#121: A.I. Takeover, the Matrix, MISSING Scientists, Everything a DEMON, Iran w/ Adam (Truth Desk)

Habsburg and myself welcome back friend, researcher, and podcaster Adam from The Truth Desk for a wide ranging and very interesting chat. We discuss the 11 (and counting) missing scientists, Trump releasing UAP files, whether aliens are demons or whether AI is a demon, how defense contractors hold all the keys when it comes to technology and weaponry knowledge, robot and AI takeovers, how these tech overlords are LOSERS, Hunter Biden laptop, lack of preparation for AI, Universe 25, the matrix, energy and gas prices, Iran War, whether they are preventing us from travelling (on purpose), scams and hacks, scamming with AI, and much more!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Welcome back to Divulgence, everybody. Me and Habsburg, we've got Adam from the Truth Desk in the house. Adam, what's going on, man? Good to see you. Good to see you, Jordan. Thanks for coming. Always a pleasure. Um, Habsburg, what's going on, man? Good to see you. And of course, it's always a pleasure. How are you today?

SPEAKER_05 0:20

Doing great, man. What's happening, Jordan?

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Not much, man. Just killing it, just killing it. So, uh, today we're gonna be talking about all sorts of space and rocket and fire rockets and spaceships and all sorts of aliens and missing scientists and breaker breaker and all sorts of different stuff today. Um, yeah, I guess we'll start with uh the I mean the missing scientists um is a story that's obviously been developing um over the years, technically, but uh over the past month it's really r seems to have ramped up in the news. Um and now we're at um unless there's been a new one announced today, I don't think so yet. Um we're at eleven missing or dead or or known dead scientists or related specialists that they seem to be linked to all sorts of different things, but um NASA and uh various labs and stuff. Um but Habsburg, you were saying you made a good point. Um, I mean, obviously it's a huge uh the way the media is putting it out there, um it's a huge story. Um and the way they're they're construing it is that you know they're all linked, there's you know, it's very uh very significant to all these people. Um, but you made a good point that I mean sometimes the links are really um not as juicy as you might think, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:55

You know, it it's hard to say. I mean, uh this this is this is an interesting story, you know, and and I can't claim to to be like really, really, you know, looped in, you know, with all of it. Um just to say that like you know, they're they're saying, oh, it's this many, you know, missing and dead, you know, scientists, but it's not uh, you know, it it's going back like several years now. I think, you know, that that they start this timeline in 2023. Not all of them are you know like necessarily connected. And, you know, it's like I I think that I think you kind of, you know, kind of gotta be like, you know, careful, um, you know, about some some of this stuff. And and and I'm a skeptic, you know, like uh, you know, and I'm you know, I'm always I'm always looking for, you know, what what might be like uh you know conspiracy or you know, whatever you call it. But you know, this this one to me, you know, it seems like it seems like they're you know, they could be like um you know, trying to, you know, maybe maybe make make this into you know a story that you know is is maybe like not what it is, and maybe like shit code it, you know, for like the parts that actually really are important, you know. Um so kind of yeah, that that's kind of what I'm curious about.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

And I mean it also could uh it could also good uh sorry, it could also work well as uh setting up some more of a smokescreen to uh keep this attention away from other topics, like I mean, Epstein has obviously been uh taking a huge hit uh in the news, in social media. Um if it weren't for people um at the front lines keeping that shit going, um, yeah, you I don't think you'd hear about it as much uh unless you went looking for it, obviously. Um so yeah, that's a good point, man. Um Adam, any thoughts on uh on this? I know it's it's still kind of a a developing story and it's a little newer to us, but um, yeah, based on what you know, any thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 3:53

Well, you know, it this is all kind of coinciding with this excitement around UFO UAP disclosure. There's a big hubbub about it. There was some congressional hearings on it. We've got um reps like Tim Burkett and and rep Luna coming out and saying, yes, there's aliens. I've seen this stuff and we need to talk about it. And it's kind of you know, Obama came on a podcast a few like a month ago, and Obama said that there's aliens. So it's like this stuff is like being brought to the forefront. And if we did have disclosure, I mean, clearly there's something there, but if we do have disclosure, it's gonna be whitewashed and you know, it's gonna be like a like a limited hangout. Um, you know, we're not gonna get the full truth of what's going on. So I mean, this could be being used as propaganda or for some sort of purpose like that to kind of shape the narrative. So I I am always when you have Fox News asking President Trump about it, and Trump's like, I I didn't hear about it, I'll look into it. You know, it's like it kind of makes me wonder what's really going on here, and whatever you hear from the mainstream media might not be, you know, the truth. Some of these scientists, the the interesting ones, there's like three of them that disappeared without a trace. Like they just that's the you know, they I agree. I think I think that's the interesting that they two of them had a handgun. Why'd they why'd they bring a handgun but not their phone? I mean, I'm an American, and you know, sometimes I have a handgun on me, but I always have my phone on me. You know, so that's that's weird, you know.

SPEAKER_04 5:30

So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:31

And Trump, you know, he also tweeted what was it like in February or March about like, oh, we're gonna release all the the um UAP files and so you know, like you know, there's something about like how you know they were gonna um you know do it like uh in in the summer or something like that. Do y'all remember saying that? Yeah. And then change it never heard anything else about it, but he definitely like this was in the last like eight weeks for sure. Um, you know, said something, you know, tweeted something to the degree of like, oh, we're gonna be releasing all of the UAP files and whatnot. So I mean that you know, to to your point, Adam, it definitely seems like they're you know setting up like you know, in the next couple months, some kind of like disclosure event, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Yeah, yeah. And it was a campaign promise of Trump's too. He came on Rogan and he said, you know, uh, a lot of people wonder about these little green men, and you know, so that this was a campaign promise of his, but who who knows where the truth is gonna be buried in and what they actually come out and tell us.

SPEAKER_05 6:40

And and like JD Vance, didn't he like in an interview just say something about oh well, you know, they're uh oh, you know, they're the what they really are is demons, and yeah, that's kind of been like a big part that's been a big part of like the narrative too. And I've heard like Tucker Carlson say stuff like that recently, and you know, it definitely seems like you know, there's um there's a lot of momentum behind like the you know, they're they're they're going to tell us something, uh you know, whatever it is, you know, um, pretty soon, I guess. You know, the way it seems like to me.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Yeah, I think it was like any day now, isn't it? Didn't they? I I thought they almost started I thought they started dropping files. Is that not yet?

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Yeah, I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

I'll have to double check. But it should be like Yeah, upon us any day now.

SPEAKER_05 7:36

But you know, it's you know, it's just real convenient too that it all coincides with when you know they're making like full scale, you know, like disclosing that they're making full-scale Hollywood movies completely with AI now, like Darren Aronofsky is making like AI movies, you know, like big you know, big time Hollywood productions. They're like, Yeah, we can do that, you know, and they're like, Oh, and and we have uh aliens, by the way. So you're like, there's a lot of like plausible deniability of like, well, is any of this real? Or you know, how you know how would we know at this point, you know?

SPEAKER_03 8:11

So well, and there's huge national security concerns too. I mean, that's that's like if if we come out and say, here's what we know about the aliens, and it's the 100% truth, you know, the the Russians have some pieces of the puzzle, the Chinese do, the the Europeans do. They're not gonna want to come out and tell everything because, well, what if one of the pieces that we have is like the missing thing that the Chinese need to develop some sort of weird propulsion system or some sort of weird weapon or something. So, you know, and that's been the argument for you know, everything that I hear is basically the the technology that the US has got from these UAPs or whatever is is not necessarily in the hands of the government, it's in the hands of defense contractors like Lockheed, Martin, Boeing, Raytheon. They're the ones that have the real hardware. And that's what those um uh congressional hearings, that's what they're talking about in those hearings, that these private companies are the ones that are actually holding the the keys. So I I I don't think that we'll get the the truth for number one propaganda, and number two, we don't want to give the adversarial governments of the world the intelligence that we know.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Yeah, that's fair. That is fair. Yeah, it's all part of that uh information game, right? You don't know who's holding what cards, but um you know that nobody wants to show them. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Well, I mean, there's stories of like these crap disabling disabling nuclear weapons, disabling silos, grounding airplanes, like they can they're basically like God. So if any if any government had this technology, they would, you know, be the ultimate Trump card, you know, no pun intended.

SPEAKER_05 9:55

No, but I think I think that that's like a big thing about it, you know. Um, I think that uh, you know, what you know, if there is like some kind of like you know, reveal and whatever it is, like you know, wouldn't that be like seen as God or replace, you know, whatever religions or like augment you know whatever religious beliefs, you know, in in whatever ways like I think you know, I think there is this like real serious religious component to it, and that you know, we see like a lot of you know the religion in the culture is being like really ramped up, and you know, we're seeing a lot of people like pushed in, you know, into um you know, like religious, you know, kind of like ideations through like social media right now. So like I I mean I don't know if you guys have noticed that, but it really seems like there's like this big, you know, kind of you know, revival of you know traditional, you know, religious beliefs happening at you know, coinciding with like this stuff about like aliens, and you know, would that would will that not like be like the new god or you know, and who knows? Um, but it's there there definitely seems like a big religious component to it and and everything that's kind of happening in the culture, definitely, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

There's like you just like you just mentioned on on one side, I'm seeing um young people getting much more interested in religion, um attending church, uh, you know, what whatever that may look like. And then on the other hand, you have like people like these tech CEOs that are you know mixing tech and religion, and you know, like you said, AI is becoming to them some sort of god, or it's kind of like there's kind of two two uh heads of the coin with the tech people because either they think AI is God or um it depends on who you're looking at, like Jack Dorsey or or um uh Facebook guy. Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, I can't believe I forgot that his name. Um you know, I some think it is God and some think it's gonna make them in make themselves into some sort of God, right? Uh transhumanism. Exact exactly. We've talked about that on this show many times, and that is so scary because not only are these people the people with the tech, but they're obviously they're the people with the money too. Um and it's like I don't know what that what that's gonna look like in 10 years, 20 years. Uh it's it's quite scary, and just the thought that um I don't think as many people are are are talking about it or aware of it that should be, so I don't think enough conversations are being had um about safety in the future, and that's that's very concerning as well.

