Ep. 395 - Frontline Advocates

In a world flooded with competing narratives, truth can feel buried beneath emotion, media influence, and cultural pressure. Ray, E.Z., Mark, and Oscar sit down with Eliana Solomonn, who goes by Ellie, along with Shaya Leban and Chad Williams, to unpack the battle for truth surrounding Israel and the rise of modern propaganda. The guys explore how misinformation spreads rapidly, especially among younger generations, shaping opinions before facts are examined. Ellie shares firsthand experience of growing up in a Jewish community, moving to Israel, and witnessing the realities of conflict that many only see through filtered headlines. Her story highlights how easily truth can be distorted when narratives are driven by emotion rather than reality.

The conversation dives into the growing influence of propaganda and how it is shaping public perception on a global scale. The guys discuss how outrage and emotional manipulation are often used to sway opinions, especially through media and social platforms. Ellie and Shaya explain how even firsthand experiences can be misrepresented, recalling moments where real events were reported in ways that barely resembled the truth. This disconnect reveals how powerful and subtle misinformation can be. The guys emphasize that discernment is critical, especially in a time when many are told what to think rather than how to think.

Ellie shares the personal impact of the October 7 attacks and the emotional toll of witnessing her country in crisis. She describes the fear, confusion, and heartbreak as sirens sounded and daily life turned into chaos. In the aftermath, she attended funerals, comforted grieving families, and saw the weight of loss across her community. The pain was compounded when she saw people abroad protesting Israel, revealing a stark contrast between lived experience and public perception. Her story underscores the importance of hearing real voices rather than relying solely on the media.

Finally, the guys bring the conversation back to the deeper spiritual reality behind the conflict. They discuss the role of evil, the influence of Satan as the source of deception, and the need to combat lies with truth. The gospel becomes the ultimate lens through which to understand both the world's brokenness and the hope of redemption. The guys emphasize that truth is not relative but grounded in God, and that believers are called to seek it, share it, and stand firm in it. In the end, the conversation points to the power of truth to cut through deception and the hope found in Christ alone.

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Transcript

Why Stories Cut Through Noise

SPEAKER_00 0:00

And as much as I feel that I I contributed physically, I saw what was happening here and it was breaking my heart. And I knew that my story can help bring people back to our side. I knew that I I needed to do something with it. That the facts, the the the the politics, the ever the news, those are not things that are going to help us right now. People need to hear these personal stories. People need to hear what we have experienced as Israelis, as people. Before we're Israelis, before we're Jewish, we are just people. And we deserve a right to our homeland. We deserve a right to talk about our homeland without feeling scared. To walk around with it with a Star of David. I want to give people that right, and I and I feel that I can I can help them, and I feel that the people that are with me can help them.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

Oh well, I guess that's the way life goes. But man, I'll tell you what an opportunity God gave us with these two precious souls. Now they're Jewish, yet they gave us permission, because we asked them beforehand, to share the gospel with them. I wish I could have been here. I mean, think about it. The Arab, right? The Lebanese guy, along with my father-in-law, Ray Comfort, the Jew. I've been saying for years that together we are the answer to the Mideast crisis. But it was not so. But Mark, Oscar, Ray, and our dear friend Chad Williams did an amazing job. Now, as you'll see, things were real, they were raw, and at some points they even got tense. But I'm confident that you're going to see the hand of God in this. Here you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Well,

October 7 And Competing Narratives

SPEAKER_01 1:54

hello, friends. And welcome to a special Living Waters podcast. And why is it so special? Not only is Easy not here, which makes it extremely special. Wonderful. Makes it an absolute breath of fresh air, but we have some very special guests that'll be joining us inside the studio. But before we do so, I want to go back in time. I don't want to go back in time to 1955, where we see Marty McFly introducing us to the hoverboards, but I want to go back to October 7th, 2023. It is a day that will live in infamy in the eyes of so many people. And for some, it's understood like this. On October 7th, 2023, Palestinian resistance groups broke through the Gaza barrier in response to years of conflict and affliction from the enemy, the Jews. The violence that followed must be understood in that context. And yet, for those who fall on the correct side of history, they may word it like this. On October 7th, 2023, Hamas carried out a brutal terrorist attack against Israel, murdering over a thousand civilians, kidnapping hundreds, and carrying out extreme violence that shocked the world that included beheadings and rapings. Same day, same event, completely different story. Now, our friends at Answers in Genesis will explain it like this. They would say, Well, we all have an innate presupposition. That we all have presuppositions. We're born with them. And because of these presuppositions, we look at the same evidence, but we come to different conclusions. And we all have them. Ray has them, Chad has them, I have one. You all have them. Whether it's a biblical worldview or whether it's a secular worldview, you have a presupposition, and you bring that presupposition to the table when you have a conversation. George Orwell is credited as saying: the further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who proclaim it. Or, as Kirkegore, not to be confused with Al Gore, Ray Comfort's favorite vice president, he said, There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what is true, and the other is to refuse to accept what is actually true. And to help us to get past the lies and the misinformation, we have Mr. Propaganda himself, Ray Comfort. Thank you for getting out of bed this morning and away from your chicken. Thank you so much. And then we also have Oscar Navarro. No cup of coffee in hand. Just tea. Just some hot tea.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

Can I just qualify what you said? I got 22 chickens at home. They lay eggs, my chickens do. And I've figured out how to make them lay eggs. You lean in in the morning and say, What's for dinner tonight, ladies? Eggs or chicken. And they pump out those eggs like you wouldn't believe. So that's what he's referring to. Not my wife, but when he's talking about chickens, he's talking about our physical chickens. This is true.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

And we're also joined by

Guests Join And Missions Introduced

SPEAKER_01 5:05

former U.S. Navy SEAL Chad Williams, who is uh really a friend of the family, but family of family. How long did you work here, Chad?

SPEAKER_05 5:14

Uh a couple of years, but it was really my first opportunity in ministry coming out of the SEAL teams. I remember before I was going to Iraq, my last deployment. Ray asked me, you know, what I was going to do when I got back home. And I said, I don't know exactly, but I know I want to be in ministry. And he said, you know, call me up. I might have something for you when you get back home. And so I've just been so blessed ever since. And yeah, I've always felt like Living Waters is in my DNA.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

You reminded me of when I asked you to open Air Preach. Could you share that story?

