

      <h2 id="ray-s-evangelism-and-funny-hair"><a class="no-underline" href="#ray-s-evangelism-and-funny-hair">Ray&#39;s Evangelism and Funny Hair</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>1:04</time>
      <p>
          Ray ,   have   you   ever ,   in   evangelism ,   shared   Isaiah   53   with   a   Jew ?   Yeah ,   and   what&#39;s   been   the   response ?   Wonderful .   From   then ,   I&#39;m   going   to   get   it .   I   remember .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>1:15</time>
      <p>
          I   did   a   video   it   just   got   up   with   Reuben   the   Jewish   math   professor .   Yeah ,   yeah ,   and   we   talked   about   it   and   I   mentioned   Isaiah   53   and   how   it   speaks   of   a   man .   It   doesn&#39;t   speak   of   the   nation   of   Israel ,   and   he   was   just   saying   wow ,   and   this   is   a   Jew   saying   wow ,   as   I   quoted   Isaiah   and   Psalm   two .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>1:35</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   by   the   way ,   if   you   have   not   listened   or   if   you   have   not   seen   that   video ,   I   really   urge   you   to   go   to   YouTube   and   look   it   up .   It   is   really   really   good .   The   man   almost   begs   for   salvation   at   the   end   of   the   interview .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>1:49</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it&#39;s   beautiful .   It   really   was .   It&#39;s   one   of   the   best   I   think   you&#39;ve   ever   done ,   right ?   We   all   know   I&#39;m   crazy   yeah ,   amen .   So   it&#39;s   no   surprise   that   one   night   last   week ,   as   I   sat   alone   on   my   couch   in   my   living   room ,   I   laughed   out   loud   to   myself .   But   the   question   is ,   why   did   I   laugh   out   loud   to   myself ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>2:16</time>
      <p>
          Because   you&#39;re   looking   into   the   mirror   On   my   watch   and   you&#39;re   looking   into   the   mirror   Because   you&#39;re   high-kitched   in   the   mirror .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>2:20</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   annoying   you   as   well .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>2:21</time>
      <p>
          The   question   is   why   did   I   laugh   out   loud   to   myself   as   I   sat   alone   on   my   couch   in   my   living   room   last   week ?   I&#39;m   going   with   mirror ?   It&#39;s   because ,   friends ,   my   brain   conjured   up   a   wonderful   image   of   Ray   Comfort   with   a   perm .   With   a   what   With   a   perm ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>2:41</time>
      <p>
          Perm ?   What   are   you   talking   about   that ?   I   was   just   going   to   tell   you   I   just   wrote   it   down   here   that   I   accidentally   took   three   of   my   wife&#39;s   supplements .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>2:52</time>
      <p>
          I   saw   them   getting   a   perm .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>2:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   see   it   was   appropriate   Ray   looking   like   Keith   Green   Ray   did   you   Back   in   the   day ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>3:00</time>
      <p>
          perms   were   the   thing .   I   mean   guys   were   the   thing .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:02</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   you   better   explain   what   is   a   permanent   curl   that   you&#39;re   getting   here .   But   it&#39;s   not   permanent .   Yeah ,   it&#39;s   like   what   you&#39;ve   got .   It   is .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>3:09</time>
      <p>
          Seriously ,   if   I   let   my   hair   go   would   you   have   a   perm   Ray ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>3:11</time>
      <p>
          did   you   have ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:11</time>
      <p>
          a   perm   no .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>3:12</time>
      <p>
          Wait   if   I   let   my   hair   go .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:13</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   want   to   know   what   would   happen   with   Easy .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>3:15</time>
      <p>
          Would   it   be   a   fro ?   Like   a   Middle   Eastern   fro   you   guys   know ,   my   hair   doesn&#39;t   grow   out ,   it   grows   up .   Basically ,   I   think   it   is   so   cool   to   have   a   huge   fro .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:22</time>
      <p>
          I   was   thinking   about   it   the   other   day .   You   see   guys   walking   down   the   street   and   they   got   a   fro .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>3:24</time>
      <p>
          I   think   that&#39;s   very   cool .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:26</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   you   could   have   like   a   really   bad   80s   like   flat   top ,   you&#39;d   never   get   a   head   injury .   I   know   Kid   and   play .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:32</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   funny ,   I   bet   you   can   grow   a   landing   pad   up   there .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>3:34</time>
      <p>
          When   we .   But   it&#39;s   funny ,   though ,   when   people   have   like   big   hair   and   get   rid   of   it ,   they   look   like   half   the   person   they   were .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:40</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   you&#39;re   already   like   half   person .   We   want   you   to   grow   them .   It&#39;s   like   my   dog .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>3:44</time>
      <p>
          When   I   give   her   a   bath ,   she   like   disappears .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>3:47</time>
      <p>
          She&#39;s   like .   She&#39;s   like   a   rat .   You   clean   your   dog   Well   that&#39;s   why   I&#39;m   a   clean   person .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>3:52</time>
      <p>
          Seriously ,   I   was   thinking   yesterday .   I   wish   I   had   a   dog   shower .   I&#39;d   shower   my   dog   every   day   if   I   could ,   Really .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="conversations-about-hair-and-mullets"><a class="no-underline" href="#conversations-about-hair-and-mullets">Conversations About Hair and Mullets</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>3:58</time>
      <p>
          Anyway ,   Ray ,   back   to   your   perm .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:59</time>
      <p>
          You   take   the   dog   in   the   shower ,   will   you ?   That&#39;s   what   I   do ,   no   way ,   yeah ,   I   always   do   that .   So   much   easier .   That&#39;s   just   not   right ,   there&#39;s   no   panic   from   the   dog .   They   just   stand   in   the   corner   looking   terrified .   You   spray   the ,   you   send   the   shower   towards   them   or   her ,   and   it&#39;s   all   over   and   they&#39;re   thrilled .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>4:14</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I&#39;m   not   into   that .   Ray ,   now   Ray   perm .   Did   you   ever ,   ray ,   seriously   get   a   perm ?   No ,   what   do   you   think   I&#39;m   crazy ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:24</time>
      <p>
          I   did   have   hair   on   my ,   I   just   didn&#39;t   brush   my   hair   when   I   was   in   my   late   teens .   It   was   just   hanging   on   my   shoulders   and   sun   bleached .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>4:32</time>
      <p>
          Kind   of   looking   like   Seiway ,   seiway .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:34</time>
      <p>
          How   many   guaranteed   YouTube   views .   Would   it   take   to   get   you   to   have   a   perm   right   now ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:38</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   I&#39;d   do   it   for   a   million   views .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:40</time>
      <p>
          There ,   you   go .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:41</time>
      <p>
          You   heard   it   here .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>4:42</time>
      <p>
          Ray ,   why   don&#39;t   you   grow   your   hair   out   like   really   long ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:47</time>
      <p>
          Because ,   I&#39;m   out   of   my   teenage   years .   I&#39;ve   grown   up .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>4:50</time>
      <p>
          No ,   that   would   be   so   cool   to   see   you   with   long   hair .   Really ,   no ,   not   really .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:55</time>
      <p>
          You   made   me   shave   my   mustache   off   when   we   were   in   Israel .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>4:58</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   that   was   the   greatest   joy   of   my   life .   It   was   terrible .   Seriously ,   because   you   know   I   detested   your   mustache .   That&#39;s   no   secret .   Everybody   knows   that   and   I   see   it ,   but   I ,   honestly ,   I   could   not   believe   my   eyes .   When   you   walked   out   the   next   day   from   a   hotel   room   and   your   mustache   was   gone .   I   was   like   are   you   saying   moustache ?   Yeah ,   it   is   Moustache ,   moustache ,   that&#39;s   what   I   say .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>5:22</time>
      <p>
