Building Community w/ Chip Kennedy | Ep. 194

David and Gary sit down with Chip Kennedy—a founder, connector, and Triangle standout—to talk about what it really means to build community in today’s tech world. From his new venture CivicReach.ai to the power of networking done right, Chip shares how intentional relationships fuel both business and personal growth.

It’s a conversation about startups, trust, and why showing up for your community matters as much as scaling your company. If you’ve ever wondered how leaders like Chip bridge innovation with impact, this episode gives you a front-row seat.

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CivcReach.ai Website

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[00:00:00] David: I just don't trust it. You know these fingers like a surgeon, right? These hands save lives, right?

[00:00:09] David: Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Biz Dev Podcast, the podcast about developing your business. I'm David Baxter, your host, and I am joined Peru by Mr. Gary Voit. What's up, man?

[00:00:19] Gary: I get to talk today 'cause we don't have a guest

[00:00:22] David: That remains to be seen. I could just monologue this sucker. Let's go.

[00:00:26] Gary: Probably.

We've been talking a lot about AI lately, and it's not like it's, we're trying to hit a hot button or try to be in the algorithm or anything, but it's just like that is literally becoming our world.

[00:00:37] David: this is just what we do now, 

[00:00:38] Gary: shop, as a dev shop, we've transformed from traditional, hand coded to now an amalgamation, if you will, or a, I guess you could say like a, an in infusion of including AI into the development flow

[00:00:57] David: It's

interesting 'cause we're actively hiring right now. And it's the first time we've hired in this new world. And it's really weird. I don't know how else to say it. There's no good way to say that. It's weird we've been hiring for, we've been around for 12 years.

We've been hiring people for nine of those 12 years, and we know how to hire people. We know how to interview people. We know how to talk to people. We know, we're gonna make a job post. And it says, I need a front end React developer. I need a backend.net developer. Whatever we say a stack, we tell you what we need and here's the requirements and how many years of experience using X, Y, and Z.

We need all of that's out the window now. And that just makes this hiring process weird because. The language doesn't matter anymore. You can code in any language as long as you know how to code. You can code in any language. You don't need to know the syntax anymore. You're not typing hardly at all anymore. It's just a different way. So we've been trying to figure out how do you hire this person? How do you find this person? 'cause normally we put you through a technical interview and then you come to me and are you a culture fit? And then we're good to go. And that's

[00:02:12] Gary: And it's also, I think it's also different for like smaller div shops versus enterprise companies that do, if they have a sole products that are developed that they have a team working on nonstop. But I saw a post, I think it was on LinkedIn recently that. Everybody, all the developers were afraid that AI was gonna take their jobs.

But in a sense it's not true. But in a sense it is. So there's, junior developers are not in demand as much as senior developers are, but senior developers are also spending more of their time fixing, reviewing and redoing some of the AI code that they've been given. Rather than a junior developer learning it, so there is a little bit of a handoff between the amount of AI code that you would, consider usable or polished or finished versus like someone still has to fix stuff.

[00:03:08] David: I think where the key point of it, and this is, I think I mentioned this before, I think AI is good at tasks, not jobs. And what that's forcing us to do is realizing that this job, when everybody thinks developer, they think of code, right? They think you are a coder. And what AI has shown is, man, there's a lot more to it than that. Man, 

[00:03:33] Gary: There's definitely a lot more thinking. 

[00:03:36] David: Yeah.

It's bringing together a lot of things, making decisions, problem solving. The typing the coding part is just a task that a developer does. It might take a good chunk of their time, but when you, people say AI is gonna replace developers, that's at least at this stage, I can't tell you what five years looks like, but at this stage, that's silly because a developer.

AI's not good at all of the tasks a developer does. It's good at one of them very good at one of them,

but at the other 10 I do every day. It's 

not you said earlier. Yeah. And to piggyback what you said earlier, I think you're right when you said the the code languages and the stack don't matter so much. I think AI is definitely good at that. So you can just whatever language you need to infuse into this project. That's fine.

