

      <h2 id="reaching-lost-people-childhood-outfits"><a class="no-underline" href="#reaching-lost-people-childhood-outfits">Reaching Lost People, Childhood Outfits</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>1:05</time>
      <p>
          And   so   you   know ,   they   spent   about   three   years   with   people   that   were   known   as   the   Kuikkas   or   the   Kuikukkas   I   don&#39;t   know   how   you   even   say   that   and   then ,   after   that ,   you   know   they   had   started   reaching   them .   They   started   coming   to   the   Lord ,   and   then   his   ultimate   goal   of   reaching   the   Akkas   was   realized ,   and   so   they   start ,   you   know ,   flying   over   there .   Now   you   have   to   remember   these   people   were   hardly   touched   by   civilization .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>1:29</time>
      <p>
          So   while   he   got ,   when   Jim   and   Elizabeth   Elliott   and   the   rest   of   the   crew   got   to   Ecuador   at   first   they   were   just   there   to   reach   lost   people   in   general   and   in   the   process   of   learning   the   language   and   understanding   the   land ,   they   hear   about   sort   of   almost   like   old   wives&#39;   tales ,   that   there&#39;s   this   tribe   out   there   that   nobody   can   get   to ,   that   nobody   can   reach ,   that   if   you   get   close   they&#39;ll   attack   you .   And   his   response ,   while   everyone   else   is   like   stay   away   from   them .   Like   the   Elliott&#39;s   response   was   that&#39;s   where   the   Lord   wants   us ,   not   away   from   danger ,   but   into   danger .   Not   because   they   were   adrenaline   junkies ,   but   because   what   they   heard   were   there   are   people   out   there   who   are   lost .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:13</time>
      <p>
          You   guys   are   obviously   familiar   with   the .   Where   are   they   now ?   Articles   and   documentaries   that ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>2:20</time>
      <p>
          regularly   pop   up   online .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:21</time>
      <p>
          They   can   be   very   cruel ,   annoyingly   so   sometimes ,   yeah ,   but   my   mind   recently   went   on   a   where   is   it   now ?   Journey   Like .   Where&#39;s   that   funky   little   outfit   that   I   wore   in   that   picture   of   me   at   Disneyland   when   I   was   five   years   old ,   the   one   that   had   the   apples   on   it   and   looked   like   a   matching   pair   of   underwear   and   undershirt   that   my   mom   dressed   me   up   in ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>2:39</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   we&#39;ve   always   wondered   about   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:41</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   a   true   story .   Yeah ,   it   was   me   standing .   Winnie   the   Pooh   is   somewhere   next   to   me   and   I&#39;m   wearing   these   tight   you   guys   remember   under-roos .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>2:49</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   yeah ,   they   were   like   those .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:51</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   but   I   looked   like   I   was   literally   wearing   the   shortest   pair   underwear   and   tight   little   undershirt   with   little   apples   on   it   A   couple   years   ago   Last   year   actually   and   I   had   to .   In   my   mind .   I   thought   you   know   what ?   This ,   that   beautiful   little   outfit ,   has   to   be   somewhere ,   right ,   even   if   it&#39;s   buried   and   decomposing   in   a   dump   somewhere ,   it&#39;s   got   to   be   somewhere .   And   so   here&#39;s   a   brilliant   quote   that   you   can   attribute   to   me   for   all   time   Listen ,   listen   really   closely .   Everything   is   somewhere .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>3:24</time>
      <p>
          That   is   really   profound .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:27</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   so   you   kind   of   have   everything .   Where   would   you   put   it ?   Everything   is   somewhere .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:31</time>
      <p>
          I   love   that .   But   you   guys   ever   seriously   wonder ,   like   where   in   the   world   is   that   thing ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:35</time>
      <p>
          When   you   said   that   were   you   legitimately   like   amazed   with   yourself .   Ah ,   it   was   like   wow ,   when   you   were   sitting   in   your   car   and   you&#39;re   like   everything   is   somewhere .   Oh   well ,   I   this .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:44</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it   was   like   I   looked   to   the   right ,   to   the   left ,   in   front   of   me ,   behind   me ,   and   then   I   just   real   quickly   patterned   myself   that&#39;s   good ,   yeah ,   everywhere   is   somewhere ,   now   everything .   Oh ,   thank   you ,   oscar   For   seeing .   Oscar   memorized   my   quote ,   and   that&#39;s   unfortunate .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:02</time>
      <p>
          But   we   can   start   over .   No ,   no ,   no ,   no ,   no .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:05</time>
      <p>
          I   were   only   two   minutes   in   the   profundity   of .   That   is   just   absolutely   glorious .   But ,   yeah ,   the   guys .   Come   on ,   though .   You   have   to   admit ,   you   look   back   at   pictures   sometimes   and   you&#39;re   like   what   did   my   parents   do   to   me ?   Pinterest ,   pinterest ,   don&#39;t   you   guys ?   Though ,   look   at   pictures   at   times   and   think   what   in   the   world ,   why   did   they   dress   me   this ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:23</time>
      <p>
          way .   Why   was   my   hair   like   that
      </p>

      <h2 id="meaningfulness-of-pictures-and-personal-anecdotes"><a class="no-underline" href="#meaningfulness-of-pictures-and-personal-anecdotes">Meaningfulness of Pictures and Personal Anecdotes</a></h2>


        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:25</time>
      <p>
          ?   I   was   a   this   comedian   came   on   somewhere   the   other   day   and   it   was   like   a   two   minute   clip   and   they&#39;re   like ,   you   know ,   you   think   about ,   like   you   think   what   the   pictures   are   grandparents   take .   And   when   they   like   show   you   the   pictures ,   it&#39;s   like   wow ,   that&#39;s   you   like   meeting   the   vice   president .   Wow ,   that&#39;s   like   you   graduating   from   college .   And   he&#39;s   like   think   about ,   like ,   what   our   great   grandkids ,   when   we   show   them   pictures   like ,   wow ,   that&#39;s   what   you   ate   for   lunch   that   day .   Wow ,   that&#39;s   the   pair   of   shoes   that   you   got .   The   meaningfulness   of   pictures   today   are   so   much   less   than   the   meaningful   pictures   back .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:00</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   you   were   careful   what   you   took   pictures   of   back   in   the   day   because   you   knew   you   had   24   shots .   Yeah ,   that   you   would   hope   we&#39;re   going   to   come   out   Okay .   I   mean   again ,   our   kids   are   so   disconnected   from   this .   I   don&#39;t   know   if   my   kids   have   ever   seen   like   one   of   the   old .   I   mean ,   I   mean   I   well ,   they&#39;re   good .   My   daughter   is   a   thing ,   my   daughter ,   kylie ,   has   a   Polaroid ,   but   but   I&#39;m   talking   like   the   old   film .   You   know   cameras   that   you   would ,   my   son   still   use   those   old   school   all   the   time .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>5:25</time>
      <p>
          Our   kids ,   our   kids   use   them   too .   Why ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:27</time>
      <p>
          Because   they   don&#39;t   have   phones .   Is   it   now   like   let&#39;s   go   back   to   our   kids ,   don&#39;t ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>5:30</time>
      <p>
          have   phones ,   so   when   they   go   on   camping   trips   and   stuff ,   we&#39;ll   buy   them   like   a   disposable   camera   and   they&#39;ll   take   pictures   and   then   we&#39;ll   have   it   developed .   Wait ,   they   still   have   disposable   cameras .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:39</time>
      <p>
          You   guys   know   nothing .   You&#39;ve   heard   of   a   brownie   box .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>5:41</time>
      <p>
          A   brownie   box .   Is   that   a   box   for   brownies ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:44</time>
      <p>
          No ,   no ,   no .   This   is   a .   This   is   before   the   cameras   that   you   guys   talked   about .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:47</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   not   when   they   would   put   the   blanket   over   their   head   and   no ,   that   was   after   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:51</time>
      <p>
          It   was   a   little   black   box ,   that   it   was   by   Kodak   and   that   was   the   first   really   domestic   camera .   Is   that   the   one   that   went ?   No ,   no ,   you&#39;re   thinking   of   a   race   car   You&#39;re   bringing   out   memories .   I&#39;ve   just   remembered   no ,   no ,   I   just   remembered .   My   parents   had   a   picture   of   me   dressed   as   a   jockey .   What   as   a   jockey ,   really ?   We   got   to   get   this   picture   up ,   so   please ,   ray ,   you   got   to   show   me   that   one .   Yeah ,   I   just   remembered   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:18</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   no ,   but   but   seriously ,   though ,   our   kids   are   disconnected   from   that .   But   remember   you   would   take   your   film   in   to   get   exposed   and   then   you&#39;d   get   like   five   pictures   where   it&#39;s   all   blurry   or   like   you   know ,   strobed   as   you&#39;re   like   passing ,   yeah ,   but   yeah ,   I&#39;ve   got   a   thousand .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:33</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   funny .   I   was   telling   Summer   and   Mathias   the   other   day   I   said   I   have   over   a   thousand   pictures   in   the   album   I   created   for   my   grandson ,   Haddon ,   on   my   phone ,   Just   of   yourself ,   and   they   laughed   at   me .   I   love   my   grandson .   I   love   my   grandson   Speaking   of   dressing   up .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:47</time>
      <p>
          No ,   but   real   quick ,   Oscar   is   that   a   way   of   saying   shut   up   yeah ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:51</time>
      <p>
          that&#39;s   the .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>6:52</time>
      <p>
          Christian   way   of   saying   shut   up .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:53</time>
      <p>