          My   nose   is   so   important   it   had   to   be   underlined   Ray   what   was   the   last   time   you   were   completely   clean   shaven ,   though   I   know   you   that   you   cut   it   down   really   low ,   but   you   can   still   see   it&#39;s   double   In   the   late   20s   I   tried   eight   times   grommastache   and   it   wouldn&#39;t   come   through .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:34</time>
      <p>
          It   was   pathetic .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>5:35</time>
      <p>
          It   was   like   you .   Like   you   get   it ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:39</time>
      <p>
          No ,   but   remember   when   you   were   in   Israel   and   you   came   out   with   your   mustache   yes   and   I   had   breakfast   in   the   morning   and ,   as   a   teenage   kid   that   really   loved   me ,   says   you   don&#39;t   look   like   Ray   Comfort   anymore .   Yeah ,   remember .   And   I   was   just   shattered .   He   was   terrified .   And   then   my   wife   didn&#39;t   like   it   either .   She   said   big   grudge .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>5:53</time>
      <p>
          Did   she   really ?   Oh ,   yes .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:54</time>
      <p>
          I   had   to   have   trained   nasal   here   to   fill   in   the   gap .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>5:58</time>
      <p>
          She   wasn&#39;t   happy   with   me   when   you   got   back   home .   Huh   Well ,   it   was   me ,   not   you .   She   never   got   me   to   do   it .   Why   made   you   do   it ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:03</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   well ,   you   didn&#39;t   make   me   do   it ,   you   just   strongly   suggest   you   don&#39;t   do   well   with   peer   pressure .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>6:08</time>
      <p>
          Knife   to   my   throat .   You   really   don&#39;t   Prove   it .   Did   you   ever   have   a   mullet   Ray ?   A   mullet   yeah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:14</time>
      <p>
          No ,   that   is   disgusting .   I   saw   kids   were   in   right   now .   Oh ,   it&#39;s   horrible ,   like   half   of   our   listeners   have   mullets .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>6:20</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   that   means   half   our   listeners   are   Canadians .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:24</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   that   awful .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>6:26</time>
      <p>
          Mullets   are   big   in   Canada .   They&#39;re   big   right   now ,   back   in   the   day ,   I   know .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:29</time>
      <p>
          Everything   goes   around   in   circles ,   oscar ,   don&#39;t   you ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>6:30</time>
      <p>
          do   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>6:31</time>
      <p>
          I   told   my   wife   You&#39;re   in   everything ,   that&#39;s   in .   You&#39;re   in   everything .   No ,   that&#39;s   not   true .   I   did   tell   my   wife   that   during   our   two   week   break   in   December   I   might   grow   a   mullet .   No ,   please .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>6:41</time>
      <p>
          I   think   your   hair   is   like   mine ,   though .   It   will   just   curl .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:43</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   a   little   puff   work   in   the   back .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>6:46</time>
      <p>
          Mark   mullet .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>6:47</time>
      <p>
          No   no ,   you   never   did   a   mullet   back   in   the   80s ,   kirk   did   a   mullet   I   yeah ,   I&#39;m   not   a   mullet   guy   I   don&#39;t   know   if   it   was   a   mullet ,   it   was   just   a   bush   behind   him .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>6:57</time>
      <p>
          You   know   who   had   the   worst   mullet   ever ?   I   think   was   Mel   Gibson .   He   had   a   pretty   nasty   mullet .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>7:04</time>
      <p>
          And   that&#39;s   business   in   the   front ,   parting   the   back .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>7:08</time>
      <p>
          But   Rachel   used   to   say   this .   They   used   to   use   this   acronym .   You&#39;re   not   going   to   remember   it .   No ,   it   was   that   like   parting   the   front   Business   in   the   back ,   Business   in   the   front .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>7:17</time>
      <p>
          Parting   the   back   something   like   that .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:18</time>
      <p>
          I   feel   like .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>7:19</time>
      <p>
          Albert   Muller .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:22</time>
      <p>
          Albert   Muller   is   like   a   pseudo   character   of   himself   called   Albert   mullet .   It&#39;s   like   this   younger ,   rebellious   rock   and   roll   self .   That   would   be   funny .   He&#39;s   going   to   make   us   take   his   episode   off   Albert   mullet   Off   our   list .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>7:36</time>
      <p>
          The   adventures   of   Albert   mullet .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>7:38</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;d   be   a   fun   thing   to   do ,   really .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>7:41</time>
      <p>
          There   was   a   thought   that   had   a   real   bad   mullet .   Was   it   Ray   Bolton   or   Bolton ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>7:46</time>
      <p>
          Michael   Bolton .   Michael   Bolton .   Michael   Bolton   oh   yeah ,   from   the   80s   Remember   his   man ,   it   was   like   is   he   still   around ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:52</time>
      <p>
          I ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>7:52</time>
      <p>
          don&#39;t   know .   Well ,   EZ   still   listens   to   the   music   In   his   prayer .   Closet   out   comes   Michael   Bolton   from   underneath .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>7:59</time>
      <p>
          The   worst   is   balding   guys   with   mullets .   Those   are   the   worst .   I   think   they&#39;re   trying   to   make   us   Well ,   it&#39;s   worse   when   the   mullet   comes   over   the   front .   It&#39;s   a   cover   up ,   okay .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>8:11</time>
      <p>
          Apologies   to   any   big   guys .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>8:12</time>
      <p>
          Exploring   the   messianic   prophecies   of   mullets .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>8:15</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;re   going   to   lose   all   the   mullet   here .   That&#39;s   what   I&#39;m   saying .   They&#39;re   all   going   to   be   gone .   All   right ,   france .   Here   is   a   wonderful   comment   from   Liso   Bezo .   Liso   Bezo ,   1216 .   This   past   Lent   I   gave   up   TV   and   entertainment   and   got   to   a   point   where   I   couldn&#39;t   listen   to   any   more   worship   songs .   One   podcast   became   my   thing .   I   randomly   came   upon   the   podcast   when   Ray   visited   Janet   Partial ,   or ,   as   Ray   says ,   janet   Pashel   to   promote   one   of   his   new   books .   Ray ,   you   are   my   hero .   I   thought   he   was   awesome ,   so   gave   this   podcast   a   try .   First   episode   I   listened   to   was   on   Job ,   and   I   think   they   talked   about   tofu .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>8:56</time>
      <p>
          We   did   talk   about   tofu .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>8:58</time>
      <p>
          Welcome   to   the   podcast .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>9:01</time>
      <p>
          Then   I   heard   EZ&#39;s   voice .   Sorry   about   that ,   but   I   kept   listening .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:07</time>
      <p>
          Did   it   really   say   that ?   Oh ,   that&#39;s   funny .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>9:10</time>
      <p>
          I   heard   EZ&#39;s   voice   dot   dot   dot ,   but   I   kept   listening .   I   can&#39;t   count   how   many   episodes   I&#39;ve   listened   to   now .   This   podcast   has   changed   my   walk   with   God .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>9:19</time>
      <p>
          Is   it   bitter   or   worse ?   Right .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>9:22</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   a   cancer   survivor   and   gave   my   life   to   God   a   long   time   ago   and   thought   I   was   doing   pretty   well .   In   addition   to   focusing   on   reading   scripture ,   this   podcast   has   changed   my   life   and   helped   sanctify   my   walk .   The   fear   of   the   Lord   is   a   real   thing   and   has   transformed   my   life .   You   guys   fostered   that   in   me .   I   thank   God   for   you   all   the   time .   I   have   shared   your   podcast   with   so   many   people   and   I   think   I   drive   my   Bible   study   attendees   crazy   because   I   talk   about   you   guys   all   the   time .   Also ,   since   this   spring ,   I&#39;ve   gone   through   major   anxiety   slash ,   panic   issues .   Anytime   I   feel   alone ,   afraid   or   panicked ,   I   listen   to   you   guys .   You   don&#39;t   know   how   this   impacts   you   are   making   for   the   kingdom .   I   also   say   hi ,   friends ,   all   the   time   now   in   EZ&#39;s   voice .   God   bless   you .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="exploring-messianic-prophecies-in-isaiah-53"><a class="no-underline" href="#exploring-messianic-prophecies-in-isaiah-53">Exploring Messianic Prophecies in Isaiah 53</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>10:06</time>
