that's their thing. But I mean, it it is unfortunate when you see schools of children being blown up, right? And so like these it's uh you know you you want to be empathetic and be there for people, but it's like, you know, these people, it seems all these people have this like uh hate for us, right? Like this deep down, just this disdain for the American culture and people, but they they they they love to receive handouts from us, right? They love to get what they can get and then kind of bite the hand that feeds, but it's okay because uh we are oppressors, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Uh but bite it hard, bite the hand that feeds, they bite it hard, right? Um, you know, and they're they're definitely I know what you're saying about that that dark energy, and that's kind of um I'm glad that you brought this up because that's kind of um I should have framed the question a lot better. Um, and I apologize for that, but uh yeah, on the on the side of the Iranians and and just like the different religions and um who knows what kind of other groups or cults or what kind of are going on uh beneath it all. Uh, but yeah, I I I understand what you're saying about that dark energy and um that and the whole them being a threat to us and them having that hatred for us. That that's like a big reason why kind of Trump seems to be pushing the war um or kind of justifying the war.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Um and you got Lindsey Graham, you know, he's saying, you know, your sons and daughters are gonna go over there, they're over there right now. You know, he's he's spitting in our faces, that fat fuck. And you know, it's disgusting, you know? And if there's people in that movement who are still supporting them after they have quite literally, you know, not done anything that they promised to do, they're doing the complete opposite, you are just as complicit as them.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

So yeah. Um what else was I gonna say? Um oh um sorry, we actually have uh speaking of the since we're talking about the war, uh question from the chat about Netanyahu being dead. So there was the I think they had like the security meeting and the the news conference where he wasn't where Netanyahu wasn't there, and then shortly after that, I think they released the video of Netanyahu. Uh no, I no, this is the the six finger video where he's talking and then yeah, and then it turns out he's got six fingers.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

So then now this now now what's that? Do you have that video? Sorry, I don't mean interrupt, but yeah, yeah, well, buddy, I'll pull it up for sure. Uh you have the video? Yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

Yeah, uh Yahoo actually re released a video today of him in a coffee shop showing off his fingers. That's that's what I was doing for that.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yeah, yeah. Sorry, I was just getting to that actually. So they released this the six finger video, and then uh I think it was really, really early today, art my time, that uh like Headless said, he released this this coffee shop video uh where he's talking about uh he says, I think he says, I'm dead for coffee, and kind of just playing it off, and then um and then yeah, he like shows off his hand, but then I go in the comments and I start looking uh because I'm thinking to myself, like maybe this one's fucking fake too, right? And people are commenting right away on the coffee and how it looks like it should be spilling and it doesn't spill, and then he takes a fairly substantial sip, and it goes from being uh filled right to the brim to being filled right to the brim. So uh that's a little sketchy too. So here's the can you see that, Jules? There's a picture there for you.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

That's weird. We gotta remember this is that it's all fake, it's all shadows on a wall. I mean, these things are actually happening, but they're not happening whatsoever because media is fake 100%. There's so many psyops interacting all at once at all times. And so if we can first understand all of this, all of this stuff is meaningless, and it's a distraction for doing your own great work. There's only one work in this world, and it's to build your own temple, not the one in Jerusalem. And that your own temple is that which houses your soul, and these things are integrated and embodied. This is meaningless because what they want you to do is they want you to be confused because that we are in the age of discord. And if the more you're confused, the more you won't ask the actual questions. Because if we understand that yeah, go on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:50

Well, I was gonna say, once you get into politics, you're gonna sell worshiping another motherfucker than being in your own head thinking about yourself.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

You nailed it. That's exactly it. Well, I guess people aren't smart enough to even know philosophy or politics, and so how can they even make up their mind if they don't understand critical thinking?

SPEAKER_03 15:06

I like the age of discord idea, but that really does play well in the idea of the age of Aquarius, right? And that age of Aquarius idea really should, you know, garner future examination because we're talking over the watery air right now. We're we're all on Wi-Fi, we're all connected by this watery air sign, which is the age of Aquarius, right? And what's interesting too is that that watery air sign is associated with the Greek pantheon with this uh Ganymede character. And what do we see with the Epstein stuff? Oh, now everybody's pissed off about children. So there's almost like this repeat of the cycles of this whole kind of thing that's happening, and people are so focused on the characters and these ideas of these, you know, I um, I guess you would call them uh these uh heroes, you know, Trump and Netanyahu and all these characters that they're not actually seeing the forest for the trees, which is hey, we're in a massive repeat cycle here, and if we could just take a step back, we might be able to harness these energies for positive things instead of the negative crap that keeps coming along every time we see these cycles repeat.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Yeah, absolutely that you're talking about being connected through the ether by these symbols. Look up at your computer right now. At the top, you're charging. Well, if if your computer or laptop, I guess, is plugged up or charging, there's a lightning bolt in it, right? You click on your one thing, you see a couple symbols for the sun. You see a rune, you see the rune for growth. Um, the you know, you see the moon in the do not disturb, right? So, like I mean, it's it's display display, two suns on both sides. I mean, what's up? You know, the symbols are everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

We use the idea that we're continually staring into the golden mean tri uh the golden mean rectangle. It's like this, and then it's the fucking Russian Asian Chinese dolls that go all the way in and out. It's it's a forever meandering thing that continually is trying to chase its own tail. So you get the symbolism of us trying to look at the back of our head when we never will be able to. Similar to the idea of um, you know, what's the meaning of like trying to make one hand clap? Well, it's trying to do something that you that can is trying to break you out of your normal everyday thinking. And that's when we laden ourselves with signs and symbols, it's trying to either awaken something or it's trying to lull something to sleep. Because if it can get a hold of your nervous system, if it can get a hold of your limbic system, like the blue light does, it it refracts at such a speed that it takes over your the frequencies of the nervous system, thus producing cortisol, thus integrating with the limbic system. And then it controls you completely. They figured that out all the way back in MKL, like with MK Ultra. How do you program because the blue light is doing exactly what Wi-Fi and everything is doing? So it goes into the eye, like we were talking about before, from the eye, taps into the pineal gland and the pituitary gland and wraps itself around the nervous system. And so it's controlling you, let alone the idea that blue light stimulates exactly what it's like out when it's noon outside with the sun. And so if it takes control of your hormone structures, and so you cannot produce melatonin and cortisol at the correct times of day, thus lulling you into a hypnotic vulnerable state where then you're easily imprint vulnerability vulnerable. And if you're imprint vulnerable, just like you they do with LSD or other high levels of psychedelics, now they're doing that with the TV and then pushing all those signs and symbols into your nervous system. And then with that, there's packets of information that basically make you your own Manchurian candidate. That's uh that's a straight conspiracy from Magus.

SPEAKER_03 18:57

Well, I I also want to point out that uh Harold Bluetooth, the 10th century Danish king that Bluetooth is named after, he betrayed his people and he converted over to Christianity. And his son actually uh re tried to have revenge against him for being chopped out because he wasn't gonna convert over to that religion. So Harold Bluetooth himself is sort of like this betrayer character if you look at it from a historical continuity lens. So we're putting the we're putting the betrayer into our own phones and converting over to this new Aquarian religion.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

Yeah, look at me right now. I am the mic stand. The mic stand is me. Uh look at the background. I am above the the world and I am being beamed down. The sign of the sun on this side, with people. Sorry, Jordan, but your your background is perfect for uh subconsciously programming people with symbolism. That's not that red, that'd be red. Yeah, somebody screenshot it. Yeah, no, I'm being like beamed down over the pentagram. I don't know. Well, I think it's funny too that it's funny.

SPEAKER_03 20:07

We have we have such a uh superstitious aversion to understanding the symbols that they constantly say are being used to control us. Like, let's actually dig in and find out what is what is dangerous and what is uh a good thing about these different symbols. And if we can't be honest about it, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_02 20:23

And if you truly understand what these symbols mean, can they control you with them anymore? I don't think so. I don't think their magic can work anymore. I mean, hey, look, I think that helps.

SPEAKER_04 20:33

Yeah, that's what it works.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Oh, here we go. Here's the uh coffee video, real quick for you guys. And just if you I know it might be small on your screen, but like watch the coffee and how full it is, and when he grabs it, it doesn't spill, and then he takes a sip and it doesn't look like he took a sip.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

The problem is this it's crazy. It's proven you could come on, you know what's a sure way to know my social. Yeah, it's certainly the work of a new job. That coffee didn't the first thing, too. With one thing that I noticed, because I have I use chat GPT, and I could look at like insane people are making like I could look at some insane shit. One thing I've always noticed that they always do with their videos, which is always a dead giveaway, they always assume that this person who's filming always has lighting. You can tell lighting is being used on it. Yeah, per they always those fake chat GPT store shit always has like a lighting effect, and it and besides everything else, it's just to me that's a dead giveaway when you're looking at AI. Half the time, people are just walking around like this is as an iPhone. Who the fuck's got a light that's also shining it on it? Like, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 22:00

That makes it so the background is blurry. Yeah. All of a sudden the background is oh, it's perfect. Perfect. Yeah, yeah. Let alone if it's obviously staged. That could be whatever. Let alone it doesn't even have to be AI. He can have a fucking mask on. You know what I mean? Like, we all know that they put on CIA masks to like be the presidents and high-level people all the time.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

You know, so some are saying, I mean, some I've seen some people say that it's from an old coffee shop visit from 2024.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

I'm also seeing people say he has to be proof, he's real.

SPEAKER_04 22:35

Yo, nothing even moved in that cup for him, like as he was going like that.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Think about think about him as a magician, right? What he's doing is showing his hands, nothing up my sleeves. He's giving everybody the razzle dazzle.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

Exactly. He's laughing in your face, right? Like literally.

SPEAKER_04 22:52

Um, it's literally like magic with pulling a rabbit out of a hat at this point of time.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:02

Which I actually think. Sorry, just real quick, I actually think that whole misdirection with videos and propaganda like that, in my opinion, is a very Nazi thing to begin with.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Yeah, it's real good idea, right? It's just who's using it. It's the same goes behind the symbols, the intention behind them, right? What's your intention behind the use of the symbol, or you know, whatever you're doing, right?

