Spiritual Battle and Impulse Buying

Mark Spence

There's a spiritual battle that is happening and , as you are married to this non-believer , christ knows what you're going through and you're going to go through that with Him . Don't lose heart . I don't know what you do other than run to the Lord . Now you need to run to the Lord Unlike ever before . If I was to go to prison , you guarantee that . My prayer life is going to be raised up , my study is going to be raised up , I'm going to be known inside that area as a Christian and I'm going to love . I'm going to love the people around me , unbelievers and believers alike . If you're married to a non-believer , be rich in good works . Let them know that you love them , that you are going to unconditionally and sacrificially be there for them . Go above and beyond , maybe in cooking and cleaning or providing financially to speak good words to them .

Emeal Zwayne

Music 485 . I see the man back there with that number 495 . That girl one's going twice 490 . 490 . I see the man back there with that number and the lady over there with that number $500 . $500 , going twice , going three times . Sold to the man with a young , grown toenail in the back , $500 .

Oscar Navarro

Sorry real quick , Eddie , there's something wrong . Normally I have easy on mute , but I can hear him right now , please , somebody makes sense for me of auctioneers .

Ray Comfort

They've all got slurred speech . That's the problem .

Oscar Navarro

I feel like you could do it , though , because you are a quick talker .

Emeal Zwayne

I have to say , in one sense they drive me nuts and in another sense I'm fascinated by them .

Ray Comfort

Is it an art ? They do it deliberately , yeah but why not ?

Emeal Zwayne

like you know , sold to the lady in the back with no head . Like what ? Where ?

Oscar Navarro

did it go from ? I actually had a friend who was an auctioneer Stop it . He ended up quitting to become an archeologist . Oh , that makes sense . His careers are ruins .

Emeal Zwayne

That's a logical one , it's a ruins . Oh , that's funny . Oh no , he didn't . Good one Oscar . Oh , good one Oscar . You saved one . Oh yeah , you're welcome to the podcast today after that other really good one that you did . What was it ? Karma , oh karma .

Mark Spence

Karma , karma , karma .

Ray Comfort

Anyway , anyway , I love going to auctions like that and standing beside people who are friends , who hold their hands loosely and just flicking their hands up in the air . I've done it once or twice Like that , really , yes , and I've also with Scotty who had come back from Huntington Beach , would come off the off ramp and then be a whole lot of guys selling flowers and looking to catch an eye and I'd get his hand and go like that and over that come immediately because his hand went up .

Emeal Zwayne

That's terrible , right . But you know , I think my philosophy is they do that because it creates a sense of panic and anxiety . Oh , 100% , Right . Yeah , Because I mean , if you're like okay and if anyone else .

Emeal Zwayne

Is there anyone else you're ?

Emeal Zwayne

like you just feel like take my money . No , I would like to sit down with an auctioneer and like have them explain the science to me .

Ray Comfort

I'm sure to be something on YouTube explaining the science of auctioneers .

Emeal Zwayne

We have to look it up , let's do the whole podcast on auctioneers . What's an auctioneer's favorite thing ? To auction off His ears .

Ray Comfort

Did I get it ?

Emeal Zwayne

Yes , and I made this up right , oh dear .

Emeal Zwayne

It's because I know how your brain works .

Ray Comfort

Well , he has ears to heal in here I should have guessed that .

Emeal Zwayne

you would have guessed that . Yeah , you know you think about that too . It's like getting something in the heat of the moment , under pressure , that you end up regretting . I never do that I am the oh no , You're the whole . You're the obscene on TV guy .

Ray Comfort

I am the ultimate pulse of buyer . I purchase so much stuff that I don't need . I think what do you ? I got some gifts for you guys that I threw in the trash the other day . What I'll take it ? No , you won't . When you store it there , we're as about 60 of these little chickens that you put on your finger and pull back and fire at people .

Oscar Navarro

Why didn't you give them up ? I want that .

Ray Comfort

No , I thought I can't give you guys that .

Emeal Zwayne

Why We'll be shooting you right now . I know that's why that would be so amazing .

Ray Comfort

They were sitting at home for about a month and I thought , no , those are going in the trash .

Emeal Zwayne

Order them again .

Oscar Navarro

I will tell you , speaking of impulse buying , if there is a website that has Apple Pay , I'm in trouble .

Mark Spence

I will buy whatever it is .

Emeal Zwayne

Are you serious ?

Oscar Navarro

Yeah , If I'll get an advertisement for a pair of shoes or something and I'll go on the website . If there's no Apple Pay , I have a chance . But if there's Apple Pay , I'm buying them . They're mine Because it's so easy to do .

Emeal Zwayne

It's just too easy .

Ray Comfort

I have to get ripped off so much on Amazon because I keep buying stuff not looking at the size of what it is . I mean I see this neat little stool that I know is a perfect little stool and actually is two inches high .

Emeal Zwayne

You know what ? You can't climb up on top of it . I set myself up for that didn't I .

Ray Comfort

I remember once I might have mentioned this before a lady said do you want the best price when I purchase something ? And I said , oh , yes , please . Well , I just got a subscription to a magazine called Best Price . No , yeah , for a year .