SPEAKER_05 5:44

The first time I opened Air Preach, I never imagined I would be doing what the guy up there on the box is doing. I'd like to just kind of be there and be in the presence and listen to people give him hard questions and listen to his answers. And then yeah, Ray had asked me uh if I've ever opened air preached before. And I'm like, no. He says, Have you ever jumped out of an airplane before? I was like, oh yeah. He goes, I hear that, you know, open air preaching, taking that first step on the box is a lot like taking that first step outside of an airplane. And I, of course, laughed at that, like, no. And he goes, Oh, you don't think so, Navy SEAL? Why don't you get up there and get on the box? And next thing I know, I was gonna have to either, you know, eat my words or go ahead and go through with it. And uh, yeah, it was way more terrifying than jumping out of an airplane, taking that first step up there on the box. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

And uh this podcast is sponsored by sponsor. We haven't had a sponsor. We do. We have today Seal of God by Chad Williams.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Yeah, we're gonna send you a bill. We're gonna give away copies.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

So, this is a book written by Chad Williams. And listen, Chad, we've heard your stories for years. Uh, individual stories, one by one, getting a firsthand uh look into your life as a Navy SEAL. Absolutely intriguing. I remember when uh I when I met you, I was through the moon with excitement when I read your book. I felt like I was right there alongside of you as I was reading inside the book. So tell us a little bit about your book and where they can find it.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

Yeah, so the book really is a biography. It's a life story, and a lot of it is gonna have to do with you know what it was like going through SEAL training and making it into the SEAL teams and then coming to faith in Christ. And Ray was honestly a huge inspiration. He's the one that really set things off. He told me, he's like, Chad, you're gonna write a book, you're gonna call it Seal of God, it's gonna sell hundreds of thousands of copies, and you're gonna travel the nation and speak. And I just laughed at that, just like the open air preaching thing, like, yeah, right. But sure enough, you know, those things have come to fruition. So it was almost prophetic uh what he was saying.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Well, the accent was pathetic.

SPEAKER_05 7:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 7:52

Perhetic.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

That's right. And uh, Chad, you brought a couple guests with you today. We have Shia and Eliana.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Eliana.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Eliana, and you prefer Ellie. Is that fine?

SPEAKER_00 8:06

That's great. Ellie?

SPEAKER_01 8:07

All right, so whatever's easiest. Well, whatever's easiest for you. Great. Now you're originally from New York. Yes. And you were born in Jerusalem. I was. But you lived in Colorado.

SPEAKER_04 8:17

For how many years? Ten years? More, till I was 18. My 18th birthday, I moved back.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 8:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

All right. And tell us about your ministry to get started, right? We have frontline advocates. Correct. And what do you guys do?

SPEAKER_04 8:29

We're here to bring the truth. We're the ones who were there. We were on the ground. We saw it, we felt it, we experienced it. Um, and at least what I'm seeing from what you guys see on the media today, there's a bit of a blockage here and kind of truth coming through the wires. And we're here to to be the humans on the other side. We like to call ourselves sometimes the uh the humans behind the ski mask. So we're here to expose the truth, share with you what's really going on, and and hopefully spre spread the light uh and enable people to continue to actually spread the light through us.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

So uh we find uh misinformation to be one of the biggest threats. Oh my I would imagine. And uh t tell us a little bit about you, where you do, what's your background, your history, how'd you get into it?

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Of course, I I want to say something also about our organization. When we talk about frontline advocates, you know, we were all on the front lines. We were all in either in combat or we were serving on bases in the front lines in Israel during the war and before. And we called this our new front line because we were there physically, but now we're fighting a different war. We like to call it the eighth front. You know, Israel's fighting seven different fronts, but the eighth front is the media, it's the misinformation, it's the narratives that the dual narratives that people are getting that aren't always correct. And we're really here to set the truth straight, and exactly as Shia was saying, it's it's coming from a personal place, of a place of actually seeing it, an emotional place, and we're here to really set the record straight. So, really, I thank you all for having us today

The Eighth Front Of Misinformation

SPEAKER_00 9:55

because I think we need more people like you that are willing to listen to the truth, that know the truth, and that want to hear it. And to all of your viewers, to all of your listeners that are also listening in and tuning in, I think even just opening up your ears, if you don't know anything about the conflict, if you if you don't have a a lot of background on what's uh on the situation that's happening right now, I think it's uh it's the first step is to just get an education, to to open your ears, to, to, to, to listen. And uh that's what we're here to do. So I I really, really thank you, first of all. Um, and I thank you all for your support.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

But it's so light to call it an eighth war, because when you study Nazi Germany, that was their one of their greatest strengths was propaganda. Lies, lies, lies, just kept pushing lies until people believed them, and that's what's happening in our nation.

SPEAKER_04 10:40

And I think it's also sometimes underestimated the actual power of that propaganda. As somebody who was oftentimes involved in decision making for what strikes we were gonna do, where we were attacking, and kind of the tactical decision making. We used to always have like a almost a thermometer of international pressure, and we would make decisions of what missions we could execute based on the state of propaganda internationally and what the world could kind of handle. Um, and so not only is it the long-term game and the big international geopolitical game, but it was an essential part of our decision making on the ground. And I think that really just goes to show kind of the power and the seriousness of what we're really dealing with today.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

There has definitely been a rise of anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism as well, two different words. And in fact, I saw a statistic recently uh dealing with the universities being indoctrinated with anti-Semitism. 86% of Ohio University students voted in favor of anti-Israel referendum. John Brown from Christian Post reported a Pew survey that said 60% of Americans harbor unfavorable views toward Israel, and yet those ages go up from 18 to 49, that percentage goes up to 70%. Why is it rising up amongst the youth today? Is it just the media? Is is there a more sinister thing happening? Is it is it Satan? Well, what is happening and why is it happening with the kids today?

SPEAKER_00 12:07

When you think about this whole conflict, it seems as if we're talking about a country that takes up the entire Middle East.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:17

For anyone who doesn't know, if you will open a map and you look at the Middle East, you can barely even see Israel. You have to zoom in to see this country.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

The name doesn't actually fit on the map. It doesn't fit in the country. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

And I think that that's what really shocks me in this whole situation. I grew up in New York City, uh, where I think right now there's uh there's there's really a huge rise in anti-Semitism. We saw the encampments that were held at Columbia University, uh the protests held outside NYU. Um we personally were just on a delegation in New York, uh, a few of us uh from our group. We set up a table at NY right in front of NYU in Washington Square Park. Um we got a lot of backfire, we got a lot of people screaming at us, threatening our our lives, uh, right there in the middle of the set of Washington Square Park. Um so I I've focused I've I've seen the anti-Semitism, I've seen the rise of hatred that has come in personally in New York City, but it's really, really everywhere. Uh you look even at European cities, and uh there are places that we don't feel as Jews that we can walk around safely in Europe, and it's starting to come to America as well.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Um the same people that are saying death to Israel are saying death to America.

