251 "The G.A.T.E. Project" ft. Jess Weatherby, homeschooling, Truman show reality, GATE abductee stories

Tonight we welcome Jess Weatherby to the show, she is a homeschool mom, ex Titan Games participant, follower of Jesus who shares her love for family and fitness on her Instagram profile which you can follow at Jess_Weatherby_lifts: https://www.instagram.com/jess_weatherby_lifts/

In the 1980s and 1990s, many of the brightest students in the US were enrolled in the Gifted and Talented Education (GATE) program, designed to foster advanced learning and critical thinking. Decades later, some former participants are speculating whether the program had a hidden agenda. One woman, who gained attention on social media for her posts about the topic, shared images of her old workbooks showing unexpected activities, such as code-breaking and learning Russian. These unusual exercises have fueled theories linking the GATE program to a classified CIA initiative called “Gateway,” which reportedly explored the boundaries of human consciousness through methods like sound patterns and meditation. A declassified CIA document describes “non-verbal audio patterns” concealed within natural sounds like waves and wind. Interestingly, some former GATE students recall being exposed to similar audio recordings during their time in the program. One participant shared memories of wearing large headphones and listening to recordings facilitated by people unaffiliated with the school.

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SPEAKER_05 0:37

Our institutions have become corrupt. Unconstitutional agencies are infringing on your rights. Your liberty was secured by strong men and women yesterday. We live in the age of disinformation over. You're an American unbelievable rights. You have both rights liberty. Welcome to the dangerous stable podcast. Jesse James's games. And Outcast. Jesse James. Dangerous, dangerous, stable. Stay blah, state bless. Battle, battle.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

They called it the Gateway Project. Officially, it was a consciousness expansion experiment buried inside Army intelligence. Unofficially, it was one of the most secretive psychic training programs the U.S. government ever ran. The goal wasn't meditation, it was control. Control of the mind, control of perception, and control of reality itself. In 1983, an Army officer wrote a classified report describing what the gateway process could do. How altered brain frequencies could push human awareness outside the body. Gateway trainees claimed they could remote view military sites, slip into non-physical realms, and even access what the documents called the absolute. The CIA denied it worked. But they kept funding it for over a decade. But here's the part nobody talks about. Behind the scenes, intelligence officers weren't just recruiting soldiers. They were recruiting children. Gifted kids. The ones who scored unusually high on pattern recognition, intuition, or non-ordinary perception. Some say they were found through school testing programs. Others say through private research labs tied to the Monroe Institute. These kids were brought in quietly, under the cover of cognitive enhancement studies. But once inside, they weren't taught math or languages. They were taught hemi-sync, focused breathing. Visualization drills all designed to open the mind to states adults struggled to reach. The belief was simple. Children's consciousness is more flexible. Their minds can cross the boundary between physical and non-physical reality without resistance. Some former participants say they were placed in dark rooms and told to reach out with their minds. To describe objects hidden in sealed containers. To view distant locations. Even to sense entities that instructors never explained. And these weren't random experiments. The data was being sent directly to military intelligence units involved in remote viewing operations. By the late 80s, the existence of child recruits vanished from official paperwork. Programs were renamed, moved, buried, and when the Gateway documents were finally declassified, every reference to juvenile testing was gone. But according to whistleblowers, the project never ended. It just went deeper underground. Because Gateway wasn't about meditation, it was about shaping a generation of psychic operatives who could navigate dimensions the rest of us don't even see. And if the conspiracy theorists are right, some of those children are adults today, still carrying the abilities the government helped unlock.

SPEAKER_06 4:50

As 2030 approaches, remember this, beloved. At most, we get 120 years on Earth. But these Luciferian bankers and their demonic minions wish to manipulate and control the lives that we live. This depopulation mafia is carrying out their plans. But so is God. You can live in their dystopian nightmare. Or in eternal paradise. So choose wisely.

SPEAKER_09 5:56

We are going to be down below zero. That's right. It is Monday, January 19th, you guys, 2026. Ah, these shows they just keep on rolling along, you guys. Welcome to the spiritual battle and the cultural battle of our lives where truth is dangerous and information is a weapon. Yes, you guys, this is the Dangerous Info Podcast where we talk politics, culture, yawe, and survival preparedness in this crazy world while being harassed by these demon spirits of these dead giants. We got a dead giant story for you today. Brother Outcast, I hear you're out there messing with your microphone, and I just want to let you know episode 251 tonight, you guys. That's right, we have Jess Weatherby. We're talking about the Gate Project, you guys. I can't wait to get in this one, Outcast. It's gonna be a good one. Uh, a lot of information, a lot of stuff about Project Gateway. Yeah, a lot of deep stuff that uh nobody wants to talk about. Used to talk about the 70s, 80s, and 90s, but shhh, not anymore. Listen, we are those crazy conspiracy theorists that your crazy Aunt Karen warned you about, Outcast. That's what I'm saying, and we proved that this weekend. Ha ha. You on one occasion, myself on another. But listen, you guys, we are on Buy Me a Coffee. So if you guys would like to toss a gift into our satchel, we will gladly accept, and you can do that at your convenience, or you can become a monthly supporter if you'd like. Please just tell your friends and family about the show because that is at least free to do. Right here's what I'm talking about, outcast. This is our support at the Buy Me Uh Coffee. And uh, all you have to do is go in there and click on this little bitty. Where is it at? There it is, right there. Little logo. If you guys want to do that, you can hear some, you know, you can like like I said in the in the beginning, in that little promo, you can scare outcast by you know making that rooster crow. And you can do that at your convenience. I don't know when it's gonna happen, just whenever you guys do it, it'll pop up and outcast is gonna jump. So what's good? What's going on, brother? Welcome to the show. It's Monday night.

SPEAKER_04 8:00

Glad to be here. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_09 8:02

Listen, brother, it is uh like I said in the opening, it is cold. You see that sky behind us right there, that nice beautiful blue sky? Well, uh the clouds have cleared away from what I can tell outside. I just went out there and uh uh it is cold. The temperatures are dropped. All the metal that's around, yeah, that's that steel is cold, is what I'm saying, brother. But uh hey, it's it's Michigan and we're used to it.

SPEAKER_04 8:23

Don't put your tongue, don't put your tongue on it.

SPEAKER_09 8:25

Oh man, that's exactly. Yeah, your tongue will be stuck to there for a while. You know, the secret to that is just a little bit of warm water, some warm breath, that'll help. But um, you know, just like in that movie, the kid go put his tongue on the uh on the on the pole. So not me, brother. Hey, um, busy weekend. We had a busy weekend. Uh, I was not able to be here for Thursday morning, uh, the morning show, uh, because we had a lot of snow and I had been out plowing without sleep for I don't know I don't remember the hours outcast, but I was trying to make it in by nine about by 10 o'clock in the morning, and I was still out plowing uh from the whole night before. So it's it's just you guys, I was this close to being here, but I just could not bring it together. Uh it was just too much.

SPEAKER_04 9:12

Um yeah, I mean you had to have been up 24 hours, right? I mean, oh, it was more than that.

SPEAKER_09 9:16

It was in the 30s.

SPEAKER_04 9:17

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I thought so. I don't know even how you do it, dude. That's incredible.

SPEAKER_09 9:22

I guess I'm used to it. I guess I'm used to it by now. But uh yeah, it's just it's uh in a little bit today, you know, it was really, really windy. I don't know about you guys anywhere else in the country, but it was really, really windy here in Michigan, and um not a lot of snow today, but a lot of drifting and a lot of blowing snow. So it makes you know, there was a that hundred car plus pile up today. Uh out I think it was out 96. Um, not not far from us, but uh man, I hate that stuff. But you know, you see, you see one of those every every year. Seems like uh something like that pops up. But uh hey, welcome everybody in the chat rooms, you guys. I see you guys are out there. Welcome. Uh thanks for coming in. Uh everybody over on pill.net, uh, twitch, YouTube, uh uh Facebook, Rumble, and uh talking about Facebook. If you guys saw my uh uh my um reel this morning on on social media, you probably saw or heard me say the dreaded Facebook. Well, yeah, that's gonna be going on. What's going on, James from uh where did he say James from uh Kansas K S right there, James L Jesus from Kansas. What's going on? Um a little shout out there, okay. What was that saying? The um remind me, what was I saying?

SPEAKER_04 10:35

I don't know. I was looking at I was looking at what you were posting. I didn't even hear that.

SPEAKER_09 10:39

I was saying something about um your weekend? Oh no, the Facebook, the dreaded Facebook. Uh that that we're winding, yeah, we're winding our broadcast down on Facebook just because uh, you know, again, the the the upper's not there, they just they don't like this kind of stuff. Uh and we keep getting hit with stuff.

SPEAKER_04 10:56

So you just say Facebook and I check out.

SPEAKER_09 10:58

I just hear you. Yep, I hear you. Hey, a little experiment. I'm gonna leave. Look, we're gonna leave Facebook before they kick us out because it's heading that way. Uh, plus they do not hold an archive of our past work. It they they keep a 30-day, you know, four-week uh uh backlog, and that's it. So there's there's no reason to be here. Um, but don't forget that you know we'll always be uh posting uh from there. I'm not gonna kill that channel over on Facebook. It'll be there. We just won't be broadcasting live from there. We'll we're gonna add in BitChute again. So uh that's always a good one. And we have oh, you hear that outcast? Look right there. I it was uh oh, that's Amber Don.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Chicken in the room.

SPEAKER_09 11:37

That's right, chicken is a rooster. Amber Dawn, she had just posted $25. And uh uh I don't know what she said then there. I'll have to look again, but uh thank you. Uh Amber Dawn, yes, she hit us with that buy me a coffee. Awesome. That was funny. Uh she says, uh I think it pops up on my phone here, Alcast, from the from the app. Uh go ahead, say something.

SPEAKER_04 11:59

No, Amber Dawn, thank you so much. You we uh you didn't have to do that, but uh we do appreciate it. It's just all it goes into a coffer to try to keep things afloat. Jesse puts a lot of effort into the tech and all the planning of the show, and um, it helps a lot. We're we're we we've been operating probably at a loss for a long time or pretty much.

SPEAKER_09 12:16

Oh, yeah, for sure. Uh she just said, Hey, love you both so much, and gratitude is filling my heart. That's Amber Dawn. Awesome. Thank you, Amber Dawn. And uh that that was funny. The rooster comes right in like that. Oh, that's great. Yeah, so yeah, maybe next week or something. Uh I can change those sounds, they can be anything, and I've got a bunch of different sounds that you don't know about. Okay, so then when they pop up, they'll just pop up. Oh, that was good. Um, so yeah, the dreaded Facebook will be at it, winding it down, uh, live broadcast there the end of this month. Um the Thursday show we did that. Oh you if you want to bring up now, we've been busy the last week. Remember, we teased our our tumblers and mugs that were gonna some merch, right? Some merch uh for the show. Well, if you want to tease that up a little bit, we come up, we we came out with some final designs, you guys, and um with the help of a friend uh down in what North Carolina is that where he's at? Yep, yep, our friend Matt. So uh putting in some work for us down there, Alcass. He's doing great. Serious.

SPEAKER_04 13:20

He he has come up with like a myriad of logos for us for Blessed in the Battle as a logo and even the show. And and in his spare time, I mean the the guy is a full-time engineer for NASCAR, and he's still making time to do this for us. And it's it's incredible. I mean, it's it's better than anything I could have dreamed of. Uh we're gonna start out slow, we're gonna we're gonna crawl before we can walk, we're gonna start with these tumblers, but I think uh Matt's gonna help us get teed up with some maybe hoodies and t-shirts and hats, uh all coming down the pike here. And uh you guys will be able to make a donation to the show and then also uh get something out of it too that you can wear. And we're gonna call all these items conversation starters. So when you're got your mug and it says blessed in the battle or dangerous info, and somebody goes, What's up with that? There's your cue to act like Jesse an outcast out in the wild and start talking about crazy stuff that people need to hear about.

SPEAKER_08 14:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:09

Right? Rescue those around you in darkness, and it starts with a conversation. So we're gonna call these items conversation starters, right?

SPEAKER_09 14:15

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, conversation starters for sure. And as we add in more and more, uh, you know, you you guys will understand what we're talking about. Uh the first one here, I want to show them this first one.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

Um, in the past, we showed you the last time we showed you guys uh AI mock-ups. These are the real deal thing, this is what they look like.

SPEAKER_09 14:34

Yeah, so this is right off of Matt's shelf. Let me pull them up right here in the middle and see if sit tell me if they come up, Alcass. Um, I gotta drag it up there. Yep, I gotta drag. You gotta watch it live. So let's see here. Oh my gosh, that thing is huge right there. So let me bring this a lot smaller. Um these are the tumblers that we talked about. Um, what colors are we doing, Outcast? First.

SPEAKER_04 15:00

I think we're doing uh black tumblers and green tumblers, and then we're just doing black. Yeah, that's the black ones there.

SPEAKER_09 15:07

All right, so there's the black ones, you guys. Check that out. Uh tumblers uh it's got our logo right there on the front and on the back. If you spin it around, it says blessed in the battle. So it's it's taking a lot uh from the show and um you know putting it right there on the mug. So it's got the same crossover feel for everything. So that is the tumbler. Uh, you know, put your put your cold drinks, put some uh hot drinks in there, whatever. But I have the uh the mug one coming up too here, Outcast. Oh, look at that. We're getting all kinds of stuff on the screen. So um let me look here for the mugs. And are we gonna have two colors to come out with on these tumblers? Can we talk about something else too?

SPEAKER_04 15:47

Yeah, there's there's gonna be we're gonna do I think we're doing um 12 of the black and 12 of the green.

SPEAKER_09 15:55

Okay, good. That army green. So yeah, you guys, that army green color is so nice. Uh, I can't wait for you guys to see that.

SPEAKER_04 16:01

So I think we're doing uh 24 of the of the coffee mugs.

SPEAKER_09 16:06

Yeah, and you know what we'll do is we'll narrow this stuff down, and uh once it they're they're all set in our possession, and that way we have shipping and we can get all that taken care of. We will make these available in a spot where uh you know for for you guys to go and uh if you want to get one of these, you can get one of these, and that will be helping out the show. But here is another picture uh from on the bench, and this one has the coffee mug. Look at that, outcast coffee mug sitting next to the tumbler, and um look at look at that tandem. It's it's a quite a nice pair of uh pieces of uh you know tumblerware, is what I'm saying. So what do you think of that?

SPEAKER_04 16:44

The mugs will also have blessed in the battle in the back. I you know, dude, I don't want to sound cheesy. It doesn't take much to bring a tear to my eye. I'm an emotional guy, but uh it almost brings a tear to my eye because this is such a long time coming. Yeah, and it looks so good. I mean, Matt just has just he's just been working with us so closely to make this what we want it to be.

SPEAKER_09 17:02

Yeah. Uh let me see. Uh Amber Gray says Army Green and Black, love it. Classic. Yeah, they they're they're they're good. I I can't wait to get these done. Yeah, uh original Terminator on the on the TV in the back behind me. It's uh actually a T2, um, I think is uh it's it's one of them. I've I've got the collection of Terminator right here. So they're on VCR. Yeah, that's what's playing behind me is the VHS tapes, and I'm playing one of them.

SPEAKER_04 17:25

Yeah, that's a great documentary, by the way.

SPEAKER_09 17:27

Oh, it is coming coming to life every day as we go through. So uh yeah, there's our stuff. And you know, we'll we'll as as we get these in. Um I want to show you the video of these being made by the laser. That machine is really cool. I do, but not it's not ready. Yeah, it's not ready.

