

      <h2 id="aliens-god-and-wienerschnitzel"><a class="no-underline" href="#aliens-god-and-wienerschnitzel">Aliens, God, and Wienerschnitzel</a></h2>


        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>1:04</time>
      <p>
          You   know ,   there&#39;s   a   lot   of   things   that   are   kind   of   happening   out   there   that   are   unexplainable ,   you   know ,   is   our   government   behind ?   Is   our   government   behind   that   atrocious   act   or   that   thing   that   happened   within   our   history ?   I   don&#39;t   know .   But   the   beautiful   thing   that   we   do   have   is   we   know   that   God   is   ultimately   in   control   of   all   things .   We   have   to   remember   that   we   are   aliens ,   right ,   we   are   foreigners   in   a   foreign   land   that   are   just   kind   of   passing   through ,   homesick   for   a   home   we&#39;ve   never   been   to .   We   don&#39;t   fit   in ,   we   do   not   belong   here .   Oscar ,   there   was   some   time   ago   where   you   quoted   CS   Lewis   concerning   about   if   we   don&#39;t   fit   in ,   the   only   natural   explanation   is   that   we   were   built   for   another   place .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>1:43</time>
      <p>
          Made   for   another   home .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>1:44</time>
      <p>
          yeah ,   yeah ,   and   that&#39;s   the   case ,   right .   There&#39;s   nothing   a   Christian   can   do   to   fill   at   home   here   on   earth .   Yeah ,   and   so   it   is .   If   we   have   that   mindset   that   we   are   just   passing   through ,   then   we   will   utilize   the   resources   that   God   has   given   us   for   the   purpose   for   which   he&#39;s   given   them   to   us ,   which   is   to   bring   him   glory ,   and   it&#39;ll   be   ultimately   for   our   good .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:12</time>
      <p>
          Friends .   I   don&#39;t   know   if   it&#39;s   typically   possible ,   but   it   was   made   possible   today   here   on   the   Living   Waters   podcast .   It&#39;s   one   thing   to   not   have   respect   for   someone   which   was   a   previous   case   for   me   to   mark   but   to   have   negative   respect ,   you   know ,   like   in   temperature   you   have   like   zero   degrees .   And   then   you   have   people   zero ,   negative   zero .   Come   on ,   I   wish ,   mark ,   people   could   have   seen   your   demonstration   with   your   arms   flailing   and   how   you   showed   us   what   you   do   with   your   disgusting   Wienerschnitzel   chili   cheese .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>2:53</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   actually   on   Mark&#39;s   side   on   this   one .   Yeah ,   see   Oscar&#39;s   on   my   side ,   but   Oscar&#39;s   just   like   being   healthy   With   that   shirt .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:59</time>
      <p>
          Oscar   has   no   jurisdiction   to   say   anything .   Here&#39;s   the   thing .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:03</time>
      <p>
          I   can   take   this   shirt   off .   You&#39;re   stuck   with   that   face ,   oh   boy ,   I   love   Wienerschnitzel .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>3:11</time>
      <p>
          In   fact ,   the   other   day   I   was   on   my   way   to   dinner   and   I   stopped   by   Wienerschnitzel .   Just   driving   by ,   I   was   talking   to   my   dad   on   the   phone   and   I   go   man ,   there&#39;s   room   for   two   chili   cheese   dogs .   It&#39;s   just   room .   There&#39;s   always   room ,   and   so   you   stop   by   and   the   idea   is   to   get   two   chili   cheese   dogs   and   a   cup   of   chili ,   and   then   you   take   that   chili   cheese   dog ,   which   is   already   covered   with   chili ,   and   you   dip   it   in   the   chili .   Now ,   I   don&#39;t   like   chili .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:31</time>
      <p>
          We   call   that   the   chili   dipper .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>3:32</time>
      <p>
          The   chili   dipper .   I   like   that .   I   just   made   that   up .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:37</time>
      <p>
          I   wish   people   could   see   the   glow   on   your   face   as   you   talk   about   Wienerschnitzel .   Just   even   what   you   said   to   Oscar ,   I   like   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:44</time>
      <p>
          But   I   admire   that   about   Mark .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>3:46</time>
      <p>
          He&#39;s   got   passion   for   what   he&#39;s   talking   about .   Not   only   me ,   but   you   realize ,   levi   likes   Wienerschnitzel .   We   have   a   special   guest   today .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   he   counted   us   down   to   kick   off   the   show .   Levi ,   I   used   to   respect   him   too .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:00</time>
      <p>
          I   have   a   Wienerschnitzel   gift   card   for   him   inside   my   car .   Oscar ,   don&#39;t   let   that   happen ,   nice .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:04</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   know   where   we&#39;re   going   for   lunch .   Oh   man .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:07</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   seriously   absolutely   dumbfounded   right   now ,   and   we   talked   about   the   bits   of   bone   Occasionally .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:14</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   occasionally .   You   just   got   to   spit   it   out .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:17</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   I   had   once   in   a   while   in   my   food .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:19</time>
      <p>
          Come   on ,   I   mean   we&#39;ve   all   eaten .   On   the   mission   field   you   just   have   to   spit   out   certain   things   that   just   don&#39;t   Ray   the .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:25</time>
      <p>
          Jew   Bits   of   bone ,   by   the   way .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:27</time>
      <p>
          Real   quick   Chicken   wings ,   literally   80%   of   it   is   a   bit   of   bone .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:32</time>
      <p>
          Wow .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:32</time>
      <p>
          Wow ,   you   need   help .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:33</time>
      <p>
          This   is   so   true .   Wait ,   don&#39;t   just   gloss   by   that .   That   is   so   true .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:37</time>
      <p>
          If   you   notice ,   Mark&#39;s   been   yelling   in   this   podcast .   We&#39;re   talking   about   him .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:40</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   so   excited   for   Wintersnitzel .   Look   at   his   fashion .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:43</time>
      <p>
          Seriously ,   this   borders   on   the   demented ,   not   even   borders   with   him ,   boy   Oscar&#39;s   side   by   side .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:49</time>
      <p>
          I   really   like   Oscar .   Now ,   oh   boy ,   I   really   like   him .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:52</time>
      <p>
          Man .   I   never   believed   in   psychiatry ,   but   I&#39;m   starting   to   think   that   through   again .   Yeah ,   but   that&#39;s   the   same   reason   why   I   detest   eating   at   Keynes ,   because   you   get   a   little   vein   in   those   chicken   things .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>5:08</time>
      <p>
          I   actually   never   had   Keynes .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:08</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   it&#39;s   probably   good .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>5:10</time>
      <p>
          Oscar ,   where   do   you   think   I&#39;m   going   for   dinner   tonight   Of   all   the   restaurants   that   I   could   choose ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:14</time>
      <p>
          to   go   BJ&#39;s   pizza .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>5:15</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   going   to   BJ&#39;s   tonight .   What   for   that ?   Dinner ?   For   dinner ,   yeah ,   with   Pastor   Phillip ,   oh   boy   and   Dan   yeah ,   let&#39;s   go   to   BJ&#39;s   Ray   the   kosher   Jew .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:25</time>
      <p>
          What   are ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:25</time>
      <p>
          you   talking   about .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:27</time>
      <p>
          Would   you   eat   a   disgusting   hot   dog ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:30</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   I   just   think   I   wish   Matt   would   buy   me   one .   He&#39;s   never   bought   one   of   the   ministry .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:34</time>
      <p>
          You   would   eat   a   chili   cheese   dog ?   Would   you   try   chili   cheese ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:35</time>
      <p>
          dog .   Of   course   I   had   chili   in   a   fire   station   in   New   York ,   New   Jersey .   Me   and   Kirk   were   doing   a   program .   I   told   you   we   were   there ,   but   the   firefighters   made   us   chili   and   I   loved   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>5:45</time>
      <p>