SPEAKER_04 13:28

That's that's what boggles my mind. I feel like that those parts of history somehow just haven't made it to this part of the world yet. Right. You know, people uh I to go back to your question specifically, I think we're good. Humans are good, and uh that goodness is being hijacked by evil, and it's the narrative and the misinformation that is twisting people's desire to be on the right side of history to to divert them to the mission of evil. Uh and that's kind of what's um turning people sometimes that we hold so dear and that we we know so well to to such an evil cause.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Can I just put up I'm sorry, you have first yeah, lady. People like to pick a side. They like to pick a side, and when presented with the facts, you know which side to choose. We're talking about, you know, picking the the right side of history right here, but people are not presented with the facts. They're presented with what people want them to think. So when you hear about this conflict going on, and it becomes sort of a trend, especially when we're talking about the youth, we're talking about kids on college campuses that see this trend going on, and then that's what it is. It's a trend. And you want to pick the right side of history, but you don't know what the right side of history is because you're being presented with these false, this false information, with these false truths. So when you look at both of the sides and you want to pick one of the sides, of course you're gonna go with the side that most people believe in. You know, we're not a big population, we're not enough people speaking out, speaking for this country. And that's exactly what we're here to do. Because even a few voices can change the world. We really believe that. And it sounds like a big sentence, but that's what we're trying to do, because in the end, people don't even want to listen to truth anymore. They're when presented with the facts, they don't want to hear the facts. We can go and yell our facts and yell and yell about the history of Israel and yell about how we there isn't an occupation in Gaza about all the things that people try to tell us that are not true. But in the end, they're not gonna listen to our facts, they're gonna listen to our stories, they're gonna listen to who we are as people, they're gonna see the way that we are stand poised, that we stand strong in the face of hatred, and that's what they're gonna respond to. So that's really our goal here.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Chia, do you do you see people are open to a conversation once they see that you're a normal person, right? That that that you're not some crazy lunatic. No. We bring Chad in like a channel. So we're talking about a conversation, right? So they want they want to bring awareness, but are people even open to a conversation?

SPEAKER_05 15:51

It seems like they're very closed-minded because, in a lot of ways, they've they've kind of made up their mind. Because, on the one hand, this was pointed out by you guys yesterday, you know, there's a battle on the war field that has been won, but there's also this propaganda battle that has not been

Youth Trends Outrage And Ignorance

SPEAKER_05 16:05

won. And this is really out of the textbook of, you know, the Nazis, where it's the big lie, you keep repeating the same lie over and over becomes the truth. Or he who controls the youth controls the future. And that is very true. And that's what we see on these college campuses. I think it was back in about 2012 or so that that documentary uh that you guys were working on, and I I gotta be a part of a 180 movie. Originally that wasn't going to be the title, was it, Ray?

SPEAKER_02 16:31

No, I wrote a book called Hitler God on the Bible, and it studies Hitler's religion. Believe it or not, he had a concept of God that was erroneous. His God, oh Jesus was an Arian and uh was just so twisted, he had uh he had his own Bible printed, 100,000, and uh there were 12 commandments, not 10 commandments. And so I thought I'd I'd do a documentary on it. So I went around to the local college and I said, uh, have you heard of Hitler? And they said, No. Adolf Hitler, no. And I think I over a period of time I got eight people, one after the other, college students who had never heard of Adolf Hitler, which this was back in 2012.

SPEAKER_05 17:09

And that wasn't supposed to be a gotcha question.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

That was just supposed to open up in the yeah. Yeah, I had I had no words to follow up, something like that. You think, what are they teaching you in this in this?

SPEAKER_01 17:21

Well, you raise a good point there, right? I mean, Ray, you know a lot about the rest of the world because of your upbringing. You're interested in what's happening in other countries. Americans, we're not we're not raised like that. We we don't know what is happening in Europe. We don't know what's happening in Europe.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

Americans don't know there are other countries. Where other what? Other countries? Like Arizona, no, no, other countries are Canada? That's that's when I was in New Zealand, New Zealand would have new world news.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

And America doesn't have world news, it has because justifiably there's so much going on in those 50 states. And so it's all news and it's all introvert. And so, yeah, that's I I think it's a it's a negative rather than a plus.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

If you were to ask ask the question, what happened on October 7th, to a hundred Americans, I would dare say 100 Americans would say, I have no idea. What are you talking about? You might say, Well, there's a conflict uh that is happening. Are you aware of the conflict that has taken place, that has taken place, that is taken place? Yeah. Where do you get your information from? Like if I were to ask Oscar, it's a little bit different. Oscar, where do you get your news from?

SPEAKER_06 18:26

Uh, all over the place. All over the place. Not television.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Right? So this is a little bit different. If I you ask the typical person here in America, they get it one of two places.

SPEAKER_06 18:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Fox News or CNN.

SPEAKER_06 18:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Fox News or CNN. And both have a bend.

SPEAKER_06 18:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Right. And they're bent towards whatever persuasion that they want to do because it feeds the masses. And we will stoke the fire to make sure that we are against each other. And when algorithms are feeding into this, right? I remember when uh Donald Trump lost the last election, the second time when he was going, I was shocked. I was shocked to see that he lost because I lived inside of a bubble. Yeah, not a big one. A bubble where I'm continually being fed that that's the enemy, whoever they are, and there's no way they're even going to get a single vote.

SPEAKER_06 19:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Well, what's happening today with today's youth is today's youth is not being fed information from both sides. They're being fed what to believe without being able to question the narrative. Ray.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Oscar, do you want to speak to that?

SPEAKER_06 19:28

Yeah, I think uh, I mean, it reminds me of this joke that David Foster Wallace once told, which is there's two, there's two goldfish, you know, in a in a bowl, and uh one goldfish looks at the other one and says, Water feels great today, doesn't it? And the second goldfish goes, What's water? In other words, the the point here is that we are we as you're mentioning, we're all tapped into an algorithm that's feeding us. Uh, and that algorithm algorithm is pushing us. And here's the thing, that algorithm, actually, I want to go back to something you said earlier. That algorithm is actually pulling the worst out of every single one of us. It is designed to make us outraged because outrage sells. We know the data tells us you get people to vote and to buy things if they're outraged more than if they're happy. So outrage sells, which brings me to something. You mentioned something. I'm gonna shift the conversation just a little bit because something you said earlier piqued my curiosity. You mentioned that everybody is inerrantly good. Is that what you said?