But the developer mind of actually. Imagining what the possible solutions are, the best way to get there, and then how to put them together is still very much in need.

And the UI and the UX and the flow

[00:04:36] Gary: Oh yeah. The AI is not even close when it comes 

[00:04:39] David: it's not gonna, but it's all of those things. The developer is all of those things. And that's

true if you're a copywriter. People are nervous, oh, I'm gonna lose my job. It's gonna be able to write. Is it gonna be able to write with your humor? Is it going to be able to write with your flare? No. Is it going to take

[00:04:55] Gary: It can mimic emotional,

yeah, it can mimic emotional dialogue, but it can't really create touching, emotional 

[00:05:03] David: It's just, it's good at certain tasks, and I think focusing on those tasks is important and understanding. What it's good at and what it's not as important. So we're trying to figure that out in this hiring process. And one, one of the things that's really interesting that we have learned, so we came up with, and I don't know if I've said this, but we came up with our own process of, or not even process. We've noticed by talking to our team contractors, reading on the internet, there are basically three levels of developer, and we're seeing that all over the place. We, we've, they're not really a hierarchy, we just labeled them one through three. Level one we call the human coder. This is where the human writes the code. And the AI edits. That has been what's, when early AI came out. That's what we all did. Hey, I'm gonna type a little bit. AI will finish the line for you.

You could do research, it would speed you up 'cause you didn't have to go wander it down the rabbit hole, look up for documentation on something you're connecting to or any of that. That's level one. Level two is when you reverse it. We call that the cyborg, where the AI is writing the code. And the human is editing, so you give a prompt or many prompts and it starts writing code, and then you go through the code and make sure that it's all good to go. There is then level three we call yolo because AI does both. It codes it and then it edits it. And the coder's job, it sounds like then you don't have a job. The coder's job then is to make sure we're asking the right prompts, we're guiding it correctly, we're finding bugs, we're testers. You're always a tester to some point, but now you're really a tester because 

it's all 

[00:06:44] Gary: And double checking everything. It rewrites. 

[00:06:47] David: gotta double check everything.

Everything. And then you've gotta have ai check

ai. And this is where it gets really interesting 'cause most, the best bots out there are gonna be good 90% of the time. Let's say 80 to 90%. In code that's bad. That means 10% of your code is trash or 20% even. And that's not good. But what you can do, and what we're finding and what I am been focusing on, 'cause I'm leading the vanguard of our development efforts to learn this 'cause they're on client stuff and I'd often not. You have bots, checking bots. So if bot number two is 90% effective. You take 90%. 90%, now you're at 99% effective, and now you've got something pretty cool. And so we have bots that are now reviewing the bots. And this is after the YOLO coder, as it were, is involved. Very few of our people ever do that.

I don't want to just say that's the standard of big pixel. It's not, we're trying to get everybody to level two. I think that's when the speed really kicks in, is when you let the code run, build all the stuff, and you edit. You can go. So much faster and you're not letting go of your control, which is important.

So when I do YOLO mode on Tela, which we've talked about, I've let it run loose on that. Or various tickets or whatever. I find that I'm using every bit of my developer skill that I've developed over 25 years as if I was writing the code directly. It is not any easier. It is a heck of a lot faster, but it's not any easier. When you're developing, you're letting AI run and just run rough shot. It requires you to see that architecturally it's going the wrong direction. You're not a junior coder doing that. You're seeing, sometimes you see it running on a rabbit hole and you can stop it and say, Hey, nudge, nudge. Try this instead. It right? Or, Hey, I don't, you'll go and look at the source code of the HTML that is generating in the React app or whatever, and you'll be like, this isn't right. Go fix this. You're being very strategic. So it's not like I'm just sitting back and doing nothing. I am guiding it when it goes wrong, and that requires so much more creative and problem solving. It gets tiring. It sounds so silly, but it does it's very fun to me. I enjoy it, but. It's a different way of coding.