Emeal Zwayne

Do you ?

Ray Comfort

want the best price . Oh , yes , please .

Emeal Zwayne

That is very devious .

Ray Comfort

It was . I did cancel the subscription , but I couldn't help but admire the deviousness of the . That is really evil and wicked . I was so pleased with the lady . Would you like the best price ? Oh , yes , please . Thank you so much .

Emeal Zwayne

So , ray , are you the one that buys into those infomercials where someone is looking utterly miserable because their pencil doesn't write well and it ? Looks like their life's going to end .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , well , that's that .

Emeal Zwayne

Yes , there's a new electric pencil . Oh , it looks like you're lying I really want it already .

Ray Comfort

There is one .

Emeal Zwayne

What is it , though , ray , what gets you to buy this stuff ?

Ray Comfort

Well , the only thing I don't fall for are those exercise machines that show people really happy while they're exercising . I never fall for that because I know that's a lie . It doesn't come with a smile .

Oscar Navarro

You can get it right under your bed .

Emeal Zwayne

Everything else , everything else will be forever . No kidding , everything else gets you , though , right , ray ?

Ray Comfort

Almost . Yeah , I have to be very , very careful . Oh wow , I recognize my weaknesses , all of them .

Emeal Zwayne

I should present getting money from Ray in infomercial style . Send him a video of me doing all this stuff , and if you send this Arab ear money , your life will never look out of his eyes or light of it your life will never be the same .

Oscar Navarro

Easy payments 2490 .

Emeal Zwayne

Isn't that dumb ? Yeah , this easy is really easy payments .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , obviously crooks yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

Great friends . Okay , look , this is so , so cool . Someone named Shane from Alabama sent us all in and out cards and I'm not gonna give the amount , but let me just say it was enormous for each one of us four guys here , and then for our staff members , and then for you , ready to give out when you're out witnessing .

Oscar Navarro

Oh , I didn't know they sent . I knew they sent us the car .

Emeal Zwayne

I was a little bit more ons , I mean , it was kindness , unbelievable , seriously , and and so , shane , we just want to say thank you , brother . It really blessed us . I'm still using mine .

Oscar Navarro

I I just literally last night my wife and I and our kids had dinner on Shane .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , no , I got it in my wallet . I'm just always going . You know what I did with mine ?

Mark Spence

Did you ? My son turned 23 and that was his gift from us . It was so much , oh yeah it was huge so .

Emeal Zwayne

Shane . Thank you , brother . We're very blessed and .

Ray Comfort

We all . Maybe Shane's wife had something to do with oh and Shane's wife . Yeah , this is Shane , thank you and this is Shane .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , no , seriously , your , your sacrifice Did not go wasted . You , you blessed us deeply and , more than even just the cards , the gesture of your care , that just that touched us . So thank you so much . And then we got an amazing piece of artwork from a sister named lilac . That they did , that did some , some drawings of Ray , mark , oscar , myself , and I loved what was on the shirts too . First she had Ray saying yeah , right , she had me and it said wheezy and I'm dying , wheezing on the Table . And then Oscar , it says 100% .

Oscar Navarro

I didn't realize that . I always say that .

Emeal Zwayne

And then , and then it has marks in the nerve and it just says judgmental silence . It's perfect . With his eyes squinted .

Oscar Navarro

We need to make this available somehow for our listeners . I know maybe we can . Let's do this . We will have a link in the show comments and we'll have Brad posted up .

Emeal Zwayne

Okay , oscar , you take a look at that .

Ray Comfort

I will , because we keep our word here and , by the way , a friend of mine sent me this ball for my dog and the ball actually says yep right , yep right . Oh , I love that ball Just weird Sue was mentioning last night . How could be a ball the dog plays ?

Emeal Zwayne

right front , Yep right .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , and she's so insightful that the t-shirts all say something that we're wearing in . The artwork says Ray says Sam's Sunglass Shop , mine says baklava inspector . Oscar says do you even coffee ? And Mark says I love cats , I just can't . So , lilac , thank you so much . That's very sweet . You really really encouraged us , and she included a letter with it and it says this Easy my husband and I listen to your podcast daily .

Emeal Zwayne

Every topic is so rich in information , encouragement and wisdom . While he waits for a new one , he starts all the way at the beginning and re listens to the old ones . It's a wonderful thing we get to converse about at the end of the work day . Everyone I come across I always end up going . Have you heard of the living ? Well , have you heard of living waters ? They have a podcast about that . That may get it that they may get annoyed by how much I love your podcast and push them their way , but I don't care because they're just that good . I'm even fortunate enough to have a Christian boss and have even shared the podcast with her , specifically snuffing out slander and giving up gossip for the workplace .

