Integrating Science & Spirit in Trauma Healing

This episode of "Healer Within" features holistic psychotherapist and Reiki Master Teacher, Jodi Silverman, who discusses her innovative practice, Soul Woven Therapy.

The core focus is the ethical integration of clinical neuroscience and spiritual energy work to heal trauma and chronic pain. Silverman details her signature framework, which merges evidence-based modalities (Polyvagal Theory, Brainspotting) with energetic practices.

A key topic is Reiki Assisted Psychotherapy (RAP): the intentional use of Reiki energy as a co-therapist to help shift clients from states of trauma dysregulation (fight/flight/freeze) into the ventral vagal state of safety and connection. Silverman explains how she bridges the body’s nervous system (focused on survival) with the soul (focused on coherence and growth).

This discussion is crucial for clinicians interested in trauma-informed, mind-body healing, and those seeking to train in the ethical application of RAP.

Jodi Silverman, LCSW, is a co-teacher of Psychotherapeutic Reiki, training clinicians to weave this practice into trauma-informed care.

Connect with Jodi: therachihealing.com | journeywithkindredsouls.com

#ReikiAssistedPsychotherapy | #PolyvagalTheory | #TraumaTherapy | #NervousSystemRegulation

For soul-led leadership and business breakthroughs, connect with Executive Performance Hypnotist Amy Marohn here: https://sensoriumhypnosis.com/executive-performance-hypnosis/

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Transcript

 Sunday, 11/23/25

Join Healer Within podcast host and Executive Performance Hypnotist Amy Marohn as she interviews Psychotherapist Jodi Silverman, LCSW on "Integrating Science & Spirit in Trauma Healing." 

Speaker 1 (00:02):

Hello, and welcome back to Healer Within. This is Amy Marohn, your host. And today I have a very special guest, Jodi Silverman. She is a holistic psychotherapist, Reiki master, teacher and founder of the Healing and Journey with Kindred souls blending neuroscience, energy psychology, and spiritual wisdom. Jodi helps clients heal relational trauma and chronic pain by restoring regulation and resonance in the nervous system. Her signature framework, soul woven therapy, integrates polyvagal informed psychotherapy, brain spotting, reiki assisted psychotherapy, the safe and sound protocol, and HeartMath coherent practices to help the nervous system find safety so the soul can remember its wholeness. Jodi also co-teaches psychotherapeutic Reiki with Elizabeth Hyde, training clinicians to we to weave Reiki into trauma-informed psychotherapy. Through her podcast, the Spiritually Curious Therapist and her educational platform journey with kindred souls, she bridges science and spirit guiding others toward embodied healing, restored coherence and soul level transformation. Jodi, welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:27):

Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Oh,

Speaker 1 (01:29):

I'm so happy to, to have you here. Jodi, I have so many questions for you. The repertoire of tools that you use, your educational background your whole spiritual side, there's so much to learn and so much to know. What I would, the place where I would love to start, Jodi, is to ask you to help us understand the beginning of your journey as a psychotherapist and how you got from where you were to where you are now with all of these spiritually infused tools.

Speaker 2 (02:09):

That's a great question. So let me see if I can give you a <laugh>, a a, a concise answer. Because it is a very kind of windy journey, and I imagine it will continue to be windy because that seems to be how I roll, which is partly why there are so many tools and so many pieces to what you just shared. I'm listening to it and I'm like, wow, I'm really all over the place <laugh>, and I'm really, I'm not because there's like a foundation that pulls me together. But but I am, you know, my, my podcast, the Spiritually Curious Therapist, I am curious. And so when something piques my interest, I tend to get really into it, and I go down those rabbit holes and I pull out what speaks to me, and then I go down the next one. And so I, like, I'm a, I collect things along the way mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (03:06):

And the interesting thing is that what I'm really starting to notice is the convergence of all of these things. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And how they come together, which is where soul woven therapy came from. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. It's the weaving of all of these different approaches and tools and ways of seeing the world as a way of bringing coherence and regulation to not only individuals, but to humanity as a whole. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So I'll back up from there. Sure. And just tell you a a little bit about my history. I am, I'm a I'm a licensed clinical social worker. So I graduated from University of Pennsylvania back in 1995 with a Master's in social work, and I immediately went to work in group homes for adolescent girls, and from there, I just, as most social workers do, you know, like I just kept kind of moving positions, growing and learning along the way.

Speaker 2 (04:08):

I landed in a community mental health center and ended up staying there for about 23 years. But while there I had several different positions, I was lucky enough to be supported in not only trying different, trying on different roles, but also being able to create roles and then stepping into them mm-hmm <affirmative>. So somehow the universe spirit has kind of provided me with these opportunities to, to step into my curiosity and grow from them. And even, I'll say even going back further before I ended up in, in social work school, that that was not my intention going into college. I actually wanted to be a lawyer initially mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I, I made majored in psychology, minored in criminal justice, got a job at a law firm, and worked there throughout, throughout college and, and, but quickly realized like being a lawyer is not really what I wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (05:10):

Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And I wasn't sure where to go from there. And social work kind of was broad enough mm-hmm <affirmative>. That it gave me an opportunity to to to study, you know, human behavior and social justice and things of that nature mm-hmm <affirmative>. So it just seemed like the best fit at the time. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So fast forward 23 years at this community mental health center, and there was some changeover in leadership during that time. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Being who I am, I dibbled and dabbled in a gazillion different things. I mean, I was like the queen of like starting or even fantasizing about starting small businesses mm-hmm <affirmative>. But like never actually doing it. Everything from like multi-level, you know, those multi-level marketing Sure. Or whatever they are businesses. And I looked at a couple of franchises and, you know, I would do all the research and write a business plan and Uhhuh <affirmative>, but I always ended up just kind of falling back on my full-time job because at the time I had two young kids mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (06:20):

