#128: Jeffrey Epstein & Deviant Art w/ William RamseyUntitled Episode

I welcome back my friend, researcher, author, filmmaker, and podcaster William Ramsey. We discuss Epstein and his deviant art collection, laundering money with art, stealing art, how the world of art is currently very interested in Jeffrey Epstein, Hunter Biden's recent art hobby, Petrina Ryan-Kleid paintings, the Gates of Hell, deviants using art as an excuse to be deviants (Alefantis, Podesta, Epstein, etc.), Dana White's weird art (and how he displays it for the world), Blink Twice, sneaky Jeff Epstein, and much more!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Hey everybody, and welcome back to Divulgence. Uh, great to see everybody here. Uh, it's been a while. Um, very happy to bring back my friend, researcher, author, podcaster, filmmaker, William Ramsey. William, good to see you, man. How are you?

SPEAKER_02 0:15

I'm doing well. Thanks for having me back, Jordan. Glad to be with you.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Of course, man. Always good to see you. So um, I'm excited for our talk today. Um, all of our talks. Uh, I'm quite excited because you uh you do great research, as I've as I've said, and uh today we're gonna be looking at uh deviant art uh as it connects to Epstein, and then uh if we might get into some other uh connections with other people and other movies and stuff, but yeah, that's kind of our main focus. Um, the whole Epstein thing. And uh I'm sure people are familiar with um some of the deviant art when it comes to, for example, uh the Podestas or the Pizzagate thing or Elephantis. So yeah, kind of uh kind of pretty much. I would say it goes a lot into that kind of stuff. Um focusing more on Jeffrey Epstein. So um, William, where uh where should we uh begin, my friend?

SPEAKER_02 1:09

That's a great tie-in. I mean, I think it's like the Podesta files. People discovered these guys were into weird stuff. The brother Tony Podesta was into that tortured statue that was hung up in the middle of his place, amongst other strange things on the wall. And to and uh I think it was John Podesta had the one of the cannibalism depiction, right? In the background of his office. Like he didn't have anything else on the wall, but just some really weird, sterile thing. So I think that uh it's an insight, these these pictures are an insight into the personality and the psychology. So I think that they're very they're very important. So I think um is that you nope. Can't hear that, huh?

SPEAKER_01 2:04

I heard it, but it's not me.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Huh. Anyway, it sounds like somebody's like playing cards or something.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Yeah, yeah, playing on a keyboard, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Um, anyway, the so I think it's an insight, and I think that Epstein was into the art world. He definitely had art connections, knew a lot of different people, and uh I think that that's kind of like what he did in his connections are involved in other people who are known in the common culture. So I think that it's uh it's it provides interesting insight because he's really is involved in acquiring pieces, so he wasn't kind of a passive collector, he was definitely involved in the art world, art studios, um, venues, things like that. And you see it reflected through all of this, um, all of his emails and his communications and things like that. So I think that also it ties into our earlier talk of people who hadn't heard the blink twice episode. I'll show stuff from this blink episode that ties into this talk, so I think you'll find that interesting.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Do you want me to pull the what do you want to pull up first?

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Well, we can just start with the slides I sent you. Do you want me to do it?

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Uh no, I can pull them up. Got them right here.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

This is just kind of an interesting thing that was posted on X about the how these um how the art world really works. It's like tax-free havens, so there's a lot of incentives in collecting and trading arts, and it's a way to launder money too. So you see weird things with Hunter Biden, if you remember him, like his homemade art pieces, you know, they're paying half a million dollars for those. And then you can make loans on those on those valuations. So if the valuations are appraised at a higher level, you can actually have a loan, and then you can default on the loan in the art that you made for 10 bucks or whatever in your studio, you just improve to yourself. Yeah, you can do all kinds of fun stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

That's wild. He's definitely doing that, you know he's pulling that kind of crap.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

So, and you never see that. You just the bank takes a loss, or whoever takes a loss, supposedly, and the guy ends up with all the money. Like, okay, whatever. So, there's all kinds of strange things. There's not lack of taxation, there's tax havens, and that's what Jeffrey Epson kind of cut his bones on at Bear Stearns back in the day is he was in a special thing under a guy by the name of I think Max Greenberg. He was in like the special things where he ought he knew about offshoring funds and tax things, tax shelters, and other things like that. So these guys were all into doing a lot of that stuff. So that's really the first slide there. The second one is like this two chicken slide, uh that depicts human bodies, yeah. And we talked about the code words and jerky and stuff like that. So you see the similar dark themes and things like that, and you see all these other kinds of uh things. They are also kind of pirates, they they seem to be stealing other people's art. There's other things within these emails of people's art being lifted or borrowed or taken without their consent, without the consent of the um of the artist or things like that. So it's um it's just all things. One of the guys here says that James Elephantis Pegasus Museum. That's right, and Elephantis had a European contact or European something in um in Berlin or something like that. So he they were shipping art in between, and that was kind of a lesser research aspect of the Podesta files, right? Because it got Pizzagate got its name after people discovered combo pizza, but it really came out of it, it was important in the 2016 election, it came out of the John Podesta files that were leaked through WikiLeaks, right? Right, yeah, and these these files were a very salient part. What they called it back a year ago was the Epstein list. This was a very important part of what the American people got conned into voting for Trump and all of his account all of his henchmen, um, Patel and Vance, and all these guys are like, oh yeah, and Bon Gino, oh yeah, we'll release these files, we're gonna do it, we're gonna get the list together. But the list is important, but what's more important is the the connections and the kind of digital Rolodex that's in and what what the what it exposes about the Epstein's operation and his network is far more important than the list. I would say the list is important, but there's actual facts and uh details in here that were never divulged in the public. If you remember, they just tried to like the FBI or uh the DOJ just said, you know, we've got two pedophiles. We had Epstein arrested back in 2019, and then Ghlaine Maxwell 2020, and then we're done, we're washing our hands. But what it turns out in these files is that there's just a vast, much broader network, and their interest in art is part of this. Like there's many people in his network who are also interested in art, but these are art pieces that are dispersed through his properties. If you remember, there's Zoro Ranch, Little St. James, Manhattan, and then also Palm Beach. Right. So you'll see similarities and things. There's some pictures that aren't there's no pictures of some of the art, there's descriptions because people were in there, but there's also a lot of like uh pieces that we do have copies of. But one of the people who he was kind of like back in the 90s was this uh woman whose name uh I can't escapes me now, but she was she was one of this earlier kind of victims, and uh she was an artist herself, and uh, you know, she claims like in one of these slides, like her art was taken and put up on a wall, and you'll see a picture of it. Like if you go to um the next slide, you'll see a picture of it too. Yeah, she's talking about it in this email. Yeah, go to the next slide.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Oh, the the next one? Yeah, right here, or like skip this whole time.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

The next picture.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Oh, okay. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

That's the redaction of the stolen art. She's mentioning that in the background. They redacted that for some reason. But she's saying that to that is actually her art. Oh Farmer, Maria Farmer is her name.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Right, right, okay. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

There's so many new like victims have come forward in these congressional hearings that have taken place in the last month. So the story's still unfolding, and if the American public are still interested, I can attest to that. And the global public. Like the kind of journalism that's being done globally is off the charts.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

No, we still want to hear about it, man. Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

So props to you again for doing the work you do to not only keep it in the forefront, but you you definitely do it in a way, William, that people are able to digest it a little easier. So, um, yeah, man, props to you for that.

unknown 9:27

Thanks.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Um, so if you go down a little bit more, you'll go and see this. Is farmer stuff. She says here, Maria Farmer says that that was something that she she uh she told Epstein to buy this painting, which it depicts the known as the rape, which is weird. It looks like that's according to her. That's from artnet.com. A lot of these artnet.com, they're really interested. And I never would read this like casually, like, I wouldn't go to the art thing, but they're really interested in Epstein and this art stuff.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

So, really, yeah, yeah. I mean, why wouldn't they be, right? Why wouldn't they be? That's an interesting, yeah, man. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

There's like tens of articles about him and his contacts and the people, and they're really good, they're really interesting. Like, um, but uh yeah, so it is it's just an interesting component, like maybe also it's insight for maybe people like who aren't of that elite class who operate in this art world, you know. And this is kind of where he seemed to find victims and stuff, like I had connections and all the stuff. Um, so he was also always searching for victims, he and and Maxwell. I think I could prove that in court. Yeah, and the art art world was part of it. People would work at art galleries and things like that. If you scroll down one more, you'll go. That's the entrance room into the giant mansion on on 71st Street.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

Yeah, this one is interesting. I I wanted to ask you, do you think that um this piece with the I don't know if it's bronze, but the the statue coming down from the rope. Do you think that's supposed to be in combination with the uh sky and the clouds? Or do you think those are just supposed to be taken as separate 100%?