          Is   there   a   nice   way   to   say   shut ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>6:54</time>
      <p>
          up   you   just   did   it   Seriously .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:57</time>
      <p>
          Hey   bro ,   can   you   please   say   shut   up   real   quick .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:59</time>
      <p>
          No ,   you   can&#39;t .   There&#39;s   no   nice   way ,   right ,   you   could   separate   the   words .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>7:02</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   you   could   say   Ray   taught   me   that   you   can   really   can   say   anything   as   long   as   you   finish   it   up   with   precious .   When   talking   to   the   wife   Shut   up   precious .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:09</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   it   I   do   that   often   Anyway ,   mathias   and   Summer   they   posted   me   with   just   Dane   they   go ,   that&#39;s   all .   They&#39;ve   got   like   20,000   pictures   of   Haddon .   Anyway ,   speaking   of   pictures ,   real   quick ,   rachel   just   sent   this   talking   about   grandmas   and   pictures .   It&#39;s   Haddon   in   our   storage   area   in   our   garage ,   and   he&#39;s   pointing   to   an   old   TV   that   we   have   and   she   said   he   was   singing .   Jesus   loves   the   TV   Same   tune   as   Jesus   loves   me ,   the   Sino .   That&#39;s   pretty   funny .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:38</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   it&#39;s   funny .   Were   you   dressed   up   as   a   jockey   for   like   Halloween   or   something ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>7:42</time>
      <p>
          No ,   it   was   only   for   a   few   years .   I   didn&#39;t   For   a   few   years .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:46</time>
      <p>
          No ,   it   was   just   a   picture .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>7:47</time>
      <p>
          I   had   a   cigarette   lighter   that   I   was   lighting   and   I   was   dressed   as   a   jockey .   I   was   about   four .   How   funny .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:54</time>
      <p>
          Wow ,   that   reminded   me   of   one   Halloween .   It   was   the   Halloween   that   the   movie   Batman   Returns   came   out   and   I   don&#39;t   know   if   you   guys   remember ,   but   like   there   was   a   bunch   of   controversy   in   that   movie   because   it   was   really   dark   and   they   thought   it   was   going   to   be   a   children&#39;s   movie .   Like   McDonald&#39;s   had   like   bought   rights   to   carry   toys   and   they   ended   up   like   backing   out   of   the   deal   once   they   saw   the   movie   because   it&#39;s   pretty   dark ,   you   know ,   and   one   of   the   main   characters   is   Penguin   and   this   is ,   I   think   this   is   like   first   or   second   grade   for   me .   Okay ,   so   I   watched   the   movie   and   I   loved   it   because   my   mom   had   no   like   the   rating   system   for   movies   didn&#39;t   matter   to   my   mom   back   in   those   days   but   I   wanted   to   dress   up   as   the   Penguin   and   I   wanted   to   like   go   all   out   with   like   goo   coming   out   of   my   face   and   I   put   all   this   like   stuff   on   to   make   me   look   big   and   this   big   old   nose   and   like   I   just   looked   morbid .   And   I   also   had   this   crush   on   this   girl   Lena   was   her   name   and   I   was   like   man ,   I   look   so   cool ,   like   you   got   to   take   me   to   her   house   so   that   she   can   see   me ,   because   she&#39;s   going   to   really   like   it ,   because   in   my   first   grade   head   I&#39;m   thinking   like   of   course   girls   are   going   to   like   disgusting   things .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>8:56</time>
      <p>
          How   old   are   you   in   first   grade ?   Five ,   six ?   So   in   my   mind   I&#39;m   like   girls   like   gross   things ,   right ,   like   why   wouldn&#39;t   they   like   gross   things ?   So   I   have   like   for   Halloween ,   like   I   have   my   parents .   My   mom   stopped   at   her   house   first .   I   knock   on   her   door   and   the   whole   time   mom&#39;s   like   I   don&#39;t   know   if   she&#39;s   going   to   like   this .   You   know ,   I   don&#39;t .   I   don&#39;t   know   if   this   is   like   what   how   you   get   girls   to   notice   you   or   whatever   and   Lena   opens   the   door ,   or   her   parents   open   the   door   and   they   call   Lena   over   and   Lena   comes   over   and   she&#39;s   like   that&#39;s   so   cool .   So   I   was   right .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:26</time>
      <p>
          She   liked   the   morbidness   she   liked   it ,   she   did   yeah ,   yeah ,   that   was   weird .   You   are   Are   All   right   friends .   Enough   of   this   silliness .   Here&#39;s   a   comment   from   Hagan777 .   Love   the   guys   at   Living   Waters .   They   are   a   great   source   of   biblical   truth .   I   recommend   you   listen   to   the   podcast .   Also ,   order   the   evidence   study   Bible .   It   has   great   information .   Who   said   that ?   Did   Hayden ?   Say   that ,   what&#39;s   that ?   And   that   guy   say   that   Uh ,   hagen ,   if   it&#39;s   a   guy .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:54</time>
      <p>
          yeah ,   Well ,   that&#39;s   nice ,   isn&#39;t   that   nice ?   Evidence   study   Bible ,   right ?   Can   you   take   us   back   to   the   second   that   you   conceived ,   the   thought   of   the   evidence   study   Bible ?   No ,   you   don&#39;t   remember   to   think .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:05</time>
      <p>
          No ,   no ,   no ,   no .   I   remember   I   suggested   it   to   the   publishers   and   left   it   in   their   court   and   then   they   came   back .   They   came   back   with   a   home   run ,   which   is   a   mixing   of   metaphors   Came   back   Home   run .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>10:18</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   field ,   you   left   it   in   their   field .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:19</time>
      <p>
          Hmm ,   they   came   back   Again   a   curveball .   They   knocked   it   out   of   the   pocket
      </p>

      <h2 id="jim-and-elizabeth-elliott-s-sacrifice-and-love"><a class="no-underline" href="#jim-and-elizabeth-elliott-s-sacrifice-and-love">Jim and Elizabeth Elliott&#39;s Sacrifice and Love</a></h2>


        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:23</time>
      <p>
          .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>10:23</time>
      <p>
          How   about   an   evidence   study   Bible   for   kids ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:26</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   right   there .   Yeah ,   just   give   it   to   kids .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:28</time>
      <p>
          Got   it   Right   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:29</time>
      <p>
          See   my   book .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:29</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   just   write   for   kids   on   it .   Yeah ,   don&#39;t   take   care   of   it .   Yeah ,   uh ,   thank   you   so   much ,   friend ,   for   writing   in .   We&#39;re   blessed   that   we&#39;ve   been   a   blessing   to   you .   All   right ,   friends ,   this   podcast   is   brought   to   you   by   the   curved   illusion   that   tracked .   Believe   it   or   not ,   that   is   the   first   tracked   that   I   ever   saw   in   Ray   comforts   hand .   What   was   that   in   person ?   You&#39;ve   got   to   be   choking .   Curved   illusion ,   oh ,   really ,   yeah ,   but   it   was   pink   and   blue   and   larger .   I   like   the   pink   and   blue .   Yeah ,   pink   and   blue .   Why&#39;d   we   change   it ?   All   right ,   and   blue   are   better .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:02</time>
      <p>
          That   was   my   idea .   Pink   and   blue .   You&#39;re   the   one   that   changed   it .   You   ruined   a   joke   though ,   I   used   to   think   Pink   and   blue   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>11:07</time>
      <p>
          I   can&#39;t   do   that .   What   was   the ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:07</time>
      <p>
          joke .   It   was   right   Hold   some   of   those   little   packets   of   sugar .   They   were   pink   and   blue .   There   was   equal .   And   what   was   the   other   one ?   I   can&#39;t   remember .   I   said   which   is   bigger ?   And   they&#39;d   say   this   one .   I   said ,   no ,   this   one   is   equal .   And   it   was   like   a   joke ,   and   so   I   can&#39;t   do   that .   I   ruined   your   life .   Yes ,   you   ruined   my   life .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:23</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   curved   illusion   friends .   Oh ,   and   we   have   them ,   I   think   in   Spanish ,   but   they&#39;re   in   red   and   green ,   I   think ,   more   fitting .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:31</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   no ,   that&#39;s   yeah .   This   finish   flag   isn&#39;t   it ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:34</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   then   we   have   the   Halloween   ones   Black   and   orange   Orange ,   and   black ,   black   and   orange   Orange ,   and   also   friends .   I   mentioned   it   last   time ,   but   make   sure   to   check   out   the   attract   sample   pack .   Anyway ,   the   curved   illusions   are   cool   because   you   hold   them   one   way ,   one   looks   longer   than   the   other ,   and   you   switch   them   the   other   way ,   the   other   color   looks   longer   than   the   other .   Uh ,   excuse   me .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:53</time>
      <p>
          What   I   was   talking   about .   One   looks   longer   than   the   other ,   what   I   just   want   them   over   to   come   up ,   if   you&#39;re   paying   attention .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:58</time>
      <p>
          it&#39;s   that   looking   at   Mark&#39;s   computer .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:59</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   he   was   looking   at   sugars   Sugars   Sweet   and   low   and   equal .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:04</time>
      <p>
          Equal .   Yeah ,   sweet ,   oh   sweet   and   low ,   that   was   that   sweet ,   that&#39;s   like   me   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:10</time>
      <p>
          No   sweet   and   very   low .   Hmm ,   all   right ,   friends ,   make   sure   to   check   those   out ,   along   with   the   track   sample   pack   that   I   mentioned   last   time ,   just ,   and   the   evidence   study   Bible   at   living   waterscom .   I&#39;m   so   calm   today ,   so   mellow ,   so   humble .   All   right ,   friends ,   today   we&#39;re   talking   about   Jim   Elliott   and   Elizabeth   Elliott&#39;s   extraordinary   sacrifice .   You   know ,   uh ,   jim   and   Elizabeth   Elliott   have   gone   down   in   history   in   such   a   way   that   you   cannot   hear   their   names   without   crying   about   it .   Yeah ,   yeah ,   not   crying ,   oh ,   no ,   not   again ,   not   this   time .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:49</time>
