The Sacred Rewiring

In this episode of Healer Within, host Amy Marohn of Sensorium Hypnosis sits down with spiritual guide and mentor Lindsay Vatterott to explore her 20-year journey through a radical spiritual awakening. Lindsay shares the raw, unfiltered details of a life-altering energy surge that began in a yoga studio in 2003 and evolved into a two-decade process of "unlearning" the ego.

Key discussion points include:

• The Physicality of Awakening: Lindsay describes the "volcano-like" heat, spinal surges, and sensory overload that led her on a years-long search for medical answers.
• The Observer Field: Moving from identifying as the "thinking mind" to inhabiting a state of vast, non-judgmental awareness.
• The 2011 "Big Bang": A pivotal moment on a highway that shattered the illusion of separation and merged her consciousness into a singular field.
• The Art of Shedding: Why spiritual growth is often less about "adding" practices and more about the "undoing" of the small self.
• Practical Integration: How Lindsay moved from wanting to escape the world to successfully navigating a chaotic household with four children while remaining spirit-led.
• Guidance for the "Crazy" Moments: Reassurance for those experiencing mystery symptoms and why fear is a natural part of the purification process.

Connect with Lindsay here:

www.livelikeeden.com

www.instagram.com/live.like.eden/

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Lindsay Vatterott is a spiritual guide, mentor, and host of the weekly podcast Live Like Eden: Spiritual Awakening Unraveled, where she delivers no-nonsense insights into the raw realities of awakening— from ego illusions and consciousness shifts to finding peace amid chaos.
 
Learn more about her 1:1 sessions at www.livelikeeden.com

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Transcript

Healer Within Podcast Interview "Sacred Rewiring" with Host & Spiritual Hypnotist, Amy Marohn of Sensorium Hypnosis and Guest Lindsay Vatterott, Spiritual Awakening Expert, of Live Like Eden airing Sunday, January 11, 2026. 

Speaker 1 (00:02):

Hello, welcome back to Healer Within. This is Amy Marohn, your podcast host. Today we have a wonderful guest, Lindsay Vatterott, and I'm going to share a little bit more about her background before we jump into a very engaging conversation. Lindsay Vatterott is a spiritual guide, mentor, and a host of the weekly podcast Live like Eden, spiritual Awakening Unraveled where she delivers no nonsense insights into the raw realities of awakening from ego, illusions, and consciousness shifts to finding peace amid chaos. Drawing from her own transformative 20 plus year journey, which began in 2003 with a spontaneous energy surge that shattered her nervous system body and worldview, Lindsey navigated mental turmoil, physical disruptions, and profound isolation. This quiet reckoning through darkness equipped her with unfiltered wisdom to guide others, emphasizing, surrender inner trust, unlearning ego conditioning, and embracing life with spirit through her one-to-one sessions. At live like eden.com, she provides compassionate judgment-free support, tailored to individual awakening symptoms, helping clients develop practical tools for clarity, confidence, and integration into daily life. As a rabbit hole survivor, Lindsey's down to earth approach and humor and humor, make her an authentic voice on living a spirit led life. Wow. Lindsay, welcome. <Laugh>, welcome to Healer within. So great to have you.

Speaker 2 (01:49):

Thank you so much, Amy. I just I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for inviting me. Oh,

Speaker 1 (01:54):

Absolutely. Well, Lindsay, we're going to go back to the beginning, <laugh> of this crazy journey back to 2003. Yeah. And fill it. And no, I've had the benefit of reading more about your story and background, but share with our audience today what this experience was like for you.

Speaker 2 (02:17):

Well, I will do my very best to sum it up <laugh> as quickly as I can, because Sure. 20 years is a long time to go through, as all of us know. It's like where do you start? Right. Yeah. But I will start in 2003, and let me give you just a little information before this. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. You know, I was only 26 years old at the time. I was just a young, you know, <laugh> baby. Really? Yeah. And I had recently been married was married a couple of years. My husband and I were happy, and life was going well. You know, I was, I was a yoga teacher at the time mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I started a yoga studio. So I owned a studio and was doing really well with that. And I thought life was just amazing. You know, I didn't come from any kind of traumatic past or anything like that, had very normal childhood.

