

      <h2 id="ethical-dilemmas-and-superhero-nostalgia"><a class="no-underline" href="#ethical-dilemmas-and-superhero-nostalgia">Ethical Dilemmas and Superhero Nostalgia</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>1:05</time>
      <p>
          I   would   say   that   this   is   a   place   to   be   really   cautious ,   absolutely ,   and   that   I   think   that   the   circumstances   are   very ,   very   rare ,   few   and   far   between ,   where   not   speaking   the   truth   as   it   is   is   acceptable ,   and   I   think   it   would   be   in   those   rare   circumstances   and   again ,   maybe   I&#39;m   wrong ,   but   that   has   been   my   and   as   we&#39;ve   talked   about   it ,   someone&#39;s   coming   in .   They   want   to   rape   your   wife ,   tell   us   where   she   is   or   where   is   she ,   or   whatever   A   situation   where   the   only   way   you&#39;re   going   to   save   your   wife   is   by   not   telling   them   the   truth   or   by   intentionally   misleading   them   or   rebuking   them .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>1:43</time>
      <p>
          Once   again ,   I   don&#39;t   see   why   I   need   to   play   by   the   rules   of   the   people   that   come   inside   the   house .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>1:48</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   you   don&#39;t   need   to .   But   I   think   there   could   be   certain   circumstances   where   they&#39;re   just   going   to   know   by   you   not   giving   them   an   answer   or   whatever ,   and   where   we   would   have   to   be   misleading   in   order   to   save   someone .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>1:58</time>
      <p>
          Or   if   you   say   to   the   Nazis ,   it   depends   on   what   your   definition   of   a   Jew   is .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:03</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   and   so   I   think   I   mean   I   personally   lean   toward   the   Lord   would   not   attribute   that   to   you   as   a   lie ,   in   the   same   way   that   he   wouldn&#39;t   attribute   murder   to   you   as   you   take   the   life   of   another   person   who&#39;s   trying   to   kill   your   family   member ,   you   know ,   in   self-defense .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>2:22</time>
      <p>
          See ,   the   only   danger   that   I   see   with   that   perhaps   easy   is   we&#39;re   moving   the   goalpost .   Perhaps   and   I   throw   in   the   word   perhaps   right ,   because   then   it   becomes   subjective   and   up   to   each   individual   to   decide .   Well ,   I&#39;m   trying   to   protect   right ,   that   is   what   I&#39;m   attempting   to   do .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:41</time>
      <p>
          Welcome   to   the   Living   Waters   podcast   segment   called   Name   that   Tune ,   where   a   highly   competent   musical   genius ,   arab ,   hums   a   tune   and   his   underprivileged   non-Arab   co-hosts   have   to   name   that   tune .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>2:56</time>
      <p>
          Have   you   ever   told   a   lie ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:00</time>
      <p>
          No .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:02</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   not   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:06</time>
      <p>
          Come   on ,   mark ,   at   least   Mark ,   the   greatest   American   hum .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:09</time>
      <p>
          Yes .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:10</time>
      <p>
          Mark   Spence .   He   named   that   tune .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:12</time>
      <p>
          That   was   a   dumb   program ,   but   fun .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:14</time>
      <p>
          Okay ,   rachel   and   I   were   looking   at   it   last   night   Is   that   the   one   where   the   guy   flew   and   spanned   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:18</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   he   hits   things   when   he   flies .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:21</time>
      <p>
          He&#39;s   just   not   very   good   at   things .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:22</time>
      <p>
          Seriously ,   last   night   I   was   watching   the   opening   for   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:26</time>
      <p>
          Did   you   identify   with   it ?   I   identified   you   with   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:30</time>
      <p>
          I   thought   if   Ray   was   a   superhero   he   would   be   the   greatest   American   hero   Smash   through   wolves .   Isn&#39;t   it   funny   how   the   70s   superheroes   were   all   scrawny   and   slightly   out   of   shape .   Oh ,   it   was   hilarious .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:41</time>
      <p>
          The   whole   premise   was   I   think   this   guy   encountered   aliens   or   something   and   they   gave   him   the   suit   that   made   him   a   superhero .   But   he   was   clumsy   and   he&#39;d   always   run   into   walls   and   he   couldn&#39;t .   Do   you   guys   remember   Flash ?   Oh ,   that   was   a   comedy .   That&#39;s   Ray&#39;s   life ,   do   you   remember ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:58</time>
      <p>
          Flash .   The   movie   Flash   Gordon .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:00</time>
      <p>
          No ,   I   remember   the   original   Flash   1853? .   What   was   he ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:06</time>
      <p>
          He&#39;s   a   guy   that   goes   fast   everywhere ,   was   he   no ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:08</time>
      <p>
          That   was   Roger .   That   was   Roger   Moving   on ,   queen   did   the   score .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:15</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   anyways ,   that&#39;s   great   Were   you   guys   in   the   superheroes   growing   up .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:22</time>
      <p>
          I   liked   Batman .   I   was   like   a   Batman .   Batman   the   animated   series   guy .   I   remember   being   I   don&#39;t   know   really   little   in   going   seeing   Batman   Returns   in   theaters .   We   stood   in   the   line   for   a   really   long   time .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:34</time>
      <p>
          So   I   was   a   big   Batman   fan ,   mark ,   at   what   age   did   you   stop   dressing   as   Wonder   Woman ?  
      </p>

      <h2 id="childhood-superheroes-and-phone-etiquette"><a class="no-underline" href="#childhood-superheroes-and-phone-etiquette">Childhood Superheroes and Phone Etiquette</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:45</time>
      <p>
          You   know   who   I   loved   as   a   kid   superhero   Mighty   Mouse ,   oh   really .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:49</time>
      <p>
          Is   that   why   you   fell   in   love   with   Ray ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:51</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   mean   you&#39;d   think ,   right ,   like   I   mean   Superman ,   batman ,   spider-man .   No ,   mighty   Mouse .   Mighty   Mouse   will   save   the   day .   You   remember   Mighty   Mouse   guys ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:02</time>
      <p>
          I   remember   the   cartoon .   You   remember   Mighty   Mouse ?   Yes ,   of   course   it&#39;s   like   from   1953   sort   of   thing .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:08</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   way   back .   Well ,   mine   was   more   of   the   modern   version .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>5:09</time>
      <p>
          One   of   the   greatest   UFC   fighters   of   all   time   is   known   as   Mighty   Mouse .   Really ,   really ,   demetrius   Johnson .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:15</time>
      <p>
          He&#39;s   called   Mighty   Mouse .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>5:16</time>
      <p>
          He&#39;s   like   135   pounds ,   so   can   wet .   He&#39;s   absolutely   amazing .   He   was   in   a   fight   with   a   guy .   He   jumped   up   and   in   the   air   he   put   the   gun   in   an   arm   bar   and   got   him   to   submit .   By   the   time   they   hit   the   ground   In   the   air ,   yeah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:28</time>
      <p>
          I   taught   him   that .   Well ,   it&#39;s   good .   Speedy   Gonzalez ,   yeah ,   ray ,   what   superheroes   are   around   when   you&#39;re   a   kid ?   Superman ,   sheet   man .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:38</time>
      <p>
          Batman ,   maxwell   Smart .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>5:41</time>
      <p>
          Electric   eel   boy   Maxwell   Smart .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:42</time>
      <p>
          Oh   nice ,   99, .   Hand   me   the   sho-found .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:48</time>
      <p>
          Ray ,   you   would   have   been   a   good   Maxwell   Smart .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:51</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   he   seemed   normal   to   me ,   yeah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:53</time>
      <p>
          Who&#39;s   Maxwell   Smart ?   Oh ,   stop   it .   The   cone   of   silence .   The   cone   of   silence .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:57</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   they   would   come   down   from   the   roof   where   he   talked   with   his   boss ,   and   his   boss   could   never   hear   what   he   was   saying   in   the   cone   of   silence   and   they&#39;d   have   to   yell   at   each   other   so   everyone   in   the   office   could   hear   what   they   were   yelling   about   in   the   cone   of   silence .   It   was   very   funny .   It   was   quite   corny ,   but   it   was   funny .   A   black   and   white   on   the   old   telly   no ,   it   was   color ,   oh .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:12</time>
      <p>
          But   it   was   just   unusual ,   yeah .   It   was   really   funny .   He   was   like   an   agent ,   a   doofus ,   but   he   was   a   doofus   agent ,   you   know   he&#39;s   been .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:20</time>
      <p>
          He&#39;s   like   Colombo ,   like   that   kind   of   Colombo   was   just ,   he   was   brilliant   but   he   was   just   scruffy .   Yeah ,   Just   wore   a   scruffy   old   coat .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:26</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   but   you   know ,   I   wonder ,   at   what   point   do   television   executives   come   to   realize   like   there&#39;s   something   about   this   sort   of   theme   or   dynamic ,   that   something   in   the   human   heart   resonates   with   it ,   and   there   is   that   like   someone   who&#39;s   in   a   position   that&#39;s   supposed   to   be   important ,   but   they&#39;re   just   a   klutz ?   Yeah ,   you   know   like   three   Stooges .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:47</time>