SPEAKER_04 17:43

Oh yeah, so so it's it's gotta do it with the you gotta have the sound in there too. It sounds cool.

SPEAKER_09 17:48

Yeah, so uh we'll do all that, and um, you know, I think that'd be really cool. And the people will appreciate that. So uh that's the muggler, uh, the mugglers outcast. The mugglers. Yeah, the mugs and the tumblers. Yeah, exactly. So we're gonna have a good time with that stuff. And uh listen, brother, um our guests is in the green room. I'm thinking, you know, if if we have time at the end to do our Nephilim kind of red pill stories afterwards, we can do that. But we got a lot of ground to cover tonight with uh with our guests. So if we want to bar our heads out, Cass, we can do that and have uh your opening prayer.

SPEAKER_04 18:22

Okay, dear Heavenly Father, Adonai El Shade, Elohim, Jehovah Rapha, Jehovah Nisi, Lord, we boy, we come to you every day uh with hearts of gratitude. We cannot thank you enough for all that you've done for us. Um you've delivered us through probably challenges we don't even know that you've delivered us through. Um you've just been there for us in every step of our walk um in the valleys and in the mountaintop experiences and in between. You are always there with us. You never promised us that we wouldn't have adversity, but you promised to be there with us in the adversity, and you have been, Lord. Every time we recenter our hearts on you and we're going through something stressful or scary, we get a peace that washes over us that transcends all understanding, and we cannot thank you enough for that gift of the Holy Spirit that you've given us. Lord, um some people are struggling more than others right now. Some people are under a straight-up attack from the enemy because they present such a danger uh to evil in the world because the the change and the work that you're doing within them. Um I'm thinking of Amber Dawn here. She's been going through a lot of stuff with her car and her and one of her kids and other other things like that. I'm thinking of other people too. I I we prayed with somebody at church on Sunday, she just she recently came to the Lord and now the devil is trying to tell her that she doesn't matter and she's in the way and all these things that are probably rooted to her childhood. So Lord, if anybody out there is feeling under attack or they feel like the devil is lying to them about who they are, um about where they are in in this place in the world, Lord, we ask that you enter in that they enter, they welcome you to enter into their hearts and that you may access the deepest corners where they've buried pain and trauma and and soul wounds. And you just uh you are the great physician, Lord, and you just do your work and just start healing these people right now as I speak, as they're listening to my voice. May you just enter into their heart and start to just address those issues that have left them uh defensive and angry and wounded and broken, where the enemy gets a foothold in and gives them more influence in their lives. We pray that you will just fill them so to the brim with the Holy Spirit that there'll be no room for anything dark to linger and that all that pain will be to subside as they draw closer and closer to you, and you lift them out of the slimy pit of despair and put them on solid rock with you, Lord Jesus, because that's who you are. Because who the sun sets free is free indeed. So, Lord, may every single one of us in your shot right now may we all just fully understand who you are and who we are in you by just knowing you and accepting you and believing on you, the transformation begins immediately. And we thank you for that transformation in our lives, Lord. Um Lord, we thank you for every opportunity that you've given us, every door that you've opened, every door that you've closed because it wasn't the right door. Every relationship you've ended, and every relationship that you guided us towards that was good. We we thank you for uh provision of food and clothing and shelter and heat and electricity in this weather. We want to say warm hats and coats and the boots and the scarves. Uh boy, but you know, none of us are probably none of us are for want of anything. We have what we need, and we thank you, Lord. Uh we may not have everything we think we want, but we have everything that we need, and we we we know that that provision is from you. Heavenly Father, we pray that um you will anoint and bless this episode. Um bless our guest, Jess, Lord. Uh, we know that you have your hand on her. You always have had your hand on her. You've worked profoundly in her life, you've uh guided her towards us to be family with us now. Um so we we pray that you will just anoint all of our minds Jess, Jesse, and myself just move in us and to us and through us and into the lives of our listeners. I mean every single one of our listeners feel so intimate uh intimately connected to us in this podcast that they feel like they're part of a family sitting around a fireside and and uh learning something new and and uh drawing closer to you more importantly Lord Lord sift us and and search us out and show us where there's unforgiveness in our hearts and help us to relinquish that and give it up to you because Jesus you forgave us and um you've you're in the process we should be learning how to forgive others. You've loved us before we even knew who you were you loved us and you've you're you're teaching us how to love others. But Lord you have provided for us and and may we find ways to provide for other people. But Lord just everything that we say don't let us miss any opportunities to to to witness to somebody else don't let us waste them. Just fill our words with with grace and truth and and and seasoned with salt. So anybody that we encounter that's hungry and searching and lost we can pull them out of the darkness and let us let them join the party to be uh in the light and the love of your presence Lord you are you're everything and the world is nothing. And uh so many people have it reversed. But back on Jess, Lord we thank you for her story. We thank you for her testimony we thank you for the conversation we're gonna have um just anoint the whole thing protect us from technical glitches from the enemy um and if there's anybody out there who's uh struggling or hurting right now we pray that you will just be their comforter and you will guide them out of this this situation and that you will just train them up and strengthen them in the process. Lord there was something else I was going to say um oh I want to thank you Lord a couple weeks ago we prayed for somebody named Tim Patricia Patricia's friend Tim uh Tim has had a full recovery he went to a church and had hands laid on him by a pastor and uh and he canceled his surgery for his shoulder and his knee. Thank you Lord um Lord I have a new uh request too and I'm asking our pr our listeners to pray as well my friend Vanessa has a son um named Nicholas he's about 25 years old Lord and he is uh he's been struggling with drugs so bad and he's losing everything he's lost his apartment he's lost his car he's lost his job he is destroying his life and we know that's not from you we know that's the enemy that has taken a foothold in his life to to just uh give this addictive personality just uh just to feed it and to keep him uh destroying himself so Lord I promised her that I would send out an army I'd call on my my army of friends who are prayer warriors to pray for him because we've seen so much prayer answered Lord continue prayers for our friend Ann Brad and her car situation prayers for Mick and Tracy and their uh their rough start to the year with car situations and ill health and kids with pink eye and all kinds of stuff. Lord sometimes it just feels like it's a floodgate of of of trials but we know that you're with us and that you we know that you're strengthening us because the big battle's ahead and you're trying to train up a a an army of warriors that aren't weak and that's why you give us these these adversities that strengthen us. Lord thank you for Jesse and thank you for this podcast. Thank you for every listener.

SPEAKER_09 25:09

God bless everyone Lord and uh we pray all these things in Jesus Christ's holy and precious name amen amen brother thank you so much uh very good um Amber Don says may Nicholas have healing right now and send your army of angels father and keep Vanessa awesome yeah there's a lot of a lot of people saying amen and thank you so much so yeah excellent outcast uh very good uh yes uh Ms. Melody these all the mugs and all the tumblers will have lids on them when they're ready. So music lover what's going on she's in the house tonight um uh let me see oh Wenjo says oh that piece that passes understanding um yeah thank you um awesome outcast listen let's go I don't want to keep our uh our our guests too much longer we're gonna take a commercial break right now go do this little break and on the other side you guys we will be back with uh Jess Weatherby a lot of stuff that uh is gonna make you really scratch your head uh some of you guys might even remember this kind of talk I do back in the day it was crazy but uh outcast I'm gonna look for my screens here where are they what'd you do with them here they are got them all right you guys on the other side we'll be right back this is the Dangerous Info Podcast what are you doing me just hanging around the 20 bucks you owe me oh yeah well I only got 10 so here's 10 I owe you ten. Thanks hey Mo you owe me 20 well here's ten I'll owe you ten uh you owe me twenty here's ten I owe you ten here's a ten I owe you here's the ten I owe you here's the ten I owe you good now we're all even broadly speaking there are two ways in which any government can proceed one is a way based on what you and I would call a free society which is enshrined right at the heart of the American Constitution the other one is a way which allows only one view both of economics and politics in which almost everything is either owned or controlled by the state including the media including the ideas including freedom of discussion and all right you guys tonight we welcome Jess Weatherby to the show she is a homeschool mom ex-Titan games participant follower of Jesus who shares her love for family and fitness on her Instagram profile which you guys can go follow at JessWeatlifts I put the link down here in the description below so you guys can go check her out. Now listen to this in the 1980s and 1990s many of the brightest students in the U.S. were enrolled in gifted and talented education program that's right GATE that's what that stands for designed to foster advanced learning and critical thinking but decades later some former participants were speculating whether the program had a hidden agenda and you know what I bet it did and I'm almost 100% it did. Welcome to the show Jess Weatherby how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Hey you guys I am doing well um thank you so much for having me outcast I appreciated in your prayer that you consider me family. You guys have been part of my family for a long time and uh appreciate what you're doing and humbled and honored to be here. Jesse we talked about the lights earlier uh things have shifted in here with sundown. Is this too bright? It's good it's perfect.

SPEAKER_09 28:39

Nope it's perfect. Yep looks great. Yep good to go.

SPEAKER_04 28:41

So uh yeah we we did a little bit of uh uh a pre-show just to check connections and all that stuff and and uh outcast you just missed her by a few minutes there but it's okay we're gonna be able to get uh get get along right here on this show uh so outcast anything before uh we get going because we did have a text thread going earlier in preparation uh I think that was last week it seems like uh everything's just running together right now but uh if you remember uh we we yeah I think it was last week we had a great conversation the three of us kind of uh just a warm-up back to this whole thing and um you know just we're so similar and connected on so many levels of how we think so Jess welcome to the show uh it's just you're it's like you're a listener that's part of the family that is has an opportunity to be brought on with purpose too and that's exciting so um thank you so much and thank you for the kind words too um but uh you are a great communicator I can tell you know from our previous conversation and you have a lot to say and um like I said you're definitely one of us God bless you and welcome God bless you guys I feel very welcome and howdy to everybody listening I appreciate everyone who's on here right now so thank you yeah I think you have uh you you came with a a crew of your own there so welcome to everybody who has never been here and and and and then you know enjoyed our show uh hope you have a good time with us tonight.

SPEAKER_09 29:57

Um we have Wenjo and Wenjo in the chat says uh I was in gate from uh fourth grade through junior year recently heard the sounds from those headphones and it gave me nightmares and flashbacks yeah we're gonna end up getting to that stuff I know you're you know what uh you know he's talking about Jess so um we'll get there in a little bit you guys but there's so many things that uh you know we I want to talk to you about and you you have said that you have listened to us in the past and I and know that because you get uh a lot of feedback we get a lot of feedback from you constructive feedback which is really good um you always check us when we're you know uh you know crossing the line or or coming close to an edge where it may be wrong but you know I appreciate that you know what I mean appreciate that and uh uh listen we're we're all trying to do this together right we're all having a having a good time out here trying to get to the discourse is dead so maybe we can try to to bring it back to life yeah yeah for sure so um look there's so many places I want to start um I'm just gonna pick one homeschooling mom uh that was the first thing that I wrote down and and talked about in my reel today and um you know we've talked about homeschooling a lot in here with Dr. Sean Brooks and just in general uh how how important that is uh because we see what public education government indoctrination has done to our kids and our youth uh you know just yeah love bring us into you know what with your your thoughts about the homeschooling you've done it you are doing it I believe or are you done yet I've got one one left I've got three um very successful kids that are kind of doing their own thing now um very successful adults proud of all of them um yeah so homeschooling it it's 23 going on 24 years now um and I do consider my home you know my time when the kids were toddlers and I was you know I was I was educating them before they were school age as all mothers do.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

So you know anybody out there consider yourself a homeschooler at that point too. Yeah so I think a lot of people start off with a homeschool because they're dissatisfied with public school or something upset them, which is an absolute absolutely um rational response um especially at this day in time. But for me when I when I began um I really didn't know a lot about public school. I was a public schooler I I didn't really have a you know a concept I was a young mom um got married uh right after college and had a baby right after that you know 10 months later um so I I was not really in touch what was going on in the public school system at the time that I made the choice to homeschool. And it was for me it was um I wanted to be with my children. I knew uh felt confident um that I could do it as well. And you know I did have people bring up issues with uh you know talking about social skills or if I would fall short educationally in some area and I always felt like I'll burn that bridge when we get there. I definitely did see you know there is a um stigma with homeschoolers as far as you know are they going to be awkward are they gonna be able you know to effectively communicate or are they going to be outcasts, no offense outcasts, you know, when they enter the world um and I I am here to tell you 100% I did not have that experience with my kids. In fact quite the opposite and all my years of homeschooling I have been complimented so many times by adults um we we are frequently in places where we're we're at a museum when other kids are in school or we're vacationing or something, you know, a field trip when other kids are in school. And I've had so many adults approach me who, you know, in a tour group or in a corner of a museum, you know, they're conversing with my children who are just happy and and very outgoing. And so the social thing was never an issue for us. Educationally I would like to encourage all parents that you do have what it takes. When God gives you your children you have spiritual and educational authority and he will equip you for everything as it pertains to their those children. Yes I I I have an education but I don't believe that my um education uh definitively helped me with my kids. What helped me with my kids is um conversing with my kids being there in in those little moments where you know we see something on the news or we hear about a current event and we can converse and um so you know from that standpoint again to reiterate God thoroughly equipped me for everything that I had to do for and with my children. So if anybody out there is on the fence about it and thinking about homeschooling absolutely um go for it. You will be equipped you will find what you need um and I I can tell you from my experience that um it was you know it's hard um there are certainly struggles there was never a day there was never a single day where I thought what am I doing? Why am I doing this? This is a mistake not one time not in the worst moments of homeschooling did I ever think that there's a mistake here and it is for the reasons that you just mentioned because I knew what I was instilling in my children. And above all else when you instill a love for God and a passion for the truth and and logic and critical thinking you absolutely can't go wrong because we can teach our kids to regurgitate facts. And my kids can regurgitate facts as well don't get me wrong but we we're not very good as a public school system or a society in teaching our kids or even giving them the discernment and wisdom to understand how to apply those facts. So we can all know the president's in order we can know you know dates that different wars started. But when you teach your kids how to ask questions and then dig for the answers and hold everything up to a litmus test of proof and scripture you absolutely will not go wrong with homeschooling in my opinion.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

