#109: Political Parties, Left and Right, Peace and Ethics, Free Markets w/ Christopher Angle

I welcome philosopher, author, and podcaster Christopher Angle to the show to discuss political parties, their founding, free markets, and peace and ethics. We discuss the origins of political parties, how men tend to dominate, the haves and have nots, how world governments tend to lean left, how the Iran War is for self defence, how free markets equal peace and happiness, and royal bloodlines.  

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome back to Divulgence, everybody. Today we have philosopher, author, and podcaster Christopher Engel here. Chris, how are you, my friend? Thanks so much for your time and thanks for being here. Thanks, Jordan. So uh why don't we just start off uh with you telling us a little bit about yourself and a little bit of the stuff that you um study and and work on okay so um long time ago I got interested in philosophy and uh so I write books on it.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

I have one particular aspect uh that I'm feel I'm fairly good at, which is to uh uh if somebody throws to me a uh uh a concept like uh of of an aesthetic origin, say ethics or truth or aesthetics or something like that, I seem to have the ability to be able to define it. And um so with that with that in mind, I've gone ahead and written about six books in philosophy. They're original books. They're not based on what's happened, it's not based, I'm not a uh a philosophy professor, um uh because I I don't research on what has happened before me. I write what is um what is occurring now in in present media, and especially the concepts that come up, and I define it. And so um uh so my latest book, the the uh uh the nature of the political left and right, I would define things like what is the left, what is the right, what is it, what is a democrat, what is a republican, what is a fascist, what is uh, and um and I exhibit those in the book, and it actually leads then to a uh what is the nature of uh free market enterprise, and and so we come up with a a con a uh an equation that uh in the last two books that describes uh the um uh the the nature of uh free market enterprise. And so um perhaps today uh we could just uh uh maybe we could uh uh discuss uh what is the nature of the political party.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Sounds good, my friend. Um I guess I uh that was my my my first thought as well. So I guess maybe we'll start off with um maybe you could tell us a little bit about like where our political parties came from. Um, you know, the I don't know if you know much about like the founding of the first party or anything like that, but um, you tell us where the best place to start would be, Chris.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

