Hemp & Hustle: How Much Work is Too Much? | Episode 23

This week, Gary and David use their ever-flowing wisdom to discuss how much work is too much when it comes to startups. They also bring up Netflix's new interactive cartoon "Cat Burglar," as well as hemp being used to make rebar for construction.

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Here are the links to all mentioned articles/videos in this episode:
Fast Company - Hemp can be used to make rebar that’s just as strong as steel
Fast Company - Netflix bets that ‘Cat Burglar’—its new interactive TV show—will hook you on its animation and games
YouTube - Cat Burglar | Official Trailer |
Los Angeles Times - Column: Why do so many Mexican Americans defend Speedy Gonzales?

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Transcript

David: 0:00

I was going to admit to you that I was up to 130 last night playing Elden ring which came out yesterday. Elden ring, and I'm very sleepy. I know you're not a gamer. So you probably like rolling your eyes at me right

Unknown: 0:12

now. No, I'm not rolling your eyes. I'm not a gamer.

David: 0:15

But I robots.

Unknown: 0:17

I'm not really my eyes. If I could roll your eyes, I just remember to make them crossed this room. No one would ever take you seriously.

David: 0:23

No, just don't take me seriously. No. Everyone, welcome to the biz dev Podcast, the podcast about developing your business. I'm David Baxter, your host and Gary is back with us. He has healed and he is healthy. And he is here.

Unknown: 0:44

Welcome. And I have noticed you did not once mention the word special. Like you did for one

David: 0:49

week. You're not special your regular boring Gary, and won a special. Gotcha. Yeah, just take it, man. Just take it for what it is. You're not You're not won. Nope, who is one honestly, he actually said to me, one, he said, if you if you get more if this becomes your second most listened to podcast, but you know, it's one, you know, it's and I said that. And that's fair. If that is true, then I will bow out and this can be. So I found a really interesting article. I don't know if this technically is in our wheelhouse, but I thought it was really interesting, at least to talk about. There's a company that wants to replace steel rebar with hemp rebar, which basically if you don't know hemp is the plant, or the stocks of the marijuana plant. And it they can use it for rope and all sorts of things. But in America, we've only allowed you to use him on an industrial scale since 2018, according to the article, meaning we haven't done it for very long, and so we don't have much of it. But if they did allow it, they could make rebar out of plants, which is pretty amazing.

Unknown: 1:58

Well, this sounds like a sustainable solution for the now legal medical marijuana industry as well. You could take you could sell the the flower to you know the medical industry and then the stocks to

David: 2:16

medical insurance that we're we're calling that now. That right? I

Unknown: 2:18

don't know, I don't know what the politically correct term is

David: 2:21

the the marijuana industry,

Unknown: 2:25

it might be better for the environment to do more of the rebar than to constantly remake steel and all that. It is very interesting. I mean, to me even footprint that that creates.

David: 2:37

Yeah, if you can make it out of a natural material. That's amazing. I don't care hemp or not. What I have found though, and this is just anecdotal, because of course, I'm no expert. They used

Unknown: 2:47

to make parachute rope out of hemp because it was a strongest material. And I'm talking the military.

David: 2:53

Yeah, what that means to him because they make all sorts of stuff out of hemp. What I find interesting is you hear these natural products, and everybody says they're the best thing ever, and they're good for the environment, and blah, blah, blah, they're easy to make, because you can just grow them. Another good example is bamboo.

Unknown: 3:13

Chinese is a lot of bamboo and construction.

David: 3:15

Another example is cork. And what I find interesting is those products are stupid, expensive. I don't understand why, especially with bamboo because bamboo grows like a weed. And it just keeps growing it meaning you can make a lot of it. But that bamboo floor is super pricey. I don't it's gorgeous, but it's depressing. Maybe I'm just jealous because I want to it's just

Unknown: 3:39

the market man supply demand and need want.

David: 3:43

I think it's in neat that we can do that. I would love to be able to replace a lot of that stuff with natural products because that's, I mean, even if you're not a tree hugger, right, that's good. That's just smart. Right? Yeah,

Unknown: 3:54

I mean, the term treehugger now is, it can't be really used as derogatory when Oh, like, there's no denying that yeah, we're kind of abusing the planet whenever now we got to try it.