We needed the income, it was stability. I mean, it's scary to, to walk away, you know, from something that's stable. And but within, in that timeframe, I went to Maui on a family vacation. We were staying with friends of ours, and the wife of the couple was a reiki master. And I didn't even know what reiki was. It was actually my husband who was like, oh, you should, you should learn about reiki while we're here. And I'm like, Reiki, what is this? Reiki. And so I asked her about it, and she was very gracious, and she like took a whole day to train me and attune me and give me, yeah. And just like introduced me to the energy and it, and I was blown away by it. Mm. And so I came back home, went on to get trained and attuned in level two mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (07:14):

And, and my master teacher. And over the years I've gone on to do, you know, with Holy fire and Una and shamanic reiki and other things mm-hmm <affirmative>. But reiki was really what I think opened the idea of the integration of energy into he healing work in this way. It kind of gave me a framework for doing that. Prior to that, I was, I very into, you know, past life regression. I learned emotional freedom technique. Yeah. I learned, you know, all, all the all the, you know, like the, the secret, all the metaphysical stuff I've been into, into my, my whole life. Like, none of this, none of this was new to me. It's always been something I've been interested in. I, you know, I had tarot cards when I was 18 years old, you know, trying to understand them and playing with them and reading them uhhuh, but reiki just kind of was like, oh, here's this, here's this like, framework for all of this.

Speaker 2 (08:12):

Right. Completely. Yes. So what happened was I started, I, I came back from, from Maui, got further training, and at tuning I started doing reiki out of my home for like friends and family mm-hmm <affirmative>. And there was a therapist, actually, my neighbor's friend was a therapist who, who I also knew. I was doing reiki sessions for them, and she was so blown away by it. She was like, oh my gosh, would, would you, would, can I send some clients to you? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So I started to work with her. I started to do some workshops with her, and at some point, like I, I started to get uncomfortable having people I didn't know in my home. Yeah. So I asked her, would she mind, can I, can I sublet her office to do reiki in her office? And at that point, she said, well, you know, would you be interested in coming to work for me?

Speaker 2 (09:02):

And I'm work, work for you doing what? <Laugh>? Yeah. And, and she said, psychotherapy. And I was like, psychotherapy, like, Hmm, let me think about this. And it just was one of those things that just felt right. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So my work in the community mental health center was some direct service, but mostly administrative, supervisory program development mm-hmm <affirmative>. That kind of stuff. Mm-Hmm. Sure. And even though I had a clinical license and I was using it on a higher level mm-hmm <affirmative>. I, I had never done private practice work mm-hmm <affirmative>. So I ended up going to work for her in her practice as a therapist. And my intention was to bring Reiki into that, but it really became difficult, like lugging my table around and it wasn't my space and Right. It's like a whole thing. So eventually Reiki just kind of fell into the background for a little while, and, you know, people would ask, are you still doing reiki?

Speaker 2 (10:01):

I was like, eh, not as much as I would like to, but you know, I'm doing this other thing. And what I know now is that like, is that it needed to, so that I could grow my skills and confidence as a psychotherapist. Sure. So, fast forward, you know, eight years later, pandemic, everything changes. You know, therapists go online now. And it wasn't really working for me to be in her practice anymore. And so I, I separated from her and went out on my own. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So I was doing that part-time still at the community mental health agency. Ownership or, or leadership changed, and I saw the writing on the wall that I was likely going to be let go. So I, I kind of manifested this whole mm-hmm <affirmative>. Thing of being, of being let go with a severance so that I could open my own practice and not have to worry a little cushion, a softer landing. I was Yes. A very soft landing. And it's funny, I went back and I had started a journal back then, and I, and I had said, okay, this is my three months. The first 30 days is going to be allowing, the second 30 days is manifesting, and the third 30 days is taking action. And in that first month was when I was actually let go. And I was like, can I curse on here? Sure. <laugh>. I was like, holy. <Laugh> is happening way quicker.

Speaker 2 (11:42):

Yeah. Be careful. Be careful what you wish for. Yeah. Completely. My manifesting skills were on. So, yeah. So, so I, at that point, I had already, I had already gotten an office, and I had, I made sure that the office was big enough that I could leave my table in there. Yeah. Yeah. So that was one of the criteria. And I had already started to like kind of build this idea, at least starting to manifest in my, in my mind the this idea of, of a holistic practice mm-hmm <affirmative>. Bringing reiki and spirituality into the work

Speaker 1 (12:19):

That, that sounds, so, I, I I call it the divine architecture of spirit. Yeah. Right. Where things just start happening. And it allows us to just sync all of these, these tools or all of these higher visions together. What an incredible story. Jodi, thank you. Did, did you wanna, I, I, I, I really wanna get into on a deeper level more about reiki. What, what, what you experienced way back when, what you've experienced in, in terms of growth as a reiki practitioner and how you integrate that tool into your holistic work.

