#217: A Conversation with Jeff Leach (Pierre Southern from Death Stranding 2)

This week, we're chatting with Jeff Leach (Ghost from Call of Duty and Bragan from Avowed). 

Jeff had a mysterious entry on his IMDb profile for a "Pierre Southern" role in Death Stranding 2 and we're going to get to the bottom of it! 

Enjoy the show! 

Transcript

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Cam Clarke
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Alessio Summerfield
Ladies gears. Men, babies and gentle lambs. As always, I am your host, Alicia Summerfield. And this week. Wait a minute.

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Cam Clarke
Here once again. Well, when.

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Alessio Summerfield
You're listening to Metal Gear Mondays, the comprehensive and long running Metal Gear podcast covering all things Metal Gear from top to bottom, left, right, inside and out in pseudo chronological order. As always, I'm your host, Felicity Summerfield. I one day I'm going to get that right. I, like.

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James Reichmuth
You, shouted out babies in the intro. Like for the babies listening like, thank you for your patronage.

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Alessio Summerfield
I got an 18 month old. All right.

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Cam Clarke
Baby. Yeah.

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Alessio Summerfield
I'm trying to figure out at what point we stopped counting in months. Yeah, I think it's like two, right? Two feels good.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I was like, 24, 24 months is the gift. Somebody said to me, 32 months, I'd be like, please don't talk to me anymore.

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Alessio Summerfield
She's 48 months old. Yeah.

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James Reichmuth
It's like it's,

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Alessio Summerfield
Also, I have to I have to correct my god awful dad brain. So last episode, I said my daughter was born on December 23rd, 2023. Fuck that up. Her birthday is 1220.

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James Reichmuth
That's right.

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Alessio Summerfield
You're 23.

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James Reichmuth
Your daughter's and my wife. Same. Same birthday.

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Alessio Summerfield
Oh, shit. I thought you were going to say your daughter and my wife of the same person.

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Cam Clarke


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James Reichmuth
It's a real. It's a real Twilight Zone.

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Alessio Summerfield
It'd be a real Kojima. Move to ball, dude.

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James Reichmuth
That's so true. It will I I do think that that's where this is going. You're right about that.

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Alessio Summerfield
Anyway, we've got a great show for you today, and that's really good. Yeah. I'm stoked. And that show, was supposed to be last week. That is on us. Apologies. That's why these are kind of weirdly out of order. We mentioned this interview last week for you. Because this was supposed to air at a. So.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah, this is what we've always meant by pseudo chronological order. Like, you just don't know what you're going to get.

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Alessio Summerfield
Yeah, we're in it right now. This is it. But, I'm going to really quickly hit the randomizer for us because we are going to tell you which $10 plus patron was cool enough to sponsor this episode.

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Cam Clarke
Wow.

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Alessio Summerfield
Here that is Johnny Flores Jr.

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James Reichmuth
Johnny Flores jr.

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Alessio Summerfield
Thank you. Johnny. Johnny, I had the pleasure of going out to dinner with him and his wife.

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James Reichmuth
Why would you.

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Alessio Summerfield
Eat? He was at Comic-Con and we went. We met. We actually met at the same time that I met Warren for the first time.

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James Reichmuth
Oh, shit. Shout out Warren.

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Alessio Summerfield
Where the fuck did we go eat? I really can't remember. I feel like it might have been like a vegetarian place. I feel like his wife might be vegetarian. I'm probably getting that wrong.

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James Reichmuth
Wow.

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Alessio Summerfield
I just remember it was good.

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James Reichmuth
Whatever it was, we'll hear about it.

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Alessio Summerfield
I mean, it's New York. I feel like if you're not good, you don't survive.

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James Reichmuth


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Cam Clarke
Don't belong. Yeah. You know, if you can make it here, kid.

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Alessio Summerfield
Anyway, Yeah. So anyway, if you want to be cool like Johnny Flores Jr, please consider giving us $10 plus a month. If you do so, you will be able to have eyes on me doing a weird thing with my hands on my eyes right now.

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James Reichmuth
It's pretty weird. You're going to want to see this.

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Alessio Summerfield
Yeah. And, you can also see this. Now we're starting a trend of video interviews. I guess, we haven't gotten any prior to Deborah Wilson. And now we have our second one. So you can see the interview. You can see, Jeff's beautiful face. Jeff is a good looking man. He's a good. I'm not trying to be weird about that.

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Alessio Summerfield
He really is.

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Cam Clarke
But, yes,

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Alessio Summerfield
I do have a little typed up intro. So, anyway, Jeff Leach, that is our guy, that is, who were interviewing today. He plays a character which I have seen zero about to this point. So this is a little bit of a scoop. Not in a big, bad way, but it's like it's something that's good. Jeff plays a, a character named Pierre Southern, which we found out canonically not a Frenchman.

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Alessio Summerfield
Well, I guess that last name is not very French, so that makes sense. But, still a little goofy. Yeah. So anyway, we'll get into it, but this is what I have written up. Here we go. Jeff Leech is an internationally acclaimed actor, television host, and stand up comedian who you may know from his time presenting for BBC and ITV, but the audience for this show will be far more familiar with his roles as Ghost in Call of Duty, Dragon in Avowed and in the soon to be released Death Stranding two.

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Alessio Summerfield
So yeah, that's who we're speaking with. James, thank you for joining me for this.

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James Reichmuth
Thank you for having me. It was a blast talking with Jeff.

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Alessio Summerfield
Yeah. We, Lilian, unfortunately, due to scheduling conflict, couldn't be on. James. Thank you for agreeing to be on at short notice.

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James Reichmuth
When I do, baby.

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Alessio Summerfield
Do we still call you Jimmy Stinger, or is that Jimmy short notice, though?

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James Reichmuth
Yeah, call me Jimmy short notice.

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Alessio Summerfield
I like that. Or short notice. Jimmy.

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James Reichmuth
It's like Jimmy Stinger. My my blue sky handles the racking.

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Cam Clarke
It's it really.

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James Reichmuth
Well. It's actually the ranking was taken, so it's double racking like a New York rap.

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Cam Clarke
It's cracking.

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James Reichmuth
It's the wrecking.

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Cam Clarke
Move it. It's the back.

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Alessio Summerfield
God. That's that's fucking awesome. I'm sorry. Is there an award on a on a little side table behind you?

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James Reichmuth
No. Yeah. There is.

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Alessio Summerfield
What is.

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Cam Clarke
There? Would you.

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Alessio Summerfield
Did you win the best rap.

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Cam Clarke
King over it? I did.

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James Reichmuth
It's, it's actually, it's really funny. This is like a stupid, like, sales, a word from work. But I wish that you could feel it because it's the sharpest, heaviest piece of glass. And they gave it to me like this, and they're like, okay, now get on the plane in this. They pull this out. It czar. And they were very confused about.

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James Reichmuth
Oh yeah. Because they're like, yeah. Like you can't really see this fucking point is sharp. Like not only could you club somewhere with this, you could probably like shank someone.

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Alessio Summerfield
Dude, that looks brutal.

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James Reichmuth


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Alessio Summerfield
That's cool. Yeah, I just saw it. I can't quite make out if it's a flame or a teardrop. I feel like they're saying for you.

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James Reichmuth
Interpret it as a teardrop when it was handed to me. It's a murder. Like. Like. Yeah, I was like, well, I was like, this is something.

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Alessio Summerfield
Well, congratulations. In retrospect.

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James Reichmuth
This is, many, many more to come.

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Alessio Summerfield
Nice.

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James Reichmuth
Hopefully.

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Alessio Summerfield
Do it.

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Cam Clarke
Oh. Oh, no.

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Alessio Summerfield
Well, everybody at the $10.

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Cam Clarke
Level just got to see everybody saw that it was all off James's wall.

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Alessio Summerfield
That's fucking hilarious. Dude, this. I didn't mean for it to, but this episode is very visual.

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Cam Clarke
I'm sorry.

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James Reichmuth
Even more reason to sign up for that $10. Ask me.

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Alessio Summerfield
And if you can't do that, we totally understand. Yeah, for sure. For those for those that are doing $5, you get our bonus podcast, Patriot Club, where we talk about whatever, and this feels very akin to something that would be on that.

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Cam Clarke
Yeah.

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Alessio Summerfield
And then last thing, we only have three tiers, thank God, $1 tier. You get access to the discord. We got a lot of cool people in there, many of whom I met on discord and have been friends with for years now. And you do get immediate access to all of our past Patreon content for a dollar plus, everything that was released prior to episode 212 is up there.

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Alessio Summerfield
So you guys get 65 hours of the Patriot Club the moment you hit go on a $1.

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James Reichmuth
An oh, nice for for people of just discovering the podcast, I there's no better feeling than like falling in love with something and then realizing you've got 60 plus hours to.

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Cam Clarke
Fucking get.

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Alessio Summerfield
Well. And that's why you got the sales award. Dude, you should have been doing. You should have been doing the plug for the Patreon. There's an award winning sales job. You.

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James Reichmuth
That's right.

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Alessio Summerfield
I'm sorry. I don't want to downplay the award that you guys know.

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Cam Clarke
You get.

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James Reichmuth
Downplayed. I didn't, and we're covered for it.

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Cam Clarke
Yeah, I didn't deserve that.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah, but nobody else, nobody else got this award, so,

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Alessio Summerfield
Fair enough.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah, there's only one.