David: 4:07

But even if you're not in it, I mean, even if you're a denier take take that for what you want to deny something. You're not a tree hugger, you're anti this. No one is going to deny the fact that it's smarter to do things in a reusable fashion.

Unknown: 4:21

Yes, sustainability is definitely the future. I think

David: 4:25

it's always good when someone can use sustainable methods to do something someone told me to tell me I read an article years ago, it was an environmentalist, and and an economist and they said if you want to change the world and make people care about the environment, hit their pocketbook. Exactly. If you just try and this is true for any movement. If you try to appeal to someone's heart, the number of people who will join you is relatively small compared to when you talk to their wallet. And that is 100% true, especially in America, when you started seeing that, the I think that to me, the lightbulbs are the best example of that. It's like, you need to change the light bulbs, this is back when CFLs were a big deal. You need to change a light bulb, because it'll save the planet. They sold like six light bulbs. But when they said, Hey, this light bulb lasts for 12 years. And you don't have to worry about replacing it. They sold the bejesus out of them. Right? Yep. And, and, and on top of that the last 10 years, and it'll use a 10th of the energy. I mean, my whole house, I did explain this. My my animals live with us. And my house is six years old. We built it six years ago. And the whole thing is LEDs. We had to explain to them that leaving every single light on in the house is the equivalent to one light bulb they had when they were growing up.

Unknown: 5:49

Yeah, the amount of draw that it pulls just power because they

David: 5:52

want because they always have you need to turn the lights off, you're going to increase the electricity. Like it's Okay, seriously, this whole room full of lights is one light bulb. It's fine. It's totally fine. Okay, and then they go up? No, I just thought it was interesting. I think that's a cool article.

Unknown: 6:08

Another form of that in a technological space is the electric car. And we're seeing all the gains that that's making as far as being produced not as much as we would like yet. But the whole infrastructure being built, and the whole kind of market trajectory for like electric vehicles seems to be ramping up because people are noticing the cost. Well of using

David: 6:31

AI, I'm still not sure how much of that is marketing, if I'm going to get on that little soapbox, because the cars right now are more expensive than normal cars. Right? So if you add up the the premiums, especially at Tesla right now, because you don't get that that discount anymore from the government

Unknown: 6:47

and paying for gas every week. That's what people are adding. Yeah.

David: 6:51

That's I'm saying if you add that up, I don't think they're equivalent. I think you'd have to drive the Tesla like nine years, and you would never do that. Most number said, rarely will do people keep a car like nine years. I don't know the exact math, because the but a pretty you know, if you want us just I mean, take the model three. It's a pretty normal, it's a pretty don't get me wrong, but it's just a normal sedan. It's nothing grand. It's it's a four person car. And it costs $50,000. Right? It's not a I don't think it's the same price as a Mercedes, but it's not nearly as nice as a Mercedes. And so you're paying a premium for that. Okay, because you could get a sedan that could do everything that Tesla could do, except it's not as fast, of course, and make it a gas card, it'd be a 25 $30,000 car. I mean, I just you're paying a premium for that, which is great. I don't have a problem with that. But if you took that premium, I don't think you the comparison is there. I just

Unknown: 7:46

Well, to your point earlier, where it's more effective to hit someone in their pocketbook, their purse or wallet than it is their heart. Sure. And we see the steady increase for gas prices and oil prices around the globe. Sure. I think that's hitting them in their wallet. Even if it's not, I don't think everybody's going to sit down and do a direct comparison for what they spend per year on gas plus car payments plus insurance versus Of course, like electric, but they're going to see a trend. And they're going to see like, Ooh, you know, maybe the electric vehicle is the way to go. And now that there's going to be more charging stations, and suddenly, you know what I mean? It might be something where they consider that a better investment for them. Depending on the unreliable prices of petroleum and gas.

David: 8:29

I have always said, if you want to change the world, and you want to save the planet, make American Gas $5 a gallon. Watch what happens.