      <p>
          Uh ,   without   thinking   about ,   I   would   say   we   talked   about   it   with   sacrifice ,   yeah ,   Sacrifice   and   love .   Uh ,   first   because   of   what   Jim   and   Nate   St   and   their   bunch   did ,   but   then   what   Elizabeth   Elliott   and   the   ladies   did .   After   that   we&#39;ll   talk   about   all   that ,   but   they   are   extraordinary   people .   I   had   the   privilege   of   of   speaking   at   a   conference ,   uh ,   where   Elizabeth   Elliott&#39;s   daughter   really   spoke .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:13</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   oh ,   there   was   nothing .   I   spoke   at   a   church   in   1991 .   First   time   I   taught   Hell&#39;s   Best   Skip   Secret   in   a   local   church .   Elizabeth   Elliott   was   in   the   congregation   and   came   up   afterwards .   Yeah ,   she   was .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:23</time>
      <p>
          Wow ,   yeah ,   did   you   talk   to   her ?   Yeah ,   what   did   she   say   to   you ?   Can&#39;t   remember ?   Yeah ,   it   was   really   an   honor ,   in   fact .   Uh ,   I   ran   into   her   on   the   elevator   and   the   elevator   wasn&#39;t   working ,   she&#39;s   like   what   do   you   do   with   this   thing ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:36</time>
      <p>
          I   mean ,   you   were   two   weeks   in   the   elevator ,   I   was   going   to   the   elevator   and   she&#39;s   like   that&#39;s ,   that&#39;s   where   we   met .   And   then   I   I   didn&#39;t   know   that   she   was   Elizabeth   Elliott&#39;s   daughter ,   I   knew   she   was   going   to   be   speaking   there ,   but   then   we   met   and   then   it   was   such   an   honor   because   I   think   her   husband   and   other   family   members   you   know   sat   in   on   on   on   my   teachings   and   it   was   just ,   it   was   really   an   honor   and   a   blessing .   But   yeah ,   let&#39;s   jump   into   their   lives .   Oscar ,   why   don&#39;t   you   kick   us   off   with   a   little   bit   of   background ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>14:02</time>
      <p>
          on   the   Elliott&#39;s ,   the   Elliott&#39;s   Uh   well ,   side   note ,   I   told   you   right   before   the   program   that ,   just   so   happens ,   like   a   week   before   you   sent   the   text   for   the   idea   of   doing   this   program   on   Jim   and   Elizabeth   Elliott ,   I   had   so   happened   to   buy   Elizabeth   Elliott&#39;s   new   biography .   Oh ,   so   I&#39;m   only   a   handful   of   chapters   in ,   but   so   far   it&#39;s   really   good .   It&#39;s   called ,   uh ,   elizabeth   Elliott   a   life ,   I   think   that&#39;s   what   it&#39;s   called .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="importance-of-missions-and-gospel-spreading"><a class="no-underline" href="#importance-of-missions-and-gospel-spreading">Importance of Missions and Gospel Spreading</a></h2>


        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>14:27</time>
      <p>
          But   yeah ,   I   mean ,   uh ,   the   story   starts   out   with   Jim   Elliott   and   his   friends .   They   were   from ,   uh ,   I   think ,   portland   area .   Yeah ,   right ,   right ,   they   had   this   strong   desire   to   go   and   be   missionaries   and ,   uh ,   that   that   process   ended   up   taking   them   to   Ecuador ,   I   believe .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>14:42</time>
      <p>
          And   in   in   so   going   to   Ecuador ,   there   was   a   tribe   of   people   that   were   unreached   and   they   were   known   locally ,   in   the   local   language ,   as   savages .   Uh ,   and   I   know   that   can   be   a   derogatory   term ,   but   that   is   what   the   other   Indian   tribes ,   how   they   reference   these   Ecuadorians .   Their   homicide   rate   was   60% .   They   rarely   lived   to   the   age   of   30   when ,   whether   it   was   farmers   or   other   missionaries   or   other   tribes   people ,   anytime   somebody   would   approach   this   area   of   the   jungle ,   they   would   be   met   with   spears   and   death ,   and   so .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:20</time>
      <p>
          So   when   you   say   60%   they ,   they ,   the   tribe   had   that   rate   of   60%   homicide   rate   yeah ,   and   they   were .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:26</time>
      <p>
          They   were   called   back   then   the   Ocas   and   and   now   they&#39;re .   They&#39;re   called   the ,   the   Waddoni .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>15:31</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   so   the   Oca   means   it   is   in   their   native   language   as   uh ,   savage ,   which   is   why ,   at   first ,   when   Americans   went   over   there ,   they   thought   that   was   the   link ,   that   was   the   name   of   the   tribe ,   because   that&#39;s   what   all   the   other   tribes   call   them .   And   then   they   realized ,   when   they   started   translating   the   language   into   English ,   they   realized   that   it   was   a   derogatory   term   used   for   them   that   has   meant   savage ,   and   so   they   found   the   Waddonis   yeah ,   waddoni .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:53</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   yeah ,   and ,   and   you   know   what   I   love   about   about   the   story   of   Jim   Elliot   is   and   and   uh ,   christianitycom   really   gives   a   good   layout ,   kind   of   of ,   of   the   story ,   but   it   says   that   when   he   was   a   little   boy   in   Oregon ,   he   he   sat   around   listening   to   missionaries   who   would   visit ,   you   know ,   his   family   and   and   he&#39;d   listen   to   their   stories   about   the   mission   field   and   he&#39;d   he&#39;d   ask   them   questions   and   and   like   inquire   about   that   and   and   he   was   heartbroken   that   there   were   people   in   other   lands   dying   without   the   gospel .   And ,   mark ,   I   think   this   is   this   is   a   good   place   to   to   reiterate   something   you&#39;ve   shared   before   about   how   people   who   say ,   hey ,   if   people   die   without   hearing   the   gospel ,   then   they&#39;re   going   to   go   to   heaven   and   so   therefore ,   you   know ,   or   what   about   those   tribes ,   right ,   that   have   never   heard   of   the   gospel ?   Obviously   they&#39;re   going   to   go   to   heaven   because   they   never   heard   the   gospel .   You   point   out   the   fallacies   in   that   and   what   we   should   do   then   instead   of   preach   the   gospel .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>16:57</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   when   somebody   asks   the   question ,   you   know   what   happens   to   the   person   who&#39;s   never   heard .   Usually   when   that   question   is   asked   from   a   skeptic ,   it&#39;s   from   the   angle   of   go   talk   to   them ,   or   I   don&#39;t   care ,   or   obviously   Jesus   isn&#39;t   the   only   way .   But   the   truth   is   that   the   way   we   are   supposed   to   answer   that   question ,   I   believe ,   is   there&#39;s   an   urgency   attached   to   the   mission .   We   need   to   go   into   the   highways ,   byways   and   getaways   compel   people   to   come ,   because   if   you   don&#39;t   go   through   Jesus   Christ ,   you   go   to   hell .   There&#39;s   no   name   under   heaven   given   among   men   where   by   which   man   must   be   saved .   You   have   to   go   through   Jesus   Christ .   If   there   is   another   way   to   get   to   heaven   and   not   go   through   Jesus   Christ ,   well   then .   Jesus   died   in   vain .   So ,   salvation   though   it&#39;s   a   free   gift   for   us ,   it   costs   the   Father   everything .   You   have   to   go   through   Jesus .   Ultimately ,   what   happens   to   an   individual   who   has   sinned   against   God ,   has   not   repented   of   their   sins   and   placed   their   trust   in   Jesus ?   They   go   to   hell .   And   I   don&#39;t   say   that   with   join   my   lips ,   that&#39;s   just   the   fact   of   the   matter ,   because   you   have   to   go   through   Jesus .   If   there   is   another   way   to   get   to   heaven   and   not   go   through   Jesus ,   well   then ,   and   here&#39;s   what   this   is   the   saying .   This   is   perhaps   what   you&#39;re   relating   to .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>18:11</time>
      <p>
          We   don&#39;t   send   missionaries   into   the   1040   window   to   try   to   reach   people   that   have   never   heard   about   Jesus .   Instead ,   we   should   be   sending   general   contractors   who   can   build   big   walls   around   these   huts ,   hoping   that   a   missionary   doesn&#39;t   go   inside   there ,   and   then   they&#39;re   held   accountable .   Why   are   we   sending   missionaries ?   Because   there   is   an   urgency .   Why   is   there   an   urgency ?   Because   if   you   die   without   Christ ,   you   go   to   hell .   That&#39;s   what   happens ,   so   we   have   to   send   missionaries .   We   go   into   the   highways ,   byways   and   getaways .   Leonard   Ravenhill   said   most   Christians   spend   more   money   on   dog   food   than   they   do   on   missions ,   and   that&#39;s   true .   I   mean ,   think   about   how   much   money   you   have   put   towards   the   mission   field   or   towards   missionaries ,   and   we   spend   more   money   on   the   most   trivial   things .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>19:02</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   tell   the   dog   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>19:03</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   right ,   so   that&#39;s   the   same .   I   mean   we   need   to   be   careful .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>19:11</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   and   Ray ,   we&#39;re   talking   about   missions   here ,   and   a   lot   of   times   you&#39;ll   get   people   that   are   eager   to   go   out   on   the   mission   field   but   they&#39;re   not   sharing   the   gospel   at   home .   Wouldn&#39;t   you   like   in   that   to   a   doctor   who   has   people   that   are   dying   all   around   him   and   he   has   the   capability   of   helping   them ,   but   he&#39;s   saying   no ,   no ,   no ,   I&#39;m   going   to   go   help   the   dying   people   in   this   other   country   and   never   does   anything ?   Again ,   not   that   people   don&#39;t   have   a   call ,   but   if   you&#39;re   not   witnessing   at   home ,   there&#39;s   a   disconnect   between   that   and   you   wanting   to   go   be   a   missionary   elsewhere .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>19:41</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   know   of   an   often   forgotten   unreached   people&#39;s   group .   The   woman   hardly   wear   any   clothes .   They   paint   their   faces .   They&#39;re   so   primitive .   They   have   piercings   through   their   tongues ,   the   eyebrows ,   the   lips   and   nose .   These   people   actually   think   they&#39;re   ancestors   of   apes .   They   speak   in   an   unclean   language   and   so   evil   they   kill   their   own   offspring .   This   often   overlooked   millions   can   be   found   in   colleges   and   universities   throughout   the   United   States .   There&#39;s   something   exciting   about   missions   overseas   and   something   mundane   about   witnessing   in   your   own   city .   It   doesn&#39;t   have   that   kind   of   excitement   to   it ,   but   unreached   people   who   are   just   a   nearer   are   just   as   lost   as   people   who   are   far .   Many   of   us   overlook   their   own   people   to   look   overseas ,   so   we   need   to   start   in   Jerusalem   and   then   go   into   the   outermost   part   of   the   earth .   That&#39;s   good .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>20:28</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   overseas .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>20:31</time>
