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#108: FALSE FLAGS: Banana Wars, World Wars, 9/11, Iran, & MORE w/ Adam from The Truth Desk
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I welcome back new friend and podcaster Adam from The Truth Desk to discuss false flags, and his new documentary on the same topic. We discuss 130 years of false flags, Operation Northwoods, the Banana Wars, how in WWI the US were acting sketchy, Trump's great Pearl Harbor joke, WWII and the Europe First policy, the Gulf of Tonkin, thoughts on the moon landings, the expenses and spoils of war, and when is it WWIII?
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Welcome back to Diet Evolving, everybody. We have Adam from the Truth Desk in the house. What's going on, Adam? How are you today, my friend?
SPEAKER_01Not much, Jordan. Uh doing good. Glad to be here.
SPEAKER_06Right on, my friend. Well, it's always good to have you. Um, you have just dropped a new documentary on false flags, uh, which I saw it and it was really well done, uh, really well researched. Thank you. Very well narrated. Um great uh main character figure. Uh why don't you tell us a little bit about that? And let's uh because I'd love to talk about that today.
SPEAKER_04Sure. Uh so false flags are um they're a tactic used by governments in warfare to uh when one government wants to attack another country, um, they orchestrate an event that makes it look like they're being attacked and uh gives them a pretext to justify that war that they want. Uh, an example of that, you know, a lot of people, I would put myself in this camp, think that 9-11 was a false flag to get some wars that the Bush administration wanted. But I mean, there's there's several examples of you know, outright false flags or just deception that have been used to start pretty much every war that the US has been involved in for the past 130 years. And I even thought about going further to like the Civil War and like the attack on Fort Sumter. Um, but I just at the end of the day, that's a lot of research. So I I just did 130 years and uh went through every war Spanish American, World War One, World War II, Vietnam, First Gulf, and then obviously 9-11. And uh I mean, I I really it's a 50-minute documentary, and I I really feel that if most if people knew this information that's in it, our ideas about government and power would be very different. Um, so I am I'm just gonna play the uh trailer here. That's alright.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, man, absolutely. I think um I think people definitely need to see it. So yeah, let's let's roll the trailer at the at the very least, for sure.
SPEAKER_04Okay. Uh I am going to um let's see here.
SPEAKER_06Pop her up on the share screen is probably your best bet.
SPEAKER_04Uh so we're just gonna play the first minute and a half.
SPEAKER_03Um told you that all wars are started by lies. Either by outright Sorry, I'll restart that. What if I told you that all wars are started by lies? Either by outright deception, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction, or staged mass casualty events known as false flags.
SPEAKER_04Public opinion is manipulated into believing the best course of action is to send our military halfway around the world to murder people we have no connection to.
SPEAKER_00And for that higher cause, you can disregard all the normal rules of morality.
SPEAKER_04Wait, wait, wait. This all sounds like some sort of crackpot conspiracy theory. The United States government would never murder its own citizens to justify a war. We're the good guys, right? Today, we're gonna uncover how generations of Americans have been lied to, have had their thoughts manipulated into hating others. All to line the pockets of big business and weapons manufacturers. I warn you, once you're awake, once you know the truth, you can never go back to sleep.
SPEAKER_03Pretty pretty proud of that trailer.
SPEAKER_06So uh nice, man. Yeah, good job. Yeah, I mean it's a great it's a great talk, man. It really is. I mean, I was just telling you this uh before the show, but uh I think you did a great job. Everything's well researched and well presented, and you uh you build it up and knock it down in a very well thought out way. So uh props to you.
SPEAKER_04I appreciate that. Yeah, I started it um uh so after that it gets into um the um Operation Northwoods, which was a proposed U.S. false flag in 1962. Uh it was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That would be the the head of the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and the Marines. Uh, basically the top brass, the top military commanders in the U.S. approved this plan. Uh, and JFK rejected it. And uh, of course, this was after the CIA's failed Bay of Pigs invasion. Uh, that created a lot of uh dissent between JFK and the CIA. JFK would go on to fire the the head of the CIA, the deputy director of the CIA. He fired the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff over Operation Northwoods. Um, which side thing here, it's it's hilarious to me when people say that Israel killed JFK because it's like just I'm sure they weren't happy with them, but there was a lot of people in America that that weren't. Yeah, but that was that was Alan Dulles, right? That he fired. Yes, the Alan Dulles was the the head of the CIA, the longest serving member, um, the longest serving uh head of the CIA. But uh Operation Northwoods, uh, the first time I read it, these documents, I was like, it it almost made me fall out of my chair. It was they they were planning on um staging fake military attacks against the U.S. base in Guantanamo Bay. Uh, they were gonna shoot mortars at it. They were going to blow up boats of Cuban refugees, and this was all to blame on Fidel Castro and the newly communist government to justify a war. Uh, they they were going to paint U.S. military planes to look like Russian MiGs and uh Cuban jets, and they were going to harass civilian uh U.S. civilian aircraft. They planned to shoot down a civilian airliner, a chartered uh plane. They planned to uh drop incendiary bombs on Nicaraguan cane fields. I mean, this this plan and that they all of these were suggestions that they could do. Um, another suggestion was they could uh explode plastic bombs in American cities, start riots. I I mean the the document is is incredibly damning. And so for for people that think, you know, just as 9-11 for an example, I feel like the main resistance people have to this is that's crazy, the government would never do something like that. When in fact, yes, they would. Um, you know, that's that's the main uh takeaway that we can get from uh from Operation Northwoods. Uh in fact, and this is not a uniquely American thing. Um most people think that the Germans started World War II, right? The the event that started World War II was the German invasion of Poland. People think that Hitler just attacked Poland because he's a jerk. Well, Hitler conducted an extensive false flag campaign against the Polish. Um, there's he he he dressed up um seven or nine concentration camp guard uh prisoners in Polish military uniforms. He took them to the Polish military border, uh, the Polish German border, shot them, and then said, Look, the Poles are attacking us. Um he he start he had fake radio communications from Poland. Um, and he and this was like a month-long thing where he had been orchestrating this fake Polish aggression against Germany. And if you read the speech where he invaded Poland, it's like for months I have asked for peace and Poland has has uh denied it, and we're now going to respond with the same aggression that we have been faced with for months. And I mean, if you read the speech, if you were an ordinary German at the time, you'd be like, Yeah, let's attack Poland, just like the United States was at the start of the Iraq invasion and the Afghanistan War. Uh same thing with Imperial Japan. There was an incident called the Mukden incident, where uh the Imperial Japanese made it look like the Chinese were blowing up their rail lines, and and so false flags are not um they're they're a common tactic used. Um, and and uh if if more people understood that, uh, you know, I feel like a lot of people have a happy-go-lucky perception of government and power, right? Our government would never do that. It's like they would, and and they have and they have for probably centuries, you know. We just have more modern examples, but you know, people even you know point back to ancient Rome and and the great fire of Rome and Emperor Nero playing his violin as Rome burned because he wanted to redo the city, and so he created so these kinds of things have been going on for a really long time.