Now you're talking about critical thinking outcast you hear that I mean there's there's so much to unpack there because uh I love how you stated that you know as a parent you have this authority over your kids and God gives you the ability don't don't second guess that right I think that's a really beautiful message Jess that thank you for saying that you know and and um I you know there the the the stigma of saying oh the kids aren't going to be socialized that was the big thing back when we were growing up in the 80s oh homeschool kids aren't socialized. Maybe I'm looking through a cynical filter of my past but I think the only thing I learned how to do in you know that that mainstream high school would have taught me was how to manage jerks and and how to maybe be a jerk to to work around other jerks. It didn't teach me to be a an outstanding sadison who you know has compassion and has the ability to communicate. If anything I learned to keep your mouth shut because somebody else is going to pick on you if you say the wrong thing. Right. I think what you're talking about here is spiritual based, biblically based it's uh it's your authority like you said over your children. You're there's no there's no way a kid's not going to flourish in that environment. And I know that the statistics are back that homeschool kids are way more socialized. They're they're they talk to adults way easier than kids that go to regular school are um we we've been you know Jesse and I've been critics of the mainstream school system but I'm speaking from experience. I mean when I look back at my high school experience I mean I don't I don't know if I I didn't love it. I I I I survived it is what I felt like. And I and I almost you know now that we're all of us here and all of our listeners we're awake you look at that experience and you can just see how it's a very Orwellian type of process that just grinds kids to a pulp, steals their personality teaches them to obey uh rewards the regurgitators not the great thinkers. There's so many and and I just hearing you talk so confidently about it, it just warms my heart because I know for a fact that I think everybody should be homeschooling their kids if they have the ability to to to pull that off they should because nobody's going to know your kid like you know your kid and how they how each one learns they all have different personalities. This one learns like this this one learns like that the schools don't care. They do one size fits all teaching and if you get lost in the shuffle they tell you that you've got to go down to shop class and you're not gonna be anything it's it's crap. But I didn't mean to to hijack your story. I just find everything you said so perfectly stated and I think that that needs to be heard far and wide so I just want to throw that in there.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Sorry Jesse correct and and probably um I I hope I'm not kind of getting into the the realm of conspiracy um too early on but we know now what the whole Rothschild school system we we know that that was to train factory workers. That's just a fact um and you know in modern society we outsource literally everything as parents right um you know our the religious teaching you know if we go to church we outsource it and we depend upon the youth group or the youth pastor or the Bible school classes instead of us being the ones to instill them with a love for God, a passion for scripture and truth. We outsource all of our training you know to public education system and we're very surprised we've all heard the expression, you know, if you send your kids off to Rome for eight hours a day, don't be surprised when they come back Romans. And that is absolutely true. Absolutely true. You you can't expect that. And unfortunately nowadays it's not an eight hour turn right because we're getting there at 645 for sports practice and then we're going to school all day and then these children are staying for UIL or for more sports practice or they're getting off of a you know a bus from a a a meet. And so and then and then when they're picked up in the afternoons for shuffling them off to soccer or whatever sporting uh activity, you know, piano lessons, whatever it is. And so the time frame where parents are actually influencing their children in any way at all. And I don't mean influence in in that I have never you know twisted my kids' arms and said you have to believe what I believe but I do tell them what I believe, why I believe it and just the the window of opportunity for parents to actually have meaningful conversations um is so small. And with homeschooling your kids, you know if your kids finally get up the courage to ask you something that um that they're embarrassed to ask you or they're confused about those quiet moments are everything everything. And homeschooling you can take out the education the scriptural component all the above if you like but those small moments that I have had the opportunity to have with my kids and build such a relationship my kids know that I'm gonna tell them the truth um if they want to hear it if they don't want to hear it I will never and you know have never lied to them. And they know that and they trust that and because of that they're confident in coming to me even when um you know things maybe they've done something that they shouldn't maybe they're questioning something and they know they can come to me and we can have those difficult conversations because we're not the only ones wrestling, you know Job wrestled uh Jacob wrestled before he came Israel. We all have to have that moment of let's get touched on the hip. And for me just fomenting that with opportunity is a huge thing outside of every other benefit of homeschooling.

SPEAKER_09 41:58

Yeah very smart. So glad you did that we have friends here um that that homeschooled all their kids you know and same thing is that the most polite smartest uh well-behaved and well-mannered kids that get along with all the adults um you know what I think that um when when when the you know the government education talks about uh homeschoolers and put them in a bad light and all that stuff you know they had an easy time to do that whipped before the whole scandemic came along but people started realizing and looking towards these people who were pulling their kids out of school and teaching with the family um because you know during that time off uh the the parents were seeing you know specifically the moms were overlooking their kids' shoulders watching what was going on in the computer and those teachers were being busted they were they were busting themselves uh because all of a sudden now there goes your argument government education of how you're gonna socialize your kids well bring them to bring them to public schools you can socialize them then so what do you mean getting bullied getting thrown in in the in the locker getting you know your pants pulled down getting called uh all kinds of names getting taught LGBTQ stuff getting taught about you know things that are are are you know false history is that the kind of socializing you're talking about government no don't want any part of that crap and if I had to do it all over again I would be pushing so hard to do the homeschooling thing um uh that the the look they're losing grip uh that this this American model of quote education it's it's not it can't last it can't uh you know Rockefeller took it over way back in the early 1900s uh like you said Jess to uh to to to try to bring up uh about factory workers getting used to bells getting used to uh you know you know bell go over here don't be late um is there is there much difference between that and in a prison I don't know the buses look the same different color the buildings look the same one has bars the other one doesn't uh they're they're they're moving bells opening doors to to move them along down the hallway It's kind of like prison to me. So I don't know. Yeah. Homeschooling. I'm glad you're you're out there and doing what you're doing. But uh we need it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:08

I really I really like what music lover says here. She says, and then they come home with two to four hours of home homework every day. So you don't get to have quality time with them either. So that's a great point. It's like they come home and they're consumed with the work that they should were supposed to be doing in school. And you're right, there's no time for the parents to have any input into the upbringing of this kid. And then you know what happens is parents they just after a while they just kind of go like this and they just let the world raise their kids. I've seen it, I've seen parents that just check out, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_09 44:34

Because they've they've not been encouraged to yeah, yeah, they make it easy for the parents to check out because they're teaching these kids stuff that you know, coming out of the Bill Gates UN stuff, you know, Common Core and all that stuff. I remember that came on, and uh all of a sudden, wow, the parents can't relate to what the kids are teaching you because you're teaching a different math. So we can't help you. So what is a kid uh normally gonna are gonna do? Go back to government, you know, teachers asking for help because our parents they're dumb now, they don't know what this math is. You know, that's one good way to get in there.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

Yeah, that is so true. They make all of that normal. Um, and to piggyback off of that, what do you see happening to those kids that don't fit in that mold and this educational style doesn't work? That is such a blessing of homeschool. Um, outcast, you you touched on it earlier. So I've got yeah, I've got four kids. Um, my number three is dyslexic. I'm gonna tell you that kid, he's a superstar. He is insanely intelligent. All my kids are, and I know all moms brag, but um they're they're great intelligent kids. Um, but you know, I think about him, and I had, you know, my daughter was reading at four. I had then my second son, who I I kid you not, um, was reading 500-page autograph, uh, autobiobiographical, not autobiographical, biographical history novels. He's a big history buff. Um, he was reading those at three and a half with comprehension. Yeah. And then, you know, when the third one came along, sharp as attack, bright as he could be, um, he was not a fluent reader until seven. And he was incredibly dyslexic, um, diagnosed dyslexic. Um, we had to do, we had to completely shift the paradigm because what worked for the other kids did not work for him. In fact, my younger son was actually, um, who's about uh 20 months younger, was actually fixing to clock that one. And and, you know, I actually had to put the brakes on the younger son um and and focus on the number three. And I'm gonna tell you, that kid is um, well, he he graduated. Um, so all my kids, so to answer a question and maybe for some of your your audience, all my kids have gone on to secondary education. Um they've had to in Texas, you have to take what's called a TSIA, which is an assessment test for your um, you know, comprehension, mathematics, language. Um, my oldest daughter, I didn't endeavor to start her, um, but she's earlier than that. She started um college at 16, was taking college classes at 16. My number two was taking college classes at 14. Um, my number three took his TSIA last year, was absolutely terrified, aced it, got advanced placement in every single category. In fact, it was like advanced, advanced, um, doing extremely well. He's in trade school, he's plumbing. Um, my daughter went on, um, she has a four-year degree. She, you know, I'll brag on her a little bit. She was an advanced upper honors scholar on the dean's list, you know, all of the above. So they're they're very successful kids. And that's not a testament to my skill. That's obviously a testament to God, but it's just a testament to parents who spend time with their kids and have conversations with them and who have the option of catering that education towards their kids. Um, we all live in one world and we all have to walk out the door. And so there's a limit to that because you have to understand that you are sending your your children out into society and you can't keep them in a bubble. You can't fix everything, and you can't cater jobs or higher education to those children. But when you're talking about the baselines of understanding how that child's brain works and understanding how they learn, um, and then creating a passion, a lifelong passion for learning, which I can tell you all four of my kids have, um, being able to customize that early onset education, understand how your kids function is key because then we're not sticking kids on, you know, psychotropic drugs and forcing little boys to sit in a desk and be still and then telling them that they're, you know, not bright and putting them in a special needs class just because they're in a classroom with 30 kids and the teacher can't take time out for that one. But as a parent, you can take time out for that one. And I I just highly encourage it.

SPEAKER_09 49:09

Yeah, very smart. Uh, a lot of people concurring with you and uh, you know, down here in the chat room too, saying, uh, you know, that's a uh homeschoolers. This is Wenjo says each one of my homeschoolers also graduated top of their classes. Yeah, that's again, you know, uh that's a credit to stewardship to their care, a credit to you, your stewardship. So uh that's from uh Amber Dawn. So go ahead, Alcast.

SPEAKER_04 49:32

Uh both uh both Wenjo uh and Jess mentioned, you know, drugging the kids. Um, I've said this on the show a while ago. I'm gonna say it again. I heard a I think a woman, uh I can't remember her name, but she wrote a book and she basically says, um, in a nutshell in the book, explains how starting in the late 70s and early 80s, there was a push to view boys as hyperactive girls. They found it recess was inconvenient. Recess was there not for the girls so much for the boys to blow off steam so they can learn. And there was they they learned differently. So what they decided to do was start to drug them with Adderall and uh and try to like uh chill the boys out so they could try to teach everybody lazily in the same way. They don't have to worry about the boys in the girls' curriculum. So what they did was they just drugged an entire generation because they didn't like them being boys, they they just viewed them as hyperactive girls. Um now, Jess, we didn't discuss this at all uh when we talked last week, but I I have a question for you, and I I just I know it's gonna be a good answer. Uh I don't want to blindside you with it, but as a Christian mother who has put so much care into teaching her children how to be strong, productive people, intelligent, use their brains, use their talents. Um, what's your viewpoint? How do you view letting them go off into the wild when they become of age to grow up? I mean, I see parents in in my offices I talk to, and they're like, Oh, I don't care if my kids ever leave the house. I just want everybody around me at all times, I just want them all to live here. And I'm like, what are you saying? Your job is to cultivate them, to grow and fly, and you're wanting to hold them back. Uh, but I I know that you're not the type of person to do that. How do how does how do you view that as a Christian woman when you look at that process?

SPEAKER_02 51:08

I completely agree. Um, I I will say that there are there are downsides. There are things that I have seen in the homeschool community. Um, we touched on a few of them with our conversation last week. Um, not everything is is roses. Um, and that is one of the problems that I see is people keeping their children in a bubble. Um, I was always the mom, you know, from the time my kids were little bitty. If we're gonna talk about crossing the street, I'm gonna show them that, you know, the the dead bird or the dead cat and say, this is why you don't cross the street by yourself. This is why you look for cars. And that, you know, that carries on up into adulthood. We don't hide things. Um, I don't hide the world from my ch from my kids. Um we definitely have tempered the message um to be respectful of the age that they're at. But I've probably erred on the side of I I share and I I just the world is what the world is gonna be. And if you keep your kids in a bubble, you are not equipping them to go out in the world and be successful. Um that is a problem, and that is something that I do see as being a failure, is that you have people that homeschool out of fear and they're so afraid of the outside world that they want to lock it all out. They wanna, and I understand these phones that we have are, you know, they're problematic, but they are a reality. Computers are a reality, websites, the internet, all of those things. And if you're not teaching your kids how to use those and um use them properly and in a way that pleases God, then you're doing them a disservice. Same thing when they're growing up. It's funny, outcast, that you mentioned that. I hear that from a lot of parents in general. Um, and I do hear it from a lot of homeschool moms. You know, they they have this fear of their children growing up. I think it's beautiful. I think it's wonderful. I love seeing my kids grow up. I love seeing them become these awesome adult people that I can converse with. And, you know, people say your kids aren't your friends. Well, my adult kids are my friends. I enjoy them. We have wonderful conversations, we talk on the phone. Um, it is a gift to release your kids and to let them fly. And hopefully, if you've done it right, they come back home to roost from time to time too. They will always need you as a parent. I feel like those roles change, they shift. Um, I feel like my kids will always need me and I will always uh 100% be there for them, but I will never handcuff them uh because the minute that I do, then I am interfering with God's plan for their lives. And that's my take on that.

SPEAKER_04 53:51

So smart. Amen. You're your kids are blessed to have you as a mom. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 53:56

That's great. So from homeschool freedom to fitness, if you guys want to go over and check out uh Jess's uh Instagram, you guys go check her out at Jess J-E-S-S, uh, underscore weatherby underscore lifts on Instagram. Uh go check that out and you'll see that she is a lifter and she you like to work out and you're you you know what you're doing and it leads you places, right? I mean, uh you know, you we talked about the games that you were in uh a while back, and I'd like to hear a little bit more about that, plus your overall you know, fitness and and you know your thoughts on that. And yeah, okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 54:35

Yeah, just let me just say I I I want Jess to teach me to get abs like hers. That's what I want.

unknown 54:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 54:41

I think everybody does. Yep. Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 54:46

All right, Jess. So talk about your heavy.

SPEAKER_02 54:48

That's the key to the abs. Lift heavy. You don't need to do sit-ups, just lift heavy.

SPEAKER_09 54:52

Lift heavy and watch what you're eating, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:55

Of course, yeah. I am um I'm a meat eater. I'm a meat eater, you guys. Um, we do we do too many carbs in this world. I'm not gonna um preach to anyone and tell you that you have to cut a whole food group out. But the reality is um your body can actually um, through a process called gluconeogenesis, if your body did need carbohydrates, your body can actually make its own from protein and protein byproducts. Um, so there is not a biological need for carbohydrates. If you like carbohydrates, that's wonderful. Just do not eat too many and watch the quality because at the end of every, even the best quality carbohydrates, it's glucose. And the huge problem that we have nutritionally in this country, or the huge um contributor to disease, in my opinion, is hyperinsulinemia. And that happens when you have chronically elevated insulin levels, which occurs when you are basically overeating carbohydrates for an extended period. And if you do a little research and scratch the surface, every single uh of the top 10 killer diseases is intimately connected with insulin and blood sugar levels. And um, I mean, I could go down a whole lot of rabbit trails about Dr. Kellogg and all that kind of stuff that we could talk about, but uh, you know, we might save that for another time. Um definitely believe in eating clean, uh, eating, eat your fat, you guys. Oh, yeah. Um, Jesse's mentioned it on the pod before. Um, you know, your brain needs fat. You cannot um synthesize hormones without fat. It's the reason they put everyone on statins. Um, that completely causes you to break down your myelin sheaths, which are kind of like insulators um for your nervous system. It's kind of like the insulation on uh an electrical cord. And um, without it, you're you can't function, you can't move, you got sparks flying everywhere. Um you got to have them to think, and uh you gotta have the good ones. And I'm not talking about fats and um, you know, the cheesecakes that you buy from the store. I'm talking about good fat from uh beef, saturated fats, despite what you've been led to believe, they are not the enemy. They are absolutely your friend. You need them. Watch out for the trans fats, watch out for the polyunsaturated fats. You eat your steak, you have that fatty piece around the edge of the ribeye, and you, you know.