      <p>
          You   are   overseas ,   ray .   You   are   actually   a   long   term   missionary ,   to   think   about   it ,   coming   from   New   Zealand   here .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>20:36</time>
      <p>
          I   think   it   was   Oswald   Sanders   who   said   we   talk   of   the   second   coming   when   half   the   world   hasn&#39;t   heard   of   the   first .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>20:42</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   right ,   he   was   in   New   Zealand ,   wasn&#39;t   he ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>20:43</time>
      <p>
          Oswald   Sanders ,   he   can   repent .   No ,   he   can&#39;t   repent   of   that .   That&#39;s   what   it   is .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>20:47</time>
      <p>
          It   can   be   born   again ,   born   again .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>20:49</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I&#39;ve   often   said   when   missionaries   are   a   part   of   a   church   that   isn&#39;t   sharing   the   gospel   locally ,   what   do   you   think   is   going   to   happen   when   they   go   abroad ?   They&#39;re   going   to   emulate   the   model   of   their   church ,   they&#39;re   going   to   get   there   and   not   share   the   gospel   and   they&#39;re   going   to   start   looking   to   send   their   people   elsewhere   who   are   going   to   go   and   not   share   the   gospel .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>21:13</time>
      <p>
          I   think   the   most   effective   missionaries   are   those   that   are   part   of   a   community   that   is   passionate   about   the   gospel   at   home ,   and   then   they&#39;re   like   okay ,   well ,   we&#39;ve   been   reaching   the   lost .   Here   we   see   that   our   church   has   plenty   of   labors .   There   are   other   parts   of   the   world   that   haven&#39;t   heard   of   the   gospel .   All   right ,   let&#39;s   go .   That&#39;s   good ,   and   when   they   do   that ,   they   can   go   with   a   clear   conscience   and   also   with   an   exercised   life   in   the   proclamation   of   the   gospel .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:39</time>
      <p>
          And   I   love   the   way   he   said   proclamation   the   gospel ,   because   remember ,   rachel   went   overseas   to   India   with   a   missionary   group   and   sat   above   I   think   it   was   Bombay   on   a   hill   and   prayed   for   the   city .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>21:49</time>
      <p>
          They   didn&#39;t   preach   the   home   yeah   could   have   done   it   at   home .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:51</time>
      <p>
          Sit   here   and   pray   for   Bombay   here ,   yeah ,   but   the   view   was   nice .   It   was   a   night ,   not   in   Bombay ,   you   couldn&#39;t   probably   see   the   city .   But   yeah ,   go   into   all   the   world   and   preach   the   gospel   to   every   creature ,   and   that&#39;s   a   news   words .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>22:04</time>
      <p>
          If   necessary ,   then   St   Francis ,   a   sissy   yeah ,   what   was   st   Francis ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>22:11</time>
      <p>
          a   sissy ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>22:13</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s .   That&#39;s   a   play   on   friends .   For   those   who   don&#39;t   know ,   st   Francis   of   a   sissy ,   but   he   didn&#39;t   actually   say   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>22:19</time>
      <p>
          No ,   well ,   it   can&#39;t   be   saying   yeah   yeah ,   it   was   his   mother ,   was   his   mother .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>22:25</time>
      <p>
          Or   his   sissy ,   finally ,   finally .   So   Jim   Elliott&#39;s   a   kid ,   right .   He&#39;s   hearing   missionaries   come   and   talk ,   which   I   think   is   is   Good   to   remember   that   our   kids   can   be   influenced   at   a   young   age .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>22:39</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   what   influence   my   kids   have .   Missionaries   come   from   Hawaii .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>22:43</time>
      <p>
          Tahiti .   Yeah ,   seriously   though   I   mean   you   may   not   be   able   to   get   missionaries   to   come   sit   in   your   home ,   but   man   expose   your   kids   to   biographies .   Yes   we   did   that   a   lot   with   our   kids   growing   up .   We   would   read   biographies ,   we   had   these ,   these   books   called   hero   tales ,   and   they   would   just   get   the   kids   exposed .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>22:59</time>
      <p>
          I   ran   out   of   biographies   to   read   this .   A   bit   of   a   dearth   in   them .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>23:03</time>
      <p>
          I   like   that   lovely   to   be   more   seriously ,   I&#39;m   in   a   season   of   reading   memoirs   and   biographies   right   now .   There&#39;s   some   really   good   ones   out   there .   Yeah ,   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>23:11</time>
      <p>
          So   so   Jim   Elliott   says   he&#39;s   impacted   by   that   and   he   thinks ,   man ,   that&#39;s ,   that&#39;s   what   I   want   to   do .   And   so ,   february   2nd   1952 .   He   bids   his   parents   goodbye ,   he   hops   on   a   ship   for   an   oh   think   of   this   an   18-day   trip ,   18   days   like   a   cruise ,   a   royal   crew ,   he   had   a   suntan   lotion   and   everything   they   say   he   leaves   from   here .   Actually ,   here   in   California ,   they   leave   out   a   San   Pedro ,   they   go   to   a   keto   Ecuador ,   south   America ,   keto   diet ,   keto .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>23:42</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   where   it   started .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>23:43</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   all   for   missionaries ,   and   I   had   his   partner ,   pete   Fleming ,   with   them   and   they   spent   a   year   and   Keto   learning   to   speak   Spanish .   I   mean ,   that ,   that&#39;s   you   know .   That   is   real   missionary   work .   Yeah ,   hmm ,   short-term   missions   I   think   they   have   their   place .   They   can   sometimes ,   I   think ,   be   counterproductive ,   honestly ,   depending   on   whether   those   going   are   going   out   on   a   tour   as   Tourists   in   their   minds   or   if   they&#39;re   going   to   catch   a   vision   and   and   actually   learn   how   to   support .   Yeah ,   you   know ,   the   missionaries ,   that&#39;s   what   mission   they   learn   the   language   so   they   can   assimilate   and   be   able   to   impact   the   people .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>24:18</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   that   reminds   me   we&#39;ve   talked   off   to   about   acts   17 ,   about   Paul   and   the   Greco-Roman   world   and   Athens .   He   showed   up   as   a   missionary ,   essentially   in   Athens   to   preach   the   gospel ,   but   he   spent   time   Understanding   their   culture ,   meeting   him   where   they   were ,   helping   them ,   pulling   them   towards   Christ   by   understanding   their   longest   needs   and   their   ways   of   religiosity .   And   and   I   think   Jim   Iliad   doesn&#39;t   a   great   job   of   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>24:42</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   big   time .   And   so   you   know   they ,   they   spent   about   three   years   with   people   that   were   known   as   the   Quicas   or   the   quick   who   has ,   I   don&#39;t   even   say   that .   And   then ,   after   that ,   you   know ,   they   had   started   reaching   them .   They   started   coming   to   the   Lord   and   then   his   ultimate   goal   of   reaching   the   Akkas   Was   realized   and   so   they   start ,   you   know ,   flying   over   there   and   I   have   to   remember   these   people   were   were   hardly   touched   by   civilization .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>25:08</time>
      <p>
          So   while   he   got   what ?   When   Jim   and   Elizabeth   Elliott   and   the   rest   of   the   crew   got   to   Ecuador ,   at   first   they   were   just   there   to   reach   lost   people   in   general   and   in   the   process   of   learning   the   language   and   understanding   the   land   they   hear   about   Sort   of   almost   like   old   wives   tales   that   there&#39;s   this   tribe   out   there   that   nobody   can   get   to ,   that   nobody   can   reach .   If   you   get   close   they&#39;ll   attack   you .   And   his   response   while   everyone   else   is   like   stay   away   from   them .   Like   the   Elliott&#39;s   response   was   that&#39;s   where   the   Lord   wants   us ,   not   away   from   danger ,   but   into   danger .   Not   because   they   were   adrenaline   junkies ,   but   because   what   they   heard   were   there   are   people   out   there   who   are   lost   Christ .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>25:49</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;re   gonna   drop   pink   and   blue   tracks   by   helicopter .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>25:52</time>
      <p>
          They   actually   started .   Yeah ,   they   took   their   plane .   The   guys   took   their   plane   and   flew   around   and   until   they   found   the   tribe   and   what   they   started   doing   is   I   think   they   called   it   the   gift   drop   campaign .   So   they   basically   would   fly   over   the   tribe   and   drop   gifts   from   the   airplane   and   then   go   land   I   don&#39;t   know   20   or   30   miles   away ,   spend   the   night ,   wake   up   the   next   day   and   do   that   over   and   over   and   over   again   to   sort   of   initiate   contact   with   them .   

