

      <h2 id="trusting-the-lord-s-plan-and-process"><a class="no-underline" href="#trusting-the-lord-s-plan-and-process">Trusting the Lord&#39;s Plan and Process</a></h2>


        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>1:04</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   think   you   have   to   trust   the   Lord&#39;s   plan   and   His   process .   You   know   we   are   all   growing   at   a   slower   rate   than   somebody   else   whoever   that   else   person   is   and   we   think   that   we   know   what   is   best   for   our   kids .   Remember ,   if   it&#39;s   not   a   sinful   act ,   then   you   need   to   just   let   it   be   what   it   is .   And   if   it   is   a   sinful   act ,   well ,   we   need   to   be   careful   on   how   we   address   that .   Maybe   not   address   it   like   they&#39;re   five   years   old   anymore .   Trust   the   process   and   trust   the   people   that   are   around   them .   So   I   think   that   we   just   need   to   be   careful   and   let   people   be   people .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>1:42</time>
      <p>
          If   we   homeschooled   our   kids ,   but   if   my   children   decide   to   put   their   kids   into   public   school   or   private   school   or   charter   school ,   it   is   what   it   is .   It&#39;s   just   going   to   be   different   on   how   I&#39;m   going   to   approach   them   and   their   situation .   I&#39;m   going   to   ask   more   questions ,   perhaps   when   my   grandchildren   are   inside   my   life ,   very   directed   questions ,   and   if   my   kids   are   able   to   listen   to   me ,   willing   to   listen   to   what   I   have   to   say ,   as   to   how   to   lead   them   and   correct   them   in   that   or   direct   them   in   that   situation   and   I   think   they   would   I   think   that .   I   think   it&#39;s   going   to   work   out .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>2:15</time>
      <p>
          You   know   it&#39;s   going   to   be   fine .   Especially ,   listen   if   it&#39;s   not   sin ,   it&#39;s   going   to   work   out .   If   it   is   sin ,   you   know   address   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:28</time>
      <p>
          Welcome   to   the   Living   Waters   Podcast ,   pick   one   and   one   only   game   where   we   pick   one   and   only   one .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>2:37</time>
      <p>
          How   many   do   we   pick   this   one ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>2:40</time>
      <p>
          Not   this   one .   All   right   guys .   Swimming   in   a   swimming   pool   full   of   milk   and   cereal .   Swimming   in   a   swimming   pool   full   of   milk   and   cereal .   Swimming   in   a   swimming   pool   full   of   hot   chocolate   and   giant   marshmallows ?   Ray   has   a   dilemma   now .   Swimming   in   a   swimming   pool .   I   thought   I   was   sick   Swimming   in   a   swimming   pool   full   of   French   onion   soup .   Mark   Spence .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>3:07</time>
      <p>
          I   love   French   onion   soup .   Whenever   I   find   a   restaurant   that   serves   French   onion   soup ,   I   just   gotta   try   it ,   no   matter   how   much .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:13</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;ve   been   there .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>3:15</time>
      <p>
          You   have   to   understand   Mark .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:17</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   still   trying   to   overcome   my   trauma   of   sitting   next   to   you   in   that   French   restaurant   Onions   and   water .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>3:25</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   face .   Like   three   different   types   of   cheeses .   I   can&#39;t   even .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:29</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   even   know   why   I   brought   it   up ,   because   it   irks   me   so   badly .   Why ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:32</time>
      <p>
          What&#39;s   your   problem   with   French   onion ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:34</time>
      <p>
          soup .   I&#39;ve   seen   you   eat   it   at   Mimi&#39;s   and   stuff ,   but   this   was   in .   France ,   it   was   extra   gross .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:40</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   know   what   it   was .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>3:41</time>
      <p>
          Why   do   you   hate   the   French   people ?   I   think   it   had   frog   legs   in   it   or   something ,   I   don&#39;t   know .   Lance   teaches   how   to   cook   it .   Oh ,   I   love   French   onion   soup .   Thank   you .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:48</time>
      <p>
          Ray ,   have   you   had   French   onion   soup ?   It   sounds   quite   nice .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>3:52</time>
      <p>
          Thank   you .   It&#39;s   like   a   thick   broth   with   onions   and   cheese .   It&#39;s   amazing .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>3:56</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   good   if   you   dip   Bread ,   sheep   wool   and   Sheep   wool .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:02</time>
      <p>
          That   is   bad   recovery .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:03</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   so   good ,   all   right ,   so   let&#39;s   get   away   from   that   so   okay ,   which   would   you   pick ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:08</time>
      <p>
          Number   one ,   obviously   Cereal .   Yeah ,   of   course ,   Milk   and   cereal .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:11</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   swimming   pool .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:12</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   biblical   Land   flowing   with   milk   and   manna   from   heaven ,   would   you   really   jump   into   it   and   swim   around   and   eat   the   cereal   while   you   swim ?   It   would   be   an   empty   pool .   I   would   go   with .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:25</time>
      <p>
          That   sounds   fun ,   though   actually   I   think   I&#39;d   go   with   the   hot   chocolate   or   the   chocolate ,   whatever   it   was   Ray .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:30</time>
      <p>
          think   of   that   hot   chocolate   with   marshmallows .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:32</time>
      <p>
          giant   ones   you   bite ,   yeah ,   but   it&#39;s   a   little   bit   sickly   after   a   while   Like   10   gallons   and   you   probably   had   enough   10   gallons .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:39</time>
      <p>
          You   only   get   sick   from   10   gallons   of   milk .   Yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>4:42</time>
      <p>
          Chocolate   milk .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:42</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   right .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:44</time>
      <p>
          Mark ,   I   would   pick   the   cereal   and   milk .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:49</time>
      <p>
          Probably .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>4:49</time>
      <p>
          Captain   Crunch   Berries   oh   yeah ,   oh ,   you&#39;re   going   to   pick   your   own   cereal   too .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>4:51</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   look   at   that   Oscar .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>4:52</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I&#39;d   go   chocolate .   You&#39;d   go   with   the   hot   chocolate .   I&#39;d   go   with   the   hot   chocolate ,   not   because   I   would   consume   a   ton   of   it ,   but   it   just   sounds   like   it   would   be   a   much   more   relaxing   experience .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:07</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   ray ,   it   wouldn&#39;t   be   hot   chocolate ,   it&#39;d   be   too   hot   to   swim   in .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:12</time>
      <p>
          That   would   be   like   a   hot   tub .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>5:14</time>
      <p>
          That   sounds   amazing ,   wouldn&#39;t   that   be   cool ?   What   a   great   subject .   Thanks   for   joining   us   today .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:19</time>
      <p>
          All   right ,   Speaking   of   chocolates ,   friends ,   and   I   know   that&#39;s   why   Oscar   chose   a   chocolate ,   but   actually   I   think   was   it   the   previous   episode   you   talked   about   you   guys   were   in   Switzerland .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>5:30</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   have   a   good   friend   who   Just   one   Miracles ,   just   one .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>5:36</time>
      <p>
          There   are   miracles .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>5:37</time>
      <p>
          I   have   a   friend   who   married   into   a   family .   We   jokingly   call   them   the   Swiss   Mafia   because   everywhere   we   go   it&#39;s   like   they   own   that   restaurant ,   they   own   that   chocolate   factory ,   they   own   that   vineyard   and   so   when   we   go ,   whenever   we&#39;re   in   Europe ,   we   try   to   step   over   to   Switzerland   to   hang   out   with   my   buddy ,   and   every   time   we   go   we   get   to   tour   a   chocolate   factory   and   they   take   you   from   like   the   pod .   I   don&#39;t   know ,   have   you   guys   ever   seen   a   chocolate   pod ,   or   the   pod   where   the   chocolate   comes   from .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:04</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;ve   seen   it   online ,   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>6:05</time>
