Robberies, Family Stories, and Food Chatter

Ray Comfort

I had a store that was robbed Really . Yeah , it was called Leather Gear . That's when I used to make leather jackets for people and I had 13 burglaries in one year . Oh , and it was because I was between a hotel , a boozer and this halfway house . That's where I was right in the middle of them and I wrote a note and it said on the door dear burglars , yeah , since I've been here I've had 12 burglaries and I put a line through it 13 . Because after I put that sign up , I got another one . The local newspaper took a picture of it , put it in the paper , so I got a lot of publicity from it and got more burglaries after that .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah right , this is the guy who does nothing . He does have a lock on his door . You know , when I was living in Westminster , I told you guys that my family bought a four-plex apartment building .

Mark Spence

This could be a long story . It sounds like it .

Emeal Zwayne

And we all lived next to each other . So anyway , they kept coming in and breaking in . One night my uncle . He was lying in bed and he saw someone in his window trying to come in . So he put this note on the window and it said dear thief , you may succeed in getting in , but you will not succeed in getting out . It stopped after that . Oh , that'd be a good one . That's clever . That's clever . There are some foods that are not meant to be eaten , friends , because there are some foods whose names are not meant to be uttered because they be ugly . They be hey , friends . We'd love you all to come over to dinner tonight for some guacamole . I love guacamole .

Ray Comfort

Amen .

Emeal Zwayne

Hey , what do you guys say ? We get together this weekend for some chutney .

Ray Comfort

No one gets together to have chutney .

Emeal Zwayne

There's any word . It cracks me up and disgusts me at the same time . It's soared Chutney . Win a snitch on what is chutney , by the way .

Ray Comfort

It's a spread . It's kind of like a lightweight mustard , but it's got cauliflower in it . That's pretty good . It's quite nice , sounds delicious .

Emeal Zwayne

Good to have with me . Would you have some ? Yeah , can I please have some Pumpernickel bread ? Pumpernickel bread .

Oscar Navarro

I'm glad someone's entertained .

Emeal Zwayne

I was trying to think of how I feel at the moment so entertaining For our 25th anniversary . I took my wife out to . Oh , wienerschnitzel . Oh , I knew that was coming . Mark , was that a quote ? How did you enjoy Wienerschnitzel for your anniversary with Laura ? You got to stop .

Oscar Navarro

Yes , when's the last ?

Emeal Zwayne

time you went to Wienerschnitzel , der Wiener Der .

Mark Spence

Wienerschnitzel . I'm having a medical procedure tomorrow and I'm fasting today , and you guys are talking about Wienerschnitzel .

Emeal Zwayne

That was divinely done , mark . I prepped this and I didn't even know .

Ray Comfort

You're getting a body transplant , body transplant , head transplant , head transplant ?

Emeal Zwayne

Are you fixing the thing on your face , trying ?

Ray Comfort

to get it no , Zoska .

Emeal Zwayne

You're sensitive . Come on , you guys . You have to admit those are very ugly words .

Oscar Navarro

No , that's totally culturally insensitive .

Emeal Zwayne

That's what I was aiming at .

Ray Comfort

They're colorful words Wienerschnitzel , Dainish .

Oscar Navarro

You said it .

Ray Comfort

You know my favorite thing about .

Oscar Navarro

Wienerschnitzel the warm bun when you unwrap it from the waxy paper and the cheese is just almost watery .

Mark Spence

You're not going to lie with that . That's why you order five chili cheese dogs and you let them just sit in the bag for a little bit .

Oscar Navarro

It's the one fast food that you don't want to eat right away . Don't even say fast food , because Mark's not eating .

Emeal Zwayne

You guys are so demented . Yes , I'm on the mic . And they . Ray just got a message from Scotty and his ear to get on the mic .

Ray Comfort

So I was very subtle and handled it well . Good job , they'll never know .

Discussion on Marmite and Disgusting Foods

Ray Comfort

No , I'm on the mic , scotty .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , oscar , I mean , you're an anomaly to me , man , with this . And again , I know we keep talking about it . It's because I'm just so perplexed with the whole Wienerschnitzel thing , like , okay , I don't get it either .

Mark Spence

Are we moving on from Wienerschnitzel ?

Ray Comfort

We've done this . No , like Mark , that's as bad as the black coffee .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , like Mark , you know he's a disgusting human being . He eats filthy things . Oh man preach , you wear like organic socks Too , shay I mean , and you're eating Wienerschnitzel .

Oscar Navarro

It's just really good . Sometimes you just gotta have a wiener schnitzel .

Ray Comfort

Are we gonna move on from the ?

Emeal Zwayne

wiener schnitzel , because I know how to do it . It's one of those mysteries I just don't understand . Thur in the mouth , oh , like cotton balls . Yeah , cotton balls , stop it . Okay , ray Ray , real quick , seriously , though you like chutney .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , actually it's very nice If it's with the right stuff . It's not too hot or anything .

Emeal Zwayne

Okay , I'll tell you one of the most disgusting foods on the face of the earth .

Ray Comfort

You're gonna offend somebody .

Emeal Zwayne

I forgot about this . This wasn't even something I planned to say . What Sour crowd , oh .

Ray Comfort

I love sour oh it's horrible .

Emeal Zwayne

Oh , thank you , that is disgusting . Thank you , finally I have a friend . My wife will eat sour crowd right on the jar .

Ray Comfort

But think of what is cool .

Oscar Navarro

Boo Sour Oscar you like sour crowd ? I don't recall . Actually , I'm trying to remember the last of my head .

Emeal Zwayne

Oh , I love it .

