#127: FACTORY RESET, Epstein, Gino Yu, Human Replacement w/ Courtenay Turner

We welcome back researcher and author Courtenay Turner! We discuss ancient Greece and philosophy, Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein files/emails, being vs becoming types of humans, 'resetting' humans, Project Stargate (and Stargate the movie), Elon Musk, ancient Egypt, what Epstein was funding and trying to do with consciousness, complexity science, Santa Fe Institute, Game B, Lawnmower Man, Peter Thiel, Martine Rothblatt, technocracy, human cloning, MAGA/MAHA/MABA, Make America High Again, internet bodies, Brett and Eric Weinstein, PTSD and shell shock. Joe Rogan, aliens and UFOs, and more!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:01

Hey and welcome back to Divulgence, everybody. Here today, uh, me and my co-host Asborough Jolly West, we have uh returning guest who uh frankly we uh we just love her so much. We enjoy uh her work, we enjoy uh conversing with her, and uh we're very happy to have her back. Uh author, researcher, Courtney Turner. Courtney, how are you? So happy to have you back.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Well, thanks. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_04 0:29

So uh like I said, we we love your work, and we were talking kind of off the show that you know you you just pump out a lot of wonderful stuff. And recently, um I'm gonna pull it up right now. Actually, you have a uh somewhat newer one entitled The Factory Reset. I think uh did you say it's part it's gonna be a five-part series?

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Uh I guess seven, because I've already started to outline a five-part sequel, which I think I have. I don't know, it might be like a ten-part series. It's gonna be very long.

SPEAKER_04 1:03

That's a possible as well. For those watching, this is the article that we're gonna be uh she'll be referencing and contain the topics that we're talking about today. Um, so where would you uh where's the best place to start with this, Courtney? Uh obviously there's a lot of different uh intersecting topics. So uh you start the ball rolling, my friend, please.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Sure. Uh well I don't know where where you want to start with this. I mean, this is so I took obviously the most uh salacious aspect of this was uh Professor Gino Yu, right? He was uh in the Epstein file 548 times, which if you break down the math over the past over the four years that they conversed would be something like every two, three days. Uh yeah, it's a lot of communication, right? Uh I mean I don't talk to some of my best friends that often or my colleagues, right? Uh that's a lot of communication. When you read it, I mean, the the you know, just discourse back and forth is a lot of logistical stuff. It's a lot of uh Gino kind of telling him where he'll be. And uh the way I read that is it's uh kind of him signaling uh like social clout, uh, that we're peers, I'm on your level, uh, that sort of, you know, I'm at this this conference, you know, in Germany, the you know, Davos, the those kinds of events. And I think it was this way of kind of signaling uh for leverage uh social clout. And uh but there was a very interesting line in there where uh he says something like they're talking referencing uh them being Asperger's, and he says, you know, we're not crazy, we're geniuses. And uh right, I I thought that that was quite intriguing. And he talks about how he wants to set up uh, you know, a facility where they can be uh studied and developed. Uh so essentially I I think what was going on, and that my whole thesis through this is that there's a a and a lot of people misread this. I think people who don't actually read, to be really honest, you know, I you put like I've I'll put the kind of cliff notes up on Twitter or I'll put a note up on Substack, uh because otherwise, you know, you might not know it's there. So it's really just for those who might be interested to look at to to get more, right? Uh like a commercial, if you will. Uh, I don't want to put it quite in those terms. It's uh, but you know, it's it's for it's a preview. It's like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh here's where you can read the rest. And uh uh, as you've seen, it's quite long. I mean, I think somebody told me they tried to print it out. It's over a hundred and it's almost like 150 pages. So it's like a mini book. This isn't you know a cliff of anything. Um, but yeah, so I think when people don't read it, the impression they get is that I'm trying to say that there is like, you know, a puppet master who's coordinated and orchestrated this big plan. That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is there is there are plans, there's several plans, and I outline them. Uh, there are shared funding networks. Uh, you know, I go through a whole uh methodology uh in the beginning of this essay, explaining that there's various types of evidence, they should not all be weighed the same. Uh, and then some things are my own personal inferences, and you know, those are for you to consider and you know, take them, leave them, you know, maybe you agree, maybe you don't agree. Uh, but those are my analyses. So I do try and be very clear about those distinctions. However, there are funded, coordinated plans, agendas, and they're very explicit, they are very clearly laid out. Uh, then there's also shared philosophies, ideologies, uh, worldviews. And really, that was the crux of what I was addressing. So the philosophical spine of the debate that I lay out here is, you know, going back uh two and a half millennia to Heraclitus and Parmenides. And so for those who aren't familiar with ancient Greek philosophy, this is pre-Socratic philosophy. We have uh Parmenides who believe that you know there's things have fixed natures, that you know, they're uh they're there's fixed nature, things have a uh inherent kind of a telos. And then there is Heraclitus, who is famous for saying you can never step into the same river twice, uh, because everything's always in flux, uh, everything's always changing, and so are you. And essentially what this sets up is a philosophical debate that goes back two and a half millennia between the being versus becoming. And so my argument is that this is really when we fast forward today, it becomes so integral to the future of humanity, uh the existence of humanity, because it is the backbone for the entire philosophy behind transhumanism and technocracy is the becoming. So if human beings have a fixed nature, and of course, through Parmenides, this idea that things are have a fixed nature, there is a given nature, and there's a given order to things, and there's an intrinsic uh telos purpose to things. Uh, that of course was then codified through Aristotle, uh, you know, in particularly through his hylomorphism. He uh again should give the Clyphnos for people. This is really Cliffnose. So I encourage you to read the article or you should to read the the philosophers themselves. You'll get a much uh deeper, but I can't uh give you thousands of pages of uh analyses in uh a few sentences. So I'll do my best that this is you know breaking watering it down for you. But essentially, uh Aristotle had a concept called hylomorphism, so uh where he differed from Plato, and I put Plato, I did a whole diagram where I put the being and the becoming, and I put Plato on the becoming because essentially he is the precursor to the uh the uh sorry, the the uh Neoplatonists, and then you know, I I call him a proto-Gnostic, honestly. Uh, and I I've written extensively about why I say that. I can't call him a Gnostic because it's proto-Gnosticism. But yeah, so there is uh my little uh graphic. Uh, and then in my Technocratic Creed one, I made an even longer one. I think I had 14 on both sides, uh, which is still not exhaustive, but it gives you a really good sense. And I do put Plato on the becoming because it he sets up the tone for uh, you know, a um Neoplatonic emanation where you know the real is in the ideal forms and it's all about ascension, right? He had his whole analogy of the the the cave and the divided line. And so, of course, the uh you know, the intelligible realm versus the unintelligible realm and everything that was uh above the the divided line was what was real. That's where you know the philosopher kings who had acquired the noesis, uh that that's the the knowledge that they they had ascended to. And that's essentially, you know, I did an article on this too, where uh there it's just that those are the people who today tell you they're the experts, right? They they've asserted themselves, they're at the top of Plato's divided line, and you're uh in the doxa realm, just staring at the the shadows on the cave on the cave, on the wall of the cave. And so what Aristotle did was he just he came up with this concept called hylomorphism, which is a hybrid. Essentially, it doesn't say that you know only the here and now, it does not deny the transcendent. It says that the here and now, the physical domain, our senses can give us insights into the transcendent. But essentially, things do have a fixed nature. Uh, things are the being is uh your telos, your purpose. So all of us have a fixed nature and we have a purpose being here. Uh, the concept of udemonia is where we get the notion of human flourishing, which is uh part of that line in the Declaration of Independence. And that this actually really does come from Aristotle. Uh so the idea that we have inalienable rights and that we were endowed by our creator, uh, with the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So that line, pursuit of happiness, was actually debated because initially it was a much longer uh, you know, coming from the Declaration of Virginia, which was uh encompassed the private property and a couple of other uh things. I don't remember it verbatim, but uh essentially it was a much more Lockean kind of strain. And it was Madison who insisted that it be changed, and he was trained by uh Witherspoon, who was a Scottish common sense realist who uh philosopher who uh and professor at Princeton who uh was inspired by Aristotle. And the concept of Udemonia is this notion of human flourishing towards virtue, and so that is that implies that we as human beings have a fixed nature and we have a purpose, we have a telos, and that is to uh that is that we are wired for human flourishing towards virtue. Uh so little, that's uh essentially the philosophical spine that I set up there. And if we have a fixed being, if we are a Mago Dei made in the image of God with a uh fixed nature and a uh intrinsic telos, then we cannot be rewritten as managed code. We are we are human beings and there is something unique in that, and we have a soul and we have a purpose, and we cannot, we have inalienable rights, we cannot be managed no's. If we are becoming, which is essentially this other side, uh, which is the through line for the uh technocratic and uh transhuman agenda, it's this idea that we were evolving, we can become, we you know, we we're we don't have a fixed nature and we are we can be managed nodes, we can be uh made into something else. And now I I don't want to put a judgment on this. Obviously, I have my own uh personal uh belief. And I I do believe in the being framework, and I do believe we are Imago Dei, made in the image of God. That's my personal belief. However, I I would say that a lot of the people on the becoming uh you know aren't necessarily inherently evil, maniacal people, right? They they might believe that this is the next iteration of evolution, they believe that we're they're helping humanity to get to the next stage. The problem, in my estimation, is that if that is your worldview, then human beings can become rewritten. They can essentially, that's why I called it the factory reset. And so, yeah, so I trace, so that's the philosophical spine of what I was writing through here. And uh, you know, I do touch on the Macy Foundation, the uh, you know, which is the uh advent of cybernetics, and that's really important. Uh, and we and I go backwards in the future articles on that. Um, but I only focus on that because that's the essentially that is the uh institutionalization of this cybernetic organism they're trying to create, but that comes out of this idea of us becoming, right? That's what we're gonna evolve into. They call it the super organism of humanity. Um, and uh, but I essentially talk about the um changing images of man document as being this uh in like official kind of manuscript that lays out this blueprint, and they're very explicit in it. I mean, they they say the whole purpose is to change the image of man, right? Uh and this was not like a uh fringe kind of uh a document. This was done by Stanford Research Institute. Uh, this was uh Willis Harmon, who's uh chairman two decades of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. This was also, I would say, the public-facing uh you know, study of the uh intelligence uh project that was going on around the same time, which was Project Stargate. And many people might be familiar, right? Project Stargate with the headline was that the uh uh remote viewers were gonna help us win the Cold War, essentially, right? We were gonna spy on the Soviet Marines and uh that somehow that was gonna um you know be our uh smoking gun. But um that they but the big problem they had there was that they couldn't scale it. Uh so essentially they were able to find a couple of you know savants who may have gift been gifted uh or at least exhibited some sort of uh special talents, which is what you know, the special abilities is what Gino U calls them and Epstein calls them. And uh my thesis is essentially that that's what Gino U was selling to Epstein. He was selling the scaling uh capacity for what they could not do in Project Stargate. Um, and I do think that Project Stargate, uh, the 2025 uh version was uh is an extension. Um, you know, not in the same way. It's not necessarily a review remote viewing project, but you know, they're they're funding AI in a very similar kind of capacity. Uh, you know, encompassed in that is all sorts of genomic kind of uh sequencing and data collection. Uh so it it does seem like it's very much an extension of this same, you know. We we've got uh Elon Musk patented telekinesis and uh telepathy uh for his uh um you know neural link. I I don't think that's a coincidence.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Yeah. I'm sorry to interrupt, but that that's something really interesting since you mentioned Elon Musk, because in the article you're talking about um, you know, like the the name the namesake for for Project Stargate was the movie Stargate, right? Um and in the movie Stargate, it's like they're going through this portal into this you know other planet where like the um Egyptian gods like exist in real life, like and uh are like managing this this other realm and are able to like come through into our realm. And um I you probably remember like last year uh Elon Musk was being interviewed with I think Jordan Peterson, and he was saying how uh because he built he built the XAI like data center in Memphis, like on the river, and he said, and he says the new god, you know, may come from Memphis, and it's you know, this like you know, uh, you know, reference to ancient Egypt. And uh, you know, it to me there was like when I was reading the article, I was it, I was like, oh right, uh you know, like that's like a big crossover with the the film and where they get the name Stargate from. So I thought about that. Sorry to interrupt, Courtney.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