SPEAKER_09 57:37

Just talking my game now, Cast. Yes, love that meat. I eat so much of that stuff. Yeah, it's well, uh one of my uh my oldest daughter, um, full-on carnivore. I mean super strict carnivore. She's been that uh just over a year now. Uh beef tallow cooks with the beef tallow. She eats uh she does eat eggs um and butter and some salt. Uh she makes all these uh comes up with all these little concoctions for desserts. They look like pancakes, some of them look like uh brownies, but it's all meat-based stuff. Uh it's it's really good. I I man, um, it just takes a little time to prepare for that stuff. You have to prep a little bit, but if you're just gonna eat meat, carnivore, that's very quick, very easy, because you're only cooking one thing usually, outcast. It's just you know, throw a big old steak on the grill uh or or in the oven, wherever you want to do it, and you're gonna eat on that, you know. And uh if if you're fasting during the week, there's no day you don't have to eat, come back and you just eat a steak. I mean, that's one of my favorite things: steak, eggs, cottage cheese, and butter and some salt. Man, that's that's all I need, really.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

Yeah, absolutely. Mitochondrial diseases are what is killing everyone in this country, and the way to stop that um is to do exactly what you said.

SPEAKER_09 58:51

Good. So good, yeah. I completely agree. Yep. And it's uh I think it's easy to uh to to eat that way, carnivore. It's just uh it makes shopping easier, you know. You don't have to worry about putting all this other stuff together and just just throw some meat on there. Not missing an ingredient.

SPEAKER_02 59:06

You got salt and pepper and a big fat ribeye, and you're good to go.

SPEAKER_09 59:09

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 59:10

And butter. I I love butter.

SPEAKER_09 59:11

So oh yeah, I mean, my I use butter in uh in well, I talk about bulletproof coffee, and I actually had some people reach out to me during the last or from last week's show to now about my butter, uh bulletproof coffee. And uh, you know, it's very simple. Uh, just whatever coffee you drink, black, just I put raw cream, I put um uh MCT oil, which is coconut oil, and uh uh the the grass-fed butter, you know, like the Kerry Gold or the there's a good one over at Kirkland, they sell a good one, so that's it. It's simple. Get your lips all greasy and shiny, it makes it nice, is what I'm saying. Um, but anyway, so if you guys want to check her out over about you know fitness things like that, check out her Instagram, it's linked down below. And that fitness has led you places in the past, it's specifically the Titan games. Um if some of you guys might remember the seeing that you that I think that was on TV, right? On one of these local or national networks.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

It was on TV, yes.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:12

My season was back in 2020, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:15

2020, wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

Yeah, so it was uh 2020, yeah. It was we we filmed right as you know, everybody was still calling it the Kung Flu back then. So we had a combine that um we had to go through a process which was really wild, and um then they selected a group to go do a combine, NFL style combine that was in Los Angeles. And I think we did that um I want to say the first or second week in January of 2020, and then we started filming somewhere around February, so about a month later is we went through the combine. If you made the cut and got selected, then you uh went on and were filming the show in Atlanta in um around um around February of 2020, which you know there's lots of interesting things that I surmise and and things that I wonder um just with the timing of all of that and the way the season panned out. But um yeah, it was uh it was interesting. Um it's official title as far as uh what was expressed to us. And I'm gonna have to be careful because I'll I'll speak up abstractly. If I were to uh produce a TV show that I wanted to have kind of uh carte blanche control and headship over, I would have people at the final hour sign an NDA. That's just what I would do if I were a TV producer. So um I'll have to continue to speak abstractly about things like that. Yeah, but ask away. It was um interesting experience. Um, I have a little bit of kind of an insight into reality TV because I'm from the town that the uh fix rupper people are. And so um I do know knowing what goes into that show, what doesn't go into that show, and and how that all plans out. I already went in knowing that um potentially this could all just be, you know, um just for fun. Uh I was hoping that it was going to be a hardcore um competition. Um, you know, my my backstory at that time. So I didn't start working out until I was about 40. And just, you know, typical, uh, got like five pounds I want to lose kind of thing. And when I started working out, I figured out pretty quickly in the gym that I was at. I was actually working alongside a lot of um collegiate athletes and um pretty stellar adult athletes, people that were D1 athletes in the past, um, division one athletes in the past. And rather quickly, it I it I just took to it. It was something that came very easy for me. I developed very quickly, the strength developed quickly. And so, um, but what what I didn't know is that I've always had back problems. I've always had hip problems. And um long story short, I was supposed to have had hip surgery and had a full hip replacement, bilateral labral tears, cam and pincher. Um, I had deformed femoral heads, uh, deformed ankles, like everything was a hot mess uh and didn't know it. Um and was supposed to have all that replaced. And I decided I was gonna start lifting instead. Um not long after I started, I had a freak accident doing something kind of dumb, um trying to jump over a fence that broke, and I ended up uh having a triple tear. So I tore everything in my knee, tore the meniscus, tore the ACL, MCL, LCL. Um, and it was so defeating. But with my hips, what I had done is I went back and I researched um recidivism rates, the success of the surgery, um, and I just discovered that there was no difference in people that just built up the muscles to support the hips and went along with their life versus the people that actually had a hip replacement. And what I found statistically is that those that had the hip replacement actually had a lower quality of life, never returned to their normal activities, um, weren't always, you know, couldn't carry on. And so I was a mom. I was a mom of four. We were very active. We like outdoors, we like hiking. And so that having surgery was not an option. And then when the when things happened with my knee, I felt the same way. It was like, okay, I I know that the path of least resistance is to have surgery, but I'm not interested in that. I don't have time to go through this long process to go through the recovery, didn't want to spend the money on it. Um, so I worked out and then oddly enough, ended up in the Titan games. And that makes me wonder, jumping to our next segment, if there was more to that. Um, but yeah, it was um it was interesting. If you have questions about that, ask away. I'll I'll answer them. Um it was definitely, as I said before, it was called a reality TV game show, if that answers any questions in advance for you.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:20

You know, that reminds me a little bit of the old uh was it the American oh the American Gladiator games and all that stuff. That's that's what it reminded me of, is all that stuff. And um, man, that is wild. But you know, you did like you said, you got a chance to see kind of under the hood, get a peek under the hood of what is going on with these reality shows. I've got a few friends uh who have been in some of that stuff, some uh uh the realty, you know, uh selling homes type of things. And uh what goes on there, how much of this stuff is actually just staged, how many of these people are uh Actors in place saying these lines that uh you know that's that's not their goal is to be what they are. They're using that as sort of a springboard to get somewhere else into this whole Hollywood Truman show type of thing. Uh Alcast, you yeah, you want to layer anything in on that? Alcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:17

Yeah, just a little little layer. Yeah, I I have uh an acquaintance that was on Inkmasters, which is a tattoo competition, and she said that they starved them to death and sleep deprived them so they would fight and bicker.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:31

Um that's a that's one of the other things. And then my buddy, a buddy of mine was on um Cash and Cara. I don't know if you've ever heard of that one, but it's like a a picker show where they go around and they hit uh uh estate sales. Okay. And uh and he said that like one day he he's a big gruff guy, you know, big bald head, big big beard tattoos, and he they make a pile of stuff that they want to buy. And somebody was going through his pile, he's like, he's got a big voice, he's like a big Viking. He's like, hey, that's my stuff, and and uh they're like then they were like, Okay, that was awesome. We want to do this again. And then they've restaged the whole thing. So it was it was a real event, but then they they made him fake it to do it all over again for the show. So it's you know, when you're whenever you're watching those reality shows, you're like, so you're telling me there was a camera when they walked through the door and they acted surprised? Okay, yeah, like it's it's such theater, it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

But all of the above and then some, yeah, absolutely. All the above and then some.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:24

I know you can't name names or anything. Did you see anything, I don't know, particularly dark or sketchy that kind of fits into like some of the conspiracy theories we have about Hollywood and the people in it? I mean, did you see anything strange that set off alarms for you?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:38

You know, I wouldn't say strange. Um, they told us that the Combine, which was like the competitive event that got you on the show, they did tell us that um very directly, hey, we're watching you, and we're probably watching you in places where you don't think. So guard your tongues when you're on elevators or you're walking in the hallways between your rooms. Um and so that was interesting. I did have a conversation with uh another gentleman, and it was funny. We actually were talking at a the breakfast table the the day before we competed in the combine. And I don't know where he's at now, you know, politically or spiritually. He definitely shared some reservations concerning up the person that you know runs the show, the big title character in the show, who's the the the front man for it all. Um he was discussing that, and so you know, we were both big losers. And um, I think that's that's pretty interesting. Somehow we got we got chosen, but uh for the show, but we looked, we definitely had our humiliation ritual on TV. Um, I don't know if that's directly part of those conversations. Um I didn't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:53

Wait, wait, wait, wait, Jess, are you kind of implying that they sabotaged you to lose because they heard they heard your opinions?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:00

Well, I have to be careful on what I say. So that was at the combine, that was not at the you know, the competition that you see online. I I can tell you so, and again, I'll just say this abstractly. If if I had a TV show that I was producing that was supposed to look like a competition, but I had already planned out the trajectory for the competition, who would win and kind of what I envision the show to look like. Um, there are things that I could do to make that happen. And for instance, if we're gonna talk about a show that was talking about weights, um, you might have weights that are marked 45 pounds that are actually 35 pounds for the person that you favor. You might have a rope that someone is trying to pull and they have to get to the end of that rope. Um, but the competitor has a rope that's shorter, which means they get there quicker. Um, if you had objects that you were having to kick or thrust, those objects could be under tension at different rates. They could weigh different things. Um, if you were in a situation where there was kind of an obstacle course type of thing, um there could be hidden obstacles in the obstacle course. So, like let's say I was running through a maze and someone was filming that, I could have potentially some, you know, the producers potentially, if I ran that type of show, could put like a piece of sheetrock to block me from getting through. So and an opponent could get through there quickly. If I was trying to crank on something, um they could have put in a kind of a lock or um inhibited the gears from turning, you know, so that a certain person won. Um one thing that I can absolutely tell you um is, you know, before so to double down on what you said, outcast, absolutely. We were we were kept from food. Um the offerings were minimal. They would have us get up and meet downstairs at four in the morning and then have us shoot what they called B-roll for 16 hours some days with next to nothing uh to eat. Um gosh, running on fumes. You know, we would be up till late at night, having to get up super early in the morning, working 16-hour days, no food. Um yeah, that that aspect was really that was really physically, you know, very difficult. Um so you're absolutely right about that. Um, as far as, you know, the competition itself, I've just mentioned things that I might do if I wanted to have a show that looked competitive, but might not necessarily be competitive. Um, there's a lot of that. There were even celebrities that were brought in, and those celebrities, um, you know, they were there to drum up view views and um just to give the show cred, in my opinion. Um I will tell you that my castmates, um, I have a tremendous amount of respect, respect, and and love for 99% of them. Wonderful people, absolutely kind, sweet people. We were all very different and we all gelled and um bonded and got along extremely well in spite of all of those um adversarial things. You know, um I did suspect. So before we went in, we kind of knew who was going to come out ahead. There were private meetings with uh Mr. Duane that were had with a couple of the competitors who, lo and behold, ended up winning the competitions. And I'm not gonna say they didn't win, didn't deserve it. Um those two people are tremendously gifted athletes. They were strong, they were capable. Um, I think it's sad when you have a group of extremely gifted people um who have worked their tails off, and then you have to circumvent um the natural process of who's gonna come out on top with, you know, just your Truman show antics. And I do believe that 100% happened. Um I know that it happened. We we had a group text that we communicated on, and so we were actually it just now stopped being active. So five years later, we've carried on this group text um with one another. And so during each competition, which were not filmed sequentially like what you saw on the show, um, you know, we were we were chatting, we were keeping up, and these things that were happening did not add up. Um Yeah, it it's um it's probably what you think it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:50

It's it's the Hunger Games, it's it's running man.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:54

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:55

Yeah, you know, uh like you were saying, the the the the the winners are predetermined. Um and there's ways within the game to give them the advantage to get each competition that they need to win in order to get to the top, to get to the finals, because it's whatever that is, because it's script, it's it's a scripted fairy tale to to either inspire or or whatever agenda they have to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:16

So and I I think it might be more. So in hindsight, so while we were there, I I personally felt like there were people um in place. And again, I I love all of these people, and um as human beings, I I truly do. They're they're wonderful people. I did suspect that there was several that were there. Um, moles is probably a harsh word, and I don't mean any disrespect to any of my castmates, but I feel like they were there for a different purpose. And what I found out later is that there was a lot of um members of our season that had previous reality TV show stunts that had been on quite a few different reality TV shows. Um, I also have seen in, you know, since the show aired, there's been probably three people, in my opinion, that I felt like possibly could be those people. And watching their careers, it almost feels like they were put through that humiliation ritual in order to take the next step. And they're still stepping, they're still progressing in their careers. And I'm not judging that, I'm not saying that they're bad people. They may well come to a point where they say, okay, I cannot in, you know, in good faith continue to, you know, um, I don't know, just I I just feel like you don't live your life with integrity if you're a part of this Truman Show circus. Um, so they may come out of that, but I've definitely seen certain careers um grow and evolve and change. And it does make me feel like part of that was a humiliation ritual. Like, okay, are you gonna take this or are you gonna keep your mouth shut? Or are you gonna are you gonna keep your mouth shut? Are you gonna take this? And then we're going to continue to slowly progress you through this because you know, nobody starts out as Katy Perry and Lady Galgall, right? They all go through these layers and these steps where I think you steadily, you know, lose your soul and and give up who you are. And I I think that uh that potentially was the case with this show.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:25

Wow. It's freaky. I mean, I I'm I'm not surprised, but for some reason it's this is hitting me kind of hard. It makes sense. It makes sense. But I mean, when you when the way you illustrated like how subtly they could stack stack something against you or to promote somebody else, it makes all the sense in the world to me. 100%. I just hadn't thought about it like that. And just it's one more thing that they show us on TV that is absolutely fake and corrupted, and it's designed to accomplish some goals for them, and it has nothing to do with truth for us. Uh, it just blows my mind.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:59

But thank you for those insights because Yeah, and they are all they they're like that. There's another sister show that you're probably very familiar with that that has kind of acrobatic people high flying over obstacles and and running through kind of a obstacle course. Um we had conversations with producers in in the car that would shuttle us back and forth between different locations, and they were part of their shows. And the crew that um helped set up and built and reset our obstacles um had worked with that crow with um with that particular show, if you know which one that I'm talking about. And I heard the same exact stories from them in regards to that show as well. Um yeah, that's the entertainment industry.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:46

That doesn't, yeah, not surprisingly. Doesn't surprise me one bit, you guys. Um in fact, it's something that I expect, you know. Um, yeah, there's uh there's there's a lot of these reality shows out there, and they're all similar. There is as far as what goes on behind the scenes and how they control the outcomes that they want. Uh because you know the show is thinking further down the road, you know, the producers and all these things. So uh there's a there's a lot of things out there that get steered within the games, within each competition, within certain ways to to lead certain people down the path that they wanted to go down. Um so you were on season one of that show, correct? Two season two, okay. Is it still is it still going right now, or do they uh end that?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:32

So we were told then, and it was funny, that was really kind of when I started investing a little in my social media, and as you know, I don't invest very much in it anymore at all. Yeah, um so they they hammered home the point of you've got to develop your social media because we have to be a success this season, otherwise um the big man in charge, DJ, is not gonna get a season three. Yeah, um you gotta ask yourself like why does that guy need a season three of Titan Games? Why did he need a season two of Titan Games? Um this is a multi-bazillionaire, you know, with his blue-roofed house in Maui or in Hawaii, wherever he's at. And you're going, yeah, why does he care this much about, you know, bringing up? And that was the other thing, too. The weird thing for my season is that um, you know, if you're not, I was not into fitness. I didn't know people in the industry, didn't know athletes in the industry. Um a lot of our competitors were full-time athletes. That they this was not mom and pop from back home. This wasn't Jessica from from the little farm. It was these were full-time competitive athletes in the prime of their career, which I found wildly interesting. Um, they do no drug testing if anybody has that question.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:45