      <p>
          They&#39;re   just   like   you   know ,   I&#39;m   not   a   political   program .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:50</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   not   a   political   program ,   I&#39;m   friends ,   but   you   know   what   I&#39;m   saying .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:55</time>
      <p>
          Like   there   aren&#39;t ,   there   are   things   Now .   When   your   kids   used   to   watch   the   three   Stooges ,   what   did   you   continually   say   to ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:00</time>
      <p>
          them   Wrong ,   that&#39;s   wrong .   Don&#39;t   do   that   to   each   other .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>7:03</time>
      <p>
          They&#39;re   hitting   his   head   with   a   hammer   Wrong .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:06</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   seriously ,   I   mean ,   you   got   little   kids   and   they   emulate   everything ,   and   so   I&#39;m   thinking   they   might   think   this   is   okay   to   poke   each   other   in   the   eyes   and   do   all   this   stuff .   Wrong ,   oh   wrong .   I   have   this   thing   I   do   when   my   kids   do   something   wrong .   Mark   knows   the   sound .   His   kids   do   it ,   bah ,   bah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:26</time>
      <p>
          There&#39;s   something   about   that ,   is   that   your   response ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:28</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   like   when   they   were ,   especially   when   they   were   young ,   like   I   think   my   mom   did   it .   Well ,   I   know   my   mom   did   it ,   so   I   just   like   someone&#39;s   doing   something   like   Bah ,   is   it   kind   of   like   from   sheepdogs ?   It&#39;s   like   watch   it ?   Yeah ,   exactly ,   is   that   what   it   means ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:41</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   Bah   Bah ,   my   whole   life   is   bah ,   bah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:49</time>
      <p>
          Isn&#39;t   it   a   helpful   sound   though ?   Yeah ,   it   sounds   like   a   sheep .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>7:51</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   my   daughter   was   walking   along   with   her   before   they   actually   became   an   official   thing .   I   don&#39;t   know ,   maybe   they   were   a   boyfriend ,   girlfriend   and   what ,   but   he   went   to   hold   her   hand   and   as   soon   as   he   went   to   hold   her   hand   I   went   Bah ,   I   want   to   know   if   the   Wayne   kids   get   triggered   when   they&#39;re   walking   by   sheep .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>8:08</time>
      <p>
          Oh   no ,   I&#39;m   sorry .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>8:12</time>
      <p>
          No ,   you   know   what   drives   my   kids   crazy .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>8:13</time>
      <p>
          You   do .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>8:14</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   going   to   be   watching   something .   One   time   we   were   in   a   movie   or   something .   It   was   a   clean   movie ,   but   someone   said   a   rude   remark .   I   go ,   bah ,   in   the   theater ,   I   drive   them   crazy .   Shhh ,   embarrass   our   children   for   fun .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>8:29</time>
      <p>
          All   right ,   friends ,   we   have   a   comment   I   think   you&#39;re   making   a   lot   of   money   by   making   fast   foods   and   silent   crinkle   paper   in   movies .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>8:38</time>
      <p>
          Seriously   man .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>8:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   something   brings   in   some   chips   Silent   chips   and   the   paper   is   just   so   noisy .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>8:45</time>
      <p>
          You   know   what ?   I&#39;ve   heard   people   answer   their   cell   phone   in   the   theater .   Let   me   ask   you   this   what   is   it   with   people   who ,   seriously ,   it&#39;s   like   a ,   it&#39;s   some   sort   of   mental   disorder   when   their   phone ,   when   their   phone   hits   their   ear ,   they&#39;re   convinced   no   one   else   is   around ,   no   one   else   can   hear   them .   A   disconnect   from   reality ,   seriously .   Oh   yeah ,   brah ,   and   they   start   talking   about   personal   things ,   they   start   cussing ,   they   start   it&#39;s   weird .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:11</time>
      <p>
          What   church   is   this ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:12</time>
      <p>
          The   church   of   the   phonyites .   Yeah ,   oh ,   that   was   a   good   name .   Phone ,   yeah ,   all   right ,   friends ,   here&#39;s   a   comment .   This   is   from   fun   nickname   Blah .   Such   a   blessing .   This   podcast   has   answered   my   prayers   and   then   some .   It&#39;s   like   having   a   men&#39;s   meeting ,   but   I   get   to   sit   in   on   four   or   five   a   day .   It   has   helped   me   witness   to   people .   It   has   helped   me   stay   on   the   path .   It   has   helped   me   contribute   to   Sunday   school   classes   and   our   own   men&#39;s   group .   When   one   of   our   guys   is   struggling   and   asking   for   prayer ,   not   only   do   I   pray ,   but   I   can   pretty   much   find   an   episode   that   relates   to   the   struggles   and   send   it   to   him   for   encouragement .   Wow ,   and   that   moves   me .   Thank   you   so   much   for .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:54</time>
      <p>
          Thank   you ,   move   then .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:56</time>
      <p>
          Moves   me   out   of   here .   This   was   fun   nickname ,   blah .   Thanks   Blah ,   thank   you ,   blah   Leave .   Yeah   Well ,   you   remember   that   right .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:08</time>
      <p>
          Tell   the   people .   Well ,   when   we   were   preaching ,   opening   outside   the   courts   for   two   years ,   when   people   couldn&#39;t   get   away   and   say   you&#39;ve   got   a   court   case   coming   pleading   for   mercy ,   and   then   we   say   there&#39;s   another   court   case   you   have   to   face   on   Judgement   Day ,   but   one   guy   when   I   was   speaking   just   started   saying   you   do   it   easy .   He   was   saying   leave ,   but   he   sounded   like   a   cow   that&#39;s   ready   to   be   milked ,   I   know .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>10:36</time>
      <p>
          I   think   you   ended   up   pointing   it   out ,   I   think   I   said   you   sound   like   a   cow   that   needs   to   be   milked .   Was   he   in   line   just   saying   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:43</time>
      <p>
          He   was   in   line   Like   repeatedly .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:46</time>
      <p>
          There   was   about   60   people   every   morning   40   to   60   people   Mark   used   to   come   to   and   every   morning   for   two   years   during   the   week   we   would   preach   the   gospel   to   a   crowd   that   couldn&#39;t   get   away ,   but   we   gave   them   gifts   and   all   sorts   of   things   and   people   were   really   nice .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:03</time>
      <p>
          There   were   times   we   got   applause .   Yes ,   seriously ,   yeah ,   that&#39;s   from   our   family ,   but   for   each   other .   But   we   should   have   planted   some   of   our   staff   members   in   that   crowd   every   day .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:12</time>
      <p>
          No ,   we   could   never   think   of   that .   To   clap   and   we&#39;re   talking   about   lying   in   this   episode .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:19</time>
      <p>
          But   instead   of   leave ,   I   should   have   really   been   saying   move .   That   would   have   been   more   fitting   for   a   camp .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>11:25</time>
      <p>
          I   like   that   that   move   was   like   a   full   body .   Did   you   like   that ?   You   were   fully   in   that ,   I   do   everything ,   100% ,   oscar .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:33</time>
      <p>
          All   right ,   friends ,   this   podcast   was   brought   to   you   by   undeniable   evidence .   10   of   the   top   scientific   facts   in   the   Bible   Ray .   Do   you   remember   you   wrote   that   book ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:43</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   I   could   never   forget .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:47</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   friends ,   this   will   help   you   find   out   what   the   top   10   scientific   facts   are   in   the   Bible .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>11:53</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   a   pretty   short   book   too ,   if   I   remember   it   Like   Like   the   author .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>11:58</time>
      <p>
          Of   course   we   like   the   author .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:59</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   don&#39;t   forget ,   friends ,   the   Living   Waters   mug .   It   will   help   you   drink   all   sorts   of   things .   Oscar ,   you   haven&#39;t   done   anything   to   my   face   yet   on   that ,   this   is   actually   five   months .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>12:09</time>
      <p>
          No ,   you   did ,   you   gave   me   a   missing   tooth .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>12:12</time>
      <p>
          I   like   it   Ray   what   else   can   you   do   to   Ray ?   What   about   yourself ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:17</time>
      <p>
          You&#39;re   talking   about   perfection .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>12:18</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   what   you&#39;re   talking   about .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>12:19</time>
      <p>
          I   like   that   in   the   last   episode ,   in   the   middle   of   the   episode ,   Mark   notices   here&#39;s   a   four   mugs   and   one .   Yeah ,   on   the   side ,   that&#39;s   right   For   those   who   can&#39;t   see ,   and   what   we&#39;re   referring   to   is   we   all   each   the   four   of   us   have   the   Living   Waters   mugs   that   we&#39;re   drinking   waters   out   of ,   and   Lyne   is   customized .   Ez   is   missing   a   tooth .   Foo   man   2   Mustache   yeah ,   mark&#39;s   got   a   handlebar   mustache   with   some   sideburns .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>12:46</time>