Speaker 2 (03:05):

My parents were amazing. You know, it wasn't like uhhuh, nothing in my life was leading me to where the next 20 years were leading me, you know? Yeah. I did not see this coming. Yep. I had no idea. So, I'll take you back as I was teaching yoga one morning mm-hmm <affirmative>. In 2003. It was the fall of 2003. I even think it happened to be like the the fall equinox, you know, it was like right around this time for sure, which is always interesting to me, the, you know, these times. But I'm, I'm walking down this long hallway to teach yoga, and as I go to open the door, I just suddenly had a very noticeable movement in what I know now to be my solar plexus. So, I, I want the listeners to know that during this time, I had no frame of reference for what was about to happen to me.

Speaker 2 (03:52):

So I'm speaking to you now, knowing, kind of giving it different language, but at the time, I feel this kind of rumbling, you know? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. I would say within my, my center. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And I immediately was like, huh, that doesn't, it didn't feel right. It was like, what is that? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And I perceived to go in and teach the class and the type of yoga I was teaching, I did not take, I did not do the class with them. I just talked them through it. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So as I walk in and I'm walking in and I remember making eye contact with this man, and all of a sudden this energy just kind of just blew through me a little bit, like a surge, you know? And I was not familiar with this type of thing, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So this is all very, very new. And as I continue to start teaching this movement in the center just moves into my spine mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (04:38):

Right in the low back, and I start feeling as I'm talking. Okay. So I'm doing two things at once here. I'm teaching, and this movement is just coming up my back, you know, slowly pushing and pushing and pushing, and I'm talking, and there's this automatic, you know, personality teaching mm-hmm <affirmative>. And in, in my mind's eye, I'm like, what the hell is that? You know, because it was very, it was not like subtle. It was like, boom, pushing up. And as it's happening, I'm getting hot. Like I taught in a hot yoga room. I wanna make that clear. Yeah. I was in a room 105 degrees. Oh. So heat was a normal thing for me. Sure. It wasn't like new. This was like a volcano erupted inside of me, and I was just blazing with heat, and the movement is coming up the back of my spine and up, you know, the kind of in the base of my skull mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I am just starting to feel like, whoa, I'm starting to feel out of it, even though I'm still talking. No one has a clue this is happening. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And it pushes up the back of my skull and kind of comes up the top of my head. And, and at this point I'm feeling this internal, like, felt like an earthquake, you know, went off mm-hmm. All over, head to toe. I'm just, goodness. And I finally have to sit down and I'm thinking, I gotta get outta here, <laugh>, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:57):

Oh, completely.

Speaker 2 (05:58):

Not, this is not working. Uhhuh uhhuh. And it, it was the strangest thing to have this very, like, explosive movement through my spine and in my head. And then no one, no one could tell. Yeah. Not one person said, are you okay? I mean, I didn't look like anything was wrong. Right. So, which is very bizarre, you

Speaker 1 (06:19):

Know? Yes. Oh, yes. Uhhuh.

Speaker 2 (06:21):

It's like, I might, so, anyway, long story short, a very dear friend of mine happened to be in that class that morning who was a fellow teacher. It was a 6:00 AM class. She never showed up that early, but she happened to show up.

Speaker 1 (06:34):

Oh my

Speaker 2 (06:34):

Goodness. This morning, you know, there's the, the spirit coming in for help. Aw. And I just kindly asked her if she'd take over, and she did. And I left the room. I went into the office and I laid there, and I just looked up at the ceiling, and all that went through my head was, what was that? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And I was just trembling. I knew something. It was like my body felt like it was in shock. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And I immediately, you know, back then, because I had no clue what was happening to me, my first instinct was, I gotta go see a doctor. Right.