SPEAKER_03 23:30

Well, in spiritual war, specifically for the Nazis, they copied everything from Hollywood, they just had their guys get in there, understand all these systems, and then reproduce it, and they did it better than Hollywood in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_04 23:43

So it's like you all know what's going on here. I'm covering that, believe it or not, Hillis. I'm covering that how they manipulated people to accept World War II, basically, how they used music and movies and basically got the people ready for it. And like, yeah, yeah, Bugs Bunny was like the biggest propaganda studies on that shit, dude.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

It's not bullshit. Oh, yeah. No, the the Nazis specifically used music in such a way to get their uh troops hyped up for the battle. It was it was specifically the tones that they were using and how they were focusing it. So, you know, where we get the blue light from, this comes from the casinos, right? They wanted to have that blue light in the casino specifically, and that then got adopted into television, into the spread of this stuff because they've they're learning through experience, they're not starting out from a place of what we're being ethical about this or whatever. It's just the mass human testing based upon where people want to go and what they want to see. So if you if you can kind of perceive it like that, all of this stuff is an experiment, every single bit of it. We just don't know that we're being experimented on. Very cybernetic process.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

You know, it's crazy. You just say casinos in this sacred architecture thing I did. I even mentioned a part that I found that there was the casinos, believe it or not, try to model their shit totally opposite of actual sacred architectures, so it fucks you up.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Yep, disorienting.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Interesting, very interesting. I was like, yeah, I can see that. I can see that, and and sir and headless, the blue light. Is that what are you referring to? Is that like they add the blue light in into the lighting so that it keeps you more awake and alert to keep you? Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:29

What they're trying to do is is trying to kind of trying to keep you in a state of heightened stress so that you're looking for a way to alleviate that stress. When you've got the heightened cortisol levels, what they're trying to do is get you into a state of like, well, if I win, I can alleviate this stress where I don't know where it's coming from. The same thing with the computer. If I can find what I'm looking for, if I can scroll to the place that I want to see, then it alleviates some of the stress that's being produced by the blue light. But people don't associate stress with blue light enough. But that's what raises your cortisol levels in a noticeable way. So once you get out of the blue light matrix and you start to filter and you start to feel the red light, it it produces a different effect. You can't understand the changes in your own consciousness unless you have contrast. And I think this is a big problem with a lot of the you know uh DMT, uh, you know, drug maxing people is they're not looking to find the contrast in everyday consciousness, they're looking to enhance and and blow beyond that stuff. But really, it's understanding these subtle contrasts within your own life that betters you on a much deeper level than just by you know blasting off and going outside.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

Yeah, I was about to say, while you're living here on in this place, right? In on this plane, um, is so I should invest in red light therapy equipment.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

I wouldn't even go that far. You could buy little red LEDs that do a better job uh than most of these other you're gonna get the big stuff.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

No, bro. No, bro. I have red lights at home. You need I know the exact I know what brands to get.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

You just DM me later, and I will tell you exactly what you have for no, it's not the same.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

It's not the same. You should go outside and you should get red light every morning and every evening, and that and then also don't wear, you know, even in the winter, try not to wear shoes and you got to ground yourself to the earth. That'll help reproduce your own. But the idea then with these red lights is it it stimulates your mitochondrial reproduction at the cellular level. And so what ends up happening with that is that your cells reproduce faster and they and then they can reprolethate um instead of things that kill it off. So know this that high levels of blue light actually kills off gut bacteria. That's how fucking crazy blue light is for your body. It stimulates dopamine and cord and um serotonin uh uh dumps, like Headless is saying, and in doing so, it raises right, yeah, yeah, raises all your uh and then what it does is it puts you in anxiety and fatigue. And then when you're in that fatigue, that's when you can be you know fucked basically. Fuck, dude.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

Okay, so uh so I how do I know my glasses are like blue light resistant?

SPEAKER_00 28:18

You have to buy they're not they unless you have them put them in them, or you buy you buy good ones. All right, I have like three different pairs. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

You gotta watch Nick's special about the the light because he goes into a lot of the color wheel theory and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

I have to, dude. I'll send you a good link in the track I'd rather be broke and live safe than I mean you know, then than be ignorant. Of course, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Before we get off the casino subject, well, I used to work at a casino in the kitchen, so I wasn't always in like the casino floor, the game floor environment, but I spent quite a bit of time there because the kitchen and the restaurant is all one floor and the kit's an open kitchen, and so and you'd have to like walk through the game floor to refill certain areas and go to the washroom. And yeah, man, I felt so stressed like during and after my shifts, and like I just hated the environment, and I got out of it pretty quick. I just I wasn't down for that at all.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

I gotta I got a quick uh thing about it. So it says blue light in casinos is not just for aesthetics, it may actively influence gambling behavior by reducing sensitivity to financial losses, right? Research from Finders University and uh Manasseh University shows that blue enriched LED light commonly found on slot machines, video poker screens, and overhead fixtures can dull the emotional sting of losing money. This effect occurs because the blue light stimulates intrinsically photosensitive retinal uh ganglion cells, just like what Nick always talks about, right? Which project to the brain regions like the amygdala and the habanella era areas associated with emotion decision making and reward processing. As a result, people exposed to blue light, uh heavy lighting are more likely to take risky gambles, even when the potential loss is significant.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Wow, there you go. Oh no, bro. When I would walk through the casinos, whenever you walk through casinos, you just see these sad people like just giving their money away.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

It's really depressing.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

It's so depressing, sucks.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

I mean, it's so bad that it gives you cancer. I mean, blue light is the bane of existence, and they use it on purpose. Like, yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_04 30:54

I wanted to add something that Brendan was uh Brendan was saying, like, you know, you should go out and like get you know get those colors from the sun. Uh, there is a uh, I'm sure Brandon knows it, Libra Rash. If you were to actually uh go outside and you're able to witness and do that prayer, not necessarily do the prayer, even if you just go stare at the sun all those certain times throughout the day, it would actually make your pineal gland like more optimal because those natural uh those natural lights will actually like if it's at the right doses and it's natural, there was good good uses for it.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah, I complet I yeah, I completely agree. I actually that when every morning, as long as that's not freezing where I'm at, which happens, um, is my you know LB uh my LBRP practice into my Tai Chi practice, and so that's how I I that's my mornings of yeah, trying to make sure integrating those things.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

My mornings are full of rushing to get my son ready to go to school, dude. W my son, right now. By the way, if you don't have kids, have some babies, you know, and uh have a son. I asked him to mow the front yard. Not only did he mow the front yard, but he we weeded it. Oh, nice or the backyard too, mowed all of it. Damn it. Now he's pressure washing the back porch. He's 12.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

Oh, he's asking you for something, dog. He wants something.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

I'll pay myself, he's smart. It's that limitless energy of a little boy.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Once you get that harvest, it is kidding, and he's focused face, dude. He's like way too face to where I've had to be like, whoa, dude, chill out with the you know, hey, uh very bright kid. I I love him to death. He saved my life, man. I had him at a time where I was at my lowest, dude. And so make babies. It'll do that, man. It'll put you on that path of being that, you know, that uh figure, that that that hero.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

Absolutely. Well, back to the light. I think um what Nick really tries to do with his show is to show people that these cranial nerves are stimulated in a way that affect your brain chemistry. So he he's working on uh doing this with herbs, right? So these magical herbs have a stimulant effect on different parts of your brain, and those are in involved in magical rituals. So, what what you're actually doing when you're doing these rituals is expanding the brain through subtle stimulation. And if you think about subtle stimulation as being sort of like weightlifting for your brain, once you can identify it and get into that mindset, you you're actually being better able to uh sensitize and realize the shifts in consciousness that are in you and going on around you. I mean, one of the problems is we're overstimulated and under under uh evaluating, right? So we're constantly looking for that next uh hit of dopamine and all the rest of this stuff. Whereas if you can understand the subtle stimulation of your brain, you're no longer dependent on those dopamine-seeking behaviors, which I think is is a very positive thing, especially in the age of Aquarius, where everything is hooked up to this dopamine generator we call the internet.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Yeah, I know I completely agree. And it goes back to alchemical principles of us trying to like qualm our animal lower desires, right? It kind of goes back into that. What were you saying, Nick?

SPEAKER_04 34:28

That uh just to kind of like piggyback off of like Hellas, even with him bringing up the herbs, you know, which thank you. I really appreciate that. Uh, you know, besides like all right, you will have these herbs that they will like you know affect you know some of your cranial nerves and will start to like do certain things to you. But now, like, depending on what setting you're in, like you think like maybe if you're actually at a religious building, now there's actually architecture possibly being used there. If there's music, that could be being used with the architecture, and like just from watching, just watching just from like recording this two-part series I have coming out on sacred architecture, and then I'm doing one specifically on Christian architecture. That one should be really interesting. There is a lot of stuff going on if you're burning these incense, if there's music being played or any chanting, and then like it depends if it's something that you have to walk through. You'd be surprised that even certain ways things are made will actually make your mind start going different places or focused on. Like those Christian labyrinths actually affect you to walk them in some places where you walk into big rooms and it goes back to a whole big room over and over again, that actually starts to affect you. These things were built on purpose, and then you have like these herbs or these oils, rugs, technically, in a sense, and music, all this stuff going on. The it's it's set up to get you into some sort of space, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:53

And uh, liminality is a thing often overlooked in our culture. But if you think about ancient magical practices, they are all centered around liminality, doorways, you know, going through something, having uh the experience of entering and exiting a building. All of these things have to do with liminal spaces, so it's it's the space between the space. We even have Janus, the uh the Roman god, being represented as this sort of liminal space, and they would uh only close the doors of the Janus temple when uh they were at peace, which was almost never right. So they are always talking about this liminal space and how it transforms a person. Janice is where we get the idea of the janitor, right? Because he holds all the keys to the doors in a building, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:40

So yeah, well, that happens in the month of January, right? Exactly after the guy Janice. Oh damn, yeah, that's that's when the doors are open.

SPEAKER_03 36:50

So right, so Janice goes deep into three faces, dude.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

And then Robbie Marks told me it was somebody else, and I can't forget. I I can't remember who that is.

SPEAKER_04 37:00

Think how often, whenever you walk into a church, all of a sudden you just get quiet on your own. I mean, I even have that. It's it does it that shit affects us for some reason. There's something going on there.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

Well, when they so when they make sorry, when they make the um cymatic effects from a church, what they're doing is they're taking a microphone, putting it in front of a speaker, and having total silence in there, so it's the feedback between the speaker and the microphone that amplifies the uh the resonant frequency inside of that chamber, right? So that resonant frequency is always hitting our brain, whether we know it or not, and this is why it changes people in in a certain way. But that psymotic frequency is oftentimes uh represented in the geometry of the space itself. That's how you get the resonant frequency.

SPEAKER_04 37:53

There was places that I was covering with Gregorian chance, and the way it was built, it was reverberating in a certain way that it was like that's the only way you're gonna fucking hear it like that. Even imams, though you you would be all the way in the back of the room, and it would sound like the guys in your face still.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Yes, the way these places are built.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

They weren't fucking stupid back then.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

No, dude, there's definitely uh that uh and you know what?