That'd be an anthropological uh outlook of uh of politics, and we have to go back into the the history of evolution to figure out where the political party come from. And so uh we'll go back into the uh to when uh man ran around in in tribes and in small groups. And uh what happens is that uh when you have a small group, we also have uh uh the uh proclivity for one of the elders or one of the ones that are a little bit larger or one a little bit smarter or whatever it is, rises to the surface. And uh and when that happens, when a leader uh suddenly emerges, naturally, because of uh what I call the first principle of of uh of economics, all life does that which is good for it, and continually does that which is good for it, um, well he'll want a little bit more. So uh the elder or the leader or uh uh uh he'll uh or maybe he's got a little more strength than anybody else, and and so what happens is that he'll he'll rises to the top, and as a as an naturally as a leader, he'll want a little bit more for himself. And and so he becomes the the leader, and and eventually as society uh grows and and goes beyond the uh the the uh the tribe, the leader bec uh uh uh becomes more and more powerful. And this is in uh uh this is commensurate with what I call principle two of the political party, is which is that uh it which is uh the famous St. Augustine's um uh uh statement that uh theory that uh of libido dominanti that men tend to dominate. And we can see this not only in men, but in in the the higher mammals uh also uh uh reindeers fighting, uh the males fighting for dominance to be able to uh uh allow their genetics to go to the next generation. So uh but and man is uh is very is the same thing uh as St. Augustine pointed out that we tend to dominate. And and so uh as they as the pol as the uh society grows, that one particular aspect of wanting to have more for yourself then becomes uh it revolves from an elder into a king, and the kings and queens. And then suddenly, as society grows and develops, you have 5,000 years of a history of kings and queens, and they uh all want one thing. They all want that which is good for them, and they develop and become large uh more and more strong, and and then as society grows, then uh that king and queen has to uh conscript uh uh people to help him administer his edicts. And so he hires a bunch of uh aristocrats and nobles, and and uh and they are the uh uh the ones that will now look down upon um uh society and and the and the slaves and the proletariats and and all those that help the uh the king and queen. And so they uh they uh grow into uh uh into uh holding all the assets uh of society all throughout the history. And uh and so that's really the origin, and and it and it develops, and so you have just the haves and the have-nots all the way up until uh some people start to get a little um upset with this, and so you have the first uh the first recognition of this, probably we could argue it to be 1688 with the uh English Bill of Rights, and then after that, we can argue that the really the next big one would be um the American Revolution and then the French Revolution, and something happened that went really wrong when the American Revolution came on the scene and then subsequently followed by the um uh by the French Revolution, something terrible came along to the kings and queens because they now have to vote to make you, the downtrodden, the have-nots, vote for them. And this changed the game entirely. So the nature of the political party went from the haves to the have-nots to an actual party, but we're just gonna rename it. Uh uh liberals or democrats or republicans or libertarians or whatever, uh, you're going to get two dichotomies of and they uh uh for the political party, and those two dichotomies are one of the uh one goes toward um uh freedom, and one goes toward control, and so you can see that with the the ultimate totalitarians that have arisen in the last 200 years, they uh want total control, and then the other side goes toward freedom, and they want more and more freedom. And the American Revolution was was to uh to take society toward freedom uh away from uh the kings and queens all throughout history, and um uh and so that started um from the American Revolution, really. That's the primary, because democracy came into being in there, and now the haves, uh the kings and queens had to uh can uh make you think about uh why that you should vote for them. And uh and then the French Revolution caused something else. It caused socialism uh because when um uh when they got uh uh when when the French Revolution when the French Revolution got going, uh they chopped a bunch of heads off of those have of the halves. And when that happened, uh the halves of European society kind of kind of took a set uh kind of sat back and went, how do we fix this? We don't want that to happen to us ever again. So what should we do? So in the 1820s, they um formulated a theory called noblesse oblige, and uh that was uh that the aristocrats, that the nobles, that the kings and queens, we that they had an obligation to take care of the have nots. And they thought if they put out this contract, maybe the uh things like the French Revolution will uh uh will no longer happen. And so that was the origin of uh of uh socialism, that they would take care