Emeal Zwayne

Your podcasts have deeply influenced my life , and loving God and pouring out Under others . I really don't know what I would have done without you guys always humming in my ear my headphones . The podcast is engaging , entertaining and abundant and all things godly . Please don't stop making them , therefore , my beloved brother , and be steadfast and movable , always abounding in the work of the Lord , knowing that your labor is not in vain . And the Lord , I hope you're encouraged praying for you all . Ps , I have big brown eyes and , listening your podcast , my husband now teases me about them . Oh , thanks , yeah , like the Arab cherub's eyes . So thank you , lilac . Thank you for that amazing artwork . Again , we're gonna let everyone see it . Who wants to see it ? I'll scroll to care that . Done , done and yeah , praise the Lord .

Emeal Zwayne

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Emeal Zwayne

All right , enough silliness guys . We're actually dealing with a pretty serious topic today , and one I think that I'm sure a number of our Listeners will be happy to hear us address , and that is how to dwell with an unbelieving Spouts we should have had .

Oscar Navarro

Laura here for this . Oh , you stole my opening line .

Mark Spence

The struggle is very obvious . Just ask raised daughter Rachel .

Emeal Zwayne

Boy . Poor Rachel man . She has had to put up with a lot with me . I mean people don't realize .

Oscar Navarro

Yeah , we know , we all know .

Emeal Zwayne

I mean , arabs are crazy , man , we are crazy . This poor , innocent gentle , soft-spoken , quiet New Zealander girl , a Mary's , an Arab , and I mean the first time she came to a family gathering , oh , Boy , I was just thinking what that would have been like because I go to Ray and Seuss . I took him a big old oh I to this day my heart is broken a big old bullet to bully my sister slaved over and they had maybe , maybe , a quarter of a bite each .

Ray Comfort

I am right quarter of a bite .

The Danger of Marrying Unbelievers

Ray Comfort

And then you send us a video of you at a wedding and I'm never sending it like it look like a disco , just you doing this sort of a hula thing . It was just quite amazing .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , but wait at our rehearsal dinner .

Ray Comfort

That was it was just the rehearsal .

Emeal Zwayne

You were there , you know I wasn't , you were there for the rehearsal dinner .

Ray Comfort

No , I don't think so .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , you are . I'm offended , for sure , 100% . You and mom were there and you were fascinated because all my sisters were dancing and I was doing some dancing and how much was the outhouse at the wedding ? Oh yeah $100 .

Ray Comfort

It was a lot of money like 60 years ago .

Emeal Zwayne

We're still better .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , I'm still better , no one used to .

Emeal Zwayne

Houses are the greatest things in the world . Take two .

Emeal Zwayne

I should have done so , but no , I mean seriously like I'd go over to rain , susan , it's like man , just quiet , air , pin drop and Rachel comes to my poor families gathered , everyone jumping around , ripping each other's hair out of their head , and I mean , yeah , so anyway , but so we're looking unbelievers in a marriage yeah unbelievers in a marriage .

Emeal Zwayne

I mean , look that we're laughing and doing our thing , but there are , there are people listening now that Are probably in tears right now just even hearing the topic , totally because this is a reality for a lot of people . And there are some who are in this predicament because they got married before they got saved and then they got saved and they have an unbelieving husband or wife . There are others that thought they married a believer and then realized , uh-oh , they're not a believer . And then there are others who willfully disobeyed the Lord and married an unbeliever and now they're Reaping the consequences of having done that . So we want to be sensitive today , but we also want to be honest and and we want to deal with this- when are we not ?

Oscar Navarro

always Some dishonesty here and there .

Emeal Zwayne

But you know , we want to really be frank . Yeah , frank and earnest . You're already Frank Frank , yeah , that's true , that's my name at restaurants . But you , yeah , it's , it's a . It's a deep topic , it's a very Serious one , and I think that it's important for another reason , and I want to start there . So , before we jump into dwelling with an unbelieving spouse , I think we should just briefly touch on the wisdom that should be Heeded to not get married to an unbeliever in the first place . Right , I was a very deep breath .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , it reminds me of an experience I had I may have spoken of before , where Rachel , when she was a little toddler , like she was about Six or seven you may remember this easy because I see you playing with phone I was in the shower and she called out what color ? What I do , my report ? She had to have a color on the heading and I said , well , I do it red with a black background because she was drawing my wisdom , because I've had experience and all that sort of thing . And she called out what about green ? And I thought , oh well , she doesn't want read with a black background . So I said yellow was another outstanding color and you could enhance it by doing this and maybe have a black daughter . She's called out what about green ?

Mark Spence

And so .

Ray Comfort

I said green . Then she says okay , thanks dad . And walked off . And that's how can we that we can be like that with prayer ? So , oh god I need your direction for should I marry so-and-so and God says don't be married to an unbeliever . Yeah , what about green ? Yeah , I'm not asking you , I'm telling you what I want . You know , I want this and you end up getting green and it doesn't work .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , no , it's so true . And and second , corinthians 6 , 14 is where we find that text Do not be unequally yoke together with unbelievers , for what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness , and what communion has light with darkness ? And what accord has Christ with Belial ? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever ?