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Alessio Summerfield
And we don't, much like the in that regard. We don't deserve your, listenership. But thank you for providing. Anyway, super fun episode. Jeff's bad ass. As you read, he's been in some cool shit. Yeah. He gives us some scoops on day two, which drops, what, two days? No. Yeah. Technically it drops like the night after this episode at the following, the following midnight is the deluxe.

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Alessio Summerfield
The actual is the 26th.

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Cam Clarke
Yeah.

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Alessio Summerfield
Yeah. And for everybody who wants to keep up, games club style, which is the whole reason why this fucking show exists. We are. It just dropped. This is all brand new news, which might be old by the time you hear this. But apparently, allegedly, two is going to be 75 hours long.

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Cam Clarke


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Alessio Summerfield
Based on estimates, and it's going to be 16 chapters. So let me do some quick maths. I don't know if. James, if you want, vamp real quick. You know, I.

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James Reichmuth
Was trying to think about it. Well, one thing I was actually looking at as you're pulling that up was, Death Stranding. One came out in November 2019. You know, this coming out in one month around June. It's like we talked we you know, we talk about this in does the preview episode come out before this one?

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Cam Clarke
Yeah. Or two.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah. I think we talked a little bit about it in the other episode about like the fear of this becoming like maybe two action blockbuster. I feel like the release timing of it is also interesting. Oh. It's like a step towards that genre as well.

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Alessio Summerfield
Yeah, that's a good point.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah, definitely.

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Alessio Summerfield
Summer release is definitely what I like. A big budget action movie with.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah. And I felt like Death Stranding one was like very much like a fall winter game. Like you're going to sink into it.

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Alessio Summerfield
Three awards season.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I wonder tonally, of the release date will impact.

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Cam Clarke
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Alessio Summerfield
So if the game is truly 16 chapters, we are doing, we're doing a first impressions episode that will actually drop the day of release so you guys can listen to that. If you're not even going to want to, you might just be playing Death Stranding two, but hopefully you listen to us.

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Cam Clarke
Yeah, listen and play.

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Alessio Summerfield
But every.

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Cam Clarke
Week.

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Alessio Summerfield
We would a great game for that. You're going to be walking forever. So just put on a podcast.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah. Have your buds with you while you are.

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Alessio Summerfield
Yeah yeah yeah. Both literally and figuratively. But, anyway, we're doing weekly episodes because we are fucking racing to get to MGS Delta. Yeah. Which, god damn you, Konami, for, releasing your fucking game like eight weeks after Kojima's game.

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James Reichmuth
How dare they?

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Alessio Summerfield
But anyway, so First Impressions is released. A part one is going to be the following Monday, and then every single week we're going to be putting out an episode. There are eight episodes. So if you're listening at home, we'll be covering two chapters an episode. I don't know what that's going to look like. I don't even know if you can tell what that's going to look like.

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Alessio Summerfield
But allegedly from the trophy list that drop, there's 16 trophies dedicated to chapters one, probably an epilog. So in my opinion, once the trophy pops for chapter two, that will be where we are stopping each episode. So yeah, excited to check it out. I hope everybody enjoys the game. Keep an eye out for Pierre Southern. James, you have anything you want to plug before we migrate into the episode?

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James Reichmuth
Now get get ready for some sweet Pierre Southern action.

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Alessio Summerfield
Hell, yeah. I thought you were gonna say get ready to get wrecked.

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James Reichmuth
Get wrecked?

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Alessio Summerfield
Get wrecked by the wreck ING. But, yeah, you can find me somewhere, I guess. Unless you made that on Instagram, that's the only one I really care to plug. But I'm gonna try to start putting some stuff out a little bit more regularly. I'm not going to kill myself. And it will be fun and creative, but potentially more stuff.

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Alessio Summerfield
Things are going well. I am very deep in the process of developing a television show.

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Cam Clarke
A.

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Alessio Summerfield
Is starting to feel like an IT or a when it gets picked up and not as ready anymore. But having some I had like three calls today about it.

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Cam Clarke
Yeah. That's awesome.

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Alessio Summerfield
So hopefully I don't have all my time absorbed by something totally different than this podcast. But we shall see. I will continue to do this goddamn podcast while that's going on. We don't come back and then leave again.

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James Reichmuth
No no no, no. We'll find a way.

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Alessio Summerfield
We'll find a way to do that.

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James Reichmuth
Yeah. Because it's like you're talking to my dad.

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Cam Clarke
Yeah.

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James Reichmuth
No, you don't get to leave again.

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Cam Clarke
You just.

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Alessio Summerfield
It's like, hey, son, I'm back. And then you see him inching for the door. You're like.

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James Reichmuth
What? What do you think you're doing?

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Alessio Summerfield
It's fucking misery. His legs.

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Cam Clarke


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Alessio Summerfield
If you haven't seen it, you can see that movie. Everybody is sick. Anyway, Yes. So this is our interview with Jeff Leech. He's super sick. And we will meet you all on the other side, I guess. Yeah. So this time next week, we'll be talking about Death Stranding. This time Thursday, we'll be talking about Death Stranding.

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Alessio Summerfield
It's no, time to become Norman Reedus again.

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James Reichmuth
Buckle up.

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Alessio Summerfield
Jeff, thank you so much for joining us.

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Jeff Leach
My pleasure. Thanks very much for having me, chaps.

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Alessio Summerfield
Yeah. Of course. Before we get too far into the rest of our questions and all that jazz, I just have to say, your IMDb credit for this game is shrouded in so much mystery. I just got to come out. Is it a bit that you just added this to your IMDb.

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Cam Clarke
Or is.

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Alessio Summerfield
This a character you can straight up talk about?

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Jeff Leach
No, no, I'm definitely playing a character in the game. I did that and he's cool. Southern. But yeah, I love that you thought this might be my attempt to just try to, I don't mean try Kojima Productions fan base and, you know, no, I'm definitely in this stranding scene. I'm definitely playing a character called southern who's a quest giver.

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Alessio Summerfield
Oh, nice. Nice, nice. Oh. That's awesome. Is his rival Francois Northern, by any chance?

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Cam Clarke
I guess nobody should be.

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Jeff Leach
I mean, maybe it's interesting when you're recording a game like this, when you're recording your parts for any kind of video, you know, skew projects, as an actor, you you often don't work with other actors in the room. You know, which is the case in this game as well. Unless potentially you're shooting mocap stuff will be kept.

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Jeff Leach
Stuff. And, I also don't, I don't, really get to see what the grand scheme of what this carrot said. His interactions with Norman Reedus, his character might mean for the rest of the universe. So, you know, as much as I'm sure you would love some incredible spoilers, give us some knowledge about the game. What's different in this one?

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Jeff Leach
We really don't get told it. You know, we get given our scripts and we, we get put in the booth and, and, I got to have an awful lot of fun with this character. I hope the versions of some of the lines that we did in the booth get put into the game. I mean, the voice director that I was working with was incredible, was laughing at points.

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Jeff Leach
You know, my character is is, he is a he is a character, for sure.

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Alessio Summerfield
You know, with a name like that, he'd have to be.

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Cam Clarke
Yeah.

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Jeff Leach
I mean, and but he's, you know, he's there's these beautiful moments. He's, he's he's antithetical to me in some respects, you know, quite, very, very soft and gentle to start with. And he gets a bit more confident and, but he's, he's he's nerdy and he's very geeky and he's,

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Cam Clarke


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Jeff Leach
He ends up loving, loving, you know, the player, the protagonist and, and, their interactions and becomes almost like a bit of a buddy, but almost like a bit of a friend who's who's like, oh, I'm so grateful you're my friend. You know, he's very, very sweet and stuff. So I gave him a little bit of humor in the in the delivery.

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Jeff Leach
And also some of the lines were just outright just had the whole booth in stitches and they were like, oh, we got to get that. And that's got to be in there. So we shall see. I again, I don't know what's going to end up in the final game because, you know, until until I play it.

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Cam Clarke
Who knows.

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Alessio Summerfield
How did you play the first one?

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Jeff Leach
You know what? No, I didn't, I digested a huge amount of online content for it. I at the time was, because when was the release of the last one disappointing?

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James Reichmuth
One. It was 20, 20, 19, six months.

00;16;57;13 - 00;17;13;15
Jeff Leach
Why? Yeah, I thought so. So it came out when I was doing, another major franchise, and I was kind of wrapped up in playing that game. So I was I was streaming it as well, and that sort of took 8 to 14 hours a day. And as you know, when in the streaming world, when you're locked into one game.

00;17;13;17 - 00;17;16;15
Cam Clarke
You got to play that game day every day.

00;17;16;17 - 00;17;38;17
Jeff Leach
But obviously, you know, I know everything about every release in the gaming industry is going on because, you know, I'm constantly digesting it from the various accounts I follow, the YouTube videos I'm watching, or if I'm tuning into, you know, video game. Dungey always does a little review for me as well. So I enjoy those. And and, you know, I'm a huge fan of, Hideo Kojima and his work.

00;17;38;17 - 00;17;56;29
Jeff Leach
I mean, he's he is one of the godfathers of gaming for me. Certainly. You know, and if you're a fan of the Metal Gear Solid, series, and I've actually just repurchased all of the games for Nintendo Switch so I can play them when I'm flying, to and from my comedy shows around the country or in the, you know, around the globe and and, yeah.