          Hey ,   we   should   do   it   Next   time   we   do   lunch   here   instead   of   El   Proloquo   we   should   do   chili   cheese   dog .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:50</time>
      <p>
          Oh   my   God   man   Kelly   Oscar   she   would   not   believe   us .   She   knows   about   my   wicked   ways ,   no ,   but   look .   Okay ,   guys ,   let&#39;s   get   real   here .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>6:00</time>
      <p>
          I   have   to   sneak   my   chili   cheese   dogs ,   though   None   of   my   family   allows   me   to   eat .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:04</time>
      <p>
          Okay ,   but   let&#39;s   get   real   here .   It&#39;s   one   thing   to   have   like   a   real   deal   all   beef   Chicago   style   in   Chicago   Sure .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>6:15</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   the   Russ ,   chris   we&#39;re   not .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:16</time>
      <p>
          Nobody&#39;s   going   to   afford   that .   Okay ,   whatever .   I&#39;m   like   saying   yeah ,   you   know   I   can&#39;t   get   purified ,   clean   drinking   water ,   so   I&#39;m   going   to   go   for   sewage   water .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:27</time>
      <p>
          You   see ,   this   is   a   dead   dog .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:29</time>
      <p>
          A   dead   dog .   I&#39;m   so   mad   and   you&#39;re   on   board   with   them   too   now .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:33</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   I   know ,   I   just   didn&#39;t   have   a   tribe   one .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:35</time>
      <p>
          I   like   to   buy   one ,   listen   for   the   record ,   I   absolutely   love   chili   cheese   dogs   like   real   ones ,   not   this   filth   imitation ,   fake .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>6:44</time>
      <p>
          whatever   man   we   finished   this   episode   already ,   so   I&#39;m   done .   So   you&#39;ll   get   a   chili   cheese   dog .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:47</time>
      <p>
          Okay ,   all   right ,   friends ,   ray ,   you&#39;re   in   on   all   this .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:52</time>
      <p>
          Not   yet .   Mark&#39;s   going   to   buy   me   one .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>6:56</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   going   to   bring   all   of   you   there   for   that ,   by   the   way .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:58</time>
      <p>
          Wow ,   I   hope   you   stain   up   your   whole   shirt   with   chili .   Seriously ,   is   that   a   shirt ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>7:04</time>
      <p>
          Does   it   come   in   men&#39;s ?   No ,   do   they   make   them   for   men ?   It&#39;s   not   a   patch   on   the   shirts   that   I   have .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:13</time>
      <p>
          That   is   something   else ,   oscar .   All   right   friends ,   here&#39;s   a   comment .   This   is   from   Katniss ,   madness   4 ,   and   she   headlined   it   with   yes ,   YA ,   ssssssss .   I   think   this   podcast   has   about   the   perfect   mix   of   edification   and   entertainment .   You   guys   are   so   good   at   delivering   truth   in   a   fun   and   engaging   way ,   and   you&#39;re   also   greatly   passionate   about   hot   dogs .   No ,   about   the   gospel   and   about   the   Lord .   Thank   you   for   serving   us   so   greatly   with   your   wisdom ,   jokes ,   stories ,   quotes   and   more .   I   don&#39;t   know   if   we   served   anybody   with   what   we   talked   about   today .   Probably   disgusted   most   sane   people .   Do   you   know   what&#39;s   a ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>8:00</time>
      <p>
          part   of   the   experience   too ,   for   me ,   mark ,   is   the   fact   that   it   comes   paper   wrapped ,   cause   it ,   like   warms   the   bun .   You   know   what   I   mean .   The   fact   that   it&#39;s   served   paper   wrapped ,   in   fact   like ,   affects   the   way   in   which   you   enjoy   the   chili   dog .   Mark   has   that   I&#39;m   in   love .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>8:15</time>
      <p>
          Look   on   his   face .   Are   we   gonna   move   on ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>8:17</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   trying   to ,   but   these   guys ,   just   you   brought   it   back   up   with   a   comment .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>8:21</time>
      <p>
          They&#39;re   infatuated .   In   fact ,   I&#39;ll   order   sometimes   order   four   chili   cheese   dogs ,   knowing   that   the   other   ones   are   gonna   heat   up   the   other   ones   as   it   sits   there   for   about   five   minutes .   Oh   man ,   in   fact   my   brother   will   order   five   chili   cheese   dogs .   He&#39;ll   eat   three   of   them   and   then   the   last   two .   He&#39;ll   take   out   the   hot   dog   part   of   it ,   cause   he   feels   sick   like   you&#39;ll   have   to   throw   up .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>8:41</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   Friends ,   I   hope   you   all   enjoyed   Mark&#39;s   last   appearance   on   the   Living   Waters   podcast .   This   podcast   is   brought   to   you   by ,   you   would   think ,   weiner   Schnitzel ,   but   no ,   the   school   of   biblical   evangelism ,   both   online   and   in   textbook   form ,   the   book   that   made   Mark   Spence   an   author   One   with   very   bad   taste   in   food .   Make   sure   to   check   it   out ,   friends ,   and   don&#39;t   forget   the   Living   Waters   mug ,   the   evidence   study ,   bible ,   all   at   LivingWaterscom .   Thank   you ,   oscar ,   you&#39;re   my   permanent   helper   with   that .   All   right ,   friends ,   what   are   you   guys   doing ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>9:22</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;re   looking   at   chili   cheese   dogs   on   the   internet .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:23</time>
      <p>
          What ?   Sorry ,   I   just   thought ,   what   are   they ?   Great   comfort .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:26</time>
      <p>
          Your   sin   has   found   you   out .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:28</time>
      <p>
          I   just   thought   what   do   they   look   like ?   I   was   just   curious .   Have   you   never   had ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:31</time>
      <p>
          one   no .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>9:32</time>
      <p>
          Wait ,   what   I   don&#39;t   know .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:35</time>
      <p>
          Guys ,   I   can&#39;t   wait   for   this   program   to   be   over ,   because   I&#39;ve   seen   on   NBC   there   was   a   lady   that   was   attacked   by   a   hawk   and   she   yelled   out   help   me ,   jesus ,   what ?   And   NBC   are ?   And   a   snake .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:47</time>
      <p>
          And   a   snake .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>9:48</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   a   snake   in   a   hawk   attacked   her .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:51</time>
      <p>
          No ,   a   snake   in   a   hawk .   At   the   same   time   they   did ,   and   she   said   help   me ,   jesus .   And   NBC   is   reporting   it .   So   I&#39;ve   gone   to   the   videos .   I&#39;m   going   to   try   and   put   something   up   for   our   site .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:59</time>
      <p>
          Get   it   out ,   mark .   He&#39;s   shown   me   cheese   dogs .   Cheese   dogs ,   All   right ,   enough   of   the   stupidity ,   more   stupidity   Today   we&#39;re   talking   about
      </p>

      <h2 id="alien-movies-and-moon-landing-beliefs"><a class="no-underline" href="#alien-movies-and-moon-landing-beliefs">Alien Movies and Moon Landing Beliefs</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:07</time>
      <p>
          .   Could   there   be   life   Another   planet ?   Why   aren&#39;t   you   laughing ,   oscar ?   Yeah ,   yeah ,   this   is   the   question   of   the   century .   You   guys   have   any   favorite   alien   movies ?   Yes ,   seriously ,   is   there   a   shortage   of   alien   movies ?   Right ?   The ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:24</time>
      <p>
          blob .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>10:26</time>
      <p>
          Is   it   an   alien ?   I   don&#39;t   remember   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:28</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   don&#39;t   know   if   it&#39;s   the   other   one   is   the   thing   from   outer   space .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>10:32</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   seriously .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:33</time>
      <p>
          Their   classic   movies   are   so   dumb ,   they&#39;re   fun .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:36</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   the   thing   Is   that   the   clown ,   no ,   that&#39;s   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   that&#39;s   an   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:42</time>
      <p>