SPEAKER_06For sure, man. And sometimes they they kind of accomplish their goal, and sometimes obviously they they leave such an everlasting imprint. Like I'd say 9-11 is maybe one of the um the biggest false flags of them all, because not only did it start the wars, but it kind of just laid a foundation for changes in law, changes in um surveillance, changes, changes in uh you know the way you look at war and the way the uh the newer generations of the Middle East, uh sorry, the newer generations of Americans saw the Middle East, and I think it just kind of paved away for a lot of stuff that's still happening today. Um, I'd say you can kind of link it back, right? Um, so these things have such yeah, such impact um on history, um, aside from you know the whitewashing um and rewriting that it sometimes does. But um, yeah, it's it's it's unbelievable. Um, so I don't know where should we uh where should we begin here? I know why don't you talk a little bit about the Banana Wars? That was a good one that was uh featured in your your documentary.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the Banana Wars. So that was really the start of American imperialism, uh, and it and it coincided pretty well with industrialization. Um you know, and and now all of a sudden you had rich businessmen in America. Um, the really the start of it was the Spanish-American War. Um, the Spanish-American War was uh, and and I get into this in the documentary, but the the event that started it was the sinking of a ship called the USS Maine. And uh basically at the the the Cubans were fighting a war of independence against the Spanish. So we sent down the USS Maine to protect American interests in Cuba during that war. The ship's down there for a few weeks, and eventually a big explosion blows the thing up, sinks it. Immediately the American press blames Spain. And it just starts this, you know, and it you know, it's it's exactly the same thing that happens at the start of every war. But uh immediately the press starts to run wild with it. None of the facts of this are known. None of the no investigations have been done, and people are just screaming for a war with Spain. So eventually we get it. Comes out later, like a hundred years later, in the 1970s, they actually you like uh they they um float the thing to the surface and they examine it, they find out that it was an internal fire that uh ignited an adjacent ammo pile. So could have been um in intentional sabotage, like a false flag, but you know, could have been an accident too. But the U.S. gains um Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and um uh some one other place. But this is this is really good for American business, specifically fruit companies and banana plantation owners, because now they can go into these new territories, they can set up farms, mines, banks, all kinds of stuff, and the American government protects them. So, and and this is important for people to understand too. I mean, it's it's similar to what you see in Ukraine. You know, part of the reason that this war in Ukraine is going on is for so long Ukraine was a Soviet bloc country, and and you couldn't have American investment come in. And you know, if you're a multinational conglomerate type company, there's not a lot of avenues for you to go in and make more money. So when a new territory opens up, that's that's a huge opportunity for them to expand. And so that's what these banana plantation owners do. Um, and then the the Spanish-American war after that, you've got I don't know how many um police actions after that, but countries like Nicaragua, Haiti, Honduras, the Dominican Republic, the the U.S. sends Marines down there, they send troops down there to um affect regime change or to influence what's going on. Officially, they're sold to the American public as preventing European influence or stabilizing lawless countries. Really, they're uh because of lobbying from fruit plantation owners and banana plantation owners, um, which is which is crazy to think that you know wars and death are being fought over fucking bananas, right? Um, but there's there's even in the document, I even uh there's a story, and this is a true thing. A guy named Samuel Zamuri, uh, a banana plantation owner, uh, he was upset at the president of Honduras because he was giving him trouble in his banana business. So he buys a decommissioned U.S. battleship, rearms it with cannons, hires mercenaries, and goes down and deposes the president of Honduras. Now, of course, this is in a time where the Hondurans probably had like maybe muskets or something, you know, they hadn't industrialized yet. That's why this was possible. Was you could just have an industrialized battleship with some industrialized soldiers that have modern cartridge to write rounds, you know, and they can go down there and and knock off some some some guys with black powder muskets. But I mean that's just that's an insane concept, you know. Imagine if imagine if uh you know Elon Musk did that, or or or Bill Gates or something.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, the Smedley thing is wild. Yeah. That was a good part in your in your doc. It it comes in pretty early, so it it uh it definitely starts off great. It's a great doc, man. I love it. Thanks really.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you bring up Smedley Butler, and and there's a great quote. There's multiple great quotes by him, but he wrote uh a book called War as a Racket. And he was he was involved in all of these banana wars. He was a major general, he was actually um a prominent industrialist in the U.S. Uh organized a coup in America. They were going to have uh basically they wanted to install Smedley Butler as a fascist dictator of the U.S. And Smedley Butler got cold feet and basically blew the whistle on this whole thing. Nobody was ever arrested. So yeah, yeah, War is a Racket by Smedley Butler. So he's got a lot of great quotes, but eventually he he, you know, his eyes kind of got opened and he realized that all of these wars that he fought, all of the death, all of the destruction was just so um American capitalists could make a few extra dollars. Um, and it and it really affected him. And so that's why he wrote that book. And that was in 1933. So, you know, imagine what it's like today. I mean, this stuff doesn't go away. Um, you know, and in the in the documentary we get into the military-industrial complex, it's like these companies, you know, Raytheon Boeing, Lockheed Martin, these companies that make most of their profits off of war, they want more war. They want to lobby the government for more war. Um, they they view it as, you know, just like if you were uh automobile manufacturer and you were lobbying the government to create more roads. That they they view it as akin to that. Um, so it's it's really important for people to understand this that a lot of a lot of war and a lot of conflict is is fought because of this, because of capitalists who want more market cap, or military companies who who uh want a market for their armaments.
SPEAKER_06Right. Yeah, man, for sure. Um have you read War's racket by any chance? I have not, no. I think I'm gonna uh geez, it's pretty cheap on Amazon actually. I'm gonna uh add it to cart. There we go. There you go. I'm gonna uh check that out. So because that sounds very interesting, actually. When I watched your documentary and I saw that segment and then the big quote that you had up there, um I thought, oh that's geez, that's really interesting. And now that you now that you speak on it a bit more, it's like okay, I'm gonna have to uh I'm gonna have to check that out. So there you go. I'll let you know. I'll I'll keep you updated on that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he's got you know he's got several amazing quotes. Um, I actually had an alternate ending for that documentary. Um, I I really anytime on YouTube you put something at the end of your video that lets people know it's ending, they start clicking off. Um basically, my alternate ending was um it it goes, it went through every US president. Um, Trump, Biden, uh Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton. They were all draft dodgers, in case you didn't know. Yeah, for sure, man. Big time. So, and then there was a quote by Smedley Butler at the end of basically how many of these war millionaires have actually fought in these wars that they wanted, you know, how many of them have spent nights in the trenches and stuff like that. It was it was really cool, but um, I I took it off because I'm like, man, every time I put something like this in, people just start fucking clicking off the video.
SPEAKER_06Uh fair enough, man. Um well, look at this here. We got a shout out to Philip uh Philip Blair20. It's a free YouTube audiobook, apparently. Oh wow. War is a racket. So there you go. I think I might uh might still buy it though. There you go. Right on. All right, moving on. Um why don't we talk a little bit about uh I think it's interesting also the the world wars. Um when you start getting into um, you know, well, obviously, you know, the world wars uh are legitimate, right? Um, so yeah, you want to maybe step us through that a little bit? I think that would be very interesting. Sure.