Uh so yeah, steroids are gonna get you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:49

Um, yeah, it it is what you think it is. Yep, absolutely. And and it does. It just it reaffirms. I was glad to go through that, um, as absolutely embarrassing as it was, um, because it just reaffirms that, you know, watching it, I'll I'll confess to I my family forced me to watch like the my three seconds of fame um very reluctantly. I didn't watch the rest of the season. I knew what was happening. We still had our text, you know, among our castmates. So I knew everything that was going on. Um, and I didn't watch it just because it was like, I know, I know what's happening. Yeah. It was a disappointing experience. But when I watched the little bit that I watched, and I've seen different clips, you even for me, I'm sitting back asking the question, like, am I are we remembering this right? And had my family not been there and seen some of the stuff that happened on the competition floor that was in between takes and stuff. Um man, they're really good at what they do. They are really good at um weaving things together and creating this alternative version of reality, so much so that I was there, I was part of it, I knew what happened, but I'm asking those questions as I'm watching it on the TV because they're that good, you guys.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:12

That is wild. Yeah. You know, I I know what it goes into to producing stuff like this right here. You know, I can edit a little bit of what I want to do and what I want to show and and all that, but there's no team behind me. I'm not working with millions worth of equipment. You know, I have just basic things here. Um, I've been in uh in in high school back in the day in uh radio and TV show, and we were editing things and doing all that stuff, but there's you know, they have the top-of-the-line stuff that you can work and they work that magic, yeah, and they do it live right in front of you. Uh, and a lot of people just don't see it. Um, for for those of you guys listening on audio, you might want to go back and watch this on Rumble or YouTube or uh or somewhere, uh, just just to you know, as she was talking there, just just to kind of watch the screen and what was going on. Um, Outcast, did you know that Jess is a national poultry judge? Did you know that? No champion. Champion, she's a champion, a national poultry champion judge. Awesome. I have chickens, and uh you know, I'm sure none of mine are gonna be in any type of competition. Uh, but uh tell us about that before we get in our next uh little uh stunt here.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:24

Oh, that's funny. So that that probably actually does. Um it might actually um influence the our next little segment and and what we choose to talk about. Um I was in FFA in high school, uh did all the competitions, did meets, did poultry, did personal skills development. Um, I was a state wildlife management champion. And so when I went to college, I joined the poultry judging team. And yeah, we we had a we have competitions that we used to do, and I was a national champion and uh I I worked my way through college, um, but I would subsidize my income because of that. Uh, I was invited to judge stock shows. So I would go and I would get paid to judge stock shows. And those that I I wasn't judging, I'd actually have families reach out and I would pick their um, I don't know how it is in Michigan and Texas. We show broilers, which are meat chickens, and pens of three. And so I would go out and I would select their their turkeys or their pens of three. Um, and they would pay me for that. So yeah, it was a lot of fun. Uh uh embarrassingly excellent at uh judging poultry, way better than kicking logs, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:39

That's awesome. Jesse, if if if if Jess ever comes over to your place, don't tell your chickens because they're gonna be self-conscious because uh they're gonna think she's judging them.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:49

Oh, they'll be strutting around here all fancy and all that stuff. Yeah, I know what you mean. It's crazy. Yeah, I'll cast he's been over here.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:55

They're beautiful.

unknown 1:23:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:57

No, backyard chickens are different. It's it's so much funner to be a backyard poultry person than a meat industry person. Definitely, definitely a better life.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:06

I've raised uh meat birds, and and uh it's it's a completely different bird and all that. But I didn't know there was a judging for meat birds. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:13

Uh, because usually yeah, meatbirds, that was the whole thing. So it's like the meat birds, it's you have you judge eggs, you judge interior egg quality, exterior egg quality, you judge, you judge you judge the different breeds to see if they meet standards, you judge uh just anything chicken you judge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:31

Ah, I like it. I like it. Yeah. Um, music lover, she's saying, You're not gonna show, uh, you're not gonna show until you're coop, Jesse. Yeah, I have before. Maybe I should do that again because I be I keep working on our on our new chicken coop, and uh it's it's a good time. So I'll show more of that when the weather's a little bit better. Uh they're in there right now, it's cold, and uh, you know, so they they stay huddled up in their little in the coop walking around. It's nice and cozy in there, so they enjoy that. But um uh Jess, where do you think this would lead to, lead us to this little uh talk about the uh being a national poultry judge champion?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:06

Would it go well? We're talking about college, and uh, you know, Outcast had brought up a member at the door, which reminded me of the last name. We had the conversation, uh, shared a last name with someone that took a lot of interest in my life. And uh I have always had questions about that, about different things in my life and um opportunities or people who took interest. And it I I definitely have wondered if it's related to the gate program.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:37

Okay, do you bring up that name uh that you you guys were talking about before and give us a little background into that?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:45

Well, Jess was telling us about this. Uh I think it was a it was a principal or a counselor, but who regardless, we'll we'll get into the details of that. But this person's last name was Krieger. And what uh struck me about it was um Robbie Krieger of the Doors, the legendary uh band from the 60s, The Doors. Turns out that pretty much every single member, not just Jim Morrison, the singer, but every member of that band had parents that were in government. Yeah. And and the the aspersion is that the doors were a government psyop uh to shape culture and other things. And Jim Morrison, of course, died at uh the magic age of 27, which there's the 27 club of all these celebrities that uh died, mama casts. Uh there's countless uh Jim uh Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Hendrix. I mean, the the list goes on. Jim Morrison was one of them too. But Robbie Krieger, uh Krieger is the last name. Now we we I thought maybe is there a connection there? Uh Jess, I think you said it's spelled slightly different, maybe not the same family line, but regardless, there's there's a Krieger in your story. Uh is this a segue? Is this where you want to go with this?

SPEAKER_09 1:26:49

Yeah, what I'd like Yeah, he comes later. Yeah, what I want to do is is is read this because this is part of the uh the intro that I wrote uh for the for the show. And you know, I I I started talking uh uh talking off when when introducing you, Jess, uh talking about the gate, you know, the gifted and talented uh education program. Um, and there's some some chatters who will we'll get into their stuff too here in a bit. We'll add it to your story. But it continues and says one woman who gained attention on social media for her posts about the topic shared images of her old workbooks showing unexpected activities such as code breaking and learning Russian. These unusual exercises have fueled theories thinking or linking the Gate program to a classified CIA initiative called Gateway. Uh, go check out the Gateway uh project, you guys. That's the thing that I played right in the beginning of the show, uh, which reportedly explored the boundaries of human consciousness through uh methods like sound patterns and meditation. Uh declassified CIA document describes quote nonverbal audio patterns concealed with natural sounds like waves and wind. Interestingly, some of the former GATE students recall being exposed to similar audio recordings during their time. In the program, one participant shared memories of wearing large headphones and listening to recordings facilitated by people unaffiliated with the school. Uh, it goes deep, and I remember some of the stuff growing up too. Um, I don't believe I was ever part of the gate program, but I do remember some of that equipment, and I remember specifically watching uh some of these old uh CIA uh documentary films. Uh I don't know what else you would call them back then. They weren't reals, there was no social media back then, but uh and seeing clips of of them working on people and doing stuff to people, and you know it all leads to mind control, you know, MK Ultra and the Mockingbird and all those other programs. But Jess, uh, you were somehow you were into this stuff. Uh they they got you in there. Uh why don't you bring us all around and introduce us to that story?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:50

Um they got me in there. Um, so I think it was at the end of I I want to say second grade. Um my school was evidently um the pioneer school for the gate program in the state of Texas. And um I'll call him Mr. W. Um I I loved him as a teacher. Um I I do have questions. Um, definitely don't want to besmirch anything that he's done or his accomplishments, but Mr. W came to our school and told us that we were gonna be uh the pioneer program for the state of Texas and that we were gonna be the first um gate program school. We were his class, he called it challenge, and um he asked the teachers to and counselors um to select students that they thought um should be in this program. They compile they compiled um scores that we had on other standardized tests. They took referrals from teachers, counselors, principals. Um they got a group of us together, um, tested us, and it was an IQ test. I'm trying to remember what it's called. Um goodness. I'll I'll come up with it later. But it was a specific type of IQ test, lots of um pattern recognition, spatial stuff. Anyway, at the end of the day, um after that testing, there were um, I believe six of us that had qualified according to our ranking, IQ, whatever that was. And so we began that program. Um we were told at the time, I do remember this very clearly, that we would be in the program for our entire educational career, that we would specifically meet as a class together with Mr. W during our elementary school years. Um, then when we got into junior high, we would be part of the gifted English class and the um honors history class. And he would remain our teacher in both of those classes. Um the difference there is that the English class was open to other um, you know, there were other high-achieving kids that weren't necessarily in the challenge class, but they were capable of doing, you know, uh extra work and more difficult work. So they were in the honors English class. And um he also I have a very strong memory of him telling us that, you know, he would be with us our whole careers and that we would be um GT kids forever and that this would follow us not just through elementary and junior high, that it would follow us through high school and beyond. Um, and I think that was my personal experience. Um definitely uh I don't remember being taught Russian. Um, so we were we were taken out of our classrooms, and it's interesting. I found out that my mother knew absolutely none of this, which is kind of funny. Uh, we were taken out of our classrooms um once or twice a week, and we met for most of the class period day with Mr. W. And um, you know, all the things that you've seen on the internet, I think um vast majority, yes, we experienced. I we did the Zenter cards, um, we did the ESP testing, which back then that was cool. You know, that was in the Ghostbusters movie. We thought that was pretty awesome. And it was it was a fun game, you know. I had a a girl that I was always um like trying to beat and outdo. And I guess she was my op. And I I remember doing those cards, and um we kept progressing, and it was just and finally it was just she and I. And so we would go back and forth, and he'd have me do the zenner cards and guess, and then he'd have her, and ultimately I won the game, and then I remember I was so bored with it, I just intentionally flopped, so I wouldn't have to keep going with those cards because it was boring. And really, my objective at that point was to beat her. But we did the Zenner cards, um, we did the uh Rorschach's the, you know, the ink lot um testing cards. Yep. Um, we did a lot of guided where we'd have to, you know, close our eyes and you know imagine, which is not inherently bad. Um, but I feel like it was a little more guided. Um lots of code breaking. Um, we started every class with these Donald J. Subel two-minute mysteries, if that means anything to anybody, which I actually really loved. Um, there was a lot of there were positives. There were definitely positives. Um there was definit there was also certainly a focus on um the esoteric. So we had to do a lot of research projects and a lot of reading. And um most of our projects had to do with um esoteric things. Um, you know, the ethereal realm, um Machu Picchu, the lines of Nazca, the Great Pyramid, Stonehenge, um, Bigfoot, things like that. And even then, as a kid, I can tell you that I didn't feel good about all the things that I was taught. Um, although I don't think that my parents taught me everything correctly, I did detect very often that my teacher would try to reroute my thinking to align with what he wanted me to think. So there was absolutely some indoctrination for lack of a better word, um, trying to get us to accept a different type of worldview. Um, the Madeline Lingle books, Wrinkle and Time, Wind in the Door, they were kind of pinnacle for that program. Um, and you know, those are, I think on the surface, I believe she was an Episcopalian, um, a member of the Episcopalian church. And so she was a professing Christian, but and on the surface, you know, the message with those books is kind of positive, which is um, you know, there's like this overarching, like what I would kind of um relate to, like maybe the the AI horde and that they want to attach us to eventually. Um, so there's this thing called it, and and everyone lost their humanity because they were just attached to it and they were all these mindless hordes and they just followed. And so the the message there is kind of good, but it's kind of like Star Wars in that uh it has a very Gnostic twist. So, you know, you're there's this like Christ consciousness without talking about the Christ consciousness, which is you don't really need a redeemer, you don't know need anybody to pay for your sins. You just need to ascend to your higher self, to your higher state. And you don't really need Jesus, he's just kind of an idea. And I'm I'm putting words into those books, but that is definitely the feeling that you get um from the Madeline Lincoln books, in my opinion. And they were pretty cornerstone to our education. Um, and so much, in fact, that um I I was a bit of a a turkey back then, and I didn't like being told what to do. I didn't like someone trying to manipulate, you know, what my worldview was or what I thought. And so I actually started skipping that class. Um, I wouldn't read some of the books. Um, I was just a little contrarian. I didn't like being force-fed certain stuff. Um never got in trouble for that, which is interesting. Um but had the same experience with the pink drink that a lot of people talk about. What I thought it was is back in the day they would have us bite down on those little pink tablets and it would supposedly color your teeth and show where you had black. Yeah, and so we were we were told that the pink drink was that's what that was. It was just let's let's expose your your failures in in teeth brushing for everyone. And so that's what we thought it was. We did the frequency tests. I do have very distinct memories of um, you know, we we had lots of different separate buildings at that time. I remember walking where the principal's office used to be, and we were in one building, and I had to walk down to the admin principal office slash library, and I had to go take my test in this weird room, and the rest of the school didn't seem to have to. Um, so all those things absolutely happened. Um, the positives in it uh definitely taught to critical think, to ask questions. Um, but it was a short course in the esoteric. There was no doubt about that.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:23

You know, okay, yes, I see you're chomping at the bit too. Go ahead and bring up what you're you're thinking of right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:30

Well, I'm just I'm uh one of the very first things that you said, Jess, was that they um he literally said, We'll always have a connection for the rest of your life, or something to that effect. Did he literally say that?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:42

Literally said that, yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:45

And it was an encouragement. It was kind of like, don't worry, you know, Mr. W will always be here and you'll always be the smart kids, you know. We're gonna follow you through and watch you through the rest of your life. I mean, that was the implication, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:57

So what's what is the what's the theory about the pink drink? What what what's what was in the pink drink?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:03

I don't have one. I I I truly don't know. We didn't swallow it, we didn't drink it. Um, I I think I've seen other people say that they drank the pink drink. I I don't remember that. I don't remember it tasting like peptobismol or anything like that. Um, what I remember is swishing with it. Um that would sometimes be before, you know, like I mentioned, the the guided close your eyes and imagine if you're here and um I I think it was so I don't know it had to do something with fluoride.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:33

I remember um uh the fluoride and the pineal gland and uh the calcification and all that stuff, but I I think it had something to do with being fluoride. If if if anybody out there remembers, uh just chime it in here in the chats. But um, that's what I kind of remember because I remember also they were in our school, but I was never picked for any of this stuff, right? I was I do remember having the headphones on, going through those tests, uh having the pink stuff around. I remember that. Um the cards, I remember the those cards and all that, but I don't remember, and and I want to ask you a little bit more about that, Jess, is the you you you talk about the esoteric, and you were talking about um you know the the Machu Picchu and and you know uh the Bigfoot and all these other things. I wonder if they were leaning towards looking glass stuff, if anybody knows what that is. Um, but Jess, if you want to explain us to a little bit more about the esoteric kind of stuff that they were leading you into.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:31