          Then   there&#39;s   the   man   that   became   a   fly ,   or   for   something   Like   a   fly   A   fly   A   fly   that&#39;s   not   from   outer   space ,   but   I   like .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:48</time>
      <p>
          I   just   watch   them   for   fun   because   they&#39;re   wholesome   and   stupid .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:51</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   they&#39;re   dumb   man ,   but   seriously ,   you&#39;ve   got   to .   There&#39;s   always   an   alien   movie   in   the   theater ,   it   would   seem .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>10:58</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   well ,   there&#39;s   a   lot   of   really   bad   ones .   Like   any   other   genre ,   there&#39;s   terrible   science   fiction ,   but   there&#39;s   also   really   good   science   fiction ,   both   books   and   movies .   And   actually ,   for   the   non-readers   out   there ,   one   of   the   best   the   illiterate   people ,   one   of   the   best   science   fiction   movies   that   have   come   out   in   a   really   long   time   is   Arrival .   Have   you   ever   seen   Arrival ?   No   Oscar ,   oh   man .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:19</time>
      <p>
          Is   it   clean ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>11:20</time>
      <p>
          Then   in   a   way ,   you   can   watch   it   on   clean   format   and   also   it   doesn&#39;t   seem   like   anything   was   taken   out   of   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:26</time>
      <p>
          We   should   always   qualify   it   when   we   talk   about   movies ,   because   it   is .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>11:31</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   not   going   to   give   anything   away ,   but   you   should   see   it .   Here&#39;s   the   one   push .   It   is   the   most   pro-life   blockbuster   movie   I&#39;ve   ever   seen ,   really ,   and   they   don&#39;t   even   realize   that   it&#39;s   pro-life .   Oh ,   alien   movie ,   it&#39;s   called   Arrival .   Wow ,   it   is   so   good ,   that&#39;s   my   pitch   for   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:51</time>
      <p>
          Merci   beaucoup ,   boy .   They&#39;ve   been   doing   these   things   for   a   long   time .   You   guys   remember   when   I   was   a   kid ,   there   was   a   TV   series   called   V ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>11:59</time>
      <p>
          V   for   Victory .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:00</time>
      <p>
          What ?   Yeah ,   you   remember   that ?   I   sure   do   Remember   that ,   lady   Diana .   She   would   eat   rats .   She&#39;d   open   her   mouth   and   eat   rats   Like   they   looked   like   people   on   the   outside   but   they   took   on   human   form ,   but   they   were   aliens   underneath   and   they   would   eat .   Remember   Mark   V&#39;s   for   Victory   that   was   Rats   or   Chili   Dogs .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>12:15</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   not   a   fan   of   sci-fi .   I&#39;m   not   a   fan   of   really   any   of   that   genre   whatsoever .   I   don&#39;t   get   it   at   all .   Never   Star   Wars   fan   Never .   I&#39;ve   never   seen   Star   Wars ,   what .   I&#39;m   not   a   fan   of   any   of   that   stuff .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>12:29</time>
      <p>
          I   walked   out   of   it ,   Did   you ?   Yeah ,   well ,   I   tell   my   little   kids   to   see   it   they&#39;re   only   like   five   or   six   because   I   heard   it   was   so   good   and   the   first   scene   was   bodies   burning   and   I   thought   this   isn&#39;t   good .   Oh ,   I   might   see   it   then .   Chili   Dogs .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:44</time>
      <p>
          Are   there   dead   Chili   Dogs   in   it ?   Yeah ,   you   know ,   it   really   is   a   massive   infatuation   in   the   world .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>12:53</time>
      <p>
          It   used   to   be   for   me ,   until   we   landed   on   the   moon   and   there   was   just   dirt   they   came   back   with   dirt .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:58</time>
      <p>
          Did   you   believe   the   Mormon   prophecy   that   there   are   men   on   the   moon ?   Men   on   the   what   On   the   moon ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:04</time>
      <p>
          No ,   but   I   remember   listening   to   it   live .   I   was   on   my   motorbike   and   I   stopped   as   they   were   landing   on   the   moon .   I   was ,   I   think   I   was   16 .   And   it   was   fascinating .   And   then   you   think   what&#39;s   gonna   come   from   this ?   And   nothing   came   from   it .   They   just   brought   back   some   dirt .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:16</time>
      <p>
          You   know   it   was   fake   the   whole   moon .   Yeah ,   that&#39;s   right .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>13:20</time>
      <p>
          And   then   I   liked   the   Christian   astronomer   Not ,   I   mean   not   astronomer ,   the   guy   who   walked   on   the   moon   not   walked   on   the   moon ,   he   spent   more   time   in   outer   space ,   Jeff   Williams   and   he   opened   up   his   sermon   at   the   Ark   with   two   things .   He   said   first   of   all ,   yes ,   we   did   land   on   the   moon ,   and   second ,   no ,   the   earth   is   not   flat .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   that&#39;s   how   he   opened   up   his   sermon .   It&#39;s   so   good   to   hear   that ,   especially   from   a   reputable ,   sane   man   of   God   who   lived   in   the   space   station ,   and   we&#39;re   actually .   We   have   a   conference   coming   up   where   he&#39;ll   be   speaking   with   us   as   well   we   do .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>13:51</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it&#39;s   a   conference   for   pastors   at   the   Ark .   At   the   Ark ,   yeah   and   October .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:55</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   this   may   have   aired   by   then ,   who   knows .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:57</time>
      <p>
          Brian   Regan   walked   on   the   moon   also .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:00</time>
      <p>
          Seriously   one   of   the   best   bits   ever .   You   guys   have   to   admit   you&#39;ve   heard   of   that   bit ,   oscar .   What   you   haven&#39;t   heard   of   Brian   Regan   yeah ,   he&#39;s   okay ,   I&#39;ll   summarize   it .   So   he&#39;s   talking   about ?   He&#39;s   talking   about   going   to   dinner   parties .   You   know   how   people   just   talk   themselves   up .   Yeah ,   I&#39;m   an   owner   of   a   500   fortune   company .   I   did   this .   I   went   to   the   stock .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>14:22</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   money ,   I&#39;m   banks ,   I&#39;m   the   CDs .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>14:26</time>
      <p>
          And   he   goes   in   there .   Then   there&#39;s   this   guy   just   in   the   corner   hanging   out   waiting   for   people   to   finish   speaking .   Yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:32</time>
      <p>
          And   he&#39;s   just   and   Brian   Regan ,   he   shows   he&#39;s   like   taking   his   shrimp   and   he&#39;s   dipping   it   in   the   cocktail   and   he   just   goes .   I   walked   on   the   moon   Because   you   can&#39;t   trump   that  
      </p>

      <h2 id="ufo-sightings-and-possibility-of-extraterrestrial"><a class="no-underline" href="#ufo-sightings-and-possibility-of-extraterrestrial">UFO Sightings and Possibility of Extraterrestrial</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:44</time>
      <p>
          right .   It   doesn&#39;t   get   any   bigger   than   walking   on   the   moon .   Well ,   he&#39;s   like   when   I   was   in   my   moon   rover   at   the   Sea   of   Tranquility .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>14:53</time>
      <p>
          I   can&#39;t   believe   I   heard   of   Brian   Regan .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:55</time>
      <p>
          He   had   to   be   there .   Oscar ,   wow ,   he&#39;s   so   funny .   Oh ,   it&#39;s   so   funny ,   but   seriously   like   how   insightful   that   is   right .   I   mean   it   was   gonna   trump   this   guy .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:03</time>
      <p>
          And   he   talked   about   having   wisdom   teeth   pulled .   Oh   yeah ,   and   as   you   say ,   I   had   two   wisdom   teeth   pulled .   In   comes   some   guy   Peritroup   where   it   says   he   had   six   pulled .   They   parachuted .   Someone&#39;s   always   gonna   up   story ,   you .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>15:15</time>
      <p>
          You   were   impacted .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:18</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   oh   boy   we   always   yeah ,   Anyway .   But ,   guys ,   this   is   becoming   obviously .   There&#39;ve   been   alien   movies   forever   and   TV   shows   I   mean   back   probably   in   the   40s ,   50s ,   right ,   it&#39;s   been   going   on   for   a   long   time .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:31</time>
      <p>
          Oh   yes ,   when   I   was   a   little   kid ,   like   seven   or   eight ,   I   used   to   read   books   on   outer   space   and   I   was   very   fascinated   by   it ,   but   it&#39;s   increasing   now .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>15:39</time>
      <p>