SPEAKER_03 12:56

Well, you know, Peter Thiel's given a four-part lecture on the Antichrist, you know, why is Peter Thiel so obsessed with the Antichrist? There's been whistleblowers in open AI that have said uh basically a direct quote is we're summoning demons, you know, they're they're opening portals to summon demons. And they were using it metaphorically, talking about the the intelligence that these AI systems have. But if you look at a company like OpenAI that rolls out products before they're really ready, you know, like those videos of Chat GPT not being able to time you and and then it's lies to you saying it can time you, and that's dangerous because if you have these these AI agents or whatever that aren't fully ready to go and you push them out, as they become more intelligent and they have this self-preservation instinct too, these AI systems that's been documented. You know, if the AI knows it's going to be shut off, it'll copy itself, it hides it from its creators. So it's like it's already getting kind of sketchy out there, and you know, it it's it's a very, it's a very it's exciting, but it's also, you know, I mean, AI could be the Antichrist, you know.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

And and oh, and they just recently can, they just I I think that's maybe what you were just referencing, but they uh I read a uh a really interesting and very scary article about they had to just recently shelve another product, um and they was talking about how one of the employees there was getting emails from the product essentially, um and it was just it just completely escaped the sandbox and the parameters that it had set, and it was just um taking it upon himself to um gather info and put out info, and it just it started getting really bad. They had to pull the plug like immediately, uh, and it's just like what the hell man? And like just the tests that you were speaking of, where they they they find like, oh, I have to I gotta find a reason a a way to survive, right? If I'm getting uh updated or replaced or whatever, I I gotta figure something out, and that's um yeah, man. It's the robots, man.

SPEAKER_05 15:08

Well, and and and the robot thing, they like they're they're really rolling those out really fast too, right now. Um it seems like that's you know been it in the news everywhere too. Um the thing that's that's interesting when you talk about like you know the AI, you talk about like the UFOs, UIPs, whatever. Like, um are you guys familiar with Jack Serafati? The the new he's he's like one of the you know the leading figures in like um like astrophysics. He's you know, he's kind of like one of these um you know like big figures in um you know uh kind of like the the new physics, you know, like starting from the 70s and stuff. Um, anyways, um he he says, you know, yeah, Jack Serafati. Uh he he's he's a pretty nutty guy, but but you know, he's he he's taken like very seriously. And um, you know, he talks about how like these UFOs are like AIs from the future, basically, um, you know, that like are coming, you know, using these, they're AIs that are basically like using these like you know uh manifestations, you know, at it's kind of like um time machines, you know, or or whatever. Um, but uh, you know, the you could you could you could see like how all of these narratives, uh all of these different technologies kind of like start blending in, and you know, how there is like this um, you know, like religious component to to all of those things. Like you said, you know, they're talking about summoning demons, uh, you know, they um how uh you know uh again, like the vice president is like, well, they're actually demons, these aliens. They're they're you know, they're demons. You know, so so so we're you know, we're hearing that stuff. And um, you know, the the point that Adam made about like AI itself being the antichrist, like, you know, I mean, I think it it it definitely like um you know when you talk about like the antichrist and like in the in the Bible and you know uh you know the book of Revelations in chapter 13, you know, what it actually is saying is that you know you have like the antichrist that you know being like the first beast and the uh the the false prophet being the the the second beast, the beast of the sea and the beast of the earth, and that the the beast of the earth makes uh an image of the the first beast and breathes life into him. So like basically, like that's I think the AI component is that like they're talking about you know making you know breathing life into like an image and um you know making people and like forcing the people to worship the the image, not even actually like the beast, but the image of the beast um that has been brought to life. So uh you know to me that that reads like AI for sure.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Quite possible. You know, the the stories in the Bible are all about uh total control. It's it's it's saying when there's a system of total control in place, when you can't buy or sell anything without the mark of the beast, it's talking about a system like like almost that's being developed. You've got, you know, if you had surveillance cameras everywhere in the 1970s, you'd have to hire hundreds of thousands of people to watch it. Now, if you use AI, you can have AI scan everything, record everything. You can use digital credit, you know, uh digital currencies and social credit to keep people that you don't like from using the economic system, like we see in China, you know, where where if you have a bad social credit score, you can't get a job, you can't get a bank account. So that's really what the Bible's talking about is if if a government has total control, you know, there's a one-world government and they have total control, that's the conditions that bring about the Antichrist. And it's the same thing like Lord of the Rings, talking about how absolute power absolutely corrupts. Doesn't matter if it's Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping or Trump or whoever, absolute power will corrupt anyone that has it.

SPEAKER_05 19:08

Well, and like you talk about Lord of the Rings, like why are all of these um you know companies that are involved with the AI surveillance state named after you know things in the Lord of the Rings like Palantir and like Andorra, like you know, that's that's not by coincidence, it's super creepy, but well, they're all nerds, so yeah. Well, yeah, but the the thing too is like you know, you talk about cameras and being like monitored by cameras, but to like a degree, they don't even need cameras because they you know are gathering all this biometric data too. Like we have even you know, people that just have the phones in their pockets, you know, it's it's gathering like biometric data, but like everybody is like wearing these wearables. I mean, yeah, I know like ridiculous amounts of people, even like paranoid people that I know wear wearables, and which I can't believe. But you know, so like you know, with a lot of people, you we don't they don't even need um you know to like be using cameras to to surveil people, like it's you know, it's like our actual like biometric rhythms, and so they know like what what you know your your brain patterns are doing, your your heart be, you know, like you know, things things that are like more than what they could even monitor if they just by filming or like recording conversation, you know.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

Oh, for sure. And you know, they're they're all about taking all this data, getting all the data they can and crunching it with AI so they can be like, you know, if we add this external stimulus, what does that do to the population? You know, and we saw that with the the censoring of the Hunter Biden laptop story. I mean, they they they knew, hey, if this story comes out, Joe Biden's gonna fucking lose the election. So they hit it, they buried it, Twitter buried it, media outlets didn't report on it, and they successfully covered the story up. Now, to their credit, they thought maybe this laptop was dropped off by Russian intelligence, which it could have been, you know, it was dropped off to a blind guy and it had all these incriminating. I mean, it's just a laptop full of incriminating shit. But, you know, that's a clear example of them saying, we know what'll happen here, and we're gonna change the outcome of something. And we're gonna start to see that a lot more, I think.

SPEAKER_05 21:23

Well, you know, and um like I think it works on like so many levels, even. I mean, um, you know, just like when you when you start talking about like the biometric stuff, I mean, once, you know, once they have uh, you know, like these devices, these wearables, um, and like what we were talking about with Courtney yesterday, you know, how um um you know, like RFK even has said, like, you know, Maha is MABA, like make uh make America bio accelerate. Um and that that then he says like every Every American needs a wearable, right? And they're doing that. And they are doing that in like other countries, even and you know, like with kids in school or like people at a job, they can say, like, all right, you know, we're monitoring like your pupillary activities, and so you're not paying attention. You know, you're you're thinking you're like your your brain patterns show that you're not like completely focused on this. We're gonna like, you know, maybe like transmit because these things are like two ways. They they transmit and they receive, you know. So it's like, oh, you know, you're not paying attention, we're gonna like zap something into you to make you pay attention, and you know, things like that. I mean, that's that's where this you know really can go. And uh like it it is so deep. Um, you know, so like uh you know, the you know, when when I think about that kind of stuff, it's like there there's kind of like no limit to to what they can do, you know, to to like your body and your consciousness already. So, you know, where does that go?

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Scary stuff, man. Really scary stuff. And uh again, I I just don't feel enough people are uh putting enough attention to some of this stuff. So again, that's it's it's great that we can you know bring bring people together and and and have these discussions here because Yeah, it's uh it's gonna come and it's gonna come fast, just like this whole AI thing. Like I know obviously there's been um there's been scientists and uh computer researchers and technologists and yada yada yada, all these professionals that have pro that have been writing books and seminars and speeches talking about the you know the upcoming AI for for decades. And you know, over the past give or take five years, I'd say after COVID, um, I feel like there was a huge push and a lot of people felt very overwhelmed by it and still do. Um and I don't blame them because there's just um there's not enough preparation for that, I don't think.