SPEAKER_02 11:25

I do. I think it's some kind of depiction of something coming in. If you see the sacrilege, and he like he had a lot of crucifixes and praying statues, and I think I they'll be in this slide set, and you'll see like uh Mary and uh Weird Crosses in Weird Place for a guy who's Jewish who seemed to like the Talbot, talked about Goyim. Um, it's kind of a strange thing, but I think it's it's part of his sacrilegious kind of view. There's no evidence that I ever saw him going into a um synagogue or anything, you know. Okay, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's no evidence that he actually did stuff or prayed, or he was more of a mocker, like he mocked Christianity and things like that. There was one victim who said, like, I'll be okay and Jesus loves me. And then somebody wrote to Epstein, like, Well, maybe you should dress up like Jesus next time you do. Right. And then Epstein's like, Whoops, like he didn't even show any real empathy at all. I mean, there's no element of empathy in his his communications at all. It's almost like that part of his uh it's a sociopath, like he didn't have any empathy. He just continued to do it, yeah. Stone Cold pedophile. These are other pictures that he had on his uh library thing. Yeah, that's right, Tara. So you see this, like these are depicts. That's a that's a like a bishop either being tortured or something like that in a holy pose, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

No, it look I was gonna say it almost looks like it's a head that's been removed.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Looks like that. Maybe a depiction of John the Baptist. I don't know. I haven't validated this one yet, but it is interesting. There's a picture of him in Bannon, um, where Bannon's talking to him, and these pictures are up on the wall, but it's it's almost and we'll see this kind of thing, this uh gates of uh hell that's done by a ghost radin, um, a French guy. But um the the the um bookshelf is very imposing, it's almost like 12 or 14 feet high. So if you if if he wanted to project power to somebody who's sitting in that seat that Bandham was sitting in, I think it would be very successful because it would show it. I he it doesn't seem like um Jeff or or Epstein was like a very deep thinker, but I think he was very much involved in projecting power. Maybe that he didn't have like he wasn't physically powerful. He actually mentions he's a coward. Did we do that one on the MCC where he kept saying he was a coward? We did, yeah. Yeah, so that's right. Um, yeah. So anyway, these are both strange, these are both like bishops in repose or dying. Yeah, this one looks like it's in decay almost or something. Yeah, then the next one is of something called Dame Bob Damien Loeb, who's kind of like uh odd thing, but this is a weird one to purchase, it's been resold since he died.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

The title is Little Miss Pink Tomato in 1995, and these are like teen, like I mean, Little Miss Pink Tomato. Is that like Pink Tomato? I don't I've never heard that before. Is that like a I don't know?

SPEAKER_02 14:46

I don't know. This is not something I would I would seek out and put in as little like three-year-old kids and uh girls in bathing suits in front of some kind of stage, like they're clearly on a stage set or something, but they're not like in an acting play, right? They're more on display than anything, and there's a tornado in the background.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

So I oh yeah, right, yeah, it's complete disaster in the background. I didn't even notice that right away because like the the children just is so disturbing. I didn't even notice the uh the chaos in the background.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Yeah, there's some somebody has some explaining to do about this one. Damien Loeb is an interesting guy, too. He was friends with Moby, he grew up with the artist Moby. Oh okay, yeah, and this is from Artnet, so like I can you can go on Artnet and see all this stuff, but uh I forgot the value of this painting, but it is interesting that oh, there it is forty to fifty thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

That's how much? Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

If you scroll down one more um thing you'll see there. Oh, here we go. Um, and then there's the infamous picture of Bill Clinton. You can see the EFTA number on the bottom right there. It's one of the earlier things when they investigated or broke in the mansion after they arrested him. This is one of the first pictures they took. And we'll see that there's a specific artist who did drew this. But this is right in the entryway of the mansion.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

I was just gonna say, is this the entryway to a room or because it just it hits you right away, right? Obviously, that's the whole point of the putting it there, because it just hits you like a punch in the face.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

The the corpse angel coming out of the sky is the central atrium in this huge mansion that's like it used to be a girls' school, and I don't even think Epstein used all the rooms, but if you walked in, you would see this thing. But if you walk down that corridor, the first door on the right, if you walked in, you would see Bill Clinton there pointing back at you. So this I don't know what this doorway was to. I do have a layout of the of the mansion, but it's like some kind of like antechamber, like there's a desk there, you can see that. Yeah, you've scrolled down. He's wearing the red shoes, right? That's a time to the pedestal brothers. Yes, like they'd be seen in this red shoe club or weird thing, just like Bill Mayer, who was like said he was going to the island. He used to walk around in like witch outfits with red shoes. Have you ever seen him wearing that?

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Bill Maher?

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Bill Mar, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Oh, I don't recall that. I don't think I'll see if I can find that.

SPEAKER_02 17:30

Let me see. I don't know if it's on this computer. Um, but it is some kind of weird club, like somebody's done some work on that the red shoe. I do have a picture of Bill Maher. Oh. Abstinence is a perversion. That's right. He's in the files. Like Bill Maher's in the files, yeah. In what regard? Right here. This is um somebody sent this to Jeff. If you pull up that that uh email, there it is. Abstinence is a perversion, Bill Marr. There's a I'll have to find my other stuff. He was talking about going to the island and stuff. These guys have all like covered everything up. They've scrubbed the internet too. Like, but these these emails don't lie. Why is that redacted? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

What was what was redacted? Who it was from? It was from, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Interesting. I'm seeing these pictures now that you're referring to him dressed up like a almost like a jester or like yeah, with a red shoe, yeah. With the red shoes, and then there's like, yeah, that one looks more like a witch, some sort of a witch guy. What's that about? Is that like uh yeah, let me pull them up for the viewers to see. Um oops. Um, like, yeah, what is that about? I mean, I I I I I listened to uh his show once in a while, uh, watch his podcast once in a while, but like, and I used to listen to his comedy when I was when I when I really love stand-up comedy when I first got into stand-up comedy, but like, what is going on there? Like, he's never mentioned that. He's I I think he's mentioned red shoes once. I think I've got him mentioned red shoes once.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Yeah, that's the pick. I think that the one with the red outfit he's wearing. And then there's one to the right of it where he's like literally walking with the red shoes, and he's a known guy. Like, there's stories of him at the uh Hefter Mansion. There's another one of him. There, yeah, that's not good. Yeah, there's another one of him where he's like in all there. It is that's the one, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Where he's in almost like magical attire, like and he's got the Kramer pimp hat going on, and the like he's dressed like a pimp witch. Well, okay, yeah. Like, is this a joke? This seems like a joke, but the like it almost doesn't like, yeah. What's going on there?