      <p>
          It   looks   like   an   alien   thing .   They&#39;re   huge .   They&#39;re   huge ,   they&#39;re   the   size   of   a   football ,   and   you   crack   it   open   and   it&#39;s   gooey   and   white   on   the   inside .   That&#39;s   what   it   starts   as .   So   you   go   through   the   process   of   seeing   it   in   its   original   form   all   the   way   through   the   roasting ,   the   mulching ,   because   in   the   gooey   stuff   there&#39;s   seeds ,   right ,   exactly .   They   get   rid   of   the   goo ,   they   dry   it   out ,   and   then   they   take   the   pod   and   then   they   crack   it   open   and   there&#39;s   a   seed   on   the   inside ,   and   then   they   roast   the   seed   and   then   they   mulch .   There&#39;s   this   whole   process ,   and   afterwards   you   get   chocolate .   Who ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>6:40</time>
      <p>
          thought   of   this   there&#39;s   got   to   be   a   statue   to   like   Christopher   Chocolate .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>6:45</time>
      <p>
          Who   hatched   that   plot ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>6:46</time>
      <p>
          So   we   got   to   go   through   the   whole   process   and   make   our   own   chocolate ,   and   the   company   is   called   Lotterock .   They&#39;re   incredible ,   the   Christian   family   and   they&#39;re   like   the   Maserati   of   chocolate ,   though   you   have   to   eat   the   chocolate   within   45   days   of   production   or   they&#39;ll   destroy   it .   No   preservative .   No   preservative   is   no   sugar ,   what   it&#39;s   all   naturally   sweetened .   So   most   of   the   chocolate   we   get   here   is   all   like   there&#39;s   sugar   and   a   bunch   of   stuff   added   to   it   what ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:13</time>
      <p>
          do   they   use ?   What   kind   of   natural   it&#39;s ?   The   process   of   making   chocolate   naturally   creates   the   sugar ,   really ,   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>7:20</time>
      <p>
          Wow   Oscar .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:21</time>
      <p>
          Sir ,   what&#39;s   that ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>7:22</time>
      <p>
          over   there .   Yeah ,   why ?   This   is   the   chocolate   I   made .   I   made   this   chocolate .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:27</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   you   actually   made   that   there .   Yeah ,   do   you   see   the   smiley   face   I   tried   to   put   on ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:31</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   you&#39;re   serious ,   Look   at   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>7:33</time>
      <p>
          So ,   oscar ,   you   crushed   this   with   your   feet .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:35</time>
      <p>
          I   did ,   yeah ,   I   did   yeah ,   yeah ,   yeah ,   yeah ,   exactly ,   and   with   the   grapes .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>7:38</time>
      <p>
          So   why   is   it   sitting   there ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:40</time>
      <p>
          Oh .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:41</time>
      <p>
          I   just   wanted   to   show   you   guys   I&#39;m   driving   nuts .   I&#39;m   sitting   here   like .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:45</time>
      <p>
          Okay   now ,   when   you   showed   me   the   videos   and   pictures   from   that   place ,   it&#39;s   not   wild   it   seriously   looked   like   Willy   Wonka&#39;s   chocolate   factory .   I   mean ,   there   was   this   fountain   right   Of   like   rivers .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>7:55</time>
      <p>
          And   it&#39;s   all .   You   can   eat   chocolate   while   you&#39;re   there .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>7:58</time>
      <p>
          Look   at   Ray .   Get   on   with   it ,   Oscar .   Let   me   try   to   break   it   first .   The   swimming   pool   with   milk   has   just   gotten   Ray   all   stirred   up   today .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>8:05</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   why   I   chose   it .   It&#39;s   because   the   pool   was   amazing ,   oh   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>8:10</time>
      <p>
          That   noise   is   making   podcast   listeners   celebrate .   Mark ,   did   you   eat   chocolate ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>8:12</time>
      <p>
          when   you   were   in ?   Yeah ,   in   fact ,   I   brought   back   a   whole   bunch   of   chocolate   and   my   dog   ate   most   of   it   Are   I   had   a   bunch   of   chocolate   and   my   dog   ate   most   of   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>8:19</time>
      <p>
          Are   you   serious ?   I   was   so   upset   I   heard   dogs   can   die   from   chocolate .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>8:21</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   was   hoping   at   that   point .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>8:23</time>
      <p>
          All   right ,   here   goes   Fran .   No   chocolate   for   him .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>8:30</time>
      <p>
          No   chocolate   for   him ,   ben   hurt .   Oh ,   oscar ,   isn&#39;t   that   good .   Wait ,   that&#39;s   funny ,   there&#39;s   cereal   in   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>8:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   chose   to   put   cereal   in   it .   No   way   Did   you   get   some   of   the   cereal .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>8:43</time>
      <p>
          I   have   to   get   another .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>8:44</time>
      <p>
          And   then   there&#39;s   nuts   too .   The   nuts   are   caramelized   Really   good .   Oh   man ,   this   is   next   level .   Wow ,   Are   they   online ?   They   actually   just   opened   a   brick   and   mortar   in   San   Diego .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>8:56</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   going   on   vacation   with   my   family   next   week .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>8:58</time>
      <p>
          Are   you ?   You   should   go   to   the   Lotterock .   I&#39;m   going   to   find   where   it&#39;s   at .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:03</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   sure   our   listeners   are   absolutely   enjoying   that   sound   Ray   what   do   you   think   you   can   handle   the   podcast ?   I&#39;ll   just   talk .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:12</time>
      <p>
          You   know   what   I   like   about   it .   The   sweetness   is   not   overwhelming .   You   know   what   I   mean .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>9:19</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   oh ,   there&#39;s   a   Lotter   rockin&#39;   Cerritos   guys ,   no   way .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:24</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   Mark .   Why&#39;d   you   give   it   to   Oscar ?   That&#39;s   for   me .   I&#39;m   not .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:28</time>
      <p>
          All   right ,   another   little   bit .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:33</time>
      <p>
          So ,   mark ,   when   you   were   there ,   did   you   have   some   chocolate ?   Hmm ,   had   a   lot   of   chocolate .   Ray ,   remember   our   trip   to   Europe ?   Yeah ,   I   remember   that   and   our   chocolate   in .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:45</time>
      <p>
          Switzerland .   Everybody   we   met   would   have   chocolate   for   us   because   they   knew   we   were   chocolate   fans .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:51</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   that&#39;s   what   kept   us   fueled ,   actually ,   because   we   were   starting   to   hit   the   wall .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>9:55</time>
      <p>
          Health   food-   that   noise   is   smart-breaking   chocolate .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>9:58</time>
      <p>
          I   haven&#39;t   even   had   lunch   yet .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>10:00</time>
      <p>
          man ,   Isn&#39;t   it   funny   my ,   our ,   my   kids   were   like   zombies   from   the   travel .   And   then   we   went   to   the   chocolate   factory   and   they   were   like   they   were   good   to   go .   They   came   alive .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:09</time>
      <p>
          It   reset   them   uh ,   well ,   there   you   have   it ,   franz .   Thanks   for   enduring   the   insanity .   Okay ,   give   me   some   more   oscar   like   it&#39;s   so   good .   What   do   you   think ,   mark ?   How   do   you   rate   it ?   It&#39;s   a   10 .   Oh ,   my   goodness ,   this   is   so   good .   And   what   are   those   nuts ,   oscar ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>10:26</time>
      <p>
          they&#39;re   caramelized   something .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:32</time>
      <p>
          This   is   definitely   the   worst   episode   ever   caramelized   cat   toenails   yeah ,   yeah ,   hmm ,   you   make   a   mean   chocolate ,   oscar .   Thank   you .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>10:40</time>
      <p>
          All   right   friends .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:42</time>
      <p>
          Sorry ,   friends ,   all   right ,   I   can&#39;t   talk   we   should   have   rethought   this .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:51</time>
      <p>
          I   feel   like   I&#39;m   in   a   swimming   pool   of   chocolate   right   now .   All   right ,   friends ,   time   for   a   cool ,   classy   comment
      </p>

