Jesus and Society's Dog Obsession

Mark Spence

Did Jesus have a sense of humor ? Yes , absolutely .

Emeal Zwayne

Absolutely , and that's a really good question , mark , and I want to talk about this .

Ray Comfort

Question Mark .

Emeal Zwayne

Ah , question , mark . But why is it seriously ? Why is it that certain people equate humor and laughter with being unspiritual ?

Oscar Navarro

Right , I mean it really is have you met some Presbyterian pastors ?

Emeal Zwayne

I love my .

Ray Comfort

Presbyterian friends , but I saw a guy who wrote a comment on a sermon I preached at Chino Hills where I used quite a bit of humor throughout the whole thing . He says cut the humor . Someone said that yeah he says cut the humor , it's not spiritual . And I thought , oh boy , you'd be a fun person .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , I mean seriously , you get these people that are baptized in lemon juice .

Ray Comfort

Like what , Seriously it's like .

Emeal Zwayne

And they just will not laugh . They will not . It's almost like oh , that's not good , that's not . Where do we get that from , man ? Where does that come from ? Here's when you know , friends , that a society is facing a massive moral crisis , that it's heading toward total and absolute collapse , that it's on the brink of utter destruction . It's when you see a growing number of grown people pushing their dogs around and baby strollers Such a Ray what's wrong with that ? Or placing their dogs on the front of their bikes in a basket with sunglasses .

Ray Comfort

No repent , I told Janet Parshall off of that on live radio when she said I've got a bike with a basket .

Oscar Navarro

It's not a basket .

Ray Comfort

If I hit 95 , I'll be on a three-wheel bike with a basket , and until that time I've got a platform with a dog on it , not a basket .

Emeal Zwayne

Dog on a platform .

Oscar Navarro

Guys , seriously , what you know , what you need is one of those side carts like the old school ones . Yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

Oh yeah , that'd be cool , those little motorcycles .

Ray Comfort

If I ever get a big dog like a great Dane , I'll put them like that , that'd be great .

Emeal Zwayne

Seriously , Ray , you should get a great Dane . Put a saddle on it .

Ray Comfort

Always one Twice the size of Ray and I need to get me a ladder . Also Go for a ride .

Emeal Zwayne

But seriously , guys , I'm so perplexed by this . Dogs and strollers , dogs and baby slings , those baby carriers and slings .

Ray Comfort

What's wrong with that I ?

Emeal Zwayne

purchased one of those Dogs dressed up in fancy outfits Dogs have you guys seen those dog bakeries ? They have dog treat bakeries . They bake dogs . I knew you were going to say that , yeah , hot dogs , they got dog nannies , some people . I was looking up last night . I was finding pictures of these luxury dog houses with air conditioning , pools , waterslides , hot tubs . This is one dog house , yeah , oh well . No , I mean different ones . I grew up where a dog was not even allowed in your house .

Mark Spence

Amen .

Oscar Navarro

Amen Did you grow up that way , people actually buy dog food .

Ray Comfort

Disgusting . What is ?

Emeal Zwayne

wrong with you people ? Seriously , I'm tired of this stuff . I have a dog . I love my dog . She's a nice dog , she's a dog .

Ray Comfort

But where does she live ? Inside or outside ? Inside my house .

Emeal Zwayne

In my bedroom I sleep on the floor .

Mark Spence

Do you let your dog ?

Emeal Zwayne

sleep on your bed . My dog doesn't come into my room . In fact , I think twice I've tested her to call her into my room , but she knows If she's going after a ball full sprint , she gets to my door . If it happened to go into my bedroom , she'll stop . She knows she's not allowed in there . Yeah , but guys , come on , I'm talking insanity .

Ray Comfort

I was watching your dog drive your car to work .

Mark Spence

today , I saw a dog driving a Tesla . He did not .

Emeal Zwayne

No , but seriously , it was a big deal for me when we got our dog Willow three and a half years ago to actually have a dog inside our house . You have a beautiful dog .

Mark Spence

I have to say she is pretty amazing . Ray not so much , no , actually Ray's latest dog is actually very pretty .

Emeal Zwayne

Lucy , lucy , lucy's still living on your head , huh Ray .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , she loves spending time on my head .

Emeal Zwayne

But , guys , it's crazy , things have gotten out of whack with animals . I just have to say that I have to air that I know I'm going to get hate mail , area grievances , hate mail , death threats and probably everyone's going to bring pit bulls to attack me .

Mark Spence

I was mauled by a dog in the face . Well that's understandable , obviously . I would have looked like Tom Cruise if it wasn't for all the stitches .

Oscar Navarro

It's pretty bad For those of you who have listened and never seen . It's pretty bad . We don't look at Mark on purpose .

Emeal Zwayne

Mark , do you just be honest ? I'll try . He always is he's a question For a change . Mark be honest , do you just A change ? Do you just Do you tolerate your dog ?