00;17;56;29 - 00;18;28;01
Jeff Leach
I mean, I just think he's an unbelievably inventive, creator, but also, like, even his approach to development of games is it broke the mold in a multitude of ways with his early release, his early titles, and even with Death Stranding, one, you know, it's attempted and succeeded in doing so many different and new things, which, was was definitely something I was able to digest by watching, you know, quite a lot of, and I also watched a bunch of other people that I know stream the game as well, you know, play the game.

00;18;28;04 - 00;18;28;18
Jeff Leach
The reason why.

00;18;28;18 - 00;18;40;08
Alessio Summerfield
I ask is I have to I have to see. I have to ask. I'm assuming Sam has to deliver something for your character. Do you know what the items are? Are you delivering? Is he delivering a bushel of baguettes for or southern like, what the hell.

00;18;40;08 - 00;18;40;16
Cam Clarke
He.

00;18;40;19 - 00;18;59;11
Jeff Leach
Again should be. And he should have to ride a little a little bicycle whilst he does it. Maybe with a string of onions around his, a little beret on top of his suit. But, no, no, I, I like I also being, you know, mindful of, you know, contracts that have.

00;18;59;11 - 00;19;02;05
Cam Clarke
Been signed on to what's my. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;19;02;06 - 00;19;35;03
Jeff Leach
My, my character definitely facilitates. Yes. Of course. Look Sam character is always going to be, he's a delivery boy. That's what his, his whole reason for being and so much more. But also I know that my character certainly, assists him in, in upgrading his, his experience of the game. So when that comes to, you know, comes to, his ability to do his job, the way he does it, the way he travels and, and what, what protections he's provided whilst he carries out those things.

00;19;35;10 - 00;19;52;24
Jeff Leach
So I do get the impression that having the content I've seen in the first game that there is an expansion, as there should be with the sequel in terms of the scope of how Sam does his job, what threats he might encounter along the way, and and how he deals with those. But obviously, again, in respect for the contract, a sign of the NDA.

00;19;52;24 - 00;19;53;12
Cam Clarke
Oh, yeah.

00;19;53;14 - 00;19;53;27
Jeff Leach
I can't.

00;19;53;27 - 00;19;55;23
Cam Clarke
Tell you anything specific. So he goes.

00;19;55;25 - 00;19;58;14
Alessio Summerfield
And gets a bicycle with a basket from you. That's what I'm.

00;19;58;14 - 00;20;01;00
Jeff Leach
Listen, if I had my way.

00;20;01;02 - 00;20;01;08
Cam Clarke
I'd.

00;20;01;08 - 00;20;15;23
Jeff Leach
Actually he there consumer as much as his his is are is so is is you know is is almost like it almost like neo-Gothic dark twisted, dystopian science fiction. Certainly within this franchise.

00;20;15;23 - 00;20;16;22
Cam Clarke
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;20;16;25 - 00;20;22;13
Jeff Leach
He's also got a wicked sense of humor. I mean, if you follow him on Instagram, which I do, and I just was gonna say he's.

00;20;22;13 - 00;20;25;09
Cam Clarke
A funny dude, right? He's like, he's he's.

00;20;25;09 - 00;20;40;11
Jeff Leach
And, and I think the that's why I hope the lines got through that, that, that we, we recorded on someone because some of them were improvised bits and stuff like that as well. And I always like to try and do that in the booth to see, hey, look, can we get this past the people who made the decisions?

00;20;40;13 - 00;20;54;17
Jeff Leach
But it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up having, you know, rolling out a little bicycle. Although my character is, as I am, British, you know, he has a British accent. He's he's a well-spoken Brit. He's not a French character.

00;20;54;19 - 00;20;55;19
Cam Clarke
And,

00;20;55;21 - 00;21;00;11
Jeff Leach
I also think that, if he was going to ride a bicycle out there, it would have to be a penny.

00;21;00;11 - 00;21;02;19
Cam Clarke
Farthing rather.

00;21;02;19 - 00;21;03;28
Jeff Leach
Than a little French bicycle with a.

00;21;03;28 - 00;21;05;21
Cam Clarke
Dinging bell on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;21;05;21 - 00;21;12;08
James Reichmuth
Of course. Did, when you went there to record your lines, did you have to do the full, like, scanning motion that they do for Fox?

00;21;12;10 - 00;21;37;08
Jeff Leach
No, no. And unfortunately, that's, I like which can be, that can be. It's it's a blessing and a curse to have to do that can be tiresome and laborious and it's quite boring, you know, being scanned and doing all that. My character is a quest giver. I know when you when you navigate the world, some people that you encounter, effectively projected in holographic form with in front of you, so you don't necessarily have to see the specifics of that body.

00;21;37;08 - 00;21;49;23
Jeff Leach
So they didn't get to the players won't get to digest my I think and my mother agrees, a gorgeous six foot four form in all its, perfect, you know, rippling abs, of course, you know.

00;21;49;26 - 00;21;50;13
Cam Clarke
Hey.

00;21;50;16 - 00;21;51;04
Jeff Leach
To the wise.

00;21;51;05 - 00;22;01;16
Alessio Summerfield
Who I have to agree and I think it probably comes from you having to host for like ITV and BBC back in the day, but you are a very well put together, very like, groomed.

00;22;01;18 - 00;22;06;23
Cam Clarke
Like I looked up the picture and I was like, good looking dude.

00;22;06;26 - 00;22;16;19
Jeff Leach
You're very sweet, man. Very sweet. No, I mean, I shifted some way. I've been working out for a film I'm going to be shooting at the end of the year, so I, you know, I wish they'd scan me because it would be nice to doctor.

00;22;16;19 - 00;22;17;05
Cam Clarke
Yeah.

00;22;17;07 - 00;22;29;26
Jeff Leach
Probably one of the best. My body's been in over the entirety of my 41 years on this planet. But alas, no, you will see. But, rudimentary holographic, form of myself.

00;22;29;26 - 00;22;32;24
Cam Clarke
So I did,

00;22;32;26 - 00;22;44;23
James Reichmuth
I've got to know, given that you've got such an appreciation for Kojima's catalog, is there a game or a moment from one of his games that really just strikes you as like, like really blew your mind for the first time.

00;22;44;25 - 00;22;47;09
Jeff Leach
Hiding yourself in a box, baby.

00;22;47;11 - 00;22;48;14
Cam Clarke
Oh, yeah.

00;22;48;16 - 00;23;04;29
Jeff Leach
It's for me. I mean, like, I love, I mean, culture. I might be 41, but I am at ha! Still, that childish little boy who, you know, kicked off playing well, I mean, originally, like the old school, switch on, switch off little Nintendo, you know, a little flat Nintendo one game.

00;23;05;01 - 00;23;05;11
Cam Clarke
Oh, yeah.

00;23;05;15 - 00;23;15;09
Jeff Leach
Yeah, they were the earliest consoles, effectively. And it was just on off. You know, it'd be Donkey Kong, half of the half of the, the level would actually be permanently imprinted on the screen.

00;23;15;09 - 00;23;15;24
Cam Clarke
You take in.

00;23;15;24 - 00;23;36;04
Jeff Leach
Foil, and then you would have a little pixelated character, you know, on dunk contest. So I came from that era, you know, but yeah, I love, I love, I love silly meme culture. I'm a big part of that. So, you know, the alert being waylaid by, hiding inside of a cardboard box for me is is peak.

00;23;36;11 - 00;23;55;26
Jeff Leach
It's pretty good. Zima, trolling. I think it's beautiful. It's a creative stealth game like that. And someone's go, oh, I haven't noticed that that box has just moved 12ft in this direction. All of its own accord. That, to me, is hilarious. So. Yes. So, yeah, I'm, I'm I'm a little I'm a little two dimensional in that respect.

00;23;55;27 - 00;24;00;21
Jeff Leach
I realize that's not perhaps the depth of all. And so you might be hoping for, but you know that.

00;24;00;21 - 00;24;02;17
James Reichmuth
Is the answer I want. And honestly.

00;24;02;19 - 00;24;03;19
Cam Clarke
That's you know what I mean?

00;24;03;19 - 00;24;21;12
Jeff Leach
I think I think, you know, across, across all the games I've done, it's not. Oh, and TV shows as well. And I'm talking just now as a voice actor, not as an on screen actor. Yeah. But, it's I'll give you an example. I just did, I've done a couple of seasons of, Aisha, on Hulu.

00;24;21;14 - 00;24;39;08
Jeff Leach
And in one of the last recordings that I did, for my character Yoki, the swift thing, I did all this, did all the vocals lines, and at the end, they was like, we want you to do some ancillary characters, you know? So I had a, mercenary number two, a guardsman number three, you know, villager screaming, you know, rubber bras.

00;24;39;10 - 00;24;47;28
Jeff Leach
And, for one of them, we had to do some deaths, you know, so I had to vocalize some deaths to some of these characters. You know, everyone dies in that show.

00;24;47;28 - 00;24;49;23
Cam Clarke
It's pretty, pretty intense.

00;24;49;26 - 00;24;55;02
Jeff Leach
A lot of murder. And it's pretty dark from the off as well.

00;24;55;05 - 00;24;56;24
Cam Clarke
He,

00;24;56;27 - 00;25;13;20
Jeff Leach
So sorry. So, at this point, my, the director and I were like, well, we got to get this double hit. You know, it has to be a you get hit and then you you kind of implode and, I decided to do a two be based on the Hulk two ago.