      <p>
          Seriously ,   we&#39;re   actually   drinking   Living   Waters ,   yeah ,   and   if   you   call   up   soon ,   you&#39;ll   get   some   too .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>12:52</time>
      <p>
          But   wait ,   there&#39;s   more .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   you   know   what ,   though ?   Seriously ,   we   should   do   a   contest   where   we   give   out ,   like   pre-evidence ,   vibrational   for   anyone   who   sends   us   the   best   picture   with   their   mug   Customized   mugs ,   we&#39;ll   do   something   funky   with   the   mug .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>13:05</time>
      <p>
          I   want   the   best   customized   mug .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:07</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   doing   something   funky   with   the   mug ,   like   being   on   top   of   Mount   Everest   and   thinking   from   it .   Can   you   imagine   yeah   To   send   us   a   picture   of   you   doing   something   unusual   with   the   mug   and   we&#39;ll   send   you   a   free   evidence   file .   We   should   do   it ,   yeah   we   need   to   do   that .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:20</time>
      <p>
          No   we   will   do   it .   Okay ,   we&#39;re   doing   it   right   now .   A   contest   birth   on   the   spot ,   the   birthing   pains .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>13:29</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   what   about   a   contest   for   those   graphic   artists   out   there   who   want   to   design   a   mug   for   the   Living   Waters   podcast ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:36</time>
      <p>
          So   this   too   what   about   a   bring   your ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>13:38</time>
      <p>
          mug   to   work   day .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:40</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   now   dissipated   to   three .   All   right ,   we&#39;ll   do   it   with   one .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>13:43</time>
      <p>
          All   right ,   all   right ,   what   is   it ?   All   right ,   let&#39;s   go   right   now .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:45</time>
      <p>
          Whoever   sends   us   the   best   picture   of   doing   something   funny   with   our   mug ,   we&#39;ll   send   you   so   funny .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:52</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   like   feeding   a   cow   with   the   mug   or   something   like   that .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:55</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   just   something   funky   out   of   the   box .   You   figure   it   out ,   friends .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>13:58</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   presenting   one   to   the   President   of   the   United   States   would   be   good .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:01</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   okay ,   and   maybe   we&#39;ll   repeat   this   again .   You   can ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>14:04</time>
      <p>
          draw   on   your   mugs ,   like   I   did   to   mine .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:06</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   yeah ,   that&#39;s   not   funny .   So   where   do   they   send   this ?   They ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>14:09</time>
      <p>
          post   it   online .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>14:11</time>
      <p>
          No ,   no ,   no .   They   post   it   online   with   the   hashtag   LWMugs .   Okay .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:17</time>
      <p>
          Hashtag   LWMugs   and   then   also   send   it   to   our .   How   would   we   know   that   they   posted   it   Well ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>14:21</time>
      <p>
          because   we   just   look   up   the   hashtag .   So   Twitter ,   instagram ,   facebook   use   the   hashtag   LWMugs   and   we   can   search   up   the   hashtag   and   okay .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>14:29</time>
      <p>
          I   like   how   this   is   happening   right   here .   Can   you   search   up   the   hashtags ?   Yeah ,   so   you&#39;ll   find   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>14:35</time>
      <p>
          As   long   as   you   use   the   hashtag   LWMugs   with   an   S   yeah .   So   when   is   this   contest   end ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:42</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   know .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>14:42</time>
      <p>
          When   the   trumpet   sounds .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:43</time>
      <p>
          Send   it   in ,   and   maybe   we&#39;ll   do   it   again   and   again .   Yes ,   we&#39;ll   send   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>14:47</time>
      <p>
          I   find   it   exciting .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:47</time>
      <p>
          There   you   go ,   friends .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>14:49</time>
      <p>
          Will   there   be   multiple   evidence ,   bibles   that   could   perhaps   be   sent   out ,   or   is   it   just ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>14:54</time>
      <p>
          the   best   one ,   the   best   one   first   and   works .   We&#39;ll   keep   doing   it .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:56</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   good   idea ,   ray .   There   you   have   it ,   friends ,   don&#39;t   forget   the   hashtag .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>15:00</time>
      <p>
          But   why   evidence   bibles ?   Why   don&#39;t   we   do   the   evidence ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:02</time>
      <p>
          study .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>15:02</time>
      <p>
          Bible .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>15:03</time>
      <p>
          And   if   you   don&#39;t   have   a   mug   yet ,   you   can   get   one   at .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:05</time>
      <p>
          LivingWaterscom .   There   you   go ,   and   don&#39;t   forget   friends .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:08</time>
      <p>
          Why   don&#39;t   we   have   a   committee   meeting ?   I   think   the   door   should   be   blue .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>15:11</time>
      <p>
          The   door   should   be   blue .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>15:12</time>
      <p>
          See   that .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:13</time>
      <p>
          Decisions   on   the   spot .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>15:14</time>
      <p>
          I   like   that .   This   is   how   we   make   all   of   our   decisions .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:17</time>
      <p>
          All   right ,   friends ,   don&#39;t   forget   to   have   an   study   Bible   all   at   LivingWaterscom .   All   right .   Today   we   are   talking   about   what   exactly   does   it   mean   to   lie ,   to   not   tell   the   truth ?   Why   is   it ,   guys ,   seriously ,   why   is   it   Muck ,   just   finish   the   program .   But   why   is   it   that   of   all   things ,   why   is   it   that   we   give   sins   like   these   titles   to   make   them   nicer ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:42</time>
      <p>
          Why   is   it ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:44</time>
      <p>
          Why   is   it   we   go   into   like   sizes   and   colors ?   Little   white   lie .   Little   truth ,   half   truth ,   just   a   small   dishonesty ,   just   slightly   deceptive .   Just   skewed   the   truth   a   bit .   Tiny   lie ,   yeah ,   teeny   tiny .   But   yeah ,   Mark ,   you   breathed .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>16:05</time>
      <p>
          You&#39;re   on   good   sign .   I   just   remember ,   with   the   whole   debacle   with   Monica   Lewinsky   and   Bill   Clinton ,   when   he   said   I   it   depends   how   you   define .   What   the   definition ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>16:15</time>
      <p>
          of   the   word   is   Is .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>16:16</time>
      <p>
          Right ,   it&#39;s   just   like ,   wow ,   we&#39;ve   just   become   I   think   we&#39;ve   all   gotten   our   doctorate&#39;s   degree   and   being   deceptive ,   right ,   and   it   takes   Christ   to   make   that   right .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>16:26</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   lying   comes   naturally ,   doesn&#39;t   it ?   I   mean ,   kids   lie   right   from   the   time   they   can   talk .   I   once   saw   a   great   quote   that   taking   the   easy   path   is   what   makes   men   and   rivers   crooked .   And   that&#39;s   what   lying   is   about   taking   the   easy   path .   You   don&#39;t   wanna   face   the   truth ,  
      </p>

      <h2 id="lying-and-honesty-in-parenting"><a class="no-underline" href="#lying-and-honesty-in-parenting">Lying and Honesty in Parenting</a></h2>


        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>16:43</time>
      <p>
          so   you   lie .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>16:43</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   well ,   you   guys   noticed   lately   in   the   whole   psychobabble   world   with   parenting .   By   the   way ,   friends ,   don&#39;t   get   your   parenting   cues   from   these   new   social   gurus   that   don&#39;t   know   anything   about   parenting ,   because   it&#39;s   not   based   on   the   foundation   of   God&#39;s   word .   But   their   whole   shtick   is   oh   no ,   your   kids   are   doing   this   for   a   reason   and   it&#39;s   okay .   Let   them   do   it ,   and   what&#39;s   up   with   that ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>17:07</time>
      <p>
          Not   because   they&#39;re   under-generated .   Some   of   the   devil .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>17:10</time>
      <p>
          What&#39;s   that ?   Let   them   lie ,   yeah ,   like   it&#39;s   okay   for   your   kids   to   lie .   It&#39;s   just   a   part   of   their   psychological   development   and   they&#39;re   really   trying   to   do   this   or   that   or   the   other .   Again ,   I&#39;m   not   negating   that   we   work   through   things   with   our   kids ,   but   it&#39;s   like ,   basically ,   you&#39;re   grooming   your   child   to   be   a   deceitful   yeah ,   a   compulsive   liar .   Now ,   there   are   people   that   do   have ,   like   some   more   than   others ,   a   compulsion   to   constantly   make   up   stories .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>17:36</time>