      <h2 id="navigating-relationships-with-adult-children"><a class="no-underline" href="#navigating-relationships-with-adult-children">Navigating Relationships With Adult Children</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>10:57</time>
      <p>
          .   This   is   from   Jacob   Brothers .   Greetings   from   San   Antonio .   My   name   is   Jacob   and   I   wanted   to   thank   you   for   your   faithfulness   in   ministry   and   your   love   for   God&#39;s   people   around   the   world .   The   Lord   used   Living   Waters   and   a   sermon   by   Votie   Bauckham   to   save   me .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>11:13</time>
      <p>
          After   being   raised   in   church   and   even   leading   Bible   studies   at   my   workplace ,   I&#39;ve   shared   the   podcast   with   friends   and   family   and   it   is   the   number   one   podcast   I   listen   to .   Lastly ,   I   have   been   telling   that   Lot   and   his   wife   and   flea   joke   nonstop .   Now ,   when   I   heard   Ray   say   it ,   I   about   crashed   my   car   because   of   how   hard   I   was   laughing .   May   the   Lord   bless   you   all .   You   remember   that   joke ,   ray ?   Yeah ,   remind   me .   The   Lord   told   Lot   to   take   his   wife   and   flee   to   Sodom .   And   the   kid   what   was   it ?   And   the   dad   was   reading   the   Bible   to   his   son   and   then   he   said   okay ,   his   wife   turned   into   a   pillar   of   salt .   What   happened   to   the   flea ?   Well ,   jacob ,   thank   you ,   brother .   All   right ,   friends ,   today   we   are   talking   about   how   to   handle   conflict   with   adult   children ,   and   don&#39;t   you   guys   love   those   of   you   that   are   watching   how ,   so   magically   and   quickly   Oscar   changed   his   apparel ,   or   did   he   Never   mind ?   All   right   guys .   Adult   children   Rumspringer   speaking   of   adult   children .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>12:23</time>
      <p>
          You   guys   heard   of   Rumspringer .   I   have   no   idea   what   that   is .   You   just   made   that   word   up .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:26</time>
      <p>
          The   Amish   people   do .   We   were   talking   about   it   a   minute   ago .   The   Amish   people ,   they   have   this   thing   where   the   Amish   kids .   I   don&#39;t   know   if ,   when   they   turn   18   or   something ,   they   actually   go   out   and   intentionally   indulge   in   carnality .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>12:41</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   like   a   rite   of   passage .   It&#39;s   called   sowing   oats   wild   oats .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:44</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   they   go   out   and   they   have   sex   and   they   do   drink   and   they   party .   You&#39;ve   seriously   never   seen   it   no ,   never ,   what&#39;s   wrong   with   you ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>12:52</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   know ,   I   don&#39;t   know   very   many   other   people ,   so   it   shows   the   depth   of   their   so-called   Christianity ,   doesn&#39;t   it ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>12:56</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   there&#39;s   a   reality   show   on   it .   What&#39;s   the   point ?   The   premise   is ,   I   guess   go   out   and   see   if   you   really   want   to   follow   God   or   not ,   after   you   indulge .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>13:07</time>
      <p>
          I   just   looked   it   up .   It   says   during   this   time ,   typically   starting   around   the   age   of   16 ,   young   people   are   given   more   freedom   to   experience   the   outside   world   and   make   their   own   decisions   regarding   their   faith   and   lifestyle .   This   period   can   last   a   few   years   and   allows   them   to   explore   life   outside   the   strict   Amish   or   Mennonite   way   of   living .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:23</time>
      <p>
          But   it&#39;s   like   sanctioned .   I   mean   it&#39;s   like ,   hey ,   go   do   it .   It&#39;s   not   like ,   oh ,   they   went   out   and   rebelled .   It&#39;s   like ,   oh ,   it&#39;s   my   rebellion   time   Now   three   years ,   why   not   four   years ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>13:30</time>
      <p>
          See   you   later   40   years .   So   here&#39;s   your   heroine   kids .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>13:32</time>
      <p>
          Seriously ,   you   know ,   when   you   think   about   the   folly   of   tradition ,   sometimes   because   this   is   a   tradition ,   it&#39;s   just   what   they   do   no   one&#39;s   willing   to   step   out   of   it   and   say ,   like   what   are   we   doing   here ?   You   know ,   it&#39;s   just ,   this   is   what   we   do .   So   there   was   a   television   program .   The   world   would   love   that .   Oh   yeah ,   yeah ,   they   go   out ,   and   I   mean   they&#39;re   partying ,   they&#39;re   smoking   weed ,   they&#39;re   yeah .   Sounds   like   they&#39;re ,   yeah ,   sounds   like   mark   this   weekend .   Wow ,   yeah ,   the   rumor   mill   former   mark .   Yeah ,   bc   mark   um .   So   guys   adult   children .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>14:11</time>
      <p>
          Um   oscar&#39;s ,   the   only   one   that   doesn&#39;t   have   them .   Yeah ,   well ,   I   I   reached   out   and   they&#39;re   like   we   haven&#39;t   heard   from   you   in   20   years .   And   now ,   all   of   a   sudden ,   you   want   to   talk .   What&#39;s ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>14:19</time>
      <p>
          up   dad ?   Yeah ,   this   is   a   very   important   topic   because ,   you   know ,   we&#39;ve   talked   before   about   having   children ,   raising   children .   We&#39;ve   touched   on   parenting   uh ,   not   just   in   a   focused   episode ,   but   we&#39;ve   we&#39;ve   touched   on   it   at   different   points   and   other   episodes .   But   this   is   a   unique   thing ,   because   what   are   you   guys ,   classic   ray   comfort   great   40   years   and   you   still   haven&#39;t   figured   out   how   to   do   your   podcast   look ,   do   you   want   to   hear   this   or   not ?   Well ,   I   thought   you   got   something   I   did ,   but   I   think   it&#39;s   up   the   wrong   way .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>14:54</time>
      <p>
          Oh ,   there   we   are .   That&#39;s   probably   it   probably   unreal   here   we   go ,   we&#39;re   sweet ,   all   right .   So   it&#39;s   conflict   con   with   flicked   With   flicking .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>15:06</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   so ,   yeah .   So   the   uniqueness   of   getting   to   a   point   in   life   where   these   children   that   you&#39;ve   poured   your   life   into ,   that   you&#39;ve   been   accustomed   to   guiding   and   directing   and   leading   and   instructing   and   disciplining   they&#39;re   adults   now .   And   now   you   know   you   don&#39;t   lose   that   unique   role   of   being   their   parent .   But   I   put   it   this   way   once   it&#39;s   like   they&#39;re   your   kids   but   they&#39;re   no   longer   kids .   And   how   now   do   you   interact   with   them ?   How   do   you   allow   there   to   be   such   an   atmosphere   in   your   relationship ,   such   a   tone   and   tenor   where   they   welcome   you   in ,   they   want   your   input ,   they   want   your   counsel ,   they   want   your   advice ?   You   could   still   be   an   influence   without   appearing   to   be   someone   who&#39;s   trying   to   control   their   life .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>15:57</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   you   push   them   out   of   the   nest   and   watch   them   either   fly   or   fall .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>16:00</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>16:01</time>
      <p>
          Rump   stringer   or   whatever .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>16:03</time>
      <p>
          Some   form   of   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>16:04</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   hopefully   you&#39;ve   established   a   relationship   with   them   that   when   you   shot   them   out ,   they   tend   to   kind   of   come   back   a   little   bit   right   and   ask   questions .   I   had   told   my   son ,   noah   and   I   think   I   shared   this   before   I   said   listen ,   noah ,   I&#39;m   not   here   to   rule   over   you   anymore ,   like   you   are   two   years   old ,   but   I   want   to   be   here   to   lead   you   and   to   help   you .   And   he   comes   by   the   house   almost   daily   and   I   absolutely   love   it .   I   wasn&#39;t   expecting   it   and   I   said   Christmas   time ,   you&#39;re   not   expected   to   come ,   or   any   other   holiday ,   you&#39;re   not   expected   to   come ,   but   you&#39;re   welcome   to   come .   And   if   you   do   come ,   we   want   to   make   it   worth   your   while .   There&#39;ll   be   good   food .   If   you   bring   kids ,   the   kids   there&#39;ll   be   presents .   You   know ,   if   it&#39;s   Christmas   time ,   what   time   do   you   guys   want   me   there ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>16:48</time>
      <p>
          Bring .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>16:48</time>
      <p>
          Oscars ,   the   kid .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>16:51</time>
      <p>
          I   want   to   have   the   open   communication   right .   You&#39;re   always   welcome   here   and   I   have   plenty   of   things   to   say   and   to   speak   into   your   life   still ,   but   I&#39;m   going   to   be   somewhat   hesitant   because   they&#39;re   your   kids ,   they&#39;re   not   my   kids ,   and   if   you&#39;d   like   me   to   speak   into   their   life   or   your   life ,   listen ,   I   have   a   lot   to   say .   Experience   has   taught   me   a   lot   in   scripture .   It&#39;s   taught   me   even   more .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>17:11</time>
      <p>
          Mark ,   what   prompted   you   to   say   that   to   Noah ?   I   mean ,   was   it   on   a   whim   or   did   you   think   about   it ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>17:17</time>
      <p>
          No ,   I   heard   another   preacher   say   that   and   I   went   wow ,   I   really   like   it .   And   then   I   just   changed   it   up   a   little   bit ,   but   I   liked   that   idea ,   he   Markified   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>17:28</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   I   love   that   because   there&#39;s   something ,   I   think ,   in   the   human   heart   that   draws   closer   when   you   give   space   and   that   pulls   away   when   you   try   to   crowd ,   and   it&#39;s   just   the   whole   get   away   from   here   from   me .   There&#39;s   something   about   expectations   and   putting   expectations   on   people ,   and   then   it   becomes   weird ,   right ,   because   I   mean ,   imagine   and   this   happens   a   lot ,   especially   in   Arab   culture   like   guilt   trips   are .   They&#39;re   like   greetings ,   you   know ,   it&#39;s   like   it&#39;s   kind   of   like   it&#39;s   not   like   hey ,   how   you   doing .   It&#39;s   like   why   haven&#39;t   you   called ?   Right ,   where   have   you   been ?   Oh   yeah ,   oh   yeah ,   you   sure   love   your   mother .   You   know ,   like   guilt   trips   and   sarcasm ,   and   then   you   just   don&#39;t   know ,   like   are   they   coming   because   they   want   to   or   is   it   now ?   And   it   becomes   this   like   weird   complicated   thing ,   you   know .   So   I   love   that ,   mark ,   that&#39;s   wise   and   you   know ,   that&#39;s   why   we   didn&#39;t   go   to   Ray   and   Sue&#39;s   house .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>18:33</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;re   not   going   to   your   house ,   okay ,   yeah ,   so ,   oscar ,   you&#39;re   headed   in   that   direction   and   I&#39;d   love   to   hear   your   thoughts   in   terms   of ,   maybe ,   what   you&#39;ve   gleaned   from   some   who   have   had   adult   children   and   what   you&#39;ve   thought   on   your   own   Well ,   so   yeah ,   my   oldest   is   15
      </p>