00;25;13;22 - 00;25;15;06
Cam Clarke
So my desk.

00;25;15;08 - 00;25;24;28
Jeff Leach
Was designed to sound like two. But it was a death, so we modified it. And when it came out in the late season, I heard my dad.

00;25;25;00 - 00;25;26;15
Cam Clarke
And that makes me laugh.

00;25;26;21 - 00;25;33;11
Jeff Leach
I know no one else will notice it, really. They just be like, I just got done, got killed. He got hit by an arrow and then sort.

00;25;33;11 - 00;25;35;19
Cam Clarke
Of took place, whatever.

00;25;35;21 - 00;25;40;04
Jeff Leach
But for me, I know I'm sitting there in the booth, got.

00;25;40;06 - 00;25;41;09
Cam Clarke
And it's.

00;25;41;09 - 00;25;43;24
Jeff Leach
Little things like that that made me laugh. Those little Easter eggs.

00;25;43;24 - 00;25;46;02
Cam Clarke
You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00;25;46;03 - 00;26;03;10
James Reichmuth
It's cool that you get to, you know, kind of bring your, your side of things into that and kind of your own approach to that. What is the balance, you know, whether you're recording for a TV show or a video game like Death Stranding, like, how do you balance, like improvising and bringing your own flair of comedy to it versus like having to stick to what's been handed to you?

00;26;03;12 - 00;26;31;05
Jeff Leach
I think it always works like this in the setting. The voice acting side of things is that you, you know, you get and that actually onscreen as well. Quite often. Let's get one in the can of the line as is. Right. Let's get one as they want it or what's been, outlined by the studio, etc. and then they go, hey, if you want to play a little or I'll say, I'll quite often say to the director, I'll go, do you mind if I just like to write, take one more take of that or do one more version because I've got a little something and they'll go, oh yeah, absolutely.

00;26;31;08 - 00;26;51;03
Jeff Leach
And often those end up being some of the funniest lines or the funniest moments in a show or the most interesting, depending what you do. For instance, when, American and Japanese artists are writing scripts, for instance, for a character who has a British accent, they may write something that fits to that, to their, their, their vocabulary, their vernacular.

00;26;51;06 - 00;27;08;04
Jeff Leach
But then when I get in the booth, being a British man, I know. Well, he would I would never say it this way. So can I play around with it a little bit more like that. And, and, I do that often when I audition as well. For stuff, especially if it's on camera, you know, or taped auditions or in person.

00;27;08;06 - 00;27;29;29
Jeff Leach
I will respect the scripts, but I will allow myself just a minuscule amount of freedom to embellish or add a little line or put a little personality in it, because quite frequently, and this is, I guess, advice for budding actors, both on camera and in the booth. You know, casting directors will see and hear thousand versions of, of the same thing.

00;27;30;02 - 00;27;46;10
Jeff Leach
If you can give them something that shows a little unique personality, a little unique character, something that they're never going to forget, then you stick out, you stay in their minds. And, sometimes that's a blessing. Sometimes that curse, they might be like, oh, that was a bit too much.

00;27;46;13 - 00;27;46;21
Cam Clarke
Which.

00;27;46;21 - 00;27;59;04
Jeff Leach
Is fine, but it's it's just understanding that balance. So like you say, it is a balance. Be respectful to the script someone's written that that person is an artist. And, and they're good at their job, which is why they're hired to do that job.

00;27;59;07 - 00;28;00;16
Alessio Summerfield
Yeah. But if.

00;28;00;16 - 00;28;03;04
Cam Clarke
You got a little embellishment, throw in, because the worst they.

00;28;03;04 - 00;28;11;16
Jeff Leach
Can say is that's not going to work. But can you do that one more time? Exactly. And you go, okay, cool. Which is why we normally get the safety in the can first and then right.

00;28;11;16 - 00;28;12;01
Cam Clarke
Right.

00;28;12;03 - 00;28;14;02
Jeff Leach
And then I'll throw in my Jeff Leach isms.

00;28;14;02 - 00;28;17;08
Cam Clarke
You know how,

00;28;17;11 - 00;28;20;01
Jeff Leach
I just described myself in the third person that made me feel.

00;28;20;04 - 00;28;20;15
Cam Clarke
Like a little.

00;28;20;15 - 00;28;24;26
Jeff Leach
Bit of bile just rose up in my throat, as I did that, as a Jeff isms.

00;28;24;26 - 00;28;27;15
Cam Clarke
As, oh, geez.

00;28;27;17 - 00;28;34;08
Alessio Summerfield
It's so it's interesting because, like, obviously if you're sort of main or supporting cast or whatever, I feel like the sort of.

00;28;34;12 - 00;28;36;01
Jeff Leach
I'm, I'm a supporting cast member.

00;28;36;02 - 00;28;37;06
Cam Clarke
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00;28;37;12 - 00;29;00;12
Alessio Summerfield
But I just mean, in general, it's like I think the expectation is like slightly different, especially depending on the project, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. But like in the booth given sort of your character's role, like in the grander thing for Death Stranding to like, I guess, did you have more room to play and kind of go a little off book, considering sort of the.

00;29;00;16 - 00;29;20;21
Jeff Leach
Yeah, because I think, you know, the, the, the, the amount of time that you're in the booth as a, as a more supporting character. Look, if you're, if you're, if you're doing the pcap, if you're doing the mocap, if you're in the suit with the three other core cast members, you know, normally main cast, 4 to 6 people, tops, you know, and that's that's quite a few, actually.

00;29;20;24 - 00;29;35;18
Jeff Leach
If you're doing your scenes with them, you don't want to throw off other actors. You don't want to, leave anyone confused about where we're going next in the script or like, oh, sorry, did I mess up my line? No, no, no you didn't. I just added a little something there. Little flare. Right. And, again, there's more people.

00;29;35;18 - 00;29;56;23
Jeff Leach
You have to be, cognizant of respecting in that space. Whereas when it's me and a director and, a producer and an engineer and you're just playing around, you know, they're bored. They've been sat in that booth probably for eight hours that day. If I'm the last record of the day, you know, they may well have sat there for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours trudging through it.

00;29;56;25 - 00;30;12;22
Jeff Leach
So again, it's like I think it's good business acumen as well. It's, even in that stage, at that level, leave the room with that director, that producer and that engineer all going, hey, that was a fun record. I enjoyed that guy. He's nice because they want you back in the booth then. Yeah. And I always try to make it personal.

00;30;12;27 - 00;30;32;19
Jeff Leach
I'm very. I'm very active. For instance, as a voice actor in the booth, some voice actors sit down. There's always a chair in every voiceover booth. A tall chair, normally standing chair, whatever. Nine times out of ten, they provide a chair. You know, you got a little bottle of water, a little stand, your screen screen in front of you with your lines rolling through and, and your microphones set up around you depending.

00;30;32;19 - 00;30;36;12
Jeff Leach
I think I had I had my confidence one to make it sound a little bit more like I was in space. Oh, nice.

00;30;36;12 - 00;30;43;00
Cam Clarke
But, But you, I just don't understand.

00;30;43;01 - 00;30;58;00
Jeff Leach
Maybe because I come from on stage and onscreen into the world of voiceover, the concept of sitting down and delivering a line. You know, you might be doing an impassioned line. I don't feel I don't I don't believe I'm doing it in the moment.

00;30;58;02 - 00;30;58;05
Cam Clarke
Yeah.

00;30;58;07 - 00;31;13;13
Jeff Leach
So I have to stand up. I have to gesture. And then I also have to make sure I don't slap the microphone while I'm doing that. Yeah, making too much background noise. The last thing they want is the rustle of your shirt or, a bang when you like. You knocked into the the stand that was holding a script or whatever.

00;31;13;15 - 00;31;34;22
Jeff Leach
But as long as you, you know, have some rudimentary level of spatial awareness, I think it adds something to the character to move to, to, to, to gesture, to, to put yourself in the position of your character in the real moment. Yeah. So that if you're listening, when I listen as a, as a player to any video game I play, I really want to believe it.

00;31;34;22 - 00;31;49;14
Jeff Leach
I want to believe those characters either fully immerse me or if they've done a poor job, it fully removes me from the storyline. And, I'm developing a video game myself for the moment. I'm co-creating, a little pixel art jRPG with.

00;31;49;14 - 00;31;49;26
Cam Clarke
Yeah, we've.

00;31;49;27 - 00;32;07;23
Jeff Leach
Got a dear friend of mine and, working on that is is a massive lesson, but I'm going to make sure when we get to the voice stage, there will be no chair. Oh, I want all my actors up. I want them physically involved. I want them to, I want them to really inhabit the characters, you know, and, hear it too.

00;32;07;23 - 00;32;20;25
Alessio Summerfield
Like, maybe. Absolutely. Because, like, maybe it's a placebo effect or whatever, but I feel like I can hear, like, body language. I can hear your face. Like, I can hear it in your voice, you know what I mean? And it's like, I don't know, I feel like sitting with like.

00;32;20;28 - 00;32;38;20
James Reichmuth
Fuck with. Yeah. And I, I think you're on to something with like the, you know, especially coming from like stage acting, you know, being on stage, that type of thing. Like I've directed some stage greetings in the past and even in those it's like, no, I want you on your feet. Even though if you're reading from a script like being on your feet, you get a different level of energy with it.