SPEAKER_04So uh I'm I'm I'm not up on like a lot of people, you know, if you look at it, you look at the creation of the Federal Reserve, you know, what when was 1913 uh and then 1917, you have the or it was the Federal Reserve, and then the income tax was like a year later, and then you had the first world war because you need a lot of tax to fight these wars, they're not they're not cheap. Um, and and world war one's crazy for a lot of reasons. I mean, you had people that were trained on wooden battleships with sails that by the end of the war are commanding modern metal battleships, but uh the uh at the at the onset of World War One, which the US didn't get involved for like two or three years, the war was raging, and um most people were isolationists in America. 80 to 90 percent were so-called America first, just like you have today. And uh one of the events that really galvanized people into um wanting to get involved in this conflict was the sinking of a ship called the RMS Louis Titania, which was a civilian cruise liner, kind of like the Titanic, a big steamship that was sunk in uh British waters. It killed 200 Americans, like 1700 people. And, you know, just like with the sinking of the USS Maine, you know, there were slogans remember the Louis Titania. Um the the press started reporting. On German barbarianism. That was a big thing too with this propaganda. You started to, and propaganda was big in both world wars, of actually, I mean, it's basically just straight up racist kind of stuff. They would portray like Japanese people as apes. They portrayed Germans as apes. And you know, there's um a video of like this ape crushing a globe, um, you know, and this ape holding a an American woman. So um, but what was not reported on with this was that the Louis Titania was actually carrying almost 200 tons of munitions, 303 cartridges, artillery shells, um, all kinds of stuff for the war effort, uh, which made it a valid military target under international law. It was a military target, and also it violated U.S. neutrality laws because there were laws on the books that the U.S. had to be neutral during this conflict. And additionally, the German Empire had put ads out in American papers saying, hey, don't travel on British ships leaving American ports, because they knew that the British were um using them to get arms into the country. And the Germans also announced unrestricted uh submarine warfare in in uh the British waters. But all of this stuff was not reported on by the U.S. media. They just they just framed it as the Germans cowardly sunk a civilian cruise liner. And and that's the story that most people got. The fact that they were carrying arms on the ship was outright censored in the British media. And uh the the true manifest of the ship was buried for decades. I believe Winston Churchill was even part of that cover-up. Um, and in the U.S., obviously we have freedom of the press, but it was heavily underreported um and not talked about. So um, and then World War II, the stories is even odder. Um, because you know, obviously, we know about the uh attack on Pearl Harbor, which side note, did you see Trump roast the Prime Minister of Japan? Where he's you didn't tell us about Pearl Harbor. Oh man, I'm gonna see if I can pull that up for everyone. Yeah, and then the the Japanese prime minister sitting there, like her eyes get all big, and uh yeah. I mean, Trump, love him or hate him, he he definitely says stuff that uh so entertaining, man, that other politicians don't.
SPEAKER_06He's so entertaining, it's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I and I often wonder if that's that's part of his deal, you know, if he's if he's meant to be entertaining, you know. Because some of the stuff that he does is almost like a WWE type circus, you know.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, for sure. Here we go. I found it.
SPEAKER_04I mean, they had Hulk Hogan at the at the Republican National Convention. Right. I watched it.
SPEAKER_08I was like, what like it out we went in very hard and we didn't tell anybody about it because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor? Okay. Sorry, we're super you believe in surprise, I think much more so than us. And uh we had a surprise, and we did. And because of that surprise, we knocked out the first two days, we probably knocked out 50% of what we and much more than we anticipated doing. So if I go and tell everybody about it, there's no longer a surprise, right? Okay, one one more, one more, one more one more for the prime minister. Can you get it for the prime minister?
SPEAKER_05Yes, and it's uh thank you very much. Uh Japan's DJ Press? Uh Japan's biggest China.
SPEAKER_06Okay, I don't know why they clipped it so long, but that is freaking hilarious. Let's pull that back one more time.
SPEAKER_08And we didn't tell anybody about it because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Okay, why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor?
SPEAKER_05Look at her face. Oh man, man, that is so good. Like, I gotta give Trump a hundred percent on that. Like, the best part is why didn't you tell us about Pearl Harbor?
SPEAKER_02Who knows about surprise better than Japan?
SPEAKER_05And she's like, um Yeah, um that's so good, man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but but the thing with Pearl Harbor. Sorry, I was just gonna say okay, go ahead.
SPEAKER_04Be good. The thing with Pearl Harbor is uh we had played decades of war games in the U.S. showing that the Japanese, if they ever were to declare war on the U.S., the first thing they would do is take out Pearl Harbor. It's it's our only Navy base out there. It was a refueling depot, it was strategically very important. And uh a few, you know, maybe a uh six months or nine months before Pearl Harbor, the U.S. cut off all oil to Japan. Uh, Japan was already fighting a war against the Chinese. Uh, and and the Japanese have viewed this as an act of aggression. Japan got 95% of their oil from us, so they could either give up on the war or they could capture additional oil fields. And the only oil fields that were available for them to capture were uh in the Dutch East Indies or British Malaysia. Uh, and then they knew if they did that that the U.S. would declare war on them. So they had to take out Pearl Harbor to strategically be able to maneuver in the Pacific. And we knew this. We knew this was going to happen. Um, so it it begs the question: why wasn't Pearl Harbor better defended? And then you've got um the Japanese or the U.S. ambassador to Japan sent an intelligence report to FDR six months before the attack saying the Japanese are planning an attack on Pearl Harbor. He had he he knew because he's the Japanese, uh the U.S. ambassador to Japan. He picked up wind of this. Um, and then the um the morning of the attack, there was a submarine, a U.S. battleship off the coast, spotted and sunk a Japanese submarine. Another ship spotted a Japanese periscope out in the waters, and the first wave of planes was actually picked up about two hours before it actually reached Pearl Harbor. And had all of these warnings been properly heated, it would have given the U.S. uh personnel at Pearl Harbor time to um time to man their battle stations and uh go to general quarters, which is you know the reason Pearl Harbor was so devastating is people were like asleep, they were on leave. It was like Sunday morning, they were on leave on the mainland, uh, and the Japanese just came in and decimated them. And then there's the testimony uh given to Congress by uh Admiral Kimmel, who is the commander of the Pacific Fleet, which I included that in the documentary. But basically he says um if if the Navy Department in Washington had told me how the negotiations were going with Japan, because I guess Japan delivered to Washington an ultimatum. Hey, either I don't I don't know what the extent of the ultimatum was, probably start selling us oil or else, basically. And Admiral Kimmel says, if I had known about all of this, if I had known about everything that the Navy Department and everyone knew in Washington, I would have pulled my ships out of the harbor and had them at general quarters. And he says, he basically is asking, why wasn't I told this? So that's that's an interesting um and also all three aircraft carriers of the Pacific Fleet were not present at Pearl Harbor. So, you know, and that's awfully convenient because those aircraft carriers proved pretty pivotal uh later in the war that we hadn't that we hadn't had those destroyed. And and Pearl Harbor, you know, for for those that don't know anything about World War II, that was like a galvanizing moment for the entire country. Um, you know, it would have been much more emotional than 9-11 because it wasn't a terrorist group, it was uh it was another country that did this, and and uh the attack was more devastating, the loss of life was increased, and I mean it it really it really affected, you know, the the people that were alive at the time. And and then you've got some weird stuff too, like after Pearl Harbor, the U.S. adopts a Europe first policy. So we're attacked by the Japanese, Pearl Harbor, and then immediately Germany declares war on the United States, and FDR says, all right, we're gonna focus on Europe first. Like, okay, Hitler declared war on us, sure, but there'd been no aggression or hostility or nothing. And the Japanese, you know, now we look at World War II much more in a Europe, excuse me, in a European lens. At the time, Japan was much more hated in the US than Germany was. Germans were like an after. They were like, you know, they never attacked us. So uh most people thought of that as just uh, you know, they were a European, yeah, we're helping our allies, we're helping Britain and France, but but uh most of the country, the population that were really more focused on Japan. So it's interesting that FDR adopted that Japan first policy.
SPEAKER_06Japan first or European Europe first. Oh Europe first, sorry. Okay, okay. No, no, I'll just wanted to make sure. Yeah, that that is very interesting. Um yeah, I didn't uh there were a lot of things I learned from your your dog. Um that was one of them. That was that was interesting. Um let's see, why don't we get into Vietnam a little bit? Uh I know you touch on the uh the military-industrial complex as well. We can get into that. Um but um yeah, why don't we keep knocking down some more some more of the wars? Sure.