      <p>
          Ez&#39;s   voice   is   now   my   favorite .   No ,   love   you   all   dearly   Elizabeth .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>10:10</time>
      <p>
          Did   you   add   that ?   Yeah ,   what   do   you   add ?   What   do   you   add ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>10:13</time>
      <p>
          Redemption   I   would   Hang   on .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:17</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   her   name&#39;s ,   elizabeth .   That&#39;s   why   she   likes   your   little   squeaky   voice .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>10:20</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   why   it   also   says   please   read ,   please   read .   Ez ,   I&#39;ve   noticed   this   that   people   will   put   compliments .   Did   you   see   that ?   Okay ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>10:27</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   I   was   at   a   church   preaching   two   weeks   ago   in   Colorado   and   they   were   like   it&#39;s   so   clear   that   EZ   reads   all   the   comments   written   about   EZ .   I   was   like   thank   you ,   Of   course ,   Of   course .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>10:39</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   Elizabeth ,   thank   you   so   much .   Seriously ,   when   I   read   this   to   Rachel   the   other   day ,   I   bawled   my   eyes   out .   That&#39;s   why   I   didn&#39;t   cry .   Now   I   got   it   all   out .   Just   the   thought   that   the   Lord   has   used   us   in   this   way   in   your   life   means   more   to   us   than   you   know   Elizabeth .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>10:51</time>
      <p>
          So   be   it   a   male .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>10:52</time>
      <p>
          Thank   you   and   God   bless   you .   All   right   Friends .   This   podcast   is   brought   to   you   by   why   Christianity   Solving   Life&#39;s   Most   Important   Questions   booklet .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:07</time>
      <p>
          Have   we   done   a   panic   attacks   podcast ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>11:11</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   know   if   we&#39;ve   done   a   panic   attack ,   one   Anxiety .   Well ,   we   did   one   on   anxiety .   We   did   Anxiety   attacked   yeah ,   because   that   was   one   of   my   pastor   sermon   titles .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:19</time>
      <p>
          So   we   must   have   done   one .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>11:20</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   we   probably   talking   about   it .   Why   Christianity ,   booklet   Ray ,   was   that   a   question ?   Why   Christianity ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:29</time>
      <p>
          Why   not   this ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>11:30</time>
      <p>
          is   one   of   our   top   selling   books ,   by   the   way .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:33</time>
      <p>
          Say   it .   What&#39;s   that ?   I   have   a   million   copies   in   print .   I   think   it&#39;s   very ,   very   popular   because   it   uses   that   illustration   of   the   four   things   you&#39;re   offered   in   a   plane .   It   makes   it   very   clear .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>11:48</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   we   have   an   episode   on   it   too   on   the .   Youtube   channel   One   of   my   favorites   for   sure   Really   really   good .   My   friend   Eric   Joule   Bean   is   in   it   and   I&#39;m   in   it ,   which   is   what   really   matters ,   but   that   was   a   fun   one   to   film ,   ray   going   to   that   airplane   graveyard .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>12:05</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it   was   Standing   on   the   wing   of   a   plane .   That   was   really   cool .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>12:11</time>
      <p>
          Alright ,   friends ,   make   sure   to   check   it   out   why   Christianity   Solving   lies   most   of   the   questions   Booklet .   Don&#39;t   forget   the   Living   Waters .   I&#39;m   going   to   go   get   them .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>12:20</time>
      <p>
          My   son   ordered   one   yesterday   and   Sue   came   up   to   the   office   and   said   how   often   do   you   see   your   son ,   noah ?   And   I   said   every   day   Noah   ordered   it .   Yeah ,   Noah   ordered   one   for   the   shipping   and   everything   and   Sue   goes .   I   can&#39;t   have   him   pay   for   this ,   I   go .   Well ,   now   all   my   kids   want   one .   Thanks ,   Sue .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>12:39</time>
      <p>
          In   case   you&#39;re   a   listener .   If   you&#39;re   the   kind   of   person   that   needs   water   to   survive ,   the   Living   Waters   mug   is   for   you ,   yeah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>12:47</time>
      <p>
          But   wait ,   there&#39;s   more .   Yes ,   there   is .   Don&#39;t   forget   the   evidence   study   Bible   All   at   LivingWaterscom .   Ooh   good ,   Alright ,   friends ,   time   to   get   started   with   the   show .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:00</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   so   excited   about   this .   Psalm   53   is   one   of   my   favorite   Psalms ,   so   I   need   to   get   into   it .   I&#39;ve   been   digging   into   it   all   week   and   memorizing   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>13:08</time>
      <p>
          Imagine   if   you   prepped   for   Psalm   53 .   Yes ,   friends   today   we   are   exploring   the   Messianic   prophecies   in   Isaiah   50 .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:14</time>
      <p>
          And   we   were   going   to   do   this   a   week   or   so   ago   but   we   put   it   off   because   this   is   such   a   hallowed   ground   of   Scripture   I   mean   all   Scriptures   hallowed   ground .   But   this   is   super   special   and   I   was   thinking   how ,   when   we   approach   it ,   we&#39;re   going   to   handle   it   with   white   gloves   because   it&#39;s   so   special .   It   is   special   and   especially   when   you   consider   the   fact   that   Isaiah   wrote   Isaiah   Isaiah   Ray .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>13:39</time>
      <p>
          Seriously ,   you   guys   say   it   like   that .   Yeah ,   I   had   to   relearn   it   when   I   came   over   here .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:45</time>
      <p>
          I   think   Rachel   finally   changed   her   ways   in   that   regard .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>13:48</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   pretty   annoying ,   isaiah .   What&#39;s   wrong   with   that ,   isaiah ?   You   don&#39;t   feel   that&#39;s ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:55</time>
      <p>
          unnatural   to   say   like   that .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>13:58</time>
      <p>
          No .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>13:59</time>
      <p>
          Let   me   hear   you   say   it ,   isaiah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>14:02</time>
      <p>
          Anyway ,   that   was   my   gladiator   voice   yeah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>14:06</time>
      <p>
          But ,   he   wrote   it   around   685   BC ,   so   almost   700 .   Years   before   Christ   came .   Honestly ,   guys ,   I   know ,   we&#39;re   going   to   jump   into   it ,   but   I   just   want   to   say   at   the   outset   I   don&#39;t   think   you   need   anything   else   in   the   pages   of   the   Old   Testament   besides   Isaiah   53   to   demonstrate   that   Christ   is   who   Scripture   tells   us   he   is .   Well ,   god   would   disagree .   I   was   thinking   that ,   but   I   didn&#39;t   want   to   say   it .   But   no ,   I   see   what   you&#39;re   saying .   I&#39;m   saying   in   terms   of   being   able   to   recognize   the   fact   that   you&#39;re   a   Christian ,   you&#39;re   a   Christian .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>14:36</time>
      <p>
          You&#39;re   a   Christian ,   you&#39;re   a .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>14:37</time>
      <p>
          Christian .   You&#39;re   a   Christian .   You   know   being   able   to   recognize   like   how   can   you   not   realize   this   is   Jesus ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>14:44</time>
      <p>
          Specificity .   That&#39;s   what   it   has .   That&#39;s   specific   Specificity ,   yeah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>14:50</time>
      <p>