Speaker 1 (07:03):

Yeah. Completely

Speaker 2 (07:04):

Physical, something, you know, I called my husband, I'm like, something crazy just happened to me, you know, I have no, I can't even explain it. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. I really couldn't even put mm-hmm <affirmative>. It was like something moved through me. It felt like one moment I was fine, and then this presence just blew through my body. I mean, it was just mm-hmm <affirmative>. Really bizarre. But from that moment on, and I, I like to say this, that moment sparked a progression of symptoms that just wouldn't end. I mean, just started mm-hmm <affirmative>. My nervous system started to be very heightened. I started having tingling and weird sensations on the top of my head. It felt like I had bricks on the top of my head. Sure. And I was, you know, in and out of the doctor for a long time. And they, you know, nothing showed up. They had MRIs of my brain. Mm-Hmm. I started having a lot of activity in my head almost as if it felt like somebody was doing surgery in there. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. I mean, I kept thinking mm-hmm

Speaker 1 (08:00):

<Affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (08:01):

Something is happening to me. Sure. mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I want answer, and I really wanted answers. Right. As you know, from somebody who's been through mystery, you know, symptoms, you want some kind of ev something so that you can work with it. Right? Sure,

Speaker 1 (08:15):

Sure.

Speaker 2 (08:16):

But I can never get it. And the symptoms kind of went to, to, like, I was extremely ill feeling like mm-hmm <affirmative>. Do you ever know, have you ever had anything where you feel energetic, nausea? Like, it's not necessarily in your stomach, but it's your

Speaker 1 (08:31):

Whole Yes.

Speaker 2 (08:32):

Being feels vulnerable,

Speaker 1 (08:34):

<Laugh>.

Speaker 2 (08:35):

Absolutely. Like you're going to throw up everywhere.

Speaker 1 (08:36):

<Laugh>, I've, I've had com complete E energy surges that test my body yeah. And create all kinds of physical symptoms. I'm, what what strikes me to, to interject is like a lot of people who may would've experienced what you had during your yoga class may have been tempted to call 9 1 1.

Speaker 2 (09:11):

Yeah. I'm

Speaker 1 (09:12):

Thinking that a doctor, I'm thinking, gosh, Lindsay, I would've called nine. Right. Because at that point you might have been wondering, you know, am I having a stroke?

Speaker 2 (09:24):

Well, I, yeah. You know, it's funny you say that. I didn't feel like that. I didn't feel like heart, like my heart was in trouble. I really wasn't breathing heavily. That's the other thing. Oh, interesting. Yeah. It was this, this energy that was pulsing through me, but I was still breathing fine. Sure. I even then really didn't feel like, you know, like anxiety. I didn't feel like at that time, at least I did not feel like my heart was racing. Yeah. But it was just this, like I was going to leave the body. Yeah. That's what it felt like.

Speaker 1 (09:54):

Oh, re I was going to say

Speaker 2 (09:56):

I was going to jet out of the body. And I was like, what is happening to me? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:00):

Yeah. And I know there are some menopausal women out there saying, boy,

Speaker 2 (10:05):

Oh yeah, people said that too,

Speaker 1 (10:07):

With the, with the, you know, hot flash,

Speaker 2 (10:10):

The heat. I know this feels like, and I, I'll give you a couple other examples later. Sure. But this type of heat I learned later was more of a healing energy Yeah. Than anything. Yeah. And it was so hot that sometimes I would get these heat surges, like intense heat, and I would check my temperature and I would not have a fever. Yeah. Yeah. Which is

Speaker 1 (10:33):

Like, okay. Completely.

Speaker 2 (10:35):

And I would, after the heat would come through me, excuse me, I would be jetting off to the bathroom. The bowels were eliminating urine. I mean, just absolute clean out Yep. Clean out. And so this was going on for several years, Amy. I was just in and out of the doctor not feeling well still thinking there was something physically wrong. And, you know, keep in mind during this time, I start having a couple of kids in, in the next year.

Speaker 1 (11:03):

Year. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:04):

So I'm, and during the pregnancies, the energy would sort of ease a bit mm-hmm <affirmative>. But then it would, it would return. And, you know, it was this whole thing. But during this time, I also started getting very heightened sensory awareness. So that was another thing started happening. Mm-Hmm. And I, I used to be a very social, I wouldn't say socialite, but I was a social person. I liked being around a lot of people. Like I performed as a kid. So this was new to me to be in a large big box store that like Costco or Target. Yep. And suddenly I would just feel like everything was coming into the crown in my head, like beaming through me the third eye, I was overwhelmed, you know, I couldn't make sense of the, the aisles and the massive amount of crap. Right. Yeah. That is in these stores completely.