00;32;38;20 - 00;32;48;19
James Reichmuth
And that's so true in the booth too, where like, you might not see the physicality, but like, like subconsciously you're getting it in. Yeah, I, I completely agree with you. Get those get those chairs out of there.

00;32;48;21 - 00;32;49;27
Cam Clarke
Yeah, yeah.

00;32;49;27 - 00;32;54;12
Jeff Leach
And it was like you're only in there for maybe an hour or two, you know, I mean you just stand up for a little while. You're I.

00;32;54;15 - 00;32;55;12
Cam Clarke
Take it.

00;32;55;14 - 00;32;57;12
Jeff Leach
You get a tea break going, you know, go sit down.

00;32;57;12 - 00;32;58;05
Cam Clarke
Man.

00;32;58;08 - 00;32;59;29
Alessio Summerfield
Just bring in the walker.

00;33;00;04 - 00;33;01;28
Cam Clarke
Yeah. Jeff doesn't want.

00;33;01;29 - 00;33;05;08
Jeff Leach
Any voiceover folks. The voice actors. Anyway, soon enough, we will all be.

00;33;05;12 - 00;33;05;21
Cam Clarke
Yeah.

00;33;05;21 - 00;33;09;01
Jeff Leach
Or be replaced by. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, sorry, Jeff.

00;33;09;03 - 00;33;12;05
Alessio Summerfield
For real though. Tell us more about your game. I want to plug it for our audience.

00;33;12;08 - 00;33;32;11
Jeff Leach
Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean, we're we're under the, under the title, on Genesis, you know, which is the process of of, full development, you know, from, from cocoon to butterfly effectively. So that process of, of, of discovering your own identity, it really will be a game. I'm pouring a lot of my own personal life and story into it.

00;33;32;13 - 00;33;53;16
Jeff Leach
Whilst it's a very, high fantasy science fiction concept, you know, that really deals with, yeah. This is, there's, there's, other races, there's, you know, from other planets. I mean, yeah. There will be a very mixed, mixed cast as well, you know, so there will be different races represented and certainly within our protagonist and our characters.

00;33;53;16 - 00;34;21;06
Jeff Leach
Main characters. You have a, but it's very much geared around a story of chosen identity versus, expected identity. For me, that really manifests in, I spend the majority of my life. I don't wanna get too serious with. For your listeners, I apologize. You know, I've been funding this, but, you know, I suffer with, clinical depression for almost 30 years.

00;34;21;09 - 00;34;33;19
Jeff Leach
I have, navigate addiction. You know, I'm six years sober, and I. Oh. Thank you. Yeah. Well, it was congrats. Congratulate. Yes. Congratulations. Because it definitely was an upgrade. In my experience.

00;34;33;21 - 00;34;34;17
Cam Clarke
But.

00;34;34;20 - 00;34;50;04
Jeff Leach
I went through life pretty soon. I was just, you know, when I was a kid, I was an emo kids, you know, just how many. I'm emo. I'm just like, a big, you know, I'm just as who I am. I'm emotional. I'm a bit like, you know, I'm depressed and moody. Whatever that was kind of. Wow is painted.

00;34;50;06 - 00;35;12;21
Jeff Leach
Therapy was not even something considered. Especially. I had two very working class parents who stiff upper lip and all that, you know, British Cockney dad and and a mother who grew up on the show schools, communist dictatorship in Bucharest, in Romania. So these people went through hardships that I haven't endured. Yeah. And, you know, you just get on, keep your head down, get on with it.

00;35;12;21 - 00;35;29;04
Jeff Leach
You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Therapy, that kind of treatment was not really even on the radar. Now, when I matured and grew up, I realized, oh, I need that, I need therapy. Oh, I need I need to, do some spiritual work here as well. I need to navigate my addiction. I need to find sobriety.

00;35;29;04 - 00;35;50;11
Jeff Leach
I need to do all those things. But I now live completely free of depression. I don't I'm not suggesting I don't have hard days. I'm not suggesting there aren't days where where things can happen that upset me or frustrate me or hurt me. But the difference is now is I have like perfected emotional regulation. So I realize that those things are not happening to me.

00;35;50;11 - 00;36;07;21
Jeff Leach
They're just happening. It's just like, yeah, yeah, you know, this is life, life thing. You either take it personally and you build that into how you view every aspect of your existence. Why why me, why me? The victimhood, you know of it all. And instead now I just go I but something bad happened. I go, well, that's sad and that makes me feel bad.

00;36;07;21 - 00;36;24;21
Jeff Leach
I'll process that. I'll meditate on that little bit. Oh, oh, I'll go and talk to people that I love about it. I'll talk to my partner, you know, and I'll offload to her or call a friend up, or I'll speak to my therapist, who I chat to every week. But within 24 hours, pretty much, I'm like, okay, I've processes happened.

00;36;24;21 - 00;36;43;00
Jeff Leach
I can hold on to that and make that my identity and be miserable. And now let that negative energy build and build and build around me so I can move on and find the next good thing I can move forward and wait. Await the next. But good project. Now for our protagonist girl. That is a major story for his identity.

00;36;43;00 - 00;37;01;16
Jeff Leach
Is is that identity? Except in a much more, science fiction and very, heavily. It's a very it's a it's heavy man. You know this guy? This guy is the star of it. You remember the star of The Last of Us? You know that the first ten minutes of that game. I don't know about you, but I was in tears, you know?

00;37;01;18 - 00;37;02;03
Cam Clarke
But,

00;37;02;06 - 00;37;05;02
Jeff Leach
Yeah, it was it. Sophie, the daughter? When she.

00;37;05;02 - 00;37;06;08
Cam Clarke
Noticed, Sarah.

00;37;06;08 - 00;37;06;21
Jeff Leach
Sarah.

00;37;06;21 - 00;37;08;18
Cam Clarke
Sarah. Was it? Yeah. Oh, man.

00;37;08;18 - 00;37;39;02
Jeff Leach
That first. Yeah. Now we, we we our character is going to go through some things you know, from the beginning of the game, right until the end. But I think the measure of a man, and he is a young man becoming, you know, and maturing through the process, I think, all the way through, he's fighting against an identity that has been laid out for him in a much more scientific and, fantastical way, you know, like, than mine.

00;37;39;08 - 00;37;57;16
Jeff Leach
But I'm still beholding some things. You know, my father had late stage alcoholism and probably was suffering from alcoholism his entire life, but he never really, succumbed to it until his very late, like, years in life. You know, it's, 50, 6070s. And and it took his life, you know, took my dad's life two years ago.

00;37;57;16 - 00;38;17;10
Jeff Leach
Yeah. My best friend Pete, who died three weeks before my dad died. Actually, he he ended up taking his own life because of mental health issues that he couldn't, navigate out of despite desperately trying. So, you know, I look at those two men who were the two most important men in my life that I love more than anything.

00;38;17;15 - 00;38;37;14
Jeff Leach
Both of them are gone because of things that I also struggled with, you know, to the degree where, you know, I had, failed suicide attempts. You know, I had suicide ideation. First part of my depression at points. And I'm glad I failure. In fact, I didn't fail because, you know, I got lucky. I failed because I didn't really want to die, you know, as a bit of a cry for help.

00;38;37;17 - 00;38;52;11
Jeff Leach
Now look again, I realize these are all heavy topics, but I talk about these things because I know the gaming community. I know the nerd community, I when I, when I streamed, I talk openly about these things and it helped a huge amount of people, especially when they go, oh my God, my favorite character in Record of Ragnarok, oh my God, Jack the Ripper is talking about depression.

00;38;52;11 - 00;39;08;21
Jeff Leach
I got that and he's navigate. I mean, well, maybe I could do that or hey, ghost from Call of Duty, suicide ideation and navigate out of that. Especially in the military community. In the veteran community, you know, a lot of mental health issues that that unfortunately, a lot them struggle with. So I know it's been helpful to be open about these things.

00;39;08;22 - 00;39;13;05
Jeff Leach
Most actors don't do that because, you know, it ruins the sheen of Hollywood. Maybe.

00;39;13;08 - 00;39;14;10
Cam Clarke
But for me.

00;39;14;12 - 00;39;46;10
Jeff Leach
I think that it's the stories that audiences are most interested in engaging in these days real, real fans of art. And I think gamers are some of the most artistically cultured people out there in the world. I think that the story that I will put into onto Genesis is going to really, resonate with a lot of people that, hey, you may think that you have to be beholden to this behavior, or you think you may be beholden to this, hereditary trait like my father and I.

00;39;46;15 - 00;40;06;06
Jeff Leach
You may be you may think you're beholden to a state of mind out of which there is no escape, depression, suicidal ideation. But I'm here to tell you. And through this character, Gil, that you can make your own choices. It's a struggle. It's going to be hard. There's going to be dark moments where you feel like giving up, but there's also light at the end of the tunnel.

00;40;06;06 - 00;40;28;21
Jeff Leach
If you stick on that path of evolution of the self, that's what this game is going to be about. And, look, we're at such an early stage in it, you know, this is going to be at least a two and a half year to three year development, until release. But we're working on the trailer right now so we can, you know, do a developing with the asset so we can get, a Kickstarter campaign out there so we can, you know, find our audience base, we can build that community.