SPEAKER_04So after after World War II, um, you know, before World War II, you would have uh civilian factories would switch their um factories over to wartime production. So companies that made cars would switch to making planes and tanks for the for the war. After World War II, uh we had a a bona fide armaments industry, companies whose only job it was was to make weapons. And and this is what Dwight D. Eisenhower warns about in his famous speech about uh he says, in the councils of government, we must guard against uh unwarranted influence by the military-industrial complex. And that's what he's talking about. He's saying, hey, these companies that own these these weapons manufacturers, they're they're lobbying for more war. And Dwight D. Eisenhower, for those that don't know, he was the supreme commander of the Allied forces in Europe during World War II. So he's not a peace-loving hippie. Um, you know, he's someone that's really, I mean, there haven't been many five-star generals. And he was also five-star general. There haven't been many um in U.S. history. There's none currently alive. Um, but uh so he gives that warning, and then what what we can see start to happen. Well, obviously, we see Korea happen. Um, you know, we had the North Korea attack, South Korea. We got involved, we had that war. And then, you know, you had 10 years later, they're planning Operation Northwoods. They're they're all sorts, and that's just you know, Bay of Pigs, that the CIA had lots of um planned operations against the Cubans. We we really didn't like that Fidel Castro had come to power. Uh, you know, it's a country 90 miles away that it turned communist, but but eventually um they set their sights on on North Vietnam. And this was another thing, you know. We talked about Alan Dulles um, you know, being fired, the head of the CIA by JFK, the deputy director being fired, the head of the joint chiefs of staff. Another thing Kennedy is doing is he's keeping America out of Vietnam. And he's receiving a lot of pressure to send more troops to Vietnam. We had some advisors there. Kennedy was allegedly appalled. I think like 75 military advisors had died in Vietnam. And and Kennedy just flipped a nut about it. And so he's keeping he's keeping us out of Vietnam, which is another, you know, another strike against him. And uh after Kennedy's death, you know, we get President LBJ, and and only about a year, it's less than a year after LBJ comes in, do we have um the Vietnam War start? And the the incident that gets us involved in Vietnam is called the Gulf of Tonkin incident. But very briefly, it basically a U.S. battleship picked up on radar what they thought was a North Vietnamese vessel. We start firing at it, the ship relays back to Washington that they were under attack. LBJ asked Congress to uh expand the war, which they agree, but it later comes out that there was north no North Vietnamese vessel out there, and uh the ship, the USS Maddox, was just firing into the open ocean. Now, a few things. How often does that happen? How often do you hear about a battleship just mistake something on radar and start firing shells out in the open water? I mean, that's just kind of ludicrous. Okay, but but Vietnam, and this blew me away when I first heard it. Vietnam, the reason it was such a quagmire, the reason it just drug on and on, and it just seemed like it took forever, and is because that's how it was designed. It was it was designed to never be won. And the reason is is we couldn't just come in and attack North Vietnam. I mean, we're the US, for God's sakes. Like we could have blown them off within a couple weeks. All the U.S. would do is protect South Vietnam. So we had bases there, our soldiers would go out on patrols in the jungle, they would patrol the border, and the Viet Cong, the North Vietnamese, would ambush them, and then they would go back to North Vietnam. And the U.S. dropped, I mean, just more bombs were dropped in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia than all other engagements that the U.S. has been involved in combined. I mean, that's a lot of firepower. I mean, just bombing, bombing jungle, dropping napalm on on jungle and fields, and you know, and it's not just it's chemical companies too, you know, these defoliants that were used, uh, because they would spray defoliants over the trees so that you could see through the leaves, agent orange, you know, lots of industries saw a huge surge in demand for their products because of this war. And it was actually found out um in, I believe, the early 70s, the New York Times ran an expose where they published the Pentagon papers. Yeah. And these were a series of studies commissioned by uh defense secretary Robert McNamara for President LBJ, showing that the U.S. government knew the way the war was designed that we couldn't win it. And this whole time that that that the U.S. had been involved in Vietnam was like 10 years, you know, nine years or something. The whole time the government saying, you know, victory's close, we just, you know, we can win this war when they knew that it was impossible to win. As I said, the rules of engagement made it impossible for the U.S. to win the war. Additionally, the U.S. presence in Vietnam was a motivating factor for the Viet Cong. That Vietnam had been under decades of colonial rule. Before the Americans were there, it was the French. And so the Vietnamese viewed America as just the latest colonial power trying to impose their will on them. And uh they the the government knew that just the fact that we were there was was helping uh the government of North Vietnam.
SPEAKER_06So yeah, the uh Pentagon Papers is a very interesting story. Um, there's a really good movie on it actually, with uh Dave Spader, I think it is. Um and um Yeah, I actually I was on a podcast with uh Daniel Ellsberg. Um I think uh probably like at least five years ago now, give or take. Um yeah, and then he died unfortunately uh a year and a half later or so. Um but shout out to him, he's definitely a bit of a hero, I'd say, because um, yeah, the guy that published the papers, you you actually talked to him?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Oh wow.
SPEAKER_06Oh wow, that's awesome. So yeah, he I mean, he was um I think uh yeah, I can't remember when, but yeah, I mean I I really wanted to do like a um I wanted to get him on my show, but uh yeah, unfortunately, I was I had to take a sh I take a break with the show and then he passed away.
SPEAKER_04And um yeah, but um he was he was just like a uh an analyst, right? He was uh an analyst on.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so they kind of they'd send they'd send him there, you know, to check on things, and um, yeah, he was pretty hands-on in his uh I don't know, called research, but it was yeah.
SPEAKER_04Well he took he took those uh the the Pentagon papers, he he's he stole them and then he like photocopied them, like him and his kids and his wife. They were like they like uh I don't know, they did it at night, and it took them a while, but they photocopied all of these papers, and yeah, he was like uh the Edward Snowden of the of the time. Yeah, for sure, man.
SPEAKER_06Uh yeah, it's it's it's a really interesting story, actually. Um let me see here. I definitely I would recommend people check out oh yeah, it's called it's called the Pentagon Papers. Um is the movie 2003. Um really good. Um I think it uh sorry, James Spader. I don't know if I said David Spader. Uh James Spader, Paul Giamatti, Alan Arkin. Uh yeah, it's great. It's such an interesting story. Those uh whistleblower stories are usually pretty interesting, and uh that is definitely one that does not disappoint.
SPEAKER_04You know, uh there's so many. I I say this because it'd be awesome if they made a movie about Edward Snowden, but of course, mainstream have they really?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, the um you've never seen the Joseph Gordon Levitt one? No, yeah, it's not bad. I mean, it's Hollywood, unfortunately. But um so you but uh and and they include a bunch of crap about his like girlfriend relationship with the girlfriend, you gotta have the love interest, yeah. So they you know they do all that stupid bullshit, but um, yeah, it's it's an alright movie. It's it's good for a for a one-watch, I'd say.
SPEAKER_04You know what's crazy is uh and before you know, obviously we had 9-11 and uh the Patriot Act, and you know, kind of laying the groundwork for all that sort of. Surveillance before 1994. I think if the government wanted to listen to your phone calls, they had to place a physical wiretap on your phone. Now imagine, like, there's there's like these um New York City mobsters that they busted, you know, like uh organized crime was a real big thing, like Italian crime families, like 70s, 80s. To bust these guys, they would they would dress up like they were the fucking cable man, knock on the door, and they would and they would put they would actually put physical bugs in their house or or in the in the wires. After 1994, they made it um accessible for the um for the government to uh basically tap anyone's phone that they wanted to from the phone companies themselves. So you know what's crazy with this stuff is it's like was 1993 and before just so absolutely lawless and wild that we needed to I mean could you imagine going back to that kind of a world before before everyone was walking around with a GPS device in their pocket and and posting their entire life on the internet, and you know growing up as a kid things seemed a lot simpler, and I feel like yeah, could have been a lot simpler now and a lot more relaxed if uh but I mean that's technology, right?
SPEAKER_06That's uh something you just can't stop. Now we're worrying about AI robots that well.