And we're not trying to get all our big pixel guys to yolo. That's not what we're doing. But

[00:09:10] Gary: That'd be a little scary actually.

[00:09:12] David: it can be a little 

[00:09:13] Gary: you had a shop that was just nonstop YOLO coders, 

[00:09:16] David: just cranking 

[00:09:17] Gary: might not be. Yeah,

[00:09:18] David: But if you start getting the layers, and that's what we're trying to, we're testing tools, we're doing all this things. When you start to get these layers where now we have AI bots testing for us. So not only now it's developing it, we're managing it, we're having AI check it for any security and that kind of stuff. We fix those tickets and then we have another layer, like I'm still testing everything, but another layer of bots is testing again. So we've got mult. It becomes a layered, almost this cake approach, which is very powerful. But we it's not like it's fully done, but what we're doing when we're interviewing is we're trying to find out where you are. And I will tell you, 

most are at level 0.5 to 1.5. If you are a contractor today, AI is your nemesis because you bill by the hour. And so when you talk to a contractor, Hey, do you use ai? Eh, I just don't trust it. That's what they'll tell you. I've gotten that many times by very different people. I just don't trust it. You know these fingers like a surgeon, right? These hands save lives, right? They're like, the, this is where, this is what you're paying me for.

You want me to use my brain and my fingers to do it? What they're really saying is if I go too fast, you pay me less. And I don't like that. That's a weird way you're 

[00:10:38] Gary: maybe the pricing model for contractors. Yeah, maybe the pricing model for contractors has to be updated too. Then instead of

[00:10:45] David: They need to go fix fee, 

[00:10:46] Gary: fee, they might have to go fix fee or project based fee 

[00:10:49] David: Which I'm a huge fan of. Obviously we're fixed fee shops, so I am all for that. I think that there's a change coming there. I would much rather a programmer say, Hey, this is gonna cost you $10,000, but it's gonna be done. It's gonna be rock solid, it's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be finished.

You don't have to worry about it. I'll pay that $10,000 happily, depending on the 

[00:11:11] Gary: Yeah, that kind of, you just nudged into another topic that I think we should talk about too is. As a small business, as a development shop, custom software builder using ai, do you think that gives clients current or potential some sort of way of saying, okay, if you're using AI, then I should get a discount.

[00:11:34] David: No no move on. No. I've wrestled with this question many times. One, AI tools

[00:11:40] Gary: So the point being, yeah, not only that, but it doesn't make it faster and cheaper. That is not what 

[00:11:48] David: It makes it 

[00:11:48] Gary: That's what maybe the hype brothers on LinkedIn or Twitter might, try to sell you, but it's not the truth.

[00:11:55] David: It's, it does make us faster. Generally, if we are in our fixed fee nature, we generally are about a third faster. As a company, when we are heavily invested in the AI tools, some of our clients, we can't use AI tools because we get audited or they're, we have people, just watching our code all the time and we need to be able to answer every single line of code and know exactly what was written.

When your AI is right in it, you might not see every line of code and that be so, but if you want that speed, so it depends. So the way that we look at it, we're not cheaper for ai. We're actually slightly more expensive, but. Because we gotta pay for the tools and whatnot. But what you get though is speed.