Mark Spence

I totally do . I asked each one of my kids and my wives individually . I said , hey , are you going to cry when Rusty dies ? And they all said absolutely . And I went I'll .

Ray Comfort

Prepare yourself because I'm backing up the car .

Mark Spence

No , I mean I'm not going to cry when my dog dies . I'm not hoping that he dies . If something happens where everybody has to move out and something happens to my wife , I'll take care of the dog , but I Mark , you might surprise yourself when you're done , when your dog dies .

Emeal Zwayne

I grew up in an Arab home culture where you constantly , where you eat your dog . Don't get into this hot dog eaters . Okay , we are Nitzel men . I grew up in a home where you just give your dogs away . I mean all my life , every dog we've ever had , just give it away . I think I may have shared . A long time ago our poodle tiny had bad breath , helitosis . My sister was a dental hygienist . They would try to brush the poor dog's teeth Anyhow .

Ray Comfort

Miserable , depressed dog Change its diet . It's probably eaten Arab food . It was a it was a .

Emeal Zwayne

No , this was a dog that lost its lifetime partner from the previous owners and it was utterly depressed . They gave it to us . It had stinky breath One day . We just went to the park . I go , what are we doing ? Oh , we're just going to the park . My brother takes poor tiny out , puts it down and says tiny , go pee .

Mark Spence

That's the last I saw tiny . That's terrible .

Emeal Zwayne

I know it was at Myles Square Park . He's still there . You probably came across tiny Mark when he lived out there in the area . Change its name it was a dog that would go pee on command .

Ray Comfort

That's why my brother said go pee tiny , we have a , we walked off , and then we left . No wonder it was depressed . You called it tiny , tiny .

Oscar Navarro

We have a corgi that my family is obsessed with and we brought him home and we were all trying to figure out the name . I said why don't we name him Speed Bump ?

Emeal Zwayne

You got a corgi and there goes the podcast .

Ray Comfort

The dog head , corgi , is on its grown up , that beautiful dog .

Emeal Zwayne

Oh yeah , Rachel . Well , Rachel loves because she grew up with corgis

Exploring Laughter and Sharing Stories

Emeal Zwayne

the last time .

Oscar Navarro

So my grandma I don't know if I should tell the story , but I'm going to my grandma , sweet old lady , mexican woman , like from a different era , a different time . Why am I nervous ? So she went to Mexico recently to visit her family and , like her family grew up like they were Mexican Indian . So like I've been to my grandpa's house , like he literally like , or my great grandpa's house , they literally like , stuck up you know , a pole in the ground , was like this is our land and they built their home . So that's kind of where she goes to visit . And so she comes back , you know , this elderly woman , and she and we're like how was it , grandma ? And she's like , oh , it was so sweet you know my brother she goes , my brother , he's doing so well and we're like , what is he doing ? Well , he's raising these dogs in his backyard and he has them fight each other and it's so cute . We're like grandma . That's illegal , she's like no , but it's cute and fun .

Emeal Zwayne

Oh man , I'll elite that , bro . Yeah , is it illegal in Mexico ? Oscar , I'm pretty sure it's illegal everywhere . Well , I don't know about that , but it's gotta be and have that , the cock fighting or the roosters . It's pretty well , that's crazy what do you guys like that ?

Ray Comfort

I don't approve of that . By the way , you're gonna get pictures of dogs on Mark's computer .

Emeal Zwayne

Oh that's what you're doing . You like dogs , right .

Ray Comfort

I absolutely love dogs . Seriously , I don't know if you've seen me in action , but whenever there's a dog lying on the ground , I lie with it .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , that's true . We've seen you Absolutely love dogs . We've seen you barking airports .

Ray Comfort

We've seen you that is communicating with another species , ray .

Oscar Navarro

Ray sit .

Ray Comfort

Sit .

Mark Spence

I'm gonna go Ray really sees eye to eye with the dogs .

Emeal Zwayne

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Oscar Navarro

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Emeal Zwayne

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Ray Comfort

I agree with the poetry . Yeah , it was four , it was four , four times . Ez is mentioned four times .

Emeal Zwayne

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Ray Comfort

Isaac means laughter , doesn't it ?

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , isaac , really , though 13 listening to the podcast .

Ray Comfort

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Emeal Zwayne

Those are the only two options he might be in the podcast . A 13 year old is in a gang . A living waters podcast .

Ray Comfort

Me and my gang listened to the Living Waters podcast .

Emeal Zwayne

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Ray Comfort

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Ray Comfort

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Ray Comfort

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Emeal Zwayne

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Oscar Navarro

I will say I've read maybe eight or nine of Ray's books out of the hundred Eight or nine 89 . I think that's my favorite one .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , yeah , it's really really good and it's concise .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , it's not too bad , it's short .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah .

Ray Comfort

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Emeal Zwayne

Thank you for doing that for me , ray . All right friends . On to the topic of the day , examining God's gift of laughter .