      <p>
          I   can&#39;t   stand   lying .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>17:39</time>
      <p>
          Then   lie   sitting .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>17:41</time>
      <p>
          I   can&#39;t   lie   standing .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>17:43</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   compulsive   liars .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>17:45</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>17:46</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;ve   known   one   or   two .   I&#39;ve   known   at   least   two .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>17:49</time>
      <p>
          Really   Define   them ,   Oscar .   What   is   a   compulsive ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>17:52</time>
      <p>
          liar .   Well ,   I   don&#39;t   have   an   official   definition   memorized ,   but   how   I   would   describe   it   one   particular   person   is   that   they   would   compulsively   lie ,   for   no   personal   gain ,   for   no   reason   whatsoever ,   about   the   most   obscure   and   weird   things ,   and   also   their   lies   would   they   would   repeat   lies   that   weren&#39;t   well   thought   out .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>18:19</time>
      <p>
          So   they   would   alter   them   the   next   time   around .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>18:21</time>
      <p>
          They   would   alter   them ,   they   would   and   again ,   they&#39;re   not   well   thought   out .   There&#39;s   no   personal   gain .   It   was   just   like   I   don&#39;t   know   where   it   came   from ,   but   I   used   to   work   with   somebody   and   I   knew   somebody   that   were   compulsive   liars   and   it   was   like   so   actually ,   yeah ,   yeah ,   so   anyway ,   it   was   so   fascinating .   I   remember   this   one   time .   So   this   friend   of   mine   in   high   school   I   was   hanging   out   at   his   house ,   like   on   a   Tuesday   night ,   let&#39;s   say ,   and   it&#39;s   like   eight   PM .   I   go   home ,   I   go   to   bed ,   I   wake   up   the   next   morning   and   he   was   an   interesting   guy .   Every   now   and   then   he   would   go   to   school   wearing   a   suit ,   like   a   two-piece   suit .   And   so   he   shows   up   to   school   the   next   day   wearing   a   two-piece   suit   and   I&#39;m   standing   right   next   to   him   and   someone&#39;s   like   oh ,   what   are   you   wearing   the   suit   for ?   And   he&#39;s   like   oh   well ,   I   was   in   this   massive   karate   tournament   in   San   Francisco   last   night   and   I   just   got   home   this   morning   and   didn&#39;t   have   the   time   to   change ,   so   I   came   right   to   school   and   I&#39;m   like   I   look   over   at   him   and   he   kinda   like   looks   at   me   and   like   looks   back   to   the   guy   and   I   was   like   what ?   Like   it&#39;s   just   so   random ,   you   know .   But   anyways ,   I   would   say   compulsive   life   is   the   inability   to   prevent   yourself   from   lying ,   and   for   no   personal ,   gain .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>19:27</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   dennis   Eastman   and   I ,   we   had   a   friend   from   the   college   group   when ,   where   we   had   gotten   saved   and   there   was   a   guy   who   you   knew   he   was   lying   because   his   lips   were   moving .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>19:37</time>
      <p>
          And   it   didn&#39;t   matter   who   was   this .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>19:40</time>
      <p>
          This   was   at   the   church   that   you   currently   attend   now   at   Crosspoint ,   but   I   forget   my   question .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>19:45</time>
      <p>
          What   was   the   pastor&#39;s   name ?   Bruce   Garter .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>19:48</time>
      <p>
          And   it   was   just   a   gentleman   that   was   inside   the   college   group ,   but   he   would   come   up   with   the   craziest ,   craziest   stories ,   so   much   so   that   we   now   use   his   name   as   an   advert ,   like   where   we&#39;d   say   hey .   Or   an   advert   we&#39;d   say   hey ,   don&#39;t   wreck   it ,   I&#39;m   gonna   wreck   Is   this   true .   Mark ,   what&#39;s   that ?   This   is   true ,   this   is   true ,   this   is   true ,   you&#39;re   lying   Mark .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>20:09</time>
      <p>
          But   Mark ,   was   it   the   kind   of   guy   that   everyone   knew   that   he   was   lying ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>20:13</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   because   they   were   so   outlandish .   The   stories   are   so   outlandish   it   you   know   it&#39;s   funny   because   the   first   sermon   I   ever   taught   was   to   the   college   group   and   Dennis   Eastman   still   makes   fun   of   me   to   this   day   because   of   what   I   did .   It   was   a   message   online   and   I   went   on   for   about   10   minutes   of   a   story   and   the   whole   story   was   made   up .   It   was   just   a   big   lie .   I   didn&#39;t   know   how   to   teach   my   homo-elitics   was .   It   was   terrible   and   when   I   was   all   done   I   said   that   was   a   lie .   So   we&#39;re   gonna   be   talking   about   lying   today .   Everybody&#39;s   just   kind   of   looking   at   each   other   like   wait ,   what ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>20:45</time>
      <p>
          is   going   on .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>20:47</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   what   happens   when   you   give   somebody   a   microphone   like   a   month   old .   In   the   Lord ,   yeah   not   a   good   idea .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>20:51</time>
      <p>
          You   know ,   ray ,   one   of   the   things   we   commonly   ask   people   on   the   streets   and   we   didn&#39;t   used   to ,   and   then   someone   said   you   should   ask   it   like   this ,   and   it   really   changed   everything .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:00</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   there   was   Anna   Jackson .   She   just   changed   everything   for   me   with   that   one   change .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>21:03</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it   used   to   be .   You   know ,   have   you   ever   to   lie ?   And   then   it   was   changed   to   how   many   lies   have   you   told ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:08</time>
      <p>
          That   ruined   your   little   ditty   about   fries .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>21:11</time>
      <p>
          I   know ,   have   you   ever   sold   the   fry ?   Yeah ,   but ,   Ray ,   we   get   a   common   response   to   that   from   people .   It&#39;s   almost   like   this   oh ,   you   know ,   like   so   many ,   right ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:25</time>
      <p>
          I   mean ,   isn&#39;t   that   typical ,   Absolutely   absolutely   All   the   time   you   know   about .   They&#39;re   just   white   lies .   And   that&#39;s   when   I   asked   them   when   they&#39;ve   stolen   something ,   was   it   just   white   things   or   what ?   Oh ,   it&#39;s   really   good ,   when   someone   says   a   white   lie ,   to   pin   their   tail ,   Did   you   say ?   Okay ,   tell   me ,   what   do   you   mean   by   a   white   lie ?   Why ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>21:40</time>
      <p>
          is   it ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:41</time>
      <p>
          white   and   they   just   say ,   well ,   it&#39;s   not   really   serious .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>21:44</time>
      <p>
          Innocent .   They   probably   described   it   in   innocent   light   and   then   they   go   back   to   the   old .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:47</time>
      <p>
          well ,   if   your   wife   says ,   do   I   look   fat ,   honey ?   And   I&#39;m   not   talking   about   discretion ,   I&#39;m   talking   about   barefaced   lies .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>21:56</time>
      <p>
          Sorry ,   could   you   keep   going ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:57</time>
      <p>
          No ,   I   used   to   do   that   and   I&#39;m   just   filled   with   curiosity   to   know   what&#39;s   going   on   next ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>22:00</time>
      <p>
          No ,   no ,   I   wanna   hear   you   finish .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>22:01</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   a   pathological   liar   is   one   that   lies   to   get   their   way ,   and   a   compulsive   liar   lies   out   of   habit .   The   world   has   compartmentalized   liars .   But   and   it   also   says   a   pathological   liar   has   a   mental   health   issue .   That&#39;s   just   lying .   It&#39;s   why   it   says   all   liars .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>22:18</time>
      <p>
          We   are   a   spiritual   health   issue .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>22:19</time>
      <p>
          All   liars   live   their   part   in   the   lake   of   fire .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>22:21</time>
      <p>
          So ,   ray ,   what   is   the   difference   here ,   then ,   between   discretion   and   lying ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>22:25</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   you   don&#39;t   wanna   get   beaten   up   by   your   wife ,   yeah ,   well   this   is   really   important   because   we   need   to   get   into   one ,   I   think   we   need   to   get   into   the   theology   of   why   it&#39;s   wrong   to   lie ,   and   then   we   need   to   define   what   is   a   lie .   And   we   need   to   talk   about   situational   ethics ,   because   the   scripture   gives   discretion   for   situational   ethics .   And   so ,   first   and   foremost ,   from   a   theological   perspective ,   why   are   we   called   not   to   lie ?   It&#39;s   simple   God   is   the   God   of   truth   and   we   are   called   to   be   like   God ,   that   is ,   being   truth   tellers ,   creatures   made   by   a   creator   who   always   tells   the   truth   In   order   to   glorify   him   and   other ,   in   order   to   represent   our   creator .   We   are   called   to   be   truth   tellers .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>23:08</time>
      <p>
          Oscar ,   I&#39;m   so   glad   you   pointed   that   out   and   this   is   something   that   we   remind   people   of .  