Unknown: 8:41

We'll jump ship quick.

David: 8:43

We will I mean, you saw this already we did this. When I can't remember the year it wasn't that long ago, gas went up to four plus a gallon. Because there was a crisis of some sort. There's always some sort of crisis, right? There was some crisis and for like six months. I remember this because we tried to sell we had a CX nine big SUV that we tried to sell for a minivan. We decided we wanted a minivan with the car was a year old. And we took it to sell it. And they basically told us we don't want this car because they couldn't sell it again. Because everyone at that point want a tiny little cars, right? And there was a there was a brief period of time, maybe a year or so where no one wanted the big SUVs. No one wanted the big trucks. They want a small gas efficient cars, because the gas price was four plus

Unknown: 9:27

and that was directly like one year after everybody wanted the gigantic Hummer on SUVs like it just it would shift quickly,

David: 9:35

quickly. And then what happened gas prices went back down to the floor. And now you can buy a sedan. Yeah, you can't buy a sedan in America. I mean, some companies stopped making them completely because no one wanted them. And so if you really want to change the world, I'm telling you $5 gallon gas now it would be super painful. I'm not saying we should go for that. But that would absolutely change the world completely because we are the most innovative I'm obviously an American, but we are easily the most innovative people in history. And when you mess with our wallets, we change things we always add, man. It's so I think it'd be amazing, honestly, to see what would happen I've been reading around the web, I started doing this last week. And I found some really interesting stuff. I'm, I'm on Reddit. This is my new side hustle as at work, where I'm just going around trying to help people doing basically what I'm doing the podcast I'm doing on Reddit, and a lot of people have great questions. And so I wanted to steal a couple of those. And I thought those would be interesting talk about first one. I'm going to paraphrase. Isn't this because this is a long question. Well, long explanation Wait, guy names, striking math? 664 219? How you like that

Unknown: 10:50

names on Reddit are the best? Yeah, the

David: 10:53

some of them are really funny. This guy basically I'm gonna summarize here. He asks, Should you respond when an ex client, former client, however you want to say that when they respond angrily to on about your business, either in a review, or on social media, or whatever? How should he respond? What should he do is basically the question. And because it the the backstory to him is he didn't even know that client was upset. And that's an important part. I think. He that he had worked with them in a while, but he did not realize they were upset, they thought they had ended amicably.

Unknown: 11:29

So then this could be a scenario where it's okay, you don't want to look bad. But you also don't want to make them look bad. But you also kind of want to defend your position. So yeah, it's a touchy one, depending on I guess this, I would consider this a case by case basis, depending on what the actual review or comment was.

David: 11:48

Sure, I don't know that specifically, what I would say is generally speaking, responding, because what a lot of people are like, just burn a man, go get them. And I'm like, Man, from a business perspective,

Unknown: 12:01

that's not a bad idea,

David: 12:02

that is not going to work. To me, the key is to figure out why they're unhappy. If you didn't know they were unhappy, I think you owe they owe it to you to tell you that you should go and politely say, hey, you know, I didn't, I had no idea that you were unhappy with our work. What can we do to make this better? And I specifically said, Don't even mention the bad review, necessarily. I mean, you can mention it, cuz that's how you found out. But the goal of this would not be to make them change their review. The review is out there, it's out, it's done. Don't worry about that. Don't focus on that. But try to figure out what you did wrong. So you can either fix it for them, or just fix it for others in the future, because someone else might be having the same problem. And I think that's, that's a hard i, it sounds so easy in my little ivory tower here to do that.

Unknown: 12:55

And it also depends on what was said. Because, I mean, regardless if it's a business, or it's a freelancer or a contractor, and there's a bad review about them put up. It's hard not to take the emotional side.

David: 13:09

Yeah, it really, really is. It's hard. I will tell you from personal experience, I had an employee, an ex employee, who we did not end well. By any stretch of the imagination. They wrote a really bad review about working for us. And it hit me straight to the core, right, a small tiny company only had a few employees at the time. And they're just slamming me.