SPEAKER_02 20:09

These guys like their costumes, they like to dress up. So you'll see the costume stuff in Epstein. We uh have to go through the files, but there's him with the lot of like dress up. Oh, that's I didn't know he was Blue D. Allen. That's a real tell right there. He had him on the podcast, I think, last year, or it might have been this year, even this the the Epstein Network still exists, it's still functioning.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Oh, for sure, man. It's just like yeah, and it and it goes on the Joe Rogan show all the time, man.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Oh yeah, well, go why I mean, it's not just people from the Epstein Network, there's apologists who go on that show and deny anything happens. There are major, I don't know why they're well considered. I'm not gonna name their names, but there are journalists that go on there and just say it's moral panic. I'm not, I mean, it's unbelievable. Rogan, I I mean, wow, I don't know how I mean anybody with a brain, like, whoa, what are you doing? Like, yeah, I it's what have you been doing? Like, that's the most number one, most influential. I think Tucker Carlson's over overshadowed him, but uh yeah, yeah. I think Carlson's like has more listeners now, but I could be wrong. He's had some interesting people associated with the Epstein Network on ish. I mean, I could do it just like uh yeah, for sure. I know too much, like it's really bad. It's really, really bad. And these guys who are like supposedly working as journalists in the interest of the public are putting people on their shows that you wouldn't touch with a thousand foot foot pole, like literally a mile long pole. I would not touch, like literally interview them like they're normal, decent people. Wow, like you don't even know basic facts, like you should be better informed than that. Both Rogan and Tucker Carlson.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

What about the because I know they've been on both other. Show the Weinstein brothers because those guys are total frauds. Um, what are uh are there any Epstein connections?

SPEAKER_02 22:08

Go look up look up uh Eric Weinstein. Look up Eric Weinstein and look at his his opinion on the Epstein files. Yeah, yeah. I think he hasn't deleted his social media stuff, yeah. And then and then who's he uh connected to? Teal teal's in business with Epstein and talking to Epstein. The network is vast, guys. It's really you've been in you've been influenced people who've known this stuff has been going on for decades, and they're all in power, they're in Trump's administration.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Trump is one of them.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Trump is one of them, exactly, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Exactly. Yeah, it's all the it's all these circles that intertwine within a large they're all covering for each other, and it gets very dark.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

It's very eyes wide shut. It's very, I mean, eyes wide shut looks more and more like a documentary every freaking day, especially after you read through this stuff. But this is one aspect is this art, this kind of art stuff. So if you scroll down one more, this is the artist of Katrina Ryan Clyde. But she also did one about Obama with anga in the Elval Office. Yeah, that is that's a cauldron.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Is that is the so the person that did the website? You can order these prints. Okay, so the person that did the Obama one is the same person who did the other two.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

If you scroll down, that's her name, Petrina Ryan Cleve. This is her website. I just took a screenshot of her website.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

I wonder why. I just wonder why Epstein didn't have the Obama one, or I mean, maybe he did, but I you just thought we would have seen it by now.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Interesting.

unknown 23:42

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

It's interesting, they all speak pretty loud uh volumes about pretty interesting things for each of the three uh characters, right?

SPEAKER_02 23:55

It's uh I think there's like like from African kind of like um stuff, they're like their necklaces aren't just they're not just they are like magical implements, they're almost like prayer beads, like uh like a prayer, like somebody would have their rosary or something. So they have these things. I forgot the name of them offhand. Maybe somebody in the chat would know it, but I think he's wearing one of those, or like it has some kind of like magical meaning. Obama has it, by the way. Anyway, that's crazy. That's interesting. It is crazy, it's it's absolutely insane. And there's there's stories about him. There's a picture of him back on a couch back in the day, and somebody's analyzed the African um statuary that he had, or the African totem, and it's like been associated with black magic in Africa. Ah that's an old it's an old pick about 30, 40 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Uh Tara says it looks like a Hawaiian lay, like the literal Hawaiian ley.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Not the ones that it doesn't look flowery to me, but I mean that there's something somebody knows. There's somebody who knows this like old African occultism might know what this thing is called.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

Oh damn. Uh actually, sorry, let me just make sure. I'm looking up Hawaiian necklaces, and some like, yeah, they actually look kind of like uh not the flower ones, but yeah, they're coming up pretty similar.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Interesting. So uh yeah, so there you go. Tara's been there, so they use beads like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Maybe they're nuts. Okay, yeah, I got one here I'm looking at, and they look like nuts. It is nuts, yeah. Uh ku kui kukui nut, Hawaiian lay. So there you go. Could be something like that, maybe. Thanks, Tara.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Then he's got the uh I don't know, it looks like a vampire fan. Some sort of top of a jawbone or something. Teeth or something.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

And if you go down, this is the entryway into Jeff's mansion.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Yeah, okay, here we go. This is this is a well-known one.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Yeah, the opened up zebra. Yeah, pictures of uh you know flies or something. Black kid, it looks like on a bench, weird.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Yeah, that one the the black boy is uh disturbing.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

It's uh I mean if that boy could talk, I mean yeah, because people were filtering through there all the time. Jeff was always like an influence guy and trying to get people to come to his properties for whatever reason. So dinner plans, talking, come to the island. Like, there's always people like his uh assistants are always setting up lunch or dinner meetings. So I think that must have been like his uh that was how he ran his like operation is like get him over here first, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Slip them in, uh, fit him into a a lunch or dinner, a brunch. Uh you know, yeah, sure seems like it.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

Like that was the intro or the new person.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah. We went over the uh the house manual, I think last episode or two episodes ago, and uh yes, you know, and it had a lot about you know meeting new guests and dealing with new guests. So, yeah, I'm sure there was a protocol with uh people that I'm sure there was a a term whether they labeled them or not, but I'm sure there was a uh a category that these people were put into that you know, potential um I don't want to say prey because he's got his prey, but potential people that he wants to manipulate or do business with or learn from or associate with. Um, so yeah, like you said, let's fit him, you know, fit him in for a lunch or dinner, let's meet them, you know, uh shake something that they might like in front of him. Um yeah, I mean he always had like famous comedians if people like to laugh, you know, he's always got comedians around him because uh, you know, Epstein liked comedy, so we always had comedians or uh you know really smart people. Uh so it's like, oh, I know this guy, and you know, just just like a carrot and a stick kind of thing. Um, and you know, feel these people out and seeing like, okay, is this guy impressed with me? Is he manipulated? Can I manipulate him? And um, yeah, I'm sure he I'm sure he had a way of figuring out, you know, who he could move to what level of manipulation or what level of uh um communicating with or uh um socializing with. That's what I was trying to say. Um and he probably had all these different tiers of people and how much he could trust or how much he knew he could pull from them, or how much he could push and pull, and what buttons to press.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

So um yeah, figured out their kinks. He'd been doing it for decades. He had it down, like he had it down, the trafficking down, and then the um blackmail stuff. I think he understood the process. Get him there, maybe drug them, you don't know, like blink twice. They won't remember. If you remember, like the uh Godfather 2 when they wanted to blackmail the senator, they got him in kind of uh a whorehouse or something. He says, I don't even know what happened, so he clearly was drugged, and then they killed the girl and blamed it on him, you know. And they say, We'll clean it up. But they owned him, like if you remember that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

Man, uh so you don't you don't know, like I mean, the stories that have come out are so horrific that, in my opinion, these people were capable of anything, really. And I mean anything, I mean like killing kids and stuff. Anyway, if you want to scroll down one more. This was his kind of massage room at the uh mansion. The three pictures are totally redacted. Yeah, but this one is weird, like it's a picture of a woman, but she's clearly behind a curtain. Sorry, and then it's a picture of a woman, but you can tell that it's a movable curtain. That little uh maroon curtain is on a slide. So I think you could slide it forward and back, and uh, and she's also looking into a mirror, which is kind of like an occult type thing, you know.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Yeah, stare in the mirror gazing and stuff, yeah, through the looking glass kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Yeah, interesting how it's held up, too. On these, it's almost like they can uh uh like maybe there's something on the other side, they could easily flip it around.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

It's such an interesting choice, too. Like, I mean, it just I think that it just shows his personality, like this is what he wanted. This is where a lot of the crimes happened, is in this room, you know. Supposedly a sauna and a joining and a shower. What's that little white thing in the back? Like, what the heck is that? Is that like an electronic device? What the frickin' yeah, um recording device?

