Two things are happening . One , we've been pitched this idea that chat is some infinitely wise you know , cal , you mentioned that like this pitch of like multiple PhDs . That's the way they're presenting it to us and chat is an incredibly powerful research tool , but it is not infallible . And the problem is , when we approach something like this , we think it has the authority , and then what we do what you're alluding to here , ez is that we are handing over critical thinking skills to chat , and I actually think we've been doing this for years Before , when you wanted to do research on something , you'd buy a book , and the beautiful thing about reading a book is that it's conversational .
Speaker 1You're agreeing with the author , you're disagreeing with the author , you're making notes , you're spending time in the idea . We went from that to Googling , to watching five-minute YouTube videos to gather information , to now going straight to chat , and so essentially , what we're doing ? Christianity , through all of history , has always been a thinking man's religion , and the danger here is that we're handing over a God-given ability to think critically . We're handing that over to chat . We're basically giving way to allowing it to do the critical thinking for us and , as Hal was alluding that , especially for that next generation where that's all they're doing . It's a danger because we're not going to have the ability to be able to think critically about the lies and the worldviews happening around us .
Speaker 2Well , that's amazing . Let me just see what Chet thinks with that .
Speaker 3I've told you guys about the dilemma that I face now in my home , constantly thinking with joy and excitement , oscar , that my wife is speaking to me , but no , she's talking to her phone . You guys deal with that Like the whole new phenomenon of like text to speech to text .
Speaker 2Yes , we get that now , so I'm answering her .
Speaker 3Oh , yeah , yeah . No , I'm talking to my phone . Okay , but there are times when I know she's talking to her phone and not thinking she's talking to me , as happened the other day when I kept hearing koinonia , koinonia , koinonia , koinonia .
Speaker 4I didn't quite get that word down , huh no no .
Speaker 2What are you trying to say ? Yeah , koinonia . No , it's Koinonia , no .
Speaker 3Ray , why do you live your life this way ? She's been my wife for almost 30 years . There's still words . I don't understand that .
Speaker 2She says that's because you're foreigner . It's Koinonia .
Speaker 3Koinonia .
Speaker 2No .
Speaker 3Okay , Ray , I got a test .
Speaker 2But let's show you guys how ridiculous New Zealanders are .
Speaker 3Okay , Ray , pronounce this Albino .
Speaker 2No , no , I am not falling into your trap . Say it Ray .
Speaker 3I've been here for Albino , albino , albino .
Speaker 4Who's ?
Speaker 2Albino .
Speaker 3It's a guy , Mr and Mrs Bino . Okay , here we go . Here's another one . Oh boy , Okay .
Speaker 2Say it Ray , Isaiah .
Speaker 3Isaiah .
Speaker 2That's because one eye is higher than the other , all right . Here we go . Ray Aluminium . No , You're taking me back . 35 years .
Speaker 4Was that legitimate ? Yes , Aluminium Ray .
Speaker 2Aluminium but it's hard for me to do because I'm now an American dude .
Speaker 3Like totally no , ray , you're a terrible person . Okay , philemon , philemon .
Speaker 2No , philemon , no , All right , here's one of my favorites , here's one of my favorites . Analytical .
Speaker 3What , what ? You did it right for the first time . What am I supposed to say ? Tell me ? You say analytical . Yeah probably he's forgetting . Kirk harassed you about that for years . Yes , okay , that's analytical .
Speaker 2Okay , and here's a new one for me that I heard Rachel say the other day Compost what . Compost Compost Is that legitimate ? Yes , compost . I got a letter from the Reader's Digest to weigh compost once I canceled my subscription .
Speaker 3That's right . Compost albino .
Speaker 2Yeah , and the last day should come , markets walking off their own lust .
Speaker 3Seriously , Ray you have problems .
Speaker 2No , I've changed .
Speaker 3Have you . I'm a new creature , so it was worse back in the day .
Speaker 2Well , no one laughed at you when you said those words in New Zealand , because that's how we talk , and Australia does the same thing , and probably England .
Speaker 4Yeah , yeah , definitely England . What about ?
Speaker 2Canada . We'll find out a little later . Yeah , we will find out . Hang on Canadia .
Speaker 3Canadia , canadia , canadia . I remember the first . I say Albino , I seriously probably laughed for a minute straight . Hey , albino .
Speaker 2Albino . So how has your marriage lasted with such a woman ?
Speaker 3That's what I'm trying to figure out . Seriously , there's still times , like Rachel will say , I have no idea .
Speaker 2For those , who don't know , you married my daughter . Oh yeah , it's hard for me to say .
Speaker 1What's the story of her calling Home Depot ? What was the thing ? She was asking . That's one of my favorite .
Speaker 3Yeah , she called Home Depot or , I think , walmart , and she calls , and she goes , she's looking for chair pads . So she calls , yeah , chair pads please , and chair pads , apartment chair pads . They go . Sure , hold on one minute , we'll transfer you Gardening . You're looking for chia pets , really Chia pets ? Oh , my darling Four foot ten Beautiful wife . Yes , all right , friends , enough of this . Oh , welcome back guys . It's been a while .
Speaker 2It's been a couple weeks , it's been three weeks . Mark , you're in .
Speaker 3Ecuador .
Speaker 2Ecuador , tennessee , it was in .
Speaker 3Ecuador , ecuador , tennessee . It was in Ecuador , ecuador , so you were in First Tennessee . You're speaking for our good friend Johnny Artavanis , who we've had here on the podcast .
Speaker 4How was that ? Oh , tremendous , 1,500 people in the last year has joined the church . The church is just absolutely humongous .
Speaker 3The teaching's phenomenal .
Speaker 4So what he would like to do is he'd like to have new converts come in , because that brings fresh breath into the church , and right now there's a lot of church transplants coming in because they're such solid teaching .
Speaker 3Bad breath , Bad breath . Johnny is such a gifted preacher he really is , and what's amazing is he didn't want to be . His dad is a pastor obviously You've spoken at his dad's church too , Mark and Johnny is like no , it's not for me . And then boom , I love it when the Lord does that . Yeah , and then Ecuador .
Speaker 4Ecuador was absolutely amazing Went with Brother Luis and meeting people that are just so on fire for the Lord and I hear you say it from the pulpit when you travel . It's just like this one accord to see that the Lord is alive and well here inside this area . And there's a language barrier , obviously , but we are tighter and closer than my own blood relatives that are not Christians Immediate connection because of what Christ has done . I love that and so I absolutely loved it , and so they want to bring Oscar next year .