No, no, no. Uh that's absolutely I I agree. And I I said that in the article that essentially, you know, they they claim that that's where they got the title was from the movie, and uh, but the movie came out of the same milieu, right? It was 1995, which is when Project Stargate ended. So whether that was conscious or not, I mean, I don't know for sure. Um, but either way, you can't deny that the intellectual milieu uh that they were seeped in was Project Stargate.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

So yeah, and the and the the and the Egyptian, you know, mythology I thought was really interesting. Actually, it's a good movie if if you've never seen it.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

Like I haven't, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

I knew that I neither actually, yeah. It's it's a good movie, and and and like I said, you know, it it it it really I keyed in on it was like, oh, it's definitely related with you know the this whole thing with uh Memphis and you know ancient Egypt and Stargate, it's all kind of like you know, symbolically intertwined. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Well, I I mean I remember that interview and uh Elon and uh Jordan Peterson almost had like a maniacal laugh. I I mean they were like, yeah, yeah, it's super scary, like the the capital of Egypt, yeah. Maybe that's where our next golf will come from.

unknown 17:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

And I've been to Colossus, I mean they wouldn't let us in. We tried. Um really? Yeah, we pretended we were just like there and that they were like, no, no, you have to have you know security clearance and whatnot. Um, but it is massive. I mean, talk about these methane uh turbine, like they're they're massive. Uh so I can see why people are really pushing back. It's definitely, you know, we were told that the data centers are somehow going to save the planet, but that that the not saving the planet, I mean they're violating all sorts of clean air acts and uh, you know, using all the fresh drinking water, but yeah, they're huge, it's like blocks long. So, yeah, so that's uh so I think that it was basically he was selling this scaling problem because they were only able to find, you know, a couple of savants and they but they weren't able to train people to do this remote viewing and to scale it. And so Gino Yu was of uh polytechnic you uh Hong Kong professor, video game professor. Uh, but essentially he had this five-stage stage model for consciousness, and his whole uh concept was that he could use video game VR headsets. And there's an email where he says, like, you know, we'll get some uh VR sets for you and the girls. And uh I don't think that he was thinking just like little gift toys, you know, he he's thinking as part of this experiment because they also talked about how I think there was one girl who was able to get to like stage three. Uh so again, they're still having this scaling project uh problem. Um, but the he was saying that that was very hopeful because that meant if you get to stage three, which is where you start to crack through the seams, right? You're starting to uh open up, then possibly that there was hope. And then that one could then teach the others. But really, it was all about getting to stage four, which is ego death. And ego death is of course this Buddhist uh, you know, Virana, uh, I can't pronounce it, but you know, in uh Mayrana uh Buddhism, this idea of like, you know, you you it atana is it? Anatta, anata is what it is, like the idea of a the not-self, the not being. Um, and so you uh go through this ego death uh process and then you essentially become a blank slate, right? And then you can go to the next stage of consciousness, the re-consciousness, and that's stage five. And of course, uh, if you can become a blank slate, they can rewrite you. And this is what the becoming project essentially is, in my estimation. And I think that's what he was selling to Epstein, is through uh using VR technology. And I used an example, uh, you know, I I don't know I for sure, um, but it it the some outlets have uh linked uh the the person to being Gino U. Uh, but it was an example uh that a journalist had given of being uh kind of put through this flow state and essentially hypnotized. And so, you know, saying this person did have the the capacity uh to, I mean, I would say it's kind of brainwashing, but uh, you know, uh her experience was very positive. She said, you know, she had a sudden belief in a higher being, and uh, so you know, she didn't see it as a negative experience, uh, but nonetheless, it is an example of somebody now taking you to a uh, you know, uh a transcendent kind of an experience, um, which is uh tied to these transpersonal kind of experiences, right? That's uh essentially what the changing images of man prof uh project was all about, was changing man's image of himself, and they say it explicitly from the uh traditional Judeo-Christian concept, which would be the Imago Day notion of man, that they were saying that that's exhausted and that's tired, we have to rewrite it. And what I found really interesting in this, because I think this is really what we're seeing come to fruition today, is in the appendix of the Changing Images of Man document, they talk about the spins, which is the segmented polycephalus uh integrated networks. And so essentially they were saying that well, they can't just use like a top down kind of uh mechanism to force people to throw out the concept of a Mago Day, you know. So they they knew that that would be rejected outright. And so the the spins are essentially these decentralized networks. And I I've talked pretty extensively about how the the conduit to the world brain, as HGL said, would be through the decentralized ganglia. And I think that's essentially what this spins is doing in execution. That's what it's executing. But they're integrated. That's the key word, I think, in that you know, it's the eye. They're integrated, right? So uh back then that was uh peer reviews reading each other's papers and you know, shared conferences and networks. And today it's the dialogo space and it's the you know, the podcast spheres and the various conferences and maybe the private networks. Um, but it's also uh through these varias now we're seeing like network state type of apparatus uh that are being uh promoted and uh that are cropping up. So that's I think very much an integral part of it as well. And so you have, although they're decentralized, they're integrated. So it's kind of like Balaji Shurnvalsson's network states, where he says it's decentralized towards a recentralized center. Uh so I think that's kind of the key. And I brought talk about uh today and I bring it to in the next article. I do talk about the um trust foundation quite a bit, but I mention it in this one as well. And uh this is I really haven't heard anybody. I mean, if there's somebody else talking about it, then you know I'd love to see their work, but I really have not heard anybody talk about the trust foundation. And the trust foundation, it was started in 2018, and uh it's kind of been very uh, like I said, uh under other than their own website and the the Dialogo space. I really haven't heard anything about it, but it's predicated on uh Stanley McChrystal's Teams of Teams concept, the human terrain systems. And so this is this idea of these catalytic networks, right? Catalytic communities. And what was uh Epstein doing? It was catalytic funding. And if you think about how much he funded, uh, you know, we don't know exactly how much funding he gave Gino U directly, although Gino U called him his benefactor. So that implies he gave him something, you know. Um, but we do know that he gave Open Cog Ben Kurtzel funding for, you know, on off for 17 years. Um, and it was not a super substantial amount of money. However, what it does is it's catalytic funding. So uh it's like this matching fund kind of apparatus with that unlocked $1.1 million, which for that type of project is decent money, right? Uh, but I think it's also worth noting that so Open COG is an AGI uh project, right? And so that's artificial general intelligence. But there seems to be two schools of this artificial general intelligence that I think is really important to understand because uh the Gertzel and U branch is very different from maybe like the Minsky or Ray Kurzwell. They believe that uh artificial general intelligence is really just about computation. So essentially the you know, the uh kind of consciousness is just about like a computer computing, it's essentially math, right? It's aggregating okay. Um, but then Goertzel and you said no, that conscious it has to be uh uh it's about consciousness. And so they saw it as something much more spiritual and something that so that that's where I think that's very interesting because that's where well, I think that's why FCM is so interested in funding it, because they're trying to figure out what is consciousness and how could that possibly be replicated and then transposed into machines or merged with machines. I don't believe that their project will ever succeed, but I think that that is what they were studying.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Um and it's it's really interesting since you brought it up because actually Jordan and I had um done a show uh maybe a month or so ago that we were talking about, you know, um Epstein, you know, funding like this um like the the conference for the the science of of consciousness that that you mentioned in um your article um and that I didn't realize you know that that G No U was also involved in it through through the University of Arizona. Um and uh and uh this this fellow Stuart Hamroff runs that um and uh and Andrew Weil also. Um but uh they they actually had to cancel that conference uh in in April because everybody that was involved was was getting Epstein's funding. But like, you know, it is uh um you know this this this study of like you know like what consciousness is. I mean this I think that this is like a really, really big part of you know what this this the whole picture is. And I thought you did a really good job, you know, explaining that, but but um I was I couldn't believe it when we were you know looking into the these files, like the degree to which you know they they were like funding all of this research like on consciousness and how it related with anesthesia and all of these different drugs, you know, specifically.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