SPEAKER_01 31:53

What is it? I would I would just because it's all white, I would I would push, I would lean towards like medical or health related device, but geez, what is that? Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

I don't know if anyone anyone in the chat he clearly had a sonogram, like I've I've checked it out. He had one at uh little St. James in one of his rooms. There's no question about it. I mean, there are these high-level devices, you know. They seem to really want to put the girls together so they would get their haircuts and make sure, you know, they had their toenails done and all that stuff, and they had these things that are used in um cosmetics to like take away skin tags and like you know other things, but uh it's weird.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

It looks like like it almost looks like it's missing, like I just don't know what it is, but it just looks like it's missing something, like it, like there's another piece that I don't know. That's why I just think I maybe I'm not recognizing it, but maybe I just don't recognize it because I have absolutely no idea what it is. So yeah, I don't either.

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Oh, here we go. Yeah, the sacrilege stuff.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Yeah, this is a weird little station. Um, because the sink almost looks like it just reminds me of when I was a kid, and I actually went I went to a church once in a while. Um, with like my school would force literally force us to go to church. Um, and the holy water bowl, it just reminds me of that, and then with the cross, uh, and now I'm noticing all the locks on the cabinets, and that's really creepy as hell.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Yeah, it's just weird. Like he's not there's nothing in his thing that would show he was a Christian. So, what's up with all this icon iconography? Like he's aware of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

It's a pretty prominent little piece, too. It's not, you know, I don't know how expensive it might or might not be, but knowing him, I would think that it's worth at least a few thousand dollars, maybe it's very strange.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

And the next one is like praying, either Christ praying or somebody praying. Oh jeez, I haven't seen this one.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

This one is really when what's with the uh I don't know, were the fingers were the pinkies broken off? And like or are they like what's going on there? Do you see what I'm referring to there? I do yeah, that's weird.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

I wonder what that's about.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

The hair is really crazy, like it almost like the hairs make me think like is that Jesus? Because like this is like he's not usually depicted with such crazy hair cray oh and he's got this like um freaking uh leather lamp lampshade, like buffalo bill.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

Yeah, maybe maybe it's baby like uh scan. Who knows? Or uh it wouldn't I wouldn't even I wouldn't even blush, just go, yep, that's what he says. And then what's the um in his bathroom? If you go to the it's just plastic covering. I guess they must have covered stuff when they went to the case.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Oh, it's just like the phone, and like okay.

unknown 35:37

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Oh, yeah, here we go. This one this is his bathroom. He was into ballerinas, like he one of his pools of victims was from uh dancing schools, and you'll see some of the pictures in the picture sets that he has of ballerinas. So this was something that he had in his bathroom, which is kind of you know, it's weird for a bachelor, in my opinion, like to have this kind of weird iconography, like yeah, it's pretty that's pretty feminine. Yeah, it's just he's a strange guy, man.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Redacted in the background. He rocks head and shoulders, it looks like okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

Those are all the stuff we went through, the stuff they had, and you know, he had to have specific brands and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

That's right, I forgot about that. And just so, like for a rich guy, he's just using some of these brands he's using. It's just like it's so weird. My um, after our episode, uh my freaking uncle, I was seeing my uncle, and for some whatever reason he bought a thing of I can't believe it's not butter, and I'm like, oh my god, like you know, Epstein uses that, right? It was just hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Sprays it on his brand muffin and gets it warmed at 7 a.m. Crazy, man. Crazy. Specific, like uh recipe. This is on the uh the doorway, uh the hallway into his mansion. But I think it's interesting because that's his girlfriend at the time, Karina Shuliak. But it's just shows his egotism, you know. She's like up against his shoulder and he's kind of posing and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

Was this the one that he bribed into dental school? I think that was something that yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

Okay, Shuliak was her name. S-H-U-L-I-A-K.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

So yeah, that's an odd. It's just an odd photo, too, because it just it really like I know he has like the smaller framed photos around his desk and on the side tables, but like just to have a personal thing like that blown up, it just really clashes with all the other art. So it's it's a bull, yeah, it's a bold move. I don't know. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, it's something else.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

This is just a yeah, I've switched out of the um, I have to remix these things, but this is goes to the Zorro Ranch with kind of more I guess Spanish style art stylings.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

That's that one up there just reminds me of I's White Shut in the uh the pool table scene with all the family photos around it.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

Somebody in the um chat said there were six uh is it calls to arms or whatever, like a six coat of arms at the wall. I wonder where in Zoro Ranch that is. I've seen some of them. That's a picture of a nude in the bathroom that's um redacted. There's one that wasn't redacted that is Jeff's obsession with female anatomy, and that's what's pictured there. I'm surprised that isn't redacted. Like some of these other things get redacted, but a woman's boobs doesn't have to be.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

I guess because the nipples are technically covered, but I mean, yeah, there's another one.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

I don't know who this painting is, but like you see that they're taking the time to put proper frames on these things.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

Oh, for sure. That's uh I love these like just cheap tacky phones they have all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

I know, and they're dated, so like imagine these are yeah, you can tell this is the SDNY, that's the first feature. So this is from when they went in in 2019, so they still had these tacky phones lying around in the era of cell phones. It's interesting. Um, so that's also a picture of Little St. James, and that's pictured in Manhattan. So that's at uh mansion from hell on 71st Street, right off of uh Central Park. And then there's this is uh oh wow, here we go. Yeah, this is supposedly some depiction of some kind of Greek god, is what I've been told. I have to look more into this one, but just shows the decor and the wall and this odd picture. Maybe it could be a rabbi on this.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

And then there's like this trailer trash cheetah chairs that just like kills the vibe.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Jeez, yeah, that's uh he's got what are these like he's got these like instruments down there. It looks I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

Oh no, those are all those are all uh he's got like two, four, six. He's got like six or seven pairs of glasses uh underneath the gong there. That I thought they were like instruments, but yeah, that's crazy. He's he's wild with his glasses, he's got so many pairs of glasses got pairs of glasses everywhere. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

This is another massage room in I think the mansion, another picture of like a woman, but not yeah. Why isn't that redacted? That should be redacted to the FBI.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

That's weird. There's a shitty phone with some lube and a clock, lots of lube, not as much as Diddy, but still.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

Look at all these different creams and ointments, and and then there's that weird white thing to the right, like it's it's it's obstructing the view. If you go all the way to the right, that thing right there, that that little right-hand corner. Like, there it is again.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

What is another medical thing? Yeah, that's weird. That's odd. Oh, and this uh this photo. I'm just looking like to the side of the photo, it's like art supplies and stuff, so it looks like it's like a little uh uh a woman, young woman artist who's being like ravaged or something. Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

This is another one. This is, I think. What is this?

SPEAKER_01 42:10

I've never seen this one either. Potato Head or something, potato chip head. Holy cow!