      </p>

      <h2 id="the-role-of-lying-in-morality"><a class="no-underline" href="#the-role-of-lying-in-morality">The Role of Lying in Morality</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>23:13</time>
      <p>
          I   remember   hearing   someone   share   it   long   ago   and   I   thought   man   that&#39;s   so   profound .   God   didn&#39;t   just   make   up   a   bunch   of   commandments   on   a   whim ,   like ,   oh ,   this   would   be   good   and   that   would   be   good ,   but   the   commandments   are   interrelated   to   his   nature ,   his   character   so   good .   So   it&#39;s   been   said   right .   It&#39;s   wrong   to   lie   because   God   is   not   a   liar .   It&#39;s   wrong   to   commit   adultery   because   God   is   not   unfaithful .   It&#39;s   wrong   to   steal ,   because   God   is   not   a   thief .   What   could   he   steal ?   Right ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>23:45</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;ll   answer   that ,   but   no   this   is   an   important   theological   understanding   of   the   law .   It&#39;s   not   arbitrary   laws   that   God   gives   us   for   no   reason   whatsoever .   It&#39;s   that   we   were   created   to   glorify   God .   That   is   the   intended   purpose   of   our   design   is   to   put   on   display   the   glory   of   God ,   and   so   the   commandments ,   the   laws   that   he   gives   us   are   ways   for   him   to   let   us   know   something   about   who   he   is ,   which   is   exactly   what   you&#39;re   saying .   We   have   a   God   who   speaks   truth ,   who   does   not   lie ,   who   all   things   belong   to   him ,   so   does   not   steal .   There   are   no   other   gods ,   and   so   there   are   no   other   gods   before   him ,   right ?   And   so   these   laws   are   given   to   us   so   that   we   know   how   to   reflect   the   one   who   made   us .   And   when   we   fall   short ,   ultimately ,   what   is   sin ?   It&#39;s   not   breaking   arbitrary   laws .   It&#39;s   falling   short   of   your   intended   design ,   which   is   to   glorify   God .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>24:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   yeah ,   so   Exodus   2016 .   Again ,   we&#39;ve   been   visiting   some   of   the   commandments   that   we   haven&#39;t   touched   on   yet   in   previous   episodes ,   and   today   we&#39;re   talking   about   lying ,   and   it   makes   it   clear   there ,   right ,   exodus   2016, .   Not   to   bear   false   witness   Colossians   3 ,   9   to   10 ,   do   not   lie   to   one   another ,   since   you   have   put   off   the   old   man   with   his   deeds   and   have   put   on   the   new   man ,   who   was   renewed ,   and   knowledge   according   to   the   image   of   him ,   who   created   him .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>25:05</time>
      <p>
          I   just   want   to   say   that   Exodus   2016 .   Often   people   say ,   look ,   it&#39;s   not   lying ,   it&#39;s   referring   to   speaking   the   truth   when   you&#39;re   in   a   court   of   law ,   Because   it   says   you   should   not   take   the   name   of   the   Lord   God .   No ,   that&#39;s   not .   That&#39;s   the   third   command   I&#39;m   getting   mixed   up .   Here&#39;s   the   amplified   Bible .   Shall   I   turn   it   down   A   little   louder .   A   little   louder .   You   should   not   testify   falsely .   That   is   lie ,   withhold   or   manipulate   the   truth   against   your   neighbor   or   any   person .   So   that   covers   it .   It   is   lying   in   court   or   out   of   court .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>25:33</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   absolutely ,   whatever   people   might   try   to   say .   Obviously   we   know   that&#39;s   not   what   it&#39;s   limited   to ,   but   even   in   Scripture   where   we   see   God&#39;s   heart   toward   lying   Proverbs   12-22 ,   lying   lips   are   an   abomination   to   the   Lord ,   but   those   who   deal   truthfully   are   His   delight   Proverbs   6 ,   16   and   19, .   There   are   six   things   that   the   Lord   hates ,   seven   that   are   an   abomination   to   Him   Oddie   eyes ,   a   lying   tongue ,   and   it   goes   on .   So   there&#39;s   no   question   that   lying   is   detestable   to   the   Lord   and   Mark .   In   the   Colossians   passage   that   I   quoted ,   he   says   do   not   lie   to   one   another ,   since   you   have   put   off   the   old   man   with   his   deeds .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>26:16</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   think   about   how   many   times   we   lie   to   protect ,   to   preserve ,   to   get   ahead .   We   don&#39;t   need   to   do   that   anymore .   God   doesn&#39;t   need   our   help .   Stretch   the   story ,   give   God   the   glory   People   often   do   when   they&#39;re   given   their   testimony .   We   need   to   just   be   careful .   God   desires   truth   in   the   inward   parts ,   curtis   Vaughn .   He   said   lying   is   stating   something ,   either   written ,   oral   or   with   other   signals ,   with   the   intent   to   mislead .   Lying   doesn&#39;t   necessarily   have   to   be   in   a   oral ,   verbal   way   of   communication .   I&#39;m   just   trying   to   mislead .   I&#39;m   trying   to   protect   and   preserve   in   such   a   way   to   lead   you   down   a   direction   other   than   that   which   is   absolutely   100%   correct   and   true .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>27:05</time>
      <p>
          Perhaps   by   leaving   information   out .   So   then   situational   effects   comes   into   play .   Somebody   doesn&#39;t   own   a   dog ,   but   they   live   in   a   rough   neighborhood ,   and   so   they   put   up   a   sign   beware   of   dog .   Are   they   lying   or   a   woman   who&#39;s   being   attacked   tells- .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>27:21</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;ve   actually   done   that ,   yeah ,   you   attacked   a   woman .   No ,   we   had   a   poodle   and   I   put   up   a   big   sign   beware   of   a   dog ,   you   lied .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>27:31</time>
      <p>
          Or   another   example   is   a   woman   is   being   attacked   and   she   tells   the   attacker   that   her   husband&#39;s   on   her   way   home ,   that   he&#39;s   in   the   other   room .   Has   she   bear   false   witness ?   Is   she   lying ?   Is   that   a   sin ?   Or   you   think   of   people   that   hide   Jews   during   Nazi   Germany ?   Were   they   lying ?   Were   they   bearing   false   witness ?   Were   they   sinning ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>27:52</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;d   like   to   kind   of   address   that   I   was   being   interviewed   by   a   radio   program   from   a   friend   of   ours .   He   had   asked   this   question .   He   said   well ,   if   it   was   1942   and   you   were   hiding   Jews   and   SS   soldiers   come   to   the   door   and   they   say   they   asked   you   the   question   are   you   hiding   Jews ,   yes   or   no ?   I   said   well ,   let   me   ask   you   this   how   would   you   answer   that ?   He   goes .   I   would   say   yes ,   I   am .   I   would   be   honest   and   I   would   answer   the   question   yes ,   he&#39;s   all .   Would   you   say   no ,   and   I   said   I   wouldn&#39;t   say   the   one   because   I   do   not   bow   to   the   dictates   of   evil   people   inside   my   life .   I   don&#39;t   have   to   play   by   the   rules   of   the   people   that   are   trying   to   back   me   up   into   a   corner .   He   says   so   what   would   you   say ?   I   would   say-   Change   the   subject .   What&#39;s   your   favorite   color ?   Jackson   T ?   No ,   I   would   rebuke   them   in   the   name   of   Jesus   Christ ,   so   much   so   where   God   would   have   to   have   mercy   upon   them .   I   mean ,   are   you   hiding   Jews ?   The   Lord   rebuke   you ,   blame   If   you   do   not   repent .   Well ,   listen ,   this   is   where   we   have   to   have   a   lofty   view   of   God&#39;s   sovereignty .   That   I   have   an   insurance   plan   that   is   out   of   this   world ,   that   nobody   can   do   anything   to   me   unless   God   says   that   is   perfect ,   this   isn&#39;t   a   great   movie   man .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>29:06</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   really ,   this   is   a   good   discussion .   It&#39;s   divisive ,   yeah ,   it&#39;s   one   I&#39;ve   gone   back   and   forth   on   with   people   and   it&#39;s   one   that   I&#39;ve   really   tried   to   work   through   in   my   own   mind ,   because   obviously ,   for   example ,   we&#39;ll   look   at   the   commandment   translated   in   many   versions   you   shall   not   kill .   New   King   James   and   others   has   it   as   you   shall   not   murder ,   and   I   believe   it&#39;s   appropriate   you   shall   not   murder .   You   look   at   that   and   you   say ,   okay ,   there   is   a   difference   between   taking   life   in   this   instance   and   in   that   instance .   Would   God   take   that   and   apply   it   to   you   as   a   violation   of   that   commandment ?   Because   it&#39;s   taking   all   the   life ?   You   know   Right ,   and   that&#39;s   the   question .   So   if   someone   comes   to   someone&#39;s   door   and   says   like ,   let&#39;s   take   Cory   Timboom   in   their   family ,   I   don&#39;t   know ,   but   I   would   assume   they   denied   it   and   said ,   no ,   we&#39;re   not   hiding   Jews .   Oh   rehab ,   yeah   yeah .   Does   God   take   that   and   then   apply   it   to   that   person&#39;s   account   as   a   sin ?   If   they   said ,   no ,   we&#39;re   not   in   the   vein   of   thwarting   evil   to   protect   someone&#39;s   life ,   someone   comes   and   says ,   hey ,   where&#39;s   your   wife ?   Is   your   wife   in   the   house ?   And   you   know   that   by   your   saying   you   know   what   anything   else   they   know   immediately .   You&#39;re   not   answering   the   question   and   they   know   you&#39;re   a   Christian ,   so   they   know   you   don&#39;t ,   so   I   do .   I   wrestle   with   that .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>30:18</time>