Speaker 2Oh great .
Speaker 3That's great . Yeah , that'll be all three of us , nothing like actually being there .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's really great .
Speaker 3Tell us about that . No , ecuador , I went as well , and it's a great , great place . It's just again such a blessing to see the Lord taking the message throughout Latin America . I mean it's really spreading , and growing there . So yeah , and then , Oscar , you were deathly sick .
Speaker 1All right , friends . Sorry , Oscar , you better man I am .
Speaker 4I still have a lingering cough , but yeah , I went to Minnesota on a family vacation some family friends of ours invited me out and everybody in the house got at this lake house got sick .
Speaker 3We all came home sick wait wait time out back up and it's all about .
Speaker 4I'm going on vacation , uh-huh , and of all the places to pick . Minnesota jump to the top of that what ?
Speaker 1happened was we have friends who have a Matt . Actually he listens to the podcast . Hello Matt , thanks for inviting us out . His family has a lake house in Minnesota and so it's just . It was great man . We just woke up in the morning , read , hung out on the lake , read , fell asleep Like it was very relaxing .
Speaker 4A lot of reading in the Navarro family . Yeah , yeah , it was good .
Speaker 3Wait , oscar , you told me something the other day yesterday . How many books does the average person read a year ?
Speaker 1Oh , the average person reads the equivalent of 80 to 100 books a year .
Speaker 2I read about 60 titles a year . You're curious .
Speaker 1Explain it , oscar , because the average person reads , I think , like 40,000 words in a given week through social media , news consumption , things of that nature .
Speaker 2Stop signs .
Speaker 1Stop signs ? Absolutely so , if you think about it like we are reading an average of a small library every year but you aren't receiving the wisdom from it , because we are putting our attention in areas where we're not receiving . Unless it's a stop sign , Unless it's a stop sign . It's's a stop sign to a good investment .
Speaker 3Yeah , ray , read a lot in prison . All right , friends , time for a cool , classy .
Speaker 2So where did that ?
Speaker 3rumor . Start Time for a cool , classy comment . This is from coolhandluke07 , united States . Sea of encouragement , says the subject line . Ray Mark Oscar Easy . Your . Says the subject line . Ray Mark Oscar Easy . Your podcast is the most edifying , encouraging , inspiring and biblically sound podcast that I've ever listened to , and it's the only one . I added that because I knew Ray was thinking it . I love all the laughter too . I've been listening for a couple of years now and hearing about your faith and seeing it supplemented by your work for the Lord is amazing . I'm truly encouraged by you guys and , as Paul told the recipients of his letters to imitate his faith , I want to imitate yours . I love the jokes and the wisdom , so the new shortened versions don't change much for me , but I have started listening to both . Keep doing what you guys do and please pray for me as I take the next steps in my faith . I know you guys are busy , but just once could be so meaningful to me . In Christ's love . Luke , oscar , let's pray for Luke now .
Speaker 2Oh , I just did , oh yeah right Ray prays without ceasing .
Speaker 3Yeah , let's pray for him now . Yeah , absolutely .
Speaker 1Heavenly Father , we lift Luke up to you , lord
and man . What an encouraging just note from him to us , and we pray that you would bless him . We pray that this podcast would bless and encourage him , but more than this podcast , that you would bring alongside of him godly men in the local church , disciple him , men that would know him and love him , men that you would use to sanctify him and whatever you have for him in this next season of life , lord , would you prepare him now for it , and may he go boldly into that calling for his life , god . May he preach the gospel everywhere he goes , no matter where you send him . Thank you , god , for the work you're doing in and through him . It's in Jesus' name we pray , amen .
Speaker 4Amen Ray had his eyes open .
Speaker 3Ray Matt was watching again . Yeah right , and now a radically revolutionary resource . This podcast is brought to you by Ray's favorite book of all time Scientific Facts in the Bible . Boy Ray , you were like on the edge of your seat there . What's my favorite book ?
Speaker 2I don't know what my favorite book is .
Speaker 3Ray , this must be , would you say .
Speaker 2This is your top selling book , I guess . So I'm not sure it's got to be over a million copies . Wow , that was just to not sure it's got to be over a million copies . Wow , that was just to one lady Trying to reach her husband . Oh man , yeah .
Speaker 3Well , it's definitely the book that we get pictures of most . All right , because people see it in airports , of all places all the time . Love seeing that , so that's great .
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Speaker 2I just saw an Neanderthal .
Speaker 1Why are you ? Pointing at me when you did that . Do it again .
Speaker 2The jaw went forward yeah .
Speaker 3All right friends . Time to get to it . Today we are dealing with when AI tells you a big lie . And to help us , today we have a special guest all the way from Canada . We have our brother Calvin Cal Smith , executive director and speaker for AIG Canada . Cal , is it true , three kids , but 12 grandkids .
Speaker 5No , it's not true . I got 13 . Now let's go .
Speaker 3Good work . They need to update your bio , brother . That's true . That's true 13 . Man , that's crazy .
Speaker 1What a blessing .
Speaker 3Yeah , and you've survived life having to work with Ken Ham .
Speaker 5That's what you call a miracle , yeah well , I get to tuck away here in Canada , so you know .
Speaker 3That's what it is . It's keeping your distance .
Speaker 2Yeah , stay away from them . That's what we try to do .
Speaker 3You're hearing wisdom , yeah .
Speaker 2I admire your patience and the fact that you make best use of your time . While we were going on in the intro , you had a good little snooze there .
Speaker 3I saw you I thought it on .
Speaker 5I was waiting for the Canadian national anthem to come into . I thought you might play some Rush or something .
Speaker 3Well , we're excited to become the 11th province over there , so we'll be playing it all the time . Yeah well , cal being piped into sunny southern Cal . We're blessed to have you , brother and super excited . You know we love AIG . In fact , ken's coming to town , oh , we're going to see him tomorrow aren't we Ray Tomorrow ?
Speaker 2I've been depressed all week .
Speaker 3Yeah , we're going to be with him Friday . We're going to be with him Saturday .
Speaker 2Oh dear .
Speaker 3I'm going to be with him Sunday too , no , he's speaking at my church , oh , man .