      </p>

      <h2 id="danger-in-christian-missions"><a class="no-underline" href="#danger-in-christian-missions">Danger in Christian Missions</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>26:17</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   you   know   they .   They   knew   the   dangers   involved   with   the   Aucas   Absolutely ,   because   they   had   killed   a   lot   of   the   people   that   they   had   reached   or   who   they   spent   those   three   years   with .   And   then   they   were   also   killing   people   who   were   in   the   region   drilling   for   oil .   I   mean ,   these   guys   were ,   they   were   murderous   and   violent   people .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>26:33</time>
      <p>
          So   why   were   they   killing ?   Was   there   any   reason   for   it ?   Just   nasty   sin ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>26:38</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   and   that ,   and   probably   maybe   a   fear   of   you   know   what   are   they   gonna   do   to   us ?   Or   maybe   they   had   a   mindset .   These   order .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>26:44</time>
      <p>
          they   have   a   demonic   religion   that   says   you   get   yourself   a   Mortality   by   killing   other   people .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>26:49</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   yeah   you   know   what ,   though ?   This   is   actually   a   good   place   to   put   this ,   because   oftentimes   what   you&#39;ll   hear   from   the   secular   world   is   like   oh ,   those   missionaries ,   those   Christians ,   they   go   into   these   you   know   abridged   inist   tribes   and   they   bring   sickness   and   disease   and   ultimately ,   the   only   reason   why   they   ever   wanted   to   go   in   there   Wasn&#39;t   because   they   wanted   to   tell   them   about   Jesus ,   but   it   was   because   they   wanted   to   inoculate   into   them ,   into   Western   civilization .   Right   Like   this   was   like   the   conquistadors   of   Spain   type   thing ,   and   the   problem   with   that   narrative   is   that   often   they   they   position   Native   Americans   as   like   these   Peaceful   communities   that   were   living   in   great   harmony ,   that   were   at   one   with   the   land .   But   the   reality   is   many   of   these   tribes ,   including   this   tribe   here   is   a   great   example   we&#39;re   not   living   peacefully .   Many   of   the   tribes   the   missionaries   were   trying   to   meet   were   sacrificing   living   babies   on   burning   altars .   They   would   witness   them .   The   melting   skin   of   an   infant   child   Again ,   60%   homicide   rate .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>27:50</time>
      <p>
          And   so   the   point   is   Nobody   shows   up   to   a   land   like   that   and   go   oh ,   that&#39;s   your   way   of   doing   thing .   Who   am   I   to   judge ?   You   guys ,   do   it   your   way   and   we&#39;re   gonna   do   it   ours .   No ,   like   you   it&#39;s .   It&#39;s   like   you   talk   about   all   the   time .   It&#39;s   like ,   man ,   you   have   a   cure   for   a   disease .   This   isn&#39;t   about   advancing   Jim   Ali .   I   didn&#39;t   give   a   rip   about   advancing   Western   civilization .   He   cared   about   their   souls   and   that&#39;s   why   he   put   his   life   at   risk .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>28:15</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   well   stated .   You   know ,   mark ,   we   look   at   danger   as   Christians   almost   as   Sort   of   a   stopgate   for   us   to   go   and   do   things   for   the   sake   of   the   kingdom .   I   mean   you   know   scripture   talks   about   if   anyone   suffers ,   you   know ,   for   for   wrongdoing ,   he   should   be   ashamed .   But   but   there   is   an   appropriate   suffering   associated   with   us   as   Christians   for   the   sake   of   the   gospel .   But   the   church   was   birthed   in   danger ,   like   it&#39;s   all   that   they   knew .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>28:43</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   some   have   been   appointed   to   suffer   for   his   namesake .   Yeah ,   you   know   what   is   the   exact   quote .   You   guys   will   probably   know   it   that   the   blood   of   the   martyrs   is   the   seat   of   the   church .   That&#39;ll   right ,   it&#39;s   the   way   God   works .   If   you   were   to   ask   Jim ,   would   you   go   and   do   it   all   over   again ?   And   hindsight   you   know   he   would   say   yes .   Yeah ,   you   know   that&#39;s ,   that&#39;s   just   the   way   it   is ,   because   where   are   these   the   lamb   to   receive   the   reward   of   his   suffering ?   I&#39;ll   go   anywhere ,   as   long   as   it&#39;s   forward .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>29:09</time>
      <p>
          Somebody   once   said   and   I&#39;ve   kind   of   echoed   it   many   times   sons ,   you   know ,   as   long   as   the   Lord   is   in   it ,   I&#39;m   good .   And   then   there&#39;s   that   element   of   faith .   You   know   at   what   point   perhaps   was   Jim   a   part   of   it   and   where   he   was   just   saying   Maybe   we   should   have   waited   another   month .   Yeah ,   what&#39;s   going   on   there ,   second   guessing   in   the   midst   of   all   of   that&#39;s   happening .   But   listen ,   trials   and   tribulation   and   persecution   and   sufferings ,   all   of   these   things   are   really   God&#39;s   avenue   to   establish   the   fact   that   and   a   reminder   that   this   is   not   our   home ,   that   we   are   passing   through ,   that   we&#39;re   foreigners   in   a   foreign   land ,   that   we&#39;re   homesick   for   a   home   we&#39;ve   never   been   to   and   we&#39;re   in   love   with   the   God   we&#39;ve   never   seen   and   in   love   with   the   God   we&#39;ve   never   heard .   That   is   the   right   mindset   of   a   Christian   as   trials   and   things   come   your   way .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>29:56</time>
      <p>
          If   you&#39;re   not   winning   people   for   Christ ,   if   you&#39;re   not   attempting   to   move   forward   and   to   march   forward   on   your   knees   and   to   do   these   things   that   God   has   called   us   and   commanded   us   and   commissioned   us   to   do ,   well   then   what   are   you   doing ?   What   are   you   doing   of   eternal   value ?   David   Platt   said   Jesus   has   not   given   us   a   commission   to   consider .   He&#39;s   given   us   a   command   to   obey .   John   Piper   was   asked   the   question .   So   are   you   saying   that   my   kids   need   all   become   missionaries ?   He   says   well ,   no ,   your   son&#39;s   already   a   missionary .   Just   where&#39;s   the   missionary   at   that&#39;s ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>30:29</time>
      <p>
          good ,   that&#39;s   good .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>30:30</time>
      <p>
          You   know ,   missions   exist   because   worship   does   not .   He   went   on   to   say   because   worship   does   not   exist   in   this   area .   Thus ,   this   is   why   we   bring   the   name   of   Jesus   Christ .   So   if   not   you ,   then   who ?   If   not   now ,   then   when ?   Right   to   get   that   plan   together   and   go .   And   it&#39;s   not   enough   to   learn ,   it&#39;s   not   enough   to   be   the   dead   sea   where   there&#39;s   that   inlet ,   you   need   to   have   the   outlet   as   well .   So   start   with   the   man   in   the   mirror ,   move   on   to   family   and   friends   and   to   coworkers ,   go   to   the   person   across   the   street   and   from   Jerusalem   to   Judea ,   samaria ,   to   the   uttermost   parts   of   the   earth .   That   is   the   command   Go ,   go ,   go ,   go .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>31:05</time>
      <p>
          Have   you   seen   churches   that   have   got   on   the   inside   of   the   doors ?   You   walk   out   of   the   church .   You&#39;re   now   entering   a   mission   field .   I   love   that .   That&#39;s   good .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>31:12</time>
      <p>
          I   like   what   Justin   Peter   said   concerning   missions ,   justin   Bieber ,   well ,   actually   I&#39;ll   go   back   to   Jim   Elliott   first .   Jim   Elliott   said   you   don&#39;t   need   a   verse   when   you   have .   You   don&#39;t   need   a   voice   when   you   have   a   verse .   Okay ,   if   God&#39;s   calling   me   to   go ,   I&#39;m   willing   to   go .   In   the   meantime ,   I&#39;m   gonna   stay .   No ,   that&#39;s   not   it .   God&#39;s   already   called   us   to   go .   What   you   need   to   say   is   I&#39;m   going   to   go   but   I&#39;m   willing   to   stay ,   Should   God   call   me   to   stay .   But   the   question   is   how   is   God   gonna   call   you   to   stay   when   he&#39;s   already   called   you   to   go ?   Right ,   you   don&#39;t   need   a   voice   when   you   have   a   verse .   If   you   wanna ,   if   you   want   God   to   speak   to   you ,   read   his   word .   If   you   want   God   to   speak   to   you   out   loud ,   read   his   word   out   loud .   There   is   the   commission   Now   go ,   and   he&#39;s   with   you   always ,   even   at   the   end   of   the   age .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>31:54</time>
      <p>