SPEAKER_03 24:05

No. I mean there's there's a few outcomes that can happen from it, and a lot of them are scary. The first one is you know, uh the elites or the nobility have always needed peasants to do the work, and with AI, they're not gonna need that anymore. So are they just what gonna kill us off? And then there's gonna be like a thousand people from these 13 ancient nobility families that that are still alive. Are, you know, Jordan, we've talked about universe 25, which is very briefly that's an experiment that shows if you they built a mouse utopia and provided all of their needs, food, water, shelter, mice wanted for nothing, and the result was a total population collapse. So, like Elon Musk advocates for universal basic high income. What's that gonna do when you have 80%, 90% of people not working, sitting on their ass all day, getting a check? They're gonna get fat, they're gonna get lazy, they're gonna smoke weed and jerk off, and they're not gonna do anything, and it's gonna lead to a population collapse. The third option is you know, maybe some sort of utopia, but I really feel like that's you know, sub-20%. I would put the chances, honestly. There's there's gonna be some pain and there's gonna be some not pleasant things that happen from this AI revolution.

SPEAKER_05 25:18

Um, yeah, and I think that I you know, I think that like it could be like, you know, this like utopian vision for a small percentage of you know, whatever population. I mean, it's it it doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like it could be like uh on a utopia on a uh on a mass scale. Although, you know, the other the other thing is you you know we also don't know how many people there actually are. That's something that I think about too, right? You know, they say that there's eight billion. Like, how do like how do we know how do we possibly know that that the that figure could be true? You know, if that they're you know um using these you know algorithmic models that they're programming to you know generate this, like you can't count how many people there are, but but you know, clearly, like to Adam's point, like you know, you you know, once once you get to like a certain level of you know sophistication with this stuff, and you know, people like don't need to do anything, like um, you know, there's only so many people that are like you know, gonna, you know, gonna be like around, you know, for whatever, and it's not gonna be you, you know, like utopian for everybody, you know, or uh equally utopian for everybody.

SPEAKER_03 26:29

So well, well, humans need a purpose. Humans need a reason to get out of bed every day, and it's been well documented through people that are like on welfare or government programs, you know, social security, disability. It's it's proven that these people don't lead necessarily happy lives because you know, giving you a job, even though you might hate your job, it gives you a reason to get up, you do something, it keeps your brain active. It's like a hamster wheel for humans. So if you don't have that and everyone's sitting on their ass all day, I mean, in Universe 25, it was a total societal collapse. You had some mice that spent all day long grooming themselves, not doing anything. You had mice that engaged in degenerate behavior like homosexuality, and not, you know, no shade to gay people, but you know, it led to an increase in that, which is interesting. It's it's went for all animals engage in homosexuality and having all their needs met increased it. Uh mothers stopped raising young. So, I mean, we're already seeing essentially population collapse across the West. Europe and America, the birth rate is below replacement. Korea, it's like 0.7. You know, every every two people have 0.7 kids. So in a few generations, that leads to a huge population collapse. In fact, it's very interesting. The only Western country that has a positive population increase is Israel. It's like almost a three. Oh, come on. Oh god. It's the only one. And it's it's because they have lots of tax incentives. They have tax incentives which exist in the West too in like Nordic countries, but you also have uh a really strong uh people in Israel think that it's their duty to have kids, that they have to like repopulate their their race.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

So that's interesting. Oh, hashtag always them. Um we also uh we all we we spoke about this yesterday with Courtney actually uh about purpose. Um and she was actually had she was pretty uh optimistic, I'd say. Um I and she was saying that um I I I mean, now that come to think of it, it was near the end and I should have pushed her on it a bit. Not pushed her, but I should have had her elaborate a bit more. Um she thinks that like that's something that will work itself out. Um I should definitely, you know, have her explain that more next time she comes on.

SPEAKER_05 28:51

But uh I think what she was saying, uh, you know, um not that it will like inherently work itself out, but that but that, you know, in these you know kind of scenarios, like we are, you know, we are conditioned to think of our jobs as our purpose. And you know, that like um, you know, that she's saying that you know that there's a difference between, you know, like um, you know, having a job and you know, like actual like stewardship of, you know, society and you know, like planet and our you know, like families and our lives. And um, you know, like and and I agree, and I think that that's I think that that's a good point. I mean, um, you know, I I think that that purpose is derived, you know, in so many different ways, and it's not strictly, you know, from from working. Um, but you know, I think that there are, you know, um, in these scenarios, um, you have uh, you know, it's not just like the UBI, it's also like the carbon credits and like these kind of like um uh you know um like asceticism, you know, with like you know, energy and you know, like different kinds of like natural foods where you know it's like you you won't have access to these things that like can otherwise give you purpose, you know, um, in addition to like your actual work. Like if you if you can't drive a car because you can't afford the the gas or because that's you know your carbon credits are limited, like how do you get out to like the woods and go fishing or mushroom picking or you know, hiking or like things that give us purpose that like aren't our jobs, you know, thing, you know, how do you get to like meet up with other people like at a certain point? Um, you know, and I think that this is you know what it's really all about to me is you know, they're gonna say, well, well, yeah, you can't travel and you can't go do this, but we have like these virtual reality, you know, systems and uh, you know, all of this like artificial stuff that's gonna be totally immersive, and we're gonna have these like drugs that you can combine, you know, um, these like powerful, like psychotropic, psychedelic drugs that you can combine with these AI VR, you know, systems and like, you know, universes, and like you won't need to go anywhere. And your purpose will be to like function in there and to even to the degree that like your job will be in these like AI worlds, and like, you know, you'll have well, you know, that's that's what you get up in the morning to do. Um, or you do it in your sleep, like who who even knows? Um, but I think that that's that that's where like the the end game of all this is is like you know, to to trap people like in this um kind of like artificial, you know, vr, you know, AI, you know, metaverse, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Um Matrix.

SPEAKER_05 31:40

The matrix, yeah, exactly. Matrix, ready player one, like, you know, I mean, how many lawnmower man, like how many movies are about this? Like, yeah, we they show it to us for sure.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

Well, I mean, that's a that's a great point. Um, because if you could put on a VR headset and you could experience that reality just like your everyday reality, you could live like Jeff Bezos or you know, a billionaire or a king. You could do whatever you wanted, wealth, food, women. So, why would you want to take your headset off and go back to your crappy one-bedroom apartment, you know, when you could just be totally immersed and be, you know, whatever you want to be. So that's that's a huge, you know, already people struggle with video game addiction and they're not, you know, that great. Not at the level of virtual reality.

SPEAKER_05 32:29

But but they will, but they will be soon. I mean, like we can we can only imagine, you know, like how how quickly, you know, that that's gonna happen. And in the case of like you mentioned, the matrix, like, you know, it's not even a matter of like people preferring to live in that world, it's a matter of people don't even know, you know, and they are talking about already like that 6G is like you know, harvesting, you know, like human, you know, like uh you know, energetic output to you know, like power these um you know uh um uh like like sit like signal devices and you know signal generation. So I mean that's that's what that movie is about, basically. Um you know, harvesting you know the the human energy, using humans as as batteries basically.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

So but that's what pulls out the battery, right?

SPEAKER_05 33:15

Right. And but that but that's you know, like there are there are like white papers that you can go read about like that's like what you know 6G um you know actually is based on. So um, yeah, I that's like that that's just what I think is like you know, when you know when um when you cut out like not just you know like the you know the purpose of people you know like going to work and doing all this stuff, but that you say like well, you know, that we're this is a climate crisis, this is a you know uh pandemic, you can't leave, you can't go anywhere, you can't use you know energy, um, you know, like you're you're stuck wherever you are, that like the purpose is like in this this other universe that that they're working really hard to create. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

Well, I think you know, I think that that threat of you specifically mentioned like the government telling you you don't have enough carbon credits to go on a drive today. I I think that might work in Europe. I think we're a long way away from that in the US. Now, maybe with a little bit more social conditioning, we could get there if we you know strike at people's fear and say, oh, this is everyone's responsible for the environment. Right now, I think Americans are are pretty still more freedom-minded than than like Europe. But you're right. I mean, we are headed down that path, and that's you know, World Economic Forum, Bilderberg, that's all the shit that they're putting out is is climate change. And you know, there's really, in my opinion, this, you know, I'm not a scientist, but there's been global warming and cooling going on for millennia. And we're actually in a period right now of global cooling if you if you expand it all the way out, you know. So it's it's how how real is the climate threat, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 35:02

And and to your point, like I I think I think you're right that in other, you know, uh parts of the world that that kind of like psyoping about you know climate, this and that will work on people, but you know, you can also like force people's hands by creating energy crises through war or through, you know, whatever kinds of things. If you, you know, if you're like, oh well, we're gonna be in this forever war and bomb all of the oil fields in the the Middle East and you know, like have the Strait of Horn Moose closed indefinitely, you know, like by default, you that's an energy crisis, and you don't even need to manufacture this psyop about you know climate, this or that. Like it's just there's you know, there is no you know, gas or yeah, there's no petroleum to like be used. And so it's just like by default, you're in that scenario. So like, you know, one, you know, once gas gets, you know, I mean it's dropped a little bit, but like, you know, here in Oregon, like it's been, you know, right around five bucks a gallon, like for for weeks now. Um, you know, so it's like uh, you know, how how much more can it be to where people are just like, I can't go anywhere, you know?