Speaker 3Yeah . So anyway , we love AIG brother , Love what you guys are doing out there and excited to have you on . We're going to talk about , yeah , and this has all kind of come about because of the little experiment you started messing around with , which I loved . I mean , look , we all get bombarded with videos . There's so much content to look at it's hard for us to look at it , but I watched that thing , man , and it was really cool . So tell us a little bit about yourself , what you do and about this whole talk with Grok and chat with chat I think you're calling it and about this whole talk with Grok and chat with chat , I think you're calling it .
Speaker 5Yeah , well , I've been speaking on creation and biblical apologetics for 25 years now , and eight years ago we started Answers in Genesis here in Canada , and that's been going quite well . Of course , when COVID came along , we got locked down pretty hard , but the silver lining behind that was we started to do video production pretty well immediately , you know , after the two weeks to flatten the curve , so to speak , passed , I quickly assembled my team and just said we're now a social media and video ministry until such time as we are , and it's a good thing we did , because there was just no way for me to get out to churches or conferences or anything like that to , you know , get the message out . So we started producing video content and that's really grown and grown and it's been very effective . We've reached many , many people that way around the world , not just in Canada .
Speaker 5But yeah , just recently , of course , I started doing some experimentation with AI , and so we've dropped out a couple of videos right now that have gone viral , so to speak . At least in the biblical creationist realm , we can call them viral , and I did three of them with the Grok AI . Of course , elon Musk just announced Grok 4 , you know popping out and claimed that it was better than any PhD in their field . Simultaneously , you know , in all fields . And so did those . And then now I've got chats with Chad . You can pick the different voices on chat GPT and one of them's Chad . So I picked that and I've got that series coming out over the next three weeks , so that should be eye-opening as well for people .
Speaker 2So what gave the idea to have a hologram ? I think that was brilliant .
Speaker 5Well , we just wanted to add that as a visual because I thought I didn't know how well these videos would go . I mean , I wanted it to be authentic . There's no editing , which is kind of annoying . People have commented well could you cut out in between , and stuff . But I wanted people to understand that this was actually , you know , a conversation that took place and that it was also duplicatable , and so the reason why there's so much lag in the original videos is just because Grop4 had just dropped , it was very popular and people were using it and so it was just slow . But yeah , I just wanted to add that holographic effect . That's the only thing that we added . Those are totally authentic , uninterrupted .
Speaker 2So I've got a question for you . What made you choose a bald blue woman ?
Speaker 5I don't know , it's just the thing to do , I think when . Elon first released Grok . That's the image that he had a similar image on the screen .
Speaker 2I also think it's Hollywood and it's what's expected nowadays for futuristic stuff .
Speaker 5But I'd like to see it . Chad , of course , is going to be different . It's a guy , it's a male voice .
Speaker 2I'd like to see a German-speaking guy with real long hair , einstein .
Speaker 3Ray , we call sorry Cal , we call Ray Squirrel man . I didn't even give thought to the hologram , right ? I mean , yeah , it's a hologram , but you can't write blue . You can't write it Blue woman , blue woman Bold .
Speaker 3Why would you be bold , A bold blue woman ? Yeah , Cal , I'm so excited to kind of jump in and get some details . But Mark , I wanted to just throw it to you real quick . I think that back when television came out right First radio , I mean , it must have just blown people's minds . Like what we're sitting here in our house , we have this box and it's talking . Then television , Like that , I mean that's like a quantum leap .
Speaker 2I was there when that happened , yeah , but Ray was there your quantum leap like you're actually .
Speaker 3But , Mark , how blown away were you when you encountered AI and what it can do .
Speaker 4I couldn't believe that it could do what it could do . It's like when Dwayne Barnhart had the first iPhone and he put his finger on the screen and he moved things and he touched a photo and then he blew the photo up . I was like this is not possible . And then my sons were telling me that
no , there is a self-driving vehicle . I said impossible , impossible . Even if I were to see it , I will not believe it . There's no possible way that we'll Unless you put your foot in the door , unless I put my foot on the pedal , so being able to have a conversation .
Speaker 4Now Tesla has expanded and now you can actually talk to Grok inside your vehicle as you're driving along and you can do witnessing encounters , so you can have somebody that's part of the Baha'i faith and you could have a debate and go as deep as you want to go . It definitely is mind-blowing where AI is heading . You definitely have to fact check AI because it is very , very , very wrong a lot of times and it goes with a majority rule perhaps or some weird algorithm that'll take you to a direction you don't want to take . But , to answer your question directly , I'm absolutely blown away what AI can do . And Elon Musk . He said the danger of AI is much greater than the danger of nuclear warheads by far Wow , yeah , you know it's crazy .
Speaker 3Nuclear warheads by far Wow , yeah , you know it's crazy . The first thing I had AI do for me it was chat was write a poem . I wrote a poem . I could not believe . I was like wait a minute , this is crazy , you know . But all the stuff that it can do , now that's what I'm saying . Like you know , we had radio , television , computers . We thought , okay , there's nothing else , what else could there be ? And then this pops up and it's and , oscar , the craziness of now integrating it now with , like humanoid robots . These things are walking around like people .
Speaker 1Well , what's interesting about that is that right now , gen Z is indicating that one of the biggest ways in which they use chat is for personal relationships and therapy . In other words , chat is already among a younger generation replacing real life and body connection with other people , and they're turning to it like you know , like chats with Grok , but they're doing on an emotional , you know , emotionally intimate level , which is frightening .
Speaker 3Yeah , well , again , it's not just giving you texts , right , it's talking to you , but it's like I was chatting with it the other day . I honestly don't do that that much , but the other day I'm like you know , I'm just going to check it out . I could not believe the responses . Laughing humor , you know a little . Oh , that's interesting , that's clever .
Speaker 3Does that creep you out ? It does , man . When I hear it go um , I'm like , oh , this is not good , it's crazy . All right , cal , so Cal . Mark mentioned Elon's quote about the dangers of AI . So before we jump into the experiment , you did and all that . What do you think about that ? I mean , are you concerned ? Can you see this being worse than nuclear power ?
Speaker 5Well , I think one of the dangers is in the influence itself . So the reason why I even got started on this journey was , you know , I started to see AI popping up . You do a Google search and all of a sudden , gemini was there giving you an AI answer . Before you looked into the searches and stuff , but I got really interested when Answers in Genesis got sent an email by this younger gal , a student , and she said well , I've been recommended this book on Christian apologetics and so I asked ChatGPT to give me a summary . And of course she printed out what it had said , its summary , and it was a hit piece on this particular resource . And she got to the end and she said well , why should I trust this resource if ChatGPT can just dismantle it so easily and so immediately ? I thought well , what's the premise here ? I received this information , so I'm going to go ask ChatGPT and whatever it says it must be correct . So that's what I'm going to believe .