Emeal Zwayne

And what agreement has a temple of God with idols ? For you are the temple of the living God , as God has said . I will dwell on them and walk among them . I will be their God and they shall be my people . Therefore , come out from among them and be separate , says the Lord . Do not touch what is unclean and I will receive you . I will be a father to you . You shall be my sons and daughters , says the Lord almighty . So mark that this is a heavy thing . You and I've pastored for many years . We've done many weddings and we've been approached by people who wanted to be unequally yoke , and I'd love for you to just speak to that the Folly and the danger associated with it .

Mark Spence

Hey boy , I cannot think of anything More devastating . When a believer chooses to move ahead and marry a non-believer Goes against all sound wisdom , rages against all advice . That's gonna be godly . And they go ahead and move forward . I can't imagine and we won't .

Mark Spence

You and I will not officiate a wedding from a believer and a non-believer . You even have to begin to question if they are a believer , if they are raging against the wisdom of People inside their lives as they open up scripture . I mean , you're so Not just mistaken , you're . You're blinded to the reality , thinking that you know better than God does Randy Smith . He said as Christians we are told to be evenly yoked , specifically to marry another believer . There are many talented and sacrificial , hard-working and kind unbelievers out there , but the reality cannot be overlooked . The unbeliever , in biblical terms , hates your savior . There is no neutrality with the Lord . How could you ever spend the rest of your life with someone who hates the one that you love the most ? How could you ever come to an agreement on any key worldview issues ? It's impossible . Wait for God's Best .

Ray Comfort

Why does have a tragic spin to it , like bringing up your children and the fear and the admonition of the lord . None believe is not going to want that . That's right . The fear of God's going to be offensive to him .

Mark Spence

Yeah , two cannot walk together unless they agree , right ? I mean everything . You're , you're just going to disagree on everything . Listen , beauty is vain charmers to see , but a woman who fears the Lord , she shall be praised there . There comes a point where you're watching a movie and then you want to turn the movie off , but your spouse wants to keep watching the movie . They don't have the same conviction . What do you have in common ? Food , I mean . Politics are going to be heading in different directions . You're going to believe , be believing different things . What do you have in common if you say , well , they are so nice . Well , just wait , because that's going to change and repentance isn't going to be there . And you're , they're not going to be asking for forgiveness when they should be asking for forgiveness . Yeah , well , they're beautiful . Well , wait for the 2024 model , because that version is right around the corner . You know , ears begin to droop and hair begins to continually grow out of ears and things get worse and worse . What do you have in common that is significant ?

Ray Comfort

You're talking about the man with the hair growing out of the ears , obviously .

Mark Spence

Yeah , so there , there , there are so many warnings . Listen , just wait . And I have an encouragement you know , if people are Interested in each other and they both love the Lord , and it's heading the right direction . I said get married as soon as you can and enjoy All the different difficulties of life as fast as you can go through it together . I want to see the world first . See the world with your spouse . Yeah , it'll be so much better . So , yeah , big warning .

Oscar Navarro

I don't know how my marriage would be what it is if not for the gospel boy .

Ray Comfort

That was dramatic .

Emeal Zwayne

Well , I was waiting

The Significance of Biblical Marriage

Emeal Zwayne

for you .

Oscar Navarro

There's like a gap between every word I'm , I'm ruminating on the reality of it , like I'm trying to comprehend how we would have survived the last 12 years . I mean every nuanced detail , every disagreement . We've had everything . We've celebrated every way that we raise our kids , the way we've gone about our finances , the way we've organized our life around the groups of friends we have . That the very vision of our marriage is to glorify God . It's not self interested , you know , and I just I love , I think , I believe that I have a beautiful , vibrant marriage . I'm blessed by it . It has its trials , but in the good and in the bad . I don't know how it works Without God working in both of us simultaneously .

Oscar Navarro

It just doesn't make sense to me .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , yeah , and I think that oftentimes a big mistake made by Christian parents is they don't paint the picture for their kids early enough and helping them to understand the the deeper significance of being married to a believer , and so our kids aren't discipled in that direction and then the next generation grows up and it's it's not taken as seriously as it should be . I love this by Jim McGuigan . He said there aren't many things more stupid than Christians relying on a forbidding text to keep young people from marrying non-believers without offering rich , warm , inspirational biblical theology about Christian destiny , mission and maximum joy . By the time some young man or woman is speaking of marriage to a non-believer , it's already too late . To quote a verse of scripture .

Oscar Navarro

I received really good wisdom from a friend of mine a few years ago and he said at an early age , before your girls are thinking about boys or when they start thinking about boys , you have to make a list of all the things they want in their husband . And anytime they have a crush , anytime you know a boy gets their eyes , you take out that list and you and you say where is he at on this list ? You know , you put on the list that he would love the Lord , that he would pursue him with his heart , soul , mind , this is really good off correction .

Oscar Navarro

And and if that's not on the list , you said little things , like he loves dogs , that he wants to spend time with my family . You go through the list to help them understand . Are you just caught up in a moment ? Are these your emotions taking hold of you , or is there something of value of worth to pursue here ? And the second thing was to like you're kind of alluding to we can't just tell them not to marry an unbeliever . We also have to give them a reason why they should be in a biblical marriage , and that's by putting the fruits of your own marriage on display , and the good and the bad .