SPEAKER_02 42:18

That's but imagine like you're coming into this place, it must be like disorienting, like you're in a house of horrors or something, like it's not pretty pictures of like pastoral scenes or pictures of Ansel Adams or just something like American, you know, backgrounds of American themes. These are all like distorted women in pain or looking in mirrors, like it's weird. Yeah, so that's another one. This one I've described later on in the set, but it's literally called coming of age, and he bought that and filled the whole wall, so that's at the mansion, too. You can see the SDNY number on there on the bottom, so that means they were filmed. This was filmed during the initial investigation before he was dead. Like, I've done a show on the MCC too, guys. You can check it out. He was killed in jail August 10th, I'm pretty sure. They just had today, actually, they had his um his jail guard, Tobin Noel, go into Congress to be um deposed.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Good, good. That's good. I don't know what's happening here. Yeah, I I want to hear from her.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

Well, there's a tip of the low. See, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

There's girls like uh inner tubing naked, that's at the thing. Yeah, there's uh pictures of Bill Gates with somebody redacted, so he took time to you know, put Bill Gates into a framed photo, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

And like these two other people are yeah, I wonder.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

That looks like Glain there, maybe the little one in there.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Look at he's so he's so fashionable. Hey, they got the photo of them walking away. Like, yeah, they're so too cool for school, man.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Yeah, that looks like Glaine out somewhere, like she's at the mansion, uh at the desert or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

Oh, there we go. That's Ghilaine TV, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

Geez, that's all these redactions are a mystery. I don't even have any idea.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

I know sometimes they are, and sometimes, like, you just have to say to yourself, like, did they just redact this for no reason, or was this a mistake?

SPEAKER_02 44:38

They took a picture of their scribblings on his chalkboard, and some people have seen, like, read some stuff into this. I don't know how valid it is. It clearly says power deception.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

Yeah, like some people, music, plants, political, intellectual, physical, financial powers, deception, truth. I don't know what that's appearance, appear, music, appear, music, time, those boxes, yeah, beauty, like it, yeah, matrix, like it's almost like and this is just like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:27

It does look like his handwriting.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

I think I think it's something like it probably means something, but I don't I don't I don't know if it's it could I don't know if much of it is something that could actually be uh deciphered. It could have just been he was giving a speech to some people or talking to some people, and he was just writing down a couple things like to just so they kept the certain points that he's trying to make in their head. I thought I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I mean this financial, physical, intellectual with political power, like that's okay. You can kind of you can kind of decipher that, but you don't know what he's referring to, and like these little diagrams, like I don't think like unless you know what he's talking about, you don't know what it's actually referring to, so but yeah, it's it's juicy stuff, especially when it first dropped.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

It was definitely interesting. It's got all these interesting little art pieces, too, or statues, or whatever you want to call them. What's that? That's a weird okay. That was Medusa at first.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

That's a hit. I think that on the far left, that's a head of uh Beethoven.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Oh, Beethoven, okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:37

I was like, I thought it was Medusa or Edgar Allan Poe at first, but I was like, no, that's not either pictures of girls and undress, dates of undress, get framed. Who knows who those are. And then the next one is somebody attached to Brunel. I've been reading more about Brunel. He was like an Epstein in France. Basically, he was drugging girls and raping them for decades, and uh died in jail in 2020, just like committed suicide, just like yeah, like so many Epstein similarities, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:09

It's just ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

And he this is another guy connected to Brunel. The first wife of Brunel was this woman, Helen Hogburg, whose favorite model. Okay, uh, was pictured by this guy, David Hamilton. This is Patricia Chai Briant from France, and this was just a whole show of like the inner what I the reason I screenshotted this is to show the kind of international connections to the art world, and this guy was kind of like an art artsy photographer, I guess you could say it, but you know, crazy man, young girls, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:51

Like there's the people that we there's the people that we know are involved in the sense that like you just the dots are pretty much connected, like the government just needs to do their fucking work and and put in the time and do it, uh, and grow some balls and do it. And then there's the people that like, okay, like I don't know, maybe, and then there's these, you know, the people that like we're just kind of hearing of, or we might never hear of that were involved, maybe even in one-off situations that you know, even though it was just one situation, like it could have led to the death or the ruining of the life of one of these girls or something like that. And it's um it's terrible to know that. Like, there's just so there's probably so many people uh that have committed at least one atrocious, atrocious act in this whole Epstein bullshit. Um and it's you know, it's just wild to think of.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

It's it's it's so vast, man. You know that they covered it up. They really, I mean, yeah, what they told the public was, I think, very well thought out, tested in like test groups or whatever, you know, they have control groups or whatever, right? Like, what are you guys gonna believe? Oh, Epstein was just a pedophile, and that's it. Okay, let's everybody raise their hand who's who thinks that that's a good idea, not to mention everything, you know, like these things, and then they just you know rolled them out to the public, and everybody was just like, Okay, just like um Bondi keeps saying it's on my desk. All the files from there's no way they're on her desk, right? They're too vast, there's terabytes of information. Like, there's do you know how many people were involved in the redacting? 500. Right. External third-party stuff, you know. This isn't me. This is a vast enterprise to cover up all the stuff. Look, it you can just, I mean, somebody should just go through and list the redactions on these files because you'll be like, how did they have time to do all these redactions within like a supposed year of obtaining the Epstein files, assuming that they were unredacted? And this is an assumption. We don't know, they're not telling us the facts, but assuming the redaction started when Trump came into office, which is what January 20th, 2025.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

Um, I think it was absolutely crazy. I think it was it's a massive cover-up, too.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

I think it was Ryan Dawson that told me that um based on a yeah, yeah, based on a um, oh I'm sorry, I for I forget. He was gonna say something about when they were started redacting and how they're they're still collecting Epstein files and stuff, but I I I can't exactly remember. But you're I think you're right that it's just ridiculous. Like, when did they really start redacting? Uh you know, what was you know, what was the whole thing there? And yeah, Ryan Dawson's in the files too.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

So right. I mean, it makes perfect sense. Some of the Johnny Vedmore's in the files. A lot of the people who've been researched at Epstein are in the files, so was Nick uh Nick Bryant, all these people, right? They were keeping an eye on him, and Epstein had like huge files of his own of articles about Julie K. Brown. He had a he had a lot of like Epstein had a lot of all of his like what was written about him. He knew it, he was watching it. He was aware of the Gawker suit, Gawker stuff when they released the Black Book. So the files divulged that he wasn't like not interested, he was watching it with an eagle eye, you know.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Yeah, I mean he was probably. I mean, like, yeah, he probably had people watching it for him and compiling them reports. Uh, I mean, I think some of the emails kind of show that that they're keeping them updated on certain things. Um obviously, I I think it seems clear that they had like bigger talks and debriefings offline, but it sounds like there's like little pieces of information that that are getting put into these emails, whether Epstein is okay with it or not. Uh, but yeah, they're they're passing some information on and keeping them updated. Um, so yeah, I I think he probably had, you know, it's a network, right? It's a whole operation, so I'm sure he had people just keeping them up to date, and he had all these people he could pay, you know.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

So he had his own entourage and lawyers and doctors and all this stuff. This is a list of all of his paintings. We've gone over a few of them. Katrina Ryan cried, Jorge Alvarez coming of age, Damian Loeb. There was other ones showering. Um of these have been sold. The next one is interesting. This kind of ties into the film analysis we did about only twice. Does that guy's face look familiar to you?

SPEAKER_01 53:00

I think so, but I don't know if I'm right. I don't know if I'm right.