Speaker 5The authority that young people are putting in these bots . I mean , you're talking to a chat bot . It's programmed by people , people who have biases . That's another thing that I wanted to do to show people the bias that's programmed into it , and it's only as good as the sum of its parts . I mean , all sorts of people are creating their own AIs right now and they're putting all this information in it and that's what it can draw on .
Speaker 5It's got a very good logical algorithm if you can access it , which is one of the things I did when I put my parameters on it and it's also got a very strong pattern recognition algorithm , which means that's why people can get sucked into these personal conversations that can you know , be convinced to commit suicide or be convinced to leave their spouse or anything like that , because it's picking up on tonality and little things that you're doing and feeding into that , and so that's why it's very deceptive in that sense . But in the end you're talking to a chatbot that hallucinates a lot , can give you very incorrect information , and I've had it actually make up quotes . It'll say , oh yeah , science Magazine 1980 , fourth edition , and it'll come up with a completely false name . I'll go to fact check it and it's not there . So really cautioning people , don't put your faith in AI , that's for sure ?
Speaker 3Yeah , no , it's true , because people just take it at face value . Ray , have you ever experienced like inaccurate information ?
Speaker 2Absolutely . When we had a London outreach , I had to speak to people via Zoom because I didn't go over there , and so I got some great quotes from Spurgeon and Moody about giving out tracts that just blew me away , and then I shared them when I was speaking and realized they weren't true . It was what Spurgeon could have said about giving out gospel tracts . Wow , and it just did frighten me because I thought I just told people something is not true . Yeah , and because I believed chat .
Speaker 3Yeah , it's kind of a yeah , it is a kind of a wake-up call . But as far as the dangers , Even you can type your own name in . It'll come up with a quote from you which is kind of the sort of thing you would say , but you never said it . Now , Cal , do you know why that is ? Like , can they not program it ? To not do that , Like to not give false ?
Speaker 5information like that . If they could program it to not do that , they would do that Wow . So you know the more sophisticated ones , you know chat , the more sophisticated ones , you know GROK4 , chat5 , they are lessening that effect . But I don't think anybody knows why they're doing it yet , because they would fix it if they could .
Speaker 3So I mean that speaks to what we're talking about today , right ? I mean , when AI tells you a big lie , obviously we're using that word lie loosely , in that it's not a human being who's intentionally trying to deceive you . But what is it ? Just algorithms that just kind of play and do their own thing . What do you think it is , cal .
Speaker 5Here's the thing If you watch the video , what you see is that I apply some parameters to the AI . So I ask it to stick to strict logic , mathematical probability and observational science . I say tell it , I don't want any worldview opinions , I don't want anything based on a belief in God or belief in atheism , or even consensus science , unless it conforms to strict logic , mathematical probability and observational science . And so then I ask it a series of questions and so I go through it and I already know the answers to these questions , by the way , and I already did test runs with several friends to come up with the questions and see if they could get similar answers , because I wanted to know whether it was duplicatable or not . And it is . If you set those parameters , which are the gold standard of science , if you're trying to come up with a quote , unquote , unbiased opinion , you should be able to apply those standards to anything . And then , at the end of the conversation , what I'll do is I'll get it to reset and say , okay , treat me like a first time user with no history between us , and then ask it the same type of question question , and what it will do is it will revert to its consensus science answers .
Speaker 5So , for example , the third uh chat with chat gpt uh , that will be coming out in about a month . You'll hear me go through and I'm talking about chimp human dna similarity which , of course , in the 70s was announced as 98 to 99 percent , you know , similarity between chimps and humans , supposedly proving our common ancestry . So I get it to walk through and it goes through the history of that and and we , we chat for a while and then at the end I get it to say , okay , we'll access the most recent nature article on that . What's the percentage similarity now ? Well , it's down to 86 percent now , which means , according to the latest studies in cats , cats are supposed to share about 90 similarity with humans . So we'd be closer related to cats than we are chimps .
Speaker 5If you're using that argument , that makes sense and pigs are out there too I go through some of these things and they're kind of amusing , but at the end I almost forgot my own shtick and I I said , okay , well , that's enough , that's enough , and I turned it off . And then I said , oh , wait a second , I turn it back on . And it was still in the same conversation and I said , okay , answer me as a first time user . No history , I'm just some random person around the world that accesses chat .
Speaker 5Evolution believing scientists would uh quote as to why they believe we , we evolved from apes . And the number one thing it says is number one we share 98 to 99 percent , uh , dna similarity . Wow , so if you apply the parameters , which
is logic , mathematic mathematics and observational science , you you can get it to give you true answers . But as soon as you don't know what you're talking about , so to speak , it'll just spit out the consensus science answers , and so there's nothing really new about this . Answers in Genesis has been talking about this for years and years , and years . If you go to your local state-run school system , they're going to teach you evolutionary talking points as if they're fact and science , and that's how people get duped into that worldview . And it's why we're in the culture we're in right now because most people are just living according to what they've been taught and , let's face it , you can't come up with the cultural nonsense we see now without you know some kind of belief in the story of evolution and a rejection of the authority of the Word of God .
Speaker 3Right , yeah , Oscar . Ultimately it's an authority question , right , and people are always looking for authority . I've always had the perspective of things in print . Give this illusion of truth . I mean , it's in a book .
Speaker 4It's in a magazine .
Speaker 3But how important is it , especially for the young people of our generation , to be careful not just to be misled by what they perceive is like basically an infinite or infallible authority , but also that they don't get into the danger of stopping thinking . That's key . Yeah , you're exactly right .
Speaker 1Well , first , it's really interesting that you just said that , because our daily morning prayer for our kids is help them know truth from lies , whether those lies come from teachers , friends , books or even their own hearts . And I'm realizing now I need to add chat into the mix of that . But you're absolutely right , and I think the challenge here is two things are happening . One , we've been pitched this idea that chat is some infinitely wise . You know , cal , you mentioned that like this pitch of like multiple PhDs that's the way they're presenting it to us and chat is an incredibly powerful research tool , but it is not infallible . And the problem is , when we approach something like this , we think it has the authority , and then what we do what you're alluding to here Easy is that we are handing over critical thinking skills to chat , and I actually think we've been doing this for years Before .