Unknown: 13:38

And he got totally insulted. Yeah, yeah. And

David: 13:41

it took everything. I mean, I didn't have any recourse. It's not like I go delete the review for the person. But I was really hurt. And it was there was no way I wasn't taking that personally. And to this day, I still ask our current employees on a regular basis to go and write a review. I don't care what they say. But I don't want that to be the only review about my company out on that website. Because that's not fair. One was a long time ago at this point. But two, I think, generally speaking, most of the people like working here, and so I always, but it's still in me. Right? It's still this years later, it's still a thorn that I feel that that pain. Yeah, that to the point where I still ask my guys six years later, Hey, would you mind writing a review on this? What do you think? Right? Because I'm just trying to change the record as it were.

Unknown: 14:32

So if it were a review about the quality of their work, your suggestion would be to kind of take that conversation to the side ask why they were unhappy, see what you could do to maybe, you know, change situation to make them happy. But not It depends directly in a comment or review to the review.

David: 14:51

I mean, you can reply, I think that nest like it was a Google review, which again, I don't know in this case, if it was a Google review allows you to reply But the worst thing you can do there is to refute and fight them on a public forum like that. So that would be the last thing I would recommend. But I don't mind replying and coming at them humbly and saying, Hey, we are doing the best we can to solve this issue. We hope we can, you know, earn your business back, whatever, something like that. If you don't know they're mad, I think you have a lot more options. If you knew that this, this person ended badly. And you're like, yeah, that did not go well.

Unknown: 15:24

And they're just yeah, if they're just putting up paper views to be mean, just let it slide.

David: 15:29

You mean, what you could try to do is what we did for the employment is overtime, get the the clients who are happy to write you good reviews. I mean, and hopefully I mean, no one's perfect. You're always see. And I mean, every single product on Amazon is proof of this. You always find the one star review when they're 6005 stars. There's that one one star review, and the guy hated it. Right that that's fine.

Unknown: 15:55

And it's easy to see that there's only a couple low reviews, and it's way easier to read just a couple than 6000 good reviews.

David: 16:04

And they must be trashed, yeah. It must be trashed. Because we do that when we get an Airbnb. It's like my wife will be like, there are 500 reviews is 4.9 stars. But this person thought it was dirty. It Okay, honey. Yeah, you're right, that one person did not have a good experience. What about the other 500 people? I haven't read all those yet she worried my wife is when it comes to me. My wife is the same way. If we stay at your place, you have done something great, because she has read every review. She has looked at every picture. And you have passed her test. That's not easy to do. So the few Airbnbs we've stayed at

Unknown: 16:44

kudos to you. I would have a hard time not taking in insulting or like I mean review, personally for a little while, but I'm also very good at just ignoring it moving past it. And probably wouldn't even bother asking anybody else to put reviews

David: 17:00

would be the one loan review out there. Yeah. I haven't had a client in forever. I don't know anyone. This one is by I don't. I don't know how to say this wind roods Zarei? L? Sure. Wi n DUZRAL.

Unknown: 17:18

Okay, Windows or when do when do it's probably start Star Wars?

David: 17:23

When does real Hey, how about that?

Unknown: 17:25

When do is real? Whoa. That's what it is. That's base when do is real?

David: 17:32

No, we have totally changed subjects. His question? Wow, I shouldn't say his it could be her. I have no idea who this person. How much working is too much. Now, I thought this was a really great question. Because I think there are lots of answers here. What would you say to that? How much is too much when it comes to working?

Unknown: 17:47

Okay, this plays right into the whole, I guess you can say, social commentary on remote work working from home hybrid work, and how do things sit there? You know, either. bosses think people are not working people think they're working too much, because it's right there. So on a personal level, everybody has to make this call. I think, of course, this goes back to one of our older episodes where we talked about work life balance. So how much work is too much work? When you start to notice that you're missing out on other aspects of your life that bring you joy and happiness? Ooh, I

David: 18:25

like that. I like that. I came at it. With the big fat. It depends. Yeah, not great. But to me, if you're 20 years old, 25 years old, you're single. And you're doing something you love. I don't think you should feel bad about working your tail off.