SPEAKER_04I tell you, um, the limiting factor for mass surveillance for a long time has been the fact that you've had to have a human on the other side of the computer analyzing what people are saying. Now, you can't do that for everyone. So they would do things like if you said certain buzzwords like you know, terrorist or bomb or whatever, they would listen to your phone call. Now with AI, they have the capability to capture and process all of your data, all of your text messages you send, all of your internet traffic, everything they can process it. And really, in my opinion, what the outcome of this can be is um, of course, surveillance, but also predicting the future a little bit, or at the very least, in the sense of predicting elections. So they can say this is what public sentiment is like, this is how people are feeling. They could run simulations and say, if we introduce this outside stimulus, if we introduce this event, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, or something along those lines, you know, that some kind of event like that, what is that gonna do to people's opinion? And they can kind of shape and and herd our opinions like that. And that's what this whole documentary I made was was really about is just how how public opinion and thoughts are are just we're basically herded like cattle, um, you know, and the and the mainstream media is like the shepherd, you know, the what you hear on on CNN and Fox, and it's mostly just propaganda. Um, you know, it's it's it's designed to make you feel a certain way, it's designed to make you feel like we need to attack Iran, it's designed to make you feel like Trump is a fascist or whatever. Um, and and that has certain outcomes for the people that are that are behind it. And I gosh, you know, if I really wish more people understood that. I really do.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I I I know, right? Like it's we it's weird, like once you once you figure this stuff out, it excuse me, it becomes so obvious. Um and even before you people figure it out, there's so many things that are that seem so obvious. Um and the you know, the average person uh they kind of pick up on that, so it's odd that uh that there's not more people that fully wake up and call people on it. They just stay asleep and uh let everything kind of slide, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_04Well, and you know, just like we talked about with um with 9-11, uh a big a big problem with this kind of stuff is like the the major block that's standing in a lot of people's minds is the fact that it sounds crazy. The fact that you say there's no way, like that it just it sounds and it's also a lot of people want to be blissfully ignorant. A lot of people don't want to know this stuff. They they want to think that the world is, you know, quote, happy go lucky, that the government has their best interest at heart, that when we get involved in a war, it's it's about it's about weapons of mass destruction, it's about al-Qaeda or whatever. Like that's a much safer feeling to have than to think, oh, it's a it's a cartel of weapons manufacturers and gangster capitalists that just you know don't care about death and destruction and just want to make billions of dollars. Like that sucks to think about.
SPEAKER_02It's much nicer to be like, yeah, we gotta kick those terrorists' butts, you know.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah. Um and and like I said, that 9-11 framework of that mentality is just going on um up until today, I'd say. I'd say I'm sure there's still a lot of people that are still like that.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, well, and I I should say 9-11, um, my opinion, it was a false flag. My opinion, the the I have to say, you know, just for we don't have any facts or anything, I don't want to get my channel in trouble, but but man, you know, and I didn't before making this documentary, I knew a little bit about 9-11. I I watched the um there's a documentary that was put out by architects and engineers for 9-11 truth, and uh it's called um Explosive Evidence Experts Speak Out, something along those lines. And I remember watching that years ago, and uh so I knew that 9-11 was a you know, I'm like, okay, it's this was a a false flag. But for doing this documentary, I really did a lot more research into it because I have the whole uh last 20 minutes was just a section on 9-11, and so I really had to research it and find out all this stuff, and it's like the more you dig into it, and the more you dig into the story behind Building Seven, you know, and and I mean Building Seven, if you watch it fall down, it falls down completely into its own footprint with zero resistance. And they say the official cause is like one one structural beam got pushed off of its column seat, like it moved six inches, and then the whole building just goes whack. And I I say in my documentary that that's basically like a Looney Tunes cartoon where someone removes one nail and an entire building just collapses. I mean, buildings don't work that way, they're designed with structural redundancies so that that doesn't happen.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04Um, even even if that column, even if there was a flaw in the structure, the building should have like fallen over, it should have been partially intact. You know, if you build a if you build something out of Legos and you knock it over, you can still see part of it there. And none of the towers that collapsed on 9-11, they just collapse into a big pile of rubble, you know. Yeah, and and uh, you know, the the they say that there was two small fires in building seven that that caused that column to come off of its seat. And you know, of course, there's the no fire has ever brought down a steel-structured building, you know, which the same thing can be said for the Twin Towers. First of all, an airplane is basically just like uh an aluminum tin can, it has no strength, yet it punched a hole in the steel, the exterior steel of the World Trade Center. I mean, like big heavy I-beams, it punches a giant hole into it. And then they say that the fires from the jet fuel soften the steel enough to cause that collapse. Well, again, that's never happened before in human history, it hasn't happened since, and there's not a lot of fuel for those fires to begin with. Most of the fire, I mean, if you've ever lit anything on fire like with gasoline, there's a big whoosh, and then after a couple minutes, most of the gasoline's gone. It's burned off in that initial fireball. And that's the same thing that would have happened on 9-11 with the planes. You would have had a big fireball, and then that would have ignited office fires, but there's not that much stuff in those buildings to burn, they're not made out of wood, the buildings themselves are made out of steel and concrete, and the only thing that's in there that's combustible is like the carpets, the drapes, the office furniture. I mean, there's not that much stuff in there to burn. And uh, you know, when you really think about it like that, and just if you've ever like I you burn a sleeper sofa, I've burned sleeper sofas before, or anything that's got a metal frame, all the ordinary stuff burns away, and you have the metal frame still intact, you know. So it's when you really dig into it, and this isn't just me saying this stuff, this architects and engineers, there's over 3,500 of them now. Architects with PhDs that have come out and said, this makes no sense, you know, all the all the science is pointing in one direction, and the government and its wing of propaganda points in the other direction, and it's it's just crazy that that's I mean, if you look it up, there's only like 20% of the American population that would agree with me that 9-11 was a false flag. And to me, that's really insane because if you look at the evidence, specifically the physics, I mean, just let's stay away from all the you know what-ifs and and who do you think did it and all this stuff, because that's where you tend to lose people in the in the weeds of these conspiracies. If you just look at the simple physics of how the towers came down, you can say this doesn't make sense. And I would encourage anyone to just start with building seven, because that's the most glaringly obvious example of of controlled demolition.
SPEAKER_06Right. Looking at the like the overhead views of the destruction, it's like if you were to look at it and ask someone like what do you think happened here? You would I mean I I feel like you would have to get like near a hundred percent of the people saying, Well, it looks like these different areas were all blown up by bombs. One bomb, no, not one bomb. Um so yeah, it's it's odd. It's odd, it's very odd. And there are you know, architectural groups that are dedicated to this, and like that's their specialty, right? And um, you know, they don't have any, I don't think they have don't have any skin in the game, so to speak, other than wanting to know the truth. So um, yeah, I don't know. I I tend to lean on uh respecting their opinions, right? Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so absolutely. Again, I I try to with stuff like this, I try to just focus on the focus on the science and the physics because when you start getting into, you know, oh man, dude, I've I've been seeing it all all over X lately, is like people talking about like directed energy weapons being used, and they're like, look, they they dissolve the twin towers with a laser beam from space and all that stuff. It's like, okay, that stuff's cool, but you're gonna turn a lot of people off by saying that. You know, like maybe there is something to it, but like let's just get over the hurdle of the government's official story is wrong. Like, let's get over that first, and then we can then we can look at the arguments of space lasers bringing the towers down. I honest to God, I feel like some of this stuff is intentional disinformation. Hey, you know, the government comes in, hey, let's plant some people and let's have them talk about Jewish space lasers taking out these towers, and then it'll just make everyone that has legitimate questions seem crazy. Oh, you questioned 9-11? Oh, you're one of those people that think lasers brought the towers down, you know, that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's um it's interesting. It makes yeah it makes you wonder like how some people get their theories if they truly believe in them. Uh, that is. Uh yeah. You know, I don't know. It seems odd.