Speaker 2 (13:06):

Absolutely. I love that you asked that question. So let's see. It has definitely been a learning curve and continues to be a learning curve. And certainly I believe, you know, spirit has been guiding me. My team has been guiding me all along the way. Although sometimes it's hard to remember that in those moments when you're feeling a little frustrated, a little bit lost a little bit. Like, what, just tell me what to do. But so, so the interesting thing is, I, what I liked about Reiki was, or is that all it, it was, at the end of the day, all you're really doing is using your intention and allowing the healing, like giving, providing space for the healing to happen. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Yes. And you know, what I'm aware of now, and, and I'll circle back to this, but it's, it's an important link, is that that's, that's what all, that's what all healing mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (14:12):

Is about. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Right? Is, it's, it's all about holding that space, that co-regulation, that resonance, that dual attunement, paying attention to what's happening within you, what's happening with the person you're with, and what's happening in the field between you and, and keeping that that vibration as high as possible. Yes. And that's really what, at the end of the day, what reiki is. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And, you know, I, I, like I said, I, you know, I was, I was introduced to it initially, level one Maui, also level two. I had the traditional isu I for those people, for those of your listeners who, who know reiki at the traditional OSU master level training, and then later did the holy fire and did the una. And like, there's so many different ways people are using reiki in attunements now, in like in the western world, that it can get a little bit overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (15:05):

And a lot of people, you know, reiki in, in some circles has kind of gotten this like bad rap, because anybody can, can take a reiki training, anybody can be attuned to reiki. We all have access to it. It's life force energy, it's pure consciousness. Reiki, reiki is everything. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. We all have access. The attunement is a relational experience that provides us, I think, with the ability to tune into the energy a little bit more, but we, it's everywhere. We all have it. But anybody could be a Reiki practitioner. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So what we, there, there's just, there's potential for like, for lack of a better way of saying it, for like the market to be a little bit flooded and for the experiences to be somewhat diluted. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So I just wanna name that because I think that that's out there in the world.

Speaker 2 (15:58):

Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. What I have learned in terms of bringing Reiki into psychotherapy in particular, is that we are not using, we are not giving people, it's, it's not your typical reiki treatment that you would get at. We, we call it like community reiki that you would get at, let's say like a spa or a salon or something like that. We are using the energy to support the psychotherapy process. Mm-Hmm. So it's a little, it's, it's a, yeah. It's a little bit of a different take on it, which has been a really interesting progression. So what happened was, I, when I broke off and, and decided I was gonna start my own private practice and, you know, I had my reiki table in the room, and I started to offer this service called integrative reiki, which was like a combination of like reiki and tarot cards and processing.

Speaker 2 (16:56):

And I, I offered it initially at a very low fee, like 30 bucks or something like that. And I even offered it like, free for other healers and therapists, and I had lots of interest, but once I started like putting it out there, like my full fee, the, the interest kind of weaned a little bit, which I thought was interesting. So that, like, never really took off. And in the, it's really hard once you're set up as a psychotherapist to be like, oh, by the way, here's my reiki table. Would you like reiki also? Right. Like, how do you like, introduce that to people? Right. So that became a little bit convoluted, and I was also started to do a deep dive. You know, one of my deep dives was into ketamine assisted psychotherapy. Yes. Uhhuh <affirmative>. Right. So we know, right. All of the psychedelic assisted stuff and that, and that whole world is a very spiritually driven world.

Speaker 2 (17:48):

And I was like, oh my gosh, this is like amazing. This, you know, this is, this is my jam. This is what I'm into. And so I took a, I took training, I joined some, some supervision groups and some consultation and learned a lot, and really, like amazing people doing this work. But I ended up stopping short because when it came to, like, at that time when it came to like getting liability insurance and like thinking about what that would actually look like in terms of somebody coming to my office and taking ketamine and me sitting with them in a journey all by myself mm-hmm <affirmative>. I started to get a little bit nervous. Sure. sure. And even there were some people who were doing it with folks online, like, you would be at home taking ketamine and I would be supporting you on this side of the screen. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. That made me a little bit nervous. Sure. And what I realized as I was kind of processing that was, if people are doing ketamine in therapist's office mm-hmm <affirmative>. I can do reiki

Speaker 1 (18:44):

<Laugh> a hundred percent. Right. Julia, I love that that was your aha moment, because Yeah. I, I, you know, I, we have all these amazing energies at our disposal, and they're powerful. And yeah. One could certainly argue more powerful than these substances. And I've been lambasted for saying that <laugh>, but kindred spirits. Jodi, I, yeah. I love, love that you piece that together. So share more about that. That's great.

Speaker 2 (19:19):

Part of what happened is I did my own ketamine journey and what I, as I was doing it, and when I came, when I came out of it, was kind of reflecting on it, I was like, oh, that felt a lot like a reiki session.

Speaker 1 (19:31):

Mm.

Speaker 2 (19:32):

And so that was part of how I started to make that connection. Yeah. And, and I think you're right. I mean, the, the medicine, you know, I, I have total respect and honor Sure. For, for the medicine, especially plant medicine, which ketamine is not, it's got Sure. It's got its own, you know pros and cons, but mm-hmm <affirmative>. And, you know, this reiki is another option. Like this, this is another way to help somebody enter an altered state. Yes. That has a lot fewer risks.

Speaker 1 (20:07):

Sure. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (20:09):

Right. So I, I, that, that was like kind of my like foray into like, okay, I'm coming out of the closet here and I'm just gonna start offering this. So I put it on my website mm-hmm <affirmative>. And a woman from Canada mm-hmm <affirmative>. Contacts me mm-hmm <affirmative>. And says, oh, I see you offer psychotherapeutic reiki, so do I mm-hmm <affirmative>. Would you be willing to do, would you be willing to supervise me? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And I emailed her back and I said, oh my gosh. So great to meet you. I don't think I'm the <laugh> that I have the enough experience to supervise you, but I would be happy to do peer supervision. Sure. So this is my, my dear colleague Liz Hydes mm-hmm <affirmative>. Who, so that was about two years ago now, two and a half years ago now mm-hmm <affirmative>. And together we, we started a Facebook group and we train people in psychotherapeutic reiki, well, we call it reiki assisted psychotherapy, but we are using psychotherapeutic, the psychotherapeutic reiki framework, which was developed by Dr. Richard Curtin.