Oscar Navarro

I enjoyed it a lot With like sausage . You know , what I don't like is whatever that green minty jelly that they give you during Thanksgiving or Easter that you're supposed to put on stuff . You know what I'm talking about ? Not green , you think . In purple , purple Thanksgiving they give you like that green . It's like comes out of a jar and it's green and it looks like jello . Is it the ?

Ray Comfort

American version of mint sauce .

Emeal Zwayne

It sounds like a relish .

Oscar Navarro

I don't know what it is , but it's terrible .

Emeal Zwayne

Whatever , if you're not one of those , I love my mother-in-law Don't look , please stop reading that Maybe it's leftover from the previous year .

Oscar Navarro

That's why it's green .

Emeal Zwayne

That's what it is . Yeah , I mean , who in New Zealand one day just had some rotten yeast and said let's make it into maulmite ? Is that what maulmite is basically ?

Ray Comfort

You can upset Mark Mark Lloyd . Mark Lloyd just loves it . He's American , Look real men eat maulmite .

Emeal Zwayne

I can tolerate maulmite but real men eat maulmite , rachel is so into it .

Oscar Navarro

It's tar . What is it ?

Mark Spence

It's a sticky dark brown paste .

Ray Comfort

It's black .

Oscar Navarro

I was about to ask what do I need to eat in New ? Zealand ? This is what Love you .

Ray Comfort

I'm going to go to New Zealand . Give Oscar a spoon for maulmite . No , no , you will not . You already knew anything , okay , no no , no , I want you to film it for me and use it in the program . When you go to New Zealand , it's got to be a teaspoon full of maulmite . A teaspoon what ?

Oscar Navarro

is it Teaspoon ? You don't need to Actually .

Mark Spence

I prefer not to .

Oscar Navarro

That was my thing , that's my thing when I travel .

Ray Comfort

I don't know what it is .

Oscar Navarro

I just want to try it .

Ray Comfort

It's a yeast extract . That's it . It's not nothing weird .

Emeal Zwayne

We'll do a tablespoon for Oscars .

Ray Comfort

Maybe I'll do it on toast . No , not a tablespoon .

Mark Spence

We like Oscar there is no way you're going to put a spoon of maulmite inside your mouth .

Ray Comfort

Don't ruin it .

Oscar Navarro

If it's like a thing that people eat , I will try it once Very common Ray , didn't you do that challenge once ?

Ray Comfort

I did it to Trevor upstairs and I actually filmed him and I felt terrible . And now you want to do it to Oscar . No , you guys are doing it to Oscar Because Trevor did boast and he said I can handle it .

Oscar Navarro

I didn't say I can handle it , I'm just saying . What I mean is that if this is something that people regularly do in New Zealand , I want to try it .

Emeal Zwayne

It's not hot . Okay , so we're basically your hit men , oscar in New Zealand .

Ray Comfort

That's good . You like that what ?

Mark Spence

is the difference with Vegemite and Marmite ?

Ray Comfort

Vegemite is the Australian version of Marmite . That's all it is .

Oscar Navarro

It's inferior , it is .

Ray Comfort

It's inferior . Is it more bitter ? No , it's just not as good .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , rachel loves to have a little Marmite on taste . Yeah , all right , friends , we have a comment . This is from you know where ?

Ray Comfort

the name came from Marmite . Yeah , someone says , can you give me a sandwich ? I want something on it . And this kid said , well , marmite . So stupid , it is pathetic . It's pathetic , all right .

Emeal Zwayne

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Ray Comfort

That's clever . Thank you , ray .

Emeal Zwayne

Mark , Oscar and Easy .

Ray Comfort

Thank you so long you .

Emeal Zwayne

Teal Glory . Thank you so much , Fran .

Ray Comfort

We should read that every time ,

Stealing and Celebrity Shoplifting Thrills

Ray Comfort

every podcast .

Emeal Zwayne

Cheshire , C-H-E-S-H-E-R-C .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , thank you so much .

Mark Spence

That is really really good .

Emeal Zwayne

I wonder if ChadGPT wrote that . Oh boy , what's funny with ChadGPT is when it tries to use humor . You know , like it like tries to be funny with you , as it's telling you stuff . Very creepy . All right , Fran this podcast is brought to you by Tough Questions , also available on MP4 . Digital format you get five sessions in the physical format , approximately 12 , five minutes each on three DVDs , and you get all kinds of good stuff . You get answers to Tough Questions . You also get 400 gospel tracks that tackle Tough Questions as well . Make sure to check it out , along with the Living Waters Mug and the Avenue Study Bible , all at LivingWaterscom .

Oscar Navarro

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Ray Comfort

And don't do anything dangerous .

Oscar Navarro

Well , okay , yeah , use discretion , or don't Sue Oscar .

Emeal Zwayne

All right , friends , today we're talking about why stealing has become so fashionable . There are a few things in life to me that are as nasty as stealing . You guys ever see one of these Onions ? Well yeah , those are worse . Yes , for sure . If you guys ever see those videos where a celebrity gets caught stealing you remember , was it Wynonna Ryder ? Yeah , yeah , clothes , wynonna Ryder .

Oscar Navarro

She's one of your friends .

Emeal Zwayne

She's driving like a $100,000 car and she's stealing clothes With the thrill of it . What's behind that ?

Ray Comfort

Oh , there's a , there's a , there's a , there's a , there's a Chutes .

Mark Spence

I think there's a thrill attached to it as well . I mean . I think there is a thrill attached to it . When I was in high school , I used to go inside of department stores and I would steal things with the alarm attached to it . Still , Is that what it's called Plastic thing ? Yeah , a little plastic . It looked like this , the annoying thing Only to see if I could return it the next day To get past security through the beep , beep , beep , beep . Seriously , yeah , can I get out of the store and then can I return it .

Emeal Zwayne

Mark , you're in . You're in textiles for a while Textiles .