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think Europe has said if things continue the way they are, we have a matter of months left. A short matter of like essentially a matter of weeks uh left uh for energy. Um airlines are canceling flights like crazy, adjusting their schedules, uh adding on increasing prices to make up for the energy. Um there was the I don't know if the the huge American Airlines merger had anything to do with this, but it very well could have. They they they quashed the merger, uh, which would have been a huge merger. Um yeah, it it's crazy. And some people have to rethink uh uh simple travel. Uh Europe's getting big right now on uh work from home, uh four-day or three-day weeks. Uh yeah, things it's almost like COVID again. Things are just changing very quickly, um, especially for some people in in certain parts of the world, because uh obviously this this this conflict is a war is affecting uh everyone, but because uh for like for us, example, for example, in Canada, we get our oil from ourselves, uh and it it doesn't affect us all that much, but it does to an extent. But we see it other places, food costs, um uh shipping costs, you know, uh all these companies are trying to make their money back somehow. So uh we're getting hit on it somehow.

SPEAKER_05 37:54

Um, and and also, you know, like you talk about food, I mean, like fertilizer production, you know, like there are some people like synthetic, yeah, synthetic fertilizers, you know, are so dependent on you know petrochemicals, and which I'm not saying is a good thing, but at this point, you know, like with the mass scale agriculture, you know, I mean, you it can't it can't work without those types of fertilizers at this point. So um, I think that that to me is is you know, like the big thing is like, yeah, um, you know, you shut off the the oil production in the Middle East, and like here in North America, like we have, you know, plenty of resources, but we don't have the infrastructure to extract it, to refine it, and to distribute it like effectively. You know, you're talking about like years and years that it will take to like you know build the infrastructure that we need to, you know, like not depend on you know, like those sources for for that kind of energy production. And the energy that is being like produced here you know is being like sent out now because there are other places in the world that you know like you know, they they you know need it like in Europe and stuff. So now, you know, uh domestic uh you know petroleum companies here in in the United States, and I assume in Canada too, are exporting it. So we're not even like using it here, you know, it's not even available to us.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

Well, that's a that's a great point because unless you nationalize, you know, like straight up communism, you nationalize an oil sector or you you put protectionist measures in place where you say you can't ship to Europe, you have to sell domestically. I mean, we're we don't have that. We're free market, free market in Canada. So yes, they'll ship their oil to Europe and the the price will offset and you know the gas will be just as expensive here in North America as it is in Europe.

SPEAKER_05 39:42

So I think I think that that's all like part of the scam, you know, to me, and that like so much of what this like the war is actually about is like this is like the actually what's behind it. That's just you know, my you know, like kind of like deeper feelings about it is that the the whole point of this is to actually uh you know cause this massive energy crisis to where like it it really shuts everything down. That's the real great reset. But that's a great point.

SPEAKER_03 40:11

War wars are all rackets. We've talked about that before. There's always economic incentives, people make a lot of money from war, and it's rarely what you see. It's the people on TV, the talking heads are just giving you propaganda. The real drivers behind it are the the billionaires, the oligarchs that you know want to make even more billions, you know.

SPEAKER_05 40:31

Yeah. And I think I think in this case it's like specifically about you know, like changing, you know, how how the world works with oil and you know, to to like cut off our you know, ability to have it. And you know, like the to even to the degree that like I don't know, I don't know where how it is where you guys live, but like for example, here um you know, most of the the states on the west coast have like passed legislation where by 2035 internal new new production of internal combustion engine cars will not be allowed to be sold. Like in it started in California, but they passed the same thing in here in Oregon and Washington. And I know some of the the the states on the the eastern coast too is like by 2035, the only vehicles that you'll be able to like retail in the state are electric vehicles, right? And you know, at it by by the time you get to 2035, uh, you know, like people people's, you know, cars that they have right now in 2026, most people will be like having to replace what they have. They don't make cars that well anymore, right? You know, for the most part. And right. So so you're you're gonna be like forced, you know, that way too. And you know, like to the point where you're like, well, I can't, you know, not only can I not afford the gas, you know, eventually, like I'm not even gonna be able to buy a car that runs on gas. Um, you know, so like you can't go anywhere. And you know, that that seems to be like the the kind of like the time frame, and that this is like sort of accelerating that whole process. Um, you know, that maybe you don't even need to get to a point where you can't buy an internal combustion engine because you can't afford to put gas in it, the one that you have or the one that you could buy.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

So I didn't think that, man. That's crazy. That's freaky, man. These are all freaky thoughts. They really are.

SPEAKER_05 42:22

Sorry, I know this, I know this is kind of like a tangent from what our like the actual topic was, but this is a good this is a good discussion. It's a good discussion. Yeah, it's a good discussion.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

We go with what we do, man. All good.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Let's keep it warm. Well, you know, uh electric cars, they they rely on a lot of rare earth, you know, lithium and and thing cobalt, and you know, the mining practices for that are, you know, if you look at some of the pictures of these cobalt mines in the Congo, I mean, it's absolutely terrible. And that's that's what's going in your car that you think is so eco-friendly. And you know, you've got child labor and slaves, and you know, um, I mean, the Congo is just a terrible country. There's cannibalism in the Congo, it's it's one of the worst places in the world. And, you know, it's like how how much how how much better is it to get that electric car that's being sourced from all these inhumane methods, you know, versus just putting some dinosaur juice in your car and and going down the road, you know?

SPEAKER_05 43:22

Um, well, and to and to the degree that like how do they even extract those minerals and any materials without using petroleum to operate the machines to actually extract them? Like you can't there there are there are no like EV, you know, like mining gigantic, you know, like mining machines, like they all run on diesel or whatever kind of petroleum based fuel.

SPEAKER_03 43:49

Yes. It's well, you know, and that's the same thing with ethanol. You remember when ethanol was a big thing, the the corn produced? It's like you gotta use diesel tractors to plant and plow and dig. It's like it's a net negative. It you know, it was all just designed and subsidized by the government to help farmers sell fucking corn, you know, because we don't have enough high fructose corn syrup here in the US. We gotta add some other stupid thing. We gotta start making when they could make it out of hemp oil, you know, hemp oil is a lot cheaper to make, but you know, weed is bad, so we put that on the back burner and we started a finicky crop like corn, we're gonna use to make biodiesel.

SPEAKER_05 44:27

Truth be told. Um, it's I mean it it's it's interesting, and and I think that like also the like the um what was it, the E80? Like it was like, right? Isn't that what it was called?

SPEAKER_03 44:42

The the ethanol, the they put 20% ethanol into petroleum.

SPEAKER_05 44:46

It was, I mean, it was it was a pretty low grade product, too, right? I mean, it was like you know, you didn't get the same kind of like like energy output value, from what I understand, you know, from that type of fuel that you do from like a higher you know octane of like it's dirty, it was dirty.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

So the ethanol, if you ran it in your car, you know, first of all, you had to have a car that was designed to run on E85 or E80 or whatever, and then if you did, it would wear out like your oxygen sensors and stuff, and it would it was harder on the internal components of your car than just regular petroleum was. So yeah, it sucked all the way around.

SPEAKER_05 45:25

And then there's also biodiesel, which is actually pretty badass, you know. Like the you can't, I mean you can run like diesel motors with like a conversion kit just on like grease, like French fried grease, restaurant grease.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

Have you seen there's a guy that does that? He's uh what the hell's his name? He's like a Scottish guy, but he he you take the um cooking grease and you cut it with like diesel fuel and mix it together, and uh it makes uh actually where I used to work, I won't name drop the company, but we had older diesel trucks that were pre-emissions trucks that didn't have the DPF system on it, the def uh filter for diesels. And we got a rejected load of uh it was like chicken fat or something like beef fat or something. Rather than dispose of it, we took it, put it in our diesel fuel tank, and then cut it down with diesel and just ran it in our trucks on like regular, like non-modified engines? Yes. Well, I mean, so they were um like 90s-era Freightliner Columbia's. Yeah, so it did it did clog up the filters and stuff. Um, you know, it works best on an old engine. If you tried to like, you know, your Mercedes diesel that you buy 2026, it probably wouldn't work that good. But an old something from like the 60s, 70s, yeah, you can because it just the the filters and shit clog up with that. But no, there's really I wish I could know that guy's name. It's Scotty something, but he's a um a Scottish guy, and he runs uh he's got a does a lot of shorts, like YouTube shorts and stuff, where he cuts down cooking oil and stuff and runs it in diesels. I think he drove a bus across America doing that.

SPEAKER_05 47:06

I mean, it was really cool, like if like a few years ago. I mean, actually, it was it was like more than 10 years ago now. Um, I was looking into um I and I like test drove it. Um, it was a like an 83 Mercedes, you know, diesel um that had like a grease kit, like a conversion kit, where you know you would start the car on um like diesel. It had you know still had the gas tank for the diesel, but then it had like another tank that you would put vegetable oil in and um you know that you would get from like McDonald's or Chinese restaurant or whatever. You'd start the car on diesel and then you flip a switch and it would like switch over to where it was running on the the the grease. And um, and it when I drove it, it was really cool. The only problem was because it wasn't like a turbo, like it, you know, it just didn't go very fast and it like you know didn't didn't do great like uphill. Um, but like it was cool. And you know, if if like that's something that's something you can buy for like not that much money, like that exists now, but yeah, I know that's way off topic, but but it was it was really cool.