Speaker 2 (21:19):

So one of the things we had in common, I guess is like using that terminology way back when in, like, when I got my initial reiki training mm-hmm <affirmative>. I, you know, did a Google search, you know, reiki and psychotherapy mm-hmm. Reiki therapy. And I stumbled across this book, psychotherapeutic Reiki mm-hmm <affirmative>. Written by Dr. Richard Curtin, who's a psychologist who decided to start using reiki in his psychotherapy practice. So he has this whole framework. He's, he wrote this book back in 2014. Liz and I both, like, were using the terminology and we're referencing the book, and we decided to reach out to Richard. Wow. So we contacted Richard. He is the most like, beautiful, amazing human. He's now retired, and he has been supporting us through this whole process. And he's been, he's come to our supervision groups, he comes to our trainings. He's been amazing.

Speaker 2 (22:17):

So we've just been kind of developing this mm-hmm <affirmative>. As we've been going along. And, and, you know, some of the things that we have learned is, you know, one of the biggest fears is like, how do I bring this into my psychotherapy practice in an ethical and legal way? Yeah. So we've had to do a lot of work around that. There, there are other people out there who have done some trainings around that and done done a deeper dive into like the logistics we did. We had a lawyer come and talk to us about how to word things. And that's why we call it reiki assisted psychotherapy, and not, we re reiki assisted psychotherapy, which I took from ketamine assisted psychotherapy, because what, what we're doing is psychotherapy. We're using reiki to assist the process. Sure. Sure. and through our teaching, so we've now taught three cohorts and then we've also done a clinical level training mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (23:13):

All amazing, amazing groups. And we've learned so much along the way. And what I'll share with folks is, again, so this is kind of coming back full circle, is the way in which we bring reiki into our practices is more of, we call, you know, we call reiki the co-therapist mm-hmm <affirmative>. So again, we're, we're not ne, although sometimes people might get on the table that's not, that's not always necessary mm-hmm <affirmative>. Because reiki is always in the room. Yeah. And so we use the energy to guide us, to support us in staying regulated and coherent. We use the energy to create a to create a frame of coherence within the therapy room. We will guide people in, you know, guided imagery, bringing the energy in. And what happens is, and this is just, you know, you can plop it really into any theoretical perspective, but for me, because I work very heavily from a polyvagal theory framework mm-hmm. Is that reiki shifts people from that sympathetic or collapsed state into the safe, connected, ventral vagal state where they are better able to access difficult emotions, memories and thoughts, and process them without getting re-traumatized. Mm-Hmm

Speaker 1 (24:45):

<Affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (24:45):

Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So we really kind of, we've kind of developed this approach where we're not necessarily giving a reiki treatment like you might get at, you know, at the spa, but we are intentionally bringing the energy into support the process mm-hmm <affirmative>. Of healing holistically,

Speaker 1 (25:04):

Jodi, that's so next level and absolutely beautiful integration of the spiritual with the more conventional approach. And I can tell, I mean, it, it is pioneer level stuff. You've really taken something and you've made it your own. Which, which is brilliant. And I think the true mark of an entrepreneur is, is to bring forth something that doesn't readily exist in the marketplace. That's when we know it's, you know, soul inspired or heart inspired. Jodi, and thank you so much. I mean, I'm, I'm learning so much from what you are sharing, what I'm curious about is, you know, your spiritual side. You had referenced maybe a, a spirit team. I, I, I would love to know more about the relationship that you've built with the etheric realm and how that guides and helps you in your work.

Speaker 2 (26:13):

This is a tricky question. I have a, I have a feeling that my team actually sent you to ask me this question. <Laugh>.

Speaker 1 (26:20):

<Laugh>. There you go. There you go. I believe it. I,

Speaker 2 (26:24):

Yeah, because I, I sort, I circle around this a lot. You know, as I mentioned and I, I've been thinking about it a lot. I've, I've always been kind of spiritually metaphysically inclined, you know, like, it, it was never not a thing for me. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Growing up, we, we would, would talk about spirits all the time. We, you know, we were always calling on our parking, our parking spirit guide to help us find parking. Love it. Love it. Yeah. The parking spots. Right. I, I had, you know, I had a Ouija board incident, you know, when I was 16, where we actually had to throw out the Ouija board. And so it was, and, and I've had people throughout my life, family members who just, it, it was just a part of mm-hmm <affirmative>. Part of who we, we were kind of growing up.

Speaker 2 (27:16):

There was never a question necessarily, but also never really like a full all in. So I've always been kind of walking this tightrope of like, oh yeah, that's all, that's just always been there and always been a belief, part of my belief system to like, what is it really? Yeah. And so throughout my life, I've had these like experiences, but I tend to, I've tended to like either minimize them or forget about them. I, I talk about, like, I have these periods in my life where I'm either like awake or asleep mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so, like, you know, there was a long period of time, especially after having my kids, you know, I've got two kids that I'm raising and I'm working and, you know, married, you know, like there's all it, it's like the being human things that you have to do. Yeah. And you're just trying to get through day to day to day.