Speaker 2 (12:00):

Yeah. And so I was just having trouble maneuvering through all of these places that were, you know, previously were not an issue. I never even thought about it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So that was pretty shocking for me mm-hmm <affirmative>. Because it was like, what is, what is happening to me? Yeah. Not only am I physically feeling weird, now I'm having all this heightened sensory awareness. I'm starting to have trance-like states where I'm really going out. And, and then I started to, what I call somehow I say I was led into the observer field. It was just like I was pulled out mm-hmm <affirmative>. And all of a sudden I was aware that I was not my own mind. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. I was not the identity that I had identified with my entire life. I could watch myself. And I don't mean that I was like out of body looking in on me mm-hmm <affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (12:48):

I was just in a very large awareness, seeing myself talk, witnessing everything around me. It was almost like a state of total observation without any judgment. So there was no commentary. Sure. It was just this big boom watch. Yeah. And it was shocking to me at first. In fact, when I very first noticed it one time, I, I got up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom, and I felt as if something was watching me. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. You know, and it almost scared me to death. I was like, what? I'm like, what the hell is there? You know? What is that? You know? And it wasn't like I felt like an evil spirit, nothing like that. It was just this Sure. Big boom, watch something's watching me. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And I, at the time, I just didn't have a clue. <Laugh> Yeah. What was happening, you know?

Speaker 2 (13:37):

Completely. Yeah. So I'm pulled into this vastness and I start realizing that I'm not who I thought I was, and there's something else. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. If I'm able to watch myself mm-hmm <affirmative>. If I'm able to watch the world around me, you know, who's watching the watchers, right? I mean, like, yes. What's what else is there to our our being, you know, than just the personality. So it was interesting because I, I didn't know this at the time, Amy, but that moment and those period of several years where I was pulled into this field, if I had not done that, I probably wouldn't have been Okay. The remainder of what I'm going to explain to you later. So this, being able to observe the mind was a massive thing for me. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Even though it was uncomfortable it helped me later on down the road. So what I'd like to say right now to some of anybody who's listening is, at the time, I had no idea what was happening to me.

Speaker 2 (14:31):

And I was lost at sea, and I was a resistant, and I was scared to death. But now looking back, I can see how divinely, you know, each of these stages was leading me and preparing me for what was to come mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so in the beginning, I look now and say, that was a huge purification process. Yes. Because my whole entire body was literally purged. Rewired <laugh>. It, it was, I, and then those physical symptoms did leave me. So it didn't, they didn't last forever. Sure. But it was, it was at least five years or more. Oh

Speaker 1 (15:04):

My

Speaker 2 (15:05):

Goodness. You know, so it wasn't like, oh, a year and it was gone. It lasted a while.

Speaker 1 (15:09):

Wow. You know, I, so many questions I, I have that I think would be of interest to viewers and listeners, Lindsay is, and, and I'm wondering this <laugh> myself is, you know, at what point did it occur to you in your search for a, a Western medical explanation? That this is something spiritual and the doctors actually can't help me. Okay. There's no measurement tool for that. I mean, at what point, what was it, I'll tell you where that pushed the needle forward in terms of your understanding of this.

Speaker 2 (15:57):

There is a pivotal moment. 'cause I was really trying for at least probably seven years to find a, a physical answer. And I went through medical doctors and alternative both. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like, I mean, I was out trying anything. Sure. And there was a moment where I had start after I had my second child, my first daughter. And after I had her, the symptoms started to come back, you know, really heightened, the sensory awareness was happening, I would say I was very also starting to get kind of psychic at this time. You know, that kind of stuff was happening. So lots of stuff was going on mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I said, you know, I've gotta go back one more time to check

Speaker 1 (16:42):

To see

Speaker 2 (16:42):

If something's wrong. Yes. I'm going to go to this neurologist mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so I go to this neurologist mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I took my mom with me. 'cause I wanted a witness. <Laugh>.