          Did   I   say   that   wrong ?   No ,   I   misheard   you .   But   you   know ,   I   think   I   watched   a   video   once   where   someone   in   Israel   was   going   up   to   people .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:02</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   tell   us   about   it .   Right ,   it&#39;s   the   guy   that   loves   the   ministry   of   God ,   the   Gospel   of   God ,   and   he   was   reading   Isaiah   53   to   people   and   saying   where   is   this   from ?   And   they   said   it&#39;s   obviously   the   New   Testament .   But   it   wasn&#39;t .   It   was   the   old   test   of   it .   And   I   actually   watched   a   video   this   morning .   Not   many   views ,   but   it   was   a   guy   who&#39;s   repreaching ,   I   think   in   New   York ,   and   he   was   reading   Isaiah   and   nobody   was   listening   to   him .   It   was   just ,   and   suddenly   two   Orthodox   Jews   stopped   and   listened   to   him   and   they   said   that&#39;s   talking   about   us ,   and   I&#39;m   not   going   to   be .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>15:37</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it   would   make   no   sense   in   that   context .   You   see   verses   too   within   Isaiah   that   make   a   differentiation   between   and   usually   they&#39;ll   say   that   because   it   says   the   servant   of   the   Lord ,   and   there&#39;s   times   when   Israel   is   called   the   servant   of   the   Lord .   But   you   see   in   there   where   there&#39;s   a   differentiation   made   between   Israel   and   the   servant .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:57</time>
      <p>
          They&#39;re   mentioned   both   within   the   same   text .   Are   you   going   to   read   it   to   us ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>16:01</time>
      <p>
          Isaiah   53 ?   I   know ,   hey ,   scotty ,   I&#39;m   hearing   the   resonance   in   my   voice .   Now   it&#39;s   coming   back .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>16:09</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;ve   got   40   minutes   of   easy   talking   I   want   to   talk   more .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>16:11</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;ve   been   trying   to   adjust   these   mics .   But   yes ,   you&#39;re   right ,   Ray ,   we   go   back   to   52 .   Unfortunately ,   sometimes ,   you   know ,   with   verse   breaks   we   don&#39;t   get   full   context .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>16:21</time>
      <p>
          What   was   the   coffee   break   in   the   Old ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>16:23</time>
      <p>
          Testament .   But   let   me   just   say   this   real   quick   and   then   I&#39;ll   let   you   guys   jump   in .   I   see   Oscar   there .   Just   I&#39;m   not   ready   to   jump   in ,   but   I   listened   to   a   great   sermon   by   MacArthur   on   this ,   so   a   number   of   the   things   I&#39;m   going   to   share   come   from   that .   But   he   highlighted   the   fact   that   Isaiah   is   really   kind   of   split   into   two .   So   you   have   chapters   1   to   39 ,   and   those   are   dealing   with   God&#39;s   judgment   on   the   southern   kingdom   of   Judah .   They   had   gone   really   bad .   God   had   talked   to   Judah   about   how   they   went   further   than   even   the   pagan   Gentile   nations   went .   And   then   we   know   that   in   the   captivity   to   Babylon   there   were   three   phases   in   that   regard .   And   then   chapters   40   to   66   deal   with   salvation   for   Israel   and   starting   in   chapter   42 ,   that&#39;s   where   we   see   the   servant   of   Jehovah   being   mentioned .   And   then   it   culminates   in   chapter   52 ,   there   at   the   end ,   and   then   into   53 .   And   Isaiah   has   been   called   the   gospel   of   the   Old   Testament .   Yeah ,   spurgeon ,   I   think   it   might   have   been   Spurgeon ,   I&#39;m   sure   others   as   well ,   and   it&#39;s   pretty   interesting   when   you   look   at   it   right .   So   when   you   start   at   chapter   40 ,   verse   3 ,   the   salvation   section ,   it   says   in   verse   3 ,   the   voice   of   one   crying   in   the   wilderness .   Prepare   the   way   of   the   Lord ,   make   straight   in   the   desert   a   highway   for   God .   And   that&#39;s   how   some   of   the   books   in   the   New   Testament   open   up ,   right   with   John   the   Baptist   that   was   referencing   him .   We   see   that   in   Mark   3 ,   1 ,   luke   3 ,   4   to   6 .   Then   at   the   end   of   Isaiah ,   chapter   66 ,   we   read   this   for   as   the   new   heavens   and   the   new   earth   which   I   will   make   shall   remain   before   me ,   says   the   Lord ,   so   shall   your   descendants   and   your   name   remain .   And   then   we   see   in   Revelation   21   and   22, .   That&#39;s   how   the   New   Testament   closes .   All   right ,   revelation   21 ,   1, .   Now   I   say   a   new   heaven   and   a   new   earth ,   for   the   first   heaven   and   the   first   earth   have   passed   away .   And   so   it&#39;s   just   amazing   that   parallel ,   and   that&#39;s   why   I   think   some   reference   it   as   a   gospel .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="understanding-prophecy-and-the-book"><a class="no-underline" href="#understanding-prophecy-and-the-book">Understanding Prophecy and the Book</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>18:15</time>
      <p>
          All   right ,   your   turn ,   guys .   No   we&#39;re   good .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>18:18</time>
      <p>
          When   are   you   going   to   read   it ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>18:20</time>
      <p>
          I   will ,   but   I   want   to   see   if   anyone   else   has   something   to   say   first .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>18:23</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   Well ,   I   mean ,   I   think   it&#39;s   important   to   not   get   ahead   of   our   skis   before   we   get   into   God&#39;s   word ,   especially   because   we   start .   You&#39;ve   never   heard   of   that   one   before .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>18:33</time>
      <p>
          No ,   ahead   of   our   skis .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>18:34</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   when   you   break   a   leg .   If   you   jump   off   a   ramp   skiing   and   your   head   goes   in   front   of   your   skis ,   you&#39;re   in   trouble .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>18:40</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>18:41</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   it&#39;s   off   his ,   come   off   your   shoulders .   That&#39;s   why ,   yeah ,   it&#39;s   easy .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>18:44</time>
      <p>
          It   almost   happened   to   me .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>18:46</time>
      <p>
          No ,   so   we   don&#39;t   want   to   get   ahead   of   our   skis .   I   think   Easy   brings   up   a   really   good   first   point ,   and   I   think   there&#39;s   two   points   that   we   need   to   lay   sort   of   a   foundation   for   before   we   get   into   it .   Point   number   one ,   which   is   what   Easy&#39;s   doing ,   is   the   sum   total   of   the   book   of   Isaiah .   You   want   to   read   Isaiah   53   within   the   context   of   the   book   of   Isaiah .   And   then   the   second   point   is   the   nature   of   prophecy ,   since   we&#39;re   focusing   specifically   on   the   prophetic   nature   of   Isaiah .   So   point   one ,   just   to   summarize   what   Easy   is   alluding   to ,   which   is   where ,   where   does   the   book   of   Isaiah   fit   in   the   grand   narrative   of   redemptive   history ?   It   sits   within   a   Babylonian   exile ,   and   it&#39;s   important   to   recognize   that .   As   Isaiah   writes ,   as   actually   all   of   the   authors   of   the   Old   Testament   wrote ,   they   saw   themselves   in   the   context   of   the   Exodus   story ,   and   so   everything   related   both   back   to   the   Exodus   story   and   it   alluded   to   something   looking   forward   of   a   new   kind   of   Exodus .   And   so   you   almost   have   like   three   Exodus   stories   happening ,   interwoven   with   each   other .   You&#39;ve   got   the   Exodus   story   with   Moses   and   God&#39;s   people   from   Pharaoh ,   and   then   you&#39;ve   got   this   new   Exodus   story   in   which   Isaiah   and   the   Jewish   people   are   being   exiled   to   Babylon   and   they&#39;re   waiting   for   a   new   kind   of   Exodus   where   they   will   return   back   to   the   Promised   Land ,   and   they&#39;re   repeating   all   of   the   similar   sins   that   were   happening   in   Egypt .   People   were   getting   comfortable ,   they   were   becoming   too   much   like   the   culture   around   them .   They   weren&#39;t   living   faithfully   as   exiles   to   the   glory   of   God .   Once   they   are   removed   from   exile   and   headed   towards   the   Promised   Land ,   they   very   quickly   forget   about   the   goodness   of   God   and   his   salvific   work   in   their   lives .   So   he&#39;s   talking   about   past   tense   the   Exodus   story   present   tense ,   the   Babylonian   story .   But   he&#39;s   also   talking   about   a   future   exile   in   which   we   are   living   post   resurrection   of   Jesus ,   in   which   we   are   living   as   sojourners   and   exiles   in   this   world ,   waiting   for   the   second   coming   of   Christ .   And   so   all   of   these   things   are   sort   of   at   play   in   one   story ,   which   also   leads   me   to   the   idea   of   prophecy .   I   think ,   unfortunately ,   a   lot   of   people   think   of   prophecy   as ,   like   this   fortune   telling .   Like   you   know ,   there&#39;s   these   codes   and   so   they   try   to   use ,   like   they   try   to   build   their   own   Excel   spreadsheets   and   they   try   to   create   a   rubric   to   be   able   to   go   look ,   I&#39;ve ,   I&#39;ve   calculated   out   of   the   prophetic   words   and ,   and   here&#39;s   the ,   the ,   the   sum   total   conclusion ,   whether   that&#39;s   prophetic   language   towards   Jesus   or   future   prophetic   language ,   and   that&#39;s   simply   not   the   way   Isaiah   or   any   other   prophet   would   want   you   to   read   what   they   wrote .   