SPEAKER_02 53:04

What what his name is Auguste Rodin, R-O-D-I-N, French guy. Well, probably one of the most accomplished modern sculptors of all time, of our time, of the 20th century, and did the thinker. So if you scroll down, you probably see his most famous sculpture.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Damn, he looks it's funny. He looks like uh, if you go online and you look at some of these like cringy alpha male red pill guys, Jim Meatheads, he kind of looks like what some of those guys do. He kind of does, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Like the beard and the yeah, like King Azure.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

It is interesting for a lot of reasons. So, what he what Epstein wanted to do was obtain one of his pieces, which we'll see in Blink Twice, and that's called the Gates of Hell. So if you scroll down, you can read that if you feel like reading it. Go for it.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

I spoke to a gentleman today from the museum rode in regarding the gates of hell. The museum really wants its pieces to be exhibited publicly. So if purchased, placed in a museum for all to see. If a piece is purchased for private use, it becomes complicated. The man wanted to know if you had anything to do with the person in Geneva who has also recently asked for a price and has interest in the gates of hell. I requested this gentleman please give me a price, and he said he can only give me an idea of a price as it is up to the board of trustees. They give the final price. You must send a written letter to the director of the board for this. It's a process, but finally, you gave me an idea of a price as 22 to 25 million euros. The man said he had he had received my emails as well and would some respond back with synopsis of this information. I've yet to receive it. I sent another email to him. Uh to Jeffrey Epstein from uh it's redacted, right? But it says M Avari, and you could kind of see. I mean, I kind of see at Yahoo. I think that's at Yahoo.something. I don't know, but you can't see it.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Muse.fr. That's what it looks like. Oh, okay. Fr for France or Rodan for the right, thank you. Okay, so there you go.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

You'll probably follow up with that guy. This is 2015, so it's not that long ago. But he's saying he'll sell this piece for 22 to 25 million. It's a it's we'll see here that it's a remarkable piece. If you kind of scroll into this one, you'll see further things being discussed. Hughes Herpin sent something to to Jeff. Like, why is this redacted? Like it shouldn't forwarded to Jeff. But this is not like something about sex trafficking, it's about art. Like, why is there like such a joke? This is a true government job, man. It's a total joke. But it says here, um, yesterday, as discussed yesterday, this is Hughes Herpan, maybe. As discussed yesterday, I confirmed several points concerning the gates of hell. Original casts are legally limited to 12 casts, eight of casts have already been made. It means that the musée Rodin still has the possibility to make four casts. You have to send a letter to Madame Chevillot, director of Musée Rodin, precising what will be the place and the conditions of the existing exhibition for the piece. As I've told you, the item is generally reserved for public exhibition. It takes three years to cast it after signing a contract with a firm order from the purchaser. Usually the payment has to be done in three parts according to the schedule of casting. It means one-third with the order, one-third second year, one third when it's finished. Do not hesitate to contact me. So all the details are being exchanged about these gates. Like it's not, and then there's if you scroll down, there's another one. Somebody sends it to Jeff. I've spoken with the Rodin Museum. They've asked me to please send an email to Madame Avar, Rhea Price for the Gates of L have emailed her, and we'll call the museum again tomorrow. And then they have her there now. So they redacted her earlier email, right? You can see it pretty clear to here. This is shows you what a joke job this is. Um, but he's in there. You can see Jeff wrote something out about the New York Times recasting Rodin's life and work, right? Call the museum and find out how much for the gates of hell. That's his direct order from Jeff. And this is in, if you scroll down one more, that's what the gates of hell looked like. And this picture was in the files. You can see the EFTA number. Let's see it on the bottom right. So it's in the Epstein files, EFTA 00255405. This is the one in Palo Alto, so it's at Stanford University.

SPEAKER_01 57:59

And so sorry to sorry to interrupt. So this is this is actually interesting. So they have them, and this is from this is from France, right?

SPEAKER_02 58:12

Well, Rodin was in France, but I'm sure the casting is done through the Museum de Roday, Rodin, okay, which contained all of his you know castings and materials, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

So they have the they have the mold or the cast, and they're and that's interesting, they're legally only allowed to to make 12. Have you heard of anything like that before?

SPEAKER_02 58:36

That's really some like there's some rules or something. The artist will set the rules. So, like, okay, I print I made this art, and but I only want 50 prints done. I want to limit the prints, and then if he dies, then and then there's like they print them out, and then they they put the number of the prints out one, two, three, four, five on the back for whatever reason. Like, I don't want it for mass distribution.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

It's just interesting to see that. Uh, because yeah, I've seen and I, you know, I have items that are like limited editions, so I totally get that. But just to see like it to be like a big thing like this, and just the fact that like it's limited edition, and some still aren't even made yet, and some might not even ever be made, it's just that's just that's really interesting. I've never uh yeah, that's cool. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

I think Rodan understood the importance of his work, like how famous he really was. Yeah, man. And if you see that if you see the gates of hell, what he did is he integrated smaller casts from his other works into this art piece. So at the very centerpiece overlooking the gates of hell is the thinker, right? It's the same style, and then above that are the three shades. See the three shades over that. Remember that. Etch that into your memory.

SPEAKER_00 59:56

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

And some of the smaller, like uh bodies and stuff are are pieces from other of his pieces, but I included all of the pictures because it's like a picture set, like either, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Either Rodan or Ghilaine or somebody walked around that that uh it's an open air statuary kind of garden and took a bunch of pictures. And then on the very bottom is one called Fallen Karyotted carrying her stone, which you'll see a piece of that is in I think it's in the upper right hand side of the gates of um gates of hell. It's actually in there this kind of the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Keep going?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:03

No, scroll up more, scroll up more.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

Oh, sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:07

That right there. So that's the fallen caryat under the weight of a stone, broad sculpture, bowed under the crushing weight of a massive stone slab, symbolizing burden, suffering, and human struggle against overwhelming forces. Um, so that's into indicated in the gates of hell. So that's in Palo Alto. It's interesting, those are the only two pictures that's there's like 30 or 40 pieces of Rodin in this sculpture, but these are the only two pictures that were photographed for Epstein or whatever, whether he took the pictures or somebody else did there. Those are the only ones that are in his um picture sets. And then if you scroll down, there's actually an Aleister Crowley connection because he wrote a book about Rodin and did some art for it. It's called Seven Lithographs from the Watercolors of Augusto Rodin with a chaplet of verse by Alice Trick Crowley. You can actually buy the book uh from Pfizer Antiquarian Books.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

That's okay, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

That's uh you can read what Crowley wrote about Rodan too. If you go to slide 50 54, I think. I don't know if you want to read that poem.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:25

Right? Yeah. Here's a man for the world to see. His work stands shaming nature, clutched combined, in the soul still center of a master mind, the Egyptian force, the Greek simplicity, the Celtic subtlety, through suffering free, the calm, great courage of new art refined, in nervous majesty indwells behind the beauty of each radiant harmony. Titan, the little centuries drop back, back from the contemplation, stand and span with one great grip of his cup, the zodiac, distill from all time's art his wine, the truth. Drink, drink the mighty health, and ages youth. Salute Augusta Roden. Here is a man.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

Yeah, so that's Crowley about him. Then if you go down to Crowley wrote that one, Crowley wrote that one. Yeah, that was his verse.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:33

If you go to 55, this is um another thing that Jeff wanted was uh uh one more.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

Oh, sorry. 56?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:44

Oh it's my 56, actually. Yeah, that's a picture called the Massacre of the Innocents. Yes, okay. That was the one that depicts the killing of all the on the two-year-old or under children of Bethlehem to kill the Messiah. So he wanted that a nine by nine to be put right in the entryway into Hell Ranch, into the Zoro Ranch. And that's actually from this is a picture from um the Epstein uh information. You can see the EFTA number there on 57. And it's really pretty vicious, like this is a pretty vicious story about the slaughter of the innocents, you know. Massacre of the innocent, slaughter of the innocents, whatever. Wow. Do you want to read um from Matthew 2? Do you want to read from Matthew 2? Did you hear that?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

Yeah, sorry, I'm just looking for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:29

Uh right there. It's uh it's 58. Yeah, it's 58. That's Matthew 2. The Maggie visited the Messiah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, two. There it is. I'm sorry, woman. Uh, after Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, Where's the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him. When King Herod heard this and was Disturbed uh when he heard this, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. In Bethlehem in Judea, they replied, for this is what the prophet has written. But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah, for out of you will come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel. Then Herod called the Magi, Magi, secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. He sent them to Bethlehem and said, Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me so that I too may go and worship him. After they heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshipped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route. They escaped to Egypt. When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. Get up, he said, take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child and kill him. So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night, and left for Egypt, where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet, Out of Egypt I called my son. When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity in Bethlehem and its vicinity, who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled. A voice is heard in Rama weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted because they are no more.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:35