          I   think   it   was   at   Orson   Welles   with   his   radio   program .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:41</time>
      <p>
          Remember   that   famous .   I   don&#39;t   remember   it   as   well   before   my   day ,   but   there&#39;s   fans .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>15:45</time>
      <p>
          War   of   the .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:45</time>
      <p>
          Worlds .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:46</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   do   you   guys   know   the   story   of   that ?   No ,   I   don&#39;t   even   know   what   it   is .   Wait ,   seriously ,   you   don&#39;t .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:51</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   War   of   the   Worlds .   It&#39;s   part   of   history .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>15:52</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   okay ,   so   it&#39;s   a   book ,   no   Orson   Welles   the   actor .   The   voice   actor   yeah ,   he   developed   the   story   called   War   of   the   Worlds ,   and   the   way   they   decided   to   produce   it   is   they   put   it   on   the   radio .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>16:05</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   yes ,   of   course ,   I&#39;ve   heard   of   this .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>16:08</time>
      <p>
          So ,   for   those   who   haven&#39;t   heard   of   it ,   they   put   it   on   the   radio .   It&#39;s   this   incredible   story   that&#39;s   like   a   phenomenon   that   ended   up   happening .   But   what   they   did   from   a   marketing   perspective   and   I   actually   read   this   in   a   marketing   book   is   they   didn&#39;t   advertise   it ,   they   didn&#39;t   market   it ,   they   just   simply   went   live   with   it   and   they   presented   it   as   a   news   report ,   as   though   aliens   were   taking   over   the   world .   It   was   called   War   of   the   Worlds .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>16:32</time>
      <p>
          I   think   you&#39;ve   even   mentioned   it   on   the   podcast .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>16:34</time>
      <p>
          There&#39;s   no   commercial   breaks ,   the   original   airing ,   and   what   ended   up   happening   is   some   people   went   into   a   fever   because   they   thought   it   was   really   happening .   Wow ,   and   it   is ,   and   it   won .   I   mean ,   the   delivery   of   the   story   is   incredible .   It&#39;s   also   just   like   a   great ,   immersive   experience .   You   can   listen   to   the   original   recording .   It&#39;s   out   there ,   you   can   find   it   on   the   internet   and ,   of   course ,   there&#39;s   a   Tom   Hanks   movie   that   was   written   about   it   too ,   called   War   of   the   Worlds .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>16:59</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   yeah .   Well ,   here&#39;s   what&#39;s   going   on   now ,   guys ,   and   this   is   why   I   think   it&#39;s   important   for   us   to   address   it ,   because   things   have   reached   a   new   level .   Right   For   ages ,   people   say   and   aliens   are   there ?   Aliens   are   there   not   aliens ,   whatever ?   And   the   government   obviously   always   denied   anything ,   always   stayed   silent   on   things .   Well ,   as   you   guys   know ,   recently   there   was   a   hearing   before   Congress ,   and   here   are   the   three   guys   that   testified .   You   had   former   Navy   pilot   Ryan   Graves ,   retired   US   Navy   commander   David   Fraver   and   former   intelligence   officer   David   Grusk .   They   all   testified   before   Congress   about   what   seemed   to   be   objects   that   are   very ,   very   foreign .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>17:49</time>
      <p>
          UFOs .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>17:50</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   but   they   defined   it   as   actual .   They   didn&#39;t   define   it   as   aliens   or   even   intelligent   life .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>17:57</time>
      <p>
          They&#39;re   just   saying   this   is   something   that   is   far   beyond   anything   that   we   have   the   capacity   to .   We   don&#39;t   have   the   technology .   It&#39;s   just   way   too .   They   talk   about   this   thing .   They   call   it   like   a   tic-tac ,   that&#39;s   what   they   refer   to   it .   That&#39;s   what   the   vessel   looked   like   and   they   talk   about   it   just   hovered   perfectly   and   then   all   of   a   sudden ,   at   like   supersonic   speed ,   was   just   gone ,   like   so   Didn&#39;t   they   have   a   blurry   camera   to   get   a   picture   of   it ?   That&#39;s   right ,   they   had   footage   and   stuff   Was   it   clear .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>18:27</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   know   yeah ,   I   bet   it   was   a   real .   It   was   a   real ,   why   is ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>18:30</time>
      <p>
          it ,   you&#39;re   right .   Why   is   it   also ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>18:32</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   always   blurry .   It   was   a   real   tic-tac .   It   was   someone   flicked   up   in   the   air .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>18:36</time>
      <p>
          But   here&#39;s   the   thing   Go   ahead ,   you   go .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>18:40</time>
      <p>
          Okay ,   well ,   I   was   gonna   just   say ,   like ,   what&#39;s   really   getting   people   stirred   up   is   that   these   are   like ,   these   are   legitimate   people ,   they   have   credibility ,   they&#39;re   not   some   dude   sitting   in   a   mom&#39;s   basement .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>18:50</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   they&#39;re   head   credibility ,   head   credibility .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>18:52</time>
      <p>
          But   again ,   they   were   being   careful .   Yeah ,   that&#39;s   key .   They   were   being   careful .   They   weren&#39;t   saying   they&#39;re   saying   we&#39;re   just   telling   you   we   have   seen   things   that   defy   any   comprehension   that   we   do   not   have   the   technology   to   do   this .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>19:04</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   impossible .   You   go   though   with   that ,   we   jump   to   a   place   of   oh ,   it&#39;s   an   alien .   Aliens   exist .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>19:09</time>
      <p>
          Right ,   right ,   well   and   again ,   a   part   of   the   problem   is   that   we   understand   UFO ,   which   is   defined   as   unidentified   flying   object ,   but   we   immediately   think   intelligent ,   extraterrestrial ,   intelligent   life .   But   the   definition   that   they   use   and   it&#39;s   so   funny   if   you   read   the   news   headlines   it&#39;s   like   you   know ,   military   generals   and   government   officials   tell   us   that   there&#39;s   aliens .   But   if   you   actually   which   I   did   this ,   I   actually   went   and   watched   the   interviews   by   them   they   use   unidentified   aerial   phenomena   and   they&#39;re   very   intentional   about   using   it   because ,   to   your   point ,   ray ,   in   the   past   they&#39;ve   been   able   to   identify   that   the   phenomena   wasn&#39;t   something   in   space ,   that   it   was   a   reflection   on   a   window ,   that   it   was   lightning ,   storms ,   that   it   was   other   things .   Now   they&#39;re   not   saying   all   of   them   are   that ,   but   the   reason   why   they   use   the   word   phenomenon ?   Because   they   simply   cannot   explain   what   is   being   seen ,   which   does   open   the   door   for   the   potential   of   some   sort   of   extraterrestrial   possibility .   But   in   those   interviews   they   don&#39;t   say   that   that&#39;s   what   it   is .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>20:19</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   key .   But   one   of   the   guys   said   that   when   he   interviewed   different   people   within   you   know ,   the   military   that   there   are   some   who   said   they   recovered   something   that   had ,   yeah ,   technology   that   was   non-human   and   also   organisms .   Yes ,   you   know ,   you   saw   that .   Yeah ,   so   these   are   the   things   that   are   making   people   go   huh .   What ,   ray ,   what   do   you   think   about   all   this ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>20:42</time>
      <p>
          I   mean ,   do   you   think   Well ,   one   thing   I   think   Hollywood   is   very   limited   in   its   imagination   when   it   comes   to   aliens   or   outer   space   people ,   because   the   movies   I&#39;ve   watched   they   always   have   heads ,   eyes ,   ears ,   arms   and   legs .   It&#39;s   just   the   green   that&#39;s .   And   so   I   think   about   the   whole   thought   of   there   being   life   and   outer   space   and   asking   myself   could   there   be   a   planet   that   has   what   Earth   has ?   Cause   it&#39;s   gonna   have   to   have   gravity ,   it&#39;s   gonna   have   to   have   air ,   it&#39;s   gonna   have   to   write .   If   it&#39;s   a   human   type ,   life   gonna   have   oxygen ,   the   right   mixture   within   the   air .   It&#39;s   gonna   have   soil   that   yields   food ,   it&#39;s   gonna   have   water .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:24</time>