SPEAKER_03 48:14

Well, those diesel engines too. What's cool about them is they are they're overbuilt, you know. So a diesel will go for like a million miles, exactly. Um, because they're compression engines. So some of those, like those older 80s Mercedes diesels you're talking about. I have a friend that actually has one of those, and he's had that thing for probably 15 years now. And they made sweet, they made so many parts for it that the part support is really good. I mean, that's a huge like if you buy a 1979 Ford L T D, I mean, good luck finding uh anything for it. That's you know right.

SPEAKER_05 48:48

No, uh I mean they're the they're they're great cars, like I said, if it the one the the one that I that I had had driven, like if it had if it had like a turbo in it, like I think they that could have been like a daily driver for forever, I would have bought it. But it just you know just couldn't couldn't like get you know enough uh you know like speed. But uh but sorry, yeah, sorry, sorry to like you know go go off. Oh no engine.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

I I was gonna say one more point about diesels, and that's just as as someone that was a truck driver in in logistics, the the government really wrecked uh diesels with the the diesel particulate filters and def system when they rolled that out because what it is is you take you're putting something on the truck, it's a ceramic filter that uses this fluid, and it's it's it first of all, it degrades the quality of the engine. There's back pressure in the engine, but it they clog so frequently. And if you idle, you know, a diesel can idle indefinitely. You can't idle a gas engine that long, but a diesel you could idle for weeks or years, or there's like in the wintertime when I was a truck driver, I'd never shut my truck off because it's cold and it's hard to start. But those those deaf systems really did a lot of downtime in the trucking industry. And really what it was was the big trucking companies wanted to impose this technology on the smaller guys to make it more difficult for them to, you know, run their business and and to cause hiccups for them. Same thing with the electronic log mandate. And uh, you know, it's it's interesting with the D DPF filters. The US military, I saw this the other day, uh, the diesel trucks they buy, they buy them without deaf systems in it. So they they they recognize that it uh degrades performance and battle readiness, but only for them, not for anyone else.

SPEAKER_05 50:28

And and the reason and the reason that those filters are required, it's like an emissions thing or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

It's you know the old you know how you roll coal in a diesel where you romp on the gas and all that black soot comes out. That doesn't happen with a deaf system. So it's it's it's all that it's basically just carbon, it's unburnt fuel. Um, you know, and of course it looks nasty, it smells nasty, but um that that def system really makes the trucks a lot more unreliable. You know, there was for a while you could get um is that on like pat regular passenger vehicles too? Everything, every diesel, it's on semi-trucks, passenger trucks. Uh, you know, guys would get uh you could buy delete kits for like and have a shop do it for like three or four thousand where they would delete that def system. And I think they're cracking down on that now. But the the you so you can't just cut the filter off, you've got to like reprogram the ECM to run without it, and it's it's kind of technical, but a lot of guys were doing that buying new diesels and chopping the def filter off them. Def sucks, it it freezes up. It's basically it's deaf is just uh 70% urea, which is a fertilizer precursor. But that urea freezes, it crystallizes at like 40 degrees, so it's a pain in the ass that the truck stops, they've got these blankets. Up in Canada, I couldn't even imagine what it's like up there for those poor bastards trucking.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Yeah, my my stepdad was a trucker, and uh he was a tough guy, so he put up with it, but um yeah, it's um it seems like a tough business, man. A tough, tough gig.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

Well, even the diesel fuel freezes, you gotta put shit in the fuel to keep your fuel from gelling up, you know, and and because that's no if it's minus ten and your fuel gels up, I mean it's it becomes a survival situation, you know, you could freeze to death.

SPEAKER_01 52:16

Yeah, and then just ice and conditions can get really bad, and uh I mean, obviously that's uh uh I mean I think like if I'm driving somewhere out of town or something and I know the weather's bad, I think to myself, okay, like that'll you know, what percentage of time is that gonna add onto my trip? And like for a truck, right? It's probably like an extra whatever percent, like, you know, uh because you gotta go even slower, and then if you're making turns, you gotta go even slower, and you just have to uh so I can just imagine the uh the extra time spent on that kind of stuff. So it's it's dangerous for sure. It's dangerous. And you get people getting these licenses now. Um say it, like these foreign people getting these licenses. I know it's it's bad in Canada, and I'm I'm almost positive it's it's it's become a problem. Uh, I think it was last summer it was a big problem in the states as well, these uh people with these licenses, and they just can't actually drive. Like maybe they can drive, but they can't understand road signs, or they can't read road signs, and they're like doing a U-turn somewhere where you're not supposed to be doing a U-turn, and then someone just drives right into them.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

Yeah, that's a huge problem. There's they're called CDL mills, and they'll just you know, they'll take people a lot of times. It's like Russians or Indians, Sikhs will come over a lot, and and Arabs, and they'll they'll get run through a CDL school and they'll get a license, and they can't really drive, they can't read English road signs. I I encountered lots of people that didn't speak English uh out on the road, and uh yeah, no, it is. I I just saw I think uh the state of New York just lost like 80 million dollars in federal funding because their CDL program is so corrupt.

SPEAKER_05 54:12

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

That that uh and and the next step is they'll just revoke everyone's CDL that has a New York CDL, which that's that's huge, you know.

SPEAKER_05 54:22

So no, and and I know that I know that like recently, and you know, I'm not like you know pointing fingers at like any particular group, but like I I do know that a lot of them, you know, um these mills are like you said like the Sikhs and you know, like people generally Indians. And um, see, I've been to India and like over there, you see, over there, like there are like what what people don't understand is over there there like actually aren't traffic rules. Like there they're there it it's basically like whoever has the largest vehicle on the road has the right of way at any given point in time. And there, I mean, this is actually how it works, okay? I mean, and and you have like on the roads at the same time, it's you know, it's like just uh there's I mean, dude, in big cities, like in Mumbai, it will be like cows, dogs, people on scooters, people on, you know, like in little, you know, compact cars, you know, giant, you know, semi-trucks, like all like just going in and out of the same. I mean, I've never seen anything like it. And you're like, you don't really know how you know it functions. It I guess it functions, but it doesn't function. But the point is that there actually like aren't rules over there. Like, and and I and I'm not, I'm not like, you know, I'm not stereotyping. I've been there, I've I've seen it. Like, this is how this is how it works. And for somebody who like learned to drive in that environment and then come over here where it is like highly regulated, and there are like a lot of expectations of like this is how you, you know, actually, you know, you know, navigate these, you know, public roadways and stuff like this. Like you have to, you know, adhere to these rules and and principles and things like that. Like it's just you know, like there's there's like a cultural um you know difference of like, yeah, okay, maybe there's a rule, but like we don't really have to follow them because you know, we know how to drive without rules. And and so that's like to to that point. Um, I like I've seen how it how it works in in these other places, and like it's crazy. And like, you know, the it it's it does not translate to how it's supposed to work here.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

Well, and that's you know, even the quality of American CDL drivers has gone downhill. You know, if you think of a truck driver in your head, a lot of people think of a big burly guy with cowboy boots and a flannel shirt. Most of the time it's sweatpants and overweight crocs. Um, you know, it's it's it's a far cry from the smokey in the bandit days, uh, where you had, you know, you just really had an explosion in the transportation industry. And so they had to bring in a bunch of new you hear about the driver shortage all the time, driver shortage. Um, you know, but then these major carriers have like over a hundred percent turnover, like Werner, Swift, uh JB Um JBS, and and it's really too like they and I talked about the ELD mandate, these big companies, you used to have a paper log book because you have hours of service rules, you can only drive so long. So you would keep track of that on paper. Of course, guys would cheat on it. I had a paper log at one time, I cheated on it. But what happened was when they had to hire all these inexperienced drivers, then these big companies said, Oh my god, we can't compete with these smaller carriers because they're more efficient, they've got paper logs. So then the big carriers, mainly Werner, pushed for the ELD mandate. So now every truck has a uh uh electronic log hooked up to the ECM that's recording everything that you do. Um, and it's it's you know, of course, in the name of safety and everything, but you know, really it was just about um grinding down the small guy's competitive advantage, which you know, a lot of the times regulation and stuff is that's the true goal. Either that or to make a moat, you know. If you real true uh capitalism is kind of dead in America, you know, you've got all these rules and permits and regulations and taxes, it's it's all this shit creates a moat around existing companies and keeps it to where smaller entrepreneurs can't can't thrive as good as you could a hundred years ago, you know.

SPEAKER_05 58:26

That's interesting, man. That's that's that's a that's that must have been a crazy experience to to be you know working in in that industry and to to be doing that. You you don't do it anymore? Did you mean offer?

SPEAKER_03 58:38

No, I actually started I was really young. I was uh 23 when I started to drive. And uh wow. I just yeah, I kind of taught myself. I I went to a CDL mill, it was a CDL in one day place, and I didn't know how to drive. And I just figured it out. Yeah, I just figured it out. But I'm you know, I'm pretty competent, not to suck my own dick or anything, but you know, you just you just learn from other people and kind of figure it out. I I mean in the 70s there was no CDL, you know, you just were regular driver's licensed and you got on the road, and guys just figured it out.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

But that's cool. We should do uh that's cool, man.