00;40;28;25 - 00;40;48;23
Jeff Leach
And then over the next couple of years, share with them the stories we're developing this. Yeah. Minuscule studio, you know, Anti-Hero productions, in a way. Studios who are making the, the game where we're we're small, very small. You know, they'll be probably a total 15 to 20 people will work on this game, including the voice actors.

00;40;48;25 - 00;41;11;28
Jeff Leach
That's the bit I'm also really, really excited about. I don't know if you, you know, because we got the listing up on IMDb. I'll put it up just so I make sure I get everything. I get everything correct here. In terms of the, the names that are involved, etc., but, the cast that we've put together, we really thought about who is this audience, you know, we're we're making a game here for for jRPG fans.

00;41;11;28 - 00;41;32;27
Jeff Leach
We're making a game here for adventure and RPG fans. We're making a game for people who are fans of anime and manga. You know, we really want we really want those people to be recognized and respected. So we'll be making the game in both English and Japanese to start with as well. In terms of voice. And as we get our Kickstarter goals, we'll have stretch goals with different languages all over the world.

00;41;33;04 - 00;41;55;05
Jeff Leach
You know, to make sure we can localize the course we've got. Some of these people have done unbelievably huge things, both in the video game space and the, anime space. You know, people like, Marge, you know, you know, Ryan, Carl Levy, Ryan Cleaver, you know, he's he's Denji in Chainsaw man, you know, which is now blown up in a huge way, as well as a million other video games and anime.

00;41;55;11 - 00;42;17;17
Jeff Leach
You know, you've got Moreau's in arcane, she's in Marvel rivals, League of Legends, Mortal Kombat, you know, huge titles. Chris GI Alex, one of my buddies who I met through Call of Duty now working on that together. And Katie Townsend, also in arcane, also in Call of Duty. So I'm just sad, you know who, who who, is Miss Marvel in, in, Marvel rivals game, etc.?

00;42;17;17 - 00;42;33;13
Jeff Leach
You know, Eric Frau who's done a bunch of GP, sorry, a jRPG and also pixel art games as well, you know, brawler, you know, he's a he's something from some of his classic titles. So we've really thought about putting together a cast that will get people excited, straight off the rip when they, when they. Yeah, yeah, when they get on board.

00;42;33;15 - 00;42;44;05
Jeff Leach
And then of course, in terms of our developers as well, we have people who, really, really successful in this space, you know, from our animator to our developing development team.

00;42;44;07 - 00;42;47;01
Alessio Summerfield
I don't know who did this poster, but it's fucking rad.

00;42;47;08 - 00;42;48;12
Cam Clarke
Like, oh, thank you.

00;42;48;12 - 00;42;53;21
Jeff Leach
Yeah. That's just, I mean, look, it's holding, it's hold, hold on the moment. That would probably be updated in the future.

00;42;53;21 - 00;42;55;15
Alessio Summerfield
But still just super sick. That's awesome.

00;42;55;15 - 00;42;56;00
Jeff Leach
Thank you.

00;42;56;05 - 00;42;56;17
Cam Clarke
Thank you.

00;42;56;24 - 00;43;14;27
Jeff Leach
And we're going for like high end stuff with the you know, like the pixel art. You know, you can have those different pixelated versions. We're going full scale. We want our game to be, you know, the battles will be isometric. We're going to have timed time to text like you found in other titles in the space, like Sea of Stars, for instance, or.

00;43;14;29 - 00;43;22;18
Jeff Leach
Yeah. Are you doing Chronicles, you know, or, or recently expedition 33. Unbelieve really successful.

00;43;22;20 - 00;43;24;02
Cam Clarke
Game. Incredible. Yeah.

00;43;24;04 - 00;43;53;18
Jeff Leach
And also, look, I feel akin to that game, not just the fact that the battle mechanics will will be reminiscent in our game as well. And we're going to have some other stuff that is different to theirs and new to us. But also, there's a small team working on a really beautiful video game, which which was about it's about art, man is art, which I think at the time we live in right now, where AI is replacing what currently 60% or so of the video game industry has been laid off and more to come.

00;43;53;20 - 00;44;03;21
Jeff Leach
I think now more than ever, it's important for people like myself or other artists who are kind of purist in the way they create things, to make something that is skewed that.

00;44;03;21 - 00;44;04;07
Cam Clarke
Way as.

00;44;04;14 - 00;44;08;28
Alessio Summerfield
Well and important to for especially people listening to this to like, champion this kind of shit.

00;44;08;28 - 00;44;26;29
Jeff Leach
I hope so, I hope so, I hope it speaks to them. I hope they, and we'll do all the right things. We'll get the message out there, we'll make sure it's done. But if your core. I believe this about any business, whether it's my stand up comedy, material, whether it's my, my acting as a as a character, you know, when I really try and inhabit characters, even as a voice actor.

00;44;27;06 - 00;44;42;15
Jeff Leach
Like, I really want to learn about the people that I'm voice acting, even if I'm only going to be in that booth for an hour. How do I create the most real version? This, I do think, that, I do think that there's, I've completely lost my train. My train of thought. Sorry, I apologize.

00;44;42;22 - 00;44;43;04
Cam Clarke
No, no, no.

00;44;43;04 - 00;44;45;12
Alessio Summerfield
You're fine. We're talking about championing art and.

00;44;45;12 - 00;44;47;00
Cam Clarke
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;44;47;03 - 00;44;51;11
Jeff Leach
Yeah, I just, I think, well, yeah, I know I had another point that I apologize. I'm okay.

00;44;51;11 - 00;44;53;03
Cam Clarke
It's all good. Ferb, I got.

00;44;53;04 - 00;44;55;20
Jeff Leach
So I got so arty. Guys, I completely lost my.

00;44;55;20 - 00;44;57;25
Cam Clarke
Train of attention.

00;44;57;25 - 00;45;07;27
Alessio Summerfield
Was through the roof. Now I'm kidding. Everybody who's listening, though. Definitely keep an eye out. It's on to Genesis. One word. And we'll definitely plug it. If, like, whenever the Kickstarter comes up.

00;45;07;27 - 00;45;12;23
Jeff Leach
We froze a little there. I think he's frozen. Hey, you back now. You back now! Is he back now?

00;45;12;25 - 00;45;14;05
Alessio Summerfield
But yeah, I was just like.

00;45;14;08 - 00;45;16;26
Jeff Leach
Oh, that was I trying to take us down, man.

00;45;16;29 - 00;45;18;03
Cam Clarke
What about Hunter.

00;45;18;05 - 00;45;19;12
James Reichmuth
Invading right now?

00;45;19;14 - 00;45;21;26
Cam Clarke
Seriously? Yeah.

00;45;21;29 - 00;45;29;09
Alessio Summerfield
Well, Jeff, while I've got you still, I know we we we're coming up somewhat on time. I just wanted to ask, so not only not only are.

00;45;29;09 - 00;45;30;05
Cam Clarke
You got another eight.

00;45;30;05 - 00;45;33;10
Jeff Leach
Minutes at least, brother. Just saying. There we go. Hey, there we go. We go a bit.

00;45;33;11 - 00;45;42;26
Alessio Summerfield
Not only are you in Death Stranding two, and not only were you a voice in smite, both of which are someone named Darren Jacobs, I don't know if you know him or not.

00;45;42;26 - 00;45;44;04
Cam Clarke
I don't know.

00;45;44;07 - 00;45;50;15
Alessio Summerfield
So he plays Heart Man in Death Stranding, but he is also a Hollyoaks alumnus.

00;45;50;21 - 00;45;52;14
Cam Clarke
Oh, and so am I. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;45;52;14 - 00;45;53;15
Alessio Summerfield
So I was gonna ask, he.

00;45;53;15 - 00;45;55;18
Cam Clarke
Was just going. I need to meet. We need to meet. Yeah, yeah.

00;45;55;18 - 00;45;57;09
Alessio Summerfield
His name's Darren Jacobs.

00;45;57;09 - 00;45;58;25
Jeff Leach
He's Darren Jacobs.

00;45;58;29 - 00;46;03;24
Alessio Summerfield
I can't remember what his last name is. I think it was like, Welsh or something. He told us it was Darren Jacobs.

00;46;03;27 - 00;46;09;06
Jeff Leach
I see him, I see him. There we go. Okay. Yeah, I love it. He's got an intense look, hasn't he?

00;46;09;09 - 00;46;11;18
Cam Clarke
Yeah. Yes. He's very.

00;46;11;18 - 00;46;14;06
Jeff Leach
Regal. Very regal and intense.

00;46;14;09 - 00;46;15;12
Alessio Summerfield
Wonderful guy. He.

00;46;15;12 - 00;46;20;15
Jeff Leach
Wears glasses fantastically. One of them. What he should be the poster boy for spectacle wear is across.

00;46;20;15 - 00;46;22;11
Cam Clarke
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00;46;22;13 - 00;46;27;12
Alessio Summerfield
Good, good. Headshots with with with, glasses. But no, I want.

00;46;27;14 - 00;46;30;26
Jeff Leach
Man two Castlevania. Starfield. He's done some amazing projects. Halo.

00;46;30;26 - 00;46;32;12
James Reichmuth
Lovely you pops up everywhere.

00;46;32;12 - 00;46;35;23
Alessio Summerfield
Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I'm sure you guys have been in a lot of the same stuff from time to time, for sure.