Oscar Navarro

My wife and I try to practice if we come to a disagreement about something , we don't go in the other room and talk it out , but we also don't elevate our voices . We don't argue with one another . We talk it out gracefully . We're willing to confess and repent , we're willing to reconcile and we're willing to do all those things in front of our children . Because I want my kids to know the first time someone raises their voice at them , I want it to be a foreign experience . I want them to be like whoa .

Oscar Navarro

This is not what I'm used to seeing from my mom and my dad . You know I want them to see a willingness to repent , to say I'm sorry . I want them to know my dad would say I'm sorry to my mom all the time and that's the kind of husband I want . That's the kind of husband my son , you know , I hope that my son becomes . And so to display biblical marriage in the good , the bad and the ugly , to display all of that to our kids is paramount To give them a taste of of of what God is trying to offer them .

Emeal Zwayne

So , ray , what do you say to the person who says , well , okay , I'm not married to this person , but I'm just , I'm just dating unbelievers . Uh , so I should be fine there . I didn't marry them , I haven't sinned yet .

Ray Comfort

I'll be playing with fire . Hmm , just stay away from something like that . Don't tempt yourself , because you're going to be Like Oscar was saying your emotions can take hold of you . So you don't think clearly . Yeah , especially in that realm .

Emeal Zwayne

So what is it , ray ? Is it an itch that someone just Like feels they have to scratch ? Is it ? I just am so attracted to this person . Is it a lack of spiritual depth ? It's stupidity , basically , is what it comes down to . Yeah , I just don't date an unbeliever .

Ray Comfort

You just don't do that .

Emeal Zwayne

You know , yeah , yeah .

Mark Spence

It shows you the depth of their spirituality as well . I mean , the biggest decision that you're going to make on this planet outside of salvation ? Here we're . We're saying you know better than God .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , I mean . Well , you know what is it ? One of the greatest causes of arguments and marriage is finances . Well , that's gonna be thrown dynamite among the finances if you want to tithe to your local church or give to a charity that he thinks a Christian charity and he doesn't want to . That's gonna cause huge problems , yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , and you think about it again from the standpoint of You're marrying someone who doesn't love , or I mean in real biblical terms , when we look at the heart of man Hates the one you love above all else .

Ray Comfort

Hmm , that's huge and blasphemes this name . Yeah , and you won't want to go on a mission Retrip with them .

Emeal Zwayne

So true , yeah , and and mark things fade quickly , don't they like the things that that bring people together Oftentimes ? I was just talking with with someone recently and just telling them you know the importance of Looking to what matters . And a spouse , right , I mean , look , all of us . I'm sure when we first met our wives we had them Cracking up , dying , rolling on the ground and laughter . We're still new . Yeah , over time , right , they get used to our jokes .

Ray Comfort

Of course they still appreciate us ? Oh no , they still laugh .

Emeal Zwayne

Go ahead how you doing , I'm doing great .

Mark Spence

I'm doing amazing , I'm thinking easy .

Emeal Zwayne

you need some counsel married , they laugh even more than before . They try , you guys are maintaining in mind yeah , so anyway , yeah , but but you know , those things that got someone excited , even beauty , right , I mean you , you , you still appreciate your spouse , you're , you're attracted to them , of course , sometimes in a deeper way in a sense . But but yeah , we get older , we change , we , but those things that that lured you , oftentimes divorced from character and godliness and A heart that has Christ at the center of it , that's not there , man , you're gonna realize . What am I left with ?

Emeal Zwayne

Hmm thanks , things that fade and marry a prince .

Ray Comfort

enough with a frog , yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , and the story of . Sue .

Ray Comfort

Until I croak do a good .

Emeal Zwayne

Do a good , frog crook right . All right , so now let's transition . Okay , we shared that . Friends . For any of you listening that may be on the brink there , I have no question there are some listening that are On the precipice of plunging into either a relationship with a non-Christian or into marriage . I wish I can get on my knees here and you could see me pleading with you to please not do it . I've done many weddings over the course of my life and I've had people who I told I would not marry because they were gonna marry an unbeliever Later come back and say I wish I would have listened . You don't want to be that kind of person . Trust me . I love the saying that says you would rather not have what you want Than to have what you don't want , and what you don't want is a lifetime with someone that doesn't love your savior .

Ray Comfort

And something we probably should add is that we're not looking down with condescension on an unbeliever , Absolutely no . You're saying it's just like someone from a different planet You're gonna marry and you don't want to do it .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , exactly . And look , unbelievers can relate in a sense that you know they wouldn't want to marry someone that doesn't share their greatest Interest or have any kind of inclination towards supporting it , even if they don't like it themselves . It's just , oh man , yeah , anyway , all right . So let's transition then to those that are there , those right now that are are in the midst of that pain again . It may not have been by choice , because they got , they got saved after they were married to the unbeliever , or they found out that person wasn't even a believer . What advice would you guys have ? We want to get in the scripture on that in a second here . In fact , let me do that first and then , and then we'll go from there . This is set first Corinthians 7 , 10 to 16 .