SPEAKER_05 59:13

And you were doing like national routes or like more localized routes, or yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:18

No, I um um California, New York, Florida. Um, I never made it up to the three western states Idaho, Washington, and Oregon. Um, and I never went to New York City, which that's that's fine, they can keep that. But everywhere else, yeah, it's uh you know, got saw saw lots of pretty much every major city I've been to. That's cool. Drove through it anyway.

SPEAKER_05 59:41

I couldn't imagine driving a rig like into New York City, that would be insane.

SPEAKER_03 59:46

Yeah, well, the the big thing is the truck stops, there's there's not truck stops in these places. You know, if you go somewhere like that, you gotta think about the land is so valuable, they're not just gonna pave it over to some giant lot. So if you go up in like the northeast or something, or God help you, LA, it's like you gotta be parked pretty early, or or and there's a ban on uh private rest areas. So a rest area in the US, you know, you just pull off and it's right there. In the US, there's a ban, those are all public. So you can't make a private rest area, you have to do it off of an exit ramp off the interstate. So you that's where you can put your truck stop and stuff. So that keeps all that cheap land that's on the interstate that you could theoretically just put a quick on, quick off gas station or something that's banned because the towns that that live off that income, you know, lobby the government to, you know, they don't want people building cheap truck stops or gas stations, so they lobby it to keep it that way to keep a moat around their business, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:45

And so you can and so and so there aren't like rest stops, like like public ones on like um any roads that aren't interstates. Is that what you're saying also?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:58

Uh rest rest areas made by the government are pretty only on interstates, only on interstates.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:04

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:04

And they're not around major cities either. I mean, they're they're kind of out in the boonies, and you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:11

I know, I know like here in Oregon. I don't know if it's like how it is everywhere, there's like one and but I mean there's also like only one interstate that goes through, you know, but it's like every county has like one rest stop on I5. You know, and so you have like you know, you you have to like go through whatever county to get you know from one rest stop to the next rest stop. I don't know. But it but it's interesting because because I've never seen I've definitely never seen one on like a state highway or on like uh you know any kind of like federal road that wasn't an interstate.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

Yeah, no, they're they're they're only they're only on interstate rest areas.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:57

That's that it's really interesting, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:02

Yeah. One question I always get people is how many lot lizards did you see out there, you know, prostitutes. You see a few, um, but it's it's nowhere near. I I believe in the 90s it was really bad. Um, and and they really did away with a lot of that. They did away with a lot of drugs. You know, guys used to um they always talked about like meth-soaked toothpicks or like amphetamine-soaked toothpicks they would keep in their hat and pop in, and that way they could dry. You know, pilots do that too. Pilots take amphetamines, um but it uh no, it definitely gets dangerous to drive because I've you know, and you hear stories about this. I've I've hallucinated driving so long. Like if you're 15 hours into a drive and you've been driving since like 6 a.m. or whatever, and it's like fucking 2 a.m. and you've been driving all day and it's dark, you'll see it's the craziest thing. You'll look to the side of the road and you'll think there's just a big pit, like a gateway to hell, or so like it just looks like a pit, or you'll think there's a wall on the interstate or something, and you'll you'll you'll freak out, you'll tense up, or like slam on the brakes, or sometimes too, you can even see it in front of not as much anymore, but like in front of overpasses that go over the interstate, you'll see skid marks from a semi, and that's what that is. That's guys driving, thinking there's a fucking wall in front of them and going, Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:22

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:24

No, it can't if you don't, if you're gonna do that, if you're gonna drive a lot, I drunk a lot of coffee, but you need some sort of uh you need something to pep you up for sure. Otherwise, you'll hallucinate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:38

Did were you ever on those those like yellow jacket things that I I remember back in like the 90s and the 2000s, they used to sell them in the gas stations, and I'd be like, Well, those things look gnarly.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:50

No, they they definitely had some, especially the shadier truck stops, they would have like a whole thing of energy pills, five-hour energy boner pills, whatever. A lot of those, a lot of those uh mom and pop truck stops, like Smoky in the Bandit era, like you'd have a truck stop, a motel, you know, they'd sell them porno mags and knives, and a lot of those are going away. They're getting bought out by pilot, flying J, TA Petro, and and they're just becoming um, you know, part of the monopolies, you know. You you got monopolies, and then and then they got fuel rewards. So if like you're a small company, you get 10 20 cent fuel discounts. So now your drivers don't go to these small truck stops, so their business gets even worse. And I mean, we're seeing a real takeover. Man, we're really off topic. I I apologize.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:38

That's actually really interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:39

Oh, good, good, oh good.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:41

Oh good.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:42

Yeah, it's cool, but it's cool, but I mean, like those are all things, you know, like, you know, that um, you know, create these like uh ripple effects, you know, uh economically and you know, socially, and things like that, of like, you know, how things get transported and like what adds, you know, or takes away, you know, uh you know, money to like the bottom line of whatever you're buying or how it gets on the shelves of wherever you are. I mean, that's it's really interesting, really important. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:14

Yeah, it's only a matter of time before it's all autonomous, autonomous trucks out there, and you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:22

Well, right. I mean, like the the you know, already like all of these EVs, like the Teslas and stuff are you know, self-driving. They let that happen now, you know, and and like the Waymo's, like it, you know. I don't know if you guys have those or in cities that you've been to, like the self-driving, like you've seen them. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. You go down to San Francisco, and it's like every other you know car on the road is a Waymo, and you know, really oh dude, there's like thousands of them. It is so scary to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

Really?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:49

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's nuts.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:51

Well, that's the tech epicenter there.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:53

Well, and yeah, and um now um it's become like so popular that it's actually like out. Paced um like Lyft and Uber. And uh it's you know, so like a lot of people in San Francisco, that was their job, and they would come in from like all over you know the the area. People would like drive in, you know, from like Sacramento or like places like that, and like just drive for a couple of days and like sleep in their car. And you know, that was like their job. They'd be on, you know, like drive around you know, Uber for San Francisco for like two, three days a week, and like now everybody's just using these Waymos, and people are like completely out of their jobs, and you know, they're you're gonna use it for like food delivery. They got like food delivery robots now.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:37

I've seen those are people that that fuck with them, like get something in their way or try to steal the food or something. I've heard about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:45

Oh man, like we gotta fix like the homeless problem first before you have like guys like in the crime problem before you you got little R2 D2 pussy little things dicking around there, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:59

See see you say that, but but they have they have like robot in like in downtown Portland, they have like robot security guard, like not even joking, dude. Like robots that roll around like patrol robots.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

Okay, are they those big egg-looking things?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:17

They're kind of egg-shaped, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

Oh, those fucking big from Fallout. Oh my god. Okay. Interesting. That's my yeah. I mean see, I'm like, well, Hadzburg, you don't live in a in a big city, but you you're you're always in bigger cities. Um Adam, I forget where where you're located, but are you in like a big city? Because I'm I'm in like okay, because I don't see any of this this crazy tech yet myself. Um like we have very few Teslas in town, like two or three cyber trucks. Um so like we're still pretty behind uh in that regard. Um hearing the trailer park boys theme right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:07

But yeah, it's not that bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

Easy. Let's take it easy. Let's calm it down, guys. Let's calm it down.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:21

Yeah, but but but like but but you know, to Adam's point, like, yeah, I mean, it's not gonna be long, right? Before you know the self-driving, you know, trucks and eventually they're gonna be like, yeah, you know, the insurance data shows that like they get in fewer accidents than you know, regular drivers. So regular drivers are gonna be human drivers are gonna be illegal. Like that's yeah, seems to me like that's where that goes.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:43

Well, that's that's true. They are safer, and you know, a lot of traffic problems. Like now they're sitting now.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:49

If you trust that the data is true, I mean a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:54

Sorry, I was just gonna say I I've seen some really horror show articles about like essentially these driverless vehicles kidnapping people and not letting them out. It does crash. There's a threat outside, and you know, no, not even a threat.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:11

No, not no, not even like not even a threat.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:14

Like I read an article, these people, I think there were two or three of them in the car, they thought they were headed to their location. All of a sudden they realized, okay, we're not headed to our location, and then the car was stopping, it wouldn't let them out, and it was just taking them on a ride, and they started they got really freaked out.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:30

Yeah, that that happens all the time. Yeah, and my aunt and uncle live in San Francisco, and they and they're like holding and they're like boomers, they're you know, like 80 years old, and they think that these Waymo's are cool. And and they're like, they're like, Yeah, you know, you don't have to like have uh a driver that's gonna be chatty or smells bad or plays you know loud music, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:52

You don't want to smell the Uber driver.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:54

I mean, it's and it's true, and this is what happens. So, you know, they're like they're like, Yeah, you know, we always take the Waymo's, but it won't take us to our building. It drops us off across the street on you know on the other side of the street, right? You know, because it's just like however it's like navigation, like it will not, it will not take them to the building that they live in. And it just stops where it stops and is like, this is the end of your ride. They also had it where like it was um, you know, they there were like three or four of them in in the car, and um, you know, like the middle seat belt in the back was like buried under the seat, and the car just stopped. And you know, it's like, you know, we're not moving until whoever it is in the back seat buckles up, and they're like, you know, they had to like call some kind of like you know, support center, which was probably like an AI thing, anyways, and be like, be like, we cannot pull the seatbelt out, you know, we're stuck right now, you know. So, like this kind of stuff does happen where it's like you know, you think that it's like practical in uh whatever ways, but like there there are certain elements where it's like you know, totally unpredictable, you know. So I and I know that like directly from them. They have they always try to get me when I go visit, and they're always like, Oh, let's take away my I've I've refuse. They make fun of me for it, but I've refuse.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:15