Ray Comfort

I don't think it should be . Anything should be laughed at . What do you know about laughter ? No , laughing .

Emeal Zwayne

Man , seriously , they're talking about aliens and stuff these days . You guys know that , all this stuff going on in Congress we just did a podcast on it but I was looking at some drawings and stuff that they have of these aliens and these things look like they have no sense of humor . Seriously , how much it would stink to be an alien . I mean , do you ever see aliens laughing ? I can't imagine aliens .

Ray Comfort

Well , they could do a movie of laughing aliens and be different .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , but seriously . Thank you , lord for laughter . One of the most common compliments we get on the podcast is that it brings people joy and cheer and they're able to laugh .

Ray Comfort

It's fun when they turn it off . Yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

That's the best part . Yeah , and guys , the benefits of laughter . I want you to listen to this . This is from mayoclinicorg . It says this is short-term benefits of laughter Stimulates many organs . Laughter enhances your intake of oxygen . Rich air stimulates your heart , lungs and muscles and increases the endorphins that are released by your brain . It activates and relieves your stress response . A rollicking laugh fires up and then cools down your stress response , and it can increase and then decrease your heart rate and blood pressure . The result a good , relaxing feeling , and it soothes tension . Laughter can also stimulate circulation and aid muscle relaxation , both of which can help reduce some of the physical symptoms of stress .

Ray Comfort

Have you ever laughed to a point maybe you're gonna have a heart attack ? Oh man , when it just gets it . Just think , hey , this isn't funny anymore , I can't stop .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , like I can't breathe , where the next day you actually have like your ribs hurt , yeah .

Ray Comfort

I remember seeing a Peter Sellers movie years ago , one of the Pink Panther ones . I didn't watch the whole movie because it's dirty , but this portion was on YouTube , reset on some super glue or something , and it just because it's just what I'm like and I just couldn't . I fell off my chair physically laughing and I couldn't stop . It was horrible . Seriously , it was horrible .

Emeal Zwayne

No , but what is it ? What is laughter ? It's such a weird phenomenon that I mean when you , especially when we know we speak to crowds of people all four of us do , ray , it's like a tonic , isn't it ? When a when a crowd for both you know oh yeah , for both the audience and in the place you ain't not Ray , seriously , because this is , this is a specialty of yours . You've been doing it for a while I'm a friend .

Ray Comfort

I'm a fan of the Andy Griffith show . One show .

Oscar Navarro

Thank you .

Ray Comfort

But he says his preacher's passes , sermons are as dry as dust . He got caught saying that and it was very interesting . Made me think about chicken coop . Our chicken coop gets his dry as dust every week . It's just something about it . Just read right . And what we do before we clean the chicken coop is if you don't , you spit , choke together , death on dust . Just quick spray of the host , like that , and you've got no dust and there's a way to take a dry as dust sermon and Sprinklet with water . Yeah , and that's a little bit of humor , not overdoing it , just a little spray of humor right at the beginning . That makes them and you feel relaxed , because the fear of every congregation , if you're a new preacher , is oh , is this gonna be a taste of eternity ? Is there gonna be an end ? Is there light at the end of the tunnel ? If you make a joke right at the beginning , I don't mean a silly joke , but just a little bit of humor . It relieves them and makes them realize your humor Sorry , your human and that you're gonna Not be too heavy on them in that sense . Yeah , cuz you got , you've got a sense of humor , so it's it's essential to do that .

Oscar Navarro

It also helps with memory and agreeability . If you can get somebody to laugh with you , they are more prone to become agreeable . Yes from a preaching perspective , that's helpful because you want people to agree with God's word . From an evangelistic perspective , that's helpful because you want people to agree with God's word . It also Retriggers their attention span , hmm , so at the end of a particular point , you know , at five or ten minute point , it's great If you , if you get a little bit of laughter , because it retriggers them back into to listening to what you have to say .

Mark Spence

You know I talked in the past about the amygdala hijack . I don't know if you guys remember . Oh yeah , of course You're engaged in a conversation and somebody's made that up out of their mind and they cannot relate to what you're saying . They're just so angry . And I was reading how do you get somebody out of an amygdala hijack ? And it was tell a joke . Well , tell a joke in that Real lines are thinking . It brings them back down to reality . Now they're able to converse with you . I was looking up on got questions on some of the most common questions that are asked and then and they had a little section on Silly questions that came in where they just didn't know what to do with no cat . How do you answer this ? Let me read one of those questions for you . It was Is it wrong to take homeless people bowling and then gamble on which one of them is going to win ? Essentially , a group of young people would pick up some homeless people , take them to a bowling alley and buy them some food , pay for their bowling and then gamble on which one of them would win , not having an idea which was the best bowler . So that was an honest question that came in someone .

Emeal Zwayne

Actually Somebody asked that question .