And so now over time, so let's say this is a three month project, we can get basically equivalent in two months. We can do what used to take three months. So over time we are cheaper. Does that make sense? Over individually, we're more

expensive than we used to be, but over a long period of time, a project that would take us half a year now takes four months. You just saved a bunch of time and over that period of time, even though it's more expensive, individually, it's cheaper. And that is, our clients have really have liked that. They understand that, oh, okay. 'cause it requires more gizmos and doodads and tools and stuff to do this. We get that. It's more expensive, but boy, you're faster. This is really nice. They start to, they're really starting to dig that. But 

[00:13:19] Gary: yeah, I just wanted to get dispel the illusion of, some people thinking if they're just using ai, I could do that myself, so therefore I, it shouldn't be expensive. Why are you charging for something that I could just pay Jet GPT to do? Because 

[00:13:33] David: Go for it. Try that. Please. Go,

Try that please. The Verge actually, which I've mentioned a thousand times, they had just recently, a few weeks ago. Three of their writers. And these are technical people, right? These are, they're in the tech, they're not developers, but they're writers, but they're nerdy people that by nature, and they wanted to try vibe coding for this the first time. And it was

really interesting to hear. They failed miserably according to themselves. I'm not judging anything. This is them saying, it's like it

[00:13:58] Gary: and it was three different people with different levels of experience too. It's so they covered the ga, the gamut there.

[00:14:05] David: It, but they didn't have a true developer on in the test. And I think it started throwing back, vernacular of a developer in this, that, and the other, and I just, I see it all the time, is, oh, if you're paying a developer, all you have to do is go to this website, give 'em a one sentence prompt and we'll take care of it from there. Those are the old promises of Squarespace back in the day. Hey, just pick a template and you're done. It

[00:14:28] Gary: Yeah.

[00:14:29] David: You could go live with that. Sure. I'm not sure. You could go live with a single prompt AI thing, but the code that comes outta there is really bad and it requires a developer to, to use these tools well and to use them in a secure fashion. And I'm not trying to say that they're bad tools. I love these tools, but man, it is just being, what we're calling it is AI Forward is what we're trying to label our company as. Internally, at least it is so wild west out there. So we are constantly shifting, but I think that's what PE the market is demanding. And I don't find, I find a lot of developers are dragging their feet because they're scared. And I think if you are a developer listening to this, and that's not really our audience, but I would say that it is, it behooves you to jump on the wagon. 'cause in five years there won't be a wagon. If it's if you were a punch card guy in the seventies and suddenly COBOL and Fortran and these New Sea, original Sea, or come out and you're like, I'm not doing that in five years your job was gone. These compilers and all these things, this is the same level of shift and we all gotta jump on this bandwagon. But it has been interesting hiring. Guys just. They're just not doing what we are doing, which is humbling in some ways. Hey, we, maybe we've done this right, but it also says everybody we're gonna hire, we're gonna have to train dramatically.

They can code. We don't hire anybody who can't code, but they're not doing what we're doing.

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[00:16:44] David: This is tangential, but I think we can get there. Do you buy into the. I don't know if you call it fear mongerer, whatever you the belief that the more you embrace ai, the dumber you become.

[00:16:53] Gary: No, I don't, I think, there might be a lack of ambition to read or learn outside of, what you currently do. But then again, you might also, I think it depends solely on the person, but as a whole if you have a group of people, and if you're saying, if everybody's embracing ai, does that make people in general dumber?

I don't know about dumber, but lazier. Yeah 

[00:17:20] David: I will

find man, I don't want to even think about that. I'll just ask Chad. T bt I will absolutely just

[00:17:26] Gary: That's lazy. Like they're not incapable of learning or incapable of finding 

[00:17:30] David: But 

[00:17:31] Gary: but they're just too lazy to go look. 

[00:17:32] David: but it's kind but 20, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, whenever the calculator is a great example, people could do crazy math in their head. In the fifties and sixties, so we're going way back.

But the human calculator, if you haven't

seen what is that movie? About the black women who helped get the space shuttle out.

[00:17:49] Gary: Yeah the shuttle program. Hidden Figures.

[00:17:52] David: Wonderful movie. If you haven't seen that, you go see it. These ladies just and these were real people, like they, they show at the end these were real people could do these crazy math.