So yeah, well, uh so uh one of the uh people who was also uh in the correspondence with you know you Epstein was Josh Schabak. Joe Schabak is the he founded the uh Center for Um Machine Consciousness in California, which Jim Rutt is a chair of. And so that was kind of that was another whole part of this, which is why the the Macy Foundation and the uh cybernetics was so important, is because I essentially argue that the Santa Fe Institute is a rebrand of this new age movement. So they took, you know, all of this kind of mystical language, which you know was very much popularized through the Changing Images of Man document, which then became the Aquarian conspiracy, right? That Marilyn Ferguson wrote. She was actually the assistant to Willis Harmon. And uh Willis Harmon, uh, but there's some researchers, which I don't know if it's accurate, I haven't found anything that like really, you know, corroborated it, uh, you know, any hard evidence, but uh some researchers claimed that actually Willis Harmon wrote uh the Aquarian conspiracy and uh that just used Marilyn Ferguson as a pseudonym. Either way, she was his assistant, so it was clearly uh an attempt to popularize the ideas that were in the changing images of man to create this whole new age movement. But the new age movement was you know very much uh recognized and there was a lot of pushback and there was a lot of stigma. And so uh by the time we you know come to 1984, uh they I think they realized they needed some sort of a rebrand, and that was when they uh created this uh Santa Fe Institute. And Santa Fe Institute is all this complexity science, but complexity science is just new jargon around emergence. But if you really look at it, it's the same, it's just a new vocabulary for the same uh you know, new age kind of uh philosophy. It is all becoming, is in the becoming lineage. Um, but interestingly enough, I mean, Epstein does talk quite a bit about the Santa Fe Institute. Uh, in that that uh interview with Bannon that was released, the two hours of the supposed 15 hours. Uh, you know, he talks about Santa Fe repeatedly. And he says how uh, you know, they were studying the um essentially it was because of the new financial system. They were trying to predict the markets. He said it was an epic failure. Uh, and I do think it was an epic epic failure because imagine that human beings cannot be managed. We are uh we do have a fixed nature, and they they were not able to uh just rewrite our code quite as easily as they had potentially wished. Um, but I do he talked about how he set up his Santa Fe uh Zoro Ranch because he wanted to be near the Santa Fe Institute. He wanted to be near uh the essentially it was the um the this the diaspora of the Manhattan Project, right? So only two of the scientists who started the Santa Fe Institute were not part of Los Alamos, which I thought was also really interesting because uh that when you start to look at these names, right? I don't think these names are coincidental, uh, but the Manhattan Project was what Eric Weinstein had named this new economic Manhattan Project, which was kind of the seed meeting for the origins of Game B. And I do think that game B is just an extension of this. Of course, they've now rebranded, um, and I I think in some ways, I think it's partially because of me, um, that they've really I think they've really distanced themselves from it now. Um, I to be fair, there are many it iterations of it, and they have said, you know, like we're on phase three, whatever that is now. And that is fair. Uh they do seem to be, and I've outlined them pretty extensively. Um, I'm very familiar with the the several stages and some of the schisms that happen within uh, but you know, schismogenesis, right? Um, that's uh basin's term for the splinter movements and that essentially perpetuate the dialectic. He doesn't say that, but that's essentially what they do. Um, and I so there there were, and I I do argue actually in this article that there was more of a reconvening than it was really a split. Um, so that doesn't mean that there weren't uh discrepancies within the movement or that people who had different visions within the movement, there very much were. Uh as Jim Rutt says, that there's the people who wanted like institutional civilization reform, uh, and then the people who he calls the more woo-woo movement. Uh, but there's a lot of overlap between the two. And uh there, you know, while they might have had some differences in their visions, over, you know, there were overlaps. And even uh, you know, the Manifest Nirvana, Andrew Cohen's white paper, he essentially says that like the intellectual dark web was like a you know basically a crucible for game B. Uh he he doesn't call it an influence operation, that's that's my term, but uh that that's essentially what he says. And then the intellectual dark web became the intellectual deep web. And uh I I'm of the mindset that it was an intelligence operation from the beginning. The whole woke versus anti-woke movement was intended to be a dialectical uh generator, and then the intellectual deep web was mostly launched by uh David Fuller, who was uh a BBC journalist, which has historically has ties to uh British intelligence. Again, not a smoking gun. I can't prove it. I I will probably never be privy to those documents, but yeah, I mean the Edge Foundation, right? Uh and the Economic Uh Manhattan Project was done at the perimeter institute, founded by uh the Edge Foundation. And it it I don't think that it was a coincidence that they used the term economic Manhattan Project, and that's of course what the uh Santa Fe Institute is essentially, you know, the new uh it's the new economic Manhattan Project that was spawned from scientists from Los Alamos. So uh and then now we have like the Genesis uh mission, which is which they've basically said is the new Manhattan Project. And I I do think they're all kind of connected, it's just rebranding, and we now have AI, which is you know, that's the what what I always say is with these things, it like the concepts don't change, it's the technology that changes. So, right, this idea of the being versus becoming is thousands of years old. This has been the debate since the dawn of Western civilization. That hasn't changed, but what has changed is the technology and what can we do now? So the capacity to literally rewrite human beings is now becoming much more of a reality than it was back then, and to actually create a cybernetic organism, uh, which you know I think would look something like what I described in my proof of persona, um, which is really horrifying. Uh, but there is a patent, is a literal patent, right? The uh it's the 666 patent, 6060606 min Microsoft patent, and uh it essentially is uh body activity data tied to cryptocurrency. And I I do think that that's where they're going. And I think that that's why the Santa Fe Institute and Complexity Science is so integral, uh, because they need to be able to do uh predictive modeling for that type of uh algorithmic um yeah, modeling. So for to create a cybernetic organism, which is gonna be uh the foundation for the new monetary system. I mean, if we if it happens, I I'm it looks like that's where they're going. I mean, I just wrote an article about the DTCC and uh their tokenization project, and we've got Larry Fink and yeah, Howard Lutnik. I mean, the tokenization looks like it's it's definitely moving full steam ahead. Uh the banks are interestingly enough our biggest ally who are pushing back uh because they stand to be wiped out in the process. So I never thought that the banks would be our our biggest allies, but right now they're they're they're our allies. So they're actually the reason why initially in the genius act uh you had the Clarity Act as part of the Genius Act initially, but the bankers pushed back so hard they had to take it out in order to get the genius act passed. And then now they've been trying to pass the Clarity Act and they still haven't been able to. Um, and it's mostly because the banks keep pushing back. So um I hope they're pushing back for the wrong reasons.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

Uh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

I they it's just because of their own profit margins that are going to be wiped out, or potentially because they're going to be wiped out. Uh, but I regardless, I'm very happy they're pushing back because they're creating the off tool that we need. Um, yeah. So I went all over the place. Uh, you can interrupt wherever.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

If you don't mind, there was there's something that that had occurred to me when I was reading the article that I think is is interesting or at least worth mentioning, um that kind of ties in both like um the Stargate um and SRI um with the Santa Fe Institute, at least like geographically, um, you know, I I couldn't help but think about this was that um the Stargate operation, those were like largely Scientologists. Um Ingo Swan and uh Russell Tart, like all of those guys were they were like OT8s, they were they're science, you know, Scientology clears, like they were really high level. And in just outside of Santa Fe, um, you know, like really close to Zora Ranch and Santa Fe Institute and and everything out there is the Tridentina base, which is like Scientology's like largest, I mean it's a it's a secret, you know, location out there in the in the desert. I mean, it's secret to the degree that like, you know, nobody really knows what they do out there, but it's this gigantic facility that they have in the desert, and um, and it's really like their kind of like real operational base. And uh, and I just couldn't help but but you know, notice that there was this like you know, big, you know, big kind of like um overlap between the people that were running Stargate and the fact that the you know Tridentina base is so close to all these uh you know things that that are going on in Santa Fe and um and also like the Hefter Institute, which is like big you know psychedelic research uh you know institute that's located in Santa Fe. And um, you know, so there there just seems like there's you know so so many like connecting points, um, and the Scientology just had happened to be like kind of you know uh you know fit in with those two you know kind of operations.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

So there's a lot of proven connections with Scientology and intelligence apparatus, so right, um yeah, and Scientology is very conducive to this whole kind of uh you know spiritual, transpersonal, uh, and alien kind of uh worldview. So it that makes sense. That definitely makes sense, and yeah, they were definitely involved in Stargate for sure. The whole idea of remote viewing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

So yeah, just you know, like you know, when I when I was uh just looking through, you know, um the article, like there were there were really so many different connections, like um, you know, another another one that you know that I was thinking of, um, you know, because you're talking about Gino Yu and you know his his career like in um in Hong Kong at uh Pali U, um and in in terms of like video game development and you know theories about video games and um you know that like uh in Hong Kong and you know like concurrent with with his career there, um Brock Pierce um was running the um inner internet gaming entertainment company, right? Where they uh yeah, and they pioneered this whole thing about like mining you know game tokens to sell in real life for for you know monet for like cash money. And then that it was Steve Bannon, I think around 2006 or 2007, that came in to run that company when when he was you know, it was earlier than that, actually.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

I think it was earlier.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Okay, but but but simil similar time, but definitely when Gino U was you know like working in a real similar field, like in you know, uh, you know, in Hong Kong also. And I I couldn't help but think that like there had to be some kind of you know overlap in that network, and you know, that they had to have been you know crop crossing paths somehow.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