Mark Spence

They didn't know how to respond to that . Is it wrong to take homeless people bowling and gambling ? Which one ? What do you do , you know , with that ? I mean , we live in a very unusual , unusual , strange place . Did Jesus have a sense of humor ?

Emeal Zwayne

Yes , absolutely , absolutely , and and and that's that's a really good question mark . And then I want to question mark . But why is it seriously ? Why is it that Certain people equate humor and laughter with being unspiritual , right , I mean ?

Oscar Navarro

it really is . I have you met some Presbyterian ? I love my first right .

Ray Comfort

I saw a guy who wrote a comment on a sermon I preached at Chino Hills where I used quite a bit of humor throughout the whole thing . He says cut the humor . Someone said that he says cut the humor , it's not spiritual . I thought , well , you'd be a fun person .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , I mean seriously . You get these people that are baptized in in lemon juice and they just will not laugh . They will not . It's almost like oh , that's not good this time . Where do we get that from ?

Oscar Navarro

Yeah , where does that come from ? It's a misunderstanding of the joy that God has given us to enjoy in this world . And actually there's a great . I Read this book a number of years ago .

Mockery and Humor in Religion

Oscar Navarro

It's called God mocks a history of religious satire from the Hebrew prophets to Stephen Colbert , and he talks about the both the good ways and the bad ways that mockery and humor is used . No , and so the Old Testament talks quite a bit , uses mockery quite a bit . Interestingly , god uses mockery in the Old Testament To poke fun at false prophets and false idols . Psalm 2 , verse 4 he who sits in the heavens laughs . The Lord scoffs at them . Psalm 37 the Lord laughs at him for he sees his day coming . Proverbs 3 though he scoffs at the scoffers , yet he gives grace to the afflicted . So Proverbs well , yeah , so , over and over again in the Old Testament , what we see is that God Laughs at false idols . Even the phrase is like it has eyes but cannot see . In ears , be can but cannot hear . It's laughing , it's mocking . God is mocking at the false idols . I've been crazy . Look at you , gave it eyes and it cannot see .

Ray Comfort

And then it goes further on to say and it's dumb , and those that make them , I like them exactly , really dumb .

Oscar Navarro

Yeah , so God uses mockery in the Old Testament and Jesus uses humor in the new . In this book that I read , he talks about how we Need to understand the nature of humor and how it's changed over time . What's funny to us today would not be funny 2,000 years ago . Yeah , so what made people laugh 2,000 years ago ? He observes hyperbole , and hyperbole was a way of like making people laugh . It was the humor of the day . So when he says you can't pass through the eye of the needle , he's using hyperbole All the times that you go . So think about just use that idea and go back and read Matthew , mark , luke and John and see how Often Jesus uses hyperbole to make a point . People his onlookers would have laughed in that moment . He was using humor to make a point that stuck strain at the net .

Ray Comfort

Swallow the camel . Yeah , you want to get smile . Imagine that in your mind someone string in a hat and swallow your camel . Yeah , legitimate use of humor .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , now , obviously we know that there are certain things that we shouldn't be laughing at , absolutely and your jokes Like no problem concerning that one .

Mark Spence

Like , what do you say to the guy who says it ? Listen , I don't find Brian Rigen or Tim Hawkins or Darren Streblow funny . I like Joe Rogan , I like Maybe some other filthy guys . I wrote , I looked up some guys like Daniel Tosh , frankie Boyle , dave Chappelle Hmm , these are the guys that somebody might say . I find that these guys are really funny . Yeah , what you want me to smile at . Well , you want me to have a good time with man . Come on , it's so bad .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , well , I would say you need to read first Corinthians 13 love does not rejoice , and unrighteousness and what these guys are talking about are unrighteous things . They're things that shouldn't even be spoken of Scripture talks about .

Ray Comfort

But some of the things they say are funny , but they're laced with filth , right , it's just like drinking a polluted drink .

Emeal Zwayne

I mean , when I was a teenager , you guys might remember Andrew Dice Clay . He was , like , known to be the filthiest of the filthiest . And then there was a guy , sam Kenneson , I think .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , he was really bad .

Emeal Zwayne

He used to be a pastor or something , I think that guy , or at least , professed Christ , was like an outspoken believer . And then he , of course and that usually happens right , it's like it gets even worse when they , when they professed Christ , and then go into the world . It's like they're making up , trying to make up for lost time or something you know .

Ray Comfort

Darren Strebler , who mentioned this , is a friend of ours , a friend of mine . I've known him for years . He's part of clean comedians , but remember we had we went to a restaurant and had lunch with him and you hear someone out in the in the kitchen dropped a whole stack of plates and he just yelled out need a hug .

Mark Spence

But he did it when it was there's absolute silence , because that caused a great commotion when the dishes fell and then , out of nowhere , the silence was broke , with Darren yelling out do you need a hug ? That's right .

Oscar Navarro

Normally , when I hear glass break at a restaurant , you guys have probably heard me say this I'll wait till that moment of silence . I go job opening .