          If   you   want   God   to   speak   to   you ,   loudly   read   the   Amplified   Bible .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>31:59</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   I   love   Paul&#39;s   approach .   He   was   going   places   and   then   it   said   the   spirit   forbade   us .   It&#39;s   like   they   were   just   going .   It&#39;s   like   all   right ,   lord ,   you   can   stop   us ,   I   know   if   you   want   to ,   all   right .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="the-sacrifice-and-forgiveness-of-missionaries"><a class="no-underline" href="#the-sacrifice-and-forgiveness-of-missionaries">The Sacrifice and Forgiveness of Missionaries</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>32:09</time>
      <p>
          So   then   after ,   again ,   after   they   start   going   and   trying   to   check   out   where   the   Aucas   were   at ,   they   were   flying   over   and   then   they   thought ,   okay ,   let&#39;s   show   some   friendly   gestures .   So   they   started   lowering   that   bucket   that   Oscar   mentioned .   They   were   giving   them   supplies   and   stuff .   They   had   a   Hell&#39;s   Biscuit   Secret   without   the   cover .   They   had   a   and   in   and   out   gift   cards .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>32:28</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   they   had   a   speaker   and   they   would   just   speak   out   friendly   Aucas   sort   of   phrases   to   show   them ,   hey ,   we   mean   well ,   we   mean   well .   And   then   eventually ,   when   they   felt ,   okay ,   this   is   safe   because   the   Aucas   had   actually   gave   them   a   gift   one   time   in   the   bucket   back   to   them ,   so   they   thought ,   oh ,   you   know ,   this   is   friendship ,   like   they   want   to   interact   with   us .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>32:51</time>
      <p>
          What   was   the   gift ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>32:52</time>
      <p>
          Hell&#39;s   Biscuit   Secret ,   the   heads   of   the   enemy .   It   was   a   voodoo   doll   with   a   bunch   of   pins   stuck   in ,   so   they   didn&#39;t   get   the   message .   That   was   a   good   question .   I   wonder   what   was   in   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>33:01</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .   So   then   they   thought ,   okay ,   we&#39;re   going   to   make   our   approach ,   and   that   was   a   big   deal .   So   they   found   a   beach   that   seemed   long   enough   for   them   to   land .   They   landed   the   plane .   They   had   made   calls   after   they   landed   the   people   you   know ,   telling   them   hey ,   come   to   the   beach ,   come   to   the   beach .   Four   days   later ,   a   couple   of   people   come   down .   It   was   hard   to   communicate   with   them   Finally- .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>33:18</time>
      <p>
          What   do   you   mean ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>33:19</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   at   first   it   seemed   friendly .   They   said   to   them   okay ,   bring   more   people ,   bring   more   people .   And   so   they   waited   a   couple   of   days ,   and   this   is   where   the   story   picks   up ,   and- .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>33:31</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   you&#39;re   going   to   cry   with   this   one .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>33:32</time>
      <p>
          Oh   man ,   I   don&#39;t   want   to   cry .   You&#39;re   an   ugly   cryer   too .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>33:34</time>
      <p>
          We   don&#39;t   want   to   see   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>33:35</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   terrible .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>33:36</time>
      <p>
          Haven&#39;t   we   got   a   veil   to   put   out   of   your ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>33:37</time>
      <p>
          face   like   those .   I   know   it&#39;s   my   crying .   So   it   says .   The   missionaries   waited   for   other   alkaists   to   return   for   the   next   two   days .   Finally ,   two   alka   women   walked   out   of   the   jungle   on   day   six .   Jim   and   Pete   excitedly   jumped   in   the   river   and   waited   over   to   them .   As   they   got   closer ,   these   women   did   not   appear   friendly .   Jim   and   Pete   almost   immediately   heard   a   terrifying   cry   behind   them .   As   they   turned ,   they   saw   a   group   of   alka   warriors   with   their   spears   raised ,   ready   to   throw .   Jim   Elliott   reached   for   the   gun   in   his   pocket .   He   had   to   decide   instantly   if   he   should   use   it .   Huh ,   why ,   why   did   you   say   it   right ?   Sorry ,   but   he   knew   he   couldn&#39;t .   Each   of   the   missionaries   had   promised   they   would   not   kill   an   alka   who   did   not   know   Jesus   to   save   himself   from   being   killed .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>34:20</time>
      <p>
          Do   you   want   us   to   stand   behind   you   and   hold   your   vocal   cords ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>34:24</time>
      <p>
          No .   Within   seconds   the   alka   warriors   threw   their   spears ,   killing   the   missionaries   and   Macaulay ,   roger   Yoderain ,   nate   St ,   pete   Fleming   and   Jim   Elliott .   Later ,   in   the   afternoon   of   Sunday   January   8 ,   elizabeth   Elliott ,   jim&#39;s   wife ,   waited   by   the   two-way   radio   to   hear   Nate   St   and   his   wife   discussed   how   things   had   gone   that   day ,   but   there   was   no   call .   As   evening   turned   to   night ,   the   wives   grew   worried .   They   knew   the   news   was   not   good .   The   next   morning   another   missionary   pilot   flew   over   the   beach   to   look   for   the   men .   He   saw   only   the   badly   damaged   plane   on   the   beach .   News   quickly   spread   around   the   world   about   the   five   missing   missionaries .   United   States   search   team   went   to   the   beach ,   found   the   missionaries&#39;   bodies   and   buried   them .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>35:06</time>
      <p>
          So   they   didn&#39;t   take   the   bodies ,   no ,   they   killed   them   and   left   them   there .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>35:09</time>
      <p>
          They   killed   them .   Yeah ,   have   you   guys   watched   the   End   of   the   Spear ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>35:12</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   been   a   while   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>35:14</time>
      <p>
          That   movie ,   I   think ,   depicted   what   happened .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>35:16</time>
      <p>
          Is   that   the   documentary   or   the ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>35:18</time>
      <p>
          reenactment .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>35:18</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   a   reenactment .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>35:20</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it&#39;s   a   drama ,   but   that   scene   of   what   happened ,   I   mean   here   they   were   and   but   again ,   just   that   thought   he   could   have   saved   their   lives   right   there   and   then .   But   they   made   that   ultimate   sacrifice   and   then   what   blows   me   away   is   then   what   ended   up   happening   After ,   where   Elizabeth   Elliott   ended   up   with   the   other   women   Ended   up   and   her   two-year-old   daughter .   Moving   there   so ,   and   Richard ,   so   Oscar   picked   that   up .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>35:50</time>
      <p>
          This   is   where   I&#39;m   at .   In   her   biography   that   you   know ,   they   find   out   that   their   husbands   die ,   and   Elizabeth   Elliott .   In   this   biography   they   talk   about   how   her   and   the   other   wives   which   they   just   didn&#39;t   know   what   to   do ,   and   they   just   lost   all   their   husbands .   She   has   this   two-year-old   daughter   I   think   she   was ,   no ,   she   wasn&#39;t   even   two   yet ,   actually ,   and   she   was   anyway   a   newborn   baby   daughter   and   she   started   praying   Like   what   am   I   to   do ?   Am   I   going   back ,   you   know ,   to   the   States ?   What   will   you   have   me   do ,   lord ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>36:16</time>
      <p>
          And   through   those   prayers   she   felt   God   call   her   to   go   to   the   tribe .   And   she   admits   through   letters   that   they   now   know   like   she   was   pet .   She   did   not   want   to   go .   She   didn&#39;t   know   she   was   going   to   go   and   resent   them .   She   didn&#39;t   know   she   was   going   to   like   risk   her   daughter&#39;s   life   as   well ,   but   ultimately   she   was   faithful   to   the   Lord .   Her   and   one   of   their   wife   walk   out   into   the   tribe .   They   meet   the   tribesmen   and   this   time   they   accept   them   into   the   community   and   they   end   up   living   with   them   for   several   years   and   I   mean   there&#39;s   pictures   of   her   and   her   daughter   there   being   educated   by   them   and   educating   them ,   sharing   the   gospel   with   them ,   living   among   the   very   people   who   took   her   husband&#39;s   life ,   acting   out   forgiveness   for   the   sake   of   the   gospel   and   putting   herself   and   her   daughter   at   risk .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>37:03</time>
      <p>