So that's the picture that he wanted. That's what he wanted. Jeez. If you scroll down like to um 61, you'll see Sarah Kellen was one of the kind of close, like I guess she was his assistant. She's like, Hey Rich, Jeffrey's asking if you can FedEx the painting he had made of the Massacre of the Innocents to the ranch. It's the large 9x9 canvas that we had rolled out for him to see in the entryway where they are killing babies, like they knew they were killing babies.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:03

Wants to use it on the ranch and is hoping good FedEx to arrive by Wednesday. Thanks, Sarah. July 10th, 2011. Damn. Get this. One of the interesting things is that he did the purchase of the massacre of the innocents on the day that is celebrated in the Catholic Church for them the remembrance of the massacre of the innocent.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

Oh my come on.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

So, like, is he like he literally had the date right? Like, okay, let's buy this. Let's put it in.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:40

Is he mocking or is he playing with energy there or both? Or like, what is that about, man?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:45

It's a very occult thing to do. Like, get the date right, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:49

Yeah, man. That's okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:54

That's crazy, man. That's freaky as hell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:01

It's crazy. I'm trying to figure out the date, like it was in this thing. And then scroll down all the way to um this guy's face. Go to 65. That's a guy by the name of um Andreas Serrano.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:24

He look he almost looks familiar.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:27

Well, do those album covers look familiar? Metallica? Oh, for sure, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:31

I used to be a big I like I like Metallica and I know, yeah, I know about these covers. Yeah. That's the artist who designed those covers. Okay, gotcha. Interesting. So this guy must load and reload.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

It's this guy. And then if you scroll down, we're kind of we are at the hour 10-minute mark. If you scroll down, scroll down, that's called Piss Christ. And this like went crazy. It had a lot of like um interest in the media and the the cultural right, I guess, with moral majority really went berserk over this because it's a crucifix in in urine, and it's weird too, because Jeff had this crucifix in the mansion. We saw that earlier, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:13

Hmm, right, yeah, yeah. So I understand that the uh like for reload, I I I forget what it is exactly, but isn't it? It's like uh goats urine and blood. I don't remember. It's urine and blood, yeah, yeah. But so what is like how did do you know how this picture was treated with urine or whatever? Like, like I just don't I don't understand, like uh, or is is it not really urine? Is it just called that?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:49

Well, that's what he said. That's what Serano said. So I'm assuming that's what it is that he took a picture of it that way, but it would be in line with his other work. If you see his other work, he's totally like a deviant or transgressive artist, I think is accurate.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:07

I think I think some of these people, uh honestly, I think some of these people just use art as an excuse to just be complete fucking deviants, yeah. And uh some of them may maybe this guy's like that, maybe not, but some of them get lucky enough to have people like Podesta or Jeffrey Epstein or James Elephantis or some other rich freaks buy your work, or maybe a bag band like Metallica hears about you and they get you to do some album covers and you get some work. But you know, I mean, I think some of these people are just straight up deviants and they're using art as an excuse. And then once they kind of um get into the art world, then they just they they blend in and they they they they learn the lingo and and how people think and uh and it and what to expect from him them, and they um they just play that part. That's that's what I think. Uh and again, I don't know if this guy's like that, but some of this art you see it, and it's like, okay, like what the fuck is the matter with you, man?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:15

It's like Abramovich, you know, her art is the intro into her ideas, you know. Right publication. So this is another one. This is the Pieta, which we'll see in the Blink Twice slides once we get those. We'll finish out with the pink blink twice slides. Cool, but uh, this is the same kind of theme. But this was a showing he did in 2012, the same kind of like you know, sac sacred, sacrilegious thing of uh urine and these religious icon iconography. One of the interesting things that ties Serano to Epstein is they traded this Madonna statue, and if you scroll down one more, I think it's 71. So they got this sculpture in 2018 exchange for Epstein's portrait. So Serrano was one of the last people to take a portrait or picture of Jeffrey Epstein, which I think we'll see. I think I have it on this, yeah. So this is the guy, Serrano. This is him, okay. This is from 2022. This guy looks a fucking freak too, man. He um, this is from I think Vanity Fair.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:22

It's like a David Vinchwanaby or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:25

This is the the, I mean, if you read the whole title, the artist the Madonna and the last known portrait of Jeffrey Epstein and his work, Andres Serrano, has long made art out of provocation. Yeah, now sharing the details of how shortly before Epstein's arrest and death in 2019 he acquired a 16th century Madonna statue from the financier. So it's really about it. And then there's that last picture, is that right there?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

Yeah, I've never seen this until you sent it to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

And I was wondering the title of it's infamous. Infamous, of course, it is. So I think Epstein knew his notoriety, like he reflects it in his like emails, like the one like he got some email from some girl, like she's doing a show on some guy who's a notorious fixture and pedophile in New York City, and blah blah. And then Epstein writes back, that guy's me. Like he's me.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:19

Yeah, man. Yeah, he and then if you watch some of the um, I think if you watch even just a bit of the Bannon interviews, either at either one of the different Bannon interviews, um, you can tell you can start catching on that okay, he's he's leaning into this. Maybe well, sorry, he's not necessarily leaning into it, but he's accepting it, and they're trying to they're trying to plan out a future where it's it's it's okay to be Jeffrey Epstein. And um, and yeah, he knew he was an evil guy and a sick guy, and uh not a good very rare he was always trying to hide, like he was always trying to move and yeah his nickname was his own personal nickname was sneaky, like that's the way he thought of himself.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:05

Sneaky jump sneaking around. Interesting tie between Serrano and Donald J. Trump, our current president, believe it or not. He is the next one. This is an article from one of these art mags. I think it was uh which one was it? I forgot. You have to look artnet again, which I rarely read, but this is I have a strong stomach. Artist Andre Serrano explains why he spent $200,000 on Trump stakes and other Trump memorabilia on eBay. And that picture of Trump in the background behind Ego is by none other than Andre Serrano. So there's a connection between Epstein and Trump through this guy deviant artist. And I don't think he Trump ever, this was like uh I don't think Trump ever complained about this. Like this was this was like hurrahs, Trump Serrano never got sued, is what my point.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:02

Yeah, and and it's interesting because of how much Trump, the Trumps in general, uh, especially Don, like suing people.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:11

So yeah, I think he's involved in like 50 suits right now, like just constantly.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:15

Oh, yeah, just fucking that's his game, man. Yeah, that's his game. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:20

Um, if you scroll down to 76, you'll see that Serrano bought a piece of their wedding cake and a like uh some kind of wedding thing. It says MJD, right? Melania, oh MTD. So it's Melania and Donald Trump thing. The game, all thing Trump. It was the title of the display, and then in 77, that's a picture that that's such a weird picture. That's like yeah, these art net type things, they have a lot of insights. Like a lot of people don't see this. Is another, yeah. This is another one lesser known, tied to Epstein, a guy by the name of uh David A. Ross, who was friends with him, who sent emails. But he was the former director of the MOMA of Modern Art in San Francisco, and he said, Files reveal. I'm still proud to call you a friend, Jeff. And then he got canned. This is one of the people who got canned after all this stuff came out. That's fucking ridiculous. But I think he was he sent the email after his conviction. Oh, there it is at the bottom. It said 81. It's from 2015. Subject sad, sad Jeff. Jeffrey, it is depressing to see how you're once again being dragged through the mud. I'm still proud to call you a friend. I know you are strong, but still. Hope up we can catch, hope we can catch up sometime soon. Cheers, David.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:01

Like, it's unbelievable. The thing sometimes the things they say, like this one's pretty blatant. It's depressing to see how you are once again being dragged through the mud. It's just like, oh Jeff, why are they doing this to you, buddy? Like, I don't get it, man. Like, this world is so corrupt.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:18