SPEAKER_04 38:17

In all of this dick stuff we're talking about, there were two things that weren't involved dicks or demons, which was that was our last episode, I think.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Yeah, man, no dicks or demons there. I was literally just thinking, Nick, before you said that uh you said they weren't fucking stupid or whatever, and I was thinking to myself, yeah, like they didn't have all these fucking distractions, like now, like all these dicks and demons, and it's a lot of science, as you know, social media and pornography and politics and all this stuff, right? Religion. Well, they had religion, but anyway, you know.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

Well, if we if we go back to ancient Rome, they have walls that are curved in Rome that you can hear for like yards and yards and yards, like hundreds of yards away. You could be whispering on the wall, and the person would hear you over in that other space because they've calculated out precisely exactly how that sound is traveling without ever having the ability to see it on an oscilloscope or anything. So, you know what we think of as uh a religious state of mind has a lot more to do with the science of the space than we give it credit for. So, are we being stimulated into religious states of mind when certain newscasters come on, certain colors flash on our screen? These are things that now they've they've shifted from the cathedral into your handheld device, and we really don't recognize it in the cathedral. Why would we recognize it in our phones, in our own hands? You know, this is this is very deep science that goes way back, and most people you know pass that over for more distracting things which may stimulate those uh states of consciousness. The god helmet. Have you guys ever looked up the god helmet?

SPEAKER_04 40:09

Oh, I want to use that, man.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

What's the god the god helmet? Let's look that up. Yeah, I haven't seen that in a while.

SPEAKER_04 40:17

Brandon, you know what that is, the god helmet magus?

SPEAKER_00 40:21

I I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 40:22

Uh do you watch paranoia? I have I know it because of watching paranormal shit. Uh like those things that covers your eyes, and I think plays like kind of surrounds you.

SPEAKER_00 40:32

I've heard of oh, yeah, I've heard of this before.

SPEAKER_03 40:36

Now you could stimulate this god helmet effect with just a couple of ping pong balls that you tape over your eyes. It's that space between the eyelid and the eye. It starts this uh hallucination effect, but they just amp it up using all of these different uh scientific ways of accessing the resonant frequencies of the brain to create that that effect, right?

SPEAKER_00 41:00

And it's funny to me because clockwork clockwork orange shit right there, big time for sure.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

What's funny to me is uh you know, being being a uh Hellenist, I look into goddesses like Themis, and Themis is the one we see out in front of the courthouse with the blindfold over her eyes, holding the sword and the scales. That's actually a Greek goddess, and she is actually one of the inspirations for ontology itself, right? She's the guardian in Parmenides' On Nature poem at about 700 BC. She's the guardian of the queen of the night, and on ontology was developed in that poem, right? So she is the second oracle at Delphi. So the reason she has the blindfold over her eyes is not necessarily because uh, you know, uh justice is blind. What she's actually doing is stimulating those parts of the brain that cannot be stimulated with the eyes open so that she could see the future. So, I mean, she's an oracular goddess, uh, also an earth goddess.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Yeah, that's so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

And that's also where the the term mystery comes from. Mystery comes from the term mistes, which is behind closed eyes, which is then why if all you fucking psychonauts aren't actually shutting your eyes and wrapping yourself in a cocoon and taking psychedelics, you're a bunch of poofs because you're you're not actually doing the real work when you're doing the psychedelics, which are supposed to induce vision, when you are finally so whacked out of your mind, your actual mind, you go into the liminal space and turn into a sacred realm, and then you can witness the great splendorous beauty, which is frightening. And so you have to go through those things, and that goes back to the ancient mysteries of why it was in a cave or in a sacred temple or in a sacred architectural building where they can get rid of those stimulations or add those senses at the same time.

SPEAKER_04 43:00

I would even say, like, uh talk. I know uh my show has kind of hit on both sides of that uh fence recently, and I think most people know I don't I don't think that uh you need drugs uh for that experience. But I do think one of the things I think Brandon kind of lightly touched on in his own way. Uh, when these people are taking this stuff for the most part, they're uh sitting around with their eyes open. No, for me, you gotta close your eyes and go within to get any answers. Exactly. You have to just a fucking weird version of this world, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

And I think that's goes to the lotus eaters. Yeah, yeah, because in the in the Odyssey, they're taking this drug that's like soma in like the Huxleyan terms. And by taking this drug, you are missing out if you're externally stimulating yourself instead of going within to actually kill, you know, actually like trans, you can't kill the ego, but transmute that thing and do the great work. And like Terra Gena said that some. Of the only ways you can have these great experiences are through psychedelics. You don't need them, I would state. And I think you should not do it because you should get to those spaces without it. But it helps. And I wouldn't be me without the initial breakdown I had in my younger years in my younger 20s with high dosages of LSD and tool, because those things are what brought me into my own sacred art and had me, had myself go through an apocalyptic breakdown. And that's when the like I think I tapped into the memory of my past lives, which isn't woo-woo. It's more like the remembrance in a platonic way, not that all of a sudden I realized I was Jesus or any of these great, you know, Krishna or whatever. But it's the idea that I tap into that DNA memory of my own Akashic or Hermetic library. And so yeah, I think uh I think that's a fascinating thing. And then there's certain music that can do it. So it's like you can listen to electronic trance music and fidelics and have a somatic experience. But if you listen to, let's say, like I said, Tool, who does all their music in a sacred architectural way with sacred geometry and leading you into these things, I've seen some crazy shit because of that.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

Wow, you weren't listening to Undertone, though. I'll tell you that much.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Oh Undertone. No, not Undertone. No, it started. No, I wasn't. It started with lateralis, but fucking Rosetta Stone fucked my world up. That's where the true ending happened. That's what actually happened. No, not undertow.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Undert.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 45:39

Uh if you know, you know. What a true apocalyptic event. You know, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Over your eyes and listen to Undertow.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

Um, we also have a let's see here. We have an older question that we didn't get to yet in the chat. Uh, I have a question. What is the panel's thoughts on Franz Bardon or Bardin? Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 46:03

Oh, I love that guy. He's his his concordance of associates.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Who is who is and sorry, how do you is that how you pronounce it? Franz Bardon? Franz Bardon?

SPEAKER_00 46:14

Yeah. He's a hermetic tradition writer.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

Right. And he has this huge book of concordances, a lot like 777 here, but he's he's a lot more uh detailed with materials, right? So he's talking about these uh magical concordances on on his book in a lot more detailed way than just the number and and whatever. But uh having those concordances is really good when you're trying to come about uh with you know um your own ritual space. So Franz Bardin will go into detail on how these things are associated, and it's it's really interesting his masculine and feminine ideas in in his book. So Franz Bardin is something to look up. I think there's free PDFs online about it, but often overlooked occultist, you know. I mean, he's one of those that you know kind of exists in the background and people are are you know stuck on OTO stuff. If if you want to give him a try, he gets really deep into the European stuff as well.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

Thank you for uh explaining that. Uh I'll I'll speak on Franz Barton. Franz Barton's yeah, man, go for it. Yeah, Franz Bart, I just a real quick Franz Barton gets a lot gets a lot of shade, I think, in the occult community, just because his work is very at times flowerly, like flowery language. And so he's speaking in a certain way, but also it's like you need a large subset of information to go into doing his right writing and reading. It's he's got so many volumes, I would say it as well, with his Hermetic Traditions book. Um, so I think it's really good. And I think there's books for everybody in everyday nervous system, and so it's you just got to start reading things, and it's whatever truly turns on your nervous system into some kind of contemplative, reflective state. And Franz Barton can do that for a lot of people because he himself is breaking down the hermetic tradition.

SPEAKER_03 48:14

I got a I got a picture of him, so you know, again, people like to crap all over him for his uh eccentric style. But I I find it really interesting and fascinating if if you were to pull that up for us. I think people should know what their uh occultists look like, you know. But uh, I gotta there we go.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

Okay, that's so funny. I mean, see, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:40

But you've seen old show members dressed up like that in certain ways. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

I mean, if you take some of my old photos, I think I'd look pretty shady too.

SPEAKER_03 48:56

Right. You know, it's it's it's fun. I think again, you gotta take all this stuff with a grain of salt, and it's all coming from their perspective. So uh what they say in the Kaibalian is that there are no truths but half truths, and that's something to keep in mind is that half of every truth is your own perception of it, whether or not uh it's a uh the the true reflection of the thing or not, what you're coming away with is half objective reality and half your own perception, if not you know, 75% your own perception or 85% your own perception. So the the truth that exists in the world is always filtered through a subjective lens.

SPEAKER_02 49:35

Oh in every case, dude. And I think like what you said earlier, it and I've uh been re-reiterating this a lot lately. I think it is important to look uh you know at your roots, where you come from through your that ancestral lens of your people, right? And not the the lens of uh let's be honest of a people who think that uh they are greater than you and that you know, I mean they quite literally hate you. Thousands of years have hated you. You know, and I mean this this is what you know we go back to talking about this these end times prophecies and and these uh you know, I I brought this up on my show as well. The priest have, or I I guess you could say the king priest have always ran the societies or the civilization, right? It's never been the actual kings, they've just been the puppets for these guys behind the scenes that are working uh with these spiritual forces, right? And and so when you see or hear the rhetoric of the priest of the of the nation who is causing the most pain and suffering in the world, they are emanating, you know, I mean everything happening right now, you know. I mean, let's let's if you're a conspiracy theorist, you can do your own research, but I mean it ties all directly to this dark Kabbalistic priesthood that goes back to antiquity, right? Um and and and so I think it is important to look at a lot of things through an objective lens. Yeah, and I think it helps, right? And that doesn't mean you know you have to change your beliefs or anything, but it does help you see, you know, kind of uh where you are. And and you know there's a lot of things I still have to learn. There's a lot of I I don't know shit, man, to be honest with you. There's so many things I feel now that I have to go back and look over so many conspiracy theories and like all this shit that I feel like I may have been psyoped, excuse me, psyoped into believing myself. Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