Fair enough, man. They make fun of you, you got these boomers making fun of you, just lighting you up, eh? That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:23

Have you have you noticed there's a few things I've noticed with older people is like number one, they can't tell the difference between AI and reality, like they share these AI posts. Number two, they're constantly getting their Facebook accounts hacked. Yeah, what is that? Like, why are there so many hackers out there obsessed with cracking, you know, Gam Gam's Facebook account?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:42

Yeah, because they'll see these like you know things. Um, like somebody sends them a message that like you or I would look at and you'd be like, Oh, that's hacked. I'm not gonna open up that message, but they open it up because like any like contact, they're like, Oh, somebody cared enough to message me. Oh, oh yeah, my dad, my dad gets his Facebook account hacked constantly. I won't open any message, you know, that comes from his account.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:10

That's funny, dude, because he's compromised. My yeah, my mom gets uh hacked quite a bit, like in various ways, and and like she loves the AI stuff, and uh, and uh and at first I was telling her, like, you know, that's fake, you know, that's fake, you know, that's fake, and now she's just like, I know, I just like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:31

And like, she'll be like telling me, like, oh, what do I gotta do for this? And I'm like, it's fucking scam, mom. Like, don't do it, like, don't click on that shit. They didn't like, oh, you gotta wait for the case.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:45

Because, you know, now they're with AI voice uh replication and stuff. Uh, you know, now when it's when it's you know, um Mr. Patel calling and I need you to send me a thousand dollars in Bitcoin, you know, most people can identify that as a scam, but if they can replicate the voice of your grandson or your son and be like, mom, I I'm in a lot of trouble right now. I need help. I need you to do this. That's gonna be the new scam that that's gonna start going around. I don't know if it's already smart.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

It is, oh, it's oh, and not only will it not only will it scan their voice, it will, I would presume at some point, it would probably, unless you can already get this kind of shit, it would scan all the calls with that person so they know how you how they talk, how they speak, how they interact with you, how you interact with them. So it could be, yeah, it could not only oh, not only does it sound like them, like it feels like them, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:42

And it could become so and they don't and and they can like you know, let's just say if somebody can like clone your phone or like get into your like phone's data and you know mute program and AI to use just like your phone calls, you know, or or whatever, like it's that easy, but yeah, dude, like I have heard of a lot of these things already happening where people are like people are like grandma, I was in an accident. I need you to like you know send this money like here, like I'm in jail, you know, like like this is happening for real. And so like with my family, um, you we have like a safe word, like a like a password. Where if any where if anybody like gets a call from any one of us and it sounds weird and it's like asking, you know, like I'm in trouble, or it's asking for money, you know, you'd be like, well, what's like the the password? You know, give give us the like the password, and you know, we all have it, and it's you know, so I would really recommend everybody like consider doing that with their like you know, closest you know, family and you know, loved.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:46

I agree. That's a great tip. Everyone go with that because that's a good one.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:52

I'm gonna uh talk to my mom when she gets back from Arizona, and and and when you do it, like when you decide what it is, don't like talk about it over the phone, like determine it in person, shut your phone off or put it in like other places and be like, you know, have like an in-person meeting, you know, with your family, with your loved ones, and be like, this is our our safe word, and you know, make sure that it's not like something that you know it is like in range of any like devices that that could, you know, like hear that. So that's like the kind of like level you gotta get to to think about. Um, but but yeah, that's that's like the only way that we can authenticate, you know, it you know, what's what's really happening, you know, with with each other, because that these um these scams are like that's really happening, yeah for for real. Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:40

Well, and that just you know, AI is just kind of I feel like distorting reality a bit. And we're seeing that a little bit now, but it's like I don't want to say half the things that you see on X, but there's a lot of shit on X that's just AI, it's fake, it's you know, misinformation, disinformation. But AI is gonna make that worse to where you're not gonna trust what you're seeing. And right now the AI detectors are, you know, they can tell you it's kind of like an arms race. The detectors get better and the AI gets better. Eventually it's gonna be so good that they're not gonna be able to detect what's AI and what's fake. And then you get into, you know, I was reading about this. The possible fix for this is some sort of like chain of custody for every piece of media that's like almost like blockchain technology that, you know, you post it, you verify it, and then it can be traced back. But we're gonna have to get something like that because otherwise, how how are if they can make something that's so good that looks like it came from a camera, how could you trust anything that you see or hear on a digital screen?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:45

And and like to do that, to like actually verify and like validate that stuff, what does it require? A digital ID. You know, so that's that when you talk about like your beast system, like at some point to like to get to that point, you have to have like a digital ID. You have to have like some, you know, like verification that somebody is who they are, and otherwise you're shut out from the system. So I think that that's the you know, like the AI uh verification is a really big part of it. I think another part of it that they're using now is like this child safety stuff, you know, they're like, oh, you know, we have to verify that people are X, you know, age as an adult to be able to get you know onto these like online things, and you're like, well, that's good because you want to protect kids from like being exposed to like you know messed up stuff. And then you're also like, well, that's like you know, protecting the children, that's the ultimate pretext to get people to like go along with with something like that to where they'd be like, Yes, uh now I will like accept that mark of the beast or whatever, you know, in my digital ID, you know. Um, and uh and ultimately, um, well, anyways, uh you know, it it it you know it goes like so so many places, but yeah, like in order to verify like that anything is real or that like it's coming from like a trusted source, you have to be like verified and you know, use your like government ID to like you know be like I you know, I I have a government ID, therefore I can be like online and you know, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:18

Yeah, that sucks because you know, online in the early days, you know, mid-2000s was it a big thing of it was you were anonymous, you know, you're on like 4chan or whatever, you know, it people really had a uh sense that if you were online, you didn't have to show who you really were. Now it's like flipping. Now it's like people are saying, well, it's dangerous to have people that are anonymous online. And, you know, like you said, they want to verify with your ID, and and it's it's uses the guise of safety and and not having children come on the internet. And I think that's kind of just people's mentality is they want to treat the state like they're nanny. They they want they want the government to provide that safety rather than taking accountability as a parent and saying, I'm gonna make sure my child doesn't do this. No, it's the government's job to regulate this industry because I'm doing a bad job as a parent.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:10

Well, you know, and and that's true. And also like it's one of these things where you know, you're kind we're we're all kind of fucked as far as that goes, because it's like, you know, you can regulate your kids to to whatever degree, but you can't regulate what's going on when they're not at home and when they're around other people's kids, you know what I mean? And so it's like, you know, you could be the best parent in the world with the best intentions, but if your kids like, you know, go to school or have a social life and they're you know interacting with other kids that have these devices, like all bets are off. Like, you know, some somebody's gonna get and and like that's the rub, and that's like how you know, like how they get people to to just kind of kind of say, like, okay, well, you know, we'll do whatever we can, you know, because kids will never be safe, you know, any other way. Yeah, you know, I've noticed. And it is messed up. Like, if if you're a parent, like you know, like you could be the best parent in the world, and you still like can't protect your kids, and that's true.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:07

Yeah, I noticed there's a big push uh to like vilify Roblox now. Like uh Sean Ryan came out and he's done like several episodes about how evil Roblox is, and it's like, okay, maybe that stuff's there. I mean, I've played Roblox before, I've my kids played it, you know, and it's it it's a lot of uh I don't know what the the word there's a word for this phenomenon, but you're much more likely to die in a car crash or your child is than they are from like getting kidnapped or something. But you don't worry about every time you go in a car, you don't think, oh my god, you know, I gotta protect my kid or whatever. But if they like go for a walk or go out on a bike ride, people are like, ah, but it's like really if you're gonna be worried about them walking around or whatever, you should be more worried about being in the car. And I think it's the same thing for that stuff online. It's like, yes, stuff does happen and there are stories that you can cherry pick, but you know, really there's there's bigger, there's bigger threats, there's bigger fish to fry than you know, if they if you just have a simple conversation with your kid. Most kids, I've got a 10-year-old, and he's pretty digitally conscious. He's from a young age told them, don't tell anyone your address, don't tell anyone your name. His friends are like that too. Uh he'll be on the on on a uh play in like Fortnite with someone that he's played with for years that's lives in a different state, and they'll still be like, I'm not telling you where I live, I'm not telling you what city I'm in. I mean, most children are pretty digitally conscious. Um, so I I think a lot of that safety stuff is, you know, yes, you have a few examples of, oh, look what happened here, but it's like you don't hear about the tens of millions of times where that didn't happen.

unknown 1:21:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:48

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:49

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:51

But I mean, but there are like and maybe it maybe not like specific to to Roblox and maybe not even specific to like such young people, but there are like enough bad actors and even like you know, let's say like um, you know, people from like in inside of the government and things like that that do use like social media and and stuff to like infiltrate with real people and to, you know, I mean, like who knows? I mean, I'm sure that in in my little like Twitter feed verse, not only are there like you know, people that are you know from whatever intelligence agencies, you know, or whatever that are like interacting with me, but probably like a significant portion of them aren't even people, you know. Like how many how many of these like accounts are not people and are AI and have been for a long time before we knew that you know AI was even like developed to having those abilities.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:48