Well, they were. Um, and I documented this pretty extensively in both my Phoenix Conspiracy as well as the Epstein Transhumanist conspiracy article because uh Brock Pierce was advising Epstein on cryptocurrency. Right. Um, so I I think I mean Brock was essentially a kid at the time. I I really do think he was some sort of a plant, right? He was involved in that whole like uh that that's sex digital digital digital entertainment network, yes, and there was a whole kind of a sex scandal going on there, uh, which I only bring up because I think it gave them leverage over him. Uh that's typically how a lot of these things work, right? They have these uh networks, and I think a lot of uh, you know, what was going on with Epstein was that as well. Uh, you know, part of the scandals was leverage black male, uh, you know, and uh also psychological kind of leverage, right? Trauma-based mind control. But I think also the thing that that's what people get very focused on is that whole uh salacious aspect. And I'm not justifying any of it, it's tragic. And you know, certainly I have a lot of compassion for the victims and for their families, but I think the potential extinction of humanity is uh possibly the bigger story and really what needs to be given the focus because even in those cases, it was less I think about you know those activities and more about the experiments that were going on, because in a lot of cases they were using that as a means of trauma-based mind control or a means of trying to you know test these type of special abilities, quote unquote, um, you know, and putting them through these various types of exercises to to test them, essentially. It was a a testing project. Um, so but yeah, Brock Pierce was uh giving he was advising Epstein and uh the whole and this is what I think the whole Santa Fe Institute project is. It's all about creating the new monetary system, which is tokenization. And when I talk about the cybernetic organism, it's modeled after gaming, right? It's a that's essentially how the social credit system operates. It's not but it's not just like uh, you know, demerits, it's essentially incentivizing people. So you're we are already being conditioned for it, you know, people wear their their apps and then they have uh communities online, and you know, they're they they get points for getting more steps, and they even have ones where you can get money, like you win money for it, and that's essentially what they're conditioning people for. I and then this is not to judge people who do that. I'm not, you know, I'm just saying they're building up the conditioning mechanism for people to understand, and you see it on social media all the time. I mean, look, people that that's how influencers operate in the attention economy. So they're literally being monetized based off of uh people's attention, and that that is a cybernetic organism. So they don't have to have some puppet master say, like, I'll give you this big check if you say these narratives or don't say these narratives. They can have it decent decentralized, right? Dispersed through various uh, you know, uh online payments, and they actually have apps for this. So it could be one person, like one entity, and it will look like it's multiple credit cards. Uh so it could look and they can all be anonymous, but they can see, oh, when I say these things, I get lots of super chats. When I say these things, not so much, or when I say these things, I get more clicks and likes, and I, you know, I go viral. When I say these things, I get silence, or my my channel gets taken down. So I mean, we're already seeing how this will operate, but it is done in a gamified kind of uh you know, a way. It's uh so the people have want they want to, they want to uh do certain things to be. Rewarded, and of course, if they don't, they'll be penalized and they'll get the tokens taken away.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Right. It's you know, very ready player one. Uh, you know, um, it's it's it's so funny, like all of these, you know, um you know movies all kind of like linking over the another one that that I was thinking of. Have you seen Lawnmower Man? Um that's another one I think that that you know um you would you know really appreciate how it how it all works in, but it's it's all about virtual reality and like training, you know, like like lower level, like you know, lower functioning organisms, like you know, animals, primates, and then like you know, like um like mentally retarded, you know, human beings, and like giving them basically like superpowers by like plugging them into these VR systems in combination with like injections of like psychotropic noetic drugs, uh uh nootropic drugs. Um, and you know, so it's like it's the psychedelics, the virtual reality, you know, training these brains and the whole like concept in the movie is to make them into like super soldiers and stuff like this. And and then um, you know, basically in in the film, you know, this like guy goes from being like a you know a retarded mentally handicapped person into like achieving like apotheosis and becoming a god and merging with the machine and going inside you know of the internet and stuff. It's it it's from 1992, and so it's it's it's really interesting. Yeah, I I think I think you would you would be really interested in that one. Um, but yeah, I mean I I think that you know the the whole thing about Gino Yu, you know, um and you know his work at Poly U in um Hong Kong, I feel like you know they they might have brought like Brock Pierce in you know like to Hong Kong to start that company, IgE, as kind of like a private sector, you know, um means of like using like the the theories and the work they that that Gino U was developing you know at the university like to actually like put it into you know real world practice and start like you know uh mining these tokens, you know, uh through through the games and and you know turning them into like real world you know money and also money laundering.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

So sure, money laundering. Well, I don't know. I don't know if uh Brock had any connections directly with the Polytech U. Um, but I do know that he and Epstein for sure, I mean he was advising Epstein on cryptocurrency, and uh he was I I think the whole kind of gaming, mining, tokenization concept was very much being brewed between them. Um, and then of course, uh he was involved with uh Charles Eisenstein, right? Charles Eisenstein, uh he he was the campaign manager for RFK Jr., but he also wrote this book called Sacred Economics, which is this idea of like kind of regenerative economics, which is the the game B economy. Um and uh that's very much uh I think also the same kind of concept. It's this uh kind of uh ecosystem of uh shared, uh tokenized kind of like a that a lot of it's done through DAOs, decentralized autonomous organizations. Um, this is essentially how all these network states are running. So uh this is why I keep harping on the whole libertarian faction because I I know a lot of them mean well and they think they're fighting for freedom, uh, but they're essentially they're building the world brain. I have an article that exit and builds Tesla's Weilers world brain, and it's essentially through this lock-in voluntaristic strain that they're building these network states, this whole like praxis, which is uh, you know, Peter Thiel's project in Greenland that now has a sister project called Atlas in California, uh, that Trump is calling the freedom city, and uh Balaji Shernobasin has championed it as the true network state. And the network state concept was predicated on Patrick Friedman's seasteading, right, which Peter Thiel put in $1.7 million into. Uh, but it all comes from this voluntaristic uh kind of Lockean concept, which is really what uh birthed this libertarian strain. And so they think, oh, well, we have self-self-authorship, we own ourselves, but that there's no such thing as owning yourself unless you're, you know, you become God, right? Self-apotheosis. Uh you're either a uh you're part of a given order and you are endowed with inalienable rights, and that is why you have inalienable rights, is because you are a Maga gay, you are a a created being, or uh you subscribe to, you know, the in my opinion, the the lie, you shall be as gods. Um, but it it can't be one or the other, right? It's it's it can't be anything in between, it's one or the other. But the problem with it is that uh, you know, it's not for me to tell people what to believe. The my problem with it is that what happens then if you believe that you you subscribe you subscribe to this voluntaristic kind of principle. Now you believe that you as long as you enter into a contract, that's where you get your rights. So essentially you can become rewritten, right? It's a and that is what is happening now through these protocol layers of smart contracts, uh, through you know the clip graph agreements. And that's the part that I don't think they understand, but that's exactly what's happening with the network states, right? They say, Oh, well, you can leave. I don't know how easy it is to leave once you have a smart contract, to be really honest. Uh, and especially once that becomes recursive, a recursive smart contract. But let's just say hypothetically, you can leave. Um, you're still under the tyranny of that contract. So that has now overridden your inalienable rights. And I I think that's the part that they don't understand. They're like, oh, well, we agree to enter in this contract. Yeah, you agreed to enter into this contract, so now that contract has taken precedence over the underlying natural law, over the the notion of you having inalienable rights because you are a created being. The the yeah, I I that's that's kind of I I've tried to get people to understand that because that is essentially how we're moving into this next technocratic creed. I had written an article called the Technocratic Creed, which was number four in the series on the technocratic unconscious, um, where I started with Elon Musk uh, you know, talking about how we're gonna have a universal high income, uh, which is absolute nonsense. And then uh, of course, uh Palantir did their very long tweet summarizing their technological republic. And that's essentially what they're doing. They're rewriting the constitutional republic and they're using the the veneer of like traditional kind of what might appeal to not true conservatives, but maybe post-liberals. Uh, but the the vernacular may, and it's the same thing that happens here, right? They they just use certain uh they use certain vocabulary that they know will target certain audiences, it becomes marketing. Um but yeah, when you actually read it, what it's doing is rewriting, you know, uh it's overriding our constitution, our inalienable rights.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

So um when when you mention C-steading, um, you know, one of the things that because there's there's a lot of connections um with uh Martin Rothblatt and Teresem, which is this like transhumanist religious cult that that Martin Rothblatt created. Um and they are really tied in with seasteading and you know, like wanted to use seasteads to like use as like kind of uh you know experimental facilities for for doing like farming where they would use like um animals as incubators to produce like pharmaceutical drugs, you know, like inside of their bodies, like out at sea, because these are things that like you know ethically and legally like can't be done, you know, on land in most countries. Um things like and like human cloning experiments. But what's really interesting is um you know Martin Rothblatt is like a you know a connector between a lot of these nodes. Um Ben Gertl uh is the um he's on the editorial committee for Terracem's Journal of Cyber Consciousness. Um he uh he also you know an um open cog um you know uh runs uh all of the the you know kind of like AI uh you know for um handsome robotics. And I mean before before Sophia, Hanson Robotics, you know, like their their whole like biggest project was making the Bina 48 robot, which is like the robot um brazenhead avatar of Martin Rothblatt's wife Bina. And so like these people, um, and you know, so like that whole um loving AI project that's David Hansen and Gino Yu and Ben Gerzel, like you know, that that's really tied in with Martin Rothblatt and um uh uh terrace. And also like um she Martin Rothblatt is on the the board of directors of Life Boat. I don't know if you knew that. I mean I think like lifeboat. Yeah, right. No, that's that's what I mentioned. I was I was like, wow, when I was reading the article, I was like, there, you know, there's so many tying because I've done a lot of research about uh Martin Rothblad and and Terrasim and this idea of like becoming, because that is like the whole idea of their cult, this like transhumanist cult, that they are building God. God doesn't exist yet, so that like by building all of these technologies, they are creating God like you know, in the future that will, you know, come back and you know make like a you know a loop like in the past that that God will, you know, exist and then that's how everything you know would have been created, you know, in the past, or you know, some crazy thing. Um, but uh, but yeah, I mean it it is is really interesting because um uh also that you know being being that you were saying like there's two kind of teams of you know the AI, you know, kind of um you know, being with like Ben Gerzl and Gino U like on one side, and the more like computationalist, you know, being like um you know Rick Kurzweil and Marvin Minsky, and like that Martin Rotblatt is like actually like a big connector between both of those factions and kind of like a convergence point. And so um it just you know I thought that was really interesting, and you know, like how many different parts of the article, you know, I could, you know, connect with that organization.