00;46;35;24 - 00;46;43;12
Jeff Leach
There is a lot of you know what? There is a lot of crossover like I've done like a multitude now projects with. I just did, I don't know if you guys are predator fans at all.

00;46;43;12 - 00;46;46;08
Alessio Summerfield
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. You're in the animated, the animated film that just came out.

00;46;46;08 - 00;47;04;27
Jeff Leach
Yeah, the feature film on Hulu that just came out literally, a couple of weeks ago, you know, still trending at number one worldwide. Predator, killer of killers, with Dan Trachtenberg, who, again, we want to talk about video game fans and nerds. Who Craig Gray Dan Trachtenberg became. I don't know if you know this little bit of little tidbit for you.

00;47;05;04 - 00;47;23;10
Jeff Leach
He blew up because he made a fanfic film of portal, the video game portal on YouTube. Over a decade ago, maybe 15 years ago. And it became the most viewed short film on YouTube at the time. And that led to opportunities as a director, as a producer, as a script writer for his, for his.

00;47;23;10 - 00;47;23;28
Cam Clarke
Various projects.

00;47;24;03 - 00;47;25;14
Alessio Summerfield
Ten Cloverfield Lane and.

00;47;25;14 - 00;47;46;25
Jeff Leach
Cloverfield Lane. He's directed The Boys, he's directed Stranger Things, he did predator, prey. He's done for. It's a killer of killers. It's on IMDb, on the web. So I can mention that Predator Badlands is directed as well as he's done a trio for them. Now, that guy is, a wonderfully versatile and, wide ranging artist. That's how I look at him.

00;47;46;25 - 00;47;59;26
Jeff Leach
And that's how I've always viewed myself. I'm a Renaissance man. I've never, you know, listen, I'm not the most famous guy and stand out. I'm not the most famous guy in voice acting. I'm not the most famous guy in on screen acting. I'm not the most famous guy in any world. And that's okay, because I it's not about fame for me.

00;47;59;26 - 00;48;15;20
Jeff Leach
It's about doing things that creatively stimulate me. And I'm interested in all these things. So why wouldn't I do all of them? And, you know, my entire career, people tell me, why don't you just pick one thing, bro? Just pick one thing, and then you'll be really, you'll be a big name in it. And I'm like, well, I don't care about being big name.

00;48;15;20 - 00;48;37;29
Jeff Leach
I create, I care about getting thing in my life. Looking back on what I've created and people saying, wow, he really made some great are continuously for the rest of his life and I want my career to do this all the way up until the day I die. So it's a nice slow build to a place where hopefully, you know, Marlon Brando, I'll be sat there with, you know, I'll die on my patio in the south of France somewhere, wearing my southern outfit.

00;48;37;29 - 00;48;47;03
Jeff Leach
Of course, you know, I guess surrounding me and, I'll see if we don't all get blown up in the next few months.

00;48;47;05 - 00;48;47;09
Cam Clarke
Yeah.

00;48;47;14 - 00;49;06;16
Jeff Leach
You know, I'll be sitting there and and I love the idea of of being able to look back on my creative life and say, oh, I made some great art with some incredible artists. I got to live as a Renaissance man. And, and I enjoyed living off the back of that, you know, I've never had to get my sort of normal 9 to 5 since since I left college.

00;49;06;16 - 00;49;21;12
Jeff Leach
And I was already working in, in the same industry before I left there, you know, doing making tea at radio stations. That led to some producing work. I come to some commercial radio station at the age of 18, 19, when I was still at college, you know, learning, so.

00;49;21;14 - 00;49;23;23
Cam Clarke
Yeah. Yeah. So in it.

00;49;23;25 - 00;49;39;08
Jeff Leach
Yeah. Depends what you're chasing. If people who are listening want to get into this industry and they want to be famous, go pick one thing, go hard at it. Do everything you can, step on everyone's grave and guess what? You'll get there. And you'll blow up and you'll be rich and famous. But you might burn out very rapidly.

00;49;39;13 - 00;49;59;04
Jeff Leach
And you might not have enough strings to your bow or my personal vices. If you are creative and passionate about multiple areas of creativity, try them all. Explore them all. Because what I've learned as a scriptwriter has afforded me, development as an actor. What I've learned as an actor has afforded me development as a producer. What I've learned is producer has helped me in the voice booth.

00;49;59;04 - 00;50;17;27
Jeff Leach
Well, a lot of the voice, but etc. etc. you get the concept. And it means that now I can enjoy life where I get to headline in some of the biggest comedy venues in the US, as I'm on the weekends, and then during the week, I get to write scripts with my best friends. You know, Jenny's agreeing now, and McCutcheon for major studios.

00;50;18;04 - 00;50;38;05
Jeff Leach
And then in the evenings, you know, I might be working on, concepts to send over to my animator for the video game and developing. Yeah. And, while I'm living a life and talking openly and honestly about the ups and downs and the insanity of what I've lived, you know, including, attempts on my own life, dying at a music festival, a dress being beaten to.

00;50;38;05 - 00;50;49;10
Jeff Leach
I was almost dead. All sorts of stuff, like crazy stories. I get to then write a book about that. You know, I'm writing a book of memoirs as well, and. And that's fun. That's fun. I get to look back and go, wow, I did all these things.

00;50;49;10 - 00;50;50;19
Cam Clarke
Yeah, yeah, I gave.

00;50;50;19 - 00;51;08;01
Jeff Leach
I gave this level. I look at life as a training ground and also as a, I think we've been trained, I think this existence is to train you to learn, to evolve, to, to be of service to yourself so you can be more of service to other people. I really.

00;51;08;01 - 00;51;10;08
Cam Clarke
Truly, that's what it is.

00;51;10;11 - 00;51;25;24
Jeff Leach
It's a spiritual journey. Don't get too woowoo and deep, you know, it is with you. And if you, Yeah, if you can get to the end of your, your playthrough because it really is like a video game, man, and you go, great. Look, I'm maxed out. So many skill trees here.

00;51;25;24 - 00;51;26;13
Cam Clarke
Yeah, I.

00;51;26;13 - 00;51;35;22
Jeff Leach
Got to it's I look at it like Skyrim, man. All right. I haven't worked on my snake, but we all know we can see that just by adding an elastic band to the controller and walking into a world.

00;51;35;24 - 00;51;38;00
Cam Clarke
Which we've all done right. That's amazing.

00;51;38;05 - 00;51;55;00
Jeff Leach
Absolutely right. But if I, if I can get to the end of my life and look back and look at my entire skill list and go, yo, I maxed out a lot of my skills and I hat and I branched out into more, what would be the correct term like more, cross I, I, I multiclass my.

00;51;55;00 - 00;51;56;06
Cam Clarke
Character in so many.

00;51;56;06 - 00;51;59;18
Jeff Leach
Different ways. I feel good about that. I think that's fun.

00;51;59;20 - 00;52;13;10
Alessio Summerfield
Now for sure. Yeah, I it's funny in a weird way. And I've never I don't know if I've ever, like, consciously admitted this, but. Well, while you were speaking, I was thinking about it. I don't know if you've played like any of the persona games or whatever, but like a little bit like that or like a little bit like earthbound or motherhood or whatever.

00;52;13;10 - 00;52;30;05
Alessio Summerfield
It's like these scenes and it happens in anime all the time where like a character is struggling, and then it cuts to all the people that they've interacted with in their lifetime, and they're all right. Ryan. Hey, for them like that, that's kind of the like. I think for me, it's like at the end of my life, I would love to just know that there are people who give a shit, enough.

00;52;30;09 - 00;52;31;07
Jeff Leach
It's going to be a montage.

00;52;31;08 - 00;52;33;19
Cam Clarke
Their energy. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

00;52;33;20 - 00;52;34;03
Alessio Summerfield
No, man.

00;52;34;03 - 00;52;39;08
Cam Clarke
That's that's all I can believe. Alicia's gone, but thank God you helped me start that farm.

00;52;39;11 - 00;52;51;22
Jeff Leach
You know, whatever it is. Yeah. I mean, dude, listen, there's one way to find that out, and I feel like everyone should do this. I think when you get old and you feel like. All right, I'm getting towards the end of my life. I don't want to have a big celebration. When I get. When I'm dead, I don't want to be like, I don't want to lie.

00;52;51;29 - 00;53;08;03
Jeff Leach
Yeah, I have a little. There should be a little ceremony for the people who really cared about me. But honestly, the way that I perceive existence, you know, once I'm dead, you know, I rejoin the one energy of all things, you know, God, whatever you want to call it. And we just become we we're united again. So I don't think I would be an impact.

00;53;08;03 - 00;53;29;04
Jeff Leach
However, I would love to have a celebration of life before I'm dead. You know what I mean? Like, get all the people you love most in a room. Let's share some stories. Let's, let's have some memories together. So then when you you pop your clogs a few years later, I go, I, you know, I got to actually, like, be a part of a celebrate this man already, you know, and he, you know, he was loved and supported.

00;53;29;04 - 00;53;33;03
Alessio Summerfield
So I love that. That's awesome. I'm going to steal that idea. I'm going to be there.

00;53;33;06 - 00;53;40;22
Jeff Leach
You know, stealing is yours, bro. I don't own it. It's free. That's right. That's open source. They got you. That's open source content right there. That's a that's a DLC.