of the have nots, they'll give you a base living, and uh and uh from and and for that you you will vote for us. You will you uh you will um uh uh be with us uh uh and uh promote our our uh our ability to govern you because we're gonna provide for you. And then so from that idea in 1848, the famous uh little book by um uh by Karl Marx, uh the uh Communist Manifesto was written, and from there uh other uh texts of of of uh socialism were were uh uh uh came on uh uh the the scene and it's been uh it's been with us ever since. And um so the socialist will uh kind of look at you and um because uh throughout history throughout uh the the kings and queens always look down on the have not as being not good enough for for uh to be in our society. And so you always had a class society and and and the commoner downtrodden have not was never allowed to uh approach and go into uh the royal society and and like to marry somebody or or to even be part of it, they didn't have royal blood, so they weren't allowed to come up into the class of of the kings and queens and the aristocracy. And then from that, all throughout history you had, and amazingly enough, all throughout the world, even in the even in Asia, even in China, the history of China, all the kings throughout history had always said that we are the guiding light because we have a direct communication with God. And the divine right of kings came came about. And that's not and and that's not only in the western, but that's in the eastern uh uh uh dynasties of China too. Uh and uh and and so they all had that uh uh that feeling that they were that they were so great. And um and and and so they look upon the have nots as not having a good nature, um, not being nearly as good as as they are. And so that exists today, and because the the have not the haves morphed into the uh the socialist and one who wants to control society, the more you control society, the more you are uh of a leftist. And uh because the ultimate leftist is the totalitarian total control guy. And uh, or like like m Paul Pot, Mao, Stalin, Lennon, uh they were total controllers. And so they um so they um uh and they and so they can uh they can uh totally control their societies. And and so what happened is that somebody of uh on the other side who who who seeks freedom for the individual, he looks at the other person and goes, you know what, you know, yeah, we're uh um uh just as the Bible says, you know, we're um we're all fall short of the glory of God, but you know what? Uh just like uh Paul said, we're we have to do good. And you know what? Just be and and and so we're gonna look at you and uh think that even though you're a uh you got a long a lot uh lot going against you, but we you have some things you we uh that are that you that are the some good parts about you, some good natures uh about other humans. And so we'll find what that is, and then and so we will uh use that to try and cooperate with you so that we can work with you and produce goods and services, and goods and services bring us up away from misery, and uh uh and and and so uh we'll we'll use that um uh we'll use that goodness within you to to compromise. And what happens is because those two sides, and I call this dictum three, that the socialist looks at another person and says, You're you're not so good, your nature, and the person who wants freedom looks at the other person and goes, There is some good about you that we'll we'll seek, and and so that we can try and cooperate together. And what happens is that when these two sides come upon each other in the political arena, this is why the democrat, this is why um societies, political societies throughout history, throughout uh uh tend to move left little by little because one side wants to cooperate and uh and and and find some points that are good that they can uh negotiate and and and and make laws on and and regulations and and go for and and and further uh goodness in society. And the other side uh thinks that the other person is no good and so wants to uh um uh sacrifice uh wants to compromise less. And so when you see something like that, so see somebody like Trump, who suddenly goes, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, we're gonna drag you back and does it as fast and as much as possible because we've been moving too far to the left, then there is total breakout acrimony, there is total breakout of arguments and and uh and uh and calling him uh king and totalitarian and and uh and the and the anger is is uh unceasing. And uh so anyway, that's that's a small explanation of of some of the uh why the news is so uh so vehemently against uh the President Trump. And so uh and and and that leads us uh uh into um into uh the the uh noblesse oblige. And then and then there then there's one more thing that when you get total control of a society, uh just as all the kings and queens and and all the uh totalitarians and uh of soci of uh history and uh when that happens, uh we have to uh look at um uh dictum five or principle five, which says that which uh is the famous Lord Acton statement that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And if you take a look at the history of uh of totalitarian or uh uh kings and queens and uh um throughout history, you see that when they uh uh when they uh when they uh disallow