Ray Comfort

What stage that I ?

Mark Spence

knew you guys wouldn't know what that was Texas .

Emeal Zwayne

But no , you were . You were . You used to sell clothes at Millers Outpost Millers Outpost .

Oscar Navarro

Remember those commercials , mark , remember those commercials around .

Emeal Zwayne

There was that guy with like the big red mustache . Remember , they do those commercials Millers Outpost .

Mark Spence

I don't . Is that the Marlboro man ?

Oscar Navarro

It looks like you stole that outfit from Millers Outpost .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , I got this in England .

Emeal Zwayne

Marlboro man died of cancer , mark . Is this a ? Is this a ?

Ray Comfort

wait what the Marlboro man died of lung cancer .

Emeal Zwayne

Did he have a cartoon ?

Ray Comfort

Yeah , no , no , the real guy .

Emeal Zwayne

Oh , he really did . Yeah , he actually smoked . Yeah , whatever happened to the camel ?

Oscar Navarro

You get rid of that hump issue .

Ray Comfort

One hump or two , yeah the hump issue .

Emeal Zwayne

How'd they come up with that name for those cigarettes ?

Ray Comfort

Camel . That's a good one . It's obviously appealing , mark , oh , they're trying to reach Arabs .

Emeal Zwayne

Is it work ? I like to drink the camel cigarettes . I typed in 50 celebrities who were busted for shoplifting or celebrities busted for shoplifting .

Mark Spence

I'd get someone from Tesla , railroadjacks or a part of the business who's had a mental Well . I typed in celebrities busted for shoplifting and there's a lot . Yeah , is your name on the list ? Uh , I'm not there , mark .

Emeal Zwayne

I'm trying to get this answer , please . Yeah , uh , is it a myth that those things that you mentioned they would put on the you know like expensive clothing items ? You know that you have to have a tool to take it off with . Yeah , you can get that at the Swamp Meadow , but no , is it true ? There's ink , that's right . If you break those , ink will go on the clothing .

Mark Spence

Yes , uh , but look at , there's a workaround , so you can get a , you can get a tool . Don't tell them to work around . Yeah , but what ? We used to do is we would get a bag and we would line it with aluminum foil and duct tape and nobody could see the aluminum foil or the duct tape . And then you'd put in the items with the things attached to it and you'd walk right out and the alarms would not .

Emeal Zwayne

Mark , yeah , it's pretty bad .

Mark Spence

Seriously , Is that how they would do it ? That's .

Ray Comfort

I told somebody it does . Well , let's just say don't do it , don't do it . Why is Ray leaving ? The table going out to the store . I didn't want to . From why is he okay ? Because I didn't want to take it with me .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , Um , but yeah it's .

Oscar Navarro

it's crazy , you're still anything in your uh heathen days .

Emeal Zwayne

You know I was . I was a little big thief . But before I share my story , Mark , I have to be honest . I'm surprised you were a thief , because Just for the thrill , but like I said , I'd return . I know , but you , you would strike me as someone who was more cautious , because some of the stuff you refrained from when you were in high school that others indulged in , I just would have figured you . We don't want to get caught or busted or in trouble , but you were you were a big fat .

Mark Spence

Yeah , I mean , I wasn't a , I wasn't a sexually deviant person , but I , my mind , would One or another ways and maybe be covetous and um , did you , did you ever like envision yourself being like a big , like heist ? Yeah , I mean , I wanted to be a con man .

Ray Comfort

You wanted to be a con man , I wanted to be a con man , con With .

Emeal Zwayne

Man Uh , we don't know what a man is anymore . That's right , yeah , right .

Mark Spence

Seriously , mark . Yeah , that's kind of how reason why I got into sleight of hand and magic and things of that nature .

Emeal Zwayne

No , Like the uh , catch me if you can , guy . That's a based on a true story I know and that blows my mind . What , how in the world that guy actually pulled off not just becoming a doctor Lawyer , but he was the head doctor over all these other doctor pilot he was I think it was a pilot , a lawyer and a doctor , but he actually passed the bar in real life .

Oscar Navarro

He actually passed .

Ray Comfort

Seriously yeah . Who's saying so what ?

Oscar Navarro

is he in jail ? No , well , he did get caught , but then he got out early on , good whatever , and he started working for the FBI to catch other people .

Emeal Zwayne

Well , he was really young when he did all that , and then they realized this guy's a genius and he can become an actor ?

Mark Spence

Did he really Leonardo DiCaprio ? That was funny .

Emeal Zwayne

Um , before I answer you , also right Were , were you ever a thief ?

Ray Comfort

Oh yes , as a kid , yeah , I used to steal apples from my neighbors .

Emeal Zwayne

That's the only story I've ever heard you tell about your theft days .

Ray Comfort

No , I used to use an eel spear to spear the apples and pull them back on a piece of string under a hedge Eel spear . Yeah , I was for spearing eels . You know what eels are ? Uh-huh , yeah , I used to spear them with an eel spear . Okay , and I'd spear the apples and pull them back . And also we we'd build tree houses and raid all the orchards around the era . We had a map of all the orchards and I just cried last night . I thought about it

Confessions of Former Thieves

Ray Comfort

. We used to strip trees . We'd group of us again , just tree full apples . We'd just strip the whole tree and I thought somebody's been growing those apples and I did that . I felt terrible . Wow , you are a thief right . And also I did steal an eraser from a store once and I got onto the sidewalk and felt so guilty , how to take it back , and it took more courage to take it back than to steal it .

Emeal Zwayne

Wow , I was terrible , so , so that I mean not to minimize it . It was stealing , it was , it was wicked and evil , but so it was just the apples , though , and the and those well , just the apples , and the eraser .