Unknown: 18:44

No, because that's bringing you joy and happiness. Yeah, if you're passionate about it, and you're like, I'm, I'm just going to make sure I dedicate as much time as possible to finishing this and getting this as you know, the best product or whatever you're building or creating or selling. You know, the best that you could possibly make it just for your own. You know, pride and for your own self worth and motivation then, absolutely. That's bringing you happiness and joy. So that's not cool to me.

David: 19:11

A few years ago, they had that term. Did you ever hear this hustle porn? You ever hear that term?

Unknown: 19:16

Yeah. The whole hustle culture side hustle culture. Thing is,

David: 19:21

I never really liked that. Because to me that said, work. If you're not working, you're failing.

Unknown: 19:29

Bring yourself out. Or you're a loser.

David: 19:31

Yeah, burning yourself out of the badge of honor. And you should, you should aim for that. I don't subscribe to that at all.

Unknown: 19:38

Well, everybody that went through that knows that that was all fake. Now, that was a horrible, they got burnt out and they're like, What did I do? I'm so tired.

David: 19:47

Why? I think to me, it depends. Again, like if you're young and you have no obligations. Great, dude, go for it. As long as it's bringing you joy. I think that's good. I think that changes when you have a family when you're a little older. And you have But he doesn't do that when you have a family, I think you have to balance that regardless of the if the job is bringing you all the joy in the world, you're still thinking beyond yourself at that point, you've got some other people you need to think about. And you need to put them first. That that's a big 10

Unknown: 20:15

considerations change throughout your life. But the principle is still, in my mind, the principle is still the same. Well, but

David: 20:23

you could be getting all the joy you you could possibly get from that job. But you're married with children. That can't be priority. In my opinion, obviously, I'm biased. But to me, if you've decided I want to raise a family, even if job, let's just be really, really pessimistic, if your job brings you more joy than your family, I would tell you, it doesn't matter. Your family still comes first. Now, very rarely, is that the case? But let's say it is just just you're hardcore. You're building the thing of your dreams. You're a titan of industry. I mean, how many people how many super successful people have ruined families right behind them? You know that they just wrecked it because they chose their job first? Yeah,

Unknown: 21:05

it's a common story.

David: 21:06

That's a very, that's the primary story. I mean, do you know I'm sure there are examples. But off the top of my head, I can't think of a single super hyper successful individual who has a happy home life. I just, I can't think of one now I could be wrong. But all the big boys have had multiple wives, or multiple husbands, children who don't even know who their dad is. Right. That's, that's the story. And I would say, that's, that's the wrong story. That again, my opinion, what's my podcast, I can have my opinion. To me, it's, your family comes first. And that should be for the five of you listening, that should also go for your employees, you should not as the boss be demanding that they are doing something that you you're not doing. For one, two, you should not be demanding. Even if you're a workaholic, and you don't care about your family life, you have no right to mess with someone else's family life. And you as the boss, set that tone. Because the bigger you get, if you're working till eight, now this is more of a big deal when you're in an office remote is not as big of a deal. But when you are at the office, you are setting the tone, that other people should be at the office too. And that sets a precedent. And you need to be very careful as the owner, Business Manager, whatever you want to call yourself, you're setting the tone, they're watching you. So if you go home at eight o'clock every night, you're going to notice that people start saying later and later. And that's not good.

Unknown: 22:38

That's not good. And it's just human nature. Because they feel as though if they leave before you, you're going to notice that every single time and next you know, they'll be out of a job for not being as dedicated. Yes,

David: 22:46

even if that's not true. In our case, again, we're remote. I work weird hours, sometimes I try to go home for dinner, I'm getting better at that. I'm trying to try and honey, I'm trying. But I come back to work a lot of times in the evenings and whatnot. And my rule is if I slack, you at 9pm or whatever. And it's after hours, you are completely within your rights to totally ignore me. I'm totally fine with that. I've made that very clear to all of our people. Ignore me. Now if something's on fire, I'm going to start texting you and calling you that's a very different thing.