      <h2 id="honoring-parents-with-christian-influence"><a class="no-underline" href="#honoring-parents-with-christian-influence">Honoring Parents With Christian Influence</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>18:51</time>
      <p>
          .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>18:51</time>
      <p>
          She&#39;s   just   started   her   sophomore   year   of   high   school .   I   think   I&#39;m   looking   at   it   maybe   from   a   different   perspective   because   I   don&#39;t   have   adult   children   yet ,   but   there   is   a   number   of   guys   in   my   life   that   are   in   their   early   to   late   twenties   and   often ,   you   know ,   when   we   sit   down   every   now   and   then ,   we&#39;ll   get   into   a   conversation   that   they   had   with   their   parents .   And   one   of   the   things   that   I   hear   is ,   for   those   parents   who   are   trying   to   counsel   and   provide   wisdom ,   you   know ,   you   hear   this   hesitation   like   man ,   like   I   feel ,   like   they   just   need   to   let   me   be   an   adult ,   et   cetera ,   et   cetera .   And   one   of   the   things   that   I   often   tell   them   is   dude ,   like   I   wish   I   had   Christian   parents .   I   wish   I ,   you   know ,   I   do   have .   I   mean ,   my   mom   claims   to   be   a   believer   now ,   but   my   relationship   with   her   is   very   different   because   of   the   way   I   grew   up .   She&#39;s   kind   of   more   like   an   older   sister .   You   know ,   she   just   never   was   a   mom   to   me .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>19:41</time>
      <p>
          For   those   who   are   new   to   the   podcast ,   my   mom   was   struggled   with   drug   addiction   my   whole   life   and   so   I   just   I   had   a   different   kind   of   relationship   with   them .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>19:50</time>
      <p>
          But   I   mean ,   you   know   the   idea   that   you   have   parents   in   your   20s   that   are   reaching   out ,   that   are   asking   how   you&#39;re   doing ,   that   wanna   make   sure   you   have   a   place   to   go   to   for   a   meal   Like   to   me   you   don&#39;t   realize   the   blessing   of   what   you   have .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>20:08</time>
      <p>
          You   know ,   the   first   time   that   I   met   my   biological   father ,   I   was   35   years   old   and   probably   about   a   week   after   I   met   him ,   he   called   me   and   I   answered   the   phone   and   I&#39;m   like ,   why   is   he   calling   me ,   you   know ?   And   I   get   on   the   phone   and   he&#39;s   like ,   hey ,   I&#39;m   just   calling   to   say   hi ,   How&#39;s   your   day .   And   I   was   like ,   what   You&#39;re   calling   to   say   hi ?   Like   it   was   so   foreign   to   me   that   a   parent   would   call   just   to   check   in ,   just   to   say   hi ,   just   because   they   wanted   to   be   a   part   of   your   life .   And   so   for   the   young   adult   who&#39;s   trying   to   figure   out   his   aspect ,   his   or   her   aspect ,   with   their   parents ,   count   your   blessings .   It   is   a   gift   that   you   have   Christian   parents   that   love   you ,   that   are   praying   for   you ,   that   are   advocating   for   you ,   that   are   checking   in   on   you .   That   is   a   gift   from   the   Lord   Wow .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>20:59</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   and   Ray ,   how .   I   mean ,   how   do   we   do   that ,   Like   how   do   we   get ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:05</time>
      <p>
          our   kids .   I&#39;m   thinking   what   are   you   going   to   ask   me ?   Because   my   children   have   got   children .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>21:10</time>
      <p>
          Ray   forgot   what   it&#39;s   like   to   be   a   father .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>21:13</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   handle   conflict   with   your   adult   grandchildren ,   that&#39;s   right .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:17</time>
      <p>
          And   great-grandchildren .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>21:19</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   with   your   senior   citizen   children .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:22</time>
      <p>
          So   what   do   you   got   for   me   so ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>21:23</time>
      <p>
          no ,   my   question   to   you   is   you   know ,   how   do   we   get   there   to   a   point   where   our   kids   desire   to   have   our   influence   in   their   lives ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:33</time>
      <p>
          Don&#39;t   you   think   it   starts   early   on   like   how   you   raise   them   is   a   big   yeah ,   this   is   going   to   sound   very   strange   coming   from   me ,   but   you   teach   your   children   the   fear   of   the   lord   and   when   they   fear   god .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>21:43</time>
      <p>
          They   put   him   first   and   they   honor   their   father   and   mother ,   which   is   the   only   commandment ,   with   a   threat ,   a   threat ,   promise ,   threat .   No ,   it&#39;s   a   threat .   It&#39;s   ephesians   6 ,   uh ,   verse   1   honor   your   father   and   mother   that   all   may   be   well   with   you   and   your   days   may   be   long   upon   the   earth .   And   saying   all   will   not   be   well   with   you   if   you   don&#39;t   honor   your   parents   and   your   days   will   not   be   long   upon   the   earth .   So   I   say   that   I   see   that   as   a   not   only   a   suggestion ,   but   a   threat .   This   is   what&#39;s   going   to   happen .   I   meet   so   many   young   people   that   that   have   an   absolute   mess ,   depression   and   suicidal   thoughts .   You   love   your   mom   and   dad ,   hate   them .   Well ,   there   you   are .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>22:17</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   what&#39;s   happening   well   you   know   um   my   dad ,   as   you   guys   know ,   lived   to   113 .   I   can&#39;t   count   how   many   you   know   you   better   say   113   113   yeah ,   let   it   sink   in .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>22:30</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   113   is   like .   Oh ,   whatever ,   I   lived   until   it&#39;s   13   minutes   past   one .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>22:34</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   but   and   and   keeping   with   what   you ,   keeping   with   what   you   just   said ,   right ,   I&#39;ve   had   so   many   people   say   to   me   boy ,   he   must   have   really   honored   his   parents .   You   know   it&#39;s   like ,   but   it&#39;s   so   true   that   Scripture   singles   that   out   and   says ,   hey ,   it&#39;s   a   commandment   with   promise   or   a   threat .   The   Amplified   Bible   would   probably   say   that ,   yeah ,   it   would ,   but   that   God   delights   in   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>23:01</time>
      <p>
          Yes ,   god   delights   in   children   honoring   their   parents .   Now ,   for   us ,   as   parents ,   our   aim   in   getting   them   to   honor   us   is   not   because   we   crave   honor ,   but   it&#39;s   because   we   know   that   that&#39;s   God&#39;s   best   for   them .   I   crave   honor ,   but   you   know   what   I&#39;m   saying .   It&#39;s ,   it&#39;s ,   it&#39;s ,   it&#39;s   all   a   part   of   it .   Um   Speaking ,   of   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>23:22</time>
      <p>
          Quite   often   people   say   to   me   what   do   you   mean ?   Honor   my   mom .   My   mom   was   a   prostitute .   You&#39;re   telling   me   to   honor   her .   It&#39;s   a   good   question ,   and   it   is   a   good   question .   But   I   tell   my   kids   don&#39;t   honor   me ,   because   I   deserve   honor .   I&#39;m   a   wretched   sinner .   Honor   me   because   God   says   to .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>23:35</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   honor   the   office   of   parenting .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>23:37</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>23:37</time>
      <p>
          Right ,   the   office   of   parenting .   So   in   that   situation   that&#39;s   how   I   look   at   it   right ,   I   have   to   honor   the   office   of   a   parent .   When   your   parent   is   falling   short   of   the   glory   of   God ,   when   you   have   a   parent   that&#39;s   not   a   believer ,   that   is   causing   so   much   conflict   in   your   life ,   how   do   I   honor   that   person ?   Honor   the   office   of   parenting ,   because   when   you   honor   the   office   of   a   parent ,   when   you   honor   the   office   of   a   father ,   what   you&#39;re   actually   doing   is   honoring   the   fatherliness   of   your   father   in   heaven .   