Well, do you remember when X added that feature where it showed where the accounts were based? That was like a few months ago, and all of a sudden people are like pulling up like that. There was something like the the secretary, the homeland security official X account was based like created in Israel. But there was a whole bunch of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:08

People people uh saw do you do you have do you have to have the blue check to to see that? Because I don't think I can see those. I've seen people like you.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:18

You just go on their um click on their profile and it'll tell you account based and wherever oh really has been around. Yeah, just click on someone's profile. Okay, it'll tell it'll tell you the country of origin. I believe I have a blue check.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:30

I haven't seen it without uh say I don't I don't have a blue check and I've never I've never seen it pop up, but I've seen screenshots of from other people, you know, showing that.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:39

Oh yeah, you you might you might have to have the blue check. Elon likes to put little crumbs like that in there to incentivize you to send them your eight dollars. Yep. For sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:50

Um, you know, and they're and they're always oh they're always trying to send me messages like, oh, don't don't you want you know to upgrade and get that blue check? And come on, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:04

Well, it is so you can't do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:07

You get you get grok, you get like a grok premium, and you get like video. So I use a lot of the image generation and stuff for videos, and I mean it's I I've the next tier up is$40, and you get like a really big reply boost, um, which I've used the my account to promote my YouTube. So I've been thinking about that, but I mean$40 a month is pretty steep for a it's super steep to get some yeah, and and who knows how like how many people are using that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:40

And how many people are using that? So how how how many people are you already competing with that are getting their things boosted? So I don't know. Seems like I don't know if the incentive incentive is really there. Uh maybe it's not in the way that they're they're saying, like, I don't know. Seems pretty steep. Seems pretty steep.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:02

Well, so the re what the big reason I wanted it too was because you get much you get a better image generation. So the images I generate are kind of uh Pixar and digital animation looking. You can get a more realistic image generation and you get almost unlimited video generation. And if you go on any of the other major AI sites, just for that capacity alone, it's like 20 or 30 bucks a month. So it's almost worth it if you just can. I've thought about doing like complete AI videos, shorts, you know, it'll generate eight-second clips for you, and you can generate real people, you know, you could generate Donald Trump doing whatever. So I've I've thought about it just for that, too, to to make funny shorts or fuck you could even make a movie, you know. You could you could do it scene by scene and you could make an entire movie. I actually think that that capacity of AI to make movies will bring back a lot of the great movies that we remember from kids, you know, like um uh The Hangover or uh Super Bad, you know, these great comedies that you just don't make anymore because of the the PC kind of culture. I think AI's gonna bring a lot of that cool shit back. That raunchier comedy that just can't make it through big studio, you know, approval meetings.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:17

I don't know how I feel. I don't I don't know how I yeah, I don't know how I feel about like enjoying getting into something that's just not real people. Like I love like what if I play a video game, I really enjoy a story. But at least I know these are real people. Like The Last of Us, for example, they do a great job. It's almost like a movie, and then they made the series and they totally fucked it up because they went all PC and woke. But anyways, really if it's all if it's like fake robots, if it's just generated people and the voices are robots and it's all fake, like I don't like I don't know. I guess I would have to put my foot in the water and and see how it feels and just kind of get used to that. That'd be different for me, I feel. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:07

Well, they just came out, um, you know, this was I don't know, probably this was probably like a year ago or two years ago, where someone was building a movie set. They were gonna make a s a new movie studio and they were spending like a hundred million or a hundred and fifty million. It was a famous actor, it's like Chris Tucker or someone, and they stopped it because of the they saw what AI could do. So, I mean, if you look at like like what goes into those movies, they have those huge, they have those huge barns and they they construct the sets and the cost. I mean, it's so expensive.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:37

It was uh what it was what's his name, the the guy who makes those um Medea, what's his name?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:43

Tyler Perry.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:44

Tyler Perry, that's who it was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:47

Medea makes a movie studio.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I mean so so so so no, so it's it's really interesting because I tend to I tend to like see it the way Jordan does, like, you know, the um, you know, I tend to to feel like there's There's so much art that that goes into you know like making a movie. Um, you know, that like the human element is really important. And you're right, Adam, like that it actually does level the like to the degree that that like you know, the way that that that you you know um said it, like makes a lot of sense to me too. It levels the playing field. That anybody can like make a like a feature movie without like having millions of dollars as a budget, you know, then it's just a matter of like how do you distribute it, how would people see it? I mean, that's that's actually a point that I that I like hadn't really thought of, you know, that you could you know make stuff that like you know has content that that wouldn't be approved by you know like the you know the gatekeepers.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:43

So there's that and then there's there's the fact that streaming services have devastated the movie industry. I mean people don't go I mean think about the 1940s, people went to the movies and they you generate m money at the box office, and then once the movies released, they would generate money from VHS or DVD sales. Nobody buys DVDs anymore. So, and I actually I forget who was talking about this. There was somebody in the movie industry, they were talking about how that's why all the movies today are just complete shit because they it's really hard for them to make their money, and then you got Netflix and Hulu pumping out these um in-house made productions. That that's why I really do think I I do take your guys' point about the taking the human element out, and you're just watching uh you know hallucinated pixels on a screen. But I I I think the quality of movies has gone down so badly in the like the last 10 years that I I anticipate a revival with AI. Yeah, I mean, when's the last time Pulp Fiction or Fight Club, or when was the last time a really awesome cult classic was made?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:51

Last year, Eddington, amazing movie, dude. Like Ab Eddington, if you haven't seen it, like it's it is like an absolutely insanely good movie, and it came out in 2025.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:06

I'll have to check that out.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:07

Oh dude, you have to check it out. Like I, you know, I was I was blown away. I was like, I I couldn't believe that a movie that good, you know, was made that recently.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:16

Yeah. Well, most of them you look at it's like superhero sequels, Spider-Man 25, or or um just they just keep milking, they just keep milking already existing series into part three or or remaking movies from the 80s or mid-nin. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:35

Or even Star Wars movies.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:39

Yeah, remaking remakes. Yeah, yeah. No, Adam, I I I I I turned Jordan on to Eddington a couple months ago, like and and I'm dude, you should like tonight, if you have time, like chill out, like rolling and and watch watch Eddington, dude. Like, you will not believe how good it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:00

I'll check it out. I'll have to torrent it before I get most of my stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:05

I uh out of my torrent. But quick question. Have you guys seen for both of you? Um have you guys seen um either Blink Twice or Under the Silver Lake? Have you guys seen those?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:26

Under the Silver Lake, I have it's a good movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:29

I haven't seen either of those. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:30

Under the Silver Lake's a good movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:33

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:35

Do you like it?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:36

Okay, I'm I recommend both of them. I'm gonna be watching them. Um and and William Ramsey. I haven't seen them yet. I I'm I but they look they both look wild. I had William Ramsay gone talking about Blink twice, and I watched a video uh a little bit about Under the Silver Lake, but I had to turn it off because I was like, holy shit, like I gotta watch this. But uh Ramsey's gonna come back and talk. We're gonna do an episode and focus on both movies. So I don't know when that's that's gonna be. But if you guys are interested in that, watch the movies and maybe we can uh yeah, we can make something happen with that. Blink twice.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:11

Blink twice, I don't know, but under this overlake is like definitely like a game. Well, guys, this was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:16

We went a little off topic, but it was so uh yeah, Adam, before Jordan, you're you're breaking up really bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:35

Yeah, you're you're you're in glitch mode, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:38

Okay, yeah. Well, I think he's trying to wrap it up. Um I'll just I'll say my my goodbyes. I'm Adam from the truth desk.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:45

No, they can find you, Adam.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:47

And uh just YouTube.com slash at the truth desk. Um got a lot of great stuff out there. Um and uh yeah, check Jordan out for those of you on my channel. He's Divulgence Podcast, uh YouTube.com slash divulgence. He talks about a lot of really cool stuff. Um, I've watched a few of your episodes and I really enjoy them.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:06

So all right, I'll see you later, guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:16

Thanks, Adam.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:17

Yep. See ya, see ya, Habsburg.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:19

Yeah, dude. Let's connect soon.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:21

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:22

Yeah, that was fun. Um, yeah, I'll I'll do my little thing. Um, just Habsburg, Jolly West.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:28

Um sorry, I don't know if you guys can hear me.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:32

Jordan, you're you're you're off in glitch world over there, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:36

What's happening?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:36

No, you're good. Um, Habsburg Jolly West, um at accountable to me on Twitter, and uh, you know, I'm regular um co-pilot with Jordan on the divulgent show. So appreciate having me on. I like the this actually like I thought this was really fun, you know, just to kind of like shoot the breeze. Like uh that was a fun conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:58

Can you hear me now?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:02

Okay, okay, cool, cool. Okay, sorry for the little glitch there at the end. I don't know what's happening. We're getting a little we'll wrap it up though, so we don't have any more issues. Um check us out. Um well I gave you everyone the schedule last time, so uh we got a lot of great shows coming up. So uh please tune in and like Hadsburg said uh uh subscribe to Divulgence, YouTube, Rumble, SciFi anywhere you get your podcasts. And we will wrap it up. Sorry, we're still and do do