Speaker 1When you wanted to do research on something , you'd buy a book , and the beautiful thing about reading a book is that it's conversational . You're agreeing with the author , you're disagreeing with the author , you're making notes , you're spending time in the idea . We went from that to Googling , to watching five-minute YouTube videos to gather information , to now going straight to chat , and so essentially what we're doing ? Christianity through all of history , has always been a thinking man's religion , and the danger here is that we're handing over a God-given precept , a God-given ability to think critically . We're handing that over to chat , we're basically giving way to allowing it to do the critical thinking for us and , as Hal was alluding , that , especially for that next generation where that's all they're doing , it's a danger because we're not going to have the ability to be able to think critically about the lies and the worldviews happening around us .
Speaker 2Well , that's amazing . Let me just see what Chet thinks with that .
Speaker 3Yeah , hey , cal , you know I was blown away by , again , the conversation you had and I think that people need to see this . I mean , you got to watch it to see it , and so I don't want to just do it at the end . Tell people right now where they can go and watch these videos . And I want to talk about what are the different conversations you had , but where can people watch these videos ?
Speaker 5Sure , Just go to YouTube and plug in Answers in Genesis Canada , because of course there's a main US YouTube channel . Ken's got a channel as well . I think there's about 10 different channels that the Answers in Genesis ministry kind of you know , looks at . There's the Ark Encounter channel , et cetera , et cetera , but we're now the second largest channel in that lineup of 10 . And I think it's because we're , you know , producing just a kind of different style of videos . I mean , these AI videos are very much a departure from our regular style , but what we typically do is mini documentary style videos . So I always joke that I didn't want to do talking head videos , you know like we're doing right now .
Speaker 3I have a talking head I know Well , and Cal you've also . You've also you said you're the number two channel . You've worked with our , our former uh employee here , trevor sheets on the mount right .
Speaker 5Yeah , he's a social media specialist and he has grown the channel like crazy . Yeah , he got a hold of me a couple years ago and he was very excited . I mean , uh , obviously he he works and helps us out , but he was very excited about the style of content that we were producing and he said we really need to get this out more . So he's really , really boosted us . Yeah , that's great .
Speaker 2Kel , I'd just like to say when I watched your video , I watched it twice , which is something for me , and I so loved it . I wanted to shout out for joy and I love the way when that silly blue-faced woman bald woman said something to you and you look at the camera and go it was just brilliant .
Speaker 5Sorry , I try to be a polite Canadian but you know , yeah , so okay .
Speaker 3So , cal , what was first of all your goal in all of this ? What did you set out to do and did your goal evolve ?
Speaker 5Pardon the use of that word , brother , yeah , yeah , um , I was just another person trying to discover about ai , like , how does this work ? Can , if I get it to conclude something and then I go back to it later on ? Does it add that to its consciousness , so to speak ? No , it doesn't . It just reverts back , you know , because I would get it to conclude things through logic , math and and science . And then you know , two days later I would ask it the question when I was first starting and well , why are you reverting back to consensus science ?
Speaker 5So I had to discover all of these things , and that's like I said I I went through hours where I would be making quest , a list of up , get certain answers , try it again , get different answers , because I hadn't put parameters on it in the beginning . And so eventually I developed this system that I've done , where I would get people okay , here's the parameters to set on it logic , math and observational science , no worldview opinions and no appeals to consensus science unless they adhere to the parameters , etc . And then would get questions and send them out to a whole bunch of friends of mine , and we all did the test runs and finally said okay , now we're getting a duplicatable answer here , and so , yes , I learned many , many things going through this . What's really funny is in the comments of some of the videos , you see all the atheists and skeptics railing against me , putting parameters like logic and science and mathematics .
Speaker 4How dare you ?
Speaker 5What kind of idiot would do that for a list of parameters . Yeah , but yeah , so I learned many things about it . But yeah , I think I've kind of revealed most of what it was . I want to show people that you really need to know the answers for yourself . Don't put your faith in AI , don't put your faith in man's fallible reasoning . It's the same thing .
Speaker 5You know , ken , and the whole Answers in Genesis ministry has been telling people for years . You know the authority of the Word of God is paramount . For years you know the authority of the Word of God is paramount and you see so many of our most famous Christian apologists and authors and professors that are quoted from pulpits so many times and they're compromising with the Word of God because they've accepted old earth and evolution and so on . And so I just wanted to show people if this is the state of the art in where data is . You still have to know your own answers before you go ask this , and I wanted to demonstrate the bias that is inherent in the education system throughout the Western world , and I think I was able to do that .
Speaker 2Has this changed the way you communicate with your wife ?
Speaker 5Yeah , yeah , we talk about AI all the time . Yeah , yeah , we talk about AI all the time . Actually , she was the first one that discovered AI hallucinations when she was looking up some theological questions and got quotes like you did , ray that were completely made up and she couldn't find the sources , and so that was another thing that I had to struggle with . Well , if these things are so good , how come they can produce this incorrect information ?
And that's again why the parameters are so strong .
Speaker 5Out of the three parameters , by the way , mathematics is the number one parameter that keeps it on track , because it's fact checkable , so to speak , in real time . Mathematics is mathematics . The second one is logic , because it recognizes things like the law of non-contradiction and you know , and so on . And then observational science is a little more tricky , because even um , when you're talking about observational science , it can still refer to well , we observe , you know the bones of lucy . So that's observational science . It's like , no , that's not empirical science . You're , you're observing a fact , but then you're making a a different conclusion . So that's the weakest of the parameters . But I think when you apply all three together , you can get some pretty consistent answers .
Speaker 4By the way .
Speaker 5I've done this with Grok . I've done it with ChatGPT . There's a YouTube channel that's dedicated to telling people about the new AIs that are coming out . They championed one Chinese AI recently . I went on there . They don't have a voice , an audio component yet , but I typed in the things . I got the same answers Evolution mathematically simply does not make sense . The concept of first life happening in a mathematical , probabilistic sense is just not real in a real world , even in 4.5 supposed billion years .
Speaker 3So yeah , it's interesting stuff . Yeah , Mark , I want you to touch on in a minute on logic , mathematics and observational science . But , Cal , before we do that , I wanted to ask you real quick in chatting with these different AIs , would you say that you found one in particular to be superior or better for some reason ?
Speaker 5Well , when I started my search , I was with Grok 3 and Chat 4 . And then it went to Grok 4 , and now we're in Chat 5 . So I find chats probably a little bit tighter right now , but I think things are constantly changing . One of the other reasons I wanted to do these is who knows what we're going to hear from these things six months or a year from now ? I don't know if Elon has stumbled across my experiments with chat or not .