      </p>

      <h2 id="parental-influence-in-adult-children"><a class="no-underline" href="#parental-influence-in-adult-children">Parental Influence in Adult Children</a></h2>


        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>24:06</time>
      <p>
          Yeah   and   Mark ,   this   is   again   becoming   like   less   and   less   common ,   like   kids   seeing   their   parents   as   a   huge   and   valuable   asset   in   their   lives ,   like   Oscar   was   talking   about .   You   know ,   it&#39;s   when   we   become   adults   and   have   our   own   kids   that   we   really   start   realizing   it .   Do   you   have   any   thoughts   on ,   like ,   how   do   we ,   how   do   we   get   our   kids   to   value   honoring   parents ,   like   at   an   early   age ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>24:33</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   I   don&#39;t   know .   Nothing   comes   to   my   head   with   that .   I&#39;m   still   thinking   back   on   the   scripture   that   we   just   read   with   Ephesians   6 ,   you   know   it   doesn&#39;t   say   to   honor   your   mom   and   dad   unless   your   mom   is   a   prostitute   and   your   dad&#39;s   in   prison .   It&#39;s   just   an   emphatic   statement .   We   just   do   it   Unless   they&#39;re   calling   us   to   sin .   Yeah   Right ,   we   want   you   to   go   and   steal   these   sort   of   things .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>24:55</time>
      <p>
          I   look   back   on   my   kids   and   the   raising   of   my   kids   and ,   by   God&#39;s   grace ,   all   five   of   my   kids   are   walking   with   the   Lord .   I   think   it   would   do   us   well   to   listen   to   our   kids ,   to   make   sure   that   they   feel   like   they&#39;re   being   heard   and   as   they   speak ,   we   can   now   regurgitate .   If   you   would   talk   back   to   them ,   say ,   hey ,   this   is   what   I&#39;m   hearing   you   say ,   but   here&#39;s   the   takeaway .   This   is   what   Scripture   has   to   say .   I   think   that   there&#39;s   a   value   in   attaching   a   validity   to   their   struggles ,   what   they&#39;re   going   through   and   everything   in   between ,   to   nip   it   right   away   if   they   begin   to   disrespect   and   dishonor ,   right .   So   I   think   maybe   just   start   with   that .   Nothing   else   really   comes   to   my   head   Easy .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>25:40</time>
      <p>
          Why   don&#39;t   you   address   that   for   a   minute ?   Rebellion   and   a   two-year-old   what   would   you   do   with   that ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>25:45</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .   Well ,   I   do   think   that   what   you   do   in   terms   of   investing   in   your   kids   and   sewing   into   them   early   on   can   have   an   effect ,   but   that   comes   with   a   big   caveat ,   right .   But   that   comes   with   a   big   caveat   right   Because ,   as   we&#39;ve   mentioned   before ,   the   last   thing   we   want   is   for   parents   who   are   listening   now ,   who   have   adult   children   who   have   rebelled ,   to   think   that   it&#39;s   necessarily   all   their   fault   or   responsibility .   Of   course   we   can   look   and   say ,   hey ,   yeah ,   you   could   look   back   and   say ,   maybe   there   are   things   you   did ,   you   could   have   done   differently .   But   there   are   parents   who   have   poured   their   hearts   into   their   kids .   And   again ,   we&#39;ve   talked   about   the   proverb   that&#39;s   a   truism ,   not   a   promise .   Bring   up   a   child   in   the   way   he   shall   go ,   and   when   he&#39;s   old   he   won&#39;t   depart   from   it .   People   think ,   oh   well ,   I   must   have   not   done   that   then .   But   that&#39;s   a   truism .   That&#39;s   typical   of   how   things   can   go .   But   it&#39;s   not   a   promise .   But   there&#39;s   that   condemnation   of   oh   man ,   I   must   have   man .   That&#39;s   not   the   case .   There   is   what   I&#39;ve   mentioned   before .   Ted   Tripp   talks   about   shaping   influences .   And   then   there&#39;s   Godward   orientation .   Where ,   at   the   end   of   the   day ,   where&#39;s   their   heart   at ,   and   have   they   repented   and   surrendered   to   the   Lord ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>26:51</time>
      <p>
          But ,   having   said   all   that ,   I   believe   we   can   have   impact   and   influence .   And   it   begins   early   on ,   and   sometimes   parents   do .   It   begins   early   on ,   and   sometimes   parents   do   see   kids   who   are   rebellious   and   they&#39;re   shocked   and   surprised .   And   yet   they ,   at   the   same   time ,   didn&#39;t   do   what   Ephesians   6   mentions .   And   you ,   fathers ,   do   not   provoke   your   children   to   wrath ,   but   bring   them   up   in   the   training   and   admonition   of   the   Lord .   And   what   is   the   training   and   admonition   of   the   Lord   for   children ?   It&#39;s   to   honor   their   father   and   mother ,   and   it&#39;s   the   parents&#39;   responsibility   to   train   them   up   in   that .   And   so   we   have   to   remember   that .   So   a   two-year-old   who&#39;s   rebelling   needs   to   be   corrected   and   disciplined ,   and   here&#39;s   the   key   in   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>27:33</time>
      <p>
          This   is   what   oftentimes   I   think   is   a   problem   in   raising   children .   It&#39;s   that   parents   are   doing   it   without   focus .   They&#39;re   flying   by   the   seat   of   their   pants .   So   the   child   does   something .   They   rebel ,   no ,   they   say   something   rude   to   their   parent ,   even   at   a   very   young   age ,   like   two ,   and   the   parent   is   like ,   oh ,   don&#39;t   do   that ,   Don&#39;t   do   that .   And   they&#39;re   looking   here ,   there ,   they&#39;re   doing   things .   When   a   child   rebels ,   everything   stops .   I   mean ,   it&#39;s   like   pause   everything .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>28:02</time>
      <p>
          Whatever   you   do ,   you   stop .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>28:03</time>
      <p>
          He&#39;s   got   a   stick   of   dynamite   in   his   hand .   Yeah ,   you ,   you ,   you   crouch   to   their   level ,   you   give   them   full   focus   and   you   and   you   lead   and   guide   them   through   that   with   with   tenderness ,   love   and   and   courageous   boldness .   You   know   you   don&#39;t   yell   and   scream ,   but   but   that   child   needs   to .   That   doesn&#39;t   happen ,   because   if   you&#39;re   just   running   around   and   your   kids   are   doing   stuff ,   they&#39;re   getting ,   they&#39;re   getting   trained   by   you ,   whether   intentionally   or   unintentionally ,   and   often   unintentionally ,   that   this   isn&#39;t   a   big   deal .   So   of   course   it&#39;ll   keep   doing   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>28:35</time>
      <p>
          And   not   only   will   they   keep   doing   it ,   it&#39;ll   become   habit ,   it&#39;ll   become   rooted   and   grounded ,   you   know ,   in   their   character .   And   so ,   yeah ,   being ,   you   know ,   being   quick   to   engage   them   in   those   things   and   to   discipline   them ,   but   to   combine   that   with   explanation   and   tenderness   and   prayer   and   all   that ,   you   know   there&#39;s   a   lot   of   fruit .   So ,   but   then   you   know ,   we   get   to   that   place   where   and   I   know   that   those   listening   now   are   thinking   through   that   okay ,   my   kids   are   adults ,   but   they&#39;re   starting   to   do   things   that   I   don&#39;t   really   like .   We&#39;re   not   talking   about   sin ,   but   things   that   that   not   necessarily   my   preference ,   such   as ,   such   as   you   know   they   are   now   maybe .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>29:18</time>
      <p>
          Drinking   black   coffee .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>29:20</time>
      <p>
          Ah ,   that   is   unacceptable .   That   black   coffee ,   that   is   unacceptable .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>29:23</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   where   easy   draws   the   line .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>29:25</time>
      <p>
          I   am   fully   involved   in   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>29:27</time>
      <p>
          Like   just   the   way   they&#39;re   raising   their   kids   or   their   convictions .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>29:30</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   the   way   they&#39;re   dressing   the   music   they&#39;re   listening   to ,   the   shows   they&#39;re   watching   or   the   movies   they&#39;re   watching .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>29:38</time>
      <p>
          The   face   tattoos ,   again .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>29:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   so   not   sinful   actions   we&#39;re   not   talking   about .   We&#39;re   not   talking   about   sinful   things ,   but   things   that   are   that   are   different   than   than   maybe   what   we   preferred   or   how   we   raise   them .   That&#39;s   the   big   rub   how   we   raise   them   and   we .   Why   did   we   raise   them   that   way ?   Because   we   were   convinced   this   was   best   and   healthy ,   right ,   and   those   are   our   convictions ,   and   obviously   they&#39;re   raising   our   home .   So ,   mark ,   what   do   you   do   with   that ?   How   do   you   grapple   with ?   Obviously   we&#39;ve   all   seen   it   with   our   adult   kids .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>30:05</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   I   think   you   have   to   trust   the   Lord&#39;s   plan   and   his   process .   We   are   all   growing   at   a   slower   rate   than   somebody   else   whoever   that   else   person   is   and   we   think   that   we   know   what   is   best   for   our   kids .   Remember ,   if   it&#39;s   not   a   sinful   act ,   then   you   need   to   just   let   it   be   what   it   is .   And   if   it   is   a   sinful   act ,   well ,   we   need   to   be   careful   on   how   we   address   that .   Maybe   not   address   it   in   like   they&#39;re   five   years   old   anymore .   Trust   the   process   and   trust   the   people   that   are   around   them .   So   I   think   that   we   just   need   to   be   careful   and   let   people   be   people .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>30:42</time>