They called them human computers. And it wasn't just these ladies, there was many people who could do this, but any who, they could do these crazy math, and nowadays we don't need any of that. We have computers and we have calculators. If you tell me to add three digit numbers together in my head, I'm pulling the calculator out. I could do it. I'm just not going to, and I think AI is going to be like that for almost everything else. But I do believe that it allows you, 'cause now I don't have to spend that time to do the math. Now I can do other things. That's what I'm wondering is what is the

next thing you can build

[00:18:35] Gary: that's what I 

[00:18:35] David: don't have to. 

[00:18:38] Gary: Yeah. People who are still like, it doesn't make you dumber because it will free up some time for you to actually learn new things or even go further than what if using AI for certain tasks is gonna be the norm, just like the calculator. Then instead of thinking of doing the actual arithmetic or calculations, you're then configuring it like new ways to create.

The problems to solve with math or what are you gonna now use AI applied to, to help you finish or solve or learn more or advance forward in, 

[00:19:08] David: yeah. That's where TE came 

[00:19:10] Gary: but then there's always gonna be the group of people who aren't gonna do that. 

[00:19:13] David: Sure. And those people exist. Yeah, there there are ambitious people and there are not ambitious people. And I would imagine most of the people listening to this podcast are more the ambitious types. Just a hunch.

[00:19:25] Gary: How do we then take what we've learned about AI and how we use it, how our clients expect us to use it, and then who we expect to hire in the future and their knowledge of ai. We're finding it become, infused into every part of our business. For other people's starting businesses or have small businesses, might not be very developer centric or no matter what they're doing.

What do you see AI being used for in the most efficient way for smaller businesses or smaller teams?

[00:19:59] David: I listened to. Entire podcasts, like the entire show is about this. 

And 

[00:20:06] Gary: you'd be a good person to answer that question,

[00:20:07] David: they are, gosh, if you are starting to, and this is how I view Tila, right? This 'cause Tila is like a, it's a big pixel thing, but it's a offshoot of big pixel, right? It's lives in my head. And so it's almost a company within a company, right? So I'm trying to treat it to answer that question. If I was by myself right now and I was trying to make Tila into its own thing, what would I do? Using all these amazing tools that exist now,

[00:20:32] Gary: right.

[00:20:33] David: I think the first thing you need

to do is go and find what tools exist in your industry, whatever it is. 'cause it doesn't matter if you're making soap, which is what we are talking talker, you're a developer or you are digging ditches, right?

Whatever. Every company has sales, every company has marketing, every company has branding tool At some point. AI has tools that can help on all of those things. Now, should you, the further down that create, the more creative it gets ai it gets worse. I'm not saying your branding logo should be a AI bot, but I'm saying like tracking your sales, building, lead lists, those sorts of things, AI's really good at

[00:21:11] Gary: All organizational and project management tasks too. Definitely.

[00:21:14] David: Correct. Anything keeping organized deciding. 

[00:21:18] Gary: and transcripts. Oh gosh, 

[00:21:21] David: If you're not using a meeting recorder in all of your meetings

now you are truly missing out. If you are doing any brainstorming without an AI buddy, I think you're missing out. I'm, I will challenge you if you are new to ai. My first challenge to you is replace Google with ai.

I don't care which bot you use. Claude Gemini, doesn't matter. Anytime next time you want to go and do a Google search. Use, use an AI bot. It'll blow your mind. The next thing I would say is do it when you're in your car. This is when I did it for the first time. Use the voice mode chat. GPT is the best of this, by the way. Use the voice mode. When you're in the car and you have a question that's rattling around in your head and you just wanna talk, it starts out really uncomfortable. 'cause you have no idea what's happening. I've done this three times, right? And you turn it on. And you're just like, it's silent.

'cause they're waiting for a prompt. And you, so you're like hello. Like it's very human. And then

[00:22:20] Gary: You are nervous to talk to a robot.