I have uh I but I what do want to state there's a there's a a slight change in what Jewel said is that Alexander the Great was was himself a warrior philosopher king. Nobody was pushing Alexander the Great around. It's the same thing that actually Peter Mark Adams is getting at in his book, The Game of Saturn decoding the Sola Buska Toroshi, the tarot deck. And what he is uncovering actually is that there are these secret teachings, and Jocelyn Godwin also is talking about it in the golden thread, that there are princes and kings that through time have been trying to tap into this golden thread. And so it was actually only in a certain time frame that Nietzsche talks about in his master slave uh dialectic is that he's telling, he's saying at one time on our time frame, the priest class came in and started to pull away the warrior priest kings from the rest of our world. And then and then the priests, the priest class, the dark sorcerer class that you're talking about, started to kind of control the structure for the slave class. But in Peter Mark Adams' book, the The Game of Saturn, decoding that tarot deck, it was within that tarot deck, that exact one, that he figures out that there is this old initiatory rites that stems from the Mithraic cults of the Roman period that go back through the Orphic tradition, from the Orphic tradition to the Mesopotamian myths and farther back, almost 8,000, if not 13 plus thousand years, um, all the way back to the civilization that was before the younger dryas period. And it was with it was well, what Gol Blecky Tepe or what not hyperbore hyperborea is not really it, it's not real technically. Well, you know, something some uh but not everybody does, yes, not everybody does, and so there's a differentiation between this Tibetan primordial Hapoborean space and what whatever was going on pre-the Younger Dryas period. But my point is actually that this deck, this Sola Terra Buscucci deck was actually trying to tell people the Saturnian cult, which isn't negative, it's actually the higher levels of the chrono of Kronos and this golden age that is going on. That then what he labeled it down to is that these princes were learning how to be warrior magician kings. And in doing so, it taught them how to go out in the world with their people so they could. The princes were at the the head of the head of the game, and so they went and fought with their people so they could, yeah, take over lands and get food and trade and do all these things, but it was so they could bring it back to their holy kingdom, to their sacred space that they were designing. And through time, that got fucked. And now we have this inverted Saturnian cult black cube of Saturn nonsense that the fucking X Twitter Instagram uh paper bag occultist wants to push that all things are Saturnian devils, which that's dicks and assholes, and it's not actually true. But really, what's going on is that there's this ancient chrono-saturnian myth that we're all trying to uncover, and it's through the mystery traditions in this golden thread, and it has nothing to do with evil because that goes back to the non-dualistic lens because these Abrahamic traditions are trying to state there's this all evil thing and it's objective when it's really not that the evil is but the privation of the good, and it goes back to that platonic understanding of the good and everything that isn't is just lacking good, and so it's it's such a fucking twist up that we don't know how to get back to our own warrior, magician, king priest.

SPEAKER_03 55:35

So that's that's if I could comment a little bit about that Kronos ideal, right? So if we if we want to go back to the the the myths and the Orphic hymns about Kronos, they talk about Kronos being the god of the golden age, and the golden age, like let's say the Garden of Eden, you know, not just uh the Greek myths, they talk about being one with God on earth, right? This is the golden age, there was no separation between God and man, and so in that golden age, we also find the ideas of heaven and and separation being hell and all the rest of these things that you know the Greeks identified, that the you know Romans identified, they worshiped Saturn, even though he was the god of perfection and decrease, right? They're not talking about increase, he's the god of perfection and decrease, right? Because they understood that during the age, the golden age, there was a significant downfall from that. And so this this constant return to Saturn and Saturnian images is about re-reintroducing the golden age to mankind. This is utopianism, and so what we find with the golden or the the black cube that's always being circumnambulated is the uh is the procession back to the golden age, to this utopian society, someplace beyond the veil.

SPEAKER_02 57:01

Remember, there's gold that's all over the black cube, right? Circling it is are these gold, like you know, little patterns and and uh lines. So, you know, it's like wrapped in the golden age is the black cube of Saturn.

SPEAKER_03 57:13

Gold is the the considered the flesh of the gods in in Greek. So they believe it was incorruptible and eternal, and all of these different immortal properties to it. This is why gold had been held in such high regard, because it's very hard until you know they came up with aqua regia, which is this strong acid that breaks down gold into a purple substance, right? So you've got the royal color of gold and the purple color of you know royalty all right there within the aqua regia, all within alchemy, and it's the idea of the incorruptible. And what we find is that you know, Christianity, you bring yourself up to the golden age of heaven beyond beyond the uh veil of death. And then with communism, they say we actually fulfill uh Christianity on earth, which is this utopian ideal which brings about this golden age here on earth. And what we can find over and over again is this golden age mentality is being used to manipulate people into kind of hell on earth. So once you understand the Saturnian elements of it, you can say, I understand utopia better than you, I'm not gonna fall for this stuff anymore. But yeah, the utopian era is supposed to come about after the huge culling, and Saturn is always seen as this culling god. He's got the uh the scepter of adamant that he used to castrate his father, or Uranus, right? And from his father's blood, you get Aphrodite or the goddess of love. So it's it's through the immortal gods of of love and all the rest of the stuff, a separation, the pole of heaven gets separated from the earth, right? This is the idea of separating earth from the heavens that they talk about in the the the mythology. That's that's where the golden age started to fall and falter. And so once Kronos was unseated, right, then we we've fallen even more from this realm of the gods, and it's it's a very different perspective on it. But the idea of Kronos being the divine root of all of this stuff really does play out with all of this black cube symbolism. But if if he's evil, if he represents the ultimate evil, then we too would be evil in that regard because we we decrease and die. So it's uh it's a very hard lesson for people to learn about the Saturnian imagery. But once you get it, it's like I see it, I recognize it for what it is, and I'm accepting of it.

SPEAKER_00 59:47

I've created a new synthesis that is not of the the same sort of utopian symbolism, yeah, yeah, and I think it's another common like mistake of mistaking the symbol for the literal thing, and because the idea of a promised land that like is going on right now, or we're gonna bring on an accelerated, beautiful age of humanity, is a myth. And the idea is that you're supposed to do it within your own psychos, psychophysical realm, the temple here, and then once you can do that, you lift yourself up from that dualistic state of mind and experience that Kronos or that's you know that higher level of Saturnian feeling, which is just the idea of there are limits and boundaries, and once you have the ability to purge your own limits and boundaries, you have the ability to ascend to a higher state instead of trying to build some sacred holy temple that then is where we can fucking sacrifice children and do things like that, which is utter complete nonsense.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

You need to pull your sword from the stone, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:58

Well, look if we look at the Mithraic cult at the end of their ritual, they speak with the divine architect. And when you look at the Eleusinian cult, they speak with the divine architect. That divine architect is the holy root, is Saturn. So when they're when they're accepting of the idea of Saturn and the world that he's created, it's no longer a burden on you. And what they would do after these uh Mithraic rites is serve fellow man, right? That was the goal of it. You meet the divine architect, you understand that you're mortal, you understand that you're limited, and you come back with new immortal knowledge. And that's the immortal knowledge of sharing and being kind to your people and being kind to these different uh, you know, groups that are of a lower status than you. You're not using them and manipulating them for your own ends. What you're trying to do is be of service. You can find this in The Golden Ass, one of my favorite books, which is uh all about dicks and demons, strangely enough.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:58

Wolf bitches of Thessaly, dude. Wolf bitches of Tessaly, baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:03

But uh yeah, it's there's there's this there's this idea of dedicating your life to service after you've witnessed the divine architect of the universe, and I think that's what's missing from these Saturnian cults, is they're they're constantly trying to pursue uh the the prophecies instead of actually pursuing a one-on-one relationship with the divine architect that made you mortal, that made you limited. And in a lot of ways, I think the uh immortal gods uh are jealous of our own mortality, they see things on a much different level. So they they have to exist forever in the same state. We get to change ourselves, and that's through a lot of uh self-knowledge and forgetting of the past as well. So transformation comes by you know forgetting the trauma as the sole mover of your life, you know, it's it's changing the focus, changing the ideas of your own self.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:02

So somebody in the chat, subliminal messenger, said he he said golden ass, take a shot, chat.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:12

Oh man, we love there was somebody who I had on recently when you weren't there, Headless. They mentioned the golden ass, and I was like, Oh shit, really guess, yeah, no, it's like oh I think I brought you up. I was like, Oh man, Headless.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:28

What is the so the golden ass is a book from the second century AD, right? So this was a Roman novel about a guy who gets transformed into a donkey, and uh, so he goes about his his life, he's trying to steal the magic of his cousin's wife, right? So his cousin's wife can transform herself into different uh into different animals, a wolf, right? Uh no, mostly birds, right? So he wants to transform himself into an eagle, and so he he seduces his cousin's maid so that she can bring him some of this magic from his cousin's wife, and so he takes it and he realizes immediately she's made a mistake, it's not turning him into an eagle, it turns him into a donkey. And so for the rest of the story, he's trying to get back uh into being a man from being a donkey, and the one cure for his ailment is eating roses, right? So he's constantly on the lookout for roses. Now, what's the Rosicrucian symbolism?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

There, it's like the soul that's the Lutheran symbol as well, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:41

Yeah, yeah. And so once he finally uh achieves a vision of Isis of all goddesses, he's begging Isis to bring him these flowers, and there's a procession for Isis in ancient Rome. The cult of Isis was still alive and well in second century Rome. That's what they're sort of symbolizing here. And so once he has ingested these flowers, he he turns back into a man and dedicates his life to the cult of Isis and Osiris, which were both in Rome at that time.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:15

He's mother and father of the mystery schools.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:18

These are the mother and father of the mystery schools, and that's exactly what he does. He goes through the Mithraic and uh Isis and Osiris invocation, and then at the end of the story, he uh he devotes his life to being a lawyer for the poor, right? So he's gone through the transformation, and now he has something to give back to society, so not in this hubristic sense. He has now devoted himself to serving the god and goddess through his service to mankind. So it's it's a really different take on spirituality. And this also has the uh world's first donkey show, I believe, in there, and also some uh ancient Greek uh uh vampires. That uh, you know, actually uh disrespect him in such a well, one of the characters in such a way that you know it's it gets really golden showery in there. But I've gone over this before on the on the uh gods of the morning wood. So there are so many different uh ideas in this book that are influential later on down the line, especially for things like alchemy, especially for things like soul transformation, and everybody overlooks it because it's called the golden ass. Which what they mean by that is the good donkey. They're not actually talking about a golden ass, like uh whatever. It's just they're using gold in a euphemistic way as if he becomes the good donkey by doing this and submitting himself to the goddess.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:45