      <p>
          You   go   down   the   list   of   things   that   have   gotta   happen   for   life   to   be   in   outer   space   and   you   think   the   only   way   it   could   happen   is   if   God   created   it   like   that .   I   like   to   think   there   are   scientists   and   there   are   silly   scientists ,   and   silly   scientists   have   got   crazy   theories   about   remember   the   Cinderella ,   or   not   Cinderella ?   The   three   beers ,   Goldilocks ,   Goldilocks   yeah ,   that&#39;s   what   they   say .   With   Goldilocks ,   the   porridge   was   too   cold   or   too   hot   and   just   right ,   and   they   said   that&#39;s   what   happened .   That&#39;s   why   we&#39;ve   got   life   on   Earth ,   because   everything   just   worked   out   right .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:59</time>
      <p>
          Just   randomly   yeah   random   and   so   it   would   have   to   happen .   The   same   thought   for   there   to   be   life   in   outer   space   and   I ,   without   God   having   a   hand   in   it ,   I   can&#39;t   see   it   happening ,   obviously .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>22:09</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   yeah ,   mark ,   what   do   you   think ?   What&#39;s   your   perspective ?   And   again ,   we   haven&#39;t   talked   about   this   before   the   podcasts   like   we   do   with   all   podcasts ,   we   don&#39;t   talk   beforehand ,   so   it&#39;s   good   to   hear   thoughts ,   perspectives   and   see   where   we   land .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>22:21</time>
      <p>
          You   know .   Nothing   in   the   Bible   indicates   that   aliens   are   real ,   but   neither   does   any   part   of   the   Bible   strictly   refute   the   existence   either .   If   somebody   has   some   sort   of   an   experience ,   and   I&#39;ll   leave   it   at   that   I   would   chalk   it   more   up   to   the   idea   of   maybe   something   demonic   as   opposed   to   there   being   actual   aliens ,   you   know ,   in   outer   space   there&#39;s   just   we&#39;re   left   with   way   too   many   questions   in   order   for   it   to   take   place .   So   I   know   that   we   all   know   that   the   spiritual   realm   is   very   real ,   and   because   it   is   very   real ,   people   have   had   many   different   types   of   experiences   that   are   just   attached   to   that .   And   when   you   don&#39;t   know   how   to   explain   the   spiritual   realm ,   well   then   you&#39;re   left   with   thinking   well ,   it   must   be   something   from   outer   space ,   because   the   naturalistic   mind   does   not   receive   the   spiritual   right ,   the   ability   that   we   live   in   a   materialistic   world ,   so   then   we   have   to   explain   everything   materialistically   Demonic .   I   leaned   to   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>23:26</time>
      <p>
          In   regards   to   any   sort   of   an   experience .   Yeah ,   somebody&#39;s   experienced   this .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>23:30</time>
      <p>
          somebody   might   have ,   but   extraterrestrial   life .   I   don&#39;t   believe   in   it ,   okay .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>23:35</time>
      <p>
          So ,   let   me   first   of   all ,   ray ,   that&#39;s   good ,   because   there&#39;s   different   definitions .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>23:38</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it&#39;s   important   that   we   distinguish   what   you&#39;re   saying .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>23:40</time>
      <p>
          And   that&#39;s   the   thing   you   know .   It&#39;s   interesting   because   you&#39;ll   sometimes   get   atheists   who   outright   deny   the   existence   of   God ,   and   then   they&#39;ll   make   room   for   this ,   though   right ,   something   they&#39;ve   never   personally   seen ,   or   that   they   you   know ,   on   the   basis   of   what   People&#39;s   testimony ?   What   about   the   testimony   of   those   that   saw   Jesus   rise   from   the   dead ?   You   know   so   anyway .   But ,   ray ,   you   made   a   really   good   point ,   and   actually   this   was   made   by ,   by   secular   people ,   by   those   that   believe   in   evolution .   It&#39;s   a   real   premise ,   I   think ,   for   the   whole   alien   thing .   But   listen   to   this .   In   fact ,   lane ,   our   wonderful   assistant   here ,   executive   assistant ,   she   she   brought   this   to   my   attention   this   morning .   It&#39;s   called   the   Fermi   Paradox   and   this   is   from   SETIorg   Says   is   there   some   evidence   suggesting   that   humans   are   the   galaxy&#39;s   only   intelligent   species ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>24:30</time>
      <p>
          And   Rico   Fermi   thought   so ,   and   he   was   a   pretty   smart   guy .   Could   he   be   right ?   In   1950 ,   the   famous   physicist   made   a   seemingly   innocuous   lunchtime   remark   that   has   caught   and   held   the   attention   of   every   SETI   researcher   since   the   utterance   came   when ,   while   Fermi   was   discussing   with   his   mill-time   mates   the   reasonable   possibility   that   many   sophisticated   societies   populate   the   galaxy .   But   somewhere   between   one   sentence   and   the   next ,   fermi&#39;s   supple   brain   realized   that   if   this   was   true ,   it   implied   something   profound .   If   there   are   really   a   lot   of   alien   societies ,   then   some   of   them   might   have   spread   out .   Fermi   grasps   that   any   civilization   with   a   modest   amount   of   rocket   technology   and   a   modest   amount   of   imperial   incentive   could   rapidly   colonize   the   entire   galaxy .   Within   a   few   tens   of   millions   of   years ,   every   star   system   could   be   brought   under   the   wing   of   empire .   Tens   of   millions   of   years   may   sound   like   a   long   project ,   but   in   fact   it&#39;s   quite   short   compared   to   the   age   of   the   galaxy ,   which   is   roughly   a   thousand   times   more .   Obviously ,   we   don&#39;t   agree   with   the   whole   age   thing .   But   so   what   Fermi   immediately   recognized   was   that   the   aliens   have   had   more   than   enough   time   to   pepper   the   galaxy   with   their   presence .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>25:36</time>
      <p>
          But   looking   around ,   we   don&#39;t   see   any   clear   indication   that   they&#39;re   out   and   about .   We   don&#39;t   see   any   obvious   evidence   of   a   galactic   empire   or   a   unified   United   Federation   of   Planets .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="the-possibility-of-extraterrestrial-life"><a class="no-underline" href="#the-possibility-of-extraterrestrial-life">The Possibility of Extraterrestrial Life</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>25:46</time>
      <p>
          This   prompted   Fermi   to   ask   what   was   to   him   an   obvious   question   when   is   everybody ?   And   the   galaxy   assumed   to   be   filled   with   clever   beings .   Why   don&#39;t   we   see   any ?   This   dissonance   is   known   as   a   Fermi   paradox .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>25:58</time>
      <p>
          A   lot   of   folks   have   given   this   a   lot   of   thought .   The   first   thing   they   know   is   that   the   Fermi   paradox   is   a   remarkably   strong   argument .   You   can   see   that   quibble   about   the   speed   of   alien   spacecraft .   Whether   it&#39;s   1%   the   speed   of   light   or   10%   the   speed   of   light ,   it   doesn&#39;t   matter .   You   can   argue   about   how   long   it   would   take   for   a   few   star   colony   to   spawn   colonies   of   its   own ,   it   still   doesn&#39;t   matter .   Any   halfway   reasonable   assumption   about   how   fast   colonization   could   take   place   still   end   up   with   the   time   scale   that   are   enormously   shorter   than   the   age   of   the   galaxy .   It&#39;s   like   discussing   whether   Spanish   ships   of   the   16th   century   could   have   a   long ,   a   long   at   two   knots   or   20 .   Either   way ,   they   could   speedily   colonize   the   Americas .   So   the   point   of   that   is   that ,   yeah ,   if   they   are   around ,   how   come   they   haven&#39;t   done   what   we   would   expect   to   be   done ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>26:42</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   I   guess   the   only   argument   against   that   you   already   made   it ,   which   refutes   his   argument ,   which   is   that   if   all   of   creation   is   only   10,000   years   old ,   then   it   hasn&#39;t   had   enough   time   for   those   galaxies   to   connect   with   each   other .   Because ,   if   you   think   about   here   on   earth ,   the   world   has   only   been   connected ,   as   in   Europe   and   the   Americas ,   for   the   last   600   years .   It&#39;s   crazy ,   right .   So   before   600   years   ago ,   if   you   were   born   in   Europe ,   you   had   no   idea   not   only   that   North   America   existed ,   but   there   was   a   potential   of   other   humans   on   a   piece   of   land   that   you   didn&#39;t   even   know   existed .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>27:19</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   that&#39;s   a   whole   point .   So ,   going   by   bi-secular   standards   they   don&#39;t   have   enough   time .   But   obviously   we   know   the   galaxy   and   the   universe   isn&#39;t   that   old   and   so ,   yeah ,   it&#39;s   just   ridiculous .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>27:32</time>