[00:22:23] David: Yeah. It's so weird to talk to a robot, but get over that. It'll be gone within two minutes of chatting and just start asking the questions that are rattling around in your head and have a conversation with it. Dude, it's awesome. It's weird, but it's awesome. I don't. I feel in, I always said that the, I will be old, the old curmudgeon when they get rid of my keyboard. 'cause that's how I interface with computers, with tactile, either my thumbs or my keyboard.

[00:22:50] Gary: Yeah.

[00:22:51] David: Talking to a computer is inherently uncomfortable for me. But it's crazy. I had this long conversation with it. I was on the way back from Charlotte, told Gary this story. I was talking, I had AI questions about, how to build this. I was early days in te. And so I'm like hello. And they're like, hi, how can I help you? And I'm like, I have this really detailed, nerdy question.

And of course, and I say she, 'cause it was a female voice. She knew everything, of course. 'cause she's a bot. And then we just talked for literally 35 minutes. And I came away with that going, oh my gosh, I have a plan. So if you're, if you haven't done that yet, it's worth doing. I'm trying to think what else.

Research tools and find the right tools. There are so many amazing tools out there. I don't believe, like you, have you seen LinkedIn, Gary? Have you seen the, there's, it's always the, it's the AI bro, right? These are the crypto bros. And they say, I am running a $10 million company all by

[00:23:45] Gary: Started. 

[00:23:46] David: I have 35 employees and none of them are real. I don't

[00:23:50] Gary: Sign up for my newsletter 

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for 

[00:23:53] David: up for how I 

[00:23:54] Gary: 20% off, you'll get my prompt library.

[00:23:57] David: the prompt library, I just, I don't believe it. 'cause those tools are not that good yet. Like you cannot, I've actually had an idea, and this one's free. I

had 

[00:24:06] Gary: the same thing from like drop shifting and drop shipping and NFT. It's just the newest fad. Yeah. 

It's, 

[00:24:13] David: I did have an 

[00:24:14] Gary: AI wellness.

[00:24:16] David: Slack client and each channel is a different AI bot. One's legal one is

PR one is marketing, whatever. You just imagine the different things. They don't do anything, but they, you can go and ask them questions, but they're very specifically trained and tuned to be that role, and I thought that would be cool. I don't, I'm not gonna build that. But it's a cool idea. And then at that point,

maybe you could run a company by yourself, right? But

[00:24:45] Gary: you could probably do that now if you're using like one of the better plans for chat GPT and just create those actual. GPT projects, and just have those different project modes loaded up with that data. And then you could just ask questions within those 

[00:25:01] David: but then you gotta load up the data, like the

[00:25:03] Gary: Yeah, you do have to actively go find some stuff and pull it 

[00:25:07] David: I will say that's another thing. If you haven't ever used a chat GBT project.

[00:25:10] Gary: I.

[00:25:11] David: And you are a startup, dude, that is huge. Like a project, is it, at first, it just looks like a folder, but once you, you get a folder, like I have a Tela folder, and on one side you have instructions, and then another side is files. And so you can put in instructions, which I have this detailed list of what Tela is, what it wants to be when it grows up, all these things, right? And then the other side, I have code, snippets and all sorts of things that I want it to. Understand. And then so you put those two things together and the last, and then now you just have chat prompts within the folder. And every single chat prompt now has the context of those instructions in those files. And so now it's an expert on whatever the subject is that you want to

talk about. Boy, 

[00:25:54] Gary: and the cool thing is it's not limited to what you put in there, but you're just giving it even more 

specific areas of where to go, 

[00:26:01] David: yeah. Like I can call Tila

by name and it knows exactly what, I'm 

[00:26:04] Gary: to bring back to you. 

[00:26:05] David: It gives you a lens to stare through. So if you're saying, Hey, I'm a soap maker and here's how I make my soap, and I'm looking for advice on marketing or creative, whatever. It can be like, okay, cool. I understand your business.

Here's how I would market it, as opposed to just being generic advice. It's very cool. I think you only get those on the $20 plan. We're only on the 20 plan. We did the $200 a month plan. I can't see a use for it yet. We've been there, we've tried it. Yeah. 