Okay, gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:46

And in that story, uh he goes to Thessaly, and there's these women that turn themselves into wolves. And uh one of my co-hosts for Gods of the Morning Wood made a a story called uh The Wolf Bitches of Thessaly. And in the Volsanga saga, which is uh a uh you know a part of the I don't I it's in the poetic edda, right? Okay, so um they go to Jotland, right, and uh or Gotland, and these women or this there's this she-wolf that kills all of uh Sig Sigmund's brothers, and then he uh or his sister puts honey in his mouth, and when she comes for him, she licks in his mouth and he rips her tongue out, conquering the beast, right? Conquering what I think is lower nature. He's out there in the wilderness. It's like this initiation that the Valsung kings went through. This is like ancient Viking lore. Um, and uh yeah, you see this theme in a lot of stories, but uh yeah, the wolf bitches of uh wolf bitches of Gotland coming soon. Gods of the Morning Wood. Nice. Well, you are Patreon, baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:59

Well, uh, I don't know if there's any wolf bitches in the book, but it all does take place in Thessaly, which is really strange that they would have this.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:07

No, that's why. No, you came on. It was the first time we read The Golden Ass on Gods of the Morning Wood. You came on, and in that story, one of the women became a a wolf. I'm pretty sure, dude. There my buddy wrote, you know, Subliminal wrote a whole AI uh prompted book about it, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:25

But the the the witches in the story are are more like vampires, so I don't know if they're werewolves or vampires.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:31

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Okay, you don't know if they were literally wolves, right? Well, I mean, because what they do, she was like a shape shifter, and she was actually supposedly the mother of the opposing king who killed the Valsang king, who killed the father of Signey and Sigmund.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:49

Well, in this story, these uh these vampire witches they uh pull out a guy's heart from his throat, and then they put in a sponge, and so he's still walking and talking until he takes a drink of water and then his head falls off. So these are pretty evil bitches.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:07

That's wild, man. No, we we we need to get uh the the wheel will land on it eventually. We we have a show every Saturday morning, Jordan, called uh Esoteric Book Review, Gods of the Morning Wood. It's me, my buddy, Season of the Rat, and uh Subliminal Messenger and Headless and Nick come on. I think Ethan's come on one or two of them. Um by chance, that I think y'all were supposed to do the trialogues that one morning and it it y'all came into our show. Yeah, that was great. But uh Brandon, you you're always invited. And Jordan, if you ever want to come on and read uh, you know, whatever the wheel gives us. I have a wheel with like 25 different books, stories, uh you know, fucking epics, uh all types of different shit, dude. That sounds really occult. So is that uh because you have different shows, so is this live streaming on Saturday mornings uh to Rumble, YouTube, and X, and then uh an hour or two later it's taken down and put on the Patreon on the Gray Pill Patreon. Yeah, yes, but it's it's something that everyone enjoys you know, hanging out at, and uh everyone's always there in the chat, joining in the discussion and giving their own two cents. Sometimes they agree, sometimes they don't, but we welcome all the criticism, you know, that comes our way. So we love a good discussion, a good conversation, and if so, a good debate.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:29

He's taking all the heat.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:31

Hey man, somebody's got look. I mean, I'm I'm I'm just searching for truth, it seems in all the right places, but these places are very, very hidden away from us, right? Right, they're not presented to you in the light that you're you're you're gonna eventually see them in. So yesterday we actually everyone's on their own path. Trust your gut.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:51

Like we covered the druids yesterday, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:54

So the mysteries of the druids, and how the druids were I mean, they may have even been started it, but definitely infiltrated by these Phoenician priests. I mean, it was talking about it in this book, and uh yeah, dude. I mean, it was wild. It's like wow, uh, we had to kind of sit there and think, like, you know, this priesthood may have been infiltrated too.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:16

And so, um the tin trade in uh Britain is not really talked about too much, but the Phoenicians were mining tin in uh Britain for the Bronze Age, so they got all of their trading in Scandinavia, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

Right, like they were talking to the Scalds and everything, like, and like you know, but uh no one really knows about the ancient like Celtic mythology, the Britain or you know, the uh Albion mythology and and all that stuff. So I'm I'm glad that you know somebody has to be out there talking about it from uh uh the lens of looking at it historically and not uh opposingly, or like even you know, I mean, I I just try to look at it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:58

Um we watched a short video about the it was a silent film, but it was about the uh uh bringing Queen uh Queen Queen Elizabeth into the druidic order, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:09

It's on YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:11

I had a lot of people don't realize there was a thriving druidic order, and that has to do a lot with her Germanic heritage. So, you know, the uh Windsors aren't native to Britain, so what they had to do is they have to keep going through these rites of much older things to sort of justify the Windsor dynasty as ruling all of Britain because they didn't, you know, it was a Queen Victoria sort of thing. They uh they come from uh Germany, so they changed their name to Windsor and they did all this stuff because now they're at war with Germany during the first and second world war. So uh a lot of people were very suspicious of their origins, and this is one of the reasons why they would do these druidic uh rituals to get the people back. Oh, look, she's she's brought into our druidic tradition, our roots.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:01

The Germanic tribes, dude, like not only the Phrygians, but like there were so many different tribes in Germania in the that were just wiped the fuck out, killed mercilessly. Um, they fought back.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:15

I mean, dude, they they you know, but I mean yeah, one example of what Magus was saying was uh when he was talking about these different magicians and the orders that they were taking over. You can see that in the Oralinda book, they talk about the Magus all the time. This is the Maggie, the Maggie, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:36

We're reading the Oralinda next uh next Saturday. I believe it's part two or part three on the Oralinda, and then part five on Mysteries of the Druids. We're gonna be getting into the bards, Brandon. The chapter is literally on the bards. So if you're available Saturday morning, man, uh we'd love to have you there. You can I'd love to hear it in your tone and voice reading along. I'll I'll send you the TDF. It's uh W please W Winwood Read book called uh The Veil of Isis, aka the Mysteries of the Druids.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:07

Oh, nice. Uh yeah, I will um record it and you can um fall asleep to it because I got that nice little uh you know, that baritone.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:15

You do in in the chat falls asleep to my stream all the time, especially my my movie streams because I'm always talking about the movies and then schizo esoteric theories on every single thing we watch. Even movies, you never think that you're gonna see something. You're like, wait a minute, what the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:37

But I want to uh I'd like to get into um I want to get into Epstein and see do any of you guys know of any occult links with Epstein or any wild stuff with Epstein.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:49

We talked about this a little bit last time. I think me and Nick came on. Yeah, and then I wanted to we we went to his library and there was a lot of sex magic, right? Like a lot of books on tantric sex magic.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:02

So we know he trapped the kids, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:04

You know, we know he was probably a fucking pet or ass and and fucking was into that.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:09

He was a transhumanist, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:11

So there's a lot of new things we've we figured out, I guess. Not me per se, but in just knowing that I know he was into some weird shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:19

Well, and I want I want to make it very well known what it means by being into the occult. It's such a broad fuck term that it's like it's just anything hidden, anything occult means hidden knowledge, not even hidden knowledge, just science, just the hidden literature, yeah, yeah. And it's and and then and then esoteric means for the select few. And so it's something that's underneath the normal everyday, which is then I can relate it to the to the to the Christian uh term of when Jesus taught his people, he taught them in his apostles, he taught them the way, the truth, and the light, but to everyone else had to speak in parable, and I think that's the differentiation between esoteric and exoteric.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:08

Go how the exoteric is like the outside, it's like the exoskeleton, yes, right? Exactly. Like it's it's and that's when it's been you want to get into Christ. I mean, when he told the Pharisees, like you were hollow, right? You're nothing but bones hollowed out, and that's what I think a lot of people that's beautiful. You know, if you don't understand the esoteric nature behind your theology, you know, that's like what I think it is, it's hollow.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:30

It's you're LARPing, it's just a LARP, and you're not getting to actual substance.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:35

Where are the practice, right? Where's the heart?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:37

You know, the spirit, even like what is God but a mystery, and so the reason I even say that is because of Epstein into the occult and Satanism and whatever these terms mean. It's the idea that he, as a human, worships the physical body and is afraid to die. Yes, and because he's afraid to die, he's trying to figure out how to take his consciousness and live further than what his body can do. And the reason is because if he dies, he has to deal with his own karma, which is then so much different than what most people want to. And then that's what's going on with this whole transhumanism movement, is that they're trying to live forever, and they've mistaken the symbol for the literal idea of transmuting my actual physical body so it can live a long life. And so that's I just think that's a very important thing for people to know that that like what we're doing with our work on the occult rejects and each one of our own channels is we're trying to help people on the path of individuation. That's an occult lens as well. But what we're doing is we're trying to take the physical body, mind, soul state and and and have people understand that there are signs and symbols and allegory to the great work, which is trying to take your leaden self and lift it up to the gods. Or inamblichian terms, we're trying to take the God and have it meet us in the middle somehow. And that's more of a Taoist way of understanding the world that man is but the middle path between heaven and earth. And we're doing exactly. And so when we do these things, well, that's what we're talking about, no matter which way we're talking about it. But when when these fucking Epsteinian slash far right, like religious Abrahamic traditions or the scientific materialists say occult, they they mean it in such a different way than how we're trying to understand the world. They're meaning it in a way that's fear-based, and it goes back to this idea of Saturn and Satanism being interpenetrated, and that we need to fear this absolute evil, and so it's just a common misunderstanding, and so that's my beginning of the Epstein rant. Interesting. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:55

Uh, I agree. I I think you know, again, even not to because it's really not giving much of an answer, but I'll even add, like, there were some things I did find interesting. Like, I think I ran Jumatra through his Epstein files, and there was things where he did mention, like uh he mentioned Jumatra in there, or he even sent the link for Jematrix for people to use that. So uh I found that interesting, but to kind of piggyback off of Brandon and not to like be the dead horse, but you know, when it comes to the occult, uh you know, um a lot of people who like uh who make comments about it or seem to have like a big mouth about it or an authority on it, actually, have never even practiced anything. Um you know, uh like I'm not saying everybody like alright, this is the difference with this whole show. Not saying everybody has to be in an order to understand. So, like I have been, so I know what it's like to be in one of those places. Uh Hedless is into his own thing, he does magic his own way, he does spells, he does all that stuff, he has his own technique. Brandon has his own stuff, he does rituals as well as I do. Uh, Jules, he studies, he probably reads more cult literature than most people I actually know. You know, so he has his own way of doing it as well. But like, there's people like I'm just gonna keep it real, and I'm not trying to like really attack this guy, but this is actually a perfect example. Is that the person that White's hop kid that beat us in a cult uh rankings? That's number one. Yes, I'm sorry, but that is proof to you right there that somebody who knows jack shit about any of this is dispersing information that's fucking just silly. The kid had never got he's not even an armchair magician because he hasn't even studied this stuff, he just makes opinions. He's never been in a lodge, so he doesn't know what a secret society is like. So, you know, I got him beat on that. He doesn't know anything about certain deities and certain pantheons and mythologies, so headless has got his ass beat on that. He hasn't read any books, so Jules got his ass beat on that. You tell him Plato, you think you're actually talking about Plato, the fucking toys of kids. So Brandon's got his ass spanked with that as well. Why the fuck is that guy got a fucking opinion about anything?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:06