Speaker 1 (16:50):

Yes. Yeah. Mom

Speaker 2 (16:52):

Was going to go down

Speaker 1 (16:52):

In there. I'm not losing it. Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:54):

There's something happening.

Speaker 1 (16:55):

Uhhuh.

Speaker 2 (16:56):

So I kind of explained to him what has happened now, what does he wanna do? 'cause I have array of symptoms, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. He's like, wants to cut me off. And he, he says to me, well, I think it's possible you could be having atypical migraines. Yeah. And I go, yeah. I said, do you honestly believe that I'm having an atypical migraine 24 7 <laugh> like every day, all day when I'm dreaming at night? It's all ha everything. Yeah. And he said, no. He said, no, I don't. Then I said, what do you know about psychic phenomena or energy phenomena on the nervous system? Have you done any research into this? Yeah. No. Then he wanted to put me into, well, let's talk about anxiety. And I said, oh, yeah. Oh, I'm having some freaking anxiety because I, what the hell is,

Speaker 1 (17:49):

But Right. It, it's like, which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Well,

Speaker 2 (17:53):

Right.

Speaker 1 (17:53):

I say that it's the anxiety that's causing all of this, but it's the other way around.

Speaker 2 (17:58):

No, it wasn't that, because I look back from the beginning, it wasn't starting with anxiety. It was all this stuff amping up, and then I was becoming anxious about it. Yes.

Speaker 1 (18:07):

Yeah. Yes. Because there always is the the what ifs. What if, I mean, you and I in our lifetime have probably heard many stories, well, including my own Yeah. Of doctors that missed things for doctors. Oh, yeah. Because, you know, even with some of my rare conditions, I'm ahead of medical science. Yeah. And my parents miss things. I've had many, many doctors miss things. Right. and the reality is too, even with rare conditions you may finally get a diagnosis, but guess what? There's no treatment. Right. So, you know, you have,

Speaker 2 (18:46):

You're still on your own <laugh>

Speaker 1 (18:47):

With this, it, it does become mind over matter. And then you really have to, either way, whether it's a spiritual awakening or some mystery illness. Right. even the ones that have a, a label, there is so much journeying inward that has to occur for you to be able to move through the potential trauma of this.

Speaker 2 (19:17):

Oh, absolutely. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So that, that moment really made me realize I'm done with the medical world. Yeah. I'm done. I know. And I knew, I always knew, even in the beginning, like even when I was really upset about the whole thing, I always had this inner knowing and pull that I knew it was taking me somewhere. I had no idea where, but this very strong knowing was just, yeah. There's more. There's more. And I'm thinking, how many years are we in here? Like, yeah. I don't know how much more I wanna handle. Well, completely. And what I didn't know is that all of this, and being in that observer space and purging, and the getting the body clear, I didn't know what was coming. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But I knew something was coming. I, I even said this to my family, I just feel like something's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (20:07):

Yeah. Something is coming. Well, in 2011 mm-hmm <affirmative>. I was driving all four of my kids home on the highway, and I had this kind of inner vibration going on inside of me, but I was kind of accustomed to it, to be honest. I'd had it for so many years. But as I'm driving, all of a sudden this kind of picks up and it's just BBBB, you can kind of feel it through the body. And then in the center of my head, like I'm talking middle of the head in behind the third eye region there, all of a sudden I felt this pressure, it didn't hurt. There was no pain. It was just pressure building inside the head that felt like an expansive balloon. Like somebody was blowing up space inside my head. Mm-Hmm. And it was going like this. And I had my hands on the steering wheel, and I intuitively knew this thing's going to pop.

Speaker 2 (21:02):

I, I don't know why I knew that. I just felt you could feel it blowing. And sure enough, I'm driving and all of a sudden this thing goes, expands, expands, just goes pop. And I'm like, oh my God. And all of a sudden it was like, my view just expanded into this. I felt like I was in an ocean or sea of information that was just flooding into my third eye. And of course, I, I was aware of what was happening. So I pull off, you know, pull off the road and stop. And all of a sudden I'm sitting in the car and it was like a steam roller or energy that blew through me, down through my abdomen, through my legs and arms. It just felt like somebody took a rolling pin mm-hmm <affirmative>. And just pushed it through me. Like a, it was the weirdest. And I was, all of a sudden, I'm, I'm crying, you know, I'm like, what is happening to me? Yeah. I've already gone through all this stuff, and now this