Unknown: 23:22

Yeah, but you've mentioned, turn off your Slack notifications after hours. And when you're Yeah,

David: 23:27

I'm totally fine with that. Just ignore me. Because I might be working at 10 o'clock at night because I got an idea for something. And I'm fiddling around, my kids are in bed, it's all good. But that doesn't mean you have to be working to. So again, you can run your company how you will, but I think that's a big deal. Work should be balanced. I think we've almost changed subjects on accident, my bad.

Unknown: 23:49

But it's it's the question was how much work is too much work?

David: 23:52

Yeah, that's the basic question. And I think I think it's depends on where your responsibilities lie. Right? That's as simple as that. This guy was working eight hours a day, seven days a week. Now he and he was single. As far as I could tell, you know, I mean, obviously, I don't know the person, but as far as I could tell they were single. And I don't bother with that at all good.

Unknown: 24:14

Well, that if it's self imposed, yeah, if you're still going,

David: 24:18

he was running the business and he felt he needed to do that.

Unknown: 24:20

Okay, that I was gonna say, if you're just working for a company expects that when you that's, you might want to leave?

David: 24:27

Well, I mean that if they're paying Yeah, and you're single, you got nothing else to do. Great. I remember I was now I was married, but I didn't have kids. I was traveling for I was a consultant and I was traveling and we would work. So Monday through Friday, I was in a different state across the country, and we would work 14 hours a day, every day and then go home for the weekend and crash. And I was What else was I going to do? I didn't know anybody there so the people I was there to see it to work right We worked, we went back to our credit, little apartments, please got back up and did it again. And I think I work 74 hours in five days. That was my longest week ever. But I don't you can't do that for long. I will say that

Unknown: 25:17

sounds like a recipe for burnout for sure.

David: 25:19

Oh, no question. No question. You can't keep that level of pace up Monica, who you are, at least not for very long. I did give advice to someone else on a similar subject. His he was crushing it for a really long time. And he was starting to fray at the edges and wanting to know, you know, cuz he was kind of in that hustle mentality. And I said, Hey, why don't you get in, he's lost his friends. Like he had bared down. And I had, I've my advice to him was, give yourself a goal, say June 1, whatever, just set a date, busted all the way through there. And then stop and start to wean back from your 100 hour weeks, go back to 80. And then go back to 70. And then find where your happy medium is.

Unknown: 26:11

Netflix is creating an interactive TV show. And it's an animation. And when I first looked at it, okay, it's called cat burglar. When I first looked at it, it brought back Tom and Jerry vibes from when I when I was a kid that just made me instantly happy.

David: 26:33

So it more gory, it seems to be a more gory version.

Unknown: 26:36

It's a little violent, I wouldn't say more gory than Tom and Jerry, not from the 80s. They were pretty gory in the

David: 26:42

well, this guy's been cutting like 37 pieces. This picture I'm looking at here. But it is not gory. And it's gory in the 80s. Comic sense. Not blood and guts.

Unknown: 26:52

No, yeah, it's cartoony, funny, Gore. Yes. Actual, like video game core.

David: 26:58

When I first heard about this, I started seeing the articles about this. I didn't think that was I didn't have any interest. But then I watched the trailer which will link and now it's like, Oh, wow.

Unknown: 27:10

No, it's an interactive game. And they're calling an interactive trivia game.

David: 27:16

But it is from what I could tell is, something happens and there's a choice to be made. And you don't get to choose the choice. They asked you like five questions. And if you miss any of them, the poor cat dies is.

Unknown: 27:28

Yeah, it's like a choose your own adventure, but not as direct. But it is.

David: 27:34

I'm wondering how many times you could do it. They say there's, you get a different cartoon every time you play. And I'm curious how many times that's actually true. But that's still really neat.

Unknown: 27:44

There are basically trivia questions throughout that are either somewhat related or maybe not exactly related to the scene, or might be directly related to the scene of what's going on. So

David: 27:56

I love the idea. It's super, super creative.

Unknown: 28:00

I love the idea. And I love the fact that it's rehashing all these old cartoon memories from my childhood that I just loved so much. Like the old Hanna Hanna Barbera and Warner Brothers cartoons that I grew up on. Such a soft spot in my heart for those.