Emeal Zwayne

Now to the married . I command yet not I , but the Lord a wife is not to depart from her husband , but even if she does depart , let her remain unmarried or be reconciled . Her husband and a husband is not to divorce his wife . But to the rest I not the Lord say if any brother has a wife who does not believe and she's willing to live with him , let him not divorce her . And a woman who has a husband who does not believe , if he is willing to live with her , let her not divorce him , for the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband .

Emeal Zwayne

Otherwise your children would be unclean , but now they are holy . But if the unbeliever departs , let him depart . A brother or sister is not under bondage in such cases , but God has called us to peace . For how do you know , a wife , whether you will save your husband ? Or how do you know , oh husband , whether you will save your wife ? So , mark , take us into that . What's Paul talking about here in terms of hey , if you're married to an unbeliever , first of all , don't depart .

Mark Spence

Well , that's . It demonstrates how important marriage is To God . First and foremost . God hates Divorce . Now , we can say law on that for a very long time .

Mark Spence

Marriage is not something that our government came up with . Yeah , this has been instituted by God . Also , I would say that it's been defined by God . You know , between a man and a woman , we can't redefine that . When you are with someone and we've kind of we've talked about this right there there really is nothing that our Spouses can do that would make us love them less or want to move on . And when ? So when you have a nonbeliever married to a believer and my heart breaks for that believer , it's God's design , ultimately , for you to stay together . Yeah , you know , and he gives provision , you know , to move on , you know , in cases of adultery and whatnot . But it's God's desire for you to to be faithful , yeah , and to be a prayerful warrior and To get accountable . Get some good friends . You're not gonna get that , that great godly world views from home , so you need to get it elsewhere . You need to become a student of God's word .

Mark Spence

I remember when I became a Christian , my mom had told me we forbid you from going to church . Well , and I said , mom , you may be able to keep me out of church , but you can't keep Christ out of my heart and out of my life . And she didn't know what to say to that . I even know what I was saying when I said it . Really , but that that's really the case . So you're going to be run down . There's a spiritual battle that is happening and , as you are married to this non-believer , christ knows what you're going through and you're gonna go through that with him . Don't lose heart . So I don't know what you do other than run to the Lord . Now you need to run to the Lord , unlike ever before . If I was to go to prison , you guarantee that my prayer life is going to be raised up . My studies gonna be raised up . I'm gonna be known inside that area as a Christian , yeah , and I'm going to love . I'm gonna love the people around me , unbelievers and believers alike . If you're married to a non-believer , be rich in good works . Let them know that you love them , that you are going to unconditionally and sacrificially be there for them . Go above and beyond , maybe in cooking and cleaning or providing financially to speak good words to them . Read books like the love dare by our brothers , stephen and Alex Kendrick .

Mark Spence

You know where you have different ideas and how to creatively love your spouse , to love really the unlovable , where they don't make it easy , where your spouse , perhaps on a Sunday , just wants to watch football all day . You know you want to go to church on Sunday , they want to go to the river . You have to become creative on how you love and how you genuinely show respect and honor them . You know nobody's going to do that better than you . How do I know that ? Because you're in that position . You're in that position . It's a high and it's a holy calling . It is not God's desire for you now just to move on to somebody else . Yeah , you have major bed Right now .

Mark Spence

You got to live with it .

Mark Spence

You got to dwell with your , your spouse and understanding you understand their makeup better than they understand their own makeup .

Mark Spence

You understand the decisions that they're making .

Mark Spence

So you need to now dwell peaceably with them . You need to be quick to forgive them , even when they don't even ask for forgiveness . And that is an unusual position because our spouses are quick to what Oscar was saying , to have our children Hear us say I'm sorry . You know my , my spouse today said I'm sorry for something that I did to you yesterday and I didn't even think much of it . All right , Well , your spouse is not going to be quick to say I'm sorry for little things . There's big things where they won't even say I'm sorry for .

Mark Spence

You need to walk in that perpetual place of forgiving them . That is 70 times seven in a day . That's the life you're gonna have to live . It is a high place to be . It is a difficult place to be and I Encourage you to have accountability , to have fellowship , to be part of men's groups or women's groups , to get the word in you and there'll be ample opportunity to get it out of you . And what I would not do is I would not say First , corinthians 7 says that you know they don't care right , so you can share scripture . It is living in powerful , sharper than any two-edged sword , as Hebrews 412 tells us . But you can kind of share scripture in a roundabout way , and in those roundabout ways , still remember that it is living in powerful , maybe little portions of scripture and tying them all together .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah and Ray , we talked on the last episode just about being careful in the in the missionary realm from Looking abroad when you have unbelievers all around you . I mean , in essence , for those that are living in marriages where they have an unbelieving spouse that becomes their mission field .