That&#39;s   also   not   the   way   Christians   in   the   in   the   New   Testament   or   Jews   in   the   Old   Testament   would   have   read   prophecy .   The   biggest   clue   is   they   didn&#39;t   have   Excel   Right .   So   step   one   you&#39;re   doing   something   wrong ,   but   more   than   that ,   what   they   saw .   Instead   of   trying   to   think   of   prophecy   as   a   rubric ,   they   saw   prophecy   as   a   way   of   understanding   the   role   or   the   place   in   which   they   were   in   God&#39;s   redemptive   story .   And   so   all   of   these   Old   Testament   stories   are   how   Christians   and   Jews   would   understand   their   own   story .   It&#39;s   it&#39;s   put   it   this   way   the   Exodus   story   is   to   the   New   Testament   and   Old   Testament   people ,   what   pop   culture   is   to   us   today .   It&#39;s   how   they   told   their   own   story .   So   here&#39;s   the   best   example   that   I   can   give ,   and   then   I&#39;ll   shut   up .   In   basketball   culture ,   we&#39;ve   got   stories   and   we   tell   our   own   stories   in   the   context   of   basketball   stories .   So   imagine   one   day   you   and   I   are   going   to   go   play   basketball   easy   and   I   say   I&#39;m   gonna   put   up   81   on   you   today   easily .   But   what   would   that ?   What   would   81 ?   What   is ,   what   is   the ?   What   do   you   know   what ?   81   references   in   basketball   culture ?   81   points ,   kobe   Bryant   oh ,   yeah ,   right .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>23:02</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>23:02</time>
      <p>
          So   here&#39;s   the   thing   if   somebody   heard   me   and   they   misinterpreted   my   language ,   they&#39;d   be   like ,   oh ,   that&#39;s   prophecy .   Oscar&#39;s   gonna   put   up   81   points   against   easy .   And   let&#39;s   say   I   don&#39;t ,   I   only   put   up   20 .   Then   they   would   have   to   reinterpret .   Well ,   maybe   he   meant   he&#39;s   gonna ,   over   the   sum   total   of   all   the   games   they   play ,   put   up   81   points .   And   then ,   if   they   didn&#39;t   get   that ,   they&#39;d   think ,   oh   well ,   maybe   Oscar&#39;s   Descendants   would   put   up   81   points   against   easy&#39;s   descendants .   You   see ,   they   would   be   Misinterpreting   the   language   that   I   was   using .   What   I   was   trying   to   do   was   use   Culture   to   tell   a   story   that   I   wanted   to   demolish   you .   In   that   same   way ,   the ,   the   authors   of   prophecy ,   are   using   Old   Testament   language   to   tell   a   new   story .   That&#39;s   how   we   have   to   read   prophecy .   That&#39;s   how   we   should   read   Isaiah   53 .   So   that&#39;s   the   rubric ,   that&#39;s   the   narrative .   I   did   not   rubric .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>23:56</time>
      <p>
          I   had   to   look   it   up   did   you   codex   mark   easy   you   know   what   rubric   is   yes ,   yeah ,   of   course ,   Oscar .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>24:01</time>
      <p>
          What   if   I   said   I   was   gonna   put   a   hundred   on   you ?   What   would   that   be   from ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>24:05</time>
      <p>
          that   would   be   Will   Chamberlain .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>24:07</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   good ,   all   right ,   enough   of   that .   No   good   stuff ,   oscar ,   thanks   for   giving   us   that   back .   Oh ,   all   right ,   here   we   go ,   isaiah ,   begin   again ,   again   in   52 ,   13   to   15 ,   and   then   we&#39;ll   jump   in   there .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>24:19</time>
      <p>
          You&#39;re   going   to   a   deep   voice   about .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>24:23</time>
      <p>
          Behold ,   my   servant   shall   deal   prudently .   He   shall   be   exalted   and   extolled ,   and   very   high .   Just   as   many   were   astonished   at   you ,   so   his   visage   was   marred   more   than   any   man ,   and   his   form   more   than   the   sons   of   men ,   so   shall   he   sprinkle .   Many   nations ,   kings   shall   shut   their   mouths   at   him ,   for   what   had   not   been   told ,   then   they   shall   see ,   and   what   they   had   not   heard   they   shall   consider .   Now ,   in   dies   a ,   f53 ,   verse   1 ,   who   has   believed   our   report   and   to   whom   has   the   arm   of   the   Lord   been   revealed ?   For   he   shall   grow   up   before   him   as   a   tender   plant   and   as   a   shoot   out   of   dry   ground .   He   has   no   form   or   comeliness ,   and   when   we   see   him ,   there   is   no   beauty   that   we   should   desire   him .   He   is   despised   and   rejected   by   men ,   a   man   of   sorrows   and   acquainted   with   grief ,   and   we   hid ,   as   it   were ,   our   faces   from   him .   He   was   despised   and   we   did   not   esteem   him .   Surely   he   has   borne   our   griefs   and   carried   our   sorrows .   Yet   we   esteemed   him .   Stricken ,   smitten   by   God   and   afflicted .   But   he   was   wounded   for   our   transgressions .   He   was   bruised   for   our   iniquities .   The   chastisement   for   our   peace   was   upon   him ,   and   by   his   stripes   we   are   healed .   All   we ,   like   sheep ,   have   gone   astray .   We   have   turned   everyone   to   his   own   way   and   the   Lord   has   laid   on   him   the   iniquity   of   us   all .   He   was   oppressed   and   he   was   afflicted ,   yet   he   opened   not   his   mouth .   He   was   led   as   a   lamb   to   the   slaughter   and   as   a   sheep   before   it   shares   a   silent .   So   he   opened   not   his   mouth .   He   was   taken   from   prison   and   from   judgment .   And   who   will   declare   his   generation ?   He   was   cut   off   from   the   land   of   the   living   for   the   transgression   of   my   people .   He   was   stricken   and   they   gave   his   grave   with   the   wicked ,   but   with   the   rich   at   his   death ,   because   he   had   done   no   violence ,   nor   was   any   deceit   in   his   mouth ,   yet   it   pleased   the   Lord   to   bruise   him .   He   was   put ,   he   has   put   him   to   grief   when   you   make   his   soul   an   offering   for   sin .   He   shall   see   his   seed ,   he   shall   prolong   his   days   and   the   pleasure   of   the   Lord   shall   prosper   in   his   hand .   He   shall   see   the   labor   of   his   soul   and   be   satisfied   by   his   knowledge .   My   righteous   servant   will   justify   many ,   for   he   shall   bear   their   iniquities .   Therefore   I   will   divide   him   a   portion   with   the   great   and   he   shall   divide   the   spoil   with   the   strong ,   because   he   poured   out   his   soul   unto   death   and   he   was   numbered   with   the   transgressors   and   he   bore   the   sin   of   many   and   Made   intercession   for   the   transgressors .   Whoo ,   how   many   times   do   we   read   that ,   you   know ?   But   still ,   every   time   it&#39;s   filled   with   so   much   freshness   and   I   think   that   deeper   mind   are   of   what   Christ   endured .   For   us ,   it&#39;s   all   about   the   cross .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>27:04</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   the   horror   of   the   cross .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>27:05</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   you   know ,   isaiah   itself   is   cited   13   times   in   the   27   books   of   the   New   Testament ,   and   then   Isaiah   53   in   particular   is   cited   in   Matthew ,   mark ,   luke ,   john ,   acts ,   romans   and   1st   Peter ,   and   We&#39;ve   talked   about   this   before .   You   know ,   there   are   some   who   will   look   at   Old   Testament   prophecy   again ,   like   Isaiah ,   like   Oscar   alluded   to ,   and ,   because   of   their   understanding   of   how   it   works ,   we&#39;ll   say ,   oh ,   no ,   no ,   this   couldn&#39;t   have   applied   to   Jesus .   But   we   have   to   remember   that   the   New   Testament ,   through   divine   inspiration ,   validates   for   us   what   God   placed   within   the   Old   Testament   pages   as   a   Prophecy .   So   there&#39;s   no   questioning   it ,   there&#39;s   no ,   oh ,   I   wonder .   That   validates   it   completely .   And   so   we   need   to   have   confidence   in   that   regard   and   we   need   to   be   able   to   to   share   this   right .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="isaiah-53-and-the-cross"><a class="no-underline" href="#isaiah-53-and-the-cross">Isaiah 53 and the Cross</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>27:56</time>
      <p>
          Have   you   ever ,   in   evangelism ,   shared   Isaiah   53   with   a   Jew ?   Yeah ,   and   what&#39;s   been   the   response ?   Wonderful   From   them ,   I   remember .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>28:07</time>
      <p>
          I   just   a   video   just   got   up   with   Reuben ,   the   Jewish   math   professor .   Yeah ,   and   we ,   we   talked   about   it ,   and   we ,   we   talked   about   it ,   and   I   mentioned   Isaiah   53   and   how   it   speaks   of   a   man .   It   doesn&#39;t   speak   of   the   nation   of   Israel ,   and   he   was   just   saying   wow ,   and   this   is   a   Jew   saying   wow ,   as   I   quoted   Isaiah   and   Psalm   2   no ,   by   the   way ,   if   you   have   not   listened   or   if   you   have   not   seen   that   video ,   I   really   urge   you   to   go   to   youtube   and   look   it   up .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>28:33</time>
      <p>