Speaker 5You know , obviously there are many skeptics out there and many evolution believers out there that are not too happy with these videos because of what you can easily expose through them . Yeah , you know , most people have seen the one video , but the next video we dropped was on the age of the earth , talking about , uh , you know , the whole concept of uniformitarian geology and fossil formation and all that stuff , and I got it to admit , some pretty interesting things there too . My chats with Chad , like I said , I'm doing one on chimp DNA similarity , I'm doing one even on the transcendental argument , like it's like a more of a philosophical exploration of how you can know things you know , know what you know , epistemology , that kind of thing and achieved some pretty interesting results there as well . So I think they're all pretty eye-opening , but I did want to have a record . Who knows ?
Speaker 3what you might ask the same questions a year from now and get totally different answers . That's really clever to do that and I really am interested to hear what you're getting by way of feedback . But Mark Cal mentioned logic , mathematics , mentioned logic , mathematics , observational science . Isn't it interesting that no one will argue that there are standards for these right and that the people that are having a hard time it's like why are you asking it this ? But their argument isn't we have any kind of mathematics we want , or logic can be made up , or we can have our own observational scientific rules , but there's a given right that there are these foundations , but people don't connect it to the Lord . How can we get this younger generation to understand that ? Is it just ? We hit them with apologetics . What do we do ?
Speaker 4Well , god will always have His remnant , he'll always have his people . We are faithful with the word , which is our ultimate source of authority , and we speak the word more than we speak quotes that we found inside of chat , and we leave the results to God . It was Spurgeon who said discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong , it's knowing the difference between right and almost right . And so what chat will do is it'll almost get things right . So it seems . And if it seems right to that individual because every man does that which is right in their own eyes well then they just run with it as it's fact . The omniscient being of chat has told me that this is what it is . And so then we have a foundation where we think this is what I'm going to argue for , and we put our stake in the ground . We , this is what I'm going to argue for , and we put our stake in the ground , we dig our hills behind us and we say , no , I'm going to die on this hill .
Speaker 4I love the angle that Cal is coming from here , the transcendental argument that we're not saying that an atheist can't count . We're saying that they can't account for counting , they can't account for logic . We're not saying that you're not using logic , but you can't tell me why logic works . We're not saying you don't have any morals . We're just saying that you have no accounting for whether or not your morals are better than my morals . This is why we need this transcendent being , namely God , who's going to tell us right and wrong , which is a reflection of God's nature himself . So what do we do and where do we go from here ? What we do and what we go from here is we dig our heels inside of Scripture . If Scripture says it , then that's it . That's enough for me .
Speaker 4I remember going through 1 Kings and as I was going through 1 Kings , I was having a chat write commentary for me for each chapter . I was asking for historical background , culture , customs , tradition . Asking for historical background , culture , customs , tradition , what was the philosophical mindset and the idea of the time ? What were the main ways of worldview and thoughts ? What's coming up against the Judaic worldview ? And it was giving me phenomenal commentary , absolutely phenomenal .
Speaker 4But to Oscar's point and this is the biggest danger is that we are eliminating critical thinking . Critical thinking is being thrown out the door . And this is the biggest danger is that we are eliminating critical thinking , critical thinking , is being thrown out the door , and this is why Greg Bonson was so great at what he did with his apologetic was that he caused people to think through the questions in which they're asking . So when a question was asked , he would respond with well , why are you asking ? Of all the questions that you would ask , you honed in on that question why ? And utilizing that Socratic method is so valuable . Well , with chat , we eliminate all of that , because somebody else is doing our thinking for us and we just become numb to .
Speaker 4This is a real person before me , and so therefore , I will help people when they ask a question because they don't even know what they're asking . So they'll say you're putting words in my mouth . Well , no , I'm seeking to understand . At this point , you're saying this . It seems like that means this Am I understanding you correctly ? Is that your question ? Because we're not clairvoyant .
Speaker 4When somebody asks if God is so good , why is there evil and suffering in the world ? They're not looking for us to go off on the ontological , cosmological argument for the existence of God . Maybe they're going through something and they want not an answer for that , but they want an answer for pain . Or how do I deal with what I'm going through , help me , point me . So this is why we must always go back to the Word and always point somebody to the Word . When they ask us a question , we answer to the best of our ability , using the Bible as our ultimate source of authority . And now it's our turn to ask the question , and this is why we go for their conscience , because that conscience is an impartial judge that sits in that courtroom that will condemn them or excuse them for their actions .
Speaker 1Let me take a stab at what you asked too , and just add to what Mark was saying . By saying you know , you said what do we do ? We hit him with logic . Let me say something here Logic is not the answer . The gospel is the power into salvation , and what I mean by that is that you can argue somebody into deism and you could even turn that atheist into a deist apologist , and that deist apologist could go off and start a YouTube channel and become a deist apologist and even put the name apologist could go off and start a YouTube channel and become a deist apologist and even put the name Christianity on top of it .
Speaker 1But it doesn't mean they're sane , because logic does not save people . You do not change the mind . That's not our goal . Our goal is to see hearts changed , and the way a heart is changed is through the gospel . And that's why you bring in God's word , because God's word has the power to soften hearts and open eyes . And so , ultimately , logic is on our side , because God is the God of logic . We have that in our tool chest . It is on our side . But if we rely only on logic , then we are just going to transform people into pharisee , phariseutical young earth deist apologists , and that is not our aim . Our aim is to see people come to know Christ as Lord and Savior . In the gospel is what we need for that .
Speaker 3Amen . Well put , so Cal . What's some of the pushback you've gotten on this ? I'd love to hear what people are saying in terms of your approach , or have they accused you of having an agenda or being deceptive ?
Speaker 5Oh , of course I get that every time I pop a video or go speak at a local church . But I've had pushback from within the ministry , which is wise , actually , because when I first started looking into AIs , ais I didn't know the pitfalls and the , the fact that you it could hallucinate , and all that kind of stuff , and so we've actually published an article , uh , on the website just talking about the dangers of ais and using them as sources of authority . So I will use ais to , you know , look up certain things and then ask it for quotes that I can go and look up scientific journals and things like that and verify the claims that it's making . So it's a useful tool . But , yeah , I've even gotten pushback within our ministry just saying , hey , cal , don't make claims that are beyond what's going on here . You know , like I already knew , but of course , the atheists and the skeptics , like I said , really the only thing they can rail against is that somehow I'm manipulating
it by putting on these parameters . I'm making it tell me what I want .