      <p>
          So   do   you   think   there&#39;s   life   on   other   planets ?   I ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>27:34</time>
      <p>
          don&#39;t ,   I   don&#39;t .   And   let   me   ask   this   question .   I   want   to   read   something   from   answers   in   Genesis .   But   why   are   they   always   made   intelligent ?   Why   can&#39;t   there   be   stupid ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>27:50</time>
      <p>
          aliens .   There   is   a   stupid   life   in   the   universe .   Forget   intelligent   life .   Why ,   I   think ?   The   thing   that   intrigues   me   is   they   throw   in   the   word   other .   Is   there   other   intelligent   life ?   As   if   we&#39;re   intelligent .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>28:04</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .   So   let   me   read   what   our   friends   from   answers   in   Genesis   said   in   an   article .   In   a   biblical   worldview ,   we   don&#39;t   expect   alien   life   to   exist .   The   Bible   tells   us   earth   was   formed   to   be   inhabited   and   the   other   celestial   bodies   were   created   for   signs ,   seasons   and   days   Genesis   1.14 .   That&#39;s   a   good   point   and   years .   It   was   to   earth   that   Jesus   came   to   save   us ,   not   to   another   planet   to   save   another   race   of   beings .   So   there&#39;s   more   we&#39;ll   get   into ,   but   yeah ,   what   do   you   think   of   that ,   oscar ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>28:34</time>
      <p>
          I   think   that&#39;s   a   very   nearer   view   of   the   interpretation   of   some   of   those   passages   that   they&#39;re   quoting ,   and   so   do   I   think   that   there&#39;s   extraterrestrial   life .   I   don&#39;t   know .   I   like   what   you   said ,   mark .   The   scriptures   don&#39;t   make   it   clear ,   it   doesn&#39;t   speak   on   the   subject .   Like ,   the   scriptures   don&#39;t   tell   us   that   there&#39;s   such   a   thing   as   macaroni   and   cheese ,   but   that   doesn&#39;t   mean   there&#39;s   no   such   thing   as   macaroni   and   cheese ,   because   the   scriptures   are   not   a   book   that   is   intended   to   tell   us   everything   there   is   to   know .   The   scriptures   were   written   by   God   to   tell   us   one   story ,   and   that   is   the   story   of   God   reconciling   the   world   to   himself ,   and   so   it   doesn&#39;t   include   everything ,   and   God   intended   for   it   to   not   include   everything .   Augustine   believed   this .   He   said   that   there   are   two   books .   There&#39;s   the   book   of   scriptures ,   which   gives   us   account   of   God   reconciling   the   world   to   himself ,   and   then   there&#39;s   the   book   of   creation ,   in   which   we   look   out   into   the   world   and   learn   about   our   God   by   understanding   His   creation .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>29:32</time>
      <p>
          Right ,   the   alien   Augustine   might   have   said   that .   But   Augustine ,   the   earthly   figure ,   said   something   different .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>29:36</time>
      <p>
          So   I&#39;m   just   curious ,   oscar ,   where   do   you   lean ,   though ?   Do   you   lean   that   there   are   aliens ,   or   do   you   lean   that   there&#39;s   not   aliens ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>29:41</time>
      <p>
          I   lean   on ,   I   don&#39;t   know .   Yeah ,   in   here   let   me   explain   why .   Because ,   one ,   the   scriptures   don&#39;t   make   it   clear   and   I   think ,   I   think   that   it   is   perfectly   reasonable   that   God   created .   Well ,   first   off ,   okay ,   we   have   to   think   about ,   like ,   the   magnitude   of   God&#39;s   creation ,   and   I&#39;ll   get   there   in   a   minute .   But   I   think ,   first   off ,   it&#39;s   perfectly   reasonable ,   according   to   the   scriptures   which   is   sort   of   what   Ray   was   alluding   to   and   you   were   alluding   to   by   quoting   a   IG   that   God   created   everything   for   his   glory   and   that   there   would   only   be   one   planet   in   which   life   existed .   But ,   more   specifically ,   imago   day ,   life   existed   and   Everything   else   is   simply   there   to   display   his   glory   in   his   magnitude ,   to   sing   of   his   riches   and   praise .   Because   I   think ,   in   many   way ,   well ,   okay ,   so   there ,   like ,   I   think   that   it&#39;s   perfectly   reasonable   to   think   that   way   and   I&#39;m   compelled   to   think   that   way .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>30:39</time>
      <p>
          On   the   other   hand ,   what   do   we   know   about   Creation ?   Very   little .   Like   we&#39;ve   only   discovered   four   percent   of   our   ocean ,   four   percent   of   our   ocean .   Every   single   year   we&#39;re   discovering   new   life   on   earth ,   plants   and   reptiles   and   in   fish .   Like   we   have   yet   to   fully   discover   Everything   there   is   to   know   about   our   very   planet .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>31:05</time>
      <p>
          Right ,   we   know   nothing .   Essentially ,   we   know   nothing   about   our   planet   that   we   live   on   right   now ,   and   there   are   other   planets   in   our   own   solar   system   and ,   as   it   pertains   to   solar   system ,   there   are   3,000   other   solar   systems   in   our   neighborhood   of   the   Milky   Way   galaxy .   In   a   Milky   Way   galaxy ,   there   are   10   billion   solar   systems   with   their   own   planets ,   and   the   Milky   Way   galaxy   is   one   of   200   billion   galaxies   with   their   own   billions   of   solar   systems   with   their   own   planets ,   and   so   I   think   it&#39;s   very   self-centered   to   say   we   are   the   only   planet   where   there   is   life .   Now ,   I   use   the   word   life ,   not   intelligent   life ,   because   life   can   be   grass ,   life   can   be   Bacteria ,   and   so   I   don&#39;t .   I   think   it&#39;s   also   perfectly   reasonable   that   God   would   create   bacteria   on   other   planets   To   sing   of   his   praise   to   sing ,   singing   bacteria   singing   bacteria .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>32:05</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   what   we   are ?   No ,   we&#39;re   not   no ,   but   to   sing   his   praise ,   to   magnify   his   glory ,   to   be   as   magnificent   as   he   truly   is ,   because ,   again ,   he&#39;s   created   parts   of   our   own   ocean   that   we   haven&#39;t   even   discovered   yet .   And   so   I   think   it&#39;s   perfectly   reasonable   for   God   to   create   life   on   other   planets   for   his   glory ,   and   I   think   it&#39;s   perfectly   reasonable   that   life ,   that   God   did   not   create   life   on   other   planets ,   because   he   simply   wanted   to   create   life   on   this   planet   for   his   glory .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>32:33</time>
      <p>
          So   if   we   have   a   truly   I   don&#39;t   know   so   if   we   have   a   myth ,   them   would   sound   a   war   and   kill   them   for   sure   likely   yeah ,   Mark   what   are   you   gonna   say   Okay ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>32:41</time>
      <p>
          so   would   you   say   then ,   oscar ,   that   if   there&#39;s   life   in   outer   space ,   that   this   life   would   just   be   more   along   the   lines   of   a   Different   sort   of   a   creature ,   that&#39;s   not   creating   the   image   of   God ,   so   they&#39;re   not   re   redemptive ,   right   they&#39;re ?   They&#39;re   not ,   maybe   they   can&#39;t   be   redeemed ,   right ?   So   if   there&#39;s   a   creature ,   maybe   there&#39;s   some   sort   of   a   creature ,   animal ,   that&#39;s   out   there ,   just   like   we   have   creatures   and   animals   here .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>33:05</time>
      <p>
          I   mean ,   like   the   blob ,   yeah ,   like   there&#39;s   nothing   to   say   that   they   can&#39;t   be   intelligent   right .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>33:10</time>
      <p>
          So   maybe   they   can   create ,   maybe   they   can   do   something   further   that   animals   do   here .   But   these   are   not   creatures   created   in   the   image   of   God   that   were   redeemed   at   the   cross .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>33:20</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   well ,   I   think   there&#39;s   two   questions .   The   question   one   because   I&#39;m   alluding   to   the   idea   of   bacteria   being   on   other   planets ,   and   no   bacteria   is   not   created   the   image   of   God .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>33:28</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   not   read .   It&#39;s   not   a   part   of   redemptive   history .   The   question ,   then ,   is   so   I   don&#39;t   have   any   reason   to   believe   there&#39;s   intelligent   life   on   other   planets .   But   if   you   found   out   tomorrow ,   if   we   somehow   made   contact   with   intelligent   life ,   would   that   somehow   rock   your   faith ,   right ?   No ,   not   at   all ,   not   at   all .   Why   not ?   Well ,   why   would   it   Exactly   so ?   Why   be   afraid   of   saying ,   yeah ,   there&#39;s   a   potential   for   intelligent   life .   Well ,   because   it   doesn&#39;t   rock   my   faith .   It   wouldn&#39;t   affect   the   way   I   view   redemptive   history .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>33:55</time>