Ray Comfort

Also when Darren I told Darren in New Zealand with me . I might have talked to him just before , but I was sitting just before we took off and I couldn't believe what he did . He had stood up , his mouth was right under the air vent and he was drinking . It Just made me laugh . He had no smile on his face , and that's he's genuinely funny . I love it .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , and so it is good to laugh . I mean I love the verses and scripture that reference laughter . I mean Proverbs 17 , 22, . A merry heart does good like medicine , and a broken spirit dries the bones . There is a kind of this medicinal feeling that you get from laughter . I mean you've always been good at this , especially with my kids , your grandkids . When they've been down or sad , you try to make them laugh .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , I thought you were going to mention the marshmallows that I used to get .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , we can't forget that that was crazy . Ray would stuff my kids .

Ray Comfort

They hurt themselves , they'd start , they'd fall down and start crying . When they were little kids , I had a big jar of these small marshmallow things that just kind of grew a handful and stuff in their hand and into their mouth .

Emeal Zwayne

It always worked , though , and just made them smile . It always worked . All my kids have diabetes now , but it worked .

Mark Spence

Rachel getting honey before she was one .

Emeal Zwayne

Poor Rachel . Oh , that's right . She had to have those caps on her teeth because they rotted out from the honey .

Ray Comfort

Ray would give her in the night and dipped pacified , shut her up because she was driving us crazy yeah .

Mark Spence

Proverbs 15, . 15 says all the days of the afflicted are evil , but the cheerful of heart has a continual feast . You know , I grown up with my brothers . There was a lot of laughter inside the house and usually it was at the expense of one of us . Whenever somebody would come inside the house during a dry moment , my brothers would say hey , mark , make her laugh , take off your shirt . They were always so quick and always so witty and no ability to be able to respond , because if you did respond you'd get beat up . Welcome to having older brothers .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , bro , your brothers . Yeah , we've done some stuff on your brothers .

Mark Spence

Says the guy who duct taped me to a street light . I can't believe you did that .

Emeal Zwayne

That was one of the most hilarious and through water balloons at me . Well , we had strangers throw water balloons at you .

Oscar Navarro

You did , don't forget that you bring up a good point , which is because the scripture also warns against scoffing and mockers , and so there is certainly verses that warns us about a kind of humor , a kind of laughter that is not godly , and we often , I think the wrong thing is to define scoff as simple mocking or jeering . But I've heard it said actually I'll just read this quote this person says that when we scoff in a sinful way , we crack a joke in order to expose disrespect . And they go on to talk about how scoffing in a way that is sinful does it at the expense of excluding another person . So it's , in other words , it's at the expense of another in a way that makes them feel excluded . Yeah , Right . That's the difference , which means you can make a joke that might be funny to one person . You know we can make a joke about Ray being short , but if we made a joke about someone else being short , maybe it would be a kind of mockery . That's not right because of the response that it gets . If it doesn't bring that person joy or camaraderie , then yeah , it's in sin .

Mark Spence

This is a great point . Yeah , that's good . At what point does humor cross the line ?

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , yeah , I think , when it's selfishly motivated . You know when it's carnal , oh , foolish justing , yeah , of course justing . When it carries with it an intent to hurt , to wound , you know when it's sexual driven , sexually driven , yeah , uncouth , potty humor , yeah , potty humor . All of that , you know , it's just , you're going outside the bounds and that's why I love these comedians , even some of them that aren't believers , who keep it clean . Yes , and they show you that you don't have to have that filled in order to laugh . It just seems like the world , the godless , worldly comedians . Their whole aim is just to be crude in order to get a laugh , and that , to me , is like that's the lowest form of wit .

Mark Spence

You know , I find it interesting Aaron Mitchell , Aaron , the actor who does our narration for a television program . He said when he was taking a class on stand up comedy , that there were two things that a comedian was not allowed to do . A promising comedian , so you would do stand up . You didn't know the people and you didn't know the topics that were coming up . So the different subjects are being thrown at you and you had to just work with it . It's called improv , right ? And so he said , the two things that you're not allowed to do as a comedian is you are not allowed not secular , mind you You're not allowed to use foul language and you're not allowed to talk about fecal matter . He's up because these were cheap laughs , cheap ways in order to get people to laugh . And if you can get somebody to laugh without using those two elements , then you're actually

Bullying, Humor, and Imperfection

Mark Spence

funny .

Oscar Navarro

I was on an improv comedy team in school and we won California State first place champions .

Mark Spence

Wait what ?

Oscar Navarro

What .

Emeal Zwayne

In high school .

Ray Comfort

Why is this the first time we're hearing about this ? I know about it . He was an improv I've always admired . Comedy sports , because that's a nightmare for most of us .

Oscar Navarro

Improv it was at first , yeah , but we had similar rules because we were in high school , so you couldn't cuss and you couldn't use foul language , and it was really helpful .