Speaker 2 (28:13):

And like, I forget all about like this whole spiritual part of my life mm-hmm <affirmative>. And then I'd, and then I'd feel really like off or dysregulated and realize, oh, I haven't been, haven't been doing my practices, I haven't been, you know connected. And then I'll come back around and I'll get back into it. Right. And I think a lot of people kind of do this Yeah. Because we've got one foot in, you know, in Yeah. Doing the things we have to do and as humans and like this other foot in this other place. And, you know, I, you know, I have to wonder is some of that like spiritual, you know, did I have my periods of spiritual bypassing? I'm sure I did. Yeah. but I love, I've always loved to play in that realm. And so, like reiki would do do that for me.

Speaker 2 (29:04):

Oh. I also, like, I, I got trained in integrated energy techniques EFT tarot cards. Like I lo I've always been drawn to the energy of those things. Mm. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So, but I've always, also always just been on that line Sure. If that, if that makes sense. Yeah. Right. Toggling between the earth realm, <laugh> and the spirit realm. Yeah. Uhhuh, I mean, and, and, and I, you know, and that's why I said I think my, my team asked, sent, you know, sent that question to you because I think that's the way, what I'm coming to realize and trying really hard to accept, radically accept is the way my team communicates with me is through other people. Oh, Uhhuh, <affirmative>. Right. So, like, I am not, I'm, I'm, I'm not somebody even in doing reiki mm-hmm <affirmative>. You know, like throughout my trainings and people I've met along the way, there are, there are people who, who hear the energy, see the energy, you know, like get all sorts of visions and intuitions.

Speaker 2 (30:12):

And I don't, I, I can feel it. I can feel the energy on, on my hand, you know, like I can feel it and I can move it and I can, you know, shift it, but I I'm not necessarily dialed in in that way, which is can be frustrating. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Especially when you've got someone next to and being like, oh, and I see your, you know, your, your chakra is opening and I'm like, where? Show off. Yeah. And there's, there's this purple surrounding you. I'm like, where? Like, I don't see it, you know, I don't,

Speaker 1 (30:44):

So, so you feel it

Speaker 2 (30:46):

Though? I I, I do. Like, I feel it on, on my hands, but there, but there's just, there have been some Yeah. Moments of, of, of frustration and and there was a time too where I felt like I was a little bit more open, you know? And I think this is for any of us, like mm-hmm. You know, it, it ebbs and flows depending on what state your nervous system Sure. Is in, I think Sure. What vibration you're actually embodying. Yeah. But I al go ahead.

Speaker 1 (31:16):

Oh, no, finish, finish your thought. I, I just had a follow up question, but, but I didn't, I don't wanna interrupt your flow.

Speaker 2 (31:24):

<Laugh> <laugh>. Well, part, I think I, part of part of this process has been how I got to where I am today in terms of this work. And that is the reconciliation between the nervous system and the soul. Mm. And the, that's, that's where I'm really right now, like, bringing all of these things together is where I'm really finding the, my sweet spot. And I think that's partly why I've always had, you know, like I've been solidly in like earth school mm-hmm <affirmative>. With like this understanding and desire and openness for, for spirit, but not being, not not being fully pulled in. Sure. Because I need to be here in order to do the work that I'm here to do. And so when I think about that and I reflect on it, you know what, what comes to mind for me is you, we have these human bodies with these nervous systems and our, our nervous system's, number one priority and goal is to keep us alive.

Speaker 2 (32:37):

Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. No matter what it will do whatever it needs to do in order to keep us alive, even if it's not the best thing for us. And then we have these souls. And our soul's, number one prerogative is to to grow and to evolve and to connect with other souls and to move towards coherence. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Those two things are often in conflict with each other. Yes. Right? Yes. And I think that's the game. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Right? Like that, that's what we're here on earth to do. We're here on earth to, to take those two things and to weave them together. And once we're able to do that, and we can't stay in that state all the time, but once we're able to weave them together, then we can start moving in this direction towards coherence. And as each individual one of us does, that humanity as a whole starts to do that, consciousness starts to do that. 'cause Each one of us is just a part of consciousness.

Speaker 1 (33:41):

Sure. Jodi, so beautifully articulated. What can you share about your own spiritual practices that might help, you know, keep your own energy you know, in a high frequency place? What, what, and, and, and what would be the kind of signals you would get from the outer world that tell you, Hey, pump the brake sister <laugh>. Right. It's time to do some spiritual work. Anything you can share about your personal practices?

Speaker 2 (34:12):

Yeah, a hundred percent. It certainly has ebbed and flowed mm-hmm <affirmative>. And, and it's twofold, right? Because we wanna work both on the on our physical body and our nervous system, and also on, on our soul level, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And, and the two again, aren't they, they're, they have two different prerogatives, but they're not necessarily different mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I think that that's really important to remember as well. So a couple of things that, and this is why I have all these different tools. So I have found, first of all, Reiki, of course. Mm-Hmm. So I do a lot of, I do a lot of self reiki. I recite the precepts every day. I should do 'em every night too. But I find the precepts to be incredibly grounding. And for those who don't know Reiki has five precepts that kind of ground the practice.

Speaker 2 (35:02):

And the first one is so everything starts with just for today. So just for today, I will not anger mm-hmm <affirmative>. Just for today, I will not worry. Just for today, I'll be grateful for all my blessings. Just for today, I will do my work diligently and with integrity, just for today, I'll be kind to myself and all things. And those are just so incredibly grounding. And before any of your listeners who are therapists, say, but we have to feel our worry and our anger. Yeah. It, it's more complicated than that. When we say, I will not worry, I will not anger. We're not saying we're not feeling those emotions. We're saying that we we're not clinging to them. Ah, that's a beautiful distinction. Yeah. Yeah. So sometimes what I'll, I change the wording a little bit, and I'll say like, I will, I will release anger, I will release worry.