      <p>
          So   the   scriptures   appear   to   give   us   a   helpful   understanding ,   through   example ,   of   what   this   looks   like ,   and   I&#39;m   gonna   share   these   biblical   situational   ethics .   And   then   I   think   we   need   to   revisit   what   does   it   mean   to   lie ?   And   so   the   biblical   situational   ethics   there&#39;s   at   least   three ,   actually   kind   of   four ,   but   I&#39;m   gonna   share   three .   There&#39;s   the   time   that   Pharaoh   demands   that   Hebrew   midwives   kill   all   newborn   babies   in   Exodus   one .   And   the   midwives   don&#39;t .   When   they&#39;re   asked   about   it ,   they   say   that   the   Egyptian   women   are   vigorous   and   they   gave   birth   before   they   arrive .   They   lie   to   Pharaoh   and   God   blesses   them   and   gives   them   families .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>31:01</time>
      <p>
          Cause   they   didn&#39;t   wanna   commit   murder .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>31:02</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   right .   Mark   already   brought   up   another   one   Rahab   the   prostitute   that   protects   the   Israelite   spies .   And   James   two   goes   beyond   doesn&#39;t   even   call   it   a   sin ,   doesn&#39;t   say   that   God   passes   over   it   or   God   makes   a   situation   for   it .   He   actually   uses   that   lie   as   an   example   of   good   works   that   overflow   from   true   saving   faith .   Isn&#39;t   that   interesting ?   Or   what   about   the   time   that   God   tells   Samuel   to   go   and   anoint   the   successor   of   King   Saul ?   Samuel   fears   that   the   King   would   find   out   and   kill   him ,   and   so   the   Lord   tells   Samuel   to   take   a   sacrifice   and   tell   Saul   that   he&#39;s   simply   there   to   make   a   sacrifice .   In   other   words ,   god   tells   Samuel   to   be   cagey   about   the   reason   why   he&#39;s   in   that   particular   situation .   So   now   we   have   to   go   back   to   the   question   what   does   it   mean   to   lie ,   to   bear   false   witness ?   And   I   think   it   means .   Well ,   actually ,   who   cares   what ?   I   think   the   commentators   that   I&#39;ve   been   reading   I   care   what   you   think ,   Oscar   Thank   you
      </p>

      <h2 id="discussion-on-lying-and-deceitfulness"><a class="no-underline" href="#discussion-on-lying-and-deceitfulness">Discussion on Lying and Deceitfulness</a></h2>


        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>32:02</time>
      <p>
          .   The   commentators   point   out   that   three   things .   The   first   thing   is   that   lying   is   bearing   false   witness ,   which   means   to   witness   against   the   reputation   and   dignity   of   another   person .   Anytime   we   use   words ,   that   is   a   misrepresentation   of   the   dignity   of   another   person .   And   that&#39;s   people   in   our   lives ,   that&#39;s   political   figures ,   that&#39;s   other   Christians   that   were   like ,   where   we   just   assume   their   system   of   belief   or   understanding .   Deuteronomy   19, .   If   a   malicious   witness   arises   to   accuse   a   person   of   wrongdoing ,   then   both   parties   shall   come   before   the   Lord .   Right ,   and   you   have   to .   It   goes   on   to   say   you   shall   purge   the   evil   from   your   midst .   Okay ,   so   people&#39;s   reputation   on   some   instantiated   claims .   The   second   one   is   making   a   promise   that   you   don&#39;t   intend   to   keep   letting   your   yes   be   yes   and   your   no   be   no .   And   the   third   example   that   they   give   is   intentionally   misleading   or   exaggerating .   There&#39;s   this   story   in   the   Old   Testament   where ,   in   the   marketplace ,   people   would   weigh   scales   in   their   favor ,   so   that   as   they   traded ,   the   scales   would   be   weighed   in   their   favor   and   they   would   get   more   out   of   the   exchange   than   they   deserve .   And   God   hates   that   kind   of   behavior .   And   so   holding   back   information   that   another   person   deserves   to   know   is   another   form   of   this   kind   of   lie   that   God   intends   for   us   to   stay   away   from   Deceitfulness .   Deceitfulness ,   that&#39;s   good .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>33:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   exactly ,   and   I   think   I   would   say   that   this   is   a   place   to   be   really   cautious   and   that   I   think   that   the   circumstances   are   very ,   very   rare ,   few   and   far   between ,   where   not   speaking   the   truth   as   it   is   is   acceptable .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>33:59</time>
      <p>
          And .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>33:59</time>
      <p>
          I   think   it   would   be   in   those   rare   circumstances   and   again ,   maybe   I&#39;m   wrong ,   but   that   has   been   my   and ,   as   we&#39;ve   talked   about   it ,   someone&#39;s   coming   in .   They   wanna   rape   your   wife ,   tell   us   where   she   is   or   where   is   she ,   or   whatever   A   situation   where   the   only   way   you&#39;re   going   to   save   your   wife   is   by   not   telling   them   the   truth   or   by   intentionally   misleading   them   or   rebuking   them .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>34:19</time>
      <p>
          Or ,   once   again ,   I   don&#39;t   see   why   I   need   to   play   by   the   rules   of   the   people   that   come   inside   out .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>34:24</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   you   don&#39;t   need   to .   But   I   think   there   could   be   certain   circumstances   where   they&#39;re   just   gonna   know   by   you   not   giving   them   an   answer   or   whatever ,   and   where   we   would   have   to   be   misleading   in   order   to   save   someone .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>34:35</time>
      <p>
          Or   if   you   say   to   the   Nazis ,   it   depends   on   what   your   definition   of   a   Jew   is .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>34:41</time>
      <p>
          And   so   I   think   I   mean   I   personally   lean   toward   the   Lord   would   not   attribute   that   to   you   as   a   lie ,   in   the   same   way   that   he   wouldn&#39;t   attribute   murder   to   you   as   you   take   the   life   of   another   person   who&#39;s   trying   to   kill   your   family   member ,   or   in   self-defense .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>34:59</time>
      <p>
          See ,   the   only   danger   that   I   see   with   that   perhaps   easy   is   we&#39;re   moving   the   goalpost .   Perhaps   and   I   throw   in   the   word   perhaps   right ,   because   then   it   becomes   subjective   and   up   to   each   individual   to   decide .   Well ,   I&#39;m   trying   to   protect   right .   That   is   what   I&#39;m   attempting   to   do .   Remember ,   as   we   look   at   scripture ,   all   the   trouble   in   the   world .   It   began   with   a   lie ,   it   began   with   what   seems   to   be   a   half   truth .   And   is   there   an   error ?   By   falling   back   in ,   just   simply   trusting   that   God   is   going   to   be   my   defense ,   that   he   is   my   shield ,   that   he   is   my   buckler ,   we   can   say ,   as   I   don&#39;t   remember   which   one   of   you   said   it ,   well   then ,   they&#39;re   gonna   know   by   default   that   what&#39;s   actually   happening .   And   I   go ,   yeah ,   like   I   don&#39;t   know   and   I   don&#39;t   care .   Once   again ,   I&#39;m   not   playing   by   their   rules .   Why   do   I   have   to   play   by   their   rules ?   Do   I   either   trust   that   all   my   days   were   written ,   that   my   wife&#39;s ,   all   of   her   days   were   written ,   before   there   are   one   of   them ?   I   don&#39;t   know   why   I   necessarily   have   to   go   down   that   route .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>36:07</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it&#39;s   a   good   point ,   mark .   I   just   don&#39;t   see   that   it&#39;s   a   good   point .   It&#39;s   a   good   point   and   I   think   and   that&#39;s   why   I   said   it&#39;s   a   slippery   slope   we   have   to   be   very ,   very   careful .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>36:15</time>