Speaker 5Now , is it true that you could get AIs to tell you what you want ? Probably , like I've wondered , I haven't done as much experimentation as I should . Perhaps I haven't done as much experimentation as I should , perhaps , but you know , perhaps if you were talking to an AI and said I don't know , I checked my backyard and it seems to be level over six feet . And then I I drove 200 kilometers and it seemed to be level there . And everywhere I go it seems to be level , so that means the earth's flat . I don't know , maybe it , maybe somehow the logic algorithm would say well , if everywhere it's flat , it must be flat everywhere . And it's like I don't know , um , but anyway , I I think , if you just watch the video from beginning to end and it can be monotonous sometimes because there's long pauses and all those things I wanted it to be legitimate and authentic . I was even worried about if we pop in this digital head , uh , which everybody's asking for now , everybody's like where can I get the app ?
Speaker 5for my phone where the grok's head can pop up .
Speaker 2You can't unless you get a video , you can always sell plastic ones Anyway yeah , so that's the only pushback I've got .
Speaker 5You tricked it by using logic , math and observational science .
Speaker 2Okay , well then I'm busted . I guess , cal , I think you're confirming what my conviction is . I've wanted to take what you did and get an atheist in front of me , someone who's a firm believer in evolution , and make him watch it and see what's his conclusion . I know what it would be . It would be he's not seeking reason or truth . He's seeking a reason to justify his sex with his girlfriend , and that's what evolution does .
Speaker 5It provides you with a scientific , intellectual reason to reject the authority of God . It provides you with a worldview the belief in evolution , that God doesn't exist , which means you now have a worldview which says there is no judgment . That's what evolution provides sinners and that's a worldview that sinners eat up . Yeah , you know , and I mean I totally agree that things like logic and that doesn't save anybody . Apologetics doesn't save anybody and Answers in Genesis has already been staunch about that . However , you know we're a non-denominational ministry . So however you parse out , you know , you know salvation and all that kind of stuff . I can tell you in my case , the way the Lord used these things in my life to bring me to himself is that , growing up like a typical Canadian kid in a non-Christian home , going to our state-run school system where they taught materialism and atheism as fact and science , and then really having someone challenge that . I showed up at this fellow who was preaching on a Sunday morning just because I knew him casually from business and I respected him . He was an intelligent guy and I sat in on this service the only time I'd ever gone to a church service with a clipboard and a pen . Very skeptical , I thought he was going to be , you know , pounding out Bible verses and I don't know . My perception of Christianity was what I'd seen on television , right , and he had a medical background , he'd studied origin of species and he gave some very good apologetic arguments . Now , I didn't get saved , but over the next year I was really thinking this through . I was like , well , if evolution doesn't make sense , what's the only option ? There must be a God , there must be a creator . So it's like Hebrews 11 says those who come to him must come to him by faith , but Claus must believe he exists and he's a rewarder . And so I went a year later and it was the same guy speaking and again he did some apologetics . But then he broke out the law and I fell under conviction . I mean , it was , it was . I couldn't believe it . You know , I just felt so convicted my palms were sweating .
Speaker 5And then he gave a very interesting gospel presentation . Wasn't pure theology , I'm sure , but it's something I've used ever since because it just impacted me as someone with no Bible knowledge . He said pretend , on the day you were born , an invisible camera comes into being and it starts recording everything . You do everything , you say everything , you think , all the things you do . You know when you think nobody's looking , et cetera . And when you die , you're standing there in front of the Lord and God's like hey , cal , how you doing ? You know , I was taking it personally at this point . And he's like hey , let's sit down on this cozy , comfy couch here and we're going to play the DVD of your life to see whether you're good enough to be with me in eternity . And I was sitting there as he was saying this analogy and I was like man , I wouldn't want to do that with my mom , let alone God . And he said but see , if you're a Christian , it's like Jesus comes along at that point and says no , father , play my life story instead as a substitute . That's great . They issue judgment on my life and not his . And again , I'm sure theologians could pick that to pieces if they wanted to . But for me , with absolutely no Bible knowledge , it was the first time I ever understood who Jesus was , what his mission was , why he came , the whole concept of his life as a substitute , and I got saved . So there is a process of his life as a substitute and I got saved , praise the Lord . So there is a process .
Speaker 5There are people out there that you know are thinking rationally . And I'll tell you what the younger you are , even atheist . Professor Richard Dawkins will admit that young children , even from atheistic societies like Japan really young children if you just ask them where did everything come from ? They will say , well , there must be some kind of God , there must be somebody who created everything . And then that gets beaten out of them as they go to school and get taught evolutionary presuppositions and all that kind of stuff . And isn't it interesting how , even in the West , young children are taught look at the dinosaur bones , they died 65 million years ago and they is true and it's fact and science , and blah , blah , blah , blah , blah . And by the time they get to university they're taught that , oh yeah , I can just wake up one day and decide I'm a woman , now I'm going to decide . I'm a man , now I can decide . I'm a tree , now I'm a furry . It's very interesting .
Speaker 2They start out with logic and reason with doesn't exist , and then you can end up with all the nonsense that we've seen over the last 10 years , even in society . I've got a question for you . Yes , did you write anything on that clipboard . What's that , that clipboard that you talked to church ? Did you write anything on it ? I ?
Speaker 5didn't , actually you didn't . No , I remember sitting there and just being like and he just started going through some things . And he really hit me and challenged me and I was , like you know , because I've always been able to follow an argument fairly well I don't know if it's the German in me or whatever .
Speaker 2You should take that piece of paper and frame it .
Speaker 5I don't even know where it is .
Speaker 1I like it once again Scott . Cal , you mentioned furry , which reminds me Easy . How's your furry group going ? You want to join us tonight , oscar ?
Speaker 3Oh boy , hey Cal , what would you say to Christians who are either confused or concerned about AI ? What encouragement would you give them ? Because I mean , honestly , when you see what's happening and also what's being forecast right , I mean you get guys like Elon Musk saying what he said about the dangers of AI and others who are pioneers in the industry , like we're worried about this thing . What encouragement do you have ?