Ray Comfort

Your aim is not to have a harmonious marriage . Your aim is to see your husband saved . You want him born again with a new heart and new desires , and so never give up in prayer . Prayer is your secret closet , he that dwells in the secret place the most high . I want to share something with you . It's very special in regards to God's faithfulness and to keep on praying

Impact of Believers on Unbelieving Spouses

Ray Comfort

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Ray Comfort

I've had a friend for a really yeah , he's a nice guy . He's the only one I've got , but I think we met when about 14 in high school . His name is Kerry Bennett . I got saved when I was 22 and he became an instant marker . He was not , he had a twisted , really fun sense of humor , but he'd always get the knife and whenever I'd mention the things of God to him , he was a Goliath marker , if I can say that even you know I'd write to him over the years . I'd write if I'd wait four or five years or I'm how are you doing , kerry ? He'd write back and do it . I don't need to say I'm doing good Hope , you're well , I'm making lots of money with your religion and always be that knife in there . Yeah , anyway , I .

Ray Comfort

About a month or so ago I wrote to him and said these are my words . I said do you have any thoughts on what happens after you die , because we're both in our seventies ? He's my age . What's your thoughts ? And I was blown away , blown away by what he wrote back . He said this wow , that's a really hard question . I'll have to think on it for a while . You've got no idea what this means to me to see that I'm going to start boosting her tears . He said my mind is all over the place since the death of my son and my wife recently , and it just it , just so . So I wrote back .

Ray Comfort

I left it for another couple of months and I wrote back and I said I think you've been often long for you to open up and ask me some questions about God and life and death . I mentioned our views on YouTube and I said okay , that gives me some credibility to sell just a little bit right to me . I said you want to offend me ? Hit me with some hard questions . You've got nothing to lose . I greatly value your friendship . And yesterday he wrote back thanks for reaching out . Sorry , I've not got back to you sooner . As we reach the pointy end of our lives , I am reassessing my thoughts on where we go from here and I'm more open and receptive than ever to changing for the better . I'm seeing an incredible lady , one of Anne's , that's his wife , best friends , and I feel someone has put us together against all odds . Suze is a believer like yourself , and I feel I'm coming down off the fence .

Emeal Zwayne

And he said talk soon .

Ray Comfort

That's 70s . Yeah , and I wrote back to my says I can hardly see what I'm emailing back to you because of the tears in my eyes . So it's been . I haven't seen him for 30 years , but never , never . Give up with your spouse , you know . Play with God and prayer and just show them you love them .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , we hear stories of people who prayed for decades for their spouse and it's in their 70s or 80s . They end up coming to Christ Roscoe . I wanted to ask you , and if you had something else you want to throw in there ? But but what do you do with the part here that also says okay , you're not to , you're not to divorce them if they're an unbeliever . However , if the unbeliever desires to depart , let them depart a brother or sister , they're called a peace in that . In that case , how do we deal with that ?

Oscar Navarro

Yeah Well , I think you got to start that by saying or repeating what Mark said , which is that , first and foremost , god hates divorce , that he wants us to be reconciled for his glory and our good at all times , in these situations . At the same time , you can't it's clear that you can't hold a non-believer accountable to God's will . You can't put him through church discipline and church discipline and the witness of elders is a very important aspect of marriage that it seems that the unbelieving spouse is outside of . But I think we have to be careful , because you don't want . What you don't want is to have a believer who's married to an unbeliever like hoping their unbeliever is going to leave them one day , because that also doesn't seem to be the will of God . And let me just say , going back to kind of what you guys were alluding to earlier , I think one of the most important witnesses there is out there in this world to the power of the gospel and the transformation it does as people is the witness that a believer has to their unbelieving spouse . Preach the gospel to them and then let them no one sees your heart more than the one you're married to , and so let them see . You kind of mentioned it before . Let them see the transformative power of the gospel . If you're a husband , let your unbelieving wife see you love and lead gently your wife and children like you never did before . Let that be a prick in their hearts of like a witness to the transforming power of the gospel . If you're a wife married to an unbeliever husband , let them see you lovingly serve your husband and your kids like you never have before , for the glory of God , and let that love and patience and grace be a prick to their hearts of the truth and reality of the gospel . Let them savor the fruit of God's work in your life and let them desire more .

Oscar Navarro

I have a good friend . You guys have met him . He's actually going to be on a trip with us soon . His name is Brian . He was a police officer . His wife got saved first . He never outwardly hated God , he was never angry at it , but he was like oh , that's cute , churches for you and the kids . I'm good with you and the kids going , but I've had a long day at work as a police officer , I'm not going with you .

Oscar Navarro

And so there was contention in their marriage and someone went to Linda his wife and was like man , love . Love him in that , love him well in that . Let him see you love and serve and honor him as you honor the Lord . But honor the Lord first . And I mean now he's . He got saved . He's a elder candidate at our church , like he preaches the gospel at our church . You know they have a beautiful marriage now . But it wasn't . But it was years that Linda spent praying for him and pursuing him with the gospel and with the transformative power in the gospel . And so my big encouragement if you are , if you are a new believer or you're a believer recently and you're married to an unbeliever , pursue them with the transformative work of the gospel in your life . Let them see that and let that be a prick to their soul .

Emeal Zwayne

Amen , yeah , and I think too it's important to clear up maybe what might be some confusion in the text here , where Paul says that the spouse is sanctified by the believing , unbelieving spouse is sanctified by Ray's phone . That's making music .