          And   how   did   they   get   received ?   I   didn&#39;t .   I   don&#39;t   know   the   story ,   that   aspect   of   it .   Why   were   they   now   received   before   they   weren&#39;t   received ?   So   because   they   were   females ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>37:11</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   that&#39;s   a   good   question .   I   don&#39;t   know ,   I   haven&#39;t   gotten   that   far   in   the   book .   Yeah ,   and   you   think   about   what   that   did   to   them ?   I   mean   the   gospel   spread   through   the   tribe .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>37:21</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   they   were   one   of   the   guys   who   killed   the   men   ended   up   getting   baptized   and   became   like   a   local   pastor ,   One   of   the   guys   that   threw   the   spear .   Isn&#39;t   that   crazy ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>37:34</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   absolutely   beautiful ,   ray .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="love-faithfulness-trials"><a class="no-underline" href="#love-faithfulness-trials">Love, Faithfulness, Trials</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>37:36</time>
      <p>
          I   think   this   coincides   with   what   you   often   say   don&#39;t   pray   for   less   fear ,   pray   for   more   love .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>37:41</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   that&#39;s   true .   The   biography ,   or   is   it   called   Through   the   Gates   of   Splendor ?   That&#39;s   Elizabeth   Elliott   wrote   that .   Yeah ,   that   was   her   first   book .   Yeah ,   and   that&#39;s   the   story   we&#39;re   talking   about .   Yes ,   exactly   yeah .   And   End   of   the   Spear   is   the   movie .   It&#39;s   the   movie .   Yeah ,   yeah ,   what   love   and   action .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>37:57</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   I   think   that&#39;s   what   it   ultimately   comes   down   to .   It&#39;s   stepping   back   and   saying   look ,   we&#39;re   not   left   without   a   great   example ,   like   I   talked   in   the   last   podcast ,   from   God   himself   on   what   love   entails .   Christ   came   down   to   die   and   that&#39;s   so   much ,   infinitely   worse   than   what   we   could   suffer   at   the   hands   of   man ,   because   he   was   suffering   at   the   hands   of   his   creation .   He   was   being   nailed   to   a   piece   of   wood   that   came   from   a   tree   he   made .   He   was   nailed   by   spikes   that   came   from   the   elements   of   the   earth   that   he   fashioned   and   formed .   He   was   blasphemed   by   vocal   cords   and   tongues   and   lips   that   he   fashioned   and   formed ,   and   he   was   going   to   experience   that   separation   from   the   Father   as   he   bore   the   sins   of   the   world .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>38:46</time>
      <p>
          What&#39;s   the   illustration   you   give ?   Easy   on   the   Chihuahua .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>38:50</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it&#39;s   one   I   heard   years   ago .   Yeah ,   it&#39;s   like   imagine   us   becoming   Chihuahuas   to   save   a   breed   of   ravenous   pit   bulls   and   doberman   pinchers   that   we   knew   were   going   to   devour   us   and   we   did   it   to   save   them .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>39:03</time>
      <p>
          Elizabeth   Elliott ,   in   one   of   her   books ,   talks   about   how ,   for   statistically   speaking ,   like   how ,   her   two   years   with   the   tribal   people   you   could   say   sort   of   ended   in   failure ,   or   at   least   she   said   that   during   that   two   years   she   felt   like   it   was   ending   in   failure   Because ,   even   though   a   few   of   them   got   saved   including   one   of   the   murderers   for   the   most   part   they   didn&#39;t   accept   the   gospel .   And   it   was   met   with   a   lot   of   challenges .   And   that&#39;s   an   important   aspect ,   because   what   Elizabeth   Elliott   says   in   her   book   is   that   in   those   moments   we   are   faithful   to   the   Lord ,   not   because   of   the   results   that   he   wants   to   produce   outside   of   us ,   but   because   of   the   results   he&#39;s   producing   inside   of   us .   And   so   she   would   say   that ,   like   she&#39;s   thankful   for   that   time ,   because   of   the   way   it   shaped   her   to   be   more   like   her   savior .   And   Elizabeth   Elliott   has   an   extraordinary   life .   She   spent   two   years   with   the   people   who   murdered   her   husband .   She   then   gets   remarried   and   her   husband   of   four   years   dies   of   cancer .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>40:01</time>
      <p>
          She&#39;s   the   author   of   over   20   books ,   including   Passion   and   Purity   Let   Me   Be   a   Woman ,   which   is   all   about   complementarianism ,   and   through   the   Gates   of   Splendor   which   you   mentioned ,   she   ends   up   becoming   a   contributor   to   the   NIV ,   which   is   incredible .   She   becomes   a   professor ,   a   teaching   professor   at   Gordon   Conwell   University ,   and   this   is   actually   one   of   my .   This   is   the   reason   why   I   wanted   to   read   her   biography   is   because   I   was   reading   another   book   that   talked   about   how   she   would   give   lectures ,   about   teaching .   She   was   a   complementarian   and   she   would   give   these   lectures   and   she   would   start   the   class   Like   every ,   every   semester .   She   would   start   with   this   thing   and   multiple   people   have   said ,   like   they&#39;ve   heard   her   say   this .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>40:39</time>
      <p>
          She   would   get   up   and   she&#39;d   be   like   I   know   the   original   language   is   better .   She&#39;s   talking   to   men   that   are   going   to   be   future   pastors .   She&#39;s   like   I   know   the   language   is   better   than   you   do .   I&#39;ve   communicated   to   tens   of   thousands   of   people .   I&#39;ve   written   over   20   books ,   I   know   the   language ,   I   know   the   gospel ,   likely   better   than   you   ever   will ,   and   yet   you   are   the   ones   that   are   called   to   preach .   So   get   out   your   pen   and   paper   and   take   notes ,   because   the   church   needs   you .   And   out   of   those   classes   Kevin   D   Young ,   rc   Sproul   and   the   Kellers ,   not   to   mention   who   knows   however   many   other   pastors   they&#39;ve   all   been   inspired .   They&#39;ve   all   taken   her   courses   and   been   inspired   by   her   classes ,   absolutely   amazing .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>41:15</time>
      <p>
          And   you   know ,   we   know   the   most   famous   quote   by   Jim   Elliott   he   is   no   fool   who   gives   up   what   he   cannot   keep   to   gain   what   he   cannot   lose .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>41:24</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   so   true   and   that&#39;s   basically   what   his   philosophy   was .   Now   listen   to   this   quote   by   him ,   and   this   is   from   a   man   who   was   unwilling   to   accept   the   way   of   escape ,   even   though   he   had   it   right   In   terms   of   his   life .   But   listen   to   what   he   said .   Unwillingness   to   accept   God&#39;s   way   of   escape   from   temptation   frightens   me .   What   a   rebel   yet   resides   within   God .   Mercifully   gives   us   a   way   of   escape   from   temptation   and   we&#39;re   unwilling   to   take   it   Like   it&#39;s   right   there .   Hey ,   you   can   be   free   from   this .   No ,   I&#39;m   going   to   give   into   this .   That&#39;s   terrifying .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>42:01</time>
      <p>
          Especially   in   light   of   the   fact   that   we   say   God   is   so   faithful ,   is   he   faithful ,   he&#39;s   so   trustworthy ,   and   then   we   go   in   sin .   Wait ,   is   he   faithful   and   trustworthy ?   Well   then ,   trust   the   plan ,   you   know .   But   isn&#39;t   it   the   case   that   we   often   will   shun   that   and   we   say   that   God   is   not   faithful   through   our   actions ,   every   time   we   take   a   bite   of   that   apple ,   every   time   we   nibble   on   the   things   of   this   world   and   not   go   after   the   things   of   God .   You   know ,   god   forbid ,   there   needs   to   be   a   fire   lit   underneath   us   so   that   we   go   even   harder .   And   that&#39;s   what   trials   do ,   right ,   and   when   we   try   to ,   and   we   Ray ,   we   say   tongue   in   cheek   with   refiners   fire .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>42:37</time>
      <p>
          We   don&#39;t   want   to   give   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>42:39</time>
      <p>
          But ,   truth   be   told ,   god&#39;s   not   going   to   give   us   what   we   don&#39;t   need ,   right ?   He&#39;s   not   just   going   to   go   all   right ,   you   saying   that ,   or   you   hum   that ,   or   you   did   that ,   well ,   I&#39;m   going   to   turn   on   the   fire .   For   no ,   no   specific   reason .   No ,   god   doesn&#39;t   waste   anything ,   right ?   Everything   instead   of   our   life   is   hand   given ,   hand ,   directed ,   hand   picked   by   God   in   order   to   make   us   into   the   image   of   His   Son   more   and   more   and   to   prepare   us   for   every   good   work .   We   don&#39;t   have   to   worry   that   God   is   behind   the   scenes ,   busy   with   a   lot   of   different   things ,   and   saying ,   oh ,   you   like   saying   refiners   fire ,   or   you&#39;re   not   wanting   to   do   that ,   and   he   just   kind   of   spanks   us   along   the   way .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>43:14</time>