Mark Spence

So were you funny .

Oscar Navarro

I was back then Tell me a joke . I got nothing . Yeah , I think at the expense of other people is really valuable . I also think that there's just a view of things right For us . I think we poke fun at each other . I can poke fun at myself , and there's a way of doing it that's glorifying because ultimately , we have a low view of ourselves and a high view of God , and that's the reason why jokes at me don't affect me from people that I love and trust or even people that I don't Like . I have a low view of myself . I find truth and humor in the reality that I'm imperfect and going on too long and I find it glorious about God being perfect . And so I also think that humor can create a distinction between man and God .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , yeah , and I think you need to be sensitive to people . You nailed it earlier about talking about jokes we may make about Ray or about each other or whatever . We all know that we find that funny amongst ourselves and we enjoy it , but there are others that may not , so you have to learn to read the room .

Mark Spence

Okay , so this is a great , great point , right ? What do we do for the listener who says I'm the butt of everybody's joke , I'm being bullied , right ? Maybe they're in junior high or high school , and maybe even older . Maybe they're employer , Maybe they're in a situation where they are being bullied , continually ridiculed . How do they handle it ?

Emeal Zwayne

Well , I think , if it's an environment that you can control , you have to be honest with people . You know what if ? It's high school . Yeah , that's tough . I think you've got a , first of all , secure identity in Christ . Amen . Bring a knife yeah , you have to , you have to . And then you have to understand . You have to understand the world . Right , and Wait , did I miss something ? I missed it too .

Oscar Navarro

You said find your identity in Christ . And then I said bring a knife . That helps too .

Mark Spence

I saw a video on YouTube where this guy goes into an assembly setting in a secular school and he said I want you to make fun of me and watch . This is what we typically do . And he was responding back to the accusations of this girl who's going off your shirt is ugly , my shirt is ugly . What do you mean ? My shirt is ugly , this shirt rocks . He goes and you have it . You have a silly accent , my accent , no , I don't . And he starts to defend himself . And that's what people do that are on the other side of being bullied . Yeah , and so he didn't know what to do , did not respond . Everybody's laughing and he goes . Now watch . This is how you handle a bully . Maybe you're familiar with this . If not , look it up on YouTube . And so your shirt is ugly . I know they didn't make it any smaller , even he just starts rolling with the punches and laughing with the bully , and his point was a A bully cannot bully you . If you laugh with the bully now , if you roll with the punches , well , then he's gonna think that you're hilarious yourself , hmm , and then they move on to somebody else to bully , which is yeah , that's right , it's YouTube .

Ray Comfort

How do you find that ?

Mark Spence

I'll find it for you , my , uh .

Oscar Navarro

My daughter one day told me she was like for second grade is my youngest daughter . Who's hilarious ? And she's like , yeah , um , somebody called me weird at school today and I was like , oh really , what would you do ? And she goes yeah , it runs in the family . I Love that it was actually truth .

Emeal Zwayne

It's true . Yeah , I think you do that , you know . For along with remembering your identity in Christ , your acceptance in the Lord , I think that you learn to also keep at the forefront of your mind the understanding that this is what's expected from the world , in the sense that when a dog barks , you don't get shocked . When a cat meows , you don't get shocked . Right , when a Orange tree has orange blossoms on it , you don't get shocked . So you have to remember that's the way of the world . And then you have to remember who they are . They're lost , they're blind , they're dead . So you need to still be thinking as a believer , right , how can I still reach them with the gospel ? And and how do you ? I mean scripture , scary . We often forget these verses . You love your enemies , you pray for them , you do good to them . You know I love that too , mark , you learn to roll with the punches and just kind of shrug it off and laugh and say something witty and response . You know . And and then you , you talk . You talk to your parents , you talk to your good friends , you pour your heart out to God and you confess your struggle and the pain that you're feeling . And you ask him to help you and strengthen you and make you a light .

Ray Comfort

You know I have to think about you and you ask for help .

Emeal Zwayne

If it's of a , if it's of a nature abuse that is abusive , you need to get help absolutely and you need to enlist others . It can help you in that you know .

Ray Comfort

So that's important . I don't care if you ever told me anyway that YouTube channel , that YouTube title , is how to stop a bully .

Mark Spence

Rookskibs nine , nine years ago , 2.5 million views .

Oscar Navarro

I think it's important . I love what you said , like if there is a point where it becomes abusive and unhealthy , and yeah , you need it , you need to ask for help . There is . I think one of the lies that happens when we are being abused or belittled is that people tend to think I deserve this , or this happens because I am weak , I am small , whatever the case is , and that thing is not happening to you because there's something Intrinsically wrong with you . It is not your fault when you're experiencing that kind of abuse . There's not something wrong with you in that situation . There's something wrong with the person that's sinning against you . And so often that lie prevents people from going and asking for Help and getting support because they think this is on me , this is my fault , I'm confessing some sort of weakness that I have by going and getting help by . That is a lie from the devil . Yeah , and we all need help at times Especially easy you have to ask for it . That hurts my feelings .