          It   is   really   Really   good .   The   man   almost   begs   for   salvation   at   the   end   of   the ,   at   the   end   of   the   interview .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>28:41</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   it   really   was   one   of   the   best   I   think   you&#39;ve   ever   done .   Right   Now ,   mark ,   I   want   you   to   jump   in   on   this ,   but   but   let&#39;s ,   let&#39;s   remember   what   we&#39;re   told   in   Luke .   This   is   24 ,   25   to   27 .   This   is   on   the   road   to   Emmaus .   So   then   he   said   to   them   oh ,   foolish   ones   and   slow   of   heart   to   believe   in   all   that   the   prophets   have   spoken .   Ought   not   the   Christ   to   have   suffered   these   things   and   to   enter   into   his   glory ?   And ,   beginning   at   moses   and   all   the   prophets ,   which   would   include   isaac ,   he   expounded   to   them   and   all   the   scriptures   of   things   concerning   himself ,   and   then ,   and   verses   44   and   46   through   46   says   then   he   said   to   them   these   are   the   words   which   I   spoke   to   you   while   I   was   still   with   you ,   that   all   things   must   be   fulfilled   which   were   written   in   the   law   of   moses   and   the   prophets   and   the   Psalms   Concerning   me ,   and   he   opened   their   understanding   that   they   might   comprehend   the   scriptures .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>29:31</time>
      <p>
          And   they   go   hop   in .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>29:34</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   the   first   case   of   harpern   Um   Gregory   of   Nazarene&#39;s ,   this ,   I   don&#39;t   know   if   I   pronounced   that   correctly   in   83 .   In   referring   to   jesus   I   I   sent   this   to   easy .   Earlier   today   in   a   text   it   just   stood   out   to   me .   He   said   now ,   bear   in   mind   the   year   is   381 .   I   like   the   inside   of   this .   He   said   he   began   his   ministry   by   being   hungry ,   yet   he&#39;s   the   bread   of   life .   And   he   ended   his   earthly   ministry   by   being   thirsty ,   yet   he   is   the   living   water .   Jesus   was   weary ,   yet   he   is   our   rest .   And   jesus   paid   tribute ,   yet   he&#39;s   the   king .   Jesus   was   accused   of   having   a   demon ,   yet   he   cast   out   demons .   Jesus   wept ,   yet   he   wipes   away   our   tears .   Jesus   was   sold   for   30   pieces   of   silver ,   yet   he   redeemed   the   world .   Jesus   was   brought   as   a   lamb   to   the   slaughter ,   yet   he   is   the   good   shepherd .   And   jesus   died ,   yet   by   his   death   he   destroyed   the   power   of   death .   Hmm ,   that   is   a   wall .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>30:33</time>
      <p>
          No ,   yeah ,   that&#39;s   381 .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>30:36</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   that&#39;s   so   good .   Uh ,   I   love   what   james   on   gummery   boys   said .   He   said   the   cross   stands   as   the   focal   point   of   the   christian   faith .   Without   the   cross ,   the   bible   is   an   enigma   and   the   gospel   of   salvation   is   an   empty   hope .   Yeah ,   it   all   goes   back   to   the   cross   and   I   think   that   you   know ,   like   paul   said ,   I ,   you   know ,   I   knew   nothing   among   you   except   jesus   christ   and   him   crucified .   You   know   that ,   that   heartbeat   behind   what   fuels   us   as   believers ,   recognizing   that   it   all   revolved   around   the   cross ,   that   was   the ,   the ,   the   pinnacle   of   all   of   god&#39;s   Redemptive   history .   You   know   for   mankind   that   that   was   laid   out   ahead   of   time ,   and   and   he   did   that .   You   know   for   us ,   and   so   you   know   what   I&#39;d   like   to   do .   Piper ,   uh ,   john   piper ,   broke   it   down   one ,   one   pipe ,   yeah ,   that&#39;s .   He   broke   down ,   uh ,   isaia   53 ,   and   I   want   us   to   just   look   at   each   little   point   here   and   just   talk   about   it .   So   first   he   talked   about   the .   The   servant ,   uh ,   the   servant ,   he   said ,   knew   the   purposes   of   the   lord .   He   said   in   the   middle   of   verse   11 ,   it   says   by   his   knowledge ,   the   righteous   one ,   my   servant ,   will   justify   the   many .   Why ?   Why   does   by   his ,   what   does   by   his   knowledge   mean ?   It   means   that   the   first   work   of   the   servant   was   a   work   of   knowing .   It   means   that   the   servant   was   not   taken   off   guard   by   the   will   of   the   lord   to   crush   him .   He   knew   it   and   he   agreed   with   it .   So ,   guys ,   we   know   in   Gethsemane   Jesus   was   Crying   out   to   the   father   if   there&#39;s   any   way ,   this   cup   can   pass   from   me   but   ultimately   we   know   that   was   Christ   kind   of   manifesting ,   you   know ,   the   realities   of   the   cross   that   was   coming   and   the   wrath   of   God   that   he   was   going   to   bear   and   the   separation   from   the   Father ,   whatever   that   really   means .   It&#39;s   hard   for   us   to   fully   comprehend   it .   But   he   knew ,   he   had   knowledge   that   that   was   his   mission .   He   was   born   so   that   he   might   die   and   so   let&#39;s   just   talk   about   that   a   little   bit .   I   mean   every   episode   that   we   see   in   Scripture .   Christ   was   aware   of   the   fact   he   was   going   to   Christ .   In   fact   he   would   tell   the   disciples   and   they   didn&#39;t   understand   it .   They   were   detached   from   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>32:48</time>
      <p>
          He   was   born   knowing   that   he   might   die .   That&#39;s   really   good .   And   I   think ,   isaiah ,   what   you   see   Isaiah   do   is   that   he   alludes   to   Abraham   and   Isaac   here   in   these   last   chapters .   This   is   amazing .   This   is   from   a   book   that   I   have   found   to   be   very   helpful ,   by   James   Hamilton   in   typology ,   understanding   the   Bible&#39;s   promise   shape   pattern .   So   he   points   out ,   he   says   and   if   you   notice ,   in   Genesis   22 ,   verse   one   God   calls   on   Abraham .   Abraham   replies   here   I   am .   And   Genesis   22 ,   verse   seven   Isaac   calls   on   Abraham ,   abraham   replies   here   I   am .   Genesis   22 ,   11 ,   the   angel   of   the   Lord   calls   on   Abraham .   Abraham   replies   here   I   am .   And   then   he   points   out   in   Isaiah   52 ,   verse   six   so   just   before   53 ,   it   says   this   therefore ,   my   people   will   know   my   name .   Therefore ,   on   that   day ,   they   will   know   that   I   am   the   one   who   says   here   I   am .   He   goes   on   to   say   that ,   when   joined   with   the   other   pointers   to   the   narratives   of   Abraham   and   Isaac ,   in   the   immediate   context   this   statement   seems   to   be   saying   Yahweh   telling   his   people   that   he   will   play   the   role   of   the   Father   in   Genesis   22   narratives ,   saying   as   Abraham   did   here   I   am .   In   other   words ,   what   Isaiah   is   pointing   out   is   that   Jesus   is   the   better   Isaac ,   in   that   Isaac   was   spared ,   but   Jesus   would   not   be   spared .   His   blood   would   be   spilled .   The   one   and   only   Son ,   the   precious   one .   His   blood   would   be   spilled   for   the   salvation   of   the   people .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>34:32</time>
      <p>
          And   Ray ,   I&#39;d   love   you   to   just   comment   on   this   for   a   moment .   Jesus   said   no   one   takes   my   life   from   me .   I   willingly   lay   it   down .   I   mean   the   willingness   of   Christ   to   do   what   he   did   for   us .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>34:45</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   which   is   the   essence   of   servanthood .   He   was   an   absolute   servant .   Behold   my   servant ,   god   says .   And   when   Jesus   was   baptized   it   was   so .   God ,   if   I   may   say   this ,   couldn&#39;t   hold   back   his   joy   and   saying   this   is   my   beloved   Son   and   whom   I   am   well   pleased .   And   I   often   look   at   the   words   of   Jesus   where   he   said   I   always   do   those   things   that   please   him .   What   human   being   could   say   that   there&#39;s   nothing   we   do   that   can   please   God ?   Even   our   righteous   Deedra   is   filthy   rags   in   his   sight .   And   here   was   the   willing   servant   who   came   to   lay   down   his   own   will   and   do   the   will   of   the   Father   not   my   will ,   but   yours   be   done   for   our   redemption .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>35:26</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   mark ,   oftentimes   we   forget   that   the   servanthood   of   Christ   was   tied   to   his   crucifixion .   I   mean   even   Scripture   says .   I   mean   he   did   not   come   to   serve ,   but   to   serve   and   to   give   his   life   are   ransom   for   many ,   even   in   Hebrews ,   where   it   talks   about   the   humility   of   Christ .   He   took   the   form   of   a   bond   servant ,   coming   in   the   license   of   men   and   became   obedient ,   even   to   the   point   of   death .   So   I   mean   that&#39;s   his   service   toward   us .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>35:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   that&#39;s   the   picture   of   humility   and   meekness   all   wrapped   up   into   one .   You   know ,   when   we   read   Isaiah   53 ,   we   see   the   suffering   that   is   foretold   of   the   Messiah   to   come .   