freedom for the for the for the downtrodden, they come to realize that only their only their uh thoughts, only their priorities are all that matters in society. And when that happens, uh their minds become corrupted because they realize that since their priorities are only theirs, that uh they don't have to cooperate with anybody. Uh, all the kings and queens didn't cooperate except for the nobles that uh they needed to help um facilitate their edicts. Uh, and once they realized that they didn't have to cooperate with each other, uh their minds become so corrupted that um uh that um they can go home and sleep at night um because they know that only they know what's good for society, only they know what God wants for society, and it's through the king or whose mind is so corrupted that that is why they believe in their power. And so uh uh uh and and if you if you take a look, I don't know if you ever read um uh uh First Circle by Solzheniton, his depiction of Stalin. Oh my gosh, it it's just like that. He shows how demented, how corrupted the mind comes when you have total power. It also and he pointed out that uh not only is uh corrupted, but it becomes paranoia, uh paranoia takes over. And um it's a fascinating section of uh first circle. Anyway, um uh but so what happens is that when uh a totalitarian, and I'm gonna call him a leftist, when he gets in power he and realizes that only his priorities matter in society, then something terrible happens. He loses all sense of ethics, and that is the part of the corruption problem. Uh, because ethics, the nature of ethics, is the appropriate dispensation of respect, and it's the evolutionary means by which allows uh the humans to cooperate. When we show respect to others, it enables us to cooperate with each other, and we cooperate with each other to produce goods and services, and those goods and services bring them up bring us up from uh uh from misery and into uh into that which is good. And so um ethics, and so these kings and queens are totalitarians or whatever, they lose a sense of ethics and and when and and and the ability to respect others, and and which is uh throughout history, you take a look at it all throughout history, the kings and queens, uh they looked down upon the downtrodden, they had no respect for them at all, and uh because they were uh they had no worth. Uh they were uh in essence in their hearts, they had had their nature was no good. Uh so what happens is that when you have no ethics, all that remains is the end, justifies the means, and the end is your priority, the totalitarian priority, and the and so the means to to fulfill the king, the the the The totalitarian's uh priority is power and control, and and so you have the most terrible pogroms throughout history were committed by those who had totalitarian power and because they had no ethics, because their mind was totally corrupted, and and when their mind gets totally corrupted, they they have no ethics, and and so they can do things like uh uh cut off uh all food to uh Ukraine in 1933 and and uh starve uh 33 million uh people. Or uh they can uh uh uh or they can be like uh like Hitler and and go in and uh and uh because his priority was uh to uh purify uh the German race. So uh so he would uh have a he would he he's initiated the Holocausting, and it's because his mind was so corrupted because of uh absolute power. And um, and so when you have absolute power like that, you have no ethics. And uh and so your total modus apparanda, your total way that you deal with with all that is to search, is to is to uh is to gain more power. And so that's uh and so that's a quick summary of of the dichotomies between uh the two basic parties. Uh because all all parties can be segmented into ones that want more freedom or ones that want more control. Um and and and so uh that's a um that's a quick summation of uh of of where the two parties go. And now you all have all sorts of parties in between, um and they all can be separated into um what is uh uh good for control and what is good for freedom. And so uh when you look at all the uh wars that uh happen throughout the world, they're all created by um by the leftist socialist uh I uh uh um by all the kings and queens and and all the totalitarians and and and uh and and all the leftists. They they started 99.9. Now every once in a while you get one started by a freedom fighter, by somebody who believes in freedom, and that's called a revolution. And so you got a couple of big revolutions there, and those were started by people who wanted freedom. And they are the downtrodden, the have nots that fight against the has. Um so the the colonists fought against King George uh and um and it was a successful revolution, the the French Revolution. Uh they they fought against the aristocracy, which was taking all of their goodness that they would uh uh from all uh from all the farmers, from all those who who could produce things for society. They just took it and uh and and built their palaces and and uh and then uh look back at them and go and went uh well uh let them eat cake because we've we've got all the rest of stuff. Um so um that's a that's kind of a quick summation that I have.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Do you find that governments around the world tend to lean one way or the other?