Ray Comfort

The eraser yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

You never did any other kind of store stealing .

Ray Comfort

Well , I had a friend we used to go surfing and we stopped once and I went into buy something and he said grab that potato chip bag and rattle it . I said , well , he wanted to steal something over here and had me rattling the bag so he could steal it Whatever . I felt terrible about that .

Mark Spence

Oh , you're kidding , it was a distraction . I think , Is that very common , yeah , yeah , very common Work in tandem . We were taught that in Lost Prevention Somebody would do something over there . They cause a big commotion . You'd even have a couple that would fight . Everybody naturally looks over to that commotion and then he actually happens over there . That's awful .

Oscar Navarro

You gave me a metaphor for plagiarism . What's that which is stealing ? Because it's like somebody else does all the work to grow the fruit and then you just come along and take it . Yeah , that's true . I felt terrible .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , oscar , were you a little tiny thief .

Oscar Navarro

Um , I had a stint , did you really ? Yeah , so say that again , you won't . I had a stint of stealing . I actually never , really honestly didn't .

Ray Comfort

The stint is what you get in your bladder . When you've got no , you know what I did .

Oscar Navarro

I worked at a computer place and right around that time we started like they started developing the first iPods .

Ray Comfort

And you're not going to incriminate yourself , are you ?

Oscar Navarro

It's been long enough , I think . They say seven months , right . So there was like iPods and stuff , and the way I would do it is like in lost prevention , you call it rocks in a box . I was a manager at the time , and so what I would do is I would , someone would buy something and we would , you know , as a form of service , we would like take it to their home in the box . And so what I would do is I would take the box that they bought , let's say they bought a new computer . I would take it to the back and I'd fill the box up with brand new iPods and then I'd seal it back up and I'd take it and while I was in the car I'd open the box and take out all the iPods and leave them in my car and then deliver the item to people and then I would sell those iPods on eBay . You never got busted doing that . I got really close , Uh , cause there there was somebody else stealing out of the warehouse as well , and so they launched this investigation . They had some guy come in and and do all these interviews and one day he sat down and he was like I know you're one of them , I know you're stealing . And I was like I'm not , I'm not , you know . And then he ended up catching the guy in the back . And he ended up not catching me , Did he ?

Emeal Zwayne

apologize to you . No , it was like it was all right .

Oscar Navarro

No cause he still thought that I was like it was . It was , but I I got away with it . I felt I mean , this is , you know , obviously before I was a Christian and I had never I didn't need the money . It was kind of the same thing . It was like the thrill , I don't know what it was , it was . I was doing really well , you know like I was a manager at this place and I was doing good financially , and it was just because I wanted to see if I can outsmart the system . I am so thankful , though , cause , had I gotten caught , I was stealing well over the amount that is a prosecution amount it would have been a felony right it would have been a felony and like I mean , how different my life would have been with a felony on my record . It's amazing .

Ray Comfort

We had not be sitting there , we'd be talking to ourselves . Yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

I often think about . You know , what would have happened if , if certain things had triggered in my life , you know , and the Lord didn't save me when he did . But yeah , you know , my , my thievery began in Lebanon when I was a little boy . I went into a little , you know , I was a little boy Kind of liquor store type of place in our hit a hookah in my jacket , uh , and I stole a pack of gum and I I rolled it in in the uh , in the waistband of my , my little sweat pants and we went and my mom caught me . She did , yeah , and she took it back . We went and she gave it and man it was . It was one of those days Like basically we , you know , in Lebanon , you just go visiting neighbor to neighbor , you don't like call and ask you , just that's what you do , and I think we would go from place to place and she would tell them what I did , and again and again , and again . I just remember it , just like it haunted me .

Ray Comfort

She told them with shame .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , like what I did and and you know , berated me again in front of them . You know it was just the way they raised kids back then , you know and that was deliberate , to make sure you didn't do it again . Make sure I learned the lesson .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , you never steal chewing gum .

Emeal Zwayne

Uh , just chewing gum , only chewing gum . I didn't see cars .

Oscar Navarro

Yeah , all that's a mistake .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , one time when I stole a car , there was chewing gum in it .

Oscar Navarro

So I went back , gave it to the owners and then took off the car .

Emeal Zwayne

Chained yourself but yeah . But then you know , as as I got deeper into sin , as I grew up and became a teenager , yeah , I started stealing stealing from Chick Sporting Goodalaw . I'd steal from the supermarkets . One time I stole a whole carton of cigarettes and just stuffed it down my pants and walked out the door and I went back and tried to apologize to that supermarket . I said , hey , I stole from you guys when you became a Christian . Yeah , after I've got saved , and they're like , uh , okay , like they were just perplexed that someone did that , you know .

Mark Spence

You know that Oshman's Sporting Good Store by your brother's uh uh gas station there in Westminster . I , yeah , when I became a Christian , I returned things that I stole to the ? Uh the manager , and it was a pair of ski goggles , uh ski boots and uh ski boots , ski boots , yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

How did you steal ski ?

Oscar Navarro

boots as you walked out . No , I came in wearing these .

Mark Spence

Well , I was going to steal a bunch of skis literal skis , like six pairs of skis . I started walking out and one of the managers started walking in and you know , but I , but I was . I felt so bad , you know I . I returned it , I , I . I laid him down on the table . I go , I want to return these , and he's like you have a receipt , and I go no , I , I , I don't have a receipt . You don't understand ? Oh well , listen , you don't have a receipt , I can't give you cash back . I go , I go , no , like I , just I need to return these . He's all I can do is give you cash , credit or a store store credit my friend that was with me who wasn't a Christian he goes take it , that'll work , and I and . I walked away and that was it .

Ray Comfort

Uh , I actually you didn't tell him what happened , or you would have gathered it .