And   I   was   reading   a   commentary   earlier   and   he   was   talking   about   Jesus   being   called   the   man   of   sorrows   because   of   how   much   suffering   he   had   to   endure ,   and   he   broke   it   down   into   three   different   sections   and   because   of   time   we   won&#39;t   be   able   to   get   into   all   this .   But   he   brings   out   the   fact   that   he   first   left   the   glories   of   heaven   and   he   entered   the   human   race   as   a   man .   This   is   what   is   known   as   the   incarnation   and ,   as   the   old   hymn   says ,   the   Creator   had   woven   himself   a   robe   of   virgin   flesh .   Wow ,   what   picturesque   language   that   is   put   on   there ,   right ?   Yeah ,   cs   Lewis   said   the   central   miracle   asserted   by   Christians   is   the   incarnation .   They   say   that   God   became   a   man ,   and   that   flies   in   the   face   of   all   the   other   religions .   Right ,   because   religions   are   filled   with   man&#39;s   desire   to   want   to   either   elevate   themselves   to   God   or   how   man   is   God   himself .   But   Christianity   is   how   God   became   a   man   and   this   is ,   according   to   the   commentator ,   the   first   act   of   suffering   that   Jesus   endured   as   he   became   one   of   us .   Right ?   And   the   second   point   he   said   was   he   suffered   all   the   things   that   humanity   suffers .   He   suffered   rejection ,   he   suffered   hunger   and   thirst ,   he   suffered   temptation   when   he   was   out   in   the   wilderness   for   the   40   days ,   he   was   misunderstood   and   he   was   accused   of   being   demon   possessed .   Right .   So   he   understands   the   suffering   that   we   will   go   through .   He   understands   the   temptations   that   we   experience .   And   then ,   finally ,   thirdly ,   he   suffered   the   wrath   of   God   as   the   sin   bearer .   And   we   talk   to   non-Christians   all   the   time   about   the   implications   of   this .   If   you   do   not   turn   to   Christ   in   faith   and   realize   that   the   wrath   of   the   Father   came   down   upon   the   Son   and   in   so   doing ,   it   satisfied   the   demands   of   the   law ,   or   you   got   to   do   it   yourself .   Well ,   what   does   that   mean ?   To   do   it   yourself ?   And   the   commentator   went   on   to   say   every   sinful   action   that   man   commits   is   being   stored   in   a   celestial   drawer   that   will   come   out   on   judgment   day ,   and   when   God   puts   his   hand   on   that   knob   and   opens   that   door ,   you   will   fall   to   the   ground .   That&#39;s   good ,   I   mean .   Well ,   that&#39;s   like   that .   Right ,   there   is   picturesque .   And   that   is   a   scary ,   scary   thought ,   because   every   idol   word ,   man   speaks .   You   have   to   give   him   a   camera .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>38:29</time>
      <p>
          I   love   the   opening   of   that ,   in   the   sense   that   it&#39;s   so   important   to   realize   that   Jesus   suffered   greatly   and ,   to   your   point ,   I   mean ,   I   think ,   one   of   the   most   telling   things   too ,   because   people   often   don&#39;t   want   to   talk   about   the   wrath   of   God ,   they   don&#39;t   want   to   talk   about   the   reality   of   hell ,   and   you   alluded   to   the   undeniable   fact   that   you   must   talk   about   it   because ,   to   your   point ,   jesus   suffered   but   he   did   not   say   my   God ,   my   God ,   take   this   starvation   from   me .   He   did   not   say   take   these   nails   from   me .   He   did   not   say   take   this   crown   of   thorns .   He   did   not   say   take   this   cross .   He   said   take   this   cup .   What   cup   was
      </p>

      <h2 id="the-cross"><a class="no-underline" href="#the-cross">The Cross</a></h2>


        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>39:08</time>
      <p>
            he   talking   about ?   All   throughout   the   Old   Testament ,   the   cup   is   a   representation   of   the   fullness   of   the   wrath   of   God ,   in   other   words ,   the   one   out   of   all   of   the   suffering   that   Jesus   experienced .   The   one   thing   that   his   focus ,   his   primary   focus ,   was   on   was   the   wrath   of   God .   That   was   the   greatest   of   suffering   that   Jesus   was   going   to   take   on ,   which   means   his   death   is   not   just   a   symbolic   representation   of   love   and   sacrifice .   It   is   a   substitutionary   atonement .   He   took   on   the   fullness   of   the   wrath   of   God .   He   who   knew   no   sin   became   sin   so   that   we   sinners   could   experience   and   live   within   his   righteousness .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>39:50</time>
      <p>
          Let   me   comment   on   that .   I   absolutely   love   that   Our   friend   is   over   at   G-3 ,   Josh   Beis   he   wrote   an   article .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>39:58</time>
      <p>
          I   have   been   saying   Beis   this   whole   time .   It   is   Beis .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>40:04</time>
      <p>
          He   wrote   an   article   on   the   wrath   of   God   that   is   found   over   at   their   website ,   g3menorg .   This   is   what   he   said   concerning   the   wrath   of   God .   He   said   in   some   circles   today ,   the   love   of   God   is   elevated   above   the   wrath   of   God   with   clear   emphasis .   That   is   a   tragic   mistake .   It   does   not   reveal   the   true   nature   and   revelation   of   God   as   he   has   put   on   display   in   the   pages   of   Scripture .   We   must   be   balanced   and   true   to   what   God&#39;s   word   actually   states .   God   is   not   a   loose   cannon   losing   his   temper   with   people .   God&#39;s   wrath   is   not   a   reckless   rage ,   an   uncontrollable   anger ,   a   senseless   fury   or   an   unjust   vengeance .   The   wrath   of   God   is   a   precise   and   controlled   response   to   the   belittling   of   his   holiness .   Everyone   who   perishes   under   the   wrath   of   God   in   eternity   will   not   be   because   God   lost   his   temper   with   them   and   mistreated   them .   On   that   day ,   everyone   will   know   that   God   has   treated   them   with   precise   justice .   Three   trillion   years   into   eternity ,   every   sinner   who   is   cast   into   hell   will   still   know   that   God   has   never   mistreated   anyone .   I   applaud .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>41:19</time>
      <p>
          Josh   for   that .   Wow ,   that   is   really   powerful ,   ray .   The   second   point   that   John   Piper   highlights   is   the   servant   poured   out   himself   to   death .   I   will   emphasize   his   death   there .   You   talk   often   about   death   and   how   people   are   held   captive   by   it   all   their   lives   and   you   know ,   we   know   we&#39;re   going   to   die .   But   think   of   Christ ,   who   is   the   eternal   God ,   knowing   that   he&#39;s   going   to   experience   something   that   in   reality   is   an   impossibility   for   God   to   experience   right   in   the   fullness   of   his   essence .   He   was   coming   to   die .   I   mean ,   the   thought   of   that   is   mind-blowing .   Don&#39;t   you   tie   that   ultimately   to   his   love   for   us ,   that   he&#39;d   be   willing   to   do   that ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>42:05</time>
      <p>
          You   can&#39;t   separate   his   love   from   the   cross .   When   we   minister   the   love   of   God ,   it&#39;s   so   important   to   preach   it   in   the   context   of   the   cross .   So   many   comments .   People   say ,   like   you&#39;re   on   YouTube   channel ,   you&#39;re   just   unloving .   And   the   goodness   of   God   brings   us   to   repentance .   I   like   to   say   check   out   that   verse   in   Romans ,   chapter   two ,   where   it   speaks   of   the   goodness   of   God   brings   us   to   repentance .   It&#39;s   sandwiched   in   wrath .   Paul   is   speaking   wrath-filled   words   when   he   mentions   that   and   it&#39;s   God&#39;s   grace   and   his   goodness   that   draws   us .   I   love   what   a   preacher   once   said ,   talking   about   Jesus   suffering   on   the   cross   and   then   rising   from   the   dead   and   victory   over   death .   And   Harry   kicked   over   the   throne   of   Satan ,   snatched   the   keys   from   him   and   said   behold ,   I&#39;m   he   that   lives   and   was   dead ,   and   I&#39;m   alive   forevermore   and   have   the   keys   to   death   and   hell .   Just   looking   at   verse   three ,   where   it   says   we   hit ,   as   it   were ,   our   faces   from   him ,   speaking   of   humanity   hating   the   light ,   and   when   you   hide   your   face ,   you   don&#39;t   want   it   in   your   vision .   Get   out   of   my   peripheral ,   which   reminded   me .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>43:12</time>
      <p>
          I   know   exactly   where   you&#39;re   going .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>43:14</time>
      <p>
          Brian   Reagan ,   walking   through   the   stand-up   community ,   walking   through   the   first   class ,   and   looking   at   people   who   have   got   their   little   laptops   and   they&#39;re   saying   I&#39;m   making   money   right   now ,   right   now .   And   he   says   right   now ,   bring   me   the   head   of   a   pig   or   something .   And   then   he   says ,   get   out   of   my   peripheral   because   we&#39;re   the   riffraff   going   through   first   class .   And   he   says ,   get   behind   that   curtain   and   pull   that   curtain   across .   And   that&#39;s   how   people   are   with   Jesus .   They   don&#39;t   want   to   talk   about   them ,   they   want   to   think   about   them .   He&#39;s   not   in   their   thoughts ,   they   hide   their   faces   from   them ,   and   it&#39;s   because   of   the   guilt   of   this   sin .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>43:46</time>