00;53;40;22 - 00;53;45;02
Alessio Summerfield
This free I love that. James, do you have any other questions as weird?

00;53;45;02 - 00;54;02;14
James Reichmuth
Yeah, I think we covered it. I, I did want to say that, like, I really appreciate you one pouring so much of yourself into that story. I think, like the mental health journey, especially in today's world, is so important to be talking about. And so I think your listeners especially will really appreciate your perspective there.

00;54;02;14 - 00;54;08;18
Jeff Leach
And also a good fucking game. Don't get me wrong, we're not. That's right. Create an entire game based on all well.

00;54;08;25 - 00;54;09;19
Cam Clarke
My mental health.

00;54;09;19 - 00;54;32;28
Jeff Leach
Struggles because I think then you get a little sycophantic. It's a little, you know, you're you're capitalizing on your what your mental health journey. I don't yeah I don't want that to be the case. I'm just pouring that into the character because I think it's important, you know, chosen identity rather than expected, projected or inherited identity. Choose who you want to be and how you treat other people, you know, and that's.

00;54;32;28 - 00;54;42;25
Alessio Summerfield
Well, and that's that's huge for everybody. It's age, people with depression, trans people, gay people who've been kicked out of their homes because their parents are awful or whatever. Like, I think that's a huge message for a lot of people. Correct? Yeah.

00;54;42;29 - 00;55;02;13
Jeff Leach
But also make sure your game is fun to play is, it's challenging. It's exciting. The artwork is gorgeous. Like, do not overlook the importance of developing a wonderful video game that people will enjoy playing. But also, if you can put a personal message in there, I think you're your audience will just they will just connect with the character on a much more deep level.

00;55;02;13 - 00;55;02;25
Jeff Leach
That's the heart.

00;55;02;26 - 00;55;04;14
Cam Clarke
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. We'll see.

00;55;04;21 - 00;55;07;04
Jeff Leach
See, man, come back to me in three years time. We'll do another one of these.

00;55;07;08 - 00;55;09;01
Cam Clarke
Yeah. For it.

00;55;09;03 - 00;55;10;09
Jeff Leach
We'll see what the critics.

00;55;10;09 - 00;55;12;00
Cam Clarke
Score is you know. Yeah.

00;55;12;00 - 00;55;13;28
Alessio Summerfield
Well I well what what's a 62.

00;55;13;28 - 00;55;37;23
Jeff Leach
Sorry I mentioned predator killer killers on on Hulu. You know which people can watch. That's like trending I think it's like it was 98% on Rotten Tomatoes. The audience loved it. You know, it spoke to them because they they gave the audience what they wanted. And they built it around three very personal stories of these three sort of major protagonists through time, who then have their, you know, it leaves it nice and open at the end, of course, you know, for a potential.

00;55;37;23 - 00;55;52;10
Jeff Leach
Yeah. You got sequels of that as well. And again, they didn't, they didn't they didn't, they didn't hold back on creating something unique with beautiful artwork. And it was done at a very high level. So, you know.

00;55;52;12 - 00;55;53;22
Cam Clarke
It's the.

00;55;53;24 - 00;56;04;18
Alessio Summerfield
Jeff, it's been a pleasure. I had like, I want to be honest with you, like, obviously I've seen your stuff online and all that jazz, but I didn't know how the hell this was going to go. So thank you so much for for diving in with us. And man.

00;56;04;18 - 00;56;06;07
Cam Clarke
I'm glad you enjoyed it.

00;56;06;10 - 00;56;08;23
Alessio Summerfield
And I'm sure we'll all. Well, I'll keep an eye out for Pierre.

00;56;08;24 - 00;56;09;26
James Reichmuth
Yeah. For sure.

00;56;09;28 - 00;56;26;01
Jeff Leach
Yeah, please. And, hey, listen, do you mind me saying if anyone is like, obviously, I want, you know, gamers to come in and come and check out my content, come and hang out, maybe be interested in a new game. So, you know, just add Jeff Leach, ACH on everything if you can give me a follow. But but also if you're a stand up fan as well.

00;56;26;01 - 00;56;29;06
Jeff Leach
I do do that. That's like what I, I do live.

00;56;29;08 - 00;56;29;20
Cam Clarke
Three.

00;56;29;20 - 00;56;49;06
Jeff Leach
Or four different careers all at once, in fact, probably five now, you know, the acting, the voice acting, the stand, the script writing and the producing. But, I'm touring around a lot this year. I just got a new book, and I'll be headlining all comedy clubs all over the country. So, you know, if people, are around, since I know, I've got gigs in, West Covina, California.

00;56;49;06 - 00;57;08;06
Jeff Leach
I'm, headlining for the July 3rd, fourth, fifth and sixth, the LA factory. Then I'll be going out to, The Funny Bone in Cincinnati on July 30th. Funny bone. Oh, goodness. It, Oh, God, I've got to look it up. I've got to look it up. So I should done this before 1/31.

00;57;08;06 - 00;57;19;22
Jeff Leach
I will be at the funny Bone. Oh, no, wait. So I'm at Cincinnati, Funny Bone on July 30th. Then I'm at the.

00;57;19;24 - 00;57;26;26
Cam Clarke
Oh, God, I should be before. So you're so and unprofessional. Columbus. Columbus.

00;57;26;26 - 00;57;42;09
Jeff Leach
Funny bone on the 31st of July as well. And then I'll be headlining in Las Vegas at the Comedy Cellar, for a week in July, and then Brad Garrett's Comedy Club for a week in Vegas in August. So I'm I'm out there. I'm I'm around. So come inside and have a laugh with me as well.

00;57;42;11 - 00;57;43;00
Cam Clarke
Yeah, yeah.

00;57;43;01 - 00;57;44;28
Alessio Summerfield
Get a rep, get a rep. Comedy cellar I love.

00;57;44;28 - 00;57;45;22
Cam Clarke
There you go man.

00;57;45;25 - 00;58;04;17
Jeff Leach
Oh, man. It's like I mean, they brought me to America, so I will always have love in my heart. Deep love in my heart. For the comedy club and the book store and the owner gnome because they, they really they really help, you know, bring me here and, and, set me up with, you know, performances at the best comedy venue in the world, you know, which I truly believe it to me.

00;58;04;20 - 00;58;11;06
Alessio Summerfield
Yeah. That intersection is so great because it's like comedy out seller Blue Note, IFC. Like, all right there.

00;58;11;06 - 00;58;12;22
Jeff Leach
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you are you based in New York?

00;58;12;22 - 00;58;13;01
Cam Clarke
Are you there?

00;58;13;01 - 00;58;14;18
Alessio Summerfield
I was in New York for about seven years.

00;58;14;21 - 00;58;31;16
Jeff Leach
So you know that. Yeah, that that Greenwich Village, that that spot is just the bustling spot. It's where it all is. I think it's so many rooms now. They had the original room downstairs and they opened The Fat Black Pussycat and, and, downstairs, they had, like, got the room downstairs. Then they turned the two upstairs bars into two more rooms.

00;58;31;16 - 00;58;32;06
Jeff Leach
So that's why I want.

00;58;32;07 - 00;58;33;04
Cam Clarke
To do that.

00;58;33;07 - 00;58;37;00
Jeff Leach
Three, four rooms. And now they've got another venue on that street opening up.

00;58;37;02 - 00;58;37;16
Cam Clarke
That's awesome.

00;58;37;16 - 00;58;43;28
Jeff Leach
Which will have another two rooms in it. So they're going to have six rooms. And that doesn't include the comedy venue in Vegas as well.

00;58;43;28 - 00;58;44;15
Cam Clarke
So yeah.

00;58;44;15 - 00;58;49;21
Alessio Summerfield
Yeah, yeah. Anybody listening to have that much real estate in New York is amazing. Like.

00;58;49;24 - 00;58;50;04
Cam Clarke
Wow.

00;58;50;10 - 00;58;52;13
Jeff Leach
Well, I'm not sure if they own all the spaces. Yeah.

00;58;52;15 - 00;58;53;20
Alessio Summerfield
So I know, I know, but to like.

00;58;53;21 - 00;58;55;15
Jeff Leach
Yeah, it's around that stuff out and.

00;58;55;17 - 00;58;55;24
Cam Clarke
Yeah.

00;58;55;24 - 00;59;01;07
Jeff Leach
And to pack every room, every single show, every night of the week is wild. Is wild, you know.

00;59;01;08 - 00;59;01;19
Cam Clarke
Yeah.

00;59;01;26 - 00;59;05;08
Alessio Summerfield
So. Well, all right, man, I know you, you've got a busy schedule. You got another show coming up.

00;59;05;08 - 00;59;06;04
Cam Clarke
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we.

00;59;06;04 - 00;59;09;21
Jeff Leach
Thank you. I but I appreciate you guys. That was me monologuing at you.

00;59;09;21 - 00;59;11;06
Cam Clarke
So sorry.

00;59;11;10 - 00;59;14;13
James Reichmuth
Yeah, this was fantastic. That's what we were looking for. Jeff. This was awesome.

00;59;14;16 - 00;59;30;10
Jeff Leach
Thank you, dudes. And, and let me know what you think of the game as well. Please reach out. Let me know what you think of Pierre. I hope you enjoy him. And, hopefully makes you chuckle. Fear the lines, Mr. Buck.

00;59;30;13 - 00;59;32;14
Jeff Leach