Speaker 2 (35:55):

So that's a, some therapist pushback. I pushed back against it at first until I really understood what, what they mean. So, yeah. So, so I, I ground in those, in those precepts, I also, I HeartMath mm-hmm <affirmative>. Is a wonderful tool for those of your listeners who aren't familiar with it, you can just Google HeartMath. It's, it's an organization that's been around for 30 years, and they have been dedicated to researching the electromagnetic field of the heart. And what we know is that the heart is not just something that pumps blood. It's actually got it's, it's very complicated. And it, it's got the strongest electromagnetic frequency of any other organ in our body. It goes out about four feet. And all of our emotional frequencies live within that space. And so when we can bring our heart into coherent, when we can go into coherence, which means our heart, our, our mind, and our body are all working together, our vibration lifts.

Speaker 2 (36:59):

And when our vibration lifts, then other people come into resonance with that. Mm-Hmm. So I have found HeartMath to be incredibly helpful, and they, they, they intentionally have made the, the techniques very, very simple mm-hmm <affirmative>. So that anybody can access them mm-hmm <affirmative>. And it really is about breathing in and out of your heart center, and intentionally activating what they call like an uplifting emotion. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So compassion, gratitude awe, if, when, if you can embody the vibration of that emotion and, and breathe, you will bring yourself into coherence, higher vibration. They, and it's measured through heart rate variability. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So that's another tool that you can use to measure whether to use your body to know whether you are in coherence or not. And it has to do with how high your heart rate variability is. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So I use that tool as part of my meditation.

Speaker 2 (38:03):

And then of course, at, you know, faith, which again, I struggle with sometimes <laugh>, there's, there's a part of me, there's a part of me that, you know, certainly questions some things, but just, you know, trusting that my team has my back. And that, you know, everything that happens that I have no control over. That's the other, that's another really good practice is like knowing what you have control over and what you don't. Mm. And is something that is being done for my learning. And if I can approach it from that perspective, it, it softens things around that.

Speaker 1 (38:48):

Love it. Love it. Very, very eclectic drawing of drawing from many different modalities and, and tools. When, you know, Jodi, when, when you reflect back on your, you know, career journey what do you think you wish you knew at the beginning of your journey that you now know?

Speaker 2 (39:18):

That's such a hard question to answer, because I, I don't know that I, I, in hindsight, and it goes back to that idea of like how I had to work in that therapy practice mm-hmm <affirmative>. In order to do what I'm doing now, I also had to do the work that I did in, in the community mental, like, everything, everything that happened had to happen in order for me to be where I am now. Yes. Right? Yes. And that's really hard to remember in the moment, even as I'm in this place now and thinking about where might I be 20 years from now. Right. Having the patience and the faith that, like the universe is go, you know, just keeps putting one step each step in front of me, and I just have to step into it and trust that each one builds on the next Uhhuh <affirmative>. And I, if I could go back and tell the Jodi 20 years ago that, that that was the case mm-hmm <affirmative>. I don't know that it would've changed anything mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I probably would've just been like, you know, f you <laugh>. Right, right. I want what I want and I want it now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:34):

Yes,

Speaker 2 (40:34):

Because it, you know, it's, it's hard. It, you know, we, our lifetimes are really just like such a, a, a quick yeah. Moment, but when you're in it, it doesn't, it doesn't feel that way, you know? And and especially when you're wanting something that you don't have mm-hmm <affirmative>. Or yearning for something that isn't available.

Speaker 1 (40:58):

Yeah. Yeah. Now I'm gonna ask you a really hard question, <laugh>, because I'm, I'm, I'm a curious soul also. Is there any training that you receive that you put into practice and

Speaker 2 (41:11):

Then

Speaker 1 (41:12):

Thought to yourself, this is bon, I'm, I'm gonna throw it out the window. Oh,

Speaker 2 (41:17):

This,

Speaker 1 (41:17):

This doesn't apply, this doesn't work. This doesn't have real life application.

Speaker 2 (41:24):

I was about to say. Oh, yes, totally. But then I realized, I stopped myself and I realized that, you know,

Speaker 2 (41:33):

I have taken bits and pieces mm-hmm <affirmative>. From everything that I have learned Yeah. And, and have applied it. So, so a as a whole Yes. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But as far as like what I could take from it Yeah. And apply it now. No. So like, I, I got trained in cognitive processing therapy, which is a very, you know, cognitive process. I don't use that. I also got trained, trained in community-based cognitive behavioral therapy. I don't necessarily use that, but what I learned through the process of that training, parts of them definitely apply to, to the work that I'm doing now because I've had that experience. I can take the parts that work Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:20):

Completely.

Speaker 2 (42:20):

They inform, yeah. They inform everything. So yeah, there's certainly different interventions within the psychotherapy world. And even the trainings that I have gone to as, because again, some of my positions in the community mental health agency were administrative. So I did like a oh gosh, what is it? Spreadsheets. I went to like a two day training on how to do spreadsheets. Yeah. Well, I, now I have my own business mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so I like actually need to know that Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:53):

<Laugh>. Yeah. Spreadsheets, all this, you know, administrative Yeah. Stuff that we actually borrow from our training and that seem, might seem random or a little mind numbing. Absolutely. Time. But it folds in so beautifully.