SPEAKER_02 54:42

So yeah. Well, Gerzel, I mean, part of what I addressed here that I was so concerned about, and I've been really I've been tracking this for a while, but in uh 2024, they created a uh blueprint for a global constitution, the participatory framework for global AGI. And that is Gerzl is involved with that. Uh Marianna Bozeman, who's a member of the Club of Rome. Uh, we've got uh Annelose Smithsman, who is uh Earthwise founder, and uh she's very much game B adjacent. Uh and then we have Laura George, who uh she I'm blanking on what her role was, but uh yeah, so but it's in it's super scary. Let me see if I can pull it up. Um let me see, but they're essentially talking about uh they're uh they're essentially talking about how like they humans might have to become subordinate to the AGI because they're going to parent the AGI so that it's a benevolent AGI and that the AGI will probably have better ethics uh because they're better stewards of the planet. It's all you know Gaia worship and so that we might have to be then subordinate to them because of their ethical framework. And of course, uh Ben Goetzel was the uh, you know, he ran AI for good for the World Economic Forum and the UN. Uh, but I'm not so sure that his ex ethics are exactly the same as mine or what I want to be um what had to what we want modeled after. So yeah, it's uh Annalise Annalise Smithsman, who's the founder and CEO of Earthwise, Ben Gerzel, who's uh singularity net, Marianna Bozeman, who is a fellow of World Academy of Art Science, member of the Club of Rome. Oh, and she's also the founder um of AQAL, which is Ken Wilbur, right? The AQAL uh you know integralism uh foundation in Germany, and then Laura George, who is an Oracle Institute. That was the other one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:05

So this the AGI constitution, I mean, you've done um a lot of work writing about the um like AI world society and all like have another one is is there a connection? Because it seemed to me like that that had to do, you know, kind of like with these legal frameworks, uh, you know, around all of this stuff. And I was wondering if that constitution was tied in at all with the AI society.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

They're connected, it's not the same, but I think it's just an extension because these people are all proponents of, I mean, she's a member of the clip realm, right? So they're uh and uh Ben Gerzel has worked with the UN, the World Economic Forum, doing the AI for good, right? So that's the ethical blueprint for the World Economic Forum and the UN. So I there, which is what AI World Society, I have another article, hopefully coming out Wednesday, um that is on the update because I wrote I know I've been very, very busy and I really do need a break. Um but this is a a follow-up to I had to write it because I wrote the happy birthday to America. Now hand over your sovereignty. Uh this was uh um this was about how America's birthday, 250th birthday, is coming up, right, this summer, and the uh AI World Society. This is the Artificial Intelligence World Society, which is the vision for the UN Centennial. So this is 2045, uh the vision to have an artificial intelligence world society that will run the entire world, that will supplant all human governments in favor of this AI world society. Um, but that's in conjunction with Boston Global Forum that is run by Michael Tukakis, who is former governor of Massachusetts. He wrote this book, Remaking the World Towards the Age of Uh of Global Enlightenment. So obviously a nod towards the new age movement. If you look at their website, all the semiotics are very new age, kind of mystical. Um, but now they came out with a new book. Uh, the uh it's uh uh AI, America at 250, a beacon for the AI age. And this is what I wrote about in uh that article, uh, you know, happy birthday, America, now hand over your sovereignty, because essentially they're trying to target America to now uh become part of this AI World Society. That's essentially what they're targeting.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

And it was and it was the the AI World Society that's publishing this book about America 250, or that's yes, it's Boston Global Forum in conjunction with uh the AI World Society.

SPEAKER_02 59:40

Yeah. So the new that's the new book, and it launched officially May 1st, and now they've done their update and they had their book launch. And so I wrote a follow-up article on it. Um, but yeah, they're essentially targeting using the the term democracy, right? Which we are not a democracy, we're a constitutional republic. Um, but they are trying to use a marketing of democracy in order to subvert America, the constitutional republic, and they're enticing people with the this concept that will have a direct democracy, participatory framework, right? The participatory register. And this is something that I keep uh uh talking about this term participatory, because it's a participatory Platonist register, is really what it is. Um, and uh you hear like so uh in the next article, the dialectical engine, I I talk about participatory a lot because uh this is what uh Vervecki, uh Jonathan Vervecki, uh he's always talking about the participatory. And you hear then people like Jordan Hall echo this. And this is not a this is a very specific metaphysical framing. And I I think it's important for people to understand the distinction. This is uh they're essentially trying to uh replace the founding metaphysical concepts that come, you know, that are codified in the Declaration of Independence, that the constitution is supposed to be a legal extension of, uh, in favor of this kind of uh no-spheric kind of emanation, um, in terms of you know the metaphysical application. But yeah, so this uh I have that one coming out on that, what they're doing, but that is the that's the sequel to remaking the world towards the age of a global enlightenment, is now America at 250, a beacon for the AI age. So they're trying to get us to through the marketing of democracy buy into this idea that we need AI voting. So you have all various groups that are working on it, and they have different names, right? They have liquid democracy, synergistic democracy, quadratic voting, uh conviction voting. They have all different terms, but the the the narrative is that you will have a much more direct participatory democracy through this. But democracy is mob rule. We don't want a direct participatory democracy, but this is what they're trying to convince people in order to get people to sign on to uh their their AI god, and and it it's really interesting that they released it on May 1st.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:14

There's a lot of you know symbolism to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

I I thought so too. Yeah, and right before uh wasn't the Dindi uh the Illuminati birthday, May 5th.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

Well, May 1st of 1776. So it was actually the 250th anniversary, like of Adam Weishopp, like when they would have released that book. So that's that's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

Well, I don't think it's I don't think it's a coincidence. I actually don't think it's coincidental at all. And I mean a lot of what I outline in this article is that it is essentially it's a Masonic uh kind of a framework, right? It's the same kind of uh um I it is same belief system, same metaphysics.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

Well, yeah, I mean it as as as regards like the AI World Society, like something I I thought of you know a while ago after I I really learned about them from your research um you know over the last couple of years, but that like the acronym A um AIWS is essentially the same word as IWAS, which was the entity that Alistair Crowley channeled the book of the law from, right? And that you know, AI World Society being this, you know, kind of like governing body to dictate like the law, you know, in it moving forward. It it seemed like it's just too on the nose, you know, that that they chose, you know, that that that that acronym and you know that that it happens to to be so so you know, um, I mean it's it's the same word basically as I was.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:54

Oh, I know. I I know I don't think like I said, I don't think any of these things are coincidental. I mean that they use terms like I and that's why I keep trying to point out I'm like they use these terms like praxis and dialogue and uh palantier. I'm like really I was that there's no meaning behind that, that they don't know what these things mean. I you know, I talked, I pointed out in uh, I don't think it was in this article, but uh in the technocratic creed, I actually screenshot, I might have done it in this article too. I don't remember there's so much. Um, but I actually screenshot from Tavistock where they talk about praxis and they they say that they're recruiting their Gnostic reticulous, and then in it they actually say, Oh, the old aphorism, uh, you know, as above, so below is no longer reserved for mystery school initiatives and it can initiates, it can now be, you know, for the mainstream for everyone. Wow, that's that's pretty bold. If they just said that the quiet part out loud, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:00

But unbelievable. Um yeah, I just and um you know, if it feels like you know, there's there's so much, you know, kind of like spookiness, you know, um, you know, when you talk about like also um kind of like the book of the law being channeled. I mean the the Macy conferences, like they were doing channeling like seances in the Macy conferences. I know, you know, um, and so you know it feels like and and and you talked uh you know a lot about like um you know theosophy in in your article and you know the it's you know all all of these things, you know, are so titled.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:39

Theosophy, and this is not my interpretation. This is Madame Blavatsky's own words. It's literally just an extension of Neoplatonism, right? She was inspired by Platinus, and so it it is the whole concept of Neoplatonic an emanation. That is what theosophy is, it's just a rebrand of Neoplatonism. So, yeah, so you get that. And then the new age movement comes in and rebrands uh theosophy is essentially the same thing. And then my it's my assertion that that's essentially what complexity science is doing, because they now needed uh you know a more scientific veneer. So they're using math, which isn't it interesting that they're saying AGI is essentially computation, it's just math, right? So our new God is going to be a mathematician. So um, but uh if you subscribe to the open cog uh variety, then it's mathematician with some sort of special abilities for you know psychic consciousness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:42

No, but I mean I thought it was really interesting, you know, how you you kind of like distilled all of you know those, you know, uh, you know, seemingly like disparate, you know, movements or organizations into you know something where you know the the underlying philosophy is this becoming. Um you know, and and I and I and I I thought that that was one of the the really like you know kind of main points, the take homes, you know, of the article that that seem to really tie it all together. Um, that I thought I thought was you know just such such a cogent way of like distilling it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