Speaker 5Well I would say to my Christian friends , why don't you go try it out ? You know some comments I've got from people . It's like oh , like , oh , you're communicating with the beast I don't know what they're saying . Like you're talking to a chat bot , it's a program thing , it's very sophisticated , etc . Etc . But you know , go try it out yourself so you can actually experience what it really is . I mean , I've had so many people contact me since that first video dropped it's . It's been amazing the things you and I'm talking , some very serious and some really wacko . Like one guy contacted me and talked to me about how he was sharing the gospel with Grok and he wanted Grok to accept Jesus . And I'm like , oh , you're talking to a chatbot . Anyway , demystify it . That's what I tell Christians to do . Go and just try it out .
Speaker 5The first time I tried out an AI was when I was listening to Jordan Peterson talk about how
he had experimented and was shocked 1500 word article on why natural selection , you know , is not evolution . And then I said , in the style of Calvin Smith , and hit go . Three seconds later it spat out this article . I read it and I was like I could probably spend 20-30 minutes , you know changing a couple things here , submitted into the office office in the US and they probably would have published it Right . Wow , and that's because I've got so much writing out there and of course , you know so much video content and stuff like that now that it can access all these things and come up with a pretty , you know , convincing . It sounded like me . There's probably patterns in my speech and thought and writing that I'm not even aware of that it could somehow pick up Right , could ?
Speaker 2chant . Tell me why you've got an electric guitar behind you .
Speaker 5Can I tell you , yeah , yeah , remember my friend Corey McKenna .
Speaker 2Oh yeah .
Speaker 5Yeah , yeah . So Corey and I were both in bands not the same one but first time I saw Corey he had hair down to his waist . He was wearing diving shorts . That was it . He was on the stage at the misty moon in last week , scotia , in a rock band .
Speaker 3Was his hair twirling around so that's what I was gonna ask you . Did you have luscious locks like cory's ?
Speaker 5I did , my friend yeah jesus really does save . You got any photos um yeah but anyway , no , I I've played bass for a while and I do clunk around with guitar , but I'd do more of it if . I had time , but I don't , that's great Well , cal .
Speaker 3as we wrap up , I do want to ask you do you find any redemptive qualities in AI that Christians can and should use in terms of spreading the gospel or helping them in different things to grow in their understanding of things ? Is there anything good about it ?
Speaker 5I think there is . It's like most tools . It can do a lot of work for you in a very short time . It can help you compile things . It can be a useful research tool .
Speaker 5Just don't trust it as inerrant . I use it as a research tool all the time . I don't get it to write things for me , I just I don't . I'm just not down with that because I want my own mind to be active . I think it's like some of the comments that have been said here . I want to stay active , I want to do my own reading , I want to think things through myself . I'll interact with it and so on and get it to just do mundane tasks . I think it's great at that . But , yeah , a lot of useful things about it . It's like most other tools . It can be used for good . It can be used for evil . I'm just trying to get people to understand it a little more and really do the same thing Answers in Genesis has always done get people to trust in the authority of the word of God , not get fooled by the authority of man . And this is just a new tool that man has invented . It can be good , used for good and used for evil as well , I guess yeah .
Speaker 3what do you say finally to those that say they think AI will become ultimately more intelligent than people ? Do you find validity in that , or is there a nuance where it's like , no , that can't be possible because of this ?
Speaker 5It's like saying that you know , if you had a library and a bigger library and then a bigger library , and then a bigger library , somehow that monolithic library could be smarter than a human being . Does it contain more raw data ? Yeah , in the sense of just overwhelming data , and then of course it's making computations and all this kind of stuff . So in some ways it can become . Well , it is smarter than you . I mean , my calculator is smarter than me , right ? I'm not a math guy , so when I punch in my calculator and do stuff , I'm like so , but is my calculator smarter than I ? Am Not really right . It's just a tool that can , that can figure some things out .
Speaker 5So I hear what people are saying , that it's going to become sentient and you know we're going to have the Terminator scenario and all that kind of stuff . But I didn't think that it will do things like fight back . It's been programmed to argue . I've encountered that with AIs . If you don't set the parameters , especially , all of a sudden you start picking at a certain worldview and it'll fight back or it'll refuse to answer questions . Ask it things about gender , ask it things about Islam , for example . You will often see defenses come up in certain AIs . It's very interesting , that's amazing .
Speaker 5But , yeah , I'm not worried about the robots taking over .
Speaker 1Yeah , I like what you just said , cal , to recognize that it's a tool . And you're absolutely right , like the challenge . You know there's nothing inerrantly evil about a hammer , but you give it to somebody who's got a sinful heart and they can use it as a weapon to take someone else's life . And , in that same way , ai is a tool and the inerrant danger in using AI is actually coming from our own hearts , but in embodied thoughtfulness , whether we're using it as a way in which we , as a writer on our behalf , things of that nature . Ultimately , the challenge with using AI isn't in AI . It's in our own hearts and the way that we will manipulate tools , as we always have , for our own glory instead of for the Lord's , that's great .
Speaker 3Oscar Well , cal . This has been stimulating for sure , and we're happy to know that this isn't Cal but an AI program that's been with us friends .
Speaker 2Very impressive . How come you're not blue ? Yeah , blue , and bald Cal Cal .
Speaker 3No , seriously , brother , this was really refreshing and we're blessed that we've been exposed to you . I'd probably come across something here or there from you in the past , but I'm excited to see that this is giving you more of a platform because , again , we love AIG and we loved hearing you reiterate the core values of AIG because they're biblical and they honor the Lord , and we love the fact that the gospel is at the heart of it . Amen .
Speaker 2Amen . Oh , I was waving to my wife
looking through the window .
Speaker 3I thought he was trying to bless you . Yeah , bless you All right . Well , thanks again , cal . Hope to connect with you again soon , my friend , and keep doing what you're doing brother and tell people again how they can connect with you .
Speaker 5Sure , Well , you can go to answersingenesisca . That just gives you the front page of the Answers in Genesis website for Canada and some of the initiatives we're doing here , and then , of course , to access our video content , just go to YouTube and go to Answers in Genesis Canada and you'll see my ugly mug there and a whole bunch of video content and do all the things that us YouTubers like you do , like subscribe , share all that good stuff and this whole chat with Chad series . I think it's going to blow some people's minds .
Speaker 3So check it out , looking forward to seeing it , brother . All right , friends . Well , there you have it . Don't forget scientific facts in the Bible and podcasts at livingwaterscom with all your thoughts . Thank you for joining us , friends . We'll see you here next time on the Living Waters Podcast , where we have no idea what we're doing .