      <p>
          Let   me   say   this   for   a   jump   cent ,   I   would   say   that   good ,   really   good   points .   I   think ,   though ,   sometimes   people   use   this   in   keeping   with ,   like   Theistic   evolution   and   they&#39;ll   say ,   well ,   if   you   found   it ,   if   they   found   out   evidence   for   evolution   of   today   with   that   rock   your   faith ,   or   whatever .   But   I   think   there&#39;s   a   time   where   we   have   to   say ,   well ,   but   this   doesn&#39;t   square   with   scripture ,   and   I   know ,   ultimately   that&#39;s   a   question   does   scripture   forbid   that   there   could   be   the   existence   of   aliens ?   I   have   more   to   read   from   answers ,   and   Genesis   that   builds   the   case ,   so   I&#39;ll   do   that ,   but   Ray .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>34:26</time>
      <p>
          I   think   I   believe   an   extra   trust   your   life .   Aren&#39;t   angels   aliens ,   hmm   in   a   sense .   Yeah ,   from   outer   space ,   and   then   they&#39;re   earth   and   speak   to   people   not   from   here .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>34:39</time>
      <p>
          So   the   article   goes   on .   It   says ,   however ,   the   notion   of   alien   life   does   not   square   well   with   scripture .   The   earth   is   unique .   God   designed   the   earth   for   life ,   isaiah   45 ,   18 .   The   other   planets   have   an   entirely   different   purpose   than   does   the   earth ,   and   thus   they   are   designed   differently .   In   Genesis   1   we   read   that   God   created   plants   on   the   earth   on   day   3 ,   birds   to   fly   in   the   atmosphere   and   marine   life   to   swim   in   the   ocean   on   day   5 ,   an   animal   to   inhabit   the   land   on   day   6 .   Human   beings   were   also   made   on   day   6   and   we&#39;re   given   dominion   over   the   animals .   But   where   does   the   Bible   discuss   the   creation   of   life   on   the   lights   and   the   expanses   of   the   heavens ?   There   is   no   such   description ,   because   the   lights   in   the   expanse   were   not   designed   to   accommodate   life .   God   gave   care   of   the   earth   to   man ,   but   the   heavens   are   the   lords .   From   biblical   perspective ,   extra-strestrials   life   does   not   seem   reasonable .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>35:26</time>
      <p>
          Isn&#39;t   every   planet   that   we   discover   hostile   to   life ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>35:30</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   so   far ,   so   far ,   yeah ,   yeah .   And   then   comes   in   that   what   you   posed   mark   the   redemption   question .   When   we   consider   how   the   salvation   plan   might   apply   to   any   Hypothetical   extraterrestrial   but   otherwise   human-like   beings ,   we   are   presented   with   a   problem .   If   there   were   Vulcans   or   Klingons   out   there ,   how   would   they   be   saved ?   They&#39;re   not   blood   relatives   of   Jesus ,   and   so   Christ   shed   blood   cannot   pay   for   their   sin .   One   might   at   first   suppose   that   Christ   also   visited   their   world ,   lived   there   and   died   there   as   well ,   but   this   is   anti-biblical .   Christ   died   once   for   all ,   and   then   the   scriptures   are   cited   Jesus   is   now   and   forever   both   God   and   man ,   but   he   is   not   alien .   Think   of   that ,   mark   I .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>36:15</time>
      <p>
          I   like   it .   No ,   I   think   that   is   that   by   Georgia .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>36:18</time>
      <p>
          Purdom ,   I&#39;m   not   sure   who   wrote   the   article .   Actually   it&#39;s   from   AIG ,   but   I   think   yeah ,   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>36:24</time>
      <p>
          No ,   I   mean   I   I   don&#39;t   typically   get   into   discussions   like   this .   I   mean   my   mind   doesn&#39;t   even   kind   of   even   wander   into   this   place ,   but   uh ,   yeah ,   you   know ,   whatever ,   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>36:37</time>
      <p>
          Listen   to   this ,   one   might .   One   might   suppose   that   alien   beings   have .   One   might   suppose   that   alien   beings   have   never   sinned ,   and   which   case   they   would   not   need   to   be   redeemed .   But   then   another   problem   emerges   they   suffer   the   effects   of   sin   despite   having   never   sinned .   Adam .   Sin   has   affected   all   of   creation ,   not   just   mankind .   Romans   8 ,   20 ,   22   that&#39;s   a   good   point   makes   it   clear   that   the   entirety   of   creation   suffers   under   the   bondage   of   corruption .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>37:01</time>
      <p>
          These   kinds   of   issues   highlight   the   problem   of   attempting   to   incorporate   an   anti-biblical   notion   into   the   Christian   worldview .   And   finally ,   extra-terrestrial   life   is   an   evolutionary   concept .   It   does   not   comport   with   the   biblical   teachings   of   the   uniqueness   of   the   earth   and   the   distinct   spiritual   position   of   human   beings   of   all   the   worlds   in   the   universe .   It   was   the   earth   that   God   Himself   visited ,   taking   on   the   additional   nature   of   a   human   being ,   dying   on   a   cross   and   rising   from   the   dead   in   order   to   redeem   all   who   would   trust   in   him .   The   local   worldview   sharply   contrasts   with   the   secular   worldview   when   it   comes   to   alien   life .   Ray ,   do   you ,   do   you   think ,   I   mean ,   do   you   sense   that   the   the   whole   notion   of   Aliens   extra-terrestrial   is   rooted   in   evolutionary   theory ,   that   life   must   have   evolved   elsewhere   too ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>37:43</time>
      <p>
          I   think   so   every   time   I   read   any .   I   did   a   little   bit   of   study   on   it   and   some   research   and   all   seem   to   tie   in   with   evolutionary   theory .   But   there&#39;s   a   I   think   there&#39;s   a   reason .   We   hear   of   people   having   contact   with   aliens .   If   you   can   Get   a   great   story ,   you   become   famous .   In   fiction .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="discussion-on-aliens-and-their-existence"><a class="no-underline" href="#discussion-on-aliens-and-their-existence">Discussion on Aliens and Their Existence</a></h2>


        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>38:01</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   there&#39;s   an   incentive   to   lie   about   stuff   like   this .   I   mean   a   good   incentive   for   the   world ,   and   so   I .   I   carry   a   Lot   of   skepticism   when   it   comes   to   any   alien .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>38:12</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   mean   I ,   I   think ,   mark ,   you   got   a   good   point   on   the   demonic   Realm   and   I   think   that&#39;s   easily   overlooked .   You   know   as   well ,   and   and   people   write   that   off ,   you   know .   I   mean ,   look ,   we   hear   about   within   Catholicism   all   these   apparitions ,   I   mean   these   miraculous   things   happening ,   and   look   I   know   I&#39;m   going   to   offend   a   lot   of   people   here ,   but   I   hope   you   know   I   say   it   very   respectfully ,   but   truthfully   I   think   anything   that   distracts   from   Christ ,   especially   within   the   religious   realm ,   could   very   well   be   demonic .   Amen ,   you   agree ,   guys ?   No ,   I   do .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>38:46</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   think   I   100%   agree   with   that ,   and   I   think   that   there&#39;s   a   lot   of   we&#39;re   kind   of   jumping   around   in   that   article ,   kind   of   like   leapfrogs   a   few   questions   that   I   would   have   in   regards   to   this   subject ,   which   is   like   one   what   do   we   mean   by   extraterrestrial   life ?   Are   we   talking   about   bacteria   or   intelligent ?   And   it   also   presupposes   that   if   there   is   intelligent   life ,   then   that   life   must   be   created   in   the   image   of   God ,   which   I   don&#39;t   think   that   we   should   presuppose   that   If   we   met   intelligent   life   from   other   planets   I&#39;m   not   saying   that   there   is ,   but   I&#39;m   just   saying   if   I ,   if   I   did ,   it   wouldn&#39;t   rock   my   faith   and   I   wouldn&#39;t   assume   that   they&#39;re   created   in   the   image   of   God ,   in   the   same   way   that   I   don&#39;t   assume   that   any   other   creature   is   created   in   the   image   of   God .   And   so   I   don&#39;t .   I   think   that   it   leapfrogs   a   few   areas   that   we   have   to   really   flesh   out   into   this .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>39:30</time>
      <p>