Yeah, well, that was just our that was always the focus. And and I enjoyed it. Um I I was that kid that ordered, you remember the Time Life book series and it had the you know, the the Great Pyramid and the all-seeing eye. I mean, that was that was so wildly interesting for me. Now I can see how God has used that interest in to, you know, making this stuff that that we've talked about, you know, uh other topics of conversation, you know, once you've been exposed to that, it doesn't seem so weird anymore. And if you have that Christian background to give you the proper perception and discernment when it comes to understanding the realities of some of those esoteric things, but not giving your life over to those esoteric things, I think that God can use that for good. And I think that he did. Um, do I think that was the goal for those people? No, I think that the goal for those people was to um, again, to go back with the Gnostics. What is Gnosticism? Gnosticism is a preoccupation with knowing the secret things, knowing the mysteries. And so you start seeding that in children early. Not only, I firmly believe, you know, we did the beep tests, you know, raise your hand. Um, I do think that they were looking for psychic abilities. I remember them trying to tell us for fun to focus and try to turn off lights and on, you know, yeah, turn light switches off and on with our minds, and all that was just fun. It was fun in games at the time when you're a kid. That was a heck of a lot better than sitting in, you know, Mrs. Frank's math class. But um they were they were searching for something. They were searching for intelligence, they were searching for um, you know, these, like you're saying, um, you know, MK skill sets is what they I know that. Why else are we pulling out zenner cards and having kids try to make psychic connections? Why are we dream journaling? Why are we discussing whether or not your dreams have ever come true? And and if you feel like, you know, that that's a window into something. Why are we reading these um books with a with a definite, I don't care what anybody says, with a definite Gnostic um theme to them. And I do believe that was priming and prepping you to become uh to romanticize, to romanticize the occult is how I would put it. And I do absolutely do believe that.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:50

I do too. Go ahead, Alcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:53

I just, you know, it's funny because I've had this links to a conversation I was having this weekend and another one today. But what people don't realize when they're searching up that that Gnostic view is that um it's essentially everything that the fallen angels taught to their Nephilim children that they use to subjugate humanity. Right? It's worshiping the creation and not the creator, and it's viewing the creator as an oppressor and the devil as a liberator, essentially. And it's amazing how our government is fascinated with this. And I know the reason why. I mean, the devil cannot sit on a throne. Um, so he has to sit on the on human thrones through proxies, and that's why everybody that's in of any position of power or influence, and then I don't just mean governments, I'm talking about celebrities and musicians and everybody else, they end up in these uh this kind of uh world where they're uh trying to convince everybody of this Gnostic viewpoint. It's it's just it's nonstop, it just keeps cycling on and on and on it goes, and it's nothing new under the sun. And even if you look at uh Jewish mysticism and Kabbalah, it's the same thing. And it's and it's in defiance to uh like you said, I love how you said that, Jess. It's beautiful, beautifully. It's trying to negate the concept that you're a sinner and you need a savior. That's what it comes down to. Yeah. They want to be everybody wants to f and and they want to use these uh secret sciences for gain. Well, the funny thing is is that uh the Bible says, I'm paraphrasing here and I can't quote the scripture exactly, but you know, to to to gain the world and to lose your fa your your salvation is the worst thing possible. But these people are focused on controlling this world. That their their focus is here, not on not on the unseen, it's on the scene. And I think that they are getting favor from these lesser gods, as Michael Heiser might explain them in the Divine Council, that the ones that went wayward and ran away from, you know, that rebelled against God in the rebellion, and they've just been romancing people with this concept the whole time. And it's ironic that, you know, not or not ironic, it just it fits right in that they're grabbing kids that they think have uh exceptional capabilities or possibilities, and then they're trying to pull them into this thinking essentially. It's a gnostic like the Gnostic view just keeps coming up over and over again. It's the great, it's a great deception from the salvation story.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:13

It's a grooming and it um, you know, we felt special. And I don't think there's anything wrong with uh again, I mean, going back to the homeschool thing, obviously recognizing certain talents or certain giftings or teaching kids in a different way. So if they decided that we would be more suited for this different style of learning, um, that's understandable, but that's not entirely what it was about. It was, it was a grooming program. Um, again, to romanticize, to I think to romanticize the occult. I mean, some good came out of it. There definitely critical thinking skills, logic, um, stuff that I still have a passion for today. But there was no doubt that they wanted to manipulate your thought process in order to get you to accept all this stuff. And what's interesting is back then, I don't know exactly, I've I've heard, you know, some of your church backgrounds and things. Um, so I was raised Church of Christ. And I can tell you, Church of Christ in the 80s, um, lovely people mean zero disrespect. Um, there were no Nephilim in the Bible. You know, there there is nothing um remotely uh mystical, there is nothing supernatural. Everything the only supernatural thing, you know, when I when I went to the Church of Christ was, you know, Jesus um being resurrected from the dead. That was literally, in their viewpoint, the only supernatural. We didn't talk about angels or demons or the existence of the the lower the lower case g gods, the Elohim. Those things are absolutely real, they're a part of our history. Um, but we throw the baby out with the bathwater in Christianity, and then your worldview doesn't make sense. Then you can't understand the concept of principalities, you can't understand, you you're very limited. You can see what politics are, but it like the global SA rings. Um none of these things make sense because they're just these really abstract pieces, and you have no idea how to put them together without that supernatural worldview that was so lacking back then. So you take us as kids and you're putting what movies are we watching back then? So they're they're they're filling our heads with ESP cards and hopes of switching off lights with your mind. And we're watching what? We're watching um ET, we're watching um with Wilfrid Brimley Back to the Future. Rare's lost arts.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:38

Wolf Brimley. No, Wilford Brimley, that's uh cocoon.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:42

Cocoon, yes. And so you're watching all these things that almost the same thing that the Marble do uh movies do to this generation, right? That are in a very sexy way introducing these concepts of these demigods and these little gods, and they're coming here to help you. It's it's it's the bad, it's the bad OG Yahweh God. He's he's your enemy, he's the one that wants to wipe you out, he's the one that's against you. He wanted to keep all the secrets of of mankind, you know, of uh prosperity and growth away from mankind because he wanted to punish you and he didn't want to see you flourish. And that's just not the case, but that that was their agenda. So if if they can't find what they're looking for to enter into these government programs and um people that they can groom along the way to be influencers in the world, at a minimum, they're changing your thought process and your um how you see the world.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:39

You know, absolutely yeah. The uh did you have more to say, OK, so you're good.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:45

I I I there's so much I can say. Every every time she starts talking, I start my brain starts sparking. But you know, it's I think this has been going on, you know, since the beginning of time. And just as an example of that, is I I was uh several months ago, I was talking about how I saw the new Frankenstein movie. And I believe that what they what they're trying to illustrate in that is that Victor Frankenstein is the archetype of the uh of a of an uncaring God who creates but yet then abandons his creation. And that's humanity, and and that's a Gnostic viewpoint also. And uh what's interesting is if you look at the history of the book itself, which I've read the book too, it is beautifully written. It's like every word is poetry. But Mary Shelley was born into families of privilege, and so is Byron, uh Lord Byron and Percy Shelley. They were all uh privileged kids from bloodline families, and they were experimenting with, I believe, uh who knows, uh drugs of some sort, maybe um what's I'm trying to think, uh absinthe and stuff like that. And they were I think that the whole thing was almost like a psyop back then. The book was in inclined to send that message. It was celebrated as this amazing masterpiece from from the from the mind of a young woman. And it's so surprising that she could come up with this this gory tale, but laced in this uh this story that's back written back in the I don't I don't know when it came out in the 1800s, we've got um the same Gnostic tail being pushed on society, right? And then they re- then they resurrect that story. They they do Frankenstein the movie over and over and over and over again, keeping us on a loop, driving that that home. It's just amazing to me. It's like it's everywhere. And the fact that they were even kind of it was seeped into this gate program, and if even in a subtle and if not subtle way, it's just it's proof that we are spiritual beings having a human experience sent here on a mission from God with purpose. And they want us the devil who controls this realm wants us to not realize that. Wants us to keep us off off the path of serving a loving God that will that gives us salvation through his son. They don't want us to know that part. They want us to look and say, We're we're little gods and we're, you know, you know, we're you know, like you said, Christ consciousness and all this stuff, but but negating the Christ. Salvation part. Yeah. I'm so glad you brought that up. Sorry, I'm I'm all over the place, you guys. I just when Jess talks, she just makes my sparks go in my brain.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:07

No, that's absolutely right.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:09

You know, uh while you were talking about that stuff, it reminds me, and it's probably reminds people out there in the audience too. Uh, if it sounds familiar to Stranger Things, there's a lot of stuff in Stranger Things that also tie into all this stuff. Now, the gate program, uh, if you if you want to take a long-distance, you know, worldview of what it is, also they're looking for. When I say they, I'm talking about these the deep state type of people, the deep state that are above governments, that are behind uh, you know, uh these sciences, quote unquote, these um research things. Okay. Uh, what they're looking for is young, gifted, obviously talented minds that they want to be able to capture. Okay, and if they can capture those and and groom them along, as you were saying, Jess, from pretty much cradle until they become adults. Okay, they and they do that by setting up these tests. They get the the the smartest ones of of you know this this elementary school. Uh, then they'll they'll they'll follow them along, they'll push them uh to give them more tests while they're in junior high, high school, whatever it is. Then they do the same thing into college. Okay, they're they're always following the same people, the cream of the crop. It's like they are uh as as as the kids are getting older, some just are are no longer suitable for it, but the ones that are, they keep on grooming them into the next level, to the next level. By the time they get to the end, their whole group of these kids that they've been studying is dwindled down to a very little bit. And those are the people that get brought into their programs, those are the new deep state agents that are out there running stuff on us now. Okay, they've had these kids from when they were young all the way until they're adults now, and they're just repeating the process on new kids now. They call it something different. It's not called the gate program, even though there's still gifted, talented stuff going on, they're looking for these kids. But when these kids fall away and fall off, well, they just might go back to being regular kids in their school or whatever, or they might get put in the IB classes or or whatever it is. But the ones who stick around and the ones who are state interested, and the ones who are the smart, quote unquote, the most mind, uh, you know, manipulation of the mind type people, they're the ones that end up being these deep state agents that uh we're always running around about sounding like conspiracy theorists. Uh, those are the ones that are pulling strings behind the scenes that people don't really know about. They're the ones that are controlling what culture is doing, controlling what we're seeing on TV, uh, you know, the this what gets produced, what uh is allowed to get out there. You know, this this brings me up to this uh the gateway program. You know, this is uh Robert Monroe and his stuff back in the 1950s, uh, you know, the Monroe Institute. If you guys know anything about that, you should go check it out. I did put a link all over in the the um uh in these chat rooms and in our Discord, if if you wouldn't mind putting that in the proper place for me, Ms. Uh Music Lover. Um, but that's the CIA stuff. That was all released back in 2003, you know, about the gateway program and what Robert Monroe was doing. I mean, if you look at uh take uh she called her daddy or father on Stranger Things, that's he was the head of uh of what was going on. This Robert Monroe is he's part of life now, you know. So, you know, it's so they go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:36

They absolutely do do that. Um, I you know, I cannot verify what I think I can I can tell you what I experienced. Um I I do believe that it carried on throughout my life. Um as a student, uh, you know, I I was National Honor Society honors classes, got good grades, but I was also the kid that I didn't study. Uh I didn't care. I walked in there and uh, you know, I would irritate the, you know, the cream of the crop, you know, the salutatorian, valedictorian types, because I was the kid that walked in and they'd been studying for one exam for like two weeks and they're all having a panic attack and sweating, and I didn't study at all. And yeah, they got a 98, but I got a 94 just because I could read the questions. I knew what they were asking for. I didn't even have to know the information. Um, but so I wasn't, I I was a good student. I was, you know, high-ranking in my class, but I wasn't like top of my class. Um, had an extremely excellent SAT score. But, you know, I was telling you before that I did get into AM. Uh, that is the only school I wanted to go to. That's the only school I I applied to. I was told the odds of me getting in were next to none. I was not a legacy candidate. I didn't have, you know, the people backing me. Um, I did have a really good SAT score. So that could definitely uh explain it. But within, I think, a week and a half, I got an acceptance letter. Wow. Um, I didn't think about it at the time. As you know, Texas AM University in Texas is, I think, one of like six, what do they call them, senior military institutions in the country? There you go. So a lot of our presidents have been former three-letter agency people.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:13

I don't want to say the wrong thing and get and get the podcast flag, but you know what I'm talking about. Yep. Um, and so there's there's a strong tie there. And that's not anything that I ever thought about as a 17-year-old girl going to college, but that's that's what I've come to realize and understand. Um, so when I went, um my department, the department head was also the dean of he was the dean of the College of Agriculture and Life Science and the Vice Dean, so second in command under one of those three-letter guys, um immediately took an interest in in me. And I don't mean that in a sexual way, I don't mean that in an inappropriate way, um, never disrespectful, honestly had very few face-to-face conversations, but he was always checking in with my advisors, my teachers. How's Jessica doing? And and again, to reiterate, I was smart and I was capable, but I wasn't the kid that you're following up in because she's getting a hundred on every test. You know, I was the one that was showing up just on test day and taking the test and uh to be to be frank, doing the minimum to get by. I was working through school. Um, I worked in an office right next door to him. And his secretary was someone that I worked with. And so she was always asking me questions. He was always keeping tabs on me through her. I never understood his preoccupation with what I was doing. Um just didn't make any sense to me, you know. Um nice guy. I I appreciated him caring. He he did a number of things to help me out, which was interesting. Um, but where it got strange for me is that he from the get-go encouraged me to go to Washington, DC and work at the Capitol. And he told me over and over for the better part of four years, I want you to go to D.C., Jessica, I want you to go to D.C. The secretary would talk to me, Jessica. You know, Dr. Dr. C wants you to go to Washington, D.C., he wants you to fill out this application. I had zero interest. You know, we're coming off of Monica Lewinsky, and I had zero interest to be connected to that. Um, but he kept, he, he kept pushing. I mean, it was it was nonstop. And he, well, if you're not interested in being an intern, then I'll set you up at this congress congressman's office. You can go to work for him. I can put you, I can make you uh a publicist, I can, I can put you on the hill, you name it, it's yours, whatever. And this is so interesting to me because again, I'm not a I'm I'm a good student and I was very involved in some, you know, different activities, but they're not any that I thought would ring this guy's bell. You know, why, why? And I just thought, okay, you know, um whatever. He he sees something that he likes. I did a lot of public speaking. Maybe he thought I had a characteristic that he liked. But I mean, he was just adamant. He pushed and he pushed and he pushed. And I remember um toward the end of my collegiate career, and I had met who was, you know, my husband now, and you know, madly in love with him. And he pulled me. I was very on the side in the office one day and you know, like, look, you have to do this. I'm I'm gonna make you do this. You've got to go to DC. And um, you know, my boyfriend who's now my husband was like, Yeah, you know, you should go, you should do it. And I I remember I told him, you know, and I remember it to this day, if I go there, I'm gonna sell my soul. I I I cannot be in the middle of that. I I I knew I had the skill set, I knew I had, you know, oratorial skills, I knew if I was put in that position, I would probably make some very bad decisions. And I absolutely refused to go. Well, when I refused to go do any of that, um the George H.W. Bush Presidential Library was built on campus, and there was the first iteration of the George H. W. Bush Leadership Leadership School. Very first semester. It's a big deal. Everybody in the university is applying, everybody wants in. This is like this extremely lucrative thing, and especially if you're in the very first, like you are it. And I had zero desire. I was in love, I was gonna go off, I was gonna get married, I was gonna have babies, I was good, did not want to do that. And this particular um, you know, Dr. C was adamant that I get in here. He he, in fact, pulled strings and I kept refusing to join this school. And, you know, I even told him, look, it doesn't fit into my um my degree plan. I'm trying to graduate and get out of here. I don't have any room for it. It doesn't count for X, Y, and Z. And he said, Don't worry, I I'm in control of the degree plans. I decide who graduates, I got you covered. Uh, he pulled strings. He actually enrolled me in that school, and I had to drop out. I had to pull out and say, I I'm not going. Um, and and again, he's not confrontational. We really did not have a personal rapport. Um, but he was always checking in on me, always following up and trying to push me into these strange Washington, D.C. Well, what I found out later um is that he was a high-ranking member of the military and was actually involved in the military while I was there. He his career was ongoing. Um, I had absolutely absolutely no clue about that. And when I set out to research what his career was in, unlike most military careers, uh, I found absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_09 2:00:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:57