Speaker 1 (22:00):

Mm-Hmm <affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (22:01):

And so something visual changed, and it was as if I was just, there was no boundary in my mm-hmm <affirmative>. Visual field. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And so I had, I know my, I had to call for help, you know, to get off the highway. Luckily, my husband and my brother just happened to be home. They never were. My

Speaker 1 (22:19):

Goodness. You know, boy, you got some

Speaker 2 (22:21):

Angels. Interventions are <laugh>,

Speaker 1 (22:24):

Thank gosh. Or you requested the help you needed.

Speaker 2 (22:28):

I, I always,

Speaker 1 (22:29):

I put it past you, Lindsay.

Speaker 2 (22:31):

I call my spiritual helper my little spirit angels to show up. Yeah. Oh,

Speaker 1 (22:34):

Completely.

Speaker 2 (22:36):

The protection was there. And even though I was terrified, I later had to acknowledge that, that I was protected always. Yeah. I was never left hanging, you know, <laugh>. Oh.

Speaker 1 (22:47):

So good to know. Mm-Hmm

Speaker 2 (22:48):

<Affirmative>. Yeah. That moment on shifted my consciousness radically. And I couldn't quite pinpoint at first what was so different about my experience of life. I, you know, at this point was super sensitive to going anywhere. I already started retreating outside of life and only taking care of my four kids at home. And I was walking around the, you know, just doing my day-to-day stuff in the house with them. And I was like, what is so different? I, something was so different. I did not feel the same. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Everything felt physically different, but I just couldn't, I could not put a finger on what it was. And then it hit me that I, you know, I spoke of that observer field where I felt like I was watching with, with this field as if there was two conscious awarenesses there, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But what I realized after this big bang blowout in my head was that I didn't notice two, it was just one conscious field. I didn't feel the separation of it anymore. Mm. I call it like a merging or I, I don't even know what the proper language is,

Speaker 1 (23:51):

But Yeah. Yeah. You're creating it <laugh> <laugh> for sure. Your own vernacular. Right. You're going to have to have a, a glossary in your, in your book, Lindsay, that I know explains this language. You know, you'll be the doctor, Dr. Seuss of the spiritual world, or spiritual awakening, <laugh>.

Speaker 2 (24:09):

I like that. Dr. Seuss is fun word. Yeah. But merging is what I could use that would make sense to people. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And it was as if there was just no beginning or end to how I felt in the body any longer. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So, you know how in your body, Amy, you feel dense or solid in it. Like, before this happened, I felt separate, solid from everything around me. Whether it was me in this table I'm looking at, or mm-hmm <affirmative>. You know, there was a feeling that of separation mm-hmm <affirmative>. And this moment, it like, erased that for me. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. It was as if I didn't feel separate from anything anymore. Even though I knew the body was there. I still know the body is there mm-hmm <affirmative>. But it's like, I'm not relating to it in the same way. Yes. I used to.

Speaker 2 (24:57):

And so it's an adjustment, like a huge adjustment. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And then to, to top it off. I'm, so, my nervous system was so heightened mm-hmm <affirmative>. That anytime I would go anywhere, I would feel like I would take on massive amounts of energy. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And the nervous system would just easily go into panic or fight or flight. And it was just, I wasn't adjusted to anything that was happening to me. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And I had no tools. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. I had nothing. I had no idea how to move forward. My saving grace was, I met a woman like you actually, she was a spiritual hypnotist,

Speaker 1 (25:31):

<Laugh>. Oh,

Speaker 2 (25:32):

Yes. She became my mentor and psychotherapist for years that Oh,

Speaker 1 (25:38):

Yes.

Speaker 2 (25:38):

Start building the tools.

Speaker 1 (25:40):

That, that, that was my next question. <Laugh> is like, you know, because because when a lot of people, at least in my inner circle, as as clients or other spiritual healers experience, these other worldly symptoms are phenomenon. They don't understand, you know, as humans, what do we do? Well, we Google it.