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Um yes, they all tend to want to lean toward the left. Okay. Even when they're uh uh truly freedom-oriented, um, they want to go to the left because of that third dictum, because um uh uh they'll they tend to look at you as either having a goodness or or they will tend to look as you as just you bishops being a downtrodden, have not uh no-worth uh uh uh person. And so they all tend to and and and then add in the other uh principles such as uh so uh so when you gain more power, the uh uh dictum five kind of comes in and uh and the that absolute power, the more you have absolute power to uh to to your uh that comes to yourself, the more you will tend to become corrupted. You more you'll tend to go, well, we gotta do it my way. And so that and and and then you add in um uh the principle number two, which is uh uh uh uh which is the uh uh St. Augustine's libido dominanti that men tend to dominate. So when you add in the domination and we want to do it my way, uh you tend to get the movement toward left-leaning totalitarian total control of society. So the tendency is, as you mentioned, tendency is to go to the left. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

I kind of I kind of if if I were to assume, I would I would assume for for some reason that uh they would tend to lean to the left. Um what are your thoughts with um I mean what especially in the second his second term, what Donald Trump's done with the Republican Party and what the state of the left versus right is in uh America right now, because it's seems quite divided, um more so than usual. I could be wrong, but it seems like a pretty heated battle right now. And uh Trump is, I mean, he's obviously a an interesting character, interesting leader, and um, you know, he's he's got this we're I think day 24 or so of day 24, day 25 of this war now. Um the Epstein files and a lot of other stuff going on um in the states and uh involving the states.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Yeah, uh it's true, and um he's uh very controversi controversial because he is he is because as we mentioned, the tendency for governments and the world to move left has suddenly been dragged back. And uh he's dragging it back toward freedom, and he's doing it suddenly and with all his might, and thus the the left will will uh look at that and just go berserk. I mean, there uh anything he says, uh they just have to be against it. And the State of the Union was a good example. Yeah, yeah. Even uh even things uh that were clearly should be clapped for, uh, Democrats didn't stand up then. They didn't want any part of it. Um I I it was it was kind of shocking uh on in some in some respects, um, some of the things that they wouldn't stand up for that normal us, we we humans would would stand up for it. Um and uh why they why they didn't was because they just disagree with his existence because he's dragging society back toward freedom and they and they want more control over you. And um, and that happens, and and so they they have a big battle ahead of them, the uh the left, um uh to get votes, and because uh the natural proclivity of the individual is to uh as he obtains knowledge and becomes more educated, and uh his knowledge uh of society and his knowledge of his job and and technology and grows in within him, um he be he'll become more successful. Uh and and and as the as people become more successful, uh by and large uh they will tend to want to uh be able to take their new found uh profit and and money and success and use it for themselves. They'll they'll want to uh uh use their their success for themselves and and when the and that requires freedom because the nature of freedom, uh freedom is the creation of a priority in one's mind, and then the effectuation of that priority into reality uh is the and and those two um dimensions of priorities, and priorities are pieces of knowledge, and those two uh dimensions create freedom. And so people who are starting to become successful due to their uh uh higher education, uh they um they want to uh take that success and effectuate their priorities, and that's called freedom. And a good example of that is the South. I mean, look at the South in 1860 and 1860. It was it was uh at that time it was plantations, and the highest uh uh the the owner uh was the one who had the knowledge of how to run the place and and had knowledge of of uh uh uh of uh but all the others did not have knowledge. They were just the worker bees, the proletariats, the slaves that worked for the for the for um uh for the uh plantation owner, and then and then suddenly that gets demolished. And so um, and so for a hundred the next hundred years, the the South is pretty much um democratic, remains democratic, remains uh liberal, remains uh uh wanting to control society. But eventually uh through education and and uh and the low cost of labor down there, uh companies started to move in, and then suddenly uh people had to uh become uh uh suddenly became educated and and uh enjoyed uh working for the companies that needed uh uh new technology. And and so uh uh since uh and so the South converted from being Southern Democrats to Republicans. And now they're they're Republicans because um their their body of knowledge has now increased, and and the more one increases knowledge, uh the more one uh tends to uh want to. Now that's that's a generalization. It doesn't happen every time. There's a reason why it doesn't have every happen every time, but as far as I can figure, it's about 30 percent of uh totalitarian of liberals, just no matter what happens to society, they'll always vote for the left, and about 30 percent on the right, and then the inside, and all that in the middle, is uh those that can be convinced to go to one side or the other. And and so each election really is about uh that that in those independents that uh need to be convinced to go one side or the other. Um and and and the way uh and so what happens is that when you're uh down there being controlled by by the haves and you're a have not, uh you as as you grow in uh knowledge-wise and and become more educated, and you and you go out and uh start a business or uh and and you profit by that, uh you break out of the have not class. And this is a sin. Uh when when the uh for the the for the haves, when they look down and somebody's breaking out, they they want to convince him to go back. Uh but they don't want uh but they like their freedom. So the new per that uh person who's gaining knowledge wants to uh keep his freedom. And so uh the the left tends to uh uh try to um argue with these people, and so they need to also keep uh a whole new uh bunch of uh bring in some more uh uh have nots so that uh they can uh maintain their voter base. And you see that uh uh especially in the last five, ten years, um uh they brought in uh opened the borders and uh brought in a lot of have nots. And uh and uh and and because of that they they they think that the they will vote for uh these have nots will vote for the Democratic Party, and probably uh largely they will. Um but and that's the that's the history of uh uh uh the the the the have nots when when people from Europe came over here, they they Tammany Hall, man, they uh they they voted democratic uh and uh because they were the ones that uh that helped them uh uh at first. Uh and um uh and they were the uh uh the people with uh little knowledge of the American way at the time. Uh so uh so that's now the battle, and that's now the political battle is to uh is to convince uh those to stay and not become too successful. Uh so they continue to vote for uh the Democratic uh left. And uh then uh the uh the ones who are successful will tend to vote now for the most part tend to vote uh to right. Um I guess uh in in in in in generations past they called that the uh uh the country club liberal uh country club Republican. Um anyway, uh that's and so that's what's going on today.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Excuse me. How do you think that um the I mean the nature of peace and how we obtain that, um, especially now? What are your thoughts on that? Especially with this, again, with this new war raging, which um I mean some I mean some countries like like I mean I mean the US anyways don't even want to call it a war, but it's it's like one country or one move away from it being a world war, in my opinion. I mean, there's at least 20 or more countries involved technically. Um and that's not if you're counting uh China and Russia and other countries who have been indirectly involved.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