And that's you know, so to go back to what I said in the beginning, like people will accuse me of, oh, I'm saying this is like, you know, there's this hidden shadow puppet master and it's all coordinated. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they all subscribe to the same philosophical lineage of becoming. They believe that this is the next evolution of man, this is the next evolution of society, civilization, uh, you know, of yeah, of humanity and of the world. I mean, that the cosmorotic humanists are talking about it in a cosmological sense. I mean, this is the whole universe, right? It's a next iteration of the universe. And so this is I and I think they genuinely believe it. A lot of these people think that this is the best for humanity or the best for whatever it is we become. Because I mean, if you subscribe to someone like Nick Land, I mean, it's truly post-human. They really don't think that the he his famous quote is that nothing human makes it out of the near future. So, you know, we we don't have any uh pretense about what that's saying, you know. This is not about humanity. Um, but he, you know, his whole philosophy is retro retrotronic, right? It's as well, you you were talking about that, right? They they create the new God. Uh, people like Kurzwell, Minsky, a lot of them talk about how God doesn't exist, but we will create him. AI will essentially breed this new God. And it's really just an extension of Nietzschean philosophy, right? Isn't that what Nietzsche said? Uh, a lot of people don't remember the rest of the quote, but when they say, you know, God is dead, and then the rest is and we have killed him, you know, who who will clean our hand, the murderer of all murderers, and what uh, you know, he says, like, what kind of atonements and rituals must we do in order to uh you know bring salvation? So essentially saying we need to become the gods. That's essentially what he's saying, right? And that's what they're saying too. It's the same kind of philosophy, and that you know, the Nick Land, the Dark Enlightenment uh people uh proponents are very nihilistic. Uh so I think it is really just a you know, it's a the modern iteration of Nietzschean kind of will to power uh philosophy, and uh yeah, but it's not human. And he does talk about the retrotronic, right? It's a retrocausal. So he believes that we're creating this new system that will, of course, be machine. It's a homo autocatalyticus, right? Uh, which is a concept that comes from chemistry, but he he's applied it to technology, and uh that that is essentially going to use humans as the nodes, so retroactively it's going back in time. So it's not thinking of time as like a linear construct, uh, but it's also not a human uh, you know, vision at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

And and then there's then there's like a uh like genetic, eugenic element to it also, which which you you know got into uh you know later in the article also.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:10

Um, you know, that being like an important, you know, element well I think that's very important, especially moving forward. When you look at things like Project Stargate, the Genesis mission, uh, you know, they're obsessed with genomics. And I I do think part of uh Epstein's project was AI designer babies, right? That's essentially what I think this whole he talked about how he wanted to seed all of humanity. Yeah, that's ostensibly what the whole ranch project was about, although uh you know, ostensibly he has no children, but uh that that was the vision, right? I I don't know, and that hadn't been corroborated one way or the other, but that that's the narrative, right? The claim is that he has no children, uh, whether he has a bunch of clones running around, I don't know. Um, but uh, you know, but he he wanted to seed, he wanted to seed humanity, and that was the whole premise behind the Zoro Ranch. And I do think it was AI designer babies, he's you this concept that there would be some sort of a a machine consciousness transference with these special abilities. Uh so that and that's the whole Project Stargate, the original Project Stargate, but the modern-day Project Stargate is essentially an extension of that. You know, we we have what was it right at right after Trump's inauguration, he he announces this big project.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:27

Project was like that, it was the next day, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:30

I it was, and of course, he's talking about like uh you know all the uh medical advancements. And I think Sam Alman got up and muttered something pretty uh incoherent, and uh I don't even remember what he said, but it was like really, really bad, like pretty incoherent. And then uh we had Larry Ellison step up to save the day, and Larry Ellison steps up and tells us how oh, we have this genomic sequencing, and we're going to be able to use that to predict, you know, how we can cure the C illness, and we'll give you mRNA. Uh that's specifically just AI precision medicine, it's specifically targeted for you, which is exactly what I what I had warned people the whole Maha movement was really all about. I told them I had the Maha is not make America healthy and it is about AI precision medicine. And of course, what did you RFK Jr. say? He said that Maha is really MABA, make America biotech accelerate. He said it. And then he said every American needs to be equipped with a wearable by the end of four years. And I mean, if you want to wear wearable, fine, but why is he insisting that? It's because he wants the internet of wearable so we can have uh uh it tied to the internet of things, eventually the internet of bodies and the internet of nanobio things, but it's it's about data collection. But all this to say that Project Stargate, I mean, they were talking about the genomics, and of course, Oracle bought Cerner, uh, which you know is all of the hospital data is now under the uh that infrastructure. And uh the Genesis mission as well. Uh, he's got uh you know a lot of the data under that as well. And so they're they're really obsessed with the genomic. I think that it was something like a million veterans whose genomic data will now be sequenced. Uh so that's all going to be under Oracle infrastructure, under uh Genesis mission. Uh and isn't that an interesting name, also? Genesis. Uh uh again, it's about rewriting it's being versus becoming, right? The whole notion of being of Imago Day comes from Genesis. They're trying to rewrite that. And is it a coordinated effort? Are all of these various projects connected? No, but they have this shared philosophical substrate, which is this notion that human beings can be rewritten and uh that advanced, evolved into something new. What was uh Eric Weinstein's question at the Edge Foundation? Does something unprecedented happen when humans finally unlock their source code?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:02

Jeez.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:06

And then uh Brett's question, this was in 2018. This was what my Epstein Conspiracy uh article was all about. Uh Brett's was something like uh, you know, can we uh something about like the game theoretical uh civilization? I yeah, it was essentially the game B question. I I'm blanking on what it was, but um, but yeah, I mean it's right there.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

Um but it it's it's interesting since you mentioned, you know, like Maha and you know, like uh soldiers and you know, all of this stuff. You know, another thing that just happened, we can say, you know, if maha is MABA, it's also Maha Make America high on psychedelics again, right? Um, you know, uh so and and that that that was the big, you know, like pre- the executive order, yeah, yeah. So sorry, not maha make America high again, but whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:01

Um that because I think that this executive order is a is like the fulfillment of this changing images of man, this whole and the Huxley project.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:12

Well, exactly. And and especially, you know, that they're um uh you know, one one of the aspects is that you know that that that you know it's it's all about like, oh, we're gonna heal these soldiers, we're gonna, you know, uh all these soldiers are suffering from PTSD, and so we're gonna give uh you know, soldiers psilocybin, we're gonna give them MDMA, you know, we're gonna do all this. And like, you know, what what you know, I think that there's like multiple levels of it, but first, you know, like if you're saying that like we're gonna basically make it so you know, soldiers are immune to PTSD by giving them, you know, psychedelics, basically like, oh, we're gonna, we're gonna make these like killing machines that kind of have no, you know, like mechanism for like self-reflection or remorse, you know, because because they're they're immune to the trauma of war, you know, by by rewiring their brains with these drugs.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

Well, and go back again, this whole being becoming, rewriting what it is to be human, right? What did we have in 1920 when the the Tavistock clinic was created? It was essentially to create Shell Shop. Shell shop, right? And it's so they're they're fig and it was all uh under the auspices that we're going to uh help these soldiers with their PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder. But essentially they were figuring out like uh what how to make yeah, what their breaking points were. And uh I you can argue if they calculate the breaking points, they can install them as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

And I think I think that that's yeah, I think that that's that's the big thing is like you know, the the pretext is always, you know, how can we like prevent you know this thing from happening, you know, or like studying it, but they're really studying like like for example, you know, um Rick Strassman, who you know was like the first person to like actually do like legally, you know, uh perm permitted um research on DMT, which actually was done in New Mexico, you know, through through the University of New Mexico. So there's there's that too. Um, but it it was it was funded, his his his uh, you know, DMT the spirit molecule um uh research was funded by the Scottish Right Foundation for Schizophrenic Studies. And it's like, oh well why, you know, why are they using why are they why would the Scottish Right of Freemasons, you know, like be funding, you know, research on DMT, you know, as relates to schizophrenia specifically. Like, I mean, it, you know, it's it's it's like, well, maybe because that's that's what they want to figure out how to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:42

That's that's MP Ultra, literally.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:44

Literally, and so this is so this was like in this was in like the early 80s. Um, and then you know, when they they made uh a documentary film about it, and it was of course like Joe Rogan was the host of the film. I don't I don't know if you remember this. It's in like 2010. Yeah, so so in like 2010, and and he's like Joe Rogan is like the the the host of the whole thing, and that's when you know like DMT became really popular because he started talking about it on his podcast, and um, you know, and then obviously he's the one who like you know, when this executive order came out last month, you know, he he was texting Trump being like, dude, you need to do this, and like, you know, he's standing right behind him, you know, in the White House while he signs the executive order. Like, you know, obviously, uh, you know, he's a big part of all this.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:30

And well, I keep saying, you know, that the the only way we'll be happy, you know, we'll own nothing and be happy, and the only way we'll be happy is if we come deliver servitude in Huxley's Brave New World. And if they give us enough soma, maybe we will. And it that's that seems like that's what they're doing. They're they're gonna hand out that soma.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

So no, and it and uh it you know it's it's really interesting again, you know, talking about like um Alistair Crowley, like Huxley of the people behind me there are tremendous professionals, medical professionals most. No, no, no, keep going.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:03

Oh, I was just gonna say that that Huxley, um real hero was pleased to announce historic reforms to dramatically accelerate access to new medical research and treatments based on psychedelic drugs. In many cases, these experimental treatments have shown life-changing potential for those suffering from severe mental illness and depression, including our cherished veterans. Our veterans are having a tremendous hard time. You know, the suicide rate, we have it down a little bit, but they are having a hard time. And I got a call from a number of people, including the great Joe Rogan. And he said we have to do something about this. And I agree with Bobby, I called Oz, I called Marty and Jay, and it was really it was uniform support. And I said, So why would we wait three or four years to get it done? Or 10 years, frankly. Let's get it done immediately. And that's what happened. This has probably never been anything happened so quickly. Everybody is so strongly in favor of this. It's it's for a lot of people, but it's for our military in particular. The suicide epidemic among veterans is a national tragedy. Since 9-11, we've lost over 21 times more veteran lives to suicide than on the battlefield. So we lose, think of that, 21 times more. And today we're bringing them new hope. I think you're gonna see a big difference and a big reduction in that number. I wanna it's funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:32

Uh he's when he's it's like he's learning these facts for the first time, and he's like, Oh wow, like that's pretty good, right? Like, oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:41

He's like, I nailed him, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:42

Yeah, like jeez, I knew it was all good.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:45

Yeah, uh he was also he's also like, we've never done anything this fast, and I'm like, Yeah, what about operation warp?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:52

Yeah, exactly, right? Like, yeah, sorry, I I uh keep going, um I thought it was muted, but I had the browser muted, so I I you guys were no, no, that was it was it was it was good to play that actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:06