Ray Comfort

No , that's turned off . Yeah , I know why . Yeah , and what's YouTube ?

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , right , Sorry about that .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , so , so so it's rolling his eyes like I do that all the time .

Oscar Navarro

Oh yeah , First time first time occurrence 101 things you do to annoy your co-hosts .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , that needs to be the next book , right , anyway , where Paul talks here about the unbelieving spouse being sanctified by the believing spouse , or your children being holy , and it's important that we recognize that that is in a matrimonial or in a familial sense , as John MacArthur notes . It's not talking about it in a spiritual or in a salvific sense . Basically , what that means is there are blessings preferred from the believer to the unbeliever . God blesses those that are within the circle of the believer and and and those transfer over , in that sense , the common graces and blessings of God through the believer to the unbeliever . So it's important to remember that . But there is that opportunity to have massive impact . You know how many unbelievers finally came to that place where they were like , wow , I saw my spouse continue to love me in the midst of all the things that I did and my animosity toward the gospel and and my rudeness and you know , so on and so forth . And so we have that opportunity .

Emeal Zwayne

But let me just say too , as a clarifying point , that if you are in a situation where there is abuse , you need to get out , yes , and you need to get out quickly . You need to get to a place of safety , you need to get counselors involved . If there's violence , you may need to get the police involved . That's very , very important to understand because a lot of times people get a misunderstanding in that regard . They think , oh , I'm I'm fine to stick around with abuse . That's never acceptable , because tolerating wickedness and evil and allowing it to continue when it can be stopped is not something that we should do .

Emeal Zwayne

Outside of that , outside of abuse , of course , there is that opportunity to have impact . I mean this is for the wife . 1 Peter , 3 , 1 to 6 , wives likewise be submissive to your own husbands . They've even , even if some do not obey the word , they , without a word , may be won by the conduct of their wives when they observe your chase conduct accompanied by fear . And then he goes on and talks about not letting your dormant be out external and he ends it by talking about Sarah and her godliness and she says if you do good and are not afraid , without any terror . So he talks about that honor , that respect , that healthy , godly fear . But then he says , hey , you're to do it without being afraid with terror , but it's under the Lord . So , mark , I'd love for you to just speak to that in terms of being able to win a husband over an unbelieving husband , without even a word needing to be spoken because of the conduct of their wives .

Mark Spence

Yeah , this is probably one of those instances where we evangelize through friendship , right , and being that rich in good works . I just I can't imagine what somebody's gone through being married to a non-believer and how to go about doing it . It's a whole new mission field and , as Ray said , this is your greatest mission . Now you think about the hardships that we go through . Right , my daughter Eden had her wisdom teeth taken out . Today , yeah , that is the biggest thing . Instead of her life , right , her life is like coming unglued because she had her teeth taken out . That is nothing compared to the trials of an individual who is married to a non-believer .

Mark Spence

But listen , as hard as this is , it's not an impossible task to still walk with God in simplicity and to love on Him and to receive from Him and to enjoy marriage . It is still possible to enjoy marriage because , remember , marriage is God's idea and it's more blessed to give than to receive , and you're going to be doing a whole lot more giving than receiving when you're married to a non-believer . So many things are going to be affected by this . It is a sweet place of worship that can be experienced , that we don't need to experience .

Mark Spence

I remember teaching my kids , my daughters about the dangers of being trafficked and then what to do if you ever get trafficked , on how to stay focused in the midst of your captors and the midst of being abused , and how to worship God in the midst . Well , it's a whole . It's a higher plateau , it's a different plateau , it's a different place . Being married , and don't mistake that , that God has now abandoned you because you have decided to go against His perfect will , as is prescribed inside of the Word of God . He's still a very present help and time in need . He still says draw near to me and I'll draw near to you . His Word still applies to you . You have to trust Him .

Mark Spence

All the more Hard place to be but , still a good place to be with God's help .

Emeal Zwayne

And Ray , sometimes kids are caught in the crossfire . You have kids that are growing up with a dad who may know the Lord and a mother who doesn't .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , and it's going to scar them for life . That's where the mother needs to take them aside and explain what's going on and pray with them for their dad .

Emeal Zwayne

And also the believing parent can still have spiritual impact in the lives of the children Because they're seeing the negative from the unbelieving spouse . But they can still use their kids as a mission field as well and get the gospel to them .

Emeal Zwayne

Amen , yeah . So all right , friends . Well , there you have it . We know that some of you right now are no question broken over this , maybe even in tears as you listen . We just want you to know that we care about you . When we end this podcast , now , we're going to all bow and we're going to pray for you that the Lord would encourage you , that he would strengthen you , get other believers around you , get counsel from your spiritual leadership , get accountability , like we've already mentioned , and don't lose hope . Trust the Lord , shine the light of Christ , cast your cares upon him , recognize that this trial is not outside of the realm of God working in your life in a powerful way , and so commit it to him and let him transform you . No silly ending today . Thanks for joining us . We'll see you here next time on the Living Waters podcast .