Mark Spence

I at that point , I just walked away . Yeah .

Oscar Navarro

Here's what's crazy , talking about the way things work , is that when I first met my wife's dad , I had to apologize him because I stole his daughter's heart .

Mark Spence

A worse theft you know it's hard to explain why theft is wrong to a burglar Because they take things so literal yeah .

Emeal Zwayne

So guys uh yeah , exodus 2015, . As we're continuing to look at some of these commandments you shall not steal . It's become a massive , massive problem today . You guys

Emeal Zwayne

know this . I was talking to Rachel about it the other day , recently in Los Angeles , here there was a big mob that went into a Nordstrom's and just absolutely pillaged the whole place . It's happened more than once now . Yeah , it's . It's become a thing that these big mobs like 50 , 100 people they call it mob thieving something like that . And they'll go into . You know , they'll organize it , they'll go into a place and they'll decimate it . They'll just take everything . And the issue now is that is security guards aren't doing anything about it . Stores aren't instructing their security guards not to do anything . Police officers aren't even coming to the calls anymore .

Ray Comfort

Is it because there's so many people ? It's like a war , I think it's .

Emeal Zwayne

it's that and it's this whole political correctness thing . Yeah , I was watching a video of a guy who went behind a counter at a CVS . Like he's behind the counter , the employees are right there with him and he's just putting stuff in a bag , no problem . One of the employees was on the phone with with 911 describing him and telling him he's like man . And then he goes around the counter and he's getting more stuff and then this customer says hey , stop it . And he starts throwing these bananas at a customer . Ray would have loved that .

Ray Comfort

What a difference , though , because when I was a kid did anything happen from the easiest day as a finished story and then he just left . Yeah , I needed to hear that . Thank you , let's go .

Oscar Navarro

Uh , when I . What a difference , though . In response , when I was a kid , like I grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood . I remember there's this girl down the street , crystal . Her uncle was like the nicest guy . He would always come outside and talk to us and throw a football round or whatever . And one day the burger stand down the street , uh , burglistan burglar stand . Uh got robbed and the cops surrounded it and had their guns out . And it was him . He went in there to rob it with a gun . Yeah , it was , it was my friend , crystal's uncle and we were all like we . We all found out , like we're all in the street . We found out . They arrested him . But like the response that one guy would walk into a burger joint and rob it . And now these mobs go into Nordstrom , steal everything and everyone's like yeah , two later .

Ray Comfort

No , it's unreal . Is he having an uncle that robbed things ? It was my aunt , my aunt robbed banks , four banks . She did two years .

Oscar Navarro

Oh yeah , let's talk about that Right she got two years .

Emeal Zwayne

Two years in prison , yeah , uh . It's becoming really bad because a lot of these stores are starting to pull out of different areas . I had a store that was robbed Really .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , it was called Leather Gear . That's when I used to make leather jackets for people and I had , uh , 13 burglaries in one one year . Oh , and it was because I was between a hotel , a boozer and this halfway house . That's where I was right in the middle of them and I wrote a note and it said on the door dear burglars , yeah , since I've been here , I've had 12 burglaries and I put a line through it 13 . Because after I put that sign up , I got another one . The local newspaper um took a picture of it , put it in the paper , so I got a lot of publicity from it and got more burglaries after that ?

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah Right , this is the guy who does nothing . Okay , he does have a luck on his door . You know when , when I was living in Westminster , I told you guys that my family bought a fourplex apartment building .

Mark Spence

This is going to be a long story .

Emeal Zwayne

Very , it sounds like it , and we all and we all lived next to each other . So anyway , they kept coming in and breaking in . One night , my uncle . He was lying in bed and he saw someone in his window trying to come in . So he put this note on the window and it said dear thief , you may succeed in getting in , but you will not succeed in getting out it stopped after that .

Ray Comfort

Oh , that that that'd be a good . That's clever . That'd be a good sign to sin around the people .

Oscar Navarro

Yeah , you know I . I think it's important to recognize again the way that Jesus comes onto the scene and turns the volume up on things like the tank mammoths , especially theft , and I love the way the Heidelberg Catechism applies theft question 10 110 in the Heidelberg catechism states what does God forbid in the eighth commandment ? And here's the full answer . And just listen to the depth in which these Theologians expanded this to make sure that they were covering their bases . God forbids not only those thefts and robberies which are punishable by the magistrate that's what we've been talking about but he comprehends under the name of theft all wicked tricks and devices whereby we design to appropriate to ourselves the goods which belong to our neighbor , whether it be by force , under appearance of right or by ingest weights , ails , measures , fraudulent merchandise , false coins , usury or by any other way . Forbidden by God also , all covetedness , all abuse and all waste of his gifts .

Emeal Zwayne

Wow , you know , uh , man , oscar , that's so good . We just so tend to look at things on the surface , you know , and we apply this commandment to yeah , you just take something that wasn't someone else's , you go into a store and you steal something . But that can happen on so many different fronts and subtle ways like that aren't just weights .

Ray Comfort

In a store they can just secure a , a penny , a cent under a weight , and so that everything they weigh for the next year just weighs that tiny little bit more . So they make money from it and , and that says god , unjust weights and abomination to the lord .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , unjust weights and scales . They're detestable to the lord and and and and it can happen again in so many different ways . It's interesting the coin thing . You know , one of the things I used to do when I was a kid is I would create what we're called slugs . You ever heard of slugs ? Did that ever work for you at day it's ? It worked at a vending machine at a gas station . So we would take , we would take like a nickel and we would pound it out to the size of a quarter and and you know , and then we and then we would use it in and vending machines and get I never thought that worked .

Mark Spence

That's interesting .

Ray Comfort

Oh boy , I'll tell you . I'll tell you a moment where , like the , unjust weights .