      <p>
          Wow ,   although   the   way   you   put   it   easy   and   it&#39;s   actually   what   you   just   said   is   this   stumbling   block   was   and   still   is   the   stumbling   block   for   so   many   Jewish   people   it&#39;s   the   idea   that   a   God ,   that   God ,   would   die .   That   was   the   thing   that   was .   So   you   know   this .   This   idea   that   God   dies   is   a   scandalous   idea .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>44:07</time>
      <p>
          Same   with   Muslim   Muslim   they&#39;re   offended .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>44:09</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   exactly   right .   It&#39;s   this   great   scandal   that   feels   unimaginable .   And   yet   it&#39;s   the   beauty .   It   is   scandal ,   it   is   a   scandalous   act .   It   is   the   beauty   and   the   reality   of   the   gospel .   I   love   the   way .   One   of   my   favorite   books   on   church   history   I   know   I&#39;ve   quoted   it   before   on   this   podcast   Bruce   Shelley&#39;s   book   church   history   and   plain   language ,   the   opening   line   to   the   book ,   which   is   one   of   the   best   openers   I&#39;ve   ever   read   Christianity   is   the   only   major   religion   to   have   at   its   central   event   the   humiliation   of   its   God .   Wow .   And   it&#39;s   that&#39;s   a   reality .   That&#39;s   the   scandal   that   holds   people   so   many   back .   We   get   it .   It   is   a   scandalous   act ,   and   yet   it&#39;s   also   the   most   loving   act   that&#39;s   ever   been   done .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>44:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   mean ,   it   flies   in   the   face   of   everything   this   world   stands   for .   It&#39;s   so   counterintuitive .   You   know ,   yesterday   I   came   across   a   video   of   an   interview   back   in ,   I   think ,   1959   with   the   novelist   Anne   Rand   as   she   wrote   the   book   Atlas   Shrugged .   What   a   wicked ,   evil   woman .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>45:14</time>
      <p>
          Let   me   just   say   that   that   book   when   I   was   in   the   financial   industry ,   that   book   was   so   popular ,   yeah   it   was   like   the   book   to   read .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>45:21</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   she&#39;s   a   very   wicked   woman .   And   basically   she   was   saying   she&#39;s   creating   a   new   philosophy   and   saying   that   this   whole   concept   of   altruism ,   of   laying   your   life   down   for   other   people ,   it&#39;s   a   bunch   of   nonsense .   And   I   think   it   was   Wallace .   He   was   interviewing   her   and   he   said   to   her   he   said   what   are   you   talking   about ?   Back   in   that   day ,   right ,   that   people   had   some   sanity   compared   to   today .   And   he   goes   to   her   this   is   the   foundation   of   our   culture .   And   he   talked   to   her   about   Christ .   He   said   based   on   the   teachings   of   Christ ,   that   we   lay   our   lives   down ,   we   love   people ,   we   give   our   lives   away   for   others   and   basically   she   went   on   this   rant   about   how   only   people   who   deserve   love   should   be   given   love .   I   mean ,   this   stuff   was   insane .   This   book   sold   like   10   million   copies .   One   of   the   biggest   selling   books   of   all   time ,   but   it   flies   again   in   the   face   of   the   world .   It   goes   against   everything   the   world   stands   for .   But   this   shows   all   the   more   the   wicked ,   sinful ,   fallen   nature   of   man .   It&#39;s   all   about   self   versus   a   life   that&#39;s   given   over   to   serve   others .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>46:31</time>
      <p>
          I   want   to   quickly   read   a   hymn   that   I   was   listening   to   earlier   today   by   Philip   Bliss .   He   was   from   1838   to   1876 .   He   was   an   American   hymnist ,   composer   evangelist   and   teacher .   He   was   also   a   contemporary   of   DL   Moody   in   Fanny   Crosby .   So   the   hymn   goes   like   this   man   of   Sorrows ,   what   a   name   for   the   Son   of   God   who   came   ruined   sinners   to   reclaim   Alleluia .   What   a   savior .   Bearing   shame   and   scoffing   rud   in   my   place ,   condemned   he   stood ,   sealed ,   my   pardon ,   with   his   blood .   Hallelujah ,   what   a   savior .   Guilty ,   vile   and   helpless ,   we   spotless   Lamb   of   God ,   was   he   full   atonement ?   Can   it   be ?   Hallelujah ,   what   a   savior .   Lifted   up ,   was   he   to   die ?   It   is   finished .   Was   his   cry   now   in   heaven ,   exalted   high ?   Hallelujah ,   what   a   savior .   And   when   he   comes ,   our   glorious   King ,   all   his   ransomed   home ,   to   bring   then   anew   this   song ,   will   sing   Hallelujah ,   what   a   savior .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>47:37</time>
      <p>
          Wow ,   that&#39;s   so   good .   Wow ,   what   a   great   place   to   end .   Mark ,   you   know   we   can&#39;t   go   through   all   that   pipe   or   laid   out   here .   Talk   about   the   servant   bore   the   sins   of   many .   The   servant   rose   from   the   dead .   The   servant   interceded   for   transgressors .   The   servant   justifies   as   people   servant   bears   the   offspring   and   his   death   and   resurrection   and   divides   the   booty   with   the   strong .   But   there&#39;s   so   much   there .   I   mean   how   we   really   should   have   done   like   four   episodes   on   this .   But ,   mark ,   that   was   so   good   and   I   hope   that   that   we   keep   what   Christ   did   at   the   very   center .   I   D   A   Carson   put   it   well .   He   said   I   fear   that   the   cross ,   without   ever   being   disowned ,   is   constantly   in   danger   of   being   dismissed   from   the   central   place   it   must   enjoy   by   relatively   peripheral   insights   that   take   on   far   too   much   weight   Whenever   the   periphery   is   in   danger   of   displacing   the   center .   We   are   not   far   removed   from   idolatry .   So   may   we   keep   the   cross   the   center .   May   we   recognize   that   what   happened   with   Jesus   was   not   accidental .   It   was   a   preordained   plan   of   God .   It   is   the   very   basis   for   our   redemption ,   and   may   we   continually   proclaim   the   cross .   May   we   lift   up   Jesus   as   Moses   lifted   up   the   serpent   in   the   wilderness   so   that   he ,   through   his   death ,   as   Isaiah   prophesied ,   would   draw   all   men   unto   himself .   Well ,   there   you   have   it ,   friends .   Another   one   for   the   history   books .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>49:07</time>
      <p>
          Boy ,   I   thought   there&#39;s   going   to   be   no   silliness   after   you   just   said   all   that .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>49:11</time>
      <p>
          No ,   I   think   we   can   do   a   little   bit   of   that .   Yeah ,   don&#39;t   forget   to   check   out   what   I   mentioned   at   the   beginning   why   Christianity ,   solving   life ,   most   important   questions ,   booklet ,   living   Waters ,   mug ,   the   evidence   study   Bible   all   at   livingwaterscom .   Remember ,   guys ,   you&#39;re   keeping   us   at   five   stars   by   your   comments ,   your   ratings .   And   don&#39;t   forget   to   subscribe   so   that   you   can   get   prompts   and   tell   others ,   tell   a   friend .   It&#39;s   been   a   blessing   to   hear   people   say   hey ,   I&#39;m   telling   everyone   about   the   podcast .   That&#39;s   why   it   keeps   growing .   So   do   that .   Why   do   we   want   it   to   grow ?   So   more   people   can   be   encouraged   and   blessed   and   built   up .   Because   the   easy   needs   more   comments .   See   me   gusta   mucho   comentitos .   And   don&#39;t   forget   again   to   send   your   comments   to   podcastatlivingwaterscom .   And   there   you   have   it .   Thank ,   you ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>49:55</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   think   you   said   it .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="important-podcast-subscription-for-increased-listenership"><a class="no-underline" href="#important-podcast-subscription-for-increased-listenership">Important Podcast Subscription for Increased Listenership</a></h2>


        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>49:56</time>
      <p>
          One   of   the   most   important   things   you   can   do   is   subscribe   to   the   podcast .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>49:58</time>
      <p>
          I   did   say   it ,   but   you   weren&#39;t   listening .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>50:00</time>
      <p>
          Rips   the   algorithms   into   helping   us   get   more   people   to   listen .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>50:03</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   thank   you   for   that .   They   heard   it ,   but   you   didn&#39;t .   I   said   it ,   you   weren&#39;t   listening .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>50:07</time>
      <p>
          Thank   you   for   joining   us   Friends .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwane</cite>
      <time>50:09</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;ll   see   you   here   next   time   on   the   Living   Waters   podcast .   The   ultimate   cure   for   insomnia .  
      </p>