And see even in his obituary. These these gonna say that the the creepy thing is when I tried to make some phone calls, um, I called some um governmental helplines, VA, things like that. And I called one of the institutions in his home state that I suspect that he served at, but I cannot confirm. And when I started asking, when I called, I said, look, I'm working on a genealogy project project, and I'd like some information on, you know, Dr. C. Can you help me out? And they said, Oh, absolutely, asked me for information. All I had was his birthday from his obituary, and they said, Oh, yeah, that ought to be enough. And, you know, the first lady I got pulled it up and she's like, Oh, yeah, this will be fine. I can send you, you know, you're just interested in like where he served and you know what his rankings were and all that stuff. And I was like, Yeah, just basic information. So she gets there and she's click, click, click, click, click, and then she goes, Oh, um, uh, I'm I can't help you anymore.

unknown 2:02:03

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:04

Um, but I think I can transfer you. So she transfers me, and the person on the other end picks up, and it sounds like to me that it's uh someone with a very strong Middle Eastern accent. I I think at first kind of sounds like they're in like a hookah lounge on a cell phone. It did not sound like she's transferred me to someone else at the college. It was very strange. Background noises and and this person with a very strong accent answers. And my first thought was Arabic. And then as he spoke, there was like a weird um French kind of um that he was talking like this, and you know, like like kind of a French kind of leaning um, and I'm not a linguistics expert. Obviously, I don't do good impressions either. But I I didn't say anything. And so he said, Can I help you? And um I said, um, and he said, Ma'am, are you there? Do you still need my help? And I'm hearing all this background noise, and it is so weird because I'm on this very clear university call and then I'm talking to the guy in the hookah lounge, right? And um I said, Yeah, I said, I I'm I don't know if I was transferred to the right place, sir. I was looking on inform looking for some information, but I think I've got a wrong number. Oh no, you were looking on some information about someone's military career, correct? And I said, uh yes, yes, I was. Okay, well, all you need to do is tell me your name and give me your email address, and I should be able to pull that information up. And I said, Okay, um, so I'm talking to the right people. I should have hung up. But I carried on with the phone call, and he's does he basically does the same thing. What information do you have, ma'am? Okay, I'm pulling this up. I should be able to help you, no problem. I am the right place for you to be. And um, I'm waiting, and he's typing, and then he goes, Oh, well, I'm sorry to tell you I cannot help you, ma'am. And I said, Okay.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:08

Um, he said, but I know again. So he transferred me, and immediately the person that picked on the other line the other line when he transferred me um began to speak, and it was absolutely that uh a dialect um from that eye country. That's what I'm talking about. Yep, yep. And very distinct, absolutely knew it was. I've had um Levantine people, I've had friends, uh, worked with an Israeli dentist. I'm very familiar, and I am talking to a person from that country who also sounds like they're in a hookah lounge. And I'm terrified at this point. And he's asking my name, he's asking, you know, what I need to know. And I was like, Oh, I think I'm talking to the wrong person. No, I can help you. Um, I I can give you all the information that you need. You want you want military information and who it is. We go through the same thing, we get to the same point, and he says, Oh, I can no longer help you. Wow. And then he essentially just hangs up the phone. Well, what I realized is I was listening to um, oh, there's a guy in the news. Um part of all the inner workings of the world, Shlomo, what's his last name? Do you guys know who I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_09 2:05:25

Yes, yep. Um I only know him. Shlomo right now. Um we're not gonna remember it. I know we're not gonna remember right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:39

I I can't come up with his last name, but I saw I heard him speaking about two days later, and how he spoke aligned perfectly with the first person that I talked to, the first foreign accent. So I feel like that one was also linked. So I have two people, very strong, at a minimum, foreign accents that are representing themselves to work with the US government and asking my information, digging into why I'm digging into Dr. C, and then suddenly coming to a place where they can no longer give me information, which kind of scared the Dickens out of me a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:20

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah, that's it's that's heavy. That's wow. Well, I mean, there's there's two ways to look at it. I mean, I mean, yes, it's it's crazy because there he was he was obviously connected, and like music lover says here, you know, uh, you know, black ops, no, no bueno, that's no good, right? Um, but the other part of this too is that's who's in our school system, posing as people who care, right? That that's the huge red flag about this. That that you know, we already are have our doubts as we started the program about you know schools and what effect it has on children. Now add this at the end of the program to that same the beginning of the conversation. It's like it's mind-blowing. Um, I mean, I'm I don't know if I'm getting ahead of your story, Jess, but uh you mentioned that that there's been a couple of strange situations where you felt like you were almost abducted.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:13

Yeah, and and it's it's weird. I I just inadvertently inadvertently read something um about Carlsbad Cavern the other day, and that's gate people have weird connections to that place. Um I didn't go until I was an adult. I don't remember anything, I don't remember even researching that or having you know a lot of knowledge of it as a kid. Um, yeah, I have had several times where what I would call them uh attempted kidnappings out in public. Um the most, I guess, the scariest, wildest one um was at Carl's Bad Caverns. Um that is actually a pretty long story, but bottom line, um there were four people. There was a white van came after me in the parking lot, um, went inside, followed us all through the caves. It was absolutely insane. And I was reluctant to report it at first because so I was with all my family, uh, with my boys. My daughter was not with us, but you know, with with the husband and the kid, the the boys. And about two weeks before that, we had had someone come and kind of attack us at an IHOP. So we go in to eat after a kayaking day, and someone uh walks up to our table and tells me that he wants to date me. He's he's staring at me, will not stop. It was like there was nothing, it was a really scary stare. Nothing else in the restaurant tells me that he wants to take me out on a date and that he needs me to come with him right now. And, you know, my husband and my boys are sitting there like, this cannot possibly be happening. Now, mind you, I'm I'm I'm not beautiful at all. And I'm covered in mud and grimy and have a visor on, and it was so strange. And these type of things, I'll tell you, have happened to me so many times in life. But this one, everyone was there for it. And um, it scared them a lot. And so this guy does this, and I was like, sir, I'm with my family. Uh, this is my husband, these are my children. Leave us alone, sit down and go away. And some of the wait staff came, made him go back to his table. The entire time we were eating, um, he's yelling things at me, saying, I want to date you, I want to date you, I want to take you home. We can't enjoy our meal. So we are, you know, getting up and we're gonna leave early. And I had been keeping an eye on him in the corner of my eye, and I knew that this person, the moment we got up, was gonna follow us out the door. Absolutely knew it. Been through it before, it was gonna follow us out the door. And so uh we're walking, and I intentionally am the last person out, and as soon as we headed for the door, this man jumps up and nearly runs across the restaurant to us. And I turn around, and by this time, the husband and the boys are at the door, and I turn around and I am a, you know, I'm licensed to carry a weapon. I had my hand on my weapon, I lifted it up enough to where he can see it, and I said, Sir, I am armed. You are not going anywhere. You will sit back down at your table, you will not come anywhere near my family, you will not get up, you will not move, you will not leave this building until we are out of this parking lot. Do you understand? And he starts yelling, I want to date you, I'm gonna date you. It was very strange. At this point, weight staff starts intervening and they kind of block this guy and give us just enough time. And so me and my my and my boys are grown. My boys are six-footers, 200 pounds, muscular kids. You know, it's not just me and my husband. You know, we got a bunch of big dudes with us too. We're running for the car. This guy is so scary. And before we could get to our car, he was out the door. We jump in our car, he jumps in his, he proceeded to chase us all across our our town. We had to call law enforcement, get them involved. It was wild. And I say that to preface it because when this began to happen at Carlsbad Cavern, instantaneously knew what was going on. Um, it was an elderly couple that had so many red flags and two young men. The young men were the ones driving the big white van, which was so ridiculously cliche. You're going, this cannot be real. This is so cliche, it cannot be real. And so I did not want to sound the alarm with the boys at first, but this man is it it was insane following us through. And what ultimately happened is that I saw them begin to target uh a four year old girl. And I went and I talked to her parents and I said, Look, you're gonna think I'm insane. I understand that. Please trust me when I tell you this is a bad actor. I pointed out the two young men that they were um communicating with, those two young men, this elderly couple, they they want to kidnap your daughter.

unknown 2:11:59

Do not

SPEAKER_02 2:12:00

Let her out of your sight, do not let her go to the bathroom, get out of here. And I went to a ranger station right after that. And I said, Look, you're gonna think I'm crazy. And it was a female ranger, and she looked at me and she said, No, ma'am, I'm not. And I said, No, no, I'm not kidding. You're gonna think I'm crazy. And she said, ma'am, I'm gonna tell you, I absolutely will not think you're crazy. Please tell me what you came here to tell me. And I said, Okay. I was like, I know this sounds nuts. And I said, But there are four people here, and I think they're human traffickers, and I think they are trying to kidnap me, and also this little girl. And I I know that sounds nuts. She said it doesn't sound nuts, but I'm gonna need you to stop right there. And that's when the crab hit the fan. She pulls out like um I don't know, like a protocol book. She opened she unlocks a drawer, she pulls out this book, and it's like this protocol. She's on the radio, she's calling in. We got rangers coming in from all different directions, uh, descending on this little office area, and and and they're discussing what how they need to handle it and what they need to do. And she said, I need you to wait right here. I'm gonna need you to repeat this and then tell me the rest of what happened. Um, can you identify the person? And I said, Yeah, it's that it he's part of it, but there's two, and I described the other people and the lady with him. And um it was absolutely a wild scene. We had law enforcement just descend on it. Um obviously, you know, we're the kids are all terrified, and um it's it's all just a little bit of a blur of a blur because it was such a wild situation. But I went back to her and I said, Look, I need to know what this is. Am I crazy? And she said, No, ma'am, you're not crazy. And I said, Is this what I think it is? And she said, I actually I'm not allowed to talk about it. And I said, Look, here I said, woman to woman, I'm in town with my family. We're gonna be here for a couple more days. I need to know if this is human trafficking and if we need to watch her back, because this is the most insane experience I've ever had. And she said, Um, yes, that's exactly what it is. Your instincts are right on, and you do need to watch her back. And so we had other tours scheduled. Yeah, I mean, that these people had gone, they had even followed us in line and bought the identical tickets for you can at Carlsback Caverns, you can go to like deeper caverns and you have to like pay extra and do different tours. They had followed our tours. We ran out of there, and as soon as we did, it was like um National Park Police pulled in that parking lot, and it was like wheels were squealing, they were flying in there, lights were everywhere. It was absolutely insane. So, yeah, and I I've had a number of those situations. I don't think the IHOP situation had anything to do with it. Um, like that.

SPEAKER_09 2:15:01

Uh let me ask you something. Are you are you aware, is there any type of military installation anywhere around that Carlsbad Caverns, New Mexico?

SPEAKER_02 2:15:13

It's not that far from Las Cruces, I don't think. Um I mean, same state.

SPEAKER_09 2:15:20

Um I'm not sure. And we know there's a lot of uh underground caverns, uh tunnels, tunnels that might lead to other tunnels. You never know what's going on down there. But as you can see, I mean, you're down down there, down below, and uh, you know, underground lunch rooms, all kinds of stuff down there. Uh I'm just wondering.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:41

And that's what she affirmed that. No, she they they were actually um mounting up, they were gathering up law enforcement, national park police, arrangers, and they were going down into those caves to search for the people. And she did confirm that that's what it was.

SPEAKER_09 2:15:59

Oh, just another rabbit hole outcast that we always get into in these shows, you know. Uh that uh I don't want to go into these rabbit hole tunnels yet, but uh maybe at some point we can uh if we can get you back on. But wow, Jess, this is just uh what amazing run up to now. Uh I'm just wondering if there's more. Uh you know, we'll have to figure that out. But oh and okay, so what what's on your mind right now?

SPEAKER_04 2:16:28

Jess, when when you watch, I'm assuming like most people, you've watched some of uh Stranger Things, correct?

SPEAKER_02 2:16:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:36

Does I mean does that resonate with you when you watch it? Do you feel uh that that somehow captures some of what you went through in the in the gate program? Is that is do you see clues? Well, I mean, how how does that affect you when you watch that?

SPEAKER_02 2:16:48

No, it absolutely did. It's funny. That's actually really what sent me back down this path and to start researching some of this and look into it because um a lot of it I had forgotten. Um the most vivid memory I have is those inner cards, the psychic cards. That memory is very vivid. Um, I've always known that there's been indoctrination, but yes, absolutely. When that show came on, um that was like something woke up and it it definitely gave me a queasy feeling. I mean, I I was a big fan. I love the show, and I watched the show. I watched every season The Kids Did 2. Um, but that definitely is what got me thinking and and pondering about all this more about these different experiences. Um I know we're probably crunched for time, so I'll share later. I was actually very um deep into right-wing politics for a time and saw some really dark stuff that plays into that whole Truman show and creating a false narrative. Um and, you know, I I went from zero to 60 with that, you know, um very interesting, you know, rubbing elbows with people that I shouldn't have been rubbing elbows with and being um openly uh invited to know the secrets and the very dark workings of things that I absolutely blew my mind. So yeah, um watching the Stranger Things um definitely is what brought a lot of this back to the surface, made me reflect on um a lot of the stuff from my political involvement, a lot of the stuff that I saw, a lot of the the the weird, you know, um, I don't even know how to describe it without going way far down that rabbit trail that would take forever to go, but then reflecting on um college experience, reflecting on, you know, childhood experience in the in the gate program. Yeah, it it brought a lot of things back up to you.

SPEAKER_09 2:18:38

Maybe sure. Well, maybe that's something we can visit at another uh juncture with another episode, I'll cast. What do you think?

SPEAKER_04 2:18:44

Well, yeah, and and and the details of that she's been giving makes me think of the telepathy tapes too, which is like yeah, like like like gate 2.0 where they've got these kids who are damaged through vaccines to have autism, but yet they they maybe are part of a super soldier program that can that can uh you know do uh what's the word I'm looking for? Telepathy out-of-typer stuff. Yeah, telepathy and out-of-body experiences. Yeah, I it I just I see everything seems interconnected to me. It just it's crazy. It's a deep, deep rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_02 2:19:15

It is. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_09 2:19:17

Wow. Well, listen, Jess. I mean, you I almost thinking now that you own only scratch the surface on this stuff. Um, I'm almost thinking that we could probably do some more. Yeah, we'll have to uh lay out another set of plans, but uh uh I enjoyed having you here. Alcast, how about some final words before Jess has to get out of here?