SPEAKER_04 20:24

I would like to believe that in some part, at least uh an initial desire, we'll call it that.

SPEAKER_06 20:29

Yeah, where does that process come from, Kira?

SPEAKER_04 20:31

So so there's a few things, and I think something that I'd like to also, and and maybe you've heard me say this before, I believe evil exists. And I think part of the narrative that is so lacking here in the States is the concept of pure evil. And I think that we'd all like to think that with the right Starbucks, maybe some in and out and a good conversation, we could all see eye to eye. Um, and as somebody who's stared evil in the face, as I'm sure you have, it's it that won't, an in and out won't fix it. And uh, and so that definitely exists. When I say people are good, I would like to think um our family, our communities, people who are raised with our values, who are supposed to be our brethren, our partner, our partners, and um our supporters through this. I think, you know, the expectation that their value systems and morality will align with what we know to be the truth is coming from a place of the assumption that they have been raised with good. Um and that, I think, is kind of what has been. And, you know, I think you talked about manipulation through hatred of algorithms for sales purposes, for election purposes. Um, I believe it's a weapon. I believe that the algorithms today in social media platforms have become state level weapons of war. And what we're seeing today is is the effect of those weapons on our communities.

SPEAKER_06 21:46

So if I understand you correctly, you're saying that p people raised under certain contexts are good. If raised outside of that context, there's a propensity towards evil?

SPEAKER_04 21:56

I think I don't think it's about propensity and if or not in good. I think my Expectation, I think, through my paradigm of morality and ethics and kind of Judeo-Christian values is that

Evil Truth And Spiritual Blindness

SPEAKER_04 22:10

this is good. And I think that what we're seeing is that the evil is leveraging and twisting those paradigms against us. And we're kind of seeing our goodness being used against us.

SPEAKER_06 22:20

Aaron Powell So I guess the question would be where does that where where is the genesis of that evil? Where does it begin? You asking geopolitically or Um Let's maybe maybe instead of geopolitically we can talk like just humanity from a humanities perspective.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

I think and this is in in my honest opinion, I think this is something which um if you ask the evil if it's evil, it'll tell you the opposite of what we're told. Sure, I agree with that. And I think you know, history is written by the victors. Um and um it's generations of differences and kind of in perceptions that become to a point where we live in a globalist world now, where it used to be that live and let live was a reality in which we could say, You're my neighbor, you do your thing over there, I'm gonna do my thing over there, and we can coexist. Um but when that gets to the point where it's death to America, death to Israel, we want to nuke. Live and let live, and that neighborhood of you do you, I do me, is no longer a reality. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:21

Where is the birthplace of evil?

SPEAKER_04 23:30

I appreciate how thoughtful you're being. I mean it. I wanna I wanna speak truthfully. I'm really trying to uh to dive deep here. Um I mean, I think it's it's it's satanic. I think it's it's brought, you know, introduced to the script.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Do you believe the scriptures?

SPEAKER_04 23:46

I I grew up um a very religious Orthodox Jew, actually, so I'm quite familiar with the scriptures.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Yes. Yeah. I was um my mom was Jewish, and I was born just after the Second World War, believe it or not. And um my parents just were thinking of the Holocaust. So on my birth certificate, they didn't put Jewish, they put Methodist. They wouldn't even know what that meant. And so I was left without any instruction about God whatsoever. But um, you know, life is such a mystery. The first nine months, we don't remember. Thankfully. Imagine that. And then for the next three or four years, we don't even remember that. Then we come out of that, and all we've learned is how to speak and walk, etc. Don't remember that. But then there's life is just fun and pleasure and play until we lose a loved one. Maybe at the age of nine, cousin dies, an aunt dies, an uncle dies, maybe a sibling dies, and suddenly we're stopped in this reality of death. I'm gonna lose my mum and dad. Death is gonna take them. I'm gonna die. And so that happened to me, but it didn't happen until I was 20. I was too busy with my little pleasure to think deeply about life. And uh I had a Solomon experience. Familiar with Solomon? He got everything. He had more wives than I had, only one. He had more intelligence than I had, and he had a lot more money. But we had one thing in common, and is that we came to that conclusion because of death, life is like chasing the wind. It's futile. And so Solomon at the conclusion said the conclusion is fear God, keep his commandments, because God is going to judge the world. And it's gonna be a day of judgment. So I was thrown into a state of quiet futility, just like a nightmare, just inside. Didn't tell anyone until I heard the gospel. And you guys graciously said, you'll let me share the gospel. We'll do that a little later, uh, if we may. I'll just take maybe one minute to share it with you and get your thoughts. Until that time, I really want you to continue to tell us what you're about, because this is about you and not about me.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Um I'll say, I'll speak a little bit about what brings me here today, because I think I decided at the age of 18 to leave my entire family. I decided that I wanted to do something bigger than myself. I saw my friends going to colleges, and I knew that it wasn't for me. And I don't think this came from a place of facing anti-Semitism. It didn't come from a place of really even feeling the need to protect my country because I saw Israel as a place that was just so, so strong, so unbreakable, so holy, and I wanted to be a part of it. But I knew that the best way to be a part of it was to help protect it. Because I did see a little bit of the threats that we faced. Um growing up in New York, I grew up in a very Jewish community, which was a blessing. I I was almost in a sort of bubble, um, which again is a blessing because I didn't face the hardships that many Jewish people living in the diaspora do feel. Um but it also it also held me back a little bit. I didn't see that we were threatened. I didn't I didn't know how much of a threat it was. I didn't experience it until October 7th. And on October 7th, that dream was completely shattered for me. I watched this country, these people, these heroes that I felt were so unbreakable and so strong. I watched them just falling to the ground one by one.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

And that's a feeling that's You mean in death and war?

SPEAKER_00 27:27

In yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

In death.

SPEAKER_06 27:30

Where were you guys both on October 7th?

SPEAKER_00 27:32

On October 7th, I was at home.

SPEAKER_06 27:35

I in New York or in Israel. In Israel, okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Um I was about two weeks away from finishing the officers' academy. I was training to be an officer in the IDF. I'd been in the army already for about a year and a half as a lone soldier, which means that my parents live abroad. Um and I was actually supposed to go to a

A Lone Soldier On October 7

SPEAKER_00 27:55

concert on October 7th. I was excited. I was in a place where I was living my dream. I had always dreamed of coming to Israel, of learning Hebrew, of being one with the culture, and and just again, it wasn't anything about, you know, feeling like I had to protect my country from any real threat, because I really, really felt that that I was the most protected that I could possibly be. That's what I felt. I felt that I was in a place where you know no one could touch me, no one could touch my people. Um and I was really living my dream. And on October 7th, I was shattered. It was completely shattered to bits and pieces. Uh when you when you believe in something so strongly, when you when when you give your dedicate your entire life to it and watch it fall right before your eyes, it's it's a feeling that's undescribable.