SPEAKER_04We talked about uh we talked about this kind of stuff a little bit. Um, but I in my opinion, the moon landing is is a the moon landing conspiracy. I think we went to the moon. I'll just say that. I didn't used to actually. I only came to this conclusion uh about a year, uh six months ago. I made a video about the moon landing, and I was going to make a moon landing hoax video until I actually started to research it. And in my opinion, the moon landing hoax uh conspiracy was probably started by the CIA to lump in with the JFK assassination hoax because at the time a lot of people believed we went to the moon, and a lot of people also believe that the CIA killed JFK. So it was like, okay, let's lump in this moon landing conspiracy with the JFK assassination, and then we'll make these people who think that the CIA, you know, probably did kill JFK. We'll make them kind of seem like, ah, you know, we don't want to be associated with those moon landing people. I'll tell, I'll tell you why. I'll tell we could, you know, we're an hour into this. I can spoil it, but the reason that I think that the moon landing was real is because there was radio communication between the okay, well, a few things. First of all, something's definitely up on the moon. The the Apollo sites have been photographed, not just by the US, but by other governments. So you have to expand this this conspiracy now to like the Russians and the Chinese and the Japanese and the South Koreans. But let's just say that that we did send something up to the moon, it just wasn't manned. Okay, they've zoomed in on the photographs and they can see buggy tracks and they can see the footprints of the so now you're talking about because something's definitely up there. Something definitely went there because people tracked the the uh rocket going up, people tracked the radio communications, like they they talked to mission control the whole time. Those communications weren't encrypted. So people like ham radio operators and the Soviets and people could pick this communication up. So now you're talking about like if you want to expand the conspiracy, you're saying, okay, we shot something to the moon, it had pre-recorded conversations and video footage on it that were being transmitted back to Earth. This thing landed on the moon, and some sort of animatronic robot came out of it and collected samples and stuff. And that just becomes to me a little far-fetched. Um, especially when at the time we did send biologics up to the moon. Um, well, the the Soviets did in a in a in a uh mission called Zond 5. They sent fruit flies and tortoises and some C's. Now these things that they sent up were so-called. It's be nice. Let's let's not turn this into a horror episode. Yeah, well, this the Soviets did dissect them when they got back.
SPEAKER_06So okay, let's all right, moving on. Um, do you like tortoises? Dog, yeah, man. I love turtles, tortoises. I have a turtle. Oh, you do? That's cool. Yeah, two turtles and a tortoise. Um, but have you heard about the I think the two Italian ham radio operators who think that they picked up um Russian space experiments, uh launches where um they think they heard, yeah, like um uh uh astronauts or lunar nuts or whatever, um choking in space, cause cosmogonauts, thank you. Uh choking in space, uh possibly burning up in space, all sorts of all, yeah, a lot of crazy. Yes, I know there's freaky.
SPEAKER_04There's there's one where um the creepiest one is they picked up an SOS signal that was being sent, that was moving if the signal was getting fainter and fainter. So it led them to believe that that a Russian um space probe was slowly floating out into the vastness of space, and it was sending an SOS signal back to that would be one of the scariest fucking ways to die.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, man. Um all of them are like, yeah, the thought of all those are just ridiculous, man.
SPEAKER_04Um ridiculously scary. There's there's one where uh there's one where you can hear this chick say, I am hot, over and over again. She's like, I am hot, I am hot. And it's like because her ship was burning up in re-entry. Here, check this out, man. You'll you'll probably have you ever seen the cosmonaut that fell from space.
SPEAKER_06Uh yeah uh I thought I've heard of it, but I don't think I've seen it.
SPEAKER_04So this guy right here, that's a picture of him. This was a cosmonaut that legit fell from space, and he like I I think apparently he was cousin, no cosmonaut. He was a Russian. Sorry, they just look like American. Yeah, no, these are these are Rooskies here, but uh yeah, yeah. I don't know what the story was if he fell out, if he fell out of his uh doing a spacewalk or something. There he is. Vladimir.
SPEAKER_06What a what a way to go. Yeah, you're walking in space, and then all of a sudden you're falling through space, I guess.
SPEAKER_07Damn ring to the earth.
SPEAKER_06Damn. That's crazy. Um why don't we uh before we start wrapping up, why don't we get into the Gulf War a little bit?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, absolutely. So um, well, first of all, uh the little bit of history, uh Iraq attacked Iran, likely at the behest of the Americans. Uh Saddam Hussein was a U.S. ally in the 80s. And uh we obviously don't much like Iran in this country. So we had Saddam attack Iran, caused him some financial troubles, and then his southern neighbor, Kuwait, started siphoning off. Uh they they drilled sideways under the Iraq-Kowait border and started to siphon off oil from Iraqi oil fields. Saddam discovered this, he brought it to the attention of the UN. They did nothing. He then Saddam summons the US ambassador to Iraq, April Glasby. And uh Ambassador Glasby basically says, this is an Arab affair. We're not gonna the U the United States it doesn't concern itself with what Arab countries do with each other. Saddam takes that to mean he can attack Kuwait, which side note, the CIA likes to develop psychological profiles on other world leaders. And uh so Saddam invades Kuwait, and then you have you know, George Bush gets up and he says, you know, this aggression will not stand, and you know, uh they they bring in uh the US Congress brings in a hospital worker from Kuwait to testify in front of Congress about uh atrocities that she witnessed. Specifically, she's she's seen in tears crying, saying Iraqi soldiers. Tore premature babies out of incubators and let them die on the cold floor. Afterwards, it came out that this woman was actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States, and she was coached by a PR team on how to give that speech. And then, of course, with the deception that was used to essentially trick Saddam into invading Kuwait, you know, the whole thing was basically just a frame job. Of course, the president at the time, George H.W. Bush, uh former CIA director. Um, in my opinion, the only real American presidents we've had in recent history would be JFK Nixon and maybe Jimmy Carter. Um, you know, LBJ, a lot of people think he was involved in Kennedy's assassination. Nixon, the you know, the story that we have that he was a crook was inaccurate. The majority of the people that did the Watergate break-in were CIA members. Nixon never ordered it, they essentially framed him. Uh, and then they got rid of his vice president, Spirou Agnew, for tax evasion or something. So we get Gerald Ford, uh the only unelected president in American history. Jimmy Carter, peace-loving guy, but he's viewed as spineless in this country. Then you have Ronald Reagan, who is a fucking actor that made propaganda films for the U.S. government, right? You have George H.W. Bush, former CIA director, Bill Clinton, one of the most compromised politicians in U.S. history, close friend of, you know, he was just this no-name guy from from Arkansas, you know. Um, so yeah, in my opinion, those were the you know, Nix Nixon Carter and JFK were the last real well, and just think about how scared every American president would be knowing that the CIA fucking blew JFK's head off, allegedly. I mean, that'd be scary, you know? Yeah, because you you're not gonna get out of line, you know.
SPEAKER_06So crazy. Um so yeah, sorry, keep going on the one Gulf War, my bad.