You talk about Iran or or Ukraine?

SPEAKER_00 37:24

I mean, I'm talking about Iran, but but I mean fair point. There's still there's still the Ukraine war going on. There is still uh I mean things haven't uh necessarily, for lack of a better term, cleaned up or been resolved from the war with in Gaza. Um and you know, Japan and and China and Taiwan, they're all having their issues. War could start there. Um, yeah, it's it's a it's not a great time for war. Um it never is, but but now we have multiple wars, and and one of it is you know looking like a world war.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Uh World War means uh Ukraine or or Iran?

SPEAKER_00 38:07

Iran.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Okay, so that has not yet developed um uh beyond a couple of weeks here. So um it's a little early to say, but I would say that the uh that war is going to be since it was started by somebody of the right uh against a totalitarian regime uh that was threatening um its neighbors, Western Europe, and anybody, and and eventually it would probably threaten the United States if once it became technologically advanced enough to produce uh the ICBMs. But so this was a um a war of self-defense for the future, of the the predictable future. And uh the other wars that you've mentioned are all started by totalitarians. Uh this star this one in particular is not really a war. Um I don't think uh it's uh a temporary invasion. Um I I um I hesitate to call it a war, um, but I believe it'll be open and over in as uh very quickly. Um because a run? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Okay. Well, we're over three weeks in. Um almost a score of US uh servicemen already killed. So what what do you see the the benefits coming out of this war? What are your thoughts on that? It's why, why, why this war?

SPEAKER_01 39:46

I guess is what I'm it's a war of self-defense. Uh for um it's a it's a taking down of a totalitarian leader.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Okay. Um what about the thought you know, you cut the head off the snake, another one pops up, which they've already replaced him. I mean, apparently he the new leader might be in a coma missing a leg. Um but I mean, once he's killed, um I mean someone will just replace him. And now this guy, uh, if if he isn't in a coma or if he comes out of the coma, I mean, I I don't see how this guy's gonna want to ever end the war now that he's lost uh his father and countless family members and friends. And uh I I feel like he's just gonna he he'll push every button till the bitter end uh for revenge.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

Well, everything that he that that society has developed militarily is now gone. So it'll it'll free us up not having to worry about the uh this totalitarian uh evil society uh wanting to uh dominate in that that region. And you know, it's kind of interesting. The the others who who hold the same religion silence, not a peep of protest. Um, so uh everybody's kind of agreement that this place, this this totalitarian society is is bad news. And so uh uh and so all want to cooperate to keep uh good uh the oil flowing, and uh yeah, and it'll be over uh and and because of the the the amount of devastation that's happened so quickly, uh it would be decades before it would be able to be remanufactured and put again in place. So for now, for the foreseeable future, all is well. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 41:47

Okay, that's an interesting take. Um I guess uh before we start wrapping up, maybe you can talk to a little bit, talk to us a little bit about free markets. I know you I think you said you did write at least one book about about that topic, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:05

Yes, the philosophical equations of economics, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:09

Okay. Um so yeah, why don't why don't you kind of get into like the essence of the the free market enterprise? Um okay. And let me spend a few minutes on that.