David: 28:15

It's interesting. You say that, that reminds me of another article I read totally separate from this. And it's not as funny so but they were talking about do you ever hear of the game called Cuphead?

Unknown: 28:27

No, newbie. But

David: 28:30

it was pretty popular for a little while Netflix is making a show of it. Okay, because it was caught. And the whole point of the game, which the art style was done in like the 20s and 30s style art, think Mortimer mouse before he write that style, where everyone's kind of stretched out in the big eyes and, and really just a very unique style, because we don't do that anymore. And the article I read was The animators when they were making the game plus now the TV show or movie or whatever they're making. They have to wrestle with the fact that back then, there was a lot of racial undertones in the art, no, and a lot of misogynistic undertones. And I mean, we've all seen those cartoons that even you're talking about, like, Foghorn Leghorn or whatever.

Unknown: 29:18

Yeah. Even propaganda during the World War Two and all that, yeah. Society creeps into the cartoons.

David: 29:24

And so it was just really interesting how they're like, we have to deal with this. But all we're talking about his drawing, right? It's like, Yeah, but because of that style was so drenched in that culture at the time. It's just really it was an interesting article, but it reminded me because it is also interesting to me, and I never really thought about until I saw the cat burglar plus this other thing. How animation is a snapshot in time. Just like I guess everything else is, but you don't think about I mean, it's still pins and papers and whatever right drawing Yeah, but 20s art looks different than 50s Art, which looks different than 60s, all the way up to today. And it's just really interesting how they change over time. But I don't know why that's interesting. It seems like duh, but that's still cool.

Unknown: 30:10

I think it might be interesting because in terms of it being animated, it has a longer life. Like, you can always watch a movie from, say, the, you know, 50s or whatever. And immediately, you can tell the era, the time and probably how people interacted back then, just because there's humans on the screen acting the way humans do. And you're like, Okay, so if you're not into it, you're like, nevermind, skip. But when it's animated, you're like, wait, what's going on here? Because there's more in the actual animation that tells a story than just the humans on screen. So it might have a longer shelf life, as far as entertainment goes. Sure. And then when you start digging into that, and you're seeing all the little nuanced, you know, implications through the Culture Society of that time. You're like, wait a minute, that's, that's not cool. That doesn't fly these days. Yeah,

David: 31:00

that does. Yeah, you watch some of those old Bugs Bunny cartoons. And you're like, Whoa,

Unknown: 31:05

I think Popeye was one of the ones that was the absolutely most anti Asian, like cartoons ever made. The really bad.

David: 31:15

Oh, they were bad. I can't remember the guys name. They had he had a little friend or something that was an Asian guy and was horribly racist. Yeah, horribly. Yeah. I remember reading a story. This was many years ago, that Speedy Gonzalez, which was very derogatory a lot of times towards Mexican culture. They tried to take him off the air. This is again years and years ago. And the Mexican people were like, dude, no, I love Speedy Gonzalez, bring him back. I thought that was really interesting.

Unknown: 31:48

Yeah, so this, this cartoon is interactive cartoon on Netflix. I guess right now there's just a trailer, I didn't see a date when they expect it to launch.

David: 31:58

It's got to be soon because they're pushing it pretty hard. I've seen several articles about it. Which usually means what again, what goes back, we're coming full circle, right? They know it's coming. And so suddenly, there's articles about it. Interesting, right. All right. On that note, I think we're gonna wrap it up. Do you have any final words of wisdom you'd like to leave here?

Unknown: 32:19

I hope I was half as special as one. No, I had it as special as one.

David: 32:25

No, you're just just give it up, man. I'm not a specialist one. I mean, it's just it is he's he's a unique he's our Obi Wan Kenobi. That's his favorite joke.

Unknown: 32:36

You notice they didn't laugh, right? That.

David: 32:39

That's not my joke. Okay, I bought him a shirt that says one solo and it's got Han Solo and

Unknown: 32:46

then loves pretty funny.

David: 32:47

He loves one puns. He uses them all the time. Anyway, little little insect trivia for you. We're out of here. Thank you guys so much. We will talk to you next time. See you