Speaker 2 (43:11):

Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (43:12):

Into business ownership. Jodi, so interesting. The other question I wanna ask you, because I've actually had therapists and nurses and people in more mainstream setting say, Amy, how did you do this? How do you get from mainstream? Because my background is rehabilitation counseling. Right? But how do you, how do you then, you know, pivot or transition from a position that is, you know, recognized and clearly understood and in some cases compensated well, and how do you transition into more of a spiritually infused business model?

Speaker 2 (44:04):

So your question made me think of this woman who has since passed, but she was a oh, what did she do? So, so when I worked in the community mental health agency, we hired her to do, I guess like outreach and like agency development and planning. There's a word for it, I'm not thinking about it right now. Okay. But she was kind of like this big picture person who helped the agency do like, surveys and figure out what our goals were. And I remember sitting with her one time, and she made a comment about spirits being in the corner of the room mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I thought to myself, A, that's really interesting that she would say that, and B, like, I wonder why she said that to, to me. Yeah. So I just, I, it was just, so I asked her, I was like, I was like, are you clairvoyant? <Laugh>,

Speaker 2 (45:14):

Uhhuh, <affirmative>? And she said, yeah. And I said, oh, we need to have lunch. So this was like years ago. So again, this is one of those, like you know, I'm always like my, you know, I get real curious and real interested. So we went out to lunch, and so she, she was one of these people who had a couple of different things that she did. She worked with organization, she was an ordained minister. She did a couple of the program planning, wedding planning. I don't a whole bunch of things. And I said, well, I said, how do you integrate like your spirituality with that? Because she also was like a medium, and she was clairvoyant. And she said to me, I'll never forget this. She said my personal mission statement, that's what she was, she was somebody who helped the organizations with missions and value statements.

Speaker 2 (46:02):

So she said, my personal mission statement is to bring people closer to God, and no matter what I do mm-hmm <affirmative>. That's like, no matter what capacity I'm doing that in, that's that's what I'm doing. Oh, right. And I, I never forgot that. 'cause I was like, wow, that just totally blew me away. Yeah. And so I went on this like, journey of trying to find my personal mission statement mm-hmm <affirmative>. Which has changed over the years, but it, it was, it basically comes down to like providing space for people to, to grow and, and heal mm-hmm <affirmative>. And learn. And so no matter what I do mm-hmm <affirmative>. That's, that's what I always come back to. Yeah. So whether I was working in community mental health, or I was my own practice, or, you know, even with friends and volunteer work, whatever it was mm-hmm <affirmative>. So to answer your, I know this is kind of a long way of answering your question. No, it's beautiful. But to answer your question, I, you know, start there like, what, no matter what you're doing, doing, no matter what your, like work is, what is your personal mission statement? And how can you start to integrate that into what you're already doing mm-hmm <affirmative>. And once you start doing that, the pathways start to open. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:16):

Completely. Yeah. That, that was, that was a lovely, lovely, you know, illustration of somebody from your past to kind of piece that all together for you and put it in a framework that most of us can wrap our heads around. And, and Jodi, I will say, you know, the, the, I think the, the high frequency thing is, is a soul level thing. And I think the tools that we choose is more of a personality thing, the human component of ourselves. Mm-Hmm. That's allowing the energies to flow through. For some people it's through the written word for other people. It's, you know, administering therapy you know, or leading a team you know, or or d like so many helper healers, it's d all of the above <laugh>.

Speaker 2 (48:12):

It's,

Speaker 1 (48:13):

Yeah. It's everything. That, that we gently over time layer into our, our business model. And, and you alluded to something, you know, we're, we're always, you know, becoming, who knows? I mean, do you buy into the theory that, you know, three or five years from now, Jodi, your business will be even more eclectic?

Speaker 2 (48:42):

Oh, it has to be, because I can't stop myself <laugh>. Right.

Speaker 2 (48:49):

Yeah. I mean, there's, there's always gonna be something else, something more. I mean, like, you know, and, and again, like I, I, I'm always adding, and I think, you know, where I've gotten to where I've gotten to is, you know, back to that idea of like, you know, so my new new updated mission statement, right? Yeah. Like, which is really the same thing, but different language is like, you know, helping people to weave together their, their nervous system and their sole purpose mm-hmm <affirmative>. In a way that that feels resonant to them. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And in doing that, I'm not only helping them, but I'm, I'm helping humanity move toward and, and consciousness move towards coherence and whatever fits into that, I'm game.

Speaker 1 (49:37):

Oh, love it. I love it. Jodi, you have a couple different kinds of audiences or, or client base and entry points. Can you share with viewers and listeners? Number one let's just say I am a potential client who could benefit from your multimodality approach. How do those people find you?

Speaker 2 (50:05):

So probably the best way to find me as an entry point is through my therapy psychotherapy website, which is therapy, T-H-E-R-A-C-H-I healing.com. So everything, pretty much everything I do is on that website.

Speaker 1 (50:26):

Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:26):

I also, so I had to, I had to separate out my businesses because of my clinical license. Sure. So under therapy is, is everything that I do that's psychotherapy related mm-hmm <affirmative>. So, you know, rig assisted psychotherapy, I do brain spotting. I use all the tools mm-hmm <affirmative>. To that I, that I use in my coaching business to support psychotherapy mm-hmm <affirmative>. In my coaching business, which is journey with Kindred souls. I'm, I'm doing coaching, I'm doing courses. Everything else goes there. And that's partly just because I have to separate out my business. Sure. I'm actually in the process of rebranding to kind of have an umbrella and, because I think it's confusing me, so it's gotta be confusing <laugh> other people,

Speaker 1 (51:15):

<Laugh>. I get it. Oh, lord. Do I get it?