SPEAKER_01 42:21

Yeah, sure. Um so so the the the essence of a of a of a of a company. Yeah, here's what so uh when you come off uh no uh so uh when you have an economy, I'm gonna read uh uh the essence of the free market. Uh we'll take an example like uh Investopedia Investopedia says, what is a free market? The free market is an economic system based on supply and demand with little or no government control. It is a summary description of all voluntary exchanges that take place in a given economic environment. Free markets are characterized by a spontaneous and decentralized order of arrangements through which individuals make uh economic decisions. The only problem with this is that it doesn't tell us what freedom is, it doesn't tell us what a market is, doesn't tell us what a transaction is, doesn't tell us anything except in these broad uh terms. So, what is the nature of a free market? The free market actually is goodness, uh and we pursue goodness uh through the use of freedom. And as we just defined freedom, freedom is the uh when when you uh uh want to do something and uh uh you uh you create a priority in your mind, like uh I I want uh to go down and get some uh a sandwich today, or uh and then you effectuate that uh um uh that priority. And so, first of all, the essence of of um of free market enterprise is the ability to uh to have free. Freedom. And we so we just defined freedom, which is uh the priority, creation of a priority in your mind, and then the effectuation of the priority. And then secondly, when you uh when you go out and effectuate that priority, um you have to um uh uh uh you're gonna make a transaction, you're gonna go down and get a sandwich. And and so that sandwich is uh so you're going down there and and taking your money down there is and uh doing it, and you're gonna take your effort and you're gonna take your time and you're gonna take uh the information and knowledge that you use to be able to go down there and you to know about sandwiches and and know where to go, and and uh and you're gonna do it because it's it might be a little risky, there's gonna be a little bit of a risk to do that. So, and and uh and there'll be some material involved because you might have to take your car. So any transaction is going to involve risk, information, knowledge, time, effort, material, and uh, and that we're gonna call that a sacrifice. So you're sacrificing those variables, and you're going to obtain a reward. And the reward is the sandwich. And then somebody on the other side of the sandwich made a uh made the sandwich for you, and so somebody on the other side also uh uses it was using risk and his knowledge to make the sandwich and time and his effort and his material, and so there's a cooperation, there's a swap, so there's a transaction. So the transaction happens when a sacrifice equals the reward. And so, and then when the sacrifice, so now we get to a third aspect of the free market enterprise. So when that sacrifice is small and the reward is large, that's called motivation. And so uh uh so when the sacrifice is small, you say you're motivated to do it. Uh so it's doesn't take much time to drive down there uh and grab that sandwich, and the and the sandwich is gonna really fill the hit the spot. So I'm gonna go ahead and proceed with it because my motivation is there. And so the motivation is good, and then but in a complicated society, often you have in order to produce a good or service uh uh and uh uh to make your sacrifice, you often cannot do it yourself because you realize that in order to make my sacrifice, I'm gonna need the cooperation of other people. So cooperation is also part of free market enterprise because you realize that uh when I cooperate, I'm able to uh uh make more uh together than if I were to do everything by myself. And so cooperation uh is is uh is another aspect of free market enterprise. And so and so, but when you have cooperation uh and when you have others in society, when you're uh doing a or when you're uh uh making a sacrifice to gain a reward, something else happens. You know, in a society, you might come across, and actually you will come across, others who want the same reward. And so when uh others uh who want the same reward come about, you now compete for the same reward. And when a whole bunch want the same reward, then uh the price goes up. Uh uh so uh so you have competition, but then you have one more aspect of free market enterprise, and I call it the I call it the the law of differentiation. So when you walk into uh CVS or any pharmacy or and you go down and and you look down any aisle, let's say you look at the toothpaste aisle, there are there's gotta be 20, 30, 40 types of new toothpaste there. And uh you go into any other aisle, it's gonna be a whole bunch because companies, when they realize that if they're gonna be selling uh the same uh reward to others, that uh uh they have to uh differentiate it because everybody knows that direct competition is inimical to one's health, and corporations realize this. So, what they do is they try to differentiate their product, and suddenly uh you'll see uh uh all sorts of variations on the same toothpaste. Uh uh it's basically the same toothpaste, but a whole bunch of variations. Uh your car market, take a look at the car market, whole bunch of variations on on on the on that which can be put on four wheels. So uh so uh tremendous variation, and so that's what happens with competition. Uh it it uh causes uh variation in product and uh and it also cooperates uh and it also uh allows us to um uh uh uh uh for us to uh produce goods and services. And uh and so what is peace? So uh uh just to summarize, free market competition is the good plus freedom, so uh plus the sacrifice plus uh competition, uh plus the law of differentiation, plus cooperation, and uh and so now what is peace? Well, peace for the individual is to make a priority, and it and uh and he makes uh uh then he tries to effectuate his priority, and he does that because he's got a reward in his mind that he wants to uh obtain. And he does that, and and he obtains that reward by making a sacrifice, and he makes a sacrifice, and he does that when he compares the the amount of sacrifice he has to do to gain the the potential reward, he uh when it's small compared to a a large uh uh reward, he goes ahead, and that's called motivation, and he goes ahead and does it. And so I'm I'm I'm hammering out free market enterprise. And then so when he wants to get a reward and it's a complicated one, and he has to involve uh uh somebody that he knows to help him make the the good or the service, he does he he cooperates and they make agreements, and they make agreements to be able to cooperate, and uh, and the way they do that is through uh uh respect for of each other and uh and um and then they respect each other in doing the cooperation and producing a good and service. And then suddenly, if if competition comes up while they're producing that uh that reward to sell to other people, suddenly if somebody comes along and has the same reward, then they differentiate their reward and try and make it a little bit better or a little bit cheaper or or some variation on it so that they can keep their business. And uh and so uh peace and the free market enterprise are the same thing, they equal each other because of the knowledge that you create in your mind and that you want to effectuate into something that you want to obtain. It's equal.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

Interesting, very interesting. Well, I do appreciate your time, my friend. Um, I'd love to maybe have you back and um we can have another discussion maybe with uh uh some other people and and you know have a kind of a panel discussion or something if that's something that you would be open to do. Um great, great, because yeah, I think that I think that'd be good. Um in the meantime, um, can you maybe just let everyone know um where they can find uh your works, uh your your podcast, and all that all that fun stuff.