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Oscar Navarro

Really was a conviction for me is when we were selling our first home , the realtor asked about all you know the the things that were going on with the house and we were like there was just a leak . We patched it up . We think it's patched , but it hasn't rained since and she was like okay , well , if the inspector doesn't find it , it doesn't . It didn't happen and I was like no , no , I don't feel right about that , you know I just it didn't sit well with me . I incorrectly worked there . In a sudden we got to Green do wake up . I didn't get quiet .

Ray Comfort

It was just fantastic .

Emeal Zwayne

I do not feel like the meetings went wrong . I felt like it was an upset , so I didn't really insist that it was provided as yet , but we could check the haul for sure and plan it out , chart bad quality material and just did a really shoddy job by cutting corners and at the end they were told hey , this is your house .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , oh , that's good . I was giving them as a gift . I think that's in the evidence Bible .

Emeal Zwayne

Oh , that's right . Maybe that's what I thought , but think of that , you know , it's like wait the evidence Bible on livingwaterscom .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , and then it relates it back to you . You build your life cheaply and God says it's yours .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , you know , that's good , that's right . Well , you know . It says in 1 Corinthians 610 , we're talking about the list of of sins that exempt someone from the kingdom . It says nor thieves , nor covetous , nor drunkards , nor vile , nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God . And then in Ephesians 4 , 28, . It says let him who stole steal no longer , but rather let him labor , working with his hands what is good , that he may have something to give him who has need . Isn't it amazing how the Lord flips it on its head , mark right , it's like before you're saved , you're stealing . God says look , don't just not steal , but do what the opposite of stealing is Give away what belongs to you to bless other people .

Mark Spence

Yeah , you know it's more blessed to give than to receive , so it just keeps on going Right . If , if you can be a giver , you're not going to hold things tight in this planet . It's really that simple , you guys . You know we we talk about when we're sharing the gospel with people and before we do so , we go through the law . When we talk about lying , right , there's white lies , exaggerations , half truths and fibs . Are there other things ? Well , how do you break down stealing when you are sharing the gospel with people ? How does that ? How does that practically come out ?

Emeal Zwayne

Well , Ray , go ahead .

Ray Comfort

You're going to save If you've taken anything that belongs to somebody else , irrespective of its value , because people tend to say well , I just took this and I see you open my wallet and take $1 out here as much as a thief , as if you took $10 out . God's not impressed with the amount or the worth of the thing that you stole and they go . Yeah , you're right , never thought of that .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , I love it when you , when you , when they say I just took something as small , and you say , oh , like a diamond , that's my favorite .

Mark Spence

You know there's people . When people say you know , I've never stolen anything , I said , well , you steal God's oxygen every day without giving him thanks , and Romans one says that that there's a people that are thankless , you know they're not thankful for the food and the oxygen and the people and the sunrise and all the things that are virtuous around them that God has blessed them . You know it rains on the just and the unjust alike , but God also gives blessings on the just and the unjust alike , you know .

Emeal Zwayne

I think what often surprises me is how surprised people are when and it's happened to all of us when you get the wrong change and you give it back , you say , oh , you gave me , you gave me too much , and it makes the news , yeah , and they're like whoa , seriously , wow , thank you . Like no one does that , you know , kind of thing . And again , it's a joy to do that , isn't it ? Oh , I love it , yeah .

Oscar Navarro

Yeah , Even if it's I love it when you give me back your change .

Emeal Zwayne

Even if it's 10 cents or whatever it's just like , and the clarity of conscience , in fact . You know it's funny because there's there have been times when Rachel will go to the store and then she'll discover that something was not she wasn't charged for something on the receipt . You know , I mean just it just so happened . She looked at the receipt and then realized that so recently it happened . She went back to the store and gave them the stuff . That's why I don't look at the receipts .

Mark Spence

Yeah , I was just going to say do you guys look at receipts or is just is ?

Ray Comfort

that a woman thing , because my wife goes over to the receipt like a , she just cheeks it out .

Emeal Zwayne

You know , I bet we have . Yeah , I bet there's a lot we've been charged for that we shouldn't have been or whatever , but but you know it's . It's again amazing how they're just like , they're in disbelief , like what . You brought this back , huh , and they get . They're almost confused for a second . Bring the storm Andrew . Yeah like you're almost going to get in trouble for bringing it back and how do we deal with this ?

Oscar Navarro

You know , I was thinking about , like , why ? Why do we steal ? And I think , I think the point that you guys are making is so good , which is that ultimately , we're all guilty of this because our , our framing of ownership is so entrenched in Western culture . We think that everything we have is because I own it , I deserve it , it is mine . But when you read the scriptures , the things that are in your possession are not yours , they're of the lords . And he , he goes as far as saying , like if you treat everything as though you deserve it , you are stealing . He , you know , in the scriptures it talks about like when a farmer farms his land , to take only what he needs and to leave the rest to be gleaned for others . So it's like it goes so far as to say we think like generosity , is this extension of something wonderful ? But the scriptures treat generosity as is like a no-duh , like if you're not , you're ultimately stealing what doesn't belong to you . And so you think , like , why do we steal ? Um , I came up with three reasons . Uh , we steal because we fear we don't have enough . Why does a pastor plagiarize ? Cause he feels like he doesn't have enough intelligence . Why do we , uh , steal ? Because we feel like we feel insecure , we need security or comfort or we need acceptance , right . In other words , we steal because we don't trust the Lord . Why do we steal ? Because we believe that we are owed more than what we currently have ? In other words , we steal because we are prideful .