Speaker 2 (51:18):

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:18):

So this other coaching business mm-hmm <affirmative>. Tell us what kind of backgrounds people have that might, you know, desire coaching or training from being a colleague. Tell me about that.

Speaker 2 (51:32):

So there's, there's two, there's two pieces to it. So one is if you are if you're a psychotherapist mm-hmm <affirmative>. Who is interested in bringing Reiki into your practice, that the, there's an an entry point there. And I do have, if you're on Facebook, I do have a Facebook group called Psychotherapeutic Reiki for clinicians. Okay. I should have made that shorter in hindsight, but that's what it is. That's okay. I've

Speaker 1 (51:57):

Done it too. <Laugh>.

Speaker 2 (51:59):

Yeah. and we, we have about, I think close to 800 people in that group now, and that's kind of where we kind of post all of our trainings and access to our supervisions and things like that. So most of my actually all of my trainings right now are specifically for clinicians who are wanting to integrate Reiki into their practice using this psychotherapeutic reiki model. If you are so, so the other thing, the other thing that I do, and I'll just mention real briefly, but it is a big part of my practice is I use this the Safe and Sound protocol and the Restroom Restore protocol, which are therapeutic listening protocols developed by Steven Porges who developed, who was the person who developed polyvagal theory. It's too much to get into now, but both of these protocols work to bring safety into your nervous system because no healing can happen if your nervous system does not feel safe.

Speaker 2 (52:54):

Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And I think that's a lot of the problems that we run into with people who spiritually bypass. And I've seen this in working with people who are wanting to heal and they are very spiritual and they have a meditation practice and they have guides and they have access to their guides, and they might even be clairvoyant and they're spending all their time kind of in, in the ether, but they're not in their bodies. Yeah. 'cause They're, and their bodies are, are terrified mm-hmm <affirmative>. And they don't realize it mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so for those folks, the work is to like come back into your body. 'cause Again, we, we need to weave those two things together. We, we are on this earth for a reason. Yeah. And if we are not in our bodies and we are not doing our earthly things, we're gonna have to come back again.

Speaker 1 (53:36):

Sure.

Speaker 2 (53:37):

And I for one, actually don't wanna come back again. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:39):

I know. I think your guides told, told you to tell that to me. <Laugh>,

Speaker 2 (53:45):

There you go. Your guide told me.

Speaker 1 (53:47):

Touche. Touche. You've got me back. <Laugh>. That, that is so wonderful and next level level, Jodi, because I know some of my clients have struggled with that. People who work in the healing arts. Yeah. they've got all of this trauma that hasn't been fully processed. And so they're running around doing all the things, but their body, their physical body isn't cooperating. Right. So they can find you through, through that website.

Speaker 2 (54:20):

Yep. Through Journey. So the other, my other website is Journey with kindred souls.com mm-hmm <affirmative>. And you can find me through, through that website as well. So that's another place, and I define me, and I do, I work, I do work with people who have or who are experiencing chronic pain and chronic illness mm-hmm <affirmative>. As work with nervous system regulation and also relational trauma and complex trauma. So those are my, kind of my niches as far as the work that I do.

Speaker 1 (54:50):

Mm. Jodi, I, I absolutely have enjoyed, thoroughly enjoyed our conversation, and I love, I am so grateful for how curious you are <laugh> <laugh>. And, and also too, you know, I, it it just kind of, you know, further validates for a lot of people who are, you know, want to create spiritually infused businesses that there's no beginning and no end <laugh>. Right. There's no perfect way to say, I mean, most of us are pioneers in whatever inspires us, and that it can take many years for us to take everything that we've learned and pull it together as brilliantly as you have and continue to do with all these different modalities. So well done five gold stars <laugh> for the level of complexity of, of what you've done. Again, I think that's a mark of brilliant entrepreneurialship. And I have no doubt there are a lot of people listening, Jodi, who are going to benefit immensely from what you've shared with your personal journey and the excellence that is, you know exists now in its present for format and then to be continued. Jodi one last thing before we go. Is there anything coming up the pike in your work that you might want people to to know about?

Speaker 2 (56:34):

Oh, thank you so much for asking that. Yes. Two things. Okay. one is that we, we haven't put the dates or anything out yet, but we are going to be doing a, another cohort of psychotherapeutic reiki foundations in the winter mm-hmm <affirmative>. So probably in February. So anyone who is interested in that, please reach out. And I'll put you on the list so that you can get that information. And then the other thing is, I am starting a group in January called From Lock to Liberation. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. It's a very small group, six, four to six people. And this is specifically for people who are struggling with trauma bonds mm-hmm <affirmative>. And we will use the Safe and Sound Protocol and Rescue Restore protocol to help loosen the, the nervous system locks that occur when we are trauma bonded to somebody else. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And then, and we have like a whole protocol. It's gonna, it's a 12 week program that we're gonna go through. So for anyone who is struggling with being in a relationship that they know isn't good for them, but they can't seem to leave, this would be a really good program for them. Mm-Hmm. So I have openings in that group if anyone is interested.

Speaker 1 (57:51):

Jodi, absolutely. Amazing. So wonderful. You've touched on so many really critical points for I, for my clients, for anybody who's listening, I'm gonna put all of Jodi's links in the show notes and eventually all over social media. Jodi Silverman, thank you so, so much for You're welcome. Taking time to share your message with listeners and viewers. I really deeply appreciate you as a soul and as a fellow business owner, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (58:25):

Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. Take

Speaker 1 (58:27):

Care now.

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