SPEAKER_01 52:02

Okay, thank you for the opportunity. Yes, uh any any uh uh all my books are available uh anywhere books are sold. Uh two of them are available on Audible, the nature of aesthetics and the nature of the of the uh the left and right. Um and if you do a search, always put in my complete first name uh because um Christopher Angle, A-N-G-L-E. Uh because uh if you just put in Chris, uh a magician shows up. And he's got a lot more uh uh uh a lot more popularity than I do. So uh you have to put in Christopher Angle if you're if you ever decide to search for me. And my podcasts are um uh the philosophical angle on uh on YouTube and uh and Apple Podcasts.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

Right on, man. Right on. Well, Chris, again, thank you so much for your time. I'll definitely um be reaching out to you in in the future. And um, yeah, if you ever need anything, please let me know. But uh, it's a pleasure. Okay, my friend. You you take care, Chris. Cheers. All right, bye-bye. All right, guys. Excuse me, there's Christopher Engel. That was a um, yeah, that was an interesting top uh discussion. I would definitely uh wish I had some more time uh to kind of push back on some of the things that he was saying, but I would like to kind of get them back, obviously. Uh, whether it's just with myself or some others, um, to have more of a back and forth on that. Um, I'm sure that some of you uh would have preferred to see that, so we'll make sure to do that. Um, yeah, I guess that's about it. Um just a few notes. Make sure to check out Adam from the Truth Desk's new false flag documentary. We had him on the show just uh an episode ago, uh and he's been on uh three times now. And um yeah, he's really great. I I like him, I enjoy speaking with him and I enjoy his work. And I really think you should check out his new documentary because it's very well done, and he put a lot of time into it. And it's not like um it's really well time, it's very well done, but it's also very well timed, uh, nothing too long, and he packs a lot in there, uh, but presents it very well, so it's it's not uh doesn't come at you too hard. So definitely check that out. Uh and he'll be back on the show uh soon enough. Um also make sure to please obviously subscribe to the Divulgence podcast that you're watching right now. Um please hit us up on YouTube. We are trying to get those numbers up. Also on Rumble, we're trying to get those numbers up. Um the Rumble wallet is open. We uh again we just hit our milestone with uh YouTube, and we're in we've been approved for uh different types of monetization, which is nice. Um, if anything, just because it shows that the support of you guys is getting us somewhere. So um, yeah, but all I ask is if you guys can please subscribe, YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts, and just show some love, you know, throw some hearts, some uh or whatever it is, thumbs up, five stars, um, you know, throw a nice um comment in there or something, um, just to help us grow, and um that way we can we can bring you guys a better product, uh allows us to get uh entice other guests uh to come on. I do have like a nice handful of guests um that seem willing to come on, but I think they're kind of just waiting until we grow just a little bit. Um but obviously until then we do have we we do have tons of um awesome uh guests that are coming. So we do appreciate them. Um we have I don't have my schedule in front of me, but um we do have some shows coming up to close out March. Uh Austin Wade Picard was supposed to be on today, but he had to reschedule, so I'm hoping that we can do that in the next couple days. Um, but yeah, other than that, make sure to please check out the Scott Horton Academy. Go to Scott Horton Academy.com slash divulgence for a discount for all you divulgence fans, listeners, and supporters. And um I know uh Ollie Demigard has his April uh retreat coming up, so I'm not sure if you can still book that. You might be able to um but check the episode description for details on that. I'll always keep that updated with uh any affiliations, any discounts, anything I can get you guys. Um, you know, I I don't get paid to do this or anything like that, but if there's ever an opportunity for me to get you guys something, um I will definitely do my best to do it. Um, but yeah, thank you very much. Um, in the chat, thank you to all the viewers, listeners, and supporters. Again, please subscribe. Uh maybe make a point to try to get a friend or family member to subscribe on a platform or two. Uh, just help to get our numbers up, get some new listeners, and uh yeah, I'm hoping that the summer's gonna be uh a banger of a summer. We'll have some fun, do some great content and episodes, interviews, all that stuff. Um, yeah, I think that's it for now, though, guys. Um just take care out there. Um, I think I do have a good uh I have some in Canada, some across the pond and other various countries, but I know I do have a good clump of people um who watch me from the US. So uh sending you guys my love, um, sending everyone my love actually around the world because um yeah, it's pretty wild time right now. So um yeah, I hope everything kind of starts figuring itself out. Some of these wars get ended. We arrest some of these people in the Epstein files, and uh yeah, maybe governments can start, I don't know, doing things a little better. Uh that's for another show. So take care, everyone. All the best and enjoy the rest of your day. Thanks, guys.