          But   then   there&#39;s   another   subject   entirely ,   which   you   guys   have   alluded   to ,   which   is   the   idea   that   people   have   some   sort   of   contact   with   aliens ,   that   they&#39;ve   been   abducted ,   they&#39;ve   witnessed   and   seen .   And   yeah ,   I   mean   I   fully   agree   with   you .   I   think   in   that   context ,   under   that   heading   nah ,   I   don&#39;t ,   I   don&#39;t ,   I   don&#39;t ,   I&#39;ve   never   heard   of   a   story ,   I&#39;ve   never   seen   evidence   that   would   compel   me   to   believe   that   aliens   have   an   interest   in   some   middle-aged   dude   sitting   in   his   home ,   that   they   want   to   observe   him ,   probe   him ,   take   him   up   to   their   space   station   and   have   a   conversation   with   them .   Like   that   makes   absolutely   zero   sense   to   me   and   I   think   it&#39;s   delusions   of   grandeur ,   I   think   it&#39;s   demonic ,   I   think   it&#39;s ,   you   know ,   mental   health   issues   potentially ,   I   don&#39;t   know .   But   I&#39;m   confident   to   say   that   those   accounts   are   not   accurate .   It   counts   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>40:18</time>
      <p>
          Mark ,   do   you   think   some   have   also   said   another   possibility   is   it&#39;s   government   conspiracy .   In   other   words ,   you   know ,   the   government   has   been   kind   of   preparing   us   for   some   sort   of   catastrophe .   Oh ,   the   aliens   are   coming .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>40:34</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   the   aliens   have   been   laying   in   right   across   the   board   of   the   news .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>40:38</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   sitting   right   here ,   right ,   yeah ,   right ,   but   you   know   what   I   mean .   Like   in   order   to   usurp   more   power ,   like   you   know ,   to   bring   out   of   what   many   have   said ,   you   know ,   order   out   of   chaos ,   and   now   we   need   to   band   together ,   but   we   need   controls   and   we   need   you   know   where   they   usurp   more   authority   over   people .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>40:53</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   think   that&#39;s   very   possible .   You   know   it&#39;s   all   a   conspiracy   until   it&#39;s   proven   true .   You   know   there&#39;s   a   lot   of   things   that   are   kind   of   happening   out   there   that   are   unexplainable .   You   know ,   is   our   government   behind ?   Is   our   government   behind   that   atrocious   act ,   or   that ?   I   think   that   happened   within   our   history ,   I   don&#39;t   know .   But   the   beautiful   thing   that   we   do   have   is   we   know   that   God   is   ultimately   in   control   of   all   things .   Yeah ,   we   have   to   remember   that   we   are   aliens .   Right ,   we   are   foreigners   in   a   foreign   land   that   are   just   kind   of   passing   through ,   homesick   for   a   home   we&#39;ve   never   been   to .   We   don&#39;t   fit   in ,   we   do   not   belong   here .   Yeah ,   oscar ,   there   was   some   time   ago   where   you   quoted   CS   Lewis   concerning   about   if   we   don&#39;t   fit   in ,   the   only   natural   explanation   is   that   we   were   built   for   another   place .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>41:36</time>
      <p>
          Made   for   another   home .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>41:37</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   that&#39;s   the   case ,   right .   There&#39;s   nothing   a   Christian   can   do   to   fill   at   home   here   on   earth .   Yeah ,   and   so   it   is .   If   we   have   that   mindset   that   we   are   just   passing   through ,   then   we   will   utilize   the   resources   that   God   has   given   us   for   the   purpose   for   which   he&#39;s   given   them   to   us ,   which   is   to   bring   Him   glory ,   and   it&#39;ll   be   ultimately   for   our   good .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>42:01</time>
      <p>
          So ,   are   there   aliens   in   outer   space ?   I   don&#39;t   know ,   but   there   are   aliens   on   earth   and   that&#39;s   the   Christian ,   and   let&#39;s   tell   everybody   about   Christ   as   quickly   as   we   possibly   can .   Amen .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>42:12</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   Ray ,   I   mean ,   ultimately   it&#39;s   this   kind   of   stuff   that   can   distract   Christians   from   preaching   the   gospel   True .   Don&#39;t   you   think   Like   they   get   so   caught   up   in   it ,   they&#39;re   watching   every   news   item ,   they&#39;re   researching   and   it&#39;s   like ,   okay ,   well ,   whatever .   Again ,   I   don&#39;t   believe   there   are   aliens .   I   believe   you   know   I&#39;ve   fallen   in   line   with   the   article ,   but   okay ,   what   if   there   was ?   What&#39;s   that   change   anything   about   what   God   has   said   about   our   plan   and   the   need   for   redemption ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>42:41</time>
      <p>
          I   asked   a   guy   the   other   day   who   had   all   these   theories   and   he   didn&#39;t   believe   the   Bible   and   he   twisted   some   Bible   verses .   He   had   an   incredible   imagination .   So   I   just   said   to   him   if   you   be   watching   the   History   Channel   and   the   Discovery   Channel ?   He   says   yeah ,   I   do   it   all   the   time .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>42:54</time>
      <p>
          And   that&#39;s   where   he&#39;s   getting   it   from .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>42:55</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   just   the   imaginations   of   men   tapping   into   an   area   that   they   know   that&#39;s   going   to   get   believed   by   the   simple .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>43:03</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   wow ,   it&#39;s   so   good ,   and   so   we   have   to   stay   focused .   Friends ,   eternity   is   coming ,   souls   are   lost .   We   are   ambassadors   for   Christ .   Right ,   we&#39;re   not   of   this   world ,   we   are   aliens   as   Christians ,   and   that   we&#39;ve   been   born   again   and   will   belong   to   another   kingdom .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>43:19</time>
      <p>
          The   Bible   uses   that   word   too ,   doesn&#39;t   it ?   Yeah ,   the   word   aliens .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>43:21</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   exactly ,   hebrews   talks   about   how   we&#39;re   aliens .   And   so ,   friends ,   keep   that   focus   and   look .   Yeah ,   the   entire   universe   and   its   massive   expanse   is   enough   to   exist   for   the   purpose   of   glorifying   God ,   to   show   how   massive   he   is ,   that   he   spans   the   universe   with   his   hand ,   that   heaven   and   the   heaven   of   heavens   can&#39;t   contain   him .   Listen   to   Psalm   19 ,   1-4   as   we   end   on   worship .   The   heavens   declare   the   glory   of   God   and   the   firmament   shows   his   handiwork .   Day   under   day   utter   speech   and   night   under   night   reveals   knowledge .   There   is   no   speech   nor   language   where   their   voice   is   not   heard .   Their   line   has   gone   out   through   all   the   earth   and   their   words   to   the   ends   of   the   world .   Psalm   147 ,   4-5, .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>44:06</time>
      <p>
          He   counts   the   numbers   of   the   stars .   He   calls   them   all   by   name .   Great   is   our   Lord   and   mighty   in   power .   His   understanding   is   infinite .   Psalm   148 ,   3-6, .   Praise   him ,   son   and   Moon .   Praise   him   all   you   stars   of   light .   Praise   him ,   you   heavens   of   heavens ,   and   you   waters   above   the   heavens .   Let   them   praise   the   name   of   the   Lord ,   for   he   commanded   and   they   were   created .   He   also   established   them   forever   and   ever .   He   made   a   decree   which   shall   not   pass   away .   Isaiah   40 ,   26, .   Lift   up   your   eyes   on   high   and   see   who   created   these ,   he   who   brings   out   their   host   by   number ,   calling   them   all   by   name .   By   the   greatness   of   his   might   and   because   he   is   strong   in   power ,   not   one   is   missing .   And   finally ,   job   9 ,   7   and   9, .   He   commands   the   sun   and   it   does   not   rise .   He   seals   off   the   stars .   He   alone   spreads   out   the   heavens   and   treads   on   the   waves   of   the   sea .   He   made   the   bear ,   orion   and   ladies   and   the   chambers   of   the   south   so  
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      <h2 id="the-ultimate-cure-for-insomnia"><a class="no-underline" href="#the-ultimate-cure-for-insomnia">The Ultimate Cure for Insomnia</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>45:00</time>
      <p>
          good .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>45:00</time>
      <p>
          So   I   wanted   to   end   on   that   friends ,   worship   him .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>45:04</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   forget   the   blob   and   preach   the   gospel ,   amen .   Worship   him   in   deed   and   truth   and   make   him   known   for   the   glory   of   his   great   name .   Well ,   there   you   have   it ,   friends .   Thank   you   so   much   for   joining   us   today .   Don&#39;t   forget   to   check   out   the   School   of   Biblical   Vangelism   online   and   textbook   form ,   the   Living   Waters   Mug ,   the   Evidence   Study   Bible   all   at   LivingWaterscom .   Remember   to   give   us   comments ,   thoughts ,   questions   at   podcastatlivingwaterscom .   Remember   to   subscribe   to   the   podcast ,   tell   others   about   it ,   leave   us   a   comment   and   give   us   a   rating .   Thank   you   for   joining   us ,   friends .   We&#39;ll   see   you   here   next   time   on   the   Living   Waters   podcast .   The   Ultimate   Cure   for   Insomnia .   

      </p>