SPEAKER_04Oh well, um, so that was the first Gulf War. Um, you know, like I said, just basically started by deception and stuff. Uh obviously we had 9-11 that we talked about a lot. The second Gulf War, um, Iraq, there was more more private security and defense contractors in Iraq than U.S. military um in 2007. We also had the U.S. came in when we invaded Iraq, we completely dismantled the Iraqi army. We completely dismantled the police force. I think we might have kept some of them on, but basically we had we came in and we fired a bunch of military-aged men with military tactical training. We fired them, we gave them no pension, and created the conditions for the insurgency. Some would argue intentionally created the insurgency. This was counter to what we did in Japan and Germany. Um, so and and a lot of those former Iraqi soldiers and police became the insurgents, you know, who could have been, you never know, could have been funded through black budget programs by by the CIA, just speculating on that. But you also had um the morning of 9-11, there was a meeting of the Carlisle Group, which the Carlisle Group is a they they they buy businesses and revamp them and sell them, but they at the time they were a consortium of like defense contractors and oil field service providers. There was a meeting of the Carlisle group the morning of September 11th that included George H. W. Bush, the former president, and uh Osama bin Laden's brother as an honorary guest. Um, so you know, and then of course you've got Dick Cheney, who was former CEO of Halliburton, Halliburton who got no bid oil field service contracts um to to help rebuild Iraq. And you can look into those. I mean, there's some like they moved they they moved um uh 80,000 gallons of propane at 27 million dollars for the whole time. I mean, they just completely completely raped the the government on all of these these contracts that they had. Um, you know, and another thing too that that uh Saddam had done, and this is a common theme that you see um Fidel Castro did it, uh Iran did it well when we ousted the Shah, Saddam Hussein did it. They will nationalize assets within their country. So nationalizing is where they come in and there's foreign companies operating mines and farms and oil fields. They basically just kick the foreign companies out. They say, get lost. This is a state-run organization now, and we're gonna take all the profits from it because it's much better to take all the profits than just tax these foreign companies at whatever percent. And this tends to piss off U.S. corporations. You know, this tends to piss off the same thing, Venezuela did it uh with Hugo Chavez. Hugo Chavez nationalized all the oil fields. That's why we've been doing so much cage rattling against Venezuela. I mean, I remember being a kid in the early 2000s, and and they were they were cocksuckering Chavez on CNN. You know, Trump, Trump finally came out and and thumped him, which that was that was an odd, you know. Who who knew that the US could just come in and kidnap a dictator? Just just the head of another country, we can just come in and and arrest them, and that was pretty wild. Crazy, man. It was a crazy way to start off the year, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Now we got Iran going and fucking Benjamin Netanyahu might not be alive anymore.
SPEAKER_06And yeah, have you heard anything yet on that? I still like all his all his recent videos are all I think confirmed to be um AI and fake.
SPEAKER_04So I think so. I I I looked at them, they appear to be AI to me.
SPEAKER_06Just yeah, yeah, through my own eyes. Uh I would agree, really. So we'll see, unless, yeah. Some of them are obvious, but um, it'll be interesting to see.
SPEAKER_04I asked Grok if they were AI. Of course, Grok said no. I asked uncensored AI, uncensored AI said yes.
SPEAKER_06Um, and uh Brock's being an asshole about it, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, I I don't know, but the the one where his ring disappears, that's really and they're like, oh, it's just how the lighting is and stuff. It's like, man, his ring straight up his ring straight up disappeared. That was I don't know, seems odd. But I don't like it, man. I don't like it at all. Yeah, who knows? I mean, world leaders have body doubles, you know. Um the C the CIA has had lifelike masks that they can use for you know decades now, where you can't, you know, you could put a mask on and get some makeup done, and people couldn't tell that you were wearing a mask. So it's not it's not super hard. Now, faking someone's voice is a lot harder, but that could be done much easier with AI. So I don't know. It's hard to I know it sounds cliche these days, but it's just it's hard to know what's real, honestly. It's hard to know what you're and eventually AI is gonna be so good that it's gonna be able to fool the detectors, and then and then what are you gonna do? You're gonna have to have some sort of proof of chain, proof of custody thing, you know, where I've even heard people talk about incorporating blockchain technology into like if you make a video, you know, somehow it gets registered on a blockchain as authentic right away. So I don't know, but it's it's gonna lead to some pretty weird questions, and it's it's not gonna be that long before you see a video and you think, you know, is that real? I I see videos all the time that I know are AI that you can see people commenting on it, like wow, oh my gosh, you know, makes you want to just shake them, right? Like, come on! The fuck, dude. Crazy. Yeah, old people really struggle with it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah, it's true, it's true, uh, unfortunately. Um, I mean, to kind of cap things off, I'd say the the whole false flag topic is an interesting story going back into Iran, going back into the Middle East, because uh the the reason for this war, uh, I mean, at least from the American perspective, is still up in the air, I'd say. Um, you know, it's supposed to be Israel's war. Um the reasons that are being given from Trump and his administration people uh seem to differ uh and change. So it'll be interesting to see if they can you know kind of lock down on uh on a reason why uh 16 plus um Americans have died and uh are gonna be put in danger um and have been put in danger for the last 21 days. So yeah.
SPEAKER_04Well, we've been at at odds with Iran for a really long time. They're they're they're counterproductive to our interests in the Middle East and by extension Israel's interests. They they fund terrorist groups, uh, they're just they're you know, they're they're uh they're not making a lot of yeah, they're not nice. And uh I I think I think Trump's just someone that's like you showed with the clip of uh him and the Japanese prime minister, he just doesn't give a fuck. No, and if he thinks, you know, he's like, I'm bigger than you, I'm stronger than you, I'm gonna fucking hit you. And what are you gonna do about it? You're not gonna hit me back. They don't have sovereignty over their own airspace. That's imagine that. Like the the US and the Israelis can fly missions over Iranian airspace, they have no air defense. We wiped out their air defense capabilities. Their air force is like it's like Russian MiGs and F-16s from the 70s. I I mean, you know, they're not a very powerful country and they cause a lot of problems. I just, you know, wars are expensive, and like if we're gonna fight one, where's the money coming from? I don't wanna, I don't want we're $38 trillion in debt, which people have been talking about the national debt for a very long time. The GDP of America is $20 trillion, and the government doesn't have access to the entire GDP, they get a they get 20% of it. Um, so let's see what yearly tax revenue is. Basically, I mean we're we're going to go bankrupt. The the interest on the national debt was more than the defense department budget this last year. Um, so that's very unsustainable. We're still running a deficit in this country. Eventually, those chickens are gonna come to roost. So, I mean, we need to balance the budget. And if we're gonna get involved in something like this, I'd like to see some spoils of war for the US.
SPEAKER_02I'd like to see some yeah, let's get some gold, man. Let's, you know, let's get something.
SPEAKER_06Like, um, yeah, and I I mean I'm hearing that uh, you know, the 39 trillion in debt is um is more like like some say some people are saying it could be as high as like 100 trillion. When else who knows?