      <p>
          If   we   homeschooled   our   kids ,   but   if   my   children   decide   to   put   their   kids   into   public   school   or   private   school   or   charter   school ,   it   is   what   it   is .   It&#39;s   just   going   to   be   different   on   how   I&#39;m   going   to   approach   them   and   their   situation .   I&#39;m   going   to   ask   more   questions ,   perhaps   when   my   grandchildren   are   inside   my   life ,   very   directed   questions ,   and   if   my   kids   are   able   to   listen   to   me ,   willing   to   listen   to   what   I   have   to   say ,   as   to   how   to   lead   them   and   correct   them   in   that   or   direct   them   in   that   situation   and   I   think   they   would   I   think   that .   I   think   it&#39;s   going   to   work   out .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>31:15</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>31:15</time>
      <p>
          You   know   it&#39;s   going   to   be   fine .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>31:17</time>
      <p>
          Especially ,   listen .   If   it&#39;s   not   sin ,   it&#39;s   going   to   work   out .   If   it   is   sin ,   you   know   address   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>31:22</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   also   a   reminder .   I   think   I&#39;m   starting   to   get   a   glimpse   of   this   with   two   teenagers .   It&#39;s   a   reminder   that   ultimately ,   these   kids   are   not   yours .   Right ,   the   Lord   has   entrusted   you   with   them ,   but   the   Lord   is   at   work ,   sanctifying   them ,   and   I   think   so   often ,   as   parents ,   we   can   turn   our   kids   into   trophies   for   our   own   sanctification .   They   need   to   be   the   example   of   my   righteousness ,   of   my   walk   with   the   Lord ,   and   therefore   they   need   to   look   this   particular   way .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>31:51</time>
      <p>
          But   ultimately ,   they&#39;re   not   being   sanctified   in   the   image   of   Oscar .   They&#39;re   being   sanctified   in   the   image   of   Christ ,   and   he   is   shaping   them   and   creating   them   and   molding   them   into   a   person   that   doesn&#39;t   look   like   me ,   that   doesn&#39;t   maybe   dress   like   me ,   listen   to   the   music   that   I   listen   to   or   into   the   same   things ,   just   have   a   different   impression   of   the   world .   Yet   walking   with   the   Lord ,   and   that   is   something   rather   than   to   be   afraid   of ,   to   be   uncertain   of ,   that&#39;s   something   to   embrace .   Oh ,   this   is   your   child ,   god ,   and   you&#39;ve   saved   them   and   you&#39;re   sanctifying   them   and   you&#39;re   shaping   them   into   something   totally   different ,   and   that   is   good   and   beautiful .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>32:32</time>
      <p>
          Man ,   it&#39;s   so   much   easier   to   do   that   with   people   that   aren&#39;t   your   kids ,   like   you   know   what   I   mean .   Like ,   oh ,   cool ,   okay ,   that&#39;s   our   convention ,   it&#39;s   my   child ,   you   know ,   and .   But   what   you&#39;re   saying   is   so   true ,   oscar ,   like   we   have   to   remember   yeah ,   they   are   really   God&#39;s   child   and   we&#39;re   just   all   different .   But ,   ray ,   you   know ,   one   of   the   things   that   stuck   out   to   me   immediately   when   I   first   met   Rachel ,   when   you   were   there   present ,   was   her   relationship   with   you   and   her   respect   towards   you ,   but   also   the   play   had   when   I   saw   you   guys   talking .   But   it ,   it   stood   out   to   me   and   what   are   some   of   the   things   you   did   early   on   with   the   kids   to   where   they   felt   you&#39;re   approachable   as   a   dad ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>33:28</time>
      <p>
          I   let   them   be   adults .   Um ,   I   know ,   when   I   was   a   kid ,   especially   in   my   early   teens ,   I   hated   it   being   in   school   being   told   what   to   do .   I   wanted   to   be   an   adult   where   people   didn&#39;t   tell   me   what   to   do ,   and   when   I   became   an   adult ,   I   really   appreciated   my   own   parents   letting   me   do   my   own   thing .   At   the   age   of   20 ,   I   wanted   to   buy   a   house   and   they   were   very   nervous   and   I   said   let   us   do   this ,   we   want   our   own   house .   And   they   let   us   do   it ,   and   so   it   was   $200 .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>33:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>33:54</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   it   was   $5,300 .   Not   far   off ,   martin   actually   it   was   $5,300 .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>34:01</time>
      <p>
          Wow ,   we   wanted   to   buy   a   house   for   $9,000   on   a   hill   overlooking   the   beach   and   we   couldn&#39;t   afford   it   $9,000, .   I   look   back   now ,   but   the   wages   were   totally   different   back   then .   It   was   $5,300 .   Sue   had   money   in   the   bank ,   so   we   used   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>34:17</time>
      <p>
          Where   was   your ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>34:17</time>
      <p>
          money .   Yeah ,   my   money   was   invested   in   leather   jackets .   I&#39;m   not   kidding .   All   the ,   all   the   savings   I   had   I   put   into   making   leather   jackets   for   people   and   it   was   tied   up .   But   we   got   the   house   and   we   don&#39;t   regret   it .   So   I   I   stand   back   and   look   objectively   at   my   kids   I   did   and   say   they   are ,   they   are   adults .   They&#39;re   like   what   I   wanted   to   be   totally   independent ,   standing   on   my   own   two   feet ,   and   we   let   them   and   uh ,   it&#39;s ,   it&#39;s   a   blessing   to   be   totally   independent   standing   on   my   own   two   feet   and   we   let   them ,   and   it&#39;s   a   blessing   to   be   able   to   do   that .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>34:43</time>
      <p>
          Ray ,   there   must   have   been   nothing   more   trying   for   you   when   your   daughter   brought   home   a   Lebanese   man .   What   was   it   like ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>34:48</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   it   was   like   when   I   said ,   look ,   sometimes   my   dog   will   bring   things   inside ,   and   I   just   said ,   well ,   this   is   the   way   it   is .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>34:57</time>
      <p>
          This   is   the   way   it   is .   This   is   the   way   it   is .   Look   what   the   doc   dragged   in .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>35:01</time>
      <p>
          Was   there   ever   a   moment   where   you   wanted   to   move   back   to   Lebanon ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>35:05</time>
      <p>
          Bring   back   that   memory .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>35:07</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;ve   talked   about   that .   What   was   the   movie   that   was   out ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>35:08</time>
      <p>
          Not   Without   my   Daughter .   That   was   the   name   of   the   movie   yeah ,   where   some   woman   married   a   crazy   Arab   and   they   went   to   the   Middle   East   and   then   he   wouldn&#39;t   let   her   leave .   I   mean ,   they   abused   her .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>35:18</time>
      <p>
          But   that   was   seriously   a   wrestle   for   me .   Am   I   prepared   to   just   let   her   go   and   let   her   be   an   adult   overseas   with   a   loving   husband ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>35:29</time>
      <p>
          And   I   thought   no ,   so   I   gave   him   a   job .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>35:31</time>
      <p>
          That   was   something   and   I   was   really   serious .   I   thought   it&#39;s   what   the   Lord   had .   And ,   yeah ,   I   talked   to   her   too   and   you   know   it   was   hard   for   Rachel ,   but   that&#39;s   what   blew   my   mind   is   her   willingness   to   follow   me ,   and   then   God   shot   it   down .   Let   me   share   a   quote   so   that   we   didn&#39;t   get   literally   shot   down .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>35:47</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   right .   Nowadays   you   would ,   though .   Oh   yes ,   the   turmoil   there ,   paul   Tripp .   He   said   the   goal   of   parenting   is   always   to   work   yourself   out   of   a   job .   The   goal   of   parenting   is   to   send   young   adults   out   into   the   world   who   are   prepared   to   live   as   God&#39;s   children   in   a   salt   and   light   in   a   corrupt   and   broken   world .   Wow ,   I   like   that .   The   goal   of   parenting   is   to   work   yourself   out   of   a   job .   And   now   they   take   over   the   job .   The   goal   is   to   pass   off   the   baton   to   them   and   then   to   not   necessarily   enjoy   it   from   the   sides ,   as   they   do   all   the   work ,   but   to   uh .   It   just   plays   a   different   role .   There&#39;s   a   new   chapter   as   a   parent   when   your   kids   begin   to   get  
      </p>