But yeah, yeah. The the point is just say that the the quote from so Brett's was uh uh can humans set a non-evolutionary course that's game theoretically stable. Uh that was his edge uh edge foundation question for 2018, uh, and his brothers was uh about unlocking the source code. Um, but I think that this is so interesting because this was my whole uh you know cornerstone for the dialectical engine, the the sequel to this article was uh about how they uh it was I analyzed the conversation between Brett Weinstein on his Dark Horse podcast with Jordan uh Jordan Hall and uh Jonathan Paggio. And uh yeah, essentially, you know, I was arguing that this is this is dialogos, it's the uh dialectical generator, and but it was at minute 28, uh, seven twenty-eight minutes, seventeen seconds, where Brett essentially just like replaced the entire container for the conversation. You know, it was no longer about what is religion, what you know, what problems does it solve. It completely shifted to, you know, a conversation about game theory and how does religion fit into the game theory container. And uh yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:26

No, well, I mean what what what was his you know like thesis on you know like how religion fits into the container of game theory?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:34

Well he I saw I saw that you posted about that the other day, but so he essentially says that uh you know religion solves deep game theoretical problems, and so it no longer becomes, I mean, religion is a metaphysical framework. So it's no longer he he kind he completely shifted it to an epistemological discussion, so now it becomes about methodology, right? Religion is not a tool to solve you know problems. That's not what religion is, right? It's a it's the the metaphysical framework underneath that. Uh so yeah, so he essentially shifted that conversation, he collapsed one into the other, and um I think that that's just uh that that's essentially how the dialectic operates, and that's how you have people who could genuinely be in the being lineage, they get swept into this becoming discussion. Um now I I you know in the article I'm very careful to say I cannot adjudicate intent or motive. I I don't know, I can have opinions, you know. I've got lots of opinions, um, but you know, they're they're like buttholes. We all have them. So um, but uh yeah, those are my opinions, and I usually try to show you how I derive my opinions. So, you know, they're not coming out of nowhere, but uh, but they are still my opinions. I don't know, I can't, I'm not inside their heads and I don't know them, you know, not well enough to know them personally. I've I've had conversations with uh Brett and Jordan, but and I've never talked to uh Jonathan. Um, but this isn't a personal assessment, it's uh it's irrelevant whether or not they're uh genuine, uh, you know, in good faith. That's actually irrelevant because the dialectical engine doesn't require it. It only requires that the audience perceive it as authentic. If the audience perception is that this is good faith discussion and discourse, um, then it perpetuates the dialectic. And that's essentially what you saw happening. So you have ostensibly these two uh people who were a quote unquote Christian, right? We've got Jonathan Paggio, who is uh an Orthodox Christian, and then you've got uh Jordan Hall, who's a recent uh Protestant convert. Um, but my argument was that none of them none of them rebutted in any way that would have preserved uh the creator creation distinction. And if uh if they had done that, then the the conversation would have gone in a very different direction. The dialectical, it would have checked the dialectic, but they didn't. So yeah. So essentially you have uh, you know, uh Paggio who operated in uh much more of a platonic participatory platonic register. In some cases, I would actually argue more of like a Hermetic Platonic, to be quite honest. Um, now I'm not saying that's what he is, I'm just saying that's the you know, using his own words, that's how he operated. And he did not push back uh asserting any kind of creator creation distinction, uh, you know, any kind of Imago Day kind of framework which would have checked uh the game theoretic um framework. And uh Jordan Hall didn't either.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:59

So it's it's interest it's interesting that like you know now um you know Brett is you know getting into these, you know, like um, you know, these spaces of like you know, real the religious dialectics because you know I think that he was such a key figure in the like the culture war dialectic and that he was really astroturfed like in in that way when he was involved with the incident on Evergreen uh State's campus.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:31

I think was in from the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:33

Absolutely. Well, uh well, Evergreen itself is actually like and and you know, like I've you know talked a lot about this about how it's like a real like social engineering laboratory at Evergreen, um, and that that's where you know like a lot of this, you know, kind of like um manufactured culture, you know, has actually come out of. Um Matt Groening, you know, who created The Simpsons, you know, was at Evergreen. Um Bruce Pavett, who started subpop records, where like the whole grunge scene, you know, like completely invented, you know, he was at Evergreen, Paul Stametz, who is yeah, uh Paul Stamitz, who is, you know, like obviously like the mushroom psilocybin guru, who was, you know, like the most viral, you know, episode of Joe Rogan's, you know, show was with Paul Stametz, and when everybody went crazy for, you know, mushrooms, like, you know, 10 years ago, um, it's really because of Paul Stametz. He was at Evergreen. Um, I actually know his professor, uh, Michael Bube pretty well. Um he's uh he's uh here uh um is real involved in the the mycology um uh community here in the Pacific Northwest. So I so I know him pretty well. But yeah, I mean like it seems like all of these figures at Evergreen were like you know uh kind of you know pushing all of this like culture stuff, but but yeah, Brett's whole thing was like highly staged and engineered, it seems to me. Um and it's Just interesting that it happened there.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:01

So I I think so too. And yeah, I mean I I've already the whole intellectual dark web woke, anti-woke was it was completely a dialectical operation. Uh I mean, none of them were conservative. Like they were all they're they're labeled like this all right, and they were all just arguing that a man's a man and a woman's a woman, but suddenly that made them all right. Like it was really kind of absurd. Um, but yeah, it spawned the whole culture war, and then you know now you have the further splinter, which yeah, it's uh more schismogenesis. So yeah. Um, but I do think, and even on his profile, his Twitter profile still says Game B forinse.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:44

Ah, okay. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:46

Actually, he talked about it twice on uh Rogan pretty extensively, which is why it's so strange that people are like, I've never heard of it. Like Rogan has platformed almost every prominent Game B thinker. Um like his fans.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:02

Yeah, I think his fans when they have those people on, um I think he's just been getting a lot of backlash from it, actually. I think that might be why. Um some of his um because he's having a lot of Epstein-related people on, and his core audience uh seems to really start to have a problem with that, and they're they're starting to think like, oh, is this guy compromised? Like, is he uh hedging for Peter Thiel and Epstein and Epstein's friends?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:35

And well, his audience is not very bright if they're having that epiphany.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:40

Well, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:41

Yes, yes he's like totally funded by Big Pharma and Big Tech. I mean, that's not controvertible, like that that's verifiable. He's completely funded by Big Tech and Big Pharma. So, I mean, for them to be surprised, that's uh that's a little shocking. I have never actually watched a full uh Rogan episode through, but I there were there were a couple that have tried, and my I don't know if he's just not that bright and can't understand the answer, or if he gets too stoned. I and I'm really not trying to be rude, I really don't know what it is, but he will literally an hour later ask the same question, and like he they they've answered this, like and I've only I've I like I said never listened to a single episode full all the way through, but I've tried for a couple, and in every one of them he does this. This is like a thing he does where he's he asks the same question an hour later, and I'm like, Did you not understand the first time, or do you not remember asking the question? What's going on here?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:44

Yeah, uh people who are are like diehard Joe Rogan fans, like they're the type of people who they they don't want to see the bad, they just they just love them so much. Um there's actually a lot of like if you watch um uh comedy commentary um shows on YouTube or stuff when they talk about Joe, like they talk about how like he's so unfunny, jokes go over his head, like he you know, he should quit comedy, like his podcast isn't as great as like everyone says it is, like he he shouldn't be doing this, he shouldn't be doing that, and then they get up, like I said, now they're getting upset with uh how they like he doesn't push back on people from Hollywood or or uh Peter Thiel or or you know whoever, right? He he he just likes to uh just like Howard Stern in a way, like you know, he sells out and and uh now he's uh um Hollywood Howie and he uh he just likes his big Hollywood friends and um he doesn't want to rock that boat. So I think that's a big part of it too.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:51

Maybe I had um I have one other thing, you know. Um how do you think um I mean didn't necessarily like go in this, but um, you know, now that now that we're kind of like at this stage now, um, you know, with like UFO disclosure, that's like this this next phase of the how do you think that this like works in with what you're writing about in in the the uh article, you know, this whole thing about becoming and you know what what role does this narrative uh you know play into you know to all of that?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:33

Well, I I think in many, many ways, but I mean this idea that uh you know there's I I I feel like they're going to try and convince us that I think it it ties into like the digital ID. I think they're gonna try and convince us that there's these aliens and then they need to determine who's human, who's not. And so, you know, in order we're gonna have to have some sort of digital ID or chip or something to identify us.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:58

Um same thing with AI too. It's like the the Turing test sort of thing of you know, what's human and what's AI, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:06

Exactly. I I do I can totally see a scenario like that. Um, but yeah, I think that it essentially it it does to play into it because it's this whole kind of uh it's it's just another iteration of that new age kind of concept, right? It's uh the where there's something else to aspire to, there's these uh other beings, and uh what is our relationship to those beings and are they more intelligent than we are? It's like it brings up all these questions that ultimately I think negate the concept of us being you know a fixed being, uh, Imago Day, right? I there's some theories about like the aliens actually created us. I know like Scientology is very much uh on that wave.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:54

Or or that like they are us evolved genetically and you know, it like intelligence technologically, you know, into the future and have like retroactively, you know, gone back and you know created us because they were us, and you know, this kind of like circular evolutionary, you know, kind of which is why I think it it ties into the transhuman project essentially.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:19

Um and the transhuman project is the becoming project. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:23

That's that's that's why that's why when I was I I was reading the article and just kept thinking like I you know, I feel like there's a tie-in with all of this and you know, this this like you know, disclosure that seems like this is this is the next thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:35

And you know, yes, the disclosure is definitely the next thing. And it's a it it is also this uh I I think it's also connected to that like emanation kind of concept, right? That we're we're all part of the the cosmos and we're all one, we're all interconnected, there's no separation, uh there's no unique individual souls. Uh I think it's kind of connected to that, but yeah, I it's coming. It's definitely coming. Is it Spielberg's movie? I think is uh Rice movie. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:12

Next month, I think, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:14

Yeah, yeah.

unknown 1:35:16

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:16

It's just crazy how many people have like fallen for it. I I find it's uh it's like this has been this has been laid out for like Project Blue Bean. Like, I mean it's been laid out for so long.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:28