Ray Comfort

Oh , sorry yeah roll with a punch .

Mark Spence

Ecclesiastes three , four says that there's a time to weep and a time to laugh , and a time to mourn and a time to dance .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , yeah , there is a time for that , and and let's do it .

Ray Comfort

Yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

Can you dance ? Can you guys dance ? I can't .

Mark Spence

I can't .

Ray Comfort

my wife can dance , I cannot no the only done , only done , so I can do is with the stand-alive . That's about it .

Mark Spence

And all my kids can dance . They all love the dance .

Oscar Navarro

I'm the dancer in my marriage , are you ? I do love to dance .

Emeal Zwayne

Really , oscar , can you dance Absolutely ? Wow , as he says it with humility I can do it with grace . Yeah , you can . What I don't want you .

Ray Comfort

You can dance right using the New Zealand word dance , not dance and dance oh dance .

The Power of Laughter and Joy

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , job 820 to 21 behold , god will not cast away the blameless , nor will he uphold the evildoers . He will yet fill your mouth with laughing and your lips with rejoicing . Well , was that ?

Ray Comfort

one of Job's comforts .

Emeal Zwayne

It was .

Oscar Navarro

I was just thinking like what is , what is the situation where you , you just don't want Something that you don't want to say in front of somebody and like I think a good example for us is , like you , how bald Eddie Roman is , like he's so bald .

Ray Comfort

I think he's one of the boldest preachers I know . Leave him alone .

Emeal Zwayne

Bold bald . He's listening . By the way , I'll tell you some of the the best times for Rachel and me is when we've had some point of tension between us , and Then one of us will crack a joke and gonna be , rachel wouldn't know . Typically , and we'll both just break down in the laughter and seriously , it's like instant healing .

Oscar Navarro

It's such a good tool .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , and we just realized that was why were we , you know , arguing over that or having tension over that ?

Oscar Navarro

You know , it just immediately brings reconciliation and again , it's like this medicine , it's like it's just just instant shot of , of boosting , you know , pleasure and going back to what I said earlier , because Kelly , kelly and I say that often she says it more often like humor is such an powerful tool in our marriage and what is it doing that moment ? It makes you realize how small that thing is , that you're about to make really big yeah right , yeah , so it's always laughing at me .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , I love this . In Psalm 126 , 1 to 3 , when the Lord brought back the captivity of Zion , we were like those who dream . Then our mouth was filled with laughter and our tongue was singing . Then they said among the nations the Lord has done great things for them , the Lord has done great things for us and we are glad . What scriptures that .

Ray Comfort

That's Psalm 126 1 to 3 and speaking of that , spurgeon said if anyone's mouth ought to be full of laughter , it should certainly be ours , speaking of the Oscillation between tears and laughter when it comes to God's salvation that he's crowded us .

Emeal Zwayne

I mean , again , you know that laughter is often a byproduct of being relaxed . Enjoy , yeah , being being at peace , being at ease , and all of that is Is a byproduct of knowing the Lord , you know , trusting God . I mean usually someone , typically , when they're tense , you know , and just stressed and frazzled , it's hard to get them to laugh , you know , because they're just so wound up . But but when you're in that relaxed , at ease mode , you're open to that and and it just it's that kind of gift that keeps on giving and so we need to keep our focus where it should be on .

Ray Comfort

I've mentioned it before , but it's it's applicable at the moment . I remember when came out of a vet veterinarian where a dog had been put down our dog he put down , but a mother and a daughter , and she wasn't a 30s . The daughter came out just absolutely destroyed because they're their dog had been put down . It was a big dog which is harder to put down than a little dog . Anyway , okay , the million dollar bill . As they came out blubbing their eyes out , I said this will help you pay the bill and they both burst out laughing and when walking down the sidewalk , Still laughing you know we used to have a gospel track called Matt as hell .

Mark Spence

That's right and there was a bad road rage scenario that that I had witnessed and this guy pulls up to the gas station and he's yelling and he's cussing at this guy that had Cut him off or something . And I went up to him and I had that gospel track Matt is how and I go . You look like you could Really use this . I didn't know what to do . I was just bracing myself and he looked at it and just started laughing . You know I had it . Yeah , Matt is hell .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , gospel track . And you know it's interesting , isn't it that at funerals , typically at the wake or even at the funeral , people will get up and start sharing memories and people start laughing . Yeah , and you would think , wait , this is a funeral . Why are you laughing ? You know , and I grew up in in the Catholic context where you didn't do that . I mean , at funerals , everyone is in black , black .

Mark Spence

Is that a Lebanese culture thing ? It's an .