Speaker 2 (26:04):

<Laugh>,

Speaker 1 (26:05):

Am I nuts? We

Speaker 2 (26:06):

Google it

Speaker 1 (26:07):

<Laugh>. Right, exactly. Or, you know, we're, we're, we're searching on Amazon for a book. We are.

Speaker 2 (26:12):

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:13):

But a lot of times we're reading these books and you're like, yeah, it's kind of relatable, but not exactly, not,

Speaker 2 (26:19):

No. Right.

Speaker 1 (26:21):

Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And so, but I wanna hear more about this woman you connected with, because having a mentor and a guide, which is exactly what you are, we're going to dig into that too. How did this woman help you understand what was happening?

Speaker 2 (26:45):

Well, let me start by telling you how I met her, because that is probably important. Uhhuh <affirmative>, during this time of like, purification of the body, I started, I tried to do a couple of colonics, you know, colon

Speaker 1 (26:56):

Hydrotherapy,

Speaker 2 (26:57):

Uhhuh, <affirmative>. Yeah. So I go to this col colon, hydro colon hydrotherapist mm-hmm <affirmative>. That my mom was seeing mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I went in there and she was just the sweetest. She is the sweetest soul, you know? So I'm immediately comfortable with her. And on my second colonic, I've never had one in my life. I'm laying on the table mm-hmm <affirmative>. And she start, I start heating up, like I told you about the heat coming through me mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I'm laying there, and the heat is so hot. And she says, oh my gosh, I can, you're getting really hot. Oh my gosh. The heat's filling up the room. And I said to her, I am so sorry. Like, I didn't tell her what was going on. Yeah. Yeah. I just said, I am so sorry. I've been having these very strange symptoms and things that have been happening to me, and heat is one of 'em. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So she's like, okay, that's, you know, she was so sweet. And I knew right away she was kind of psychic in her own right. Yeah. And so the next thing that happens after this huge heat blows through me in the room, all of a sudden, you know, and you see the tube, what's the yuck coming outta you? Yeah. This black petroleum oil looking crap comes out of me just coming out. And she's

Speaker 1 (28:07):

Like, <laugh>,

Speaker 2 (28:09):

Okay. You know, <laugh>. But she goes, you

Speaker 1 (28:12):

Explain that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:13):

Well, she said, I work for like, at least a year or two years to get stuff like that to come out of people. Wow. And I'm like, okay. So anyway, we wrap up the session and I end up going, driving home. But as I'm driving home, I start my, again, the energy's coming through the top of my head. I have to pull off the road. And I called her the next day and I said, is this a normal experience after a colonic? And she's like no. <Laugh>, no.

Speaker 1 (28:40):

Oh, well, that's comforting.

Speaker 2 (28:41):

Typically, that's not Yeah. Normal. And I'm like, see, that's always where I end up. Right. In the non-normal

Speaker 1 (28:46):

Completely. We don't know how to help you. We don't know what it is, but that's definitely not normal. <Laugh>. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (28:53):

Thanks for that. Yeah. <Laugh>. Yeah,

Speaker 1 (28:54):

Exactly.

Speaker 2 (28:55):

But anyway, in my conversation with her Uhhuh, she tells me that her real love is psychotherapy. Oh. And then I decide, she asked if I wanna come in for a session, and then I, that's how we connected. Yeah. And this is back, oh my gosh. I've known her for 20 years, so, oh. Now we're just more like, you know, she's my dear, dear friend and mentor. Yeah. But that's how it started. And she helped me reframe the way I was looking at the experience. Yeah. So that I, 'cause I was very resistant and scared. So it was like reframing how you're seeing it, you're always protected in the, and I was, I was literally always protected. And she also helped me get comfortable to build a relationship with spirit, which ultimately led me out of the mess, you know? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But that's how I met her, which was again, so beautiful. I didn't look for her. She just

Speaker 1 (29:46):

<Laugh>. Yeah. Oh, exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:47):

I guess I was, but

Speaker 1 (29:49):

Very, very organic. Very organic. Well, Lindsay, what an incredible story. I, I pulled out some quotes. Is it okay? Yeah. Oh, yeah. If we dig into this, because they were very colorful, very, very thought provoking. And I'd love to get your spin

Speaker 2 (30:17):

Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:17):

On some of the things you've said in your writing. And I quote, I thought I was losing my mind, but apparently I was losing what my mind could not comprehend. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. My mind would never grasp the ethereal. So it was time to trust the spiritual essence communicating with me. Right. Yeah. Help, I mean, what a beautiful, beautiful quote. The process of surrender. Mm-Hmm

Speaker 2 (30:56):

<Affirmative>.