      <h2 id="navigating-relationships-with-adult-children"><a class="no-underline" href="#navigating-relationships-with-adult-children">Navigating Relationships With Adult Children</a></h2>


        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>36:25</time>
      <p>
          older .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>36:25</time>
      <p>
          I   was   going   to   say   that   we   just   had   the   Olympics ,   and   I   can&#39;t   stand   the   passing   off   the   baton   to   the   guy   in   front   of   always   frustrating   anxiety .   You   know ,   exactly   what&#39;s   involved .   They   drop   that   thing .   That&#39;s   years   and   years   of   sweat   and   pain   and   suffering   and   training ,   and   I&#39;d   be   freaking   out   Butterfingers .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>36:43</time>
      <p>
          You   would   drop   it .   You   would   drop   it ,   well ,   I   would   throw   it   to   the   person .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>36:47</time>
      <p>
          Ray   would   kill   someone   with   it .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>36:48</time>
      <p>
          Somehow   I&#39;m   sure ,   yeah ,   and   you   know ,   I   think   the   big   key   too   is   like   when   it   comes   to   convictions   as   an   example ,   because   that&#39;s   often   the   biggest   thing ,   convictions   and   is   like   when   it   comes   to   convictions   as   an   example ,   because   that&#39;s   often   the   biggest   thing   convictions   and   decisions ,   right ,   decisions   we   wouldn&#39;t   make ,   whether   it&#39;s   financial   or   it&#39;s   locational   we&#39;re   moving   or   career   or   whatever   or   convictions ,   things   they   do   that   are   in   that   sphere .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>37:10</time>
      <p>
          But   I   think   it&#39;s   so   important   that   our   actions   back   up   what   we   should   say ,   because   with   our   kids ,   we&#39;ve   told   them   look ,   you&#39;re   going   to   make   your   own   decisions   in   life   and   we&#39;re   going   to   honor   that .   We&#39;re   going   to   step   away .   As   long   as   it&#39;s   not   sinful ,   right ,   because   we   still   have   a   job   to   speak   in   each   other&#39;s   lives   and ,   of   course ,   we   should   still   be   able   to   share   concern .   It   may   not   be   sin ,   but   we   might   see   it   heading   there   or   maybe   it   doesn&#39;t   seem   wise .   We   have   to   be   careful   with   how   we   do   that .   It&#39;s   preferable   that   we&#39;re   invited   to   do   that .   But   I   think   we   have   to   also   look   and   say   we&#39;re   not   just   their   parents ,   we&#39;re   their   brothers   and   sisters   in   Christ   and   we   should   do   what   we   all   should   do   in   that   regard .   But   go   ahead   All   right .   

      </p>

        <cite>Mark Spence</cite>
      <time>37:51</time>
      <p>
          So   I   imagine   that   back .   How   do   I   get   back   into   a   relationship   with   my   adult   children ,   who   maybe   there&#39;s   different   scenarios ,   Maybe   they&#39;ve   completely   written   off   their   parents   or   maybe   they&#39;re   just   mom   dad ,   I   don&#39;t   want   any   input   from   me   whatsoever .   We&#39;ll   see   you   occasionally .   How   do   I   get   my   kids   back ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>38:15</time>
      <p>
          Well ,   it&#39;s   the   four   letter   Christian   filth   word   humility .   It&#39;s   not   four   letters   literally ,   but   humility   and   I   say   filth   word   because   in   our   flesh   it&#39;s   just   despised   to   humble   ourselves   if   we&#39;ve   done   something   in   error   with   our   children ,   so   to   be   able   to   go   back   and   to   be   willing   to   admit   mistakes   we&#39;ve   made   and   if   we   really   honestly   don&#39;t   know   what   we   might   have   done ,   to   just   seek   them   out ,   like   hey ,   can   you   tell   me ,   is   there   something   I&#39;ve   done ?   I   want   to   make   it   right .   I   love   you   To   go   and   to   really   seek   to   do   that   is   huge .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>38:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   a   gift   basket   would   be   great .   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>38:58</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;re   handing   out   gift   cards .   Gift   baskets   yeah ,   a   gift   basket   would   be   great .   We&#39;re   handing   out   gift   cards .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>39:02</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   but   I   was   making   a   point   earlier   on   in   that   our   actions   need   to   back   up   what   we   should   say   to   our   kids   and   that   is   hey ,   we&#39;re   going   to   respect   you   and   let   you   be   your   own   person .   But   then   we   back   that   up ,   because   sometimes   we   may   say   that ,   but   then   our   kids   do   make   a   different   decision   and   then   we   act   differently .   Kids   do   make   a   different   decision   and   then   we ,   we ,   we   act   differently ,   we   give   them   a   guilt   trip ,   we ,   we   get   you   know ,   kind   of   man ,   that   is   wrong .   You   know .   We   need   to   just   be   able   to   say ,   hey ,   yeah ,   great ,   that&#39;s   your   decision   and   we ,   we&#39;ve   told   you   that&#39;s   fine   and   and   and   just   to   to   give   them   that   respect   because   at   the   end   of   the   day ,   they   have   decisions   to   make .   They   can   choose   to   pull   away .   Do   you   want   to   be   a   person   who   played   a   part   in   that   because   of   your   lack   of   graciousness ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>39:46</time>
      <p>
          and   humility   you   know   I   was   talking   to .   Kind   of   your   kind   of   question   reminded   me   of   the   other   side   of   that   coin .   And   I   was   talking   to   a   friend   recently ,   young   20s ,   and   this   person   was   kind   of   lamenting   how   their   parents   like   all   of   a   sudden   are   wanting   to   involve   themselves   in   this   new   area   of   life .   For   this   this   guy   you   know   like   oh   he&#39;s ,   he&#39;s   into   this   thing   and   now   all   of   a   sudden   they   want   to   be   involved   and   it   just   feels   so   awkward   and   weird ,   and   lamenting   on   how   his   parents   aren&#39;t   cool   or   whatever .   And   um ,   I   encouraged   him   to   look   at   it   differently .   