SPEAKER_04So tax revenue, tax revenue for the federal government fiscal year 2025 was 5.2 trillion. So that is 7.5 times higher. That's that's you know, if you make, you know, okay, let's say you make sixty thousand dollars a year, that would be like if you owed four hundred and fifty thousand dollars and you're not paying any of it off, you're only paying interest, you know. That that's just to give people a personal finance kind of, you know, Warren Buffett used to say, you know, hey, you gotta look at debt in relation to GDP, it's like, okay, well, we're well past that now. We're just spending and spending and spending, and you know, if the rest of the world gets off the petrol dollar, because right now gas and oil is and gold is traded in dollars and it creates this artificial market for dollars. If if the world tries to get off that system, some people think that that's part of the deal with the Iran war, was that the Iranians were looking to trade oil in currencies that are not US dollars. Same with Venezuela. And and so maybe Trump understands you know the economics behind it, and he's like, oh wow, we run a really shitty budget here, and if other countries stop needing US dollars, it's gonna tank our economy. So rather than fix it, rather than fix our economy here, we're just gonna go just gonna go blow some shit up. Right, because that's the American pay.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, piss people off, you know, and it's not good because certain countries are in the position, I think, like China, if they like pull out all their investments, um, you know, they can it goes back to uh the 2008 crash. Um when I think you know Henry Paulson met with China and he made a joke saying, you know, you're at a point right now where if we pull out all our interests, you guys will literally collapse. Uh, but don't worry, we're not gonna do that. Um scary. Scary thought, man. You're pissing off the world. Um, and and China is, I I'd say, you know, obviously not on the ally side of things. Um it's scary. Like if uh if the wrong leader gets in charge, the wrong administration gets in charge, uh, like I think maybe has happened now in the States, things have gotten out of control. Uh, if that started happening other places in the world, um yeah, never mind, man. Um, I think we'd have a world-ending war. Um well and that's uh go ahead.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I I was just gonna say maybe we're seeing the start of that with Iran.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and that brings me to my final question for you. Um is it World War Three yet? And if not, um at what point does it become World War Three? I think we're at uh plus 20 countries in the involved uh in some way. Um and many countries have been hit, attacked, um, has seen destruction. Um yeah China China and Russia are big players that aren't directly involved, uh, but you know, for example, Russia is definitely indirectly involved, helping out uh Iran with targets and whatnot, um, supplying ammunition, and uh not that it's to do with the war, but um to do with another war that Trump might start or another takeover and Trump might start. Um Cuba, uh China's helping Cuba out, and uh Russia's also helping Cuba out with Russian oil, which uh Trump recently said that they can't buy. Um, so you know, all sorts of shit there. So if they get involved, I'd say my thought is if Russia or China definitely gets directly involved, it's definitely a World War III. Uh, but what are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_04I think uh World War III won't start until Trump annexes Canada. For those that don't know, Jordan is Canadian. Do you hear?
SPEAKER_06Huh? I said, buddy, let's calm it down a bit. Oh. Um I'm joking. I'm joking, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I thought, I thought maybe I insulted you.
SPEAKER_05No, we gotta get Greenland no, no, no, go fuck yourself, buddy. It's okay.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, we gotta get Greenland and Canada. No, I think if China gets involved, that's that's gonna be really scary. Uh, Britain and France and most of the Western European countries go along with the US. Russia, I think it could Russia is they're not really a threat like they were in the 50s and 60s. Um, 70s and 80s, the Soviet economy tanked. I mean, just look at how ineffective they are in Ukraine.
SPEAKER_06They're they're that's their soldiers too, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Their soldiers went a hundred miles into Ukraine at the start of this war and they ran out of gas because there's so much corruption in the Russian army, they started selling the gas on the black market. Same thing with the extra ammo, uh, the grenades and the bombs and stuff that they had. So Russia sent all those troops down to the border. They said they were doing war games. The Russian officers, as is tradition in Russia, sold off all of the extra armaments that they had. And I mean, that just shows you you could see um some of the transport vehicles had tires on it that said CCCP on them, which that's how what the USSR was known as in Russia. So you're talking about tires that are 30 years old. Tires will dry rot, even if they just in a factory under enclosed conditions, they don't last but 10 years. So Russia is incredibly ineffective. I think they're technologically behind. I mean, Ukraine is holding them off, granted, with the most modern technology from Western countries, but I don't think Russia is as scary as our leaders make it out to be. I think China, if they were to get involved, that's where you would really that's where things could get really dicey. Of course, Russia does have nukes, but you know, if China gets involved, that that's where I would say, whoa. Now, China very interestingly has a non-interventionalist foreign policy. It's basically the exact opposite foreign policy that the U.S. has. China does not go out and engage in regime change, they don't engage in coups, they don't do this kind of bully foreign policy that the U.S. has. They go out and they make friends through partnerships. Like, you know, a lot's been said about the roads and bridges project that that you know, they they give money to countries to build airports, to build infrastructure, um, you know, and then they want partnership from these countries for that. So China is why, you know, while they're not, you'd probably rather live in America than you would China, but at least from my point of view, they probably have a more ethical foreign policy than the U.S. does. So it's gonna take a lot for China to get involved, but if if they do ever get involved and they directly oppose the U.S., I think that's where we'll see some real sparks start to fly. And nuclear weapons are, you know, they're almost an 80-year-old technology now. There's things that the government could have that would make nuclear weapons look like almost nothing. I'm just guessing. Like black, black budget kind of things. And I mean, or just even straight up nuclear weapons, warfare, human warfare is 200,000 years old, and nuclear weapons are 80 years old. I mean, eventually something could happen where we you know get into a scary situation, and these people that like to play these war games that like to make a few million dollars off of this conflict and sell some arms here. It's like you're you know, Trump said it best to the Zelensky at the start of his presidency. You're gambling with World War III, you know, and and you know, people say, well, it's a it's a it's a childlike view of the world to say that we can't have war or whatever. It's like, okay, well, then I guess we'll just fucking blow each other up then. Because again, eventually the technology's gonna be there to where it's not hard to make these things. Eventually, if you could theoretically, let's say 3D print. A nuclear bomb. If you could assemble it atom by atom, and I know this stuff sounds like kooky sci-fi now, but 3D printers sounded like kooky sci-fi a hundred years ago. What are we gonna have in a thousand years or five thousand years? Maybe eventually it wouldn't be that far-fetched for you know people with a little bit of money to acquire something where they could legitimately do something similar to a 3D print of a nuclear bomb. Like it's gonna lead to some weird questions of you know, how how much longer can humanity even survive? There's a theory out there about why we haven't contacted aliens yet that says once aliens get to a certain point in their civilization, to be able to contact other civilizations, they destroy themselves. And that the universe is full of these little civilizations that come into existence, then poof, they're gone. And I I really hope that's not the story of us, but yeah, man, the possibilities there.
SPEAKER_06Fair enough, man. Well, ladies and gentlemen, Adam from the Truth Desk. Um, can you yeah, and I just want to add again great job on the new documentary. Um, I really enjoyed it, and I really enjoyed this discussion about it and about your work on the on the false flags. Manufactured terror. All wars are started by lies, false flags. Um, so yeah, I hope you guys definitely check it out. Um, can you let everyone know where they can find you, my friend, please?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh, youtube.com slash at the truth desk. Um, this video right here that's playing, the the one we've been talking about, is my my pinned video, so it'll start autoplaying for you if you visit my channel and uh leave a like on it. I took research and editing, probably a hundred hours went into it.
SPEAKER_06So I meant to do that, my bad. There you go.
SPEAKER_04Boom.
SPEAKER_06Gotcha. You didn't I wanted to leave a comment, so that's probably why I just haven't left the comment yet. So I was gonna do it at the same time, so I'll get to it though.
SPEAKER_04All good, man. I appreciate you having me on again, Jordan. It's always great to talk to you.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, man, for sure. Um, you and you enjoy the rest of your day, and uh yeah, we'll we'll definitely be in touch and um have you on again soon, okay? Right on, bud. Okay, take care, my friend. All right, everyone. There's Adam from the Truth Desk. Um, I again I I highly recommend you check out his new documentary. Um, I give it five thumbs up personally, uh, or ten thumbs up, I guess I would I would say. Um, yeah, so make sure to check that out. Also, please subscribe to the Divulgence podcast on YouTube, Rumble. We uh I've actually just finally been monetized on YouTube, so um you guys can leave a super chat if you so wish. Uh, I'm still trying to figure that stuff out right now. Um, and please you can you can get audio versions on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts. And uh make sure to check out the episode descriptions because you can check out um any discounts I may have from affiliations like Ollie Demigard and of course the Scott Horton Academy. Please check that out. Go to Scott Horton Academy.com slash divulgence to check out his uh amazing new project. And uh yeah, I think that's it for now, guys. Um, I'm off tomorrow because it's me birthday. Um, and then we're back on um the 23rd with Austin Wayne Picard and uh Chris Angle, and then uh yeah, we got um 8 p.m. on Wednesday and some more stuff uh to close march out, so that'll be great. Um, but yeah, for now, take care and be well, guys.