      <p>
          Is   it   a ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>36:15</time>
      <p>
          matter   of   conscience .   I   think   so .   I   mean   again ,   I   think   that   what   Mark   is   saying   is   noble   and   there&#39;s   that   element   and   aspect   that   we   have   to   examine   and   explore ,   but   I   think   that   I   personally   I   wish   I&#39;m   never   in   that   situation ,   but   I   don&#39;t   think   I   would   struggle   if   I   was   faced   with   a   situation   like   that   and   I   intentionally   misled   someone   who   was   going   to   commit   evil .   Yeah ,   who&#39;s   gonna   be ,   you   know   carry   out   evil   or   harm   against   someone   else .   So   I   don&#39;t   think   the   Lord   would   have   faulted   Corey   Tamboom   and   her   family   if   they   lied   to   the   Nazis   to   save   all   those   Jews   and ,   honestly ,   I   don&#39;t   think   he   would   have   defined   it   as   a   lie   as   what   I&#39;m   saying ,   because   if   it   is   a   true   lie ,   in   accordance   with   the   reality   of   what   a   lie   is   and   how   God   attributes   it ,   then   it&#39;s   wrong   no   matter   what .   But   I   don&#39;t   think   he   would   have   defined   that   and   attributed   it   as   a   lie .   I   could   be   totally   wrong ,   but   that&#39;s   been   my   perspective .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>37:14</time>
      <p>
          So   once   again ,   the   thing   that   I&#39;m   hesitant   here   is   we&#39;re   moving   the   goal   line   right .   It   becomes   subjective   to   each   individual .   I   have   a   family   member   who   was   molested   by   her   father .   I   have   another   family   member   that   came   along   and   said   that   was   her   recollection   when   she   was   little .   She   remembers   being   molested ,   so   she   had   asked   another   family   member   about   that .   And   I   had   a   close   family   member   that   came   along   and   said   I   know   who   it   was .   It   was   a   different   family   member .   He   took   the   blame   himself   so   that   she   could   think   well   of   her   dad   who   actually   was   the   one   that   molested .   He   subjectively   now   came   up   with   that   and   then   he   had   to   rape   the   consequences   of   that   as   she   had   gotten   older   because   she   knew   from   she   was   little   that   it   was   somebody   else ,   when   it   really   in   reality   wasn&#39;t .   So   when   we   start   moving   things   around   and   helping   out   the   situation ,   I&#39;m   saying   that&#39;s   very   dangerous ,   because   why   is   your   subjective   experience   any   better   or   more   valid   than   a   different   individual   who   comes   up   with   whatever   thing   they   want   to   come   up   with ?   What   about ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>38:25</time>
      <p>
          the   midwives .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>38:26</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   like   that   you&#39;re   making   a   clear   distinction ,   because   you&#39;re   absolutely   right .   I   don&#39;t   think   the   scriptures   are   saying   that   lying   is   a   matter   of   subjectiveness   and   I   don&#39;t   think   that   the   scriptures   make   it   clear   that   lying   is   a   matter   of   personal   self-gain .   That   is   not   what   God   intends .   I   think   lying   is   an   objective   thing ,   but   I   think   it&#39;s   one   thing   and   not   another   thing   is   what   I&#39;m   saying .   So   I   think   as   we   talk   about   these   biblical   situational   ethics   like   Rahab   and   the   midwives   and   things   of   that   nature ,   I   think   it&#39;s   important   to   distinguish ,   to   cut   through   it   and   to   understand   where   it   is .   And   that&#39;s   where   I   think   the   commentator   talking   about   defining ,   bearing   false   witness ,   promises   you   don&#39;t   intend   to   keep   and   intentional   misleading   or   exaggerating   to   tip   scales   in   your   favor .   I   think   those   are   distinct ,   objective   reasons   and   I   think   I   love   what   you&#39;re   doing   here ,   mark ,   because   the   sinful   nature   that   we   have   is   to   begin   to   take   those   situational   ethics   and   go   ah ,   let   me   apply   that   to   my   taxes ,   let   me   apply   that   to   this   situation   over   here   in   the   workplace ,   to   the   conversation   I&#39;m   having   with   my   wife   about   what   I   was   really   doing   last   night ,   and   so   we   can   so   easily   take   God&#39;s   objective   examples   and   take   and   turn   it   into   subjective   self   gain .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>39:55</time>
      <p>
          So   I   love   what   you&#39;re   doing .   I   absolutely   love   the   way   you   had   worded   that .   I   mean   because   it&#39;s   easy   to   think   that   how   many   millions   of   dollars   are   given   towards   abortion   each   year   from   the   government .   So   somebody   wants   to   come   along   and   say ,   well ,   listen ,   I   don&#39;t   want   to   give   my   money   towards   an   evil   government   that&#39;s   going   to   put   money   towards   murdering   people .   Instead ,   I&#39;m   going   to   put   that   money   and   I&#39;m   going   to   give   that   same   money ,   give   it   to   my   church   or   give   it   to   the   widows   in   need .   Right   that   they   subjectively   now   come   up   with   that .   It&#39;s   just .   We&#39;ve   got   to   be   careful .   Absolutely .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>40:26</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   a   slippery   slope   and   again ,   my   perspective   if   and   it&#39;s   something   I&#39;m   still   working   through ,   I   wrestle   with   it ,   but   if   it   is   something   acceptable   in   certain   situations ,   they   would   be   extraordinarily   rare ,   I   believe ,   and   of   a   massive   magnitude .   And   I   would   say   as   well ,   we   do   have   to   be   careful   too ,   in   that   sometimes   we&#39;ll   cite   certain   instances   of   how   God   worked   in   a   certain   situation   and   we   got   to   be   careful   not   to   also   say ,   well ,   because   of   that ,   then   we   can   do   that .   Some   people   will   point   to   it   Well ,   look ,   Deborah   was   used   by   God   as   a   woman   leader ,   and   okay ,   but   what   are   the   circumstances   behind   that ?   How   does   that   apply   in   that   context ?   Or   others   will   say ,   well ,   look ,   you   know ,   Jose ,   he   married   a   prostitute .   And   so   we   can   go .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>41:12</time>
      <p>
          We   just   we   have   to   be   careful ,   you   know ,   with   that   as   well ,   and   so ,   and   speaking   of   being   careful ,   let   me   shift   gears   a   little   bit ,   because   I   think   this   is   something   that   could   challenge   all   of   us .   I   think   it&#39;s   so   funny   to   it&#39;s   not   funny ,   it&#39;s   unfortunate   to   me   that   when   we   start   talking   about   public   figures ,   all   of   our   moral   absolutes   become   very   muddled   and   subjective ,   right   Like   we   show   patience   and   grace   and   hospitality   and   and   charitable   to   the   person   who   lives   next   to   us ,   to   the   person   who   we   go   to   church   with ,   but   then   when   it   comes   to   a   public   figure ,   we&#39;re   so   quick   to   to   demean   them ,   belittle   them   or   assume   or   repeat   words   that   we   hear   from   other   people   and   assign   stuff   to   them .   And   so   what   I&#39;m   talking   about   is   like ,   whether   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   public   figures ,   whether   it&#39;s   whatever   public   figures ,   whether   political   or   religious ,   so   often   we   will   retweet   unverified   information ,   we   will   repeat   unverified   information ,   and   it&#39;s   always   the   unverified   information   that   fits   our   narrative .   And   we   have   to   be   really   careful   with   that   because   we   can   get   caught   up   in   the   same   thing   Anytime .   I   bear   if   I   speak   against   another   person   out   there   because   I   hear   some   conspiracy   theories ,   some   unverified   claim   and   that&#39;s   a   lie ,   I   participate   in   that   lie .   I   have   to   be   really   careful   with   my   words ,   not   only   with   my   words   to   my   neighbors ,   but   also   with   my   words ,   as   it   pertains   to   public   figures .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>42:38</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   good .  