SPEAKER_06 28:43

I I the I I have no idea what it would be like. The only thing I can even dis barely resemble is is like I remember 9-11 like it was yesterday. So maybe walk us through that that moment. Where were you when you got when you first heard? What what did you hear? Can you just kind of paint the picture for us? What was that moment like for you?

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Did it sound serious to you when you heard stuff was going down, or did it take some time for that to hit and settle?

SPEAKER_00 29:10

It took a lot of time. I at 6 29 9 a.m., there was the first siren. I didn't wake up for the first siren. Uh I didn't know what that sound was. I I grew up in New York. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't know what war was. Um I woke up at around, I think, 7.15 when there was another siren, and then another, and then another, and then another. In Israel, when there's a siren, you have to go down to the bomb shelter. There's some people that have bomb shelters inside of their homes. Uh, some people have it in the building next to them, in the building below them, uh in the basement below them. Um I had one in my building, and I was waiting there, and I kept hearing from all of the Israelis who have already been through this many, many times that, you know, it's just another day, that it's just something that's gonna pass, and we're gonna find out what it is, who's attacking us this time. We're gonna, you know, maybe we'll go into a short little uh kind of uh mission and and we'll finish and then and then that's it. No one knew what was going on, at least not where I was. Um and I remember that videos started coming out. And anyone who saw these videos will understand what it's like to watch them. Um we didn't have AI back then, but it didn't seem real. When you see the the streets that you love so much, these beautiful streets, anyone who's been to Israel knows how incredibly beautiful it is. When you see these these these places that you've walked on turning into a battlefield, it doesn't seem real. Again, I was supposed to go to a concert with my friends. I was a 19-year-old girl that was supposed to go to a concert with my friends, and all of a sudden you start hearing that I have friends of friends who are at a concert right now that went to go celebrate life, but they're being attacked. And you're thinking to yourself, that could have been me. And I was not near the Gazan border, but it's a mix of emotions of okay, I'm under a threat. You know, we don't know how far this is gonna go. It was it took hours and hours for people to even understand the amount, the mass casualties that were happening on the Gazan border. But you start to hear another name and another name, and you start to get texts of have you guys seen this person? Have you seen this person? Please turn on the news and look for them. Because they started filming people running from the terrorists just to see that if you could see your family members running to see if they were still alive. That's how you found out by watching on the television, on the news. So you're feeling as if your home, the place that you dreamed of, this place that you kind of built up in your head, it's just turning into a battlefield. It's unimaginable. It's it's it's watching the the worst horror movie you've ever seen in your entire life. I remember once I understood really what was happening. Um I was living with roommates at the time, everyone started getting called back to the army. We were all in the army. Um it was just a couple of days off that we had. And so I really was at home. And in the weeks following October 7th, my job, which I can get back into that later, but again, I was in the officers' academy, and instead of finishing the course and getting my my uh ranks as an officer, I had to be at funerals of soldiers. Now, these weren't soldiers that I knew, these were soldiers that fell in the days following October 7th, but their team could not come to their funeral. And when you have an an army funeral, I'm sure this is similar to in America, um, you have to have representatives of the IDF, you have to have representatives of the army to come and be there and to see the family, so that the family can look into our eyes and think and see, you know, uh the representatives of the army. But their teams could not come to the funerals. Either they were injured, either they were killed as well, or they were in battle fighting terrorists. So in the weeks following October 7th, I went to under a little under a hundred funerals. I looked into the eyes of all the families of the soldiers who fell. I tried to be there for them as much as I could, but imagine you're you don't know the soldier who fell. There were some of them that we didn't have a chance to hear their names before we even got there because we were running so fast between them because there were so many. You don't know their names, and you're looking into their mother's eyes as she cries, and you don't know what to tell her. Because the weeks following October 7th, we didn't know where we were standing as a country. Again, this was a dream. It was it was it was a country that was unbreakable, and it felt like it was breaking. You don't know. You don't know where where we're gonna be in the next few days, you don't know where we're gonna be in the next few weeks. And all you could do was hold their hands and say, I'm here for you. We're strong, and you're still trying to believe it yourself.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Well, so now you you you want to go on the college campuses, you want to talk to people who are willing to talk. And if you were to sum up your message now, based upon everything that you're experiencing, what is the message that you want to share? Bear in mind that there are lies being perpetrated, there's propaganda that is out there. What's the message?

SPEAKER_00 34:28

Well, I explained how that's really the first time I dream shattered that my heart broke. The second time my heart broke was the minute I opened my phone on October 8th. When I saw my friends, my friends from school going out and protesting the response of the IDF to these mass casualties, my heart broke again. And it started with my friends, but it turned into a much bigger thing, as we all know. And I'm here today because I finished my service a year ago. I did a lot for Israel. I left behind my family, I missed important moments with my family, I was at soldiers' funerals while my grandpa was having his funeral here in America. And I gave up on all of that, and I gave up on these incredible moments with my families, with my friends, on the American dream of going to college, of getting a degree. I gave up on all of that for the country, but I still felt that I had not done enough because our war was not over. And as much as I feel that I contributed physically, I saw what was happening here,

Campus Buzzwords And Propaganda Tactics

SPEAKER_00 35:35

and it was breaking my heart. And I knew that my story can help bring people back to our side. I knew that I I needed to do something with it. That the facts, the the the the politics, the ever the news, those are not things that are going to help us right now. People need to hear these personal stories. People need to hear what we have experienced as Israelis, as people. Before we're Israelis, before we're Jewish, we are just people. And we deserve a right to our homeland. We deserve a right to talk about our homeland without feeling scared, to walk around with it with the Star of David. I want to give people that right, and I and I feel that I can I can help them, and I feel that the people that are with me can help them. So that's our mission. That's my personal mission as someone who has seen and experienced people who people close to me.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

Whoa, what do you think is the biggest lie as you're traveling to the college campuses? Right? What is the biggest lie that college students they're just out of touch? So many.