I like I like Isaac. Um, I did invite him on my show to talk about Twin Peaks, and he was like, Yeah, sure. And then he never hit me back. And it's like, I don't know any other podcasters or people in the this community who are into Twin Peaks, like me. Fucking I watched the entire three seasons on Patreon, firewalk with me. Like we had fucking shirts and stickers with with fucking Bob and Laura Pond. Like man, I'll just keep it real too.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:33

If I looked at rune soup, you didn't have to come on the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:36

It's fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:36

Rune soup was on that list. Uh a occult of personality was on that list, Aeon Bytes on that list. There's actual people who fucking study and this is their life for 20, 30, 40 years, and some kid with no experience in anything has a fucking say over all of us. That is fucking retarded.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:58

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:59

Um, I was just gonna add real quick, um, and then you can go for it. I I because I'm a huge Kubrick fan, I bought his um Kubrick symbolism book or whatever, and I felt robbed. It was pretty shitty. So uh just I'm just trying to make a really good book.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:20

Uh the the magic behind the mic, and he points a lot of the hip hop stuff out that that that's in there. He he actually points a lot of very uh interesting things out, but uh I mean that's about as far as it goes. What is what old Dixon Demons do? Um kind of uh probably I mean it's it's yeah, I mean it's that's what sells. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's it's basically what artists like do and say, you know, the symbolism and stuff. And he, I mean, he he does study symbolism. I I will give him that, but you know, and this may go to the looking at it through a certain lens, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:58

I think he may be an outsider, he studies it as an outsider, it's an emic versus edic understanding.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:04

Okay, well, right there.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:06

Like I said, I was just kind of let down that he didn't want to talk about Twin Peaks with me. You know, I was I was a little upset. Uh, there's no hate there though, and uh, but I understand how you guys feel. And Nick, I didn't even know that we were placed what number two, you said.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:18

Yeah, Nicole, we were beat by him. We were number one in esoteric, but it is you know, and again, I'm not just we were we were number one in what an esoteric uh podcast. Top six hey, I didn't even know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:31

Sorry if that was loud, but let's go, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:35

And in the top one percent of all major podcasts as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:38

So, I mean, that's pretty much a shout out. Uh yeah, to the ins the one of the guys who inspired me to be so esoteric. Esoteric Eddie. Love you, brother. Shout out to him. I would get him. I love to get him on wearing the hat. He, I think I can get him on the show soon. He's just busy in the family.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:55

Cool, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:56

Dude, the Moloch thing before, because now there's a lot of people talking about it. Eddie's been talking about it since he was going on Tim Foyle hat. They just never really got into the subject about it being a malt sacrifice, not a deity. You can't find the deity in any writings or any, you know, there's no representation of the deity. The bull is Baal Pior, it's it's Bal Hadad. It's all these different balls and uh Bal Shaman. But well, that that's represented by like these dick because you then you get to him and Balhaman and it starts to look like more Romanized or like Zeus and like you know, uh these like guys with beards and and um Carthaginized, I think Carthaginiized. There you go. But uh, but but yeah, man, you know, um it is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:43

When we talk about occultism, I think a lot of people think occult means deception. Occult means hidden, right? And so what we're trying to say is that it's not a lie to say that there are hidden roots to a lot of the stuff people believe in today. There are hidden roots, you've got to find it for yourself and re-occult the occult, right? So you have to be looking for the hidden so that you can, you know, de-occult the hidden. And what a lot of people don't realize is that creating this fear and this uh ambiguity and this constant, you know, uh rumor mongering about this stuff does nothing to de-occult the occult, right? So if it's hidden, I think of it like this you've got the roots, you've got the stem, you've got the leaves, and you've got the flower, right? So if the roots are rotten, the flower is gonna be rotten. You're not gonna know that until you dig up the roots and you actually find it for yourself. But you know, these things can be manipulated far more easily if it all goes behind the veil of dirt, you know, and the more dirt you pile on the roots, the less actual uh vision you have of the system and how it works and how it's connected to all of these different things. So you've got to actually dig in and look at the actual roots of this stuff so that you can understand how the stem, how the leaves, how the flower is blooming. And unfortunately, if you don't look at the roots, if you if you have some superstition about the roots and how how dangerous they are, you're never gonna understand how the flower and the leaves and everything else is working in that environment. So you gotta de-occult the occult by actually being honest about where these things come from. And we've got more anthropology than ever. He was bringing up emics and etics before. This is such an important tool that people can use. Are you actually backing up your words or are these words just hollow things? And the difference between emics and edicts is action and behavior or action and words, you know, these are the the two spheres that we're dealing with. So let's look at the actions and see what they produce as opposed to just going by people's words and seeing that instead. So it's it's so deep, but you know, once you dig in, you can start to get to the roots a little bit better. And the path of nature is within alchemy. And so what you're supposed to do is understand that everything has a root, every everything has a root. So all of these ideas come from a lot of other ideas that have been spliced together back into the primordial age, and they've come together as this plant that we see in front of us in front of us is the establishment, and we gotta actually pick that apart.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:32

Absolutely, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:35

I did have a question. Um I was just looking up uh some Epstein stuff, and um under uh esoteric interests and objects, uh, there's this occult literature, of course, that we talked about before. Uh but we also have uh documents revealed Epstein acquired three pieces of Kiswa, the sacred black and gold. Gold cloth that covers the Kaaba in Mecca. Kaaba. These were shipped to his residence in 2017 for unknown reasons. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:12

This is a weird thing with him. He also ordered like a ton of uh penguin pineal glands.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:18

Oh, penguin pineal glands, yeah. Yeah, get the fuck out of here, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:24

Well, I I someone sent me that last interview he did. I had multiple people send me that last interview. I haven't watched it, but I had a lot of people say that there is, in their opinion, he's has occult undertones in certain things he says. I haven't looked at it, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:42

I want Jesus. Are you talking about the Steve Bannon one?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:45

Yes, I'm gonna do a whole I'm gonna do a whole live stream on it where I break it down because I'm actually reading a bunch of the works that they're stemming from. So I there's a different people, the traditionalism, right? Traditionalists like Julius Evola and Renee Guanan and these different characters who actually have a lot of great things to say. I don't care what anybody fucking says. There is so much brilliance in the hermetic tradition that these guys in the mystical traditions that these guys are breaking down. But characters like Steve Bannon, and I highly recommend this book actually, War for Eternity, even though it's written by some poofed or liberal. But the idea is that um the idea is that it's truly like um helping us understand what has been going on historically through these accelerationist cults that are going on with these different traditional versus progressive um uh this warfare that's been going on. And so I just lead it to Epstein and Bannon because these two Bannon plays this game where he tries to act like he's in he's a dodo brain and he's not. This guy knows exactly what he's doing.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:52

He's I just said he's a chaos magician.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:56

But the thing is he's not a chaos magician, he's a traditionalist, and he's so well read on the mystical and magical aspects of the occult and different things like that. It's fucking crazy. And so to be able to break down this conversation with these two individuals through the esoteric and the occult lens will truly give uh a good understanding for the different games that are being played on so many different levels, which is why it's so hard for the common person to even understand what the fuck is going on these days. And why I think people work like the Illuminatus trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson is one of the most important reads for this day and age because once you understand that there are all of these different small little mystery school cult slash eagle personalities from all walks of life, and that there are like 23 different constant conspiracies at all times, and that nobody is fucking driving this planet, and we want to think that there are. Um, I think that's the greatest understanding because then you can bring it back to your own nervous system, which is what this book's trying to say of the Illuminati trilogy is we drive or the magician, and you are the person that is the priest. I was gonna say, you drive this. We're trying, like and yes, yes, and Buckminster Fuller is talking about that with his idea of uh space the um how the the manual for spaceship earth is that that manual is to then tap into your own nervous system through certain practices and become your own priest warrior king, you know. That's so that's I just think it's uh you hit something perfect, Nick, when you were bringing up this cup fucking conversation. Because why is Steve Bannon talking to Epstein and trying to like coach him through some kind of marketing ploy of trying to make him look better?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:42

You know, it's I think he thought that Epstein was gonna live and they were gonna get through it, and uh yeah, he did.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:49

Who the fucking knows? Epstein could be alive right now. We don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:53

You know, Bannon was like hooting and hollering for him and saying he was innocent with all that shit in the originally when it first came up. You also put money, and then like all of a sudden, like MAGA people think like Bannon's like a good guy, and it's just like what it's crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:09

Oh, yeah, it's wild. It's the good, yeah. The good guy thing. It's like, oh, he's trying to save us. He goes, No, if you can if we can understand the accelerationists that are trying to move us through chaos, it's crazy. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:24

Well, I had uh a kind of an interesting uh sort of um I guess you could say Epstein connection. So there's recently been a connection made between Epstein and the Epstein twins that wrote the uh screenplay for Casablanca. So I have it uh picked up here on the screen. Yeah, uh if I'm sharing my screen there, so yeah, yeah. So Julius Epstein and Philip Epstein wrote the screenplay for Casablanca, which Casablanca, if you don't know, it was about this sort of uh uh spy hub, right? And with the uh with the idea, there is that they made a neutral territory so all of these people from different uh warring nations could come together and figure out the the details of their their horse trading at this Casablanca. Now that's also the White House, right? So the idea is uh with this Epstein saga, one of their sons wrote a book that was uh all about this this kind of a thing. Um, let me see if I can pull that up there. So the uh Epstein twins had a son that wrote a book that almost specifically Beat for Beat lays out the life of Epstein.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:45

Oh, this is that thing you sent us the other day. That's crazy. That that fucking thing is crazy. Oh, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:54

Excited.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:56

So the son of Philip G. Epstein, one of the famous Oscar-winning twins who wrote Casablaca, uh, Leslie wrote in 2000 three a drive novel from memory. That's not it. Uh, let me see San Romeo Drive. Leslie, the but, anyways, this this guy who wrote the book, one of the uh sons of Philip Epstein, uh, was uh looks almost exactly like the Epstein that we know. And so his book was a lot about uh Epstein, which is really weird. So yeah, if I could find that real quick, I don't know, you can come back to me, I'll find the video. But it's just it's so strange how this these themes of like uh cloning and twins and all the rest of this stuff come up around this Epstein guy. He wants to he had this Zoro ranch where he's supposed to have these women that were just pumping out his his babies. I mean, what's going on with that? Is that related to these other people?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:00