Emeal Zwayne

Arab culture thing , everyone's in black . I mean , you know it goes back to this a mediculture they would hire more right , yeah , it was a demonstration of this is you know trap . But but for the believer especially , I mean it's healing as people are mourning and weeping it . There's those moments of laughter as you're remembering the person and God uses it to give you that sense of comfort and my Funeral is gonna be hilarious with you heating it up . Oh , I can't wait .

Mark Spence

Got all the jokes like we're gonna die first and raise . Gonna have to tell jokes .

Ray Comfort

I know I'll just put pictures of you guys up .

Emeal Zwayne

That'll do it . I love Luke 621 . This is Jesus . Bless it Are you who hunger now , for you shall be filled . Blessed are you who weep now , for you shall laugh .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , and in his presence is fullness of joy .

Emeal Zwayne

Amen at his right hand , pleasures evermore . And you know this is kind of cool even that it's mentioned . You know we often talk about the , the godly , virtuous woman of Proverbs 31 , 21 , proverbs 31 , 25 . Strength and dignity are her clothing and she laughs at time to come . There's this joy about her , you know she's she's full of , of Laughter , she considers a future because she's at peace and every every anniversary my wife and I , like we ask what are our strengths and weaknesses and anniversary last year .

Oscar Navarro

I said what are our strengths ? And she said laughter . And I said what are our weaknesses ? She said hand-to-hand combat .

Emeal Zwayne

And you know it's interesting when you think about you know Abraham and Sarah and the promise that God gave them that they were gonna have a son , and you remember Sarah laughed and it was not the right kind of laughter , right , and you know , and she's like I did and he's like no , but you did laugh right there . It's a funny little discourse .

Ray Comfort

It is , I love it .

Emeal Zwayne

No , it didn't just no , didn't , yeah . But then she has Isaac , right , and I love what it says in 21 , 6 of Genesis . It says and Sarah said God has made me laugh , yeah , and all who here will laugh with me . You know , like that came to that point where now it became righteous laughter , like Joyous laughter , like Lord you did it . Isaac means laughter , yeah , and Isaac means laughter I sick .

Oscar Navarro

I'm gonna go back to laughter . What you brought up earlier and what you kind of touched on , which is the idea that because maybe there's a new believer here listening , that is like has that ? Wow , you know , like I , I do still find these comedians Funny that maybe I shouldn't be fine funny . I'm reminded of Romans , which says do not conform to the patterns of this world , but be Transformed by the renewing of your mind . And it goes on to say so that you can attest . Maybe right now you have not been able to attest yet , because there's still more transformative work to happen in your mind and the only way that happens is by saturating your mind with God's words surrounding yourselves , with the community of believers , so that your Flavor palette of humor will be changed , so that your mind will be transformed , so that you can be able to enjoy Godly humor and begin to attest to , to the tasteless , ungodly humor that you have now , not much different than when , like my kids , kids just don't have the same robust flavor palette as most adults . Besides , easy , right there , flavor palette hasn't developed yet . But when you get older , your flavor palette develops and you can take . You're not just wanting the sweet , you want the savory . You want it All in that same way as believers . We need to develop that flavor palette . We need our , our minds to be transformed , to be more like Christ .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah there's something sweet about righteous laughter , and especially when it's among People that you know and that's really a whole part of community . I mean humor oftentimes comes with Familiarity . I mean we have so many inside jokes between us all here because we've known each other for so long and we can just too long we can say a word right , or give an expression or , and immediately we start laughing because it triggers all of that , and so I like that , oscar . Community enhances laughter , and then becoming accustomed to the righteous Attributes that should be longed us as believers through the word and living them out will also enhance appreciating righteous laughter . So one final thing here and we'll wrap up . But I talked about earlier that the short-term effects of laughter . Here are the long-term effects . You improve your immune system , you relieve pain , you increase personal satisfaction and you improve your mood , and these things can carry over into long-term impact through being a people of laughter . All right , friends , there you have it . We hope to keep you laughing through the years . So please , let us help you . Email us at podcast of living waters , calm . Let us know how we can do interesting podcasts and oh , ray , comfort brought me a stack of things , ray , I can't believe I didn't think about these when I was thinking about what to uh tell our friends to get a hold of today . 101 things dogs do to annoy their owners . 101 things husbands do to annoy their wives . 101 of the dumbest things people have done . And don't forget our . Is it upside down ? Oh , the skydivers upside down ? 101 of the world's funniest one-liner Tracked . You got to get those friends . And don't forget , god has a wonderful plan for your life . That's it there , you have it . Thank you for joining us . Well , raise , anxious to get out of here . Oh yeah , hey , zay Linco .

Ray Comfort

Linda's here and there's lunch and I'm hungry .

Emeal Zwayne

Dead chicken Is it dead chicken ? Yes , it's dead chicken . Thank you For joining us , friends . Oh , and all that stuff at living waters calm , don't forget my face of the murder than all that other stuff . Thank you for joining us . We'll see you here next time on the Living Waters podcast . The ultimate cure For insomnia .