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Oscar Navarro

Or the last one I came up with is why do we steal ? Why , because we envy others for their portion . We look and we go man God . Why ? Why don't I have that ? Why don't I have what he has ? Why don't I have the reputation , the acceptance , the car , the house , the life that that person has ? And and ultimately , we envy , which lacks a love for our neighbor . No , because if we love your neighbor , we'd be grateful for what they have , right ? No , and so ultimately , we steal because we lack faith and we that's something like as I put it . That way , I come under the conviction of God's law , because as he searches my heart , he will reveal a thief in me .

Emeal Zwayne

Wow , you know , ray , it really does trace its route back to covetousness , doesn't it ?

Ray Comfort

And to lack of the fear of the Lord . Because if you believe , the eyes of the Lord is in every place . Behold and evil and the good . You wouldn't touch anything that belonged to somebody else . You wouldn't even think of it , wouldn't covet it . You get people say , yeah , you shall . What say ? My wife and 15 kids are all starving to death . Yes , you know , can I steal something to feed them , bread for them . And I said , well , why wouldn't you steal ? Just go to local church and they'll help you out , the government , they'll give you food stamps . You don't have to steal . And if you do steal , God says you pay back fourfold . Is it fourfold ?

Oscar Navarro

Seven times Sevenfold Sevenfold .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , go seven .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , eight Sold Nine-ten .

Mark Spence

John Piper said are you awake and free from the false messages of American merchandising , or has the omnipresent economic lie deceived you so that the only sin you can imagine in relation to money is stealing ? You guys don't have a clue what I just said .

Emeal Zwayne

I do , I do ABRL .

Oscar Navarro

It's DEPA . He just said what I said , but better .

Mark Spence

Parvres tend to ill-gotten treasures have no lasting value .

Ray Comfort

Because they bring you that guilt , don't they ?

Emeal Zwayne

Ray , was it you that did that thing where you asked people on the streets ? Or was it you , mark ? I can't remember one of you where you'd said I'll take the credit If there was a tunnel or something where you could go into your neighbor's house .

Mark Spence

Oh , that's right , that's in our video , our film .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , it's one of them . Is it Noah or the other one ?

Emeal Zwayne

Genius , I don't know . Do you remember it , ray ? Can you share it ?

Ray Comfort

I think I can . If you knew you could get into a bank and steal from the bank that's what it was and get a million dollars and they wouldn't know about it because they've got billions in the bank Would you do it Absolutely ?

Oscar Navarro

Yeah , would see address .

Ray Comfort

And then would you take someone's life . If some wood-o says my husband's a rat , I hate him , I want you to kill him . I'll give you a million dollars just to drop the sarsenik in his coffee when I'm distracting him , would you do it ? And a number of people said yes , and one guy says I don't know . I says 10 million , so I'd do it . Is that tax free ? Yeah , it's tax free , isn't ?

Mark Spence

it interesting .

Oscar Navarro

Oh wait , tax free .

Emeal Zwayne

Hmm , Stop it , man . Who was it Churchill was asked about ? Well , he asked the lady , or something . There's something about a lady and about like .

Mark Spence

Oh boy , we can go on . What was it ? What was it ? A man ? Was it Toronto ?

Ray Comfort

I don't know . I remember that story . It was a great story .

Emeal Zwayne

Churchill or Pee Wee Herman .

Ray Comfort

It was Churchill .

Emeal Zwayne

No , no , but remember he like some lady , he offered Just stop .

Ray Comfort

Yeah , I was going to say what he said . John , I'm not going to lie you point you play elderly .

Mark Spence

Okay , this is important , maybe somebody else should speak right now , while you gather your thoughts .

Oscar Navarro

It's like he's going to turn in that guy . That just gives you a bunch of random facts that have new stories . He was six , one but five 10 when he got back from the war . My brain is jello .

Emeal Zwayne

No , it was just some lady and he talked about giving her money for whatever , and he's .

Ray Comfort

Oh , that's exactly what that was making , the point that we're just negotiating the price .

Oscar Navarro

Yeah , would you sleep with me ?

Ray Comfort

for a dollar . What sort of woman do you think I am ? We've already established that , madam . We're just negotiating the price .

Mark Spence

Yeah , that's right , Because it was yeah , yeah , would you sleep with me for a million dollars ? Yes , oh , would you sleep with me for a dollar ?

Ray Comfort

No , no , it was a big start off a million , then a dollar , and then what sort of yeah , what would you do for a million ?

Emeal Zwayne

Yes , of course you do for a dollar . What kind of way ? Yeah , that's right .

Oscar Navarro

Remember that one time that was great Easy .

Emeal Zwayne

I'm so glad you brought it up .

Mark Spence

This is the way Ray easy started it off . It's like do you remember that one time we did that one thing and that one place with those one people ?

Oscar Navarro

The guy . The guy had a face . Do you remember ? The guy had a face .

Mark Spence

Completely vague . I think there was a guy . Was it a guy ? I don't remember , see , that's why .

Emeal Zwayne

I make up like I call people . Remember Shabang zone by the gun ZZ . I just my brain . It just doesn't . We know the way it used to .

Ray Comfort

You're done explaining anything easy .

Emeal Zwayne

Any of this , okay . Look look at the beauty of this , though , when the Lord transforms a heart . Luke 19 , 8, . Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord Look , lord , I give half of my goods to the poor , and if I've taken anything from anyone by false accusation , I restore fourfold . Isn't that beautiful , so good . What are you guys doing ? What are you guys doing ? We dropped this cat .

Mark Spence

I dropped my cat .

Emeal Zwayne

Squirrel Squirrel . We're just doing a podcast that's going around the world . Let's play with bottle caps . He ain't running like bottle caps . You should be squeezing that chicken that Ken Ham gave you right . No , don't give me ideas . Oh boy , okay , what verse did ?