I mean, I I look at my wife and I I'm I still think to myself, you know, like I'm gonna put 20 babies in here. But but what is this alias? I mean, is this dude looking at like kids saying that? You know what I mean? Like, no, dude, you should be taken out back for that. So that's that's that's where it gets weird, is like, you know, the consent age for for these people. Um but then you look at some of it and they were like 17, you know, and then like went on to model and still like you know. I mean, I I know there's that one chick that came out. What what was her name? Vic uh Victoria um Virginia, Virginia, yeah, yeah. Then she died. Suicide. Oh, you don't fucking say wow, allegedly, allegedly it was allegedly allegedly. I didn't know that. Like, I knew she had maybe died. I didn't know it was a suicide. Yeah, weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:55

Of course, of course it was.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:57

Uncanny. Uh, but yeah, dude. No, I mean, I don't know. I encourage people to have kids. My son just that's amazing. I have to pay him. Uh guys, if you want to support the show, go to patreon.com slash grey pill podcast. Uh yeah, JC will plug you in.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:16

Always marketing, Jules. Always got that marketing plug going on.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:19

I have to have to bring, man. I have a merch. I have fucking after two years, man. Oh, I'm coming out with merch soon. 1500 followers.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:28

All right. I got it pulled up. So it's uh it's King of the Jews about this guy named Trumpleman. Right? Yeah, Trumpleman.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:40

Yeah, it's fucking a while.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:42

It's a Leslie Epstein, it's a dark satirical novel, uh, made in Nazi-occupied Polish ghetto during the Holocaust, based upon the events of Log's ghetto. The story follows C I. C. Trumpleman, Icy Trumpleman, the eccentric and sometimes menacing director of an orphanage who's chosen the head of Judorant. Now, this is the kid of one of these Epsteins. This is Leslie Epstein, and so the King Dilemma, the title refers to Trumpleman, who believes that by cooperating with the Germans and organizing the ghetto into a productive industrial unit, he can save some Jews, sacrificing the few to save the many. And now we're in a war where they're sacrificing the few to save the many by Trumpleman. So this novel uses elements of dark comedy and absurdity to portray the impossible choices faced by Jewish leadership under the Nazis. So uh it explores the idea of moral ambiguity, right? So, what better way to describe this stuff? And this was back in 1979 when he's writing this. And if you look up uh let me let me see a picture if I could get uh Leslie Epstein here. So look at this guy's face. Oh come on, he just looks like a more Jewish Jeffrey, it looks like his brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:00

There's the exact yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:03

And this is one of the kids of the uh Epstein twins that wrote Casablanca again, sort of like a spy novel. So, you know, these guys are spies and they're doing all this stuff. It's uh it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:17

Well, it's some synchromystic shit, you know what I mean? It's like it's so crazy how it's easy to like wrap certain ways of thinking about it into our mind, you know. I like the idea of cloning or I like these ideas, it's a more imagination sci-fi, and we as we know reality is stranger than fiction. But there's also another way of like trying to understand what the esoteric or the mystical or the magical traditions are trying to do, and it's trying to truly understand consciousness. And so if we can understand that consciousness isn't exactly the way we think it is, nor can we ever actually truly talk about it, we can have a better understanding of what Carl Jung talks about synchronicities and being that these pattern-making things that happen through time that we can see, and we it's like it's I like to think of it as ways of remembering the true nature of the strange and the weird. Because once we understand that consciousness is this malleable thing of it trying to continually wake you up, as in like, don't you see? I'm gonna slap you in the face until you realize that you are a mortal god, and then once you realize that you can actually start to like like not even let these things worry worry about them anymore, and then you can start writing your own fiction, as as Aeon Byte, as Miguel always says, write your own gospel, live your own myth. And I just think that's such an important aspect of all this.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:46

Well, no, that's fucking you just put that into a song.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:49

That was my voice. Yeah, see, I I thank you. I've been practicing my Miguel Connor for a long time. No, shout out Miguel.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:57

I had uh yeah, man, shout out Aeon Byte. I had him on the show, uh, talking to Colt Elvis and Bowie and uh Gnosticism. It was great, man. Miguel's a great guest. Great guest, great guest. Uh uh, I really want to have him back on again soon. My I think my wife wants to interview him. So Babylon, Babylon. I'm gonna be doing some Beyblon episodes here soon, guys. So expect uh, you know what the hell is gotta talk about the divine feminine?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:22

Whoa, so demons just on the opposite end of the synchronicity sort of wormhole is retro causality, right? So, what what we see as being related in the past could be the form of this sort of synchromysticism coming together and forming future events. So, all of these different people around certain things might be retro causality influencing the future. Let's say uh Back to the Future Part two, where you've got this Trump-like figure owning the world from the top of his casino, you know, and you've got this other book about how you know this bearing. Snake Eyes, Charlie Kirk.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:06

Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:09

So, in a retro causality way, like we're getting sort of waves of synthesis happening where this this fiction in the past embeds itself into our minds, and then that comes out as uh maybe unexpected or you know partially related events in the future. So it could also explain a lot of the uh what do they call that, where you think something happened and then you look back at it and it's not there. What's what's that called? The um Mandela effect, right? And so you've got these Mandela effects where maybe this is a retro causality thing as well. So, you know, if we can explore the nature of consciousness more, I think we can come to more concrete conclusions when it comes to this. But you know, retrocausality is uh is an interesting thing being studied by science right now as a as a means of communication using all of these uh new quantum computing devices. Is that messing up the retrocausality field or the quantum field around us? This these are unanswered questions, but as we you know come into more of these events, I mean who knows what movie is going to be coming true next.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:15

Headless, are you familiar with the Baron Trump books?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:19

That's what I was talking about, yeah. But again, that goes way back.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:24

Oh, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:25

I thought it's it's all about time travel, and I was talking today on the trilogues, you know, time travel from the outside. We always think of time travel from the perspective of the protagonist, right? So he's just traveling through time and he sees himself as a mortal human being. But what would everybody else see this person as? They would see them as a god, right? So, in our perception of time travel, there is the the godhood sort of thing happening. So, you know, what what could be a form of time travel or something is is happening on a retro causality level, it it sort of elevates these people to a divinity or some sort of apotheosis by breaking these space-time barriers.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:12

Crazy I think yeah, I I I'm interested in that. And that would be a great topic to uh to do some like deeper talking on, deeper discussion on because like yeah, I think that's real for sure. Um I just I just feel like uh almost like an when you when you can connect those dots um and you notice those connections and similarities and you know coincidences, whatever you want to call them, I definitely feel like it and there's an energy that almost gets unlocked um within and it you just comes without and you kind of feel it. And uh so yeah, I think that's real for sure. So that's interesting. Um I appreciate you bringing that up.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:00

I got some uh really disturbing retro causality that I brought up on the uh Headless's magical mailbag. So there's the Babylon cylinder seal, if you want to look that up. Babylon cylinder seal. It should be one of the first things that pops up, but just looking at it gives you uh a real pause about what we're doing over the Middle East right now. That's uh kind of disturbing and just pull an image up. Yeah, pull an image up. Let's see what we can do with this. Uh no, that's not it. Um look up Babylon Nuke cylinder seal or nuclear cylinder seal.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:42

Okay. Oh, I bet it's this one, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:50

So this is uh these cylinder seals were used for magic as well as for signing a person's name.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:57

Come on, dude. That that bomb was brought here by an exiled Niberian king, dude. Face on Mars.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:07

So you see, that's obvious, even the radiation, even the radiation, and you got these arrows pointing down as as this king is dropping this nuclear bomb. So you want to talk about retro causality? What are we looking at here?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:23

And you and look at the hair on this guy dropping the bomb. Look at that hair, look at that hair piece. That's a Trump hair piece.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:34

The the wife of Inky, her father, brought all the the weapons of destruction here, and then Anzu, one of these uh lower ranked angels.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:44

Now, hold on, they're saying that this is uh uh this is uh created by Stephen Parker. I'm not sure who Stephen Parker is.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:51

Okay, well, never mind.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:52

This could be a myth, but you know, again, like it's really hard to get to the truth of anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:57

If that's I mean, who's who's Stephen Parker?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:01

I'm not sure. Just a note for when you see this Babylon cylinder seal, it's in fact a product by Stephen Parker at Agne Clockworth, where he states over the years, Stephen Parker has been active in the design and manufacture of products in two industries toys and jewelry. Uh so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:20

So he must have read some sitchin.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:24

Maybe they're trying to, you know, hyper hyper stitching this into reality.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:30

I think it's I mean, I really think it's all symbolic all the way to the wrestling matches and them being castrated. But uh, you know, you guys gotta be careful about what you imagine and bring into reality because a lot of people I've I've read the ancient Mesopotamian myths, but I've always viewed them through like an esoteric lens, a physical lens, like a symbolic lens. Um, you know, you can find the thing is when you read them before I read that shit before I start before I had uh read the Bible. And once I started reading the Bible, the old testament, I was like, all right, well, I've read this before, and then I've you know, oh wow, I've seen this before. This is weird. This name is actually this name.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:12

Yeah, shout out to Dr. Heather Lynn. I think everybody should read her book. You can get her on, Messi Revelation. Yeah, she's a hard woman to get a hold of, she's very busy, but uh you definitely should. Yeah, and Anunnaki Revel Revelation. It's um it basically what she does is she uh takes through uh Mesopotamian myths, yeah. Dr. Heatherlyn Mesop Mesopotamian myths of Enki and Enlil, and through her renegade archaeology, right? She's got she's um she's an archaeologist, um, she talks about them through an ultra-terrestrial lens and trying to see that the Anunnaki are actually uh exactly what the Enlil and Enki are, which then stem from the pre-Younger Dryas period, um, where she's connecting it to the Gobleki Tempies and all those types of things. And so she's brilliant, um, an ultra-terrestrial being that through certain practices, these old magician warrior priests understood the nature, cyclical nature of our planet. And in doing so, they could see when these time periods are like going over where everything will be destroyed, and then they collect everything and do an off-world civilization for a little bit as our universe goes through these things, and then all of a sudden they come back and they give the people who survive the Neolithic slash hunter gatherer tribes the the rules and laws of how to live a life. And in doing so, it rebuilds civilization from the ground up, from the ruins of the old world, and that these gods or the the um the people who are above the Anunnaki, I can't remember the name right now, but those are seen through being able to fine-tune the nervous system through these magical, mystical, and religious practices to be able to then speak to them. And that's how we get to Epstein, Steve Bannon, and what the oligarchical parasitic class are doing today with their building and where did the$27 trillion go that Catherine Austin Fitz is trying to talk about with this off-world civilization as our own planet goes through its own cyclical nature. So it's this, it's not, this isn't new what we're seeing right now. It is the old myth coming true, where now the people who are in power think that they can talk to ancient Sumerian gods, as Tim Dillon says in his hilarious fucking skit. And when they're like Sam Altman and Peter Thiel, as he's talking right now, he's doing a fucking talk in Europe about the Antichrist that no one else can get into. You gotta have a special little in Spain, you gotta have your own special little thing to get into his talks. And he's you know, they're all talking about these same things, and so that's why it goes back. Dr. Heather Lynn because she's like digging up the dirt of trying to understand what is going on and why archaeology isn't catching up to like the Graham Hancock type of thing of the day. That we are we are a civilization with amnesia.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:14