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        <cite>Oscar Navarro</cite>
      <time>40:19</time>
      <p>
          I   told   him   man ,   honestly ,   it   reminds   me   of   incarnational   love ,   because   when   you   were   a   baby ,   your   parents   got   on   their   bellies   and   played   blocks   with   you .   They   met   you   where   you   were .   When   you   were   five   years   old ,   your   parents   played   hide   and   go   seek   with   you .   When   you   were   15 ,   they   were   driving   you   to   your   games   and   teaching   you   how   to   drive .   And   now   that   you&#39;re   in   your   twenties ,   your   parents   aren&#39;t   all   of   a   sudden   trying   to   be   cool .   They&#39;re   doing   what   they&#39;re   always   have   been   doing .   They&#39;re   meeting   you   where   they&#39;re   at .   They&#39;re   representing   incarnational   love .   So   don&#39;t   see   it   as   weird .   See   it   as   a   beautiful   reminder   of   how   God   has   loved   you   and   embrace   that .   That&#39;s   the   way   parents   have   always   loved   their   children ,   and   it&#39;s   not   something   to   be   awkward   about .   It&#39;s   not   something   to   turn   your   shoulder   on .   It&#39;s   something   to   be   viewed   as   you   are   being   loved   by   your   parents   in   the   same   way   God   has   loved   you ,   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>41:22</time>
      <p>
          I   once   heard   a   preacher   say   something   I&#39;ll   never   forget .   He   was   talking   about   honoring   your   mom   and   dad   and   he   says   you   dishonor   your   mother   when   she   gave   up   her   figure   to   bear   you .   I   thought   wow   you   don&#39;t   realize   nine   months   of   suffering   so   you   could   have   life ,   yeah .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>41:36</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;ve   shared   the   Arab   saying   before .   I   think   that   says   that   the   heart   of   the   parent   is   on   the   child ,   the   heart   of   the   child   is   on   the   rock ,   like   a   worthless   thing ,   and   you   start   realizing   that   as   you   get   older .   My   son ,   Luke ,   is   getting   married   soon   and   he   just   moved   out   to   secure   the   place   that   they&#39;re   gonna   have .   He&#39;s   roommateing   with   a   good   friend   of   ours   and   he   was   just   so   excited   and   I   remember   walking   down   the   hallway   and   looking   into   his   bedroom   and   Rachel   was   sitting   on   his   bed   bawling   her   eyes   out   his   last   day   at   home ,   you   know ,   and   and   that&#39;s   why   you   have   a   dog ,   yeah ,   well ,   I&#39;ll   tell   you .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>42:12</time>
      <p>
          It   hit   me   because   I   thought ,   you   know ,   luke   is   so   excited   and   we&#39;re   excited ,   but   it&#39;s   easy   to   look   and   say ,   well ,   isn&#39;t ,   isn&#39;t   he   like   sad ,   isn&#39;t   he ?   And   he   was   actually .   Luke   did   shed   some   tears   to   just   when   it   hit   him   like   whoa ,   this   is   like   permanent .   Now   I&#39;m   never   coming   back   home .   Um ,   in   a   sense ,   but   um ,   but   you   know   it&#39;s   um .   It&#39;s   where   we   were   when   we   were   kids ,   right ,   we   weren&#39;t   thinking   what   are   my   parents   feeling ?   What   are   my   parents   going   through ?   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>42:42</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   exactly   right .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>42:43</time>
      <p>
          yeah   Right ,   you&#39;re   just   like ,   yeah ,   I&#39;m   getting   married ,   getting   my   own   house ,   whoopee ,   and   so   we   just   have   to   remember   that   and   be   patient .   But   you   know ,   I   wanna   close   real   quick   on   a   note   with   those   who   have   adult   kids ,   those   still   living   at   home .   That&#39;s   when   it&#39;s   a   dilemma ,   because   you   know   there   are   other   things   outside   of   convictions   per   se   and   decisions   that   are   just   like   behavior .   And   how   do   you   not   do   a   disservice   to   your   children   who   are   living   at   home   by   enabling   them   to   do   things   that   aren&#39;t   good   for   them ?   And   so   I   came   up   with   this   thing   years   ago   for   our   kids ,   and   I&#39;ve   told   our   kids   look ,   this   is   your   home   for   life   If   these   three   things   are   maintained .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>43:24</time>
      <p>
          Number   one   respect .   We&#39;re   not   going   to   enable   you   to   dishonor   God   by   living   at   home   now ,   even   though   you&#39;re   an   adult ,   and   to   treat   us   in   a   disparaging   and   disrespectful   way .   So   respect .   Secondly ,   responsibility .   So   if   you&#39;re   living   at   home   right ,   and   especially   if   we&#39;re   not   charging   you   rent ,   we&#39;re   doing   that   so   that   we   can   help   you   get   set   up   for   the   future .   You   have   to   be   pursuing   a   career ,   you   have   to   be   in   school ,   you   have   to   be   saving   money ,   you&#39;ve   got   to   be   pulling   your   weight   around   the   house .   And   then ,   lastly ,   righteousness .   You   live   at   home .   You   claim   to   be   a   Christian .   You   can&#39;t   be   living   in   sin ,   and   so   my   saying   is   respect ,   responsibility ,   righteousness   and   this   is   your   homestead .   Until   you&#39;re   wed ,   you&#39;re   dead   or   you&#39;re   raptured   by   the   church&#39;s   head .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>44:10</time>
      <p>
          Yeah ,   so   I   think   I&#39;ve   shared   that   before ,   but   it&#39;s   been   a   healthy   sort   of   a   guide   for   our   kids   at   home   and   we&#39;re   grateful   that   they&#39;ve   all   maintained   that .   But   it&#39;s   been   a   healthy   sort   of   a   guide   for   our   kids   at   home   and   we&#39;re   grateful   that   they&#39;ve   all   maintained   that   and   it&#39;s   been   a   joy   to   see .   But   at   the   end   of   the   day ,   again ,   we   remember   they&#39;re   God&#39;s   kids ,   we   entrust   them   into   His   care ,   we   maintain   humility   and   we   maintain   respect .   I&#39;ll   often   say   that   to   my   kids   when   we&#39;re   talking   or   in   a   text .   I&#39;ll   say   I   really   respect   you .   That&#39;s   huge   to   have   respect   from   someone ,   but   we   as   parents   think ,   oh ,   I   need   to   be   respected .   No ,   we   also   need   to   be   respectful   toward   our   kids ,   to   treat   them   in   a   manner   that   honors   the   Lord   and   walk   in   true   biblical   love .   Take   all   of   the   truths   of   Scripture   that   apply   to   one   another   as   believers   and   apply   them   to   your   children ,   and   I   think   the   Lord   will   guide   you   in   wisdom   and   direct   you  
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        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>45:05</time>
      <p>
          in   that   way .   Very   good ,   very   good .   

      </p>

        <cite>Ray Comfort</cite>
      <time>45:08</time>
      <p>
          Very   good   All   right ,   friends .   

      </p>

        <cite>Emeal Zwayne</cite>
      <time>45:10</time>
      <p>
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