So yeah, well, um geez guys, this was a lot of fun as usual. Um, I guess we'll wrap it up now. Um before we go though, Courtney, um, thank you so much for being here again. We we really do uh we really do enjoy your time and we enjoy the conversations we have. So um thanks again for being here. Can you please let everyone know uh not only where they can find you and your book, but um again, can you let them know where to find uh the article we spoke of and then the part two that you will you are uh gonna be releasing?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:04

Yes, so the best place to find me is probably Courtney.show. I spell my name like Courtenay. It is pronounced Courtney, but it's Courtenay, so C-O-U-R-T E-N-A-Y dot show. And that will have a the all it's basically my link tree. So it'll have you know where you can get my book, uh, my website, so all the podcasts and my my sorry, my sub stack, which is courtenay turner dot substack.com. Uh so the book is available on Amazon's The Final Betrayal, How Technocracy Destroyed America that I co-authored with Patrick Wood. And uh this is available on Amazon. We have the Kindle copy available as well as the audio. The audio is only a three and a half hour listen. So uh there's really no excuse not to have this information. And uh uh obviously the audio and the Kindle are pretty cheap, but if you buy more than one copy, you can go to technocracy.news and you'll get a discount for even buying two copies. So uh if you plan to buy more than one, then definitely go there. And uh yeah, so my uh website is Courtney Turner.com and then my substack. So this article that we mostly discuss was the factory reset. I did make that free. As I said, I think it's 140 something pages, so it's essentially a free book. Um uh that did require it's dense, it's it's not for the fan of heart. Um, but the sequel to it is called The Dialectical Engine, and that one I did make pay paywalled. Uh, so from for many reasons to be really honest. One to honor those who support the work that I'm doing, because I can't do it without support. Um, and uh so the the people who are paying uh should be rewarded, and I am so gratefully appreciative uh to those who do support the work that I'm doing. And uh also I just this is me being really honest, but there's so many people who have a lot of opinions again, but don't actually read. And right, right, yeah, you know, and I'm like, you don't have to agree with me. Like, I you know, that I believe in free will, freedom of consciousness. Like, you do not have to agree with me, but please have the decency to at least read before you come at me. And this material is pretty dense. I I really tried to be incredibly respectful with these three. These are all, you know, they're very public figures, they are uh sacred cows to a lot of people. I'm not trying to kill anybody's hero, and uh I'm not even trying to be disrespectful. A lot of these people are brilliant and doing good, meaningful work. And I I I you know, I'd like to think that they have the best of intentions, the road to hell was paved with good intentions. So I am trying to point out how the dialectical engine operates, and essentially it is churning this philosophical substrate, this uh you know, ancient uh dichotomy between those who believe in the being lineage versus the becoming. And my concern is that as we get churned into the becoming, that we will cease to be because becoming erases being. And that that's really why I am harping on this. And I know it's like people's eyes glaze over when you go into philosophy. It's like, but the whole transhumanist project and the technocratic project, uh, the whole agenda is predicated on the philosophy of becoming. It's this idea that we can be rewritten into managed nodes. Uh, so that is the sequel, and then I'm working on uh the the founding cut, which is the uh which kind of goes backwards. So this was more modern day, the whole Epstein AI designer babies and uh machine consciousness project, uh, and the Santa Fe Institute Complexity Science rebrand of the new age movement. Um, and then I go backwards to the birth of the field of psychology, and that is going to be the next part of the series, which is uh really, you know, my argument is that they had to uh do a institutionalized, legit, like credible uh institutionalized academic uh replacement of the soul in order to achieve their becoming project.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:19

I'm really looking forward to that. Um I just you know, uh just before we wrap it up, I like thank you so much, Courtney. Like it is just it is uh an honor to have you like come talk with us, you know, as much as you do. And it's like just so so gracious and generous of you give me so much time. And um, like this this article, I mean, I I feel like it was like a real high high watermark. I mean, like this was this was really, really amazing. You know, even like you know, with everything you do, like this was this was really great. And um, I'm you know, I'm planning on like actually printing out some you know copies to be able to send to my family members who are, you know, like I you know wouldn't wouldn't go on the internet to read something like that and you know just you know want want people to be able to to to see this because I mean it it's it's really important and you know what you laid out um uh in you know distilling all of this you know to this you know dialectic of the being versus becoming, I think that this is like a you know a really a breakthrough concept and and I just I I I was blown away and and just really appreciate what you did and you know thank you for sharing it with us, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:30

Thank you. Yeah, and if anybody can, I mean, I would like to try and make this whole thing into like a tangible book. I need resources. So if you are in a position to support or if you know a publisher who would be interested in taking it on, I just don't have the resources to do it. But I'm these really aren't articles. There's they should be boxed.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:52

We can you know we we we can talk sometime if if you'd like. Um I have family members that you know like are you know publish authors and have resources in the the um great um industry. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:04

Awesome. Yeah, well thank you. Thanks, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:08

Well, thank you. Uh we'll reach out again. Um we'll let you yeah, we'll let you know about the publisher stuff. And uh I I still need to order your book, so I'm gonna reach out to you about that. Uh because I really want to read that. Um, yes, there it is. Perfect. Final betrayal. Um thanks again, Courtney. And uh of course we will be in touch to uh to have you back because uh we love this stuff, as we uh we were both just saying. So all the best to you, and um, yeah, we'll talk soon.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:34

Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:36

Thanks, Courtney. Well, there that was awesome, guys. Damn. Um, I really enjoyed that episode. Um she does some killer work, man. Um, she really pumps it out, eh?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:51

She's she's next level. I don't I don't know, I don't know how she does everything that she does. So she she writes, but she you know, she has her own shows and she does, you know, she goes on other people's. I mean, she's uh Courtney's amazing, so it it really is so cool that she's been you know so like generous to you know come on as many times as she does and you know give us the the kind of time she does. Uh it's awesome, it's just awesome for sure, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:18

Um we'll uh we'll get her back soon, big time. Um, well, thanks to uh everyone watching, everyone in the audience. I know we had a lot of uh a lot of viewers tonight, and that was great. Uh a lot of people active in the chat. Um we we've got more episodes booked. I'll let you know next time. Um we did have, I know I told you the last episode I told you guys we had all these shows booked. Uh, I did have some personal stuff come up in addition to a couple shows getting uh moved around. So it just turned into a bigger gap than expected. So uh yeah, we apologize about that, but we still have a lot of awesome stuff coming up. Um we'll just have to let you know about those um next show. Um me and Hadsburg are gonna uh book that uh uh we'll have a talk about it right after this, actually. We'll book our that uh psychedelic-related show, uh, a lot of the stuff we were talking about today. Um and then I'll let everyone know about uh the other shows. We have William coming up, uh, we got the rejects coming up, uh everyone that I told you about, they're still coming back. Uh we'd like to get Bart Sabr, excuse me, we'd like to get Bart Sabrell back. Uh, and there's um a few people that actually you guys suggested that I'm trying to get her in in touch with. Um so yeah, we're working on some stuff. So um I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Um make sure to yeah, make sure to check out her sub stack. Um, I think I'm going to subscribe to that um at least for a little bit and just and check some of it out. And I want to buy her book. Um because yeah, I like to support the people that come on the show. And uh yeah, she comes on a lot. So uh I have no reason not to uh not to support her.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:08

So uh I mean that that that that that article um and that was real cool that she did like put that out for free because I mean it that that really is and it's it's almost it's almost research, man. Yeah, almost, you know. Um and it's it's it's insane. She did she did such a good job, and like I said, I I felt like that was like uh real like high watermark for you know the the work that she does. And um, man, I'm just blown away. So I real I really enjoyed uh you know reading it and seeing just like all the different threads that she was able to tie together, you know. Damn it. Just so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:48

That was really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:49

And then um, yeah, uh Jordan mentioned, you know, we're gonna we're gonna do an episode, he and I, on uh a lot of the you know research that that I've been doing about uh you know psychedelics, you know, history of psychedelics, and dude, I mean I not not to not to tease, but man, just like you know, I thought I knew some things and you know doing some prep work for for the show. Um I've just been like, oh my god, you know, seeing just some crazy stuff. Um so it's it's gonna it's gonna be a banger when we uh when we nail it down. And I'm sorry that I had to uh reschedule on that last one. I had some some some things come up last week.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:26

So no worries, man. You weren't the only one. It's all good. Bunch of stuff, bunch of stuff came up. So yeah, man. I definitely uh I definitely uh it yeah, it was no big deal at all, that's for sure. Uh it it even it actually made more sense to move it anyways. So it's all good.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:42

I I I I actually like started getting overwhelmed. I'm like, I was like, oh my god, there's no way I've like you can even get all this together for like one episode.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:52

It'll make for a better episode now.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:54

It might yeah, it might it might end up being like a multi-part too, you know. There's there's just so much. So we'll we'll we'll we'll chat about it. Cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:03

All right, guys. Um please subscribe to the show, um, to the podcast. You can get us obviously on YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, Apple, um, you know, wherever you get your podcasts. And um, yeah, also check out um shout out to Scott Horton. Thank you for the hat. Uh go to the Scott Horton Academy.com slash divulgence. You'll get a discount uh on his services, and he he's offering like a whole wide range of different courses uh and resources, and it you get all of it, and it's all in one. So it's it's really good stuff. Uh, and we're definitely gonna get him on again. Uh, I recommend you checking out his recent Piers Morgan appearance because he actually I I don't know if he was, it looked like it might have been his LA studio, so maybe he was in LA. I don't know if he went to the UK, but he was in the studio and it got pretty heated, and it uh it was a good good episode. So and he always does good shit. So uh shout out to Scott. Uh yeah, that's about it though, guys. Uh take care. We'll be uh we'll be in touch soon with some new episodes, and we'll let you know uh about the schedule. And uh yeah, that's about it, guys. Thanks for watching. And uh Hadsburg, thanks for um thanks for being here, man. You fucking rock, my brother. Oh man, that was great, Jordan. Thanks, dude. Okay, peace, boys. Take care.