      <p>
          God   is   not   like   that ,   right .   Everything   that   God   does   instead   of   our   life   is   purposeful ,   unlike   us   as   we   kind   of   meander   through   this   maze   kind   of   making   decisions .   God   is   very   purposeful   with   His   children .   And   finally ,   I   just   remember   a   missionary   who   was   in   Peru   and   as   he   was   in   Peru ,   he   got   picked   up   by   the   police   and   the   police   were   pulling   him   to   the   police   station   and   he   was   asked   the   question   by   the   police   officer .   He   says   are   you   afraid ?   You   look   afraid ,   are   you   afraid ?   The   missionary   said   I&#39;m   very   afraid .   He   says   good ,   you   should   be .   He   said   well ,   no ,   I&#39;m   not   afraid   for   me ,   I&#39;m   afraid   for   you .   Right ,   that&#39;s   a   focus   that   we   need   to   have ,   because   when   somebody   comes   up   against   us ,   they&#39;re   not   just   coming   up   against   us ,   they&#39;re   coming   up   against   God&#39;s   child ,   and   God   takes   that   very   personal .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>44:05</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   At   the   end   of   the   day ,   it   comes   down   to   trust ,   doesn&#39;t   it   Ray ?   Trusting   the   Lord   with   our   lives .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>44:10</time>
      <p>
          Those   slay   me .   Yeah ,   well ,   I   trust   them   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>44:14</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   Mark ,   that&#39;s   a   quote   from   the   book   of   Job .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>44:17</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   not   saying   it   Mark .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>44:20</time>
      <p>
          It   just   reminds   me   of   a   quote   by   Thomas   Watson   in   the   book   the   Art   of   Divine   Contentment .   He   said   a   contended   Christian   does   not   go   to   choose   his   cross   but   leaves   God   to   choose   for   him .   He   is   content   both   for   the   kind   of   the   affliction   and   the   duration   of   the   affliction .   A   contented   spirit   says   let   God   apply   whatever   medicine   he   pleases   and   let   it   lie   on   as   long   as   it   will .   I   know   when   it   has   done   its   cure   and   eaten   the   venom   of   sin   out   of   my   heart ,   god   will   take   it   away .   And   Ray ,   as   we   wrap   up   here ,   your   name   is   Ray   Comfort   Comfort ,   but   you   went   through   a   very ,   very   uncomfortable ,   difficult ,   painful   trial .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>45:03</time>
      <p>
          Which   one   are   you   talking   about ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>45:05</time>
      <p>
          This   one   right   now ,   when   an   Arab   became   your   son ,   when   you   went   through   the   agarophobia   yeah ,   that   you   went   through   and   that   was   devastating   for   your   life ,   but   God   did   a   lot   and   you   threw   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>45:19</time>
      <p>
          Oh   yeah ,   he   broke   me   Absolutely ,   destroyed   me   this   was   before   the   ministry   really   took   off .   Yes ,   before   the   ministry   took   off ,   and   I   remember   reading   a   quote ,   I   think   it   was   toes   of   for   God   uses   man ,   god   breaks   a   man .   Mark&#39;s   taking   pictures   of   me .   That&#39;s   your   phone .   It&#39;s   on   my   phone .   Get   rid   of   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>45:35</time>
      <p>
          What   a   pain .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>45:36</time>
      <p>
          He&#39;s   a   continual   irritation .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>45:39</time>
      <p>
          Mark&#39;s   your   cross .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>45:40</time>
      <p>
          He&#39;s   creating   a   pearl   in   me .   He&#39;s   in   the   oyster   shell ,   always   picking   on   me ,   but   I   love   it ,   yeah .   So   whatever   I   said   was   really   great .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>45:50</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   you   were   in   the   oyster   shell   Ray .   You   were   quoting   someone   or   saying   something .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>45:54</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   AW   Tozer   said   before   God   uses   a   man ,   God   breaks   a   man .   And   that   gave   me   great   consolation ,   because   I   ended   up   broken   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>46:01</time>
      <p>
          I   mean ,   it   was   severe .   Three   when   you   went   through .   Yeah ,   so ,   oscar ,   what&#39;s   the   big   takeaway   from   the   day   in   light   of   the   Elliott&#39;s   and   their   extraordinary   example ?   I   mean ,   again ,   we&#39;ve   mentioned   how   biblical   characters   didn&#39;t   see   the   end   of   the   story ,   but   you   know ,   the   same   is   true   with   extra   biblical   characters .   I   mean ,   they   didn&#39;t   fully   see   it ,   at   least   Jim   didn&#39;t .   Elizabeth   got   to   see   some   of   it ,   but   her   life   is   still   bearing   fruit .   I   mean ,   you   mentioned   those   three ,   three   leaders .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>46:33</time>
      <p>
          I   think ,   especially   right   now ,   like   you   don&#39;t   need   to   go   to   some   Ecuadorian   jungle   to   experience   danger   and   to   preach   the   gospel .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>46:41</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;re   in   it ,   we   are   living .   If   you&#39;re   here ,   I   mean ,   I   recognize   that   this   podcast   goes   out   all   over   the   world   and   so   maybe   you&#39;re   living   in   emissions   field ,   it&#39;s   like   that ,   and   that&#39;s   your   hometown   for   us   in   the   United   States .   Let   me   talk   to   us   in   the   United   States   for   a   second .   Here   we   are   living   in   a   kind   of   Babylon .   We   are   exiles   and   we   need   to   be   evangelists   as   exiles .   We   are   living   in   a   foreign   land .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>47:02</time>
      <p>
          This   is   not   our   home ,   and   I   think   that&#39;s   the   key   thing   that   we   have   to   remember   is   that   we   are ,   every   single   one   of   us ,   exiles .   This   is   not   our   home   and   God   has   called   us   to   be   faithful ,   to   be   on   mission .   But   man ,   that&#39;s   exciting   and   good   news .   There   are   so   many   of   us   out   there   living   without   purpose ,   living   to   do   nothing   else   but   to   pursue   comfort   in   our   own   life ,   and   that   is   a   boring ,   horrible   life   to   live .   But   the   Christian   is   born   again ,   saved   from   sin   and   put   on   mission   for   the   glory   of   God   and   the   good   of   our   neighbors .   That   means   that   your   life   has   purpose   and   that   purpose   is   to   proclaim   the   exilences   of   the   one   who   brought   you   out   of   death   into   life .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>47:48</time>
      <p>
          Amen .   Well   put ,   oscar .   And   yeah ,   friends   recognize   that   we   are   on   a   mission   field .   I   mean ,   ray ,   you   put   it   well ,   with   the   universities   today ,   we   used   to   be   able   to   say ,   maybe   10   years   ago ,   people   are   gospel   hardened .   Now   I   feel   like   it&#39;s   come   full   circle .   People   are   gospel   ignorant .   This   young   generation   are   gospel   ignorant ,   boy .   They   are   disconnected   from   the   foundations   of   God&#39;s   Word   and   even   the   basics   of   the   gospel .   And   so   we   have   a   mission   field   here ,   amen .   If   you   feel   called   elsewhere ,   be   faithful   here   and   let   the   Lord   then   send   you   on .   All   right ,   friends .   Wow ,   that   was   powerful .   I   thought   I&#39;d   make   it   through   without   crying .   I   didn&#39;t ,   but   I   never   thought   you   had   a   chance .   I   thought   I   might ,   but   I   will   cry   if   you   don&#39;t   get   the   curved   illusion   tracked .   Make   sure   to   check   them   out .   No   longer   pink   and   blue ,   red   and   blue   the   proper   colors   and   over .   Get   the   track   sample   pack   and   the   evidence .   Study   Bible ,   oh ,   and   the   Living   Waters   podcast   mug   that   is   sitting   on   our   tables   here   so   beautifully .   They&#39;ve   been   going   fast ,   friends .   Get   them .   Get   them   now .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>48:52</time>
      <p>
          So   you   can   flick   our   faces   with   your   finger ,   flick   our   faces ,   do   tic-tac-toe   with   our   faces ,   whatever   you   want   to   do ,   and   make   sure   to   send   us   your   thoughts   and   comments   to   podcastatlivingwaterscom .   Give   us   ratings   and   comments   on   the   platform   where   you   listen .   Thank   you   for   joining   us ,   friends .   We&#39;ll   see   you   here   next   time   on   the   Living   Waters   podcast ,   where   especially   Mark ,   as   he   stares   at   me   now ,   has   no   idea   what   he&#39;s   doing .   What   he&#39;s   doing ,   that   was   funny .   

      </p>