SPEAKER_04 2:19:33

Jess, you are an awesome inspiration. You everything you've had to say, you're you're so articulate. I know I say that to a lot of our guests, but I it does stand out to me when people communicate well. And uh you do, you're a great communicator, you've got great personal experiences, you've got a great Christian outlook, you've got um an amazing way that to look at how to raise children. Um, you your health journey, everything, you're an inspiration and um you're a blessing to everybody who knows you. I know you are. Uh your kids are fortunate to have you. Your husband is blessed to have you as a partner. Um, we're excited to have you. We feel blessed to have you as a friend and a contributor to the show. Um, so so just we cannot thank you enough from the bottom of our hearts. Uh, you're welcome to come back on anytime you're ready.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:18

Um, thank you very much. I feel the same way about you guys. I appreciate so much what you do. I think we're in very interesting times, and it's more important than ever uh to really face what's going on and make a plan for how we're going to uh, you know, get through it and and make decisions because the world is um, man, everything is a Truman show. And it's really hard to make decisions, to figure out how to live your life, to what to throw yourself behind, um, because the truth is hard to find. And people can find it on your podcast. And so I'm very grateful and appreciative and you know, um, longtime listener, first time, first time caller, big fan here. I appreciate you guys.

SPEAKER_09 2:21:04

Thank you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:05

Yep, I see. Jesse, I think I mentioned this. I think I mentioned this when we talked, the three of us talked last week, but um I I I gotta say this again, just for our listeners. Um, around the same time that we were talking to Jess, I went into an office with two young guys, and somehow we went down this rabbit trail talking about the Truman show and how everything seems like it's uh it's so interconnected that it seems like it's beyond coincidence. And I said, Yeah, you know, like my wife and I will be discussing something, and then all of a sudden we'll see, we'll turn the channel, and there's two different movies that tie in exactly. And we're like, What? Well, I I at some point I'm talking to these younger guys, I didn't even think they would know the movie. I said, Yeah, I said it makes me think of that movie from the 80s, The Running Man. And they were like, Oh my gosh, I can't believe you just said that. I'm like, What? And they go, right before you came in the door, we were discussing how today is the release date of the brand new Running Man movie. Yep. Isn't that crazy? I mean, it it feels like the Truman show. It feels like everything's being like put into place. I don't know, I yeah, I don't know what to make of it, but orchestrating absolutely, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 2:22:05

Everything's yeah, like you said, orchestrated behind the scenes. There's one last question here uh from Music Lover. She says, Do you think the shows like Stranger Thing, Stranger Things per purposely serve to wake people up like you who were in the gate program from the beginning?

SPEAKER_04 2:22:18

That's an awesome question.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:19

I wonder. Um I I wonder. I mean, watching that show, I can't describe, I'm not a an anxious person. I don't have anxiety, I don't have worry. I trust God and you know, it is well with my soul. But watching that show, yeah. I mean, I've been talking to my kids about it. I'm talking to my husband, they're probably tired of hearing about it. It definitely woke something up, and I can't perfectly articulate it or describe it. Um, I don't think I'm a super soldier, I don't think I'm anyone special. Um I I I I can say, you know, that I think that the overarching message for me is that in spite of whatever was or wasn't done to us, whatever we were indoctrinated with and inoculated with, and whatever, you know, garbage was put in our heads, I'm here, I'm with you guys. I love Jesus and I stand firm in that faith and against this agenda. So everything that the enemy did, God turns that into good. Every bit of that association with the esoteric and and the romanticizing of the hidden things and the mystery things. Yeah, I can tell you, you know, describing, you know, my church experience, I think, you know, 25 years ago when I'm hearing about Bohemian Grove, had I probably had I not been in those classes and had an understanding of the weird mystical elements of those locations, I probably would have said that's conspiracy theory, that's crazy, that's goofy, because I was not raised in a paradigm that accepted the supernatural at all, except for my introduction to that mess with the gate program. So, you know, Satan can throw all of his fireballs at us, he can throw the indoctrination, he can try to take what does not belong to him, but ultimately God uses those things for good. And I firmly believe that all of those things prepared. I think a lot of people are waking up, and that's all preparation for whatever it is to come. We're all gonna be ready. Throw it at us, we're not worried.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:31

Amen. Awesome, amen. You know, you took the words out of my mouth that whatever the devil plans for evil, God can turn for good. I was thinking that same thing before you even said it. Uh, there was something else I want to comment too about, but uh oh yeah, I was gonna say this too. Whatever programming they attempted to do, um Jesus Christ is the antidote. So it it the truth that God pours into us will break whatever their attempts were because everything that the devil tries to do is a counterfeit. And and only God pours true truth into us, right? So wow, there's so many ways to look at this. I love it.

SPEAKER_09 2:25:02

You know, I'm wondering, yeah, that a good point there, Alcass. I'm wondering, uh, you know, maybe you'd never become the winner soldier because why God wanted you to start having a family.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:14

100%. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_09 2:25:17

Because if you would have gone further with that program, who knows where you would be right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:22

And and we're not gonna do the political thing because that went down when I got really deep into that. I had people approaching me telling me that God told them I was supposed to run for this office and be involved in that. And I said, Wow, hold the truck up. I'm a homeschool mom, I stay home with my kids. Awesome. And that was actually the point in time where I went, okay, this we we we gotta research this. I've I've got to have an understanding of what's going on because that was not from God. That was absolutely, and I told one lady, I said, you know, God didn't tell me that. God told us to stay home and be with my family and be a wife and be a mother. That's what God told me to do. So you keep your job.

SPEAKER_04 2:26:02

Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 2:26:02

That's it.

SPEAKER_04 2:26:03

What a great answer. And you think about it too. What we're looking at here is if you would have had uh pride issues, they would have fed into your ego that you're that you are meant to go into politics. And then they they know that people who have ego problems are easily manipulative. They're they're the ones that they trap, right? So so the fact that you are grounded in your in your faith and humble in your walk, you said, I don't care what you think I should think I should be doing, I know what I need to be doing, right? Uh other people might go, oh, really? Is this you you think I'm great? Oh, I mean, I'm gonna go right along. And next thing you know, they get sucked into this evil system where they extort you and control you, and right? But because you stood strong in your faith, you could see right through it. It's amazing. I love it. What a what a testimonial right there alone. I mean, that's just icing on the cake for the rest of your story. Yeah, love it. Perfect.

SPEAKER_09 2:26:50

Well, Jess, uh, thank you so much. Uh, you know, it's it does seem like there is another uh episode somewhere in here. We probably scratch one together and figure that out. Uh, because I I think a lot of people are gonna be interested to see uh more or listen to hear more of what you have uh to talk about. Man, that thing is making a lot of noise, you guys. Sorry, that's the old VCR back there. Uh rewinding. Uh and um, you know, thank you for s for coming on the show so much. Uh guest, did you say your final thoughts to her?

SPEAKER_04 2:27:20

Yes, we did that. Yeah, yeah. All right, awesome. God bless you, Jess. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_09 2:27:24

Yeah, so Jess, thank you so much. Is there anywhere else you want people to go to check you out other than uh at Jess Weatherby Lifts on Instagram?

SPEAKER_02 2:27:36

I you know, you you have a pretty awesome um audience and regulars on, and I want them to know I'm I'm their fan too. I love their comments. I hear from Music Lover and so many of them, and I love that you have people that think and uh they're they're in the battle with you guys, and that's a blessing. And it's a just a privilege to to be on your show and to share that with them.

SPEAKER_09 2:27:56

Awesome. Well, it's it it's it's definitely our you know, we're so glad you you came here, and it's uh uh yeah, I can't wait to do this again. Uh there's more. I know there's more, outcast is what I'm saying. So, all right, Jess, thank you so much and uh stay warm down there in Texas. Yeah, excellent. All right, Jess, good night and stay dangerous. All right, all right, good night. There it is, outcast. Oh man, that was wild. What a wild ride.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:21

She's awesome. Add it to our list of awesome guests. We've had some incredible people. I mean, what a Jesse, you and I are, I don't know, how we're blessed in the battle. We are, we are, dude. It's crazy. I know just the the the love and support we get from the the listeners and the the contributions that they make to the show. Yeah, it is a family. This is not this isn't just you and I, you know, showboating up here trying to you know tell people what to think. It's like it's like we're a consortium of believers bringing our ideas together and and sharing what we know. It's just cool, man. It's amazing. I know for Jess to be to be a listener and then come on with an incredible story, is just cool, man. I love it.

SPEAKER_09 2:29:00

I think I still think there's more there. Um you know, on the on the list that we came up with the other day, I'm I'm looking at it right now. Yeah, there's there's yeah, there but it's like that with every show, it's like we don't get to everything we want. Look at time has just flown by. I don't think we're gonna be able to do the other stuff. Maybe Thursday. If we have a Thursday morning, if I if the snow doesn't come and I and I'm not in the truck, uh we'll do a Thursday morning thing if you can join me. But I'll I'm trying to make it here Thursday at 10 a.m. So um Alcast, why don't you give us some final thoughts? And uh, you know, you guys out there, listen, if you want to go check her out, uh the description is down below here in this. Uh go check out her Instagram and uh pick up some of that knowledge, all right. There's a there's a lot there to pick up from, and uh, you know, she's she's in it, she's blessed in the battle too. All right, Alcast. Well, what's your final thoughts, brother?

SPEAKER_04 2:29:49

I'm gonna do as quick as I can here, real fast. Uh, I'm just gonna read some scripture. I kind of made reference to it in my opening prayer. This is some scripture that just I've been pondering. It is from Colossians 4, and it says further instructions, and this is uh advice for all of us and a reminder to the to myself as well. I'm not I'm not preaching to you guys, I'm preaching to myself at the same time. Devote yourselves to prayer, being watchful and thankful, and pray for us too, that God may open a door to our message so that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ, for which I am I am in chains. Pray that I may proclaim it clearly, as I should. Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders. Make the most of every opportunity, let your conversations uh be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. Um just such good version, I mean, devote yourselves to prayer and being watchful, right? Yeah. We talk about that. Everybody on the show is is is watchful. It's a community of people who are watchers, uh, watchmen on the walls. Um uh and then you have to be grateful. You got to be like dialed into your gratitude because if you're not, you're gonna find yourself living a life of comparing yourself to others, which leads to discontentment, which leads to the devil getting a foothold in your thinking and makes you uh a very broken individual. Um so so being thankful is key to all of this. Um, and then it says, I love this. Pray for you know, we'll pray for you, you pray for us. That's our listeners. Yeah. Um, and then it says, let every con don't let let's not let's not miss any opportunity. Like you had a story where you found out that somebody on your trip this weekend uh was thinks like us and you had a great conversation. Today I met a uh a lovely young lady, about 28 years old, um a lovely young black gal. And I only throw that her color in there because I just think it adds to the to for our listeners to paint a picture. And she was uh she's a Christian, but she was missing some bits and pieces that I call the Nephilim red pill. And when I explained it to her, it made all the sense in the world to her. So we so we we're we're trying not to miss any opportunity and let our conversations always be uh filled with grace, uh seasoned with salt. Food without salt is bland. We we we want to present these things in a way that um we're not we're not trying to divert the attention from Christ by talking about the Nephilim, we're not trying to do any of that kind of thing. What we're trying to do is just if people have got questions and there's missing components, it makes them, I think it could it could challenge their faith a little bit. But when you give them the complete arcing picture, which I think is uh the Enochian narrative, helps is like the Rosetta Stone, you'll see certain people, man, that stimulates them. Other people might other people might go, who cares? I mean, why are you talking about that stuff? It's uh let's talk about salvation. Yes, yes, I I got yes, salvation is is extremely important for people who are new. But for those of us who are thinkers, those of us who are truth seekers, um, this information is valuable and it really drives us um and and can really complete our faith and and shore it up and make us excited again. So when I spot that in somebody, somebody that's hungry and yet spiritual, um, I don't want them to be lured away by Gnosticism or any or anything else. I want to bring them back into the fold. Yeah. And these types of, if you get good at telling these types of stories, it can really make people fascinate with the Bible again. They're gonna get their nose, just like you and me, Jesse, get your nose in your Bible and start, oh, here, here, I'm gonna mark my Bible, I'm gonna put these tabs in my find all the new stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just it invigorates you. Um so, anyways, so there's some scripture, there's some thoughts for you. I could go into more detail. I know we're getting late now. I won't do that, but maybe another time I'll tell you more about my red pill unless you want to hear about it now.

SPEAKER_09 2:33:33

I do want to hear about it, man. It's still so late, though. I want to I I know it's we gotta get in. I gotta edit this down the end of it. And yeah. All right. I'm tired. Uh well, thanks, brother. Uh, that was good, and I'm I'm so glad that Jess was able to come on with us. Um, I let's do a big uh a quick shout out to our supporters, uh, Outcast before we get out of here. Um, because that's important is what I'm saying. Listen, you guys a monthly supporters on Subscribestar, Buzz Sprout, Paycheck. A PayPal on Patreon and also buy me a coffee. A big big shout out to Manny Espejo, Jill Bark, Ryan, Ryan Mansfield, Carmen Rosario, Shelley Pollock, Michelle Yerkes, Ms. Melody, Hi Heidi Human, Robert and Terry, Cheryl E, Bonnie Moriarty, Biffermac, Steph Me, Fire Dug, Deb Santos, K Po, Dave Baxter, and Isabel from Missouri. Guys, thank you so much for being here and supporting the show on a monthly basis, like you guys are doing. Coming very soon with those mugs and tumblers and some other things. So it's gonna be a good timeout, guess what I'm saying. Um music lover says the first time I showed my friends Genesis 6 with a uh with a concordance, I looked like the meme of the guy with the board and all the red string. Oh, yeah, pointing over here. Yeah, putting us. I know what she's talking about. Yeah, exactly. Yep, I like those stories. So we'll have to get into that at some other point. But listen, you guys, uh it's been great. Um, if you like what you heard, uh and if you want to support the show, please consider becoming a sponsor if the situation fits. All right, you can choose from any of those options that I just talked about on the description down below. And please, in in the audio land, if you guys are out there and you want to leave us a five-star rating and review, we would appreciate that. And we'll read it uh over on iTunes, Spotify, create uh cast box, or wherever else you listen to uh uh the audio at. So uh we're gonna try to reach more people just like you, is what I'm saying, you guys. Uh listen, thanks to uh Jess Weatherby. You guys check her out description down below again over there on Instagram, JessWeatherby lifts. All right, she lifts heavy, is what I'm saying, outcast. Um thank all you guys over there in the chat rooms. It's been great. Music lover, Jack Pine Savage, Ms. Melody, Trusty Turnip, our live chat moderators. I'm going to release a scratching right now over here on pill.net. There it goes. You guys have fun with that. There you go, Outcast. We might get a cookie or two. Who knows? Um, let me see. We have uh, oh yeah, join us live here every Sunday uh every Monday night, 7 p.m. Eastern. Also, if the time and God allows, Thursday mornings, 10 a.m. for the morning show. That's always a good one. Just don't let it snow when I'm trying to do another show, is what I'm saying. Uh outcast, it gets it gets under my skin because I want to do more shows, right? But uh, you know, then snow shows up and it gets cold and crazy. So listen, you guys. Uh thank you guys so much for being here tonight, is what I'm saying. Thanks for watching. I I had a great time, and uh, I know that you've had a great time, you guys. Don't be threatened by the mainstream media fear campaigns. Rescue those in darkness around you, and do not comply with unjust laws, mandates, or regulations. Trust your gut always, because that's God talking to you, is what I'm saying. Oh man, outcast. Look at that sunshine or sunshine going down. The sunset is there. Listen, God bless, brothers and sisters. Stay dangerous, and we'll see you on Thursday, God willing. Good night.