SPEAKER_04 36:35

I mean, I don't touch doesn't begin to describe it. I don't know if October 8th is when the protest began. And they already had posters designed, they had the flyers, they had everything set up, ready to go. In fact, the word genocide was introduced October 8th before the IDF even responded to the situation in Gaza. Um occupation is another one of the great lies. I'm sure you're all familiar with the fact that we fully withdrew from the Gaza uh envelope in 2005. Completely gave it back. Um, and now the Hamas, which I think has been portrayed, and here's one of the biggest lies to begin with, is uh um the government and kind of a local for the people idea. Um complete terrorist organization. So again, we have these genocides, we have buzzwords, we have everything already flying around in a really predetermined, nicely packaged, set up uh propaganda machine, which is what really we're really fighting uh and and and coming up in a position where we've been so focused on the battlefield, we've been so focused on what's right, on what's winning, on survival, on protecting what matters, um, that that they've made some incredible headroom in, I would say morphing the truth and created a reality uh which doesn't align at all with reality itself.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

And speaking of that, so how does one recognize propaganda?

SPEAKER_04 37:49

I had the distinct pleasure of being in the New York Times once, uh actually on a mission that I was on. Um we there was a terrorist attack, um, a couple soldiers got uh ran over in a ramming attack. I was on a mission nearby, we got called, jumped. Um I ended up finding myself in the city um just off of Bethlehem with about 6,000 um rioters, uh, Maltov cocktails getting shot at, um, a lot of fun, burning blockades. It became uh an exciting incident. I'm on the I'm leaving, and as I'm leaving, I start getting texts from friends and family in the States. And I'm like, is this you? Is this then and and I had the distinct pleasure of reading an article about myself and a mission that I got to partake in and lead uh through the lens of the media. And it was an eye-opening experience. It was an absolutely eye-opening experience to having had been a you know commander of the mission and to see, and it was almost uncanny how I couldn't have pointed out exactly the word the the the lies themselves, they were so masterfully crafted that um there wasn't a way I could say, okay, that's not true. But when you read what it was on paper compared to my experience, it was as if they'd never met each other before.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 39:05

What's amazing is you know, Satan he's referred to as the father of all lies. Yeah. And this is a big propaganda war over what is the truth, and the way you combat that is going to be with truth, you know, the way you combat darkness is going to be with light. And he's also been referred to as one that wants to, you know, steal, kill, and destroy. And when I hear, you know, your story, that's just the full expression of what was taking place on October 7th and everything afterwards. And what really hit me too was you know this discussion about you know evil and Satan being the father of all lies, he's the source of all that evil. And we see time and time again throughout human history and biblical history, you know, man left to his own, you know, desires and deeds. I mean, there was a reason why, you know, God flooded the earth, right? Um, you know, there is that tower of Babel. Um, and anything that God considers precious that he loves, Satan's going to hate. And so if he says, be fruitful and multiply, you know, Satan wants to kill human beings. If he says that, you know, Abraham and his descendants are precious to me, they're my chosen people, he wants nothing more than to destroy that. And we see that again and again. I mean, look at the book of Evester, you know, him just trying to wipe them out. And so it's the same lie, just repackaged generation after generation. And there's so much more to this, right, than what's on the surface. This is deeply spiritual, deeply evil. It's satanic what's going on. And Satan won't will not stop until he can wipe out all the Jewish people. And there's this talk about, you know, this right to exist, and it seems like it's so intuitive, right? Like Israel has a right to exist. And why should you even need to say something like that? Well, it's because it's one of the places that its existence is basically trying to be deleted, right? Uh, from the river to the sea, they say Palestine will be free. And I was reading in the preamble of uh Hamas's covenant back in 1988. I mean, this is their goal, right? It says Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it just as it obliterated others before it. The crazy thing is they don't hide that.

unknown 41:16

Right.

SPEAKER_04 41:16

That's not a secret. That's out in the open. They're publishing that. Um, and we still have to sit here and have this conversation. Right.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Anyone can answer this question. Whatever you think. How do you know you are defending the truth compared to just defending your side? How do you know you are on the right side, right? So I think intuitively we want to say that we innately know what is right and wrong, good and bad. Okay, and I think that's our conscience. And I think the Christian worldview, the biblical worldview, can attest to that that God has given us a conscience. But how do we know that we are defending truth and not just defending something that we were grown up with to believe to be true?

SPEAKER_00 41:57

You look at the facts. I think um I can definitely attest to look to seeing only one truth. I grew up, again, in a Jewish school. I grew up in a Jewish community, it's a community that supports Israel. And it it's difficult to get the other side. It's difficult to hear the other side and to know where to find it. And I had to find that for myself. I didn't blindly leave my family, I didn't blindly move to another country. It's not an easy thing to do. I had to see why I was doing this. I had to know the truth, I had to know the facts. Why do we need to protect this country? Why do why do we deserve a right to this country? Just because we were told? Just because I was told? Just because we sing about it, we we pray about it? No. There are facts. We have facts to look at. You can do a Google search. I have, I went um to New York during in the middle of the war, and I remember seeing the hostage posters. If anyone saw it, uh there's, you know, when when we heard and we got the names of all the hostages, immediately people started putting up almost like wanted posters, but it was hostage, like held hostage, and with the names in the faces of all of the hostages. And at first it was really warming my heart to see that, and and it was really emotional for me to see it, you know, publicly in New York, to see all these hostage faces. And then I look closer at a few posters and I see a poster killed, and then a picture of a baby, and then in small writing, Palestinian child in Gaza. So they're taking, they're twisting the hostage poster idea, which is such an incredible um way to really advocate for the hostages, and they're twisting it to kind of be something else. And then I look at the picture of this child in the name, and I'm I and I thought to myself, you know, I haven't heard the name of this child before. And I really try to keep myself educated on the war and the ongoings and their casualties on both sides, of course. Um, but you know, you hear that you every single person that falls in Israel, every single soldier that fell, every hostage that fell, uh, that was taken uh that was taken hostage, uh, we hear about them, we hear what we we know their names, we know their families, we we heard them. Um And I hadn't heard the name of this Palestinian child that was supposedly killed on this poster. So I look it up and do a reverse Google image search. It was just a random kid. It was a random kid. They took a picture from Google of a child, put it in black and white, put it up there with a random name. And this was on the streets of New York. And that's where it starts. It starts with these little things where you you it catches your eye and you're like, oh, killed in act. Wow, that's that's terrible. And I I genuinely wanted to learn. I genuinely was like, okay, you know, I want to hear about this. So it starts with just a Google search. It starts with knowing the truth. And that's not so hard to do. You know, it's it's really not. And I think people overcomplicated it, you know, where do you get your news from? Where are you getting this from? Where you get Google search. Look it up. Look look in a book, open a book, figure it out. You know, it's I think we have all of the, we really have all of the tools today to find out the truth. And it's not as difficult as people make it out to be. I think we're always looking for more and more answers, but it's we have to simplify it a little bit more because when you look at the cold hard facts, you you'll know which side is correct.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

Ray, in your experience, is the main problem something external, or is it something else?