      </p>

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        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>42:39</time>
      <p>
          So ,   ray ,   what   do   you   think   of   all   this ?   What&#39;s   your   perspective   on   it ?   I   think   of   all   the   Scots   incredible ,   powerful   quote .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>42:47</time>
      <p>
          Familiar   with   it ?   No ,   yes ,   you   are ,   prove   it .   I   know   what   a   tangled   web   we   weave   when   first   we   practice   to   deceive .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>42:54</time>
      <p>
          You&#39;ve   heard   of   that   very   fast .   Oh   yeah ,   of   course ,   and   it&#39;s   so   true .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>42:58</time>
      <p>
          You   deal   with   an   officious   spider   when   you   deceive   people ,   because   it&#39;s   going   to   come   back   on   you .   You&#39;re   going   to   get   caught   up   in   a   web .   Mark   Twain   said   if   you   tell   the   truth ,   you   don&#39;t   have   to   remember   anything .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>43:10</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   good .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>43:11</time>
      <p>
          Isn&#39;t   that   true ,   and   I   identify   with   that .   When   I   share   anecdotes   when   I&#39;m   preaching ,   if   I&#39;ve   had   an   experience ,   I   just   relate   my   experience .   It   doesn&#39;t   make   me   nervous ,   I   don&#39;t   forget   anything ,   it&#39;s   just   this   experience   I   had   that   relates   to   the   gospel ,   and   I   just   share   it .   It&#39;s   wonderful ,   it&#39;s   freeing .   But   if   I   have   to   make   up   an   anecdote   or   something   that   didn&#39;t   actually   happen ,   it&#39;s   a   completely   different   story .   And   so   speak   the   truth   and   you   don&#39;t   have   to   remember   anything .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>43:36</time>
      <p>
          Amen .   I   love   it   when   experts   talk   about   all   the   different   cues   that   people   give   when   they   lie   the   body   language   and   the   twitching .   Is   that   what   you   do ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>43:48</time>
      <p>
          Ray ,   the   twitching   the   eyes ,   the   not   blinking ,   the   moving   in   the   hands ,   breathing ,   that&#39;s   another   sign   someone&#39;s   lying   for   their   breathing .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>43:56</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   it&#39;s   breathing ,   it&#39;s   the .   You   know ,   there&#39;s   just   all   these   weird   things   that   people   start   doing   and   again ,   it&#39;s   because   of   conscience .   Their   eyes   shift ,   they   start   looking   in   another   direction ,   they   start   using   filler   words   and   yeah ,   and   I   just   watched   a   video-   they   repeat   the   question   to   abide   time   to   formulate   an   answer .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>44:17</time>
      <p>
          They   repeat   the   question .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>44:19</time>
      <p>
          What&#39;s   my   what&#39;s ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>44:21</time>
      <p>
          my   name ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>44:22</time>
      <p>
          No ,   it&#39;s   like   how   many   lies   have   I   told ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>44:26</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   so .   So   yeah ,   friends ,   god   despises   lying .   It   is   an   abomination   to   him .   We   have   to   recognize   that .   You   know ,   the   Lord   wants   those   who   walk   with   him   to   walk   uprightly ,   in   truth .   Psalm   1017, .   He   who   works   deceit   shall   not   dwell   within   my   house .   He   who   tells   lies   shall   not   continue   in   my   presence .   Proverbs   99 ,   a   false   witness   will   not   go   unpunished   and   he   who   breathes   out   lies   will   perish .   And   again   it&#39;s   been   referenced   Revelation   21, .   Eight ,   that   liars   will   have   their   part   in   the   lake   of   fire .   And   so   so   think   about   that ,   you   know ,   examine   your   life ,   because   there   are   some   believers   that   profess   Christ   and   yet   they   allow   themselves   to   get   swept   up   into   that ,   for   for   the   sake   of   their   reputation   or   for   the   sake   of   getting   themselves   out   of   unfavorable   circumstances .   And   those   who   know   and   love   God   have   his   truth   upon   their   tongue .   We   need   to   be   truth   tellers   and   to   speak   the   truth   and   listen .   Our   kids   are   watching ,   they&#39;re   watching ,   you   know ,   the   podcast ,   the   living   waters .   But   you   know   I   mean   seriously   when   you   think   about   the   cues   that   kids   get   from   their   parents .   Someone   calls   tell   them .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>45:42</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   not   here ,   yeah .   You   know ,   what   television   does   that   all   the   time ?  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>45:45</time>
      <p>
          Oh   yeah .   Even   the   Andy   Grover   show ,   which   I   absolutely   love ,   is   filled   with   Andy   lying ,   you   know ,   justifying ,   not   telling   the   truth ,   and   I   think ,   I   think   that   the   answer ,   that   what   we   started   with   earlier ,   that   we   get   from   people   typically ,   when   you   ask   them   how   many   lies   have   you   told   you ,   oh ,   so   many .   I   mean ,   they&#39;re   not   ready   to   say   that   about   other   stuff ,   I   commit   adultery   all   the   time ,   you   know ,   or   whatever ,   until   you   spiritualize   and   talk   about   lust .   But   I&#39;m   just   saying   like ,   I   think ,   because   they   answer   that   way ,   it&#39;s   a ,   it&#39;s   a   clue   that   they   feel ,   oh ,   it&#39;s   acceptable ,   yeah ,   everybody   does   it ,   so   it&#39;s   okay .   It&#39;s   not   okay ,   it&#39;s   an   abomination   in   the   sight   of   the   Lord .   And   so   let&#39;s   speak   truth   and   delight   in   the   Lord ,   and   doing   it ,   amen ,   amen .   All   right ,   friends ,   there   you   have   it .   Don&#39;t   forget   Ray&#39;s   wonderful   book ,   undeniable .   Oh   no ,   was   that   the   right   one ?   Am   I   in   the   wrong   place ?   I&#39;m   in   the   wrong   place .   Something   about   Moses .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>46:39</time>
      <p>
          Was   it ?   Oh ,   wasn&#39;t   scientific   facts   in   the   Bible ?   No ,   that   was   the   other   one .   No ,   I   got   it .   Here&#39;s   your   thing .  
      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>46:45</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   no ,   it&#39;s   Moses   Down&#39;s   down   now .   You   were   just   there .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>46:47</time>
      <p>
          No ,   that&#39;s   not   the   one .   I   got   all   these   different   things   here .   It&#39;s   show   us   Moses ,   or   whatever .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>46:52</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;ve   got   to   go   back   to   our .   We   have   no   idea   what   we&#39;re   doing .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>46:56</time>
      <p>
          I   know ,   seriously ,   let   them   hear   Moses   looking   to   Moses   to   point   people   to   Jesus .   Don&#39;t   forget   to   get   that .   And   Living   Waters   Mug   and   evidence ,   study   Bible ,   all   of   the   waterscom   podcast ,   all   of   the   waterscom .   Tell   us   all   that   good   stuff .   And   don&#39;t   forget   the   contest .   Do   something   with   the   mug   and   Oscar   will   give   you   a   thank   you   for   joining   us .  
      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>47:17</time>
      <p>
          No ,   that&#39;s   not   the   price .  
      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>47:19</time>
      <p>
          Thank   you   for   joining   us ,   friends .   We&#39;ll   see   you   here   next   time   on   the   Living   Waters   podcast .  
      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>47:26</time>
      <p>
          the   ultimate   source ,   no   the   ultimate   cure   for   insomnia .  
      </p>