Like, it's just trafficked thousands and thousands of children and ruined their lives, and had child porn filmed at your mansions, and blackmailed thousands of politicians, and poor Jeff, you know, supported the most depraved stuff imaginable. It's poor you, Jeff, you victim. Subject sad. Can you read uh number 82? This is interesting. It's two, it's from this guy, David Ross to Epstein. Okay, 2001.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:49

Uh to David Ross from Epstein, Roman Polanski's attorney, uh, attorney or attorneys are coming to see me. I might want to fund an X exhibition entitled Statutory Girls and Boys Ages 14 to 25, where they look nothing like their true ages. Juvenile mug shots, Photoshop, makeup. Some people go to prison because they can't tell true age, controversial, fun. Maybe it should be a web page with hits tallied.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:34

So Jeff wants to fund something that's provocative called statutory, or that's confusing to tell what the ages of the kids are. Like he literally sending it to this guy who's the head of the Museum of Modern Art in 29, 2009. I don't know when he was the head of the Museum of Modern Art.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:52

This guy allegedly is obviously like just a fucking freak, too. Why would he be talking to him about this?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:00

Okay, now read the read the next one because it gets worse.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:03

Roman Polanski's lawyers of all people, so they they know exactly how to handle pedophile freaks, uh, who have who are uh elites. That's amazing. So here we go. Two Jeffrey Epstein.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:15

This is the three people, yeah. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:16

Uh to Jeffrey Epstein from David Ross. Um, let's talk today. I'll call you. When would be good for you? Uh you are incredible. This would be a very awful and free powerful and freaky book. Do you know that total porno commercial kitty picture of blank that Richard Prince appropriated for an expedition in the early 1980s? Yes, they closed it off in the London show.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:50

Straight from Epstein, and four minutes later he knew exactly what it was. Yeah, you're right. Epstein shoots it back. Yes, they closed it off in the London show.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:59

This is 9 a.m. And yeah, you're right. You sent that at 9 a.m. and then 9.04 a.m. Epstein right away. Yes, they closed it off in the London show. Uh and then later in the day, yeah, later that day. Uh, and yes, this should be a web-based exit. Holy shit, yes, this should be a web-based exhibition, totally global and totally open as a 2.0 platform for the ranting of everyone. Holy crap, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

So they want to have a statutory exhibit with this total porno commercial kitty picture of blank, who they don't know, but we know who Richard Prince is, and they want it to be totally global and open the platform. So they're basically enticing people, in my opinion. The conclusion is they're enticing people into a age-confusing display called statutory, right? Oh, yeah, that's what they're talking about. That's what Jeff and David Ross are talking about. Now, now scroll down one more. This is probably way before your time, but I remember this this whole hubbub. And it was about a picture of a very pubescent sexualized makeup, right? Kind of like John Bonet Ramsey or something, of Brooks Brooke Shields. And you can say the original photograph of Brooke Shields by Gary Gross, which Richard Prince used in his artwork displayed at the Tate. He just mentioned it. The Tate is a gallery in London. So they know Epstein knew this whole thing. Yeah, he knows what the Jesus. There it is. And then you can just go and they close it off in the London show. Come on. So I only have about five more minutes. Maybe this is called coming of age. Okay, we can see. I mean, it's just so much. Oh, yeah. He's associated with so much degenerate art. It's really off the charts.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:04

Oh, yeah, that's the shrimp.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:06

That was ridiculous. Go to the blink twice slides, will you? Cool. This ties in, like we did the blink twice episode, right? And I showed you the different things. Go to the first one if you can. Oh, this was something that popped up recently, was this degenerate art of Dana White that uh depicts a yakuza in very intimate contact with a Japanese female prostitute. That's up on his wallets in the background that was shown recently. And next to it is another picture of like a young girl with blue butterflies that I did a show called the blue butterfly about one of the Epstein victims. Name I can't remember. Sarah McCarthy wrote the book about her. Yeah, there's just so many victims, God. Um, anyway, this is just like another piece of deviant art, in my opinion. Like, this is it. Like this guy, the other thing that's interesting is he didn't mind it, it was in the background, like he was showing it off. He didn't go, like, hey, maybe we should rope this off and not see the let the public see all this stuff. Like, nope, I just this is it. This is me. That's unbelievable. Like, it is unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:21

Like, this must have been like a UFC event, right? Like a belt unveiling.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:25

There was the the reason was there was some kind of special belt that they were putting out that was really ornate, and they were trying to show it to Dana White. Okay, so then um, this is a scene. This is from the entrance, the beginning scene sequence in Blink Twice. Do those three shades look familiar to you? Yeah, those were on the very top of the gates of hell. This is the intro scene to Blink Twice. That's it. So then it starts off with these shades in the background, and she's talking to that guy, Slater King, or whatever, and then the uh the whole thing. If I watched it again, not the whole movie, but this the the name of the movie comes from the sequence with Rodan in the background because McLaughlin responds to her. She says to him, blink twice if I'm in danger. And he takes his glasses and he blinks twice. And that's where the the whole name of the whole film comes from is this blink twice. Blink twice if I'm in danger. So that's the sense of danger in the background, and that's the danger that all the victims went through. They literally went through danger stuff, and then at the very end of the film, this guy who named the movie Blink Twice, his character's name is like Mr. Dr. Klein or something like that. He walks out to see the girl who is now the you know, she's flipped the script or whatever, and he walks out in front of a depiction of it's not depiction, it's one of the eight casts of the of the gates of hell. It must be right, yeah. 100%. And so one of the people in the in the I think it was terror or somebody or Diana said that you had the museum this is from. Somebody sent email me the info of where this museum was where this was shot and at what museum. Maybe it was shot in Mexico or uh the Pegasus Museum. I couldn't find it online, but it is fascinating that this film that kind of depicts the little St. James kind of events with amnesia and abuse of women has a tie to reality. And in um Epstein is interest in the gates of hell. And there's the thinker right back there in the bottom back right. This is the final scene. This is the final I've seen. You can see them all clapping for her. Forgot her name and character. I think it was can't remember, but like this is where it all ends.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:10

We're gonna uh we're gonna have to we'll get together still and and we'll do a deeper dive on this movie. And uh Under a Silver Lake, we'll still we'll still be.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:19

I know Under a Silver Lake pretty well, but this is also the interesting you just saw the Pieta and the in Under Urine and this uh religious iconography that Epstein Addie wasn't a Christian in any way, shape, or form, was Jewish, and that kind of repetitive that kind of uh religious iconography or whatever in this film, too. This film blink tries pretty wild, wild stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:47

Crazy man, that's it. Well, man, this was uh damn William. Uh I I really enjoyed this, man. I know I I probably say that almost every time or every time, but uh this was awesome, man. Uh I can't believe uh shit. The time has just flown by. So uh thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:06

This is the tip of the iceberg, it's worse. There's stuff all over like little St. James, like it's almost like a like a parade of like black deviant art all throughout all of his properties. Like he did not go soft. A lot of egotism and pictures of new naked kids and stuff like that. Like, it's really something else, but yeah, whoever's in the chat who knows what uh museum that scene was. I could probably find it out. I could probably AI it but wherever that art gallery was with all the Rodan, that would be important for me to know. So if somebody can email that to me, it's William Ramsey Investigates at gmail.com. It's the best place to contact me, and also my website uh my podcast is William Ramsey Investigates, my website's William Ramsey Investigates. I have five books, five documentaries on Patreon.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:55

That's basically yeah, I got all the books up there, so definitely check them out. Um, and yeah, man, I'll definitely be in touch. We'll get together again, and um, yeah, this was awesome, man. Again, I'm glad you like it. So thanks again.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:09

Thank you. Thanks for having me. Glad to be glad to be with you. All right, peace. Thanks, William. All the best care. You too, likewise.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:16

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SPEAKER_00 1:34:48

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SPEAKER_01 1:34:51

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