The Gospel Shared With Our Guests

SPEAKER_02 45:10

Yeah, it's it's internal. Um it's our heart. You guys um have been so gracious to let me share the gospel with you. I talked about it. Um I didn't understand the gospel until I was 22. Had no idea, and I was intrigued and encouraged to see you nod when we talked about Satan, uh, the root of all evil that governs the hearts of men and the God of this world, as the Bible calls them. And the scriptures say that Satan blinds the minds of those that believe not, least the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. And so I didn't understand the gospel, so I'm gonna share it with you very, very briefly, but I'm gonna back up a little bit. Shea, what do you think happens when someone dies? Where they go? Where are you gonna go when you die?

SPEAKER_04 45:55

I don't know the answer to that question. I know what I was taught, and I think I'm still searching for the answer to the question.

SPEAKER_02 45:59

What were you taught?

SPEAKER_04 46:00

Go to heaven.

SPEAKER_02 46:01

Go to heaven? Yeah. Do you think you'll go to heaven? I sure hope so.

SPEAKER_04 46:04

If they have in and out, I'm definitely.

SPEAKER_02 46:07

Do you think you're a good person? You alluded to the word good. Are you morally a good person?

SPEAKER_04 46:11

I would like to believe so, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

Okay, and remember what happened when Moses came down from the mountain? He'd been up there, I think, 40 days. He came down, and Israel had made their own image of God. And he threw those two tablets at the feet of Israel, furious, because they'd given themselves to idolatry. And there is a great advantage with idolatry because if you make up your own God, then your God doesn't have a moral dictate. It means you can do what you want, you can say you're a good person. So the I the way to see if you're good is just to look at those commandments closely. Remember, the scriptures say God requires truth in the inward parts. That's what freaked me out the night I was converted. To think that God saw my thought life. But the Bible says, Shall not he who made the eye also see? And shall not he who gave man knowledge also know? So God sees what we think. So in the light of that, how many lies have you told in your whole life?

SPEAKER_04 47:07

I don't have a number for that.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

You've lost count? Okay.

SPEAKER_04 47:11

Whether somebody's clothes looking maybe better on them than the Yeah, I'm talking about bold lies.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

Do you lie to me today?

SPEAKER_02 47:19

Exactly. Have you ever stolen something in your whole life, irrespective of its value? This is the eighth commandment.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

By stolen, do you mean active intention to steal or mistakenly taking something?

SPEAKER_02 47:31

Well, you don't mistakenly steal something. I mistakenly robbed a bank.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

No, you can grab a pen after a meeting that's not yours.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Okay, that's theft.

SPEAKER_04 47:39

She didn't have a test.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Yeah. But the senator, the value of that the value of that which you steal is irrelevant to God. If you open my wallet and take one dollar out, you're as much a thief as if you took ten dollars out. So the value of the that which we steal is irrelevant to God. Have you ever used God's name in vain? You love your mum? Would you ever use her name as a cuss word?

SPEAKER_03 48:03

No.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

No, because that would disrespect her. But you've taken the holy name of the God who gave your mother and used it to express disgust. I'm going to be a bit coarse here, but it's using God's holy name in place of the word we use for human excrement. It's a substitute to express disgust. Hit your thumb with a hammer, want to say that word, or we say the name of God, which is called blasphemy. One to God, I appreciate your honesty. This is very um awkward for you, but I appreciate it. Jesus said, if you look at a woman and lust for her, you commit adultery with her in your heart. Have you ever looked at a woman with lust? Uh-huh. Okay, so here's a quick summation of your court case on judgment day. Here we go. Wow. You've told me, and I'm not judging you, you're a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. So if God judges you by those ten commandments, which the Bible says he'll do, on judgment day, will you be innocent or guilty?

SPEAKER_04 48:55

Sounds like I mean I'm going away for life.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

Well, yeah, you'd end up in hell, and that horrifies me. We've just met you, but we love you guys. That's why we've got you on here because we love you so much. So that brings us to the gospel. And this is what I hadn't heard. We die because we've sinned against God. The scriptures say the soul that sins shall die. So proof of our sin will be our death. It'll show us how serious God is about sin. He's given us the death sentence. But the scriptures say God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked. And he provided a savior. Remember Day of Atonement, they put the blood of the Lamb on the doorposts and death passed over. When John the Baptist saw Jesus for the first time, he said, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, the perfect sinless Lamb of God. So God provided a savior, Messiah, and he suffered and died on the cross to take the punishment for our sins. And it's as simple as this, and this is what clicked with me. If you're in court and you've got speeding fines and you plead guilty, a judge will let you go if someone pays those fines. And so you're out of here, you're free to go, someone's paid your fine. And even though you're guilty, it's legal for him to let you go. And now, because of what Jesus did on the cross and paying a fine, satisfying that law, God can legally take death off us. We can see a fulfillment of Isaiah 25, verse 8, where God says, I will swallow up death. And that's exactly what happened through the death and resurrection of Jesus. And to find everlasting life according to the Bible, all you have to do is repent of your sins, and we'll never do that while we think we're good people. When we make the mistake of measuring ourselves by man's standard rather than God's, and put our trust in Jesus like we trust a parachute, then God promises, and he cannot lie because he's holy, he'll grant us everlasting life as a free gift, not because we're good, but because he's good and kind and rich in mercy. Does that make sense?

unknown 50:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

Does it make sense to you? Boy, you're so gracious to listen to us. It's just thrilled a heart that you did listen. And will you think about what we talked about today?

SPEAKER_04 51:00

I I think that I can feel through you your love and care and how much you really want what's good for me. And I appreciate that, and that and that warms my heart and my soul.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

Well, consider yourself hugged from this side of the table. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

I feel hopeful. I think um I think it's a hard thing to find these days. Yeah. Hope. And knowing that we have, as Jewish people, as Israeli people, that we have you by our side. Not just you, but everyone who stands behind you.

SPEAKER_02 51:31

What can we practice what we do to help you?

SPEAKER_04 51:34

You can share our truth.

SPEAKER_02 51:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:35

And then that, you know, I think you said a crazy sentence earlier, which was that um we have the right to exist.

SPEAKER_01 51:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

And that's a wild sentence that today has become a, you know, bit of uh an extremist statement.