Big time. Big time. And I'll I think a lot of people don't realize that once the conversion over Christianity took place in the uh fourth century AD, 90% of the classical texts are missing from our history. All we know of are the uh references made in those texts to other works that have disappeared. So that's just like a head injury. You know, we we don't have that stuff to be able to measure against. So the stuff we do have is heavily weighted in one direction because that's sort of what the scribes were told to write down. If it wasn't for a bunch of scribes going against these edicts, we wouldn't know anything about the classical world, which is really sad to think about. And now we're going through another great reset. So enjoy the show, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:04

Yeah, which is why the magical practices are so important to do. Why getting in and fine-tuning your nervous system with the hermetic tradition or whatever you know, tradition you want to find yourself with? And then I'm gonna shout out to Nick over the Occult Rejects right now, and and like he's bringing on all these amazing voices in the spheres of magic, mysticism, archaeology. Like, I would have never met Dr. Heather Lynn without Nick bringing her on and us having such a fucking brilliant conversation. And so it's like some of the only like the reason I started Magus in the Media, let alone is just so I could get my own voice into the pool of the public square. And I think that when more people, and then you get somebody like Nick being able to bring these characters on and interview them, that's how we change the world, and that's one of the only ways to change the world is to get your voice in the public square. So again, Don DeMarco fucking Nick of the Occult Rejects, the Cardinal Electric Head himself.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:02

Thank you. Well, I will say, and I've even said it before, it's like a two-way street. These people gotta know who the fuck I am if I want to make a difference.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:09

It's so true. Yeah, that's exactly it.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:11

Yeah, I just gotta put my folder with my name inside their head at some point. That'll probably happen coming on the show.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:20

Um, well, guys, uh, I think this is a perfect time to uh call her a day. Um, I know you guys are all very busy. I appreciate all the time you've given me, and um, it's been a pleasure uh meeting you, Brandon and Headless and uh Jules, Nick. Obviously, I love hanging out with you guys, and I'd I'd love to see you all again. Uh before we get going, though, obviously I'd love to give you guys some time to uh let everyone know where they can find you, promote any of your work. Uh so we'll go around the uh the round table here. Why don't we start with Jules? You first, my friend. You're up, batter up.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:59

Yeah, man. Thank you again, Brandon, for having us on. And uh, you know, this is the third. I I said at the beginning this was the fourth. This is actually the third. I don't know why. I thought fourth. Um, but thank you again for having us on for the third time. Um, yeah, guys, if you want to follow me on X, you can follow me uh at GrayPild Pod and then um inst Instagram at graypilld underscore podcast over on YouTube and Rumble. Try to get me past a thousand, please. I'm almost there on YouTube. A little ways to go on Rumble. Uh Apple Podcast, Spotify, because I am not allowed on Spreaker for some reason, um, unknown to me. And then uh over on Patreon if you want to support the show, patreon.com slash great pill podcast. Gods of the morning wood is over there. Got some other uh exclusive stuff that we're doing along the way, especially here uh in in the new year, right? Because for me, the year just began. It's spring, you know, the winter is over, and so it's time to be reborn, guys. And uh yeah, go and buy merch from me. You can go to you can go get a hoodie like this. I have a uh hand of hold on, let me give me a second. Sorry, I'm don't be sorry, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:17

This is your time, your time to shine.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:19

Oh no, he's burning up. Um hand of Sebasius shirt. Yeah, redid on AI. And uh yeah, one of the mini hands, which I have an episode I'm gonna be doing soon. Uh dive on Sebasius, uh, the Thracian rider and the mini hands. I have a great PDF that explains different cultures, what the hands represented, the symbols on them, you know, the hand of the mysteries. And so uh yeah, I got a lot of other cool shirts like this over there, some Valsanga saga shirts, all the designs I remade in AI and put on there. They're not stolen or anything, so don't try to fuck with me. Um, yeah, and uh yeah, go over to the occult rejects and follow us over there. We have a lot of cool shit we do. Uh Gods of the morning wood every Saturday morning next week. We are reading uh what did I land on? Was it Mysteries of the Druids? We landed on the Darkening Age, but we landed on the Orlenda as well. So I think if you can make it Headless, we'll do the Darkening Age. But uh, we could do three books, hell. Uh, but that's the Patreon show. We do Saturday mornings, and then we have a show called Rustic Gods that me and Headless do. Nick is always there, and I think Brandon was at the last one, which was a great episode, uh, where we go over the Greek rustic gods and uh themes in that culture, a lot of cool shit that we talk about on that show. Um, but yeah, yeah. Again, guys, uh, crush that chaos serpent, crush Typhon. Um, fear nothing, question everything, and stay gray pilled. Jordan, thanks.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:52

Thank you, thank you. Uh Nick, you're up, my friend. Go for it.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:57

Uh, thank you very much. Uh, yeah, the uh the occult rejects. Uh it's on BitChute Rumble YouTube whole major podcast. Uh, we do also have uh cult researchinstitute.org. If you're into reading, you can go check that out. And uh yeah, just keep uh keep an eye on on the channel. We got a bunch of uh big people coming on soon, hopefully in the future. So keep it interesting. And I do have some uh some interesting stuff coming out that I'm doing by myself. So if anybody wants to hate anybody, they can hate on me and not the rest of everybody else. But it will be trying to uh maybe uh well I would I just want to try to educate some Christians out there. So I got a lot of shit coming out that's back to back to back to back, so it should be interesting. So uh yeah, keep an eye out for that. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:44

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:45

All right, Brandon, go for it, my friend. Please let's hit it. Yeah, just um head over to Magus in the Media where we're breaking down myth, magic, and meaning and the stories that you and I and we love. Lots going on, lots of craziness. But all that matters is that your own you're your own magician, warrior, king lover. Don't forget the inner romantic and the inner bar. Just go go subscribe, like, and share and make sure to watch all these other people, these great people's works. We're just trying to change the world one nervous system at a time. Thank thank you, Jordan. I had a fantastic day. I I'm so appreciative that you held this conversation for us all to have, and I look forward to chatting with you again.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:25

Thank you. It's a pleasure to meet you, man. Headless, last but definitely not least, please go, my friend. You're up.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:32

Thank you for having me on. You can find my show at the Headless Giant. And uh, if you have any strange occult slash esoteric stories, you can send them to the Headless Giant Podcast at gmail.com, and we will read those out on Thursday along with our remote viewing show. So those are audience participation. If you want to learn how to remote view and get into that uh that paradigm, check us out where we're getting better as we go. So it's gonna be uh a fun journey together, and uh anybody can participate. Yeah, right. And uh also uh I do the trilogues every Sunday with Ethan Indigo and Ricard Calvadio, where we talk about a lot of really interesting, interconnected stuff that doesn't seem interconnected at first, but we always find a way to synthesize that information and make it uh palatable and reachable for people to to really start to understand. So, and also don't get fooled by fake uh cylinder seals like I did. Don't be like me with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:29

I'm glad that we talked about it blew my mind at first. I was like, what the hell? But that's okay. We learned something today, right? We learned something.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:36

I didn't get a site saying it was real, but who knows?

SPEAKER_02 1:58:39

So, dude, look the story. There's stories that mention that kind of stuff, guys. When you view things, man, try to view it through a lens that that's not you know uh subjective to any side, right? And I'm not I know it's cliche to view it objectively, but like it's just true, man. It's it's I think it's important, and I and I think you can find different interpretations which which make certain things beautiful, right? Or you can you know you may find the ugly side of things, right? I I don't know, but uh depending on what path you're on. So be your own uh be your own mystic.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:17

Um well um also you know Jules Jules send me your uh the link through X, your um your merch site.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:28

Yeah, it's greypill.printify.me. I don't even think I said it because I was talking about this fucking hand on my shirt. But um but but but yeah, because uh it's it's it's a the the image of it is quite captivating when you look at it, you're just like wow, yeah, I don't know what it is. Also, getting into the Thracian uh peoples, dude. I mean, down to what they wore to battle is just like whoa, like who no one else was dressing like this. Well, there were other people, but anyway, show's over.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:59

Yeah, I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll get it to you through uh from you through at I got you, brother.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:03

And uh I mean and we still gotta get my wife on your show because you yeah, and uh I need to follow through.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:11

Yeah, and I'll ask you about your show as well. Uh and Nick, you guys have you guys have merch for the rejects, right? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:18

Oh, yes, it's on the uh yeah, it's on the uh site now. Yes, we got two different t-shirts that we could uh check out.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:23

I'll get the uh okay. I'll get what side is it on?

SPEAKER_04 2:00:26

I'll get the uh cult research institute. Yeah, okay, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:31

Okay, cool, man. All right, yeah. I'll get the link from you because uh I will uh oh just DM me then.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:36

Just DM me.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:36

Yeah, yeah. I'll scrounge some money aside and I I'd like to support both you guys. So um yeah, anyways, uh thank you guys all. I appreciate uh you guys coming on. Uh it was great to meet uh Brandon and Headless. Thanks to all the uh viewers and listeners and watchers out there. Uh before I go, please subscribe to the Divulgence podcast on YouTube, Rumble, uh Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts. Uh tune in tomorrow. We have a nice four-way Epstein discussion with um William Ramsey, uh Adam from the Truth Desk and Hadsburg Jolly West. On the 19th, we got Crow777 coming on. The 20th, we got Adam from the Truth Desk coming on, and uh yeah, we got more much more coming on in March. So uh make sure to check it out and check the um uh in the description for uh the affiliation information, and uh yeah, that's about it. Thanks again, guys. Uh I'll definitely be in touch, and uh we'll have to rock out again soon, guys, because this was good shit. So everybody be safe, be well, and take care, guys.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:46

Later.