[00:26:34] Gary: I were to give from 

[00:26:35] David: using it.

[00:26:36] Gary: For someone who uses it, who doesn't use it for code or for design, but I use it more or less as a, almost like a research partner or someone to bounce ideas off of and get feedback from. Be afraid to continue within the same chat or to gather stuff together and keep going.

I know sometimes at first people will put in a prompt and it's not getting what it wants in the first two or three, and they're just like, this is stupid. I'm done. Ditch it, delete it, start a 

[00:27:00] David: I'm out. 

Mm-hmm. 

[00:27:01] Gary: The more you do that, the less you gain. If you keep going in that same line and then it learns what you don't want as well as what you are asking for.

You don't even have to be extremely specific, but as long as you continue with that conversation, it gets better and better. And then eventually you'll just be like, oh, hey, by the way, remember that thing we talked about Now I need to know this, inject that into this. And it's pretty good 

[00:27:25] David: one of the crazy things is, and I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna pun stare in my crystal ball. I think the concept of memory is becoming a bigger deal and what memory is as opposed to chat is. Whenever you chat with any of these bots, whatever's in that thread, that's all it knows. Unless you're

doing something like the projects and stuff that we were talking about.

But once you close that thread down or go to a new thread it doesn't know, it doesn't carry that conversation between threads, right? Memory, or is the way to keep things going between things. So if I say I am a CEO and I'm running this kind of company, I can get that into memory and now all of my conversations are now. They, it knows that, and it can answer smart questions. When you, I think the, my, my crystal ball says, as a company gets good at ai, they start building more and more of those memories and AI starts getting better and better for them. You're gonna start building almost a moat around you because you've got two years worth of experience of training this bot to be a very good X whatever X is.

[00:28:31] Gary: Yeah.

[00:28:32] David: And that someone starting from scratch is not gonna have that. They, it just literally takes time to get there. And now that's almost like a form of ip, not really, but almost where you've got now your company is, Hey, you hire me because I've got this super bot over here that only I have, and you don't really understand it, but this is why I'm so good and why I charge this much, or I'm this fast, or however you wanna paint that picture. But that memory thing is gonna become a really big deal in the next. A year or two is my guess

[00:29:03] Gary: So words of wisdom, talk to Che GPT.

[00:29:07] David: this right. 

[00:29:09] Gary: more words of wisdom. Thank you. South Park. If you're Randy, don't talk to Che GPT in bed.

[00:29:15] David: I

[00:29:15] Gary: South Park fans will get that. You look confused, but 

[00:29:18] David: Yeah. Don't, I've never, I've seen like three episodes of that show.

[00:29:21] Gary: Okay. So let's wrap it up with your top three tips for AI and small business. No, I'm just joking. This 

[00:29:27] David: Oh my gosh. I think I just gave them all, just

[00:29:30] Gary: Yeah. 

[00:29:31] David: I did give I'll end it with this. I recently, I was fortunate enough to give a speech at the Chamber of Commerce and. I made the speech off of the, we took 120 of our interviews and talked. Top five, top three tips and turn that into a

[00:29:48] Gary: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:29:49] David: that was really fun. It was, I took, there's a lot of repetition in those things, so we grouped them by the, by these different tiers.

It was a lot of fun to give that, and I think it it went pretty well. And so thank you for all the guests who powered that up. But it was, it's been very cool to distill that down into the top ones. And maybe someday we should give that speech, lack of a better term, just to show. That value that the podcast has brought. I think that might be interesting.

[00:30:15] Gary: That'd be a good episode.

[00:30:17] David: There you go.

[00:30:18] Gary: All right, then

[00:30:20] David: On that note for the future.

[00:30:22] Gary: Yolo

[00:30:23] David: Alrighty. On that note, we are out. Thank you guys so much for joining us again. We will be back next week. Have a go,