Ray Comfort

I read what was it about ? It was Luke . 19 was a key . Verse you didn't say which chapter I think of verse two , Luke 19 , verse two , I think no , verse 12 or something further on when he said Behold Lord , I'll give half my goods and if I've wronged anyone I'll pay back full fond , because he knew the law . And it was fruit of repentance . And that's what we should bring forth fruit of repentance , evidence that we're soundly saved by what we do .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , we've done that podcast on Zacchaeus , but how beautiful would it have been , huh , to behold that .

Ray Comfort

Oh yeah . To have watched it like the exuberant joy like because that's what God did , the better his voice even changed .

Emeal Zwayne

Oh , I know he probably went from like this deep voice to like .

Ray Comfort

No it wasn't the thing of that , a voice that reeked with sincerity . Oh , that's what it was . He probably was a text collector saying give me your money . And then he said Behold , Lord , I'll give half my goods to the poor .

Emeal Zwayne

Right , you need to record the evidence . By Lord , do you whisper ?

Oscar Navarro

it .

Emeal Zwayne

Behold Lord . Yeah , but that transformation , like I talked about with me when I wanted to go back , mark , you took back the ski boots Again , again . Please tell me how you stole those . I just walked right out wearing them . No , just on my hand . Just what ? No , didn't the alarm go off ? No , all right .

Mark Spence

So there was a manager . I can't bring all this in because it's your brother's gas station , frank's gonna beat you up I didn't take anything from your brother's gas station . I just want to let you know that .

Ray Comfort

So didn't an alarm go off ? No In your mind . No In your mind .

Mark Spence

His conscience was dead . There was a manager that was stealing from that Oshman's sporting goods store . I actually wrote a letter to Oshman's , apologizing to them and telling them but they are out of business when they want .

Ray Comfort

It was the ski boots .

Mark Spence

It was the straw that broke the camel's back . But there was a manager that was stealing and my friend that worked at your brother's gas station said hey , there's a manager over there stealing and I think we can get away with stealing if we go over there . I'm gonna call him out . So I went over there and said , hey , I know that you're stealing and you're not gonna say anything when I take something . And manager walked away and he gave it a try . And then we went over there and it was like that Nordstrom smash and grab sort of thing , no way . And I grabbed ahold of and I grabbed ahold of about six pairs of skis , snow skis , and I started to walk out and , as I was walking out , like all of the managers and like execs started walking in and I went . Okay , I went and I put them out on the corner and I walked away and that was it . Wow , it was bad .

Ray Comfort

Mark , now you got to bring it back to a positive end of me . Yeah , really , we're just sinners .

Emeal Zwayne

Man , that's just perplexing .

Oscar Navarro

Well , here . So Diadone Tomfoo , professor at Bethlehem College , says this the apostle Paul warned the church that if robbers do not repent , God will rob them of the pleasure of robbery by withholding the kingdom from them forever . Looters will soon greet looming eternal destruction unless they repent , and that is the good news for anybody that has taken what doesn't belong to them is that by repenting and submitting your life to Christ , you get all that you've ever needed , which is Christ .

Mark Spence

Do you recommend people doing what we did and if you can't return the item , come and clean . I mean , we have innumerable amount of sins in our BC days . How many times and how many people do we go up to to confess ? That's a good question .

Oscar Navarro

I think that you need to be . I don't think that . I think it's nearly impossible and you can even maybe cause more harm than good if you go through every single thing you did from the day you were born . But I think that's something that you need to allow the Holy Spirit to guide you . For me , it was the relationship that I had with that girl who ended up leaving the faith . I felt that conviction to go and apologize to her parents and to her family and if a listener , you haven't heard that I've talked about that on a previous podcast . So listen to all of them and then tell us which one it was . But yeah , I think that you need to sort of submit yourself to the way the Spirit leads you , wouldn't you say easy .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , I agree . I think it's individual and I think the Lord will put his finger on those things by conviction that you need to address . Ray , why are you looking up to this guy ?

Ray Comfort

I was just trying to think how can I return those apples from 63 years ago ? Well , we're going to New .

Emeal Zwayne

Zealand . So if you remember , I don't know who they were . They'll be talking for a while . Well , we'll take a few hundred cases of apples Give them out .

Mark Spence

Well , here in America the apples are hanging over the fence under your yard . You get access to these ?

Ray Comfort

Yeah , that's fine , that's true . Are you allowed to pull the branch across ?

Emeal Zwayne

Just keep the whole branch , pull the whole tree over , uproot it . Yeah Well , friends , that's it . Don't steal and be tender of conscience , of thinking through the things that you could steal that may not be physical , like time , like squandering the gifts that God has given you , as Oscar mentioned earlier in what he read .

Ray Comfort

And withholding tithes .

Emeal Zwayne

Yeah , exactly , not giving to the Lord from the first fruits of your increase and recognize that . Remember , as we talked about before , stealing is wrong because God is not a thief , and so he's given us that command that we might emulate him and walk in his ways . All right , friends , there you have it . Don't forget livingwaterscom has everything you need , including tough questions . Don't forget the Living Waters podcast , evidence , study Bible and all that other good stuff . Remember comments , thoughts , questions , answers , bank account numbers all to podcastatlivingwaterscom Subscribe . I don't think I'm stealing . And yeah , and all that other good stuff . And have a good one , friends , make sure not to eat chutney or guacamole or pumpernickel bread or vener schnitzel . Thank you , what , oscar . I just can't believe you don't like guacamole . Don't even say that weird .

Ray Comfort

That's crazy . I like avocados . You're kidding me . I was excited , that's gross , disgusting guacamole .

Emeal Zwayne

Thank you for joining us , friends . We'll see you here next time on the Living Waters podcast . No wait Podcast the ultimate cure for guacamole and insomnia .