SPEAKER_05 51:50

So let's normalize that. Think about where rights come from, too. You know, people forget that that rights aren't granted, they are rights that are recognized from that ultimate authority, which was kind of how do you know what the truth is at the end of the day? It comes down to a matter of authority because someone could say, I have my truth and you have your truth. Well, you know, how are we going to get anywhere? There has to be some authority that goes beyond us. And so those rights aren't recognized. It comes from an ultimate authority, they're God-given rights. And where is this idea that you know Israel is the promised land? Well, who's that promise from? The ultimate authority. We read about Genesis chapter 12.

SPEAKER_06 52:30

Let me say this real quickly, just because you guys have been talking quite a bit about the dangers of propaganda, and I share that sentiment. Um, you know, having studied propaganda in school and seeing it ourselves use the example of the poster and being able to do a Google search. Satan is the father of lies. And in many ways, he propagates a propaganda against who Jesus was. And I would encourage you guys to listen to what Ray just said. And maybe you've maybe maybe Satan's been putting up posters in your own heart of who you think Jesus is, that he's just a prophet. But if it's true that he died, resurrected, and ascended, if that is true, then it changes everything. And in the same way that you did a Google search for yourself, I would strongly encourage both of you to not just accept what you've heard about Jesus, but to do the research. I think that was a phrase you used. Nothing is more important than for you to do the research about righteousness.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

Isaiah 53.

SPEAKER_06 53:29

Isaiah 53.

SPEAKER_02 53:30

Yeah, just open your scriptures at Isaiah 53.

SPEAKER_05 53:33

What's interesting is, you know, Jesus, he claimed to be the truth. And so it's worth maybe looking at, right? I mean, this is the guy that claimed to be the truth. Um, if I were to quote something to you guys, and and maybe you could just tell me who you think it is in human history, I think this might be a good thought exercise. So I'll just give you a quote and you tell me who that is. This is what it says about them. It says, Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows, yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God and afflicted. He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, and the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray, every man is turned to his own way, and the Lord has laid on him the iniquities of us all. Who is the him there? Who does it sound like?

SPEAKER_00 54:22

What do you think?

SPEAKER_05 54:23

Take it away.

SPEAKER_00 54:24

All you I don't know, you've uh got me stumped here. I'm uh I'm feeling like we're gonna get a surprise.

SPEAKER_05 54:33

Sounds like a savior. Sounds like a savior?

SPEAKER_00 54:35

Sounds like someone uh someone to look up to.

SPEAKER_05 54:40

Someone in human history, if you had to put a name on it, who would fulfill those those shoes in terms of what who this is speaking of? Surely he has carried our griefs and bore our sorrows. The Lord has laid on him the iniquities of us all. Who might that be talking about? Definitely written about Jesus. Written about yeah, definitely written about Jesus. And this is kind of what we're getting at. We're hoping that you look into that truth. Because you'd be astonished where it's written.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

Do you know where it's from?

SPEAKER_05 55:14

Where's that from?

SPEAKER_02 55:15

Isaiah 53. Old Testament. Your scriptures. Your scriptures, yeah. Speaking of the Messiah, who would be a lamb that was smitten of God, so we wouldn't have to be on judgment day.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

Wow. Shy, I looked up the etymology for your name, your first and your last name. What did you find? God to it. Or God is salvation and makes pure. Your last name makes pure. God is salvation and he makes pure.

SPEAKER_04 55:40

So there's uh there's another name which I don't know if you see there. My full name is Avram Avram Ishayao, which is actually um named after a rabbi and scholar known as Chazon Ish and the seer, um, kind of a uh profound. Um, but Isaiah is actually the source of the Ishayao. Exactly. The scripture you quoted is where the name originates from. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 56:01

My name also uh has a meaning. Yes. Uh God answered her song.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 56:06

My middle name is her song, it's Shira. Shira.

SPEAKER_01 56:09

That's right. And your your last name, the root, comes from Shalom, with peace, to make peace. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

And uh King Salah.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

My God is answered with peace. Beautiful, beautiful names. Well, thank you all for joining us here. Ray, you have a final thought?

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Yeah, I'd like you to I'd like you to close in prayer.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

Yeah, let's close in prayer. Father, we thank you for our friends. And we are excited uh to see the work that you are doing through them and to them, and we ask for your peace to rest upon them. And we also ask, God, that uh you would help them to continually uh knock, to continually ask questions. We pray that ultimately that salvation would come into their house the way it came into

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SPEAKER_01 56:50

our house, solely based upon what Jesus did. We thank you that regardless that we have a relationship, that we pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We pray that there would be a rest, a shalom that would happen inside that region. We pray that you would make them uh prosperous as they go their way. We pray for a special blessing to be upon them, and we ask ultimately that you would give them what they need even more than what they want. So thank you for these dear people, and thank you for the relationship that has been forged here today. May we stay in contact and may many people continually uh pray for them and pray for their cause. In Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

Guys, just before we close, how can people contact your ministry and how can they support it? Frontline advocates on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

Yeah, we're uh we're an NGO, we're a nonprofit. We um we are continuing our work. We are hoping to get to as many voices as possible, so we would appreciate the support. Uh frontline advocates, Instagram, um still.

SPEAKER_04 57:54

So financial support, you know. Financial of course, but also QR code and also share reply comments. But let's let's battle the propaganda machines.

SPEAKER_00 58:01

When when you see our videos, then you post it. We have uh you know financial support and and and commenting and posting everything we post is very important, and and also just just seeing the truth because we on our Instagram we do uh we we do really believe in the power of social media, and you can see many examples there of also what's really happening behind the scenes, but also our experience on these delegations where we are coming to the front lines as we call it. Um so we have all of our videos from New York of people who responded to us and and responded in in not a very uh great ways, putting it lightly. Um, but I would definitely recommend looking at it and seeing you know what what we're facing because it's it's it's putting it out there and it's the beginning one more time.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

For the main frontline advocates. It's for the mean. Yeah, it's for the mean to do it.

SPEAKER_01 58:49

And I just started following you all on uh Instagram yesterday. It's frontline underscore advocates, if you want to get exactly to the place we need to go.

SPEAKER_04 58:57

Like, share, follow, comment, put some message out there. Let's spread the love, the light, and the truth.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

Very cool. Well, thank you for joining us here on the Living Waters podcast. Obviously, we all missed Easy. There's nobody like him, even though there's more strength in Chad Williams' hair than there is in Easy's leg. Uh, join us next time as we have no idea what we're going to be talking about because we have no idea what we are doing.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

Amen.