Speaker 1 (30:56):

Right. I feel like the timing of this is perfect. After you sharing how this psychotherapist helped you be able to trust spirit what is your relationship with spirit now versus then?

Speaker 2 (31:19):

Well, that's an, that quote is interesting. And it, it what I was saying there is that when, and I believe this is probably true for all of us, is we are rooted in believing we're the thinking mind. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And so I was rooted in believing that my thinking mind was who I was to the core mm-hmm <affirmative>. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Without really knowing that, I mean, I always thought I was a spiritual person and all this stuff, but I didn't know what that meant, you know? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. I mean, it's one thing, toss it around in our head, in our thought process. Right. But when something more powerful than anything you've ever felt in your life starts to arise within you or however you wanna see it in yourself. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Whether I believe it's within us. So if it's, it's starting to come up mm-hmm <affirmative>. And it's, it's becoming more aware, I'm becoming more aware of that than I am my mind. So I like to say it like, the mind is taking a back seat Yes. To the essence of who you are. Yeah. So there's this, you know, when your ego mind is driving the car, it's in front, it's in control. And it won't let anything get in the way of that. It won't, it, it wants to control your life, and it wants everything to be the way that it wants it to be. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. It's, it's the knower. Right. It's the great knower and everything.

Speaker 1 (32:36):

Sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:36):

But when this, you know, feeling, and this, I call it a power 'cause it felt powerful.

Speaker 1 (32:42):

Mm-Hmm <affirmative>.

Speaker 2 (32:43):

Not harmful, just powerful. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Obvious. What are, those are words that come to my mind. It was like the, the switching of the guard was happening.

Speaker 1 (32:52):

Oh, yes. There

Speaker 2 (32:53):

Was a switching of the guard, and I realized that I was not who I thought I was in the mind or the identity mm-hmm <affirmative>. And anything that I wanted to happen in my life now was, was, was not really what was meant to be, you know mm-hmm <affirmative>. So that, that involved me letting go of who I thought I was, meant to be <affirmative>. And that was really my own conceptual thinking. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. You know, and then I realized that in order to live a life with spirit, I would really have to trust that whatever was happening Yeah. No matter what it looked like. Yeah. That I was going to be okay in that. So it was the, it was a constant reinforcement of no matter what I was doing, and I would go out in public and experience a lot of, there would be fear. I went through a period of tremendous fear, and the fear would arise outta nowhere. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And when I decided to step outta my, my panic mind and the ego mind and freak out and step into spirit and watch it, that's why I mentioned the observer. Yeah. Yeah. And just say, there it is again, underneath whatever's going on in my body, I'm okay. Mm-Hmm

Speaker 1 (34:01):

<Affirmative>. Mm-Hmm

Speaker 2 (34:01):

<Affirmative>. Like, I'm okay. And the more and more I would trust that I'm okay. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Everything kind of lightened, it would lighten, enlighten, enlighten. And now I just feel like the way I see it is I feel the connection, like physically mm-hmm <affirmative>. So for me, it's a physical experience. I know that's not true for everybody. Sure. Yeah. You know, so for me, it's a constant reminder because I'm feeling it mm-hmm <affirmative>. But if you're, you can also build that connection by being consciously aware of it too. Right. You make Right. The decision that I'm joining and trusting in something greater than myself, that I really don't know everything, that I really don't know anything. You know, that, that was another thing that hit me early on, was I felt this emptying mm-hmm <affirmative>. Not knowing anything at all. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think when you get there, then it's like you start re rebuild. You're, you're rebuilding, but you're rebuilding with the spiritual side. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Instead of the need for everything to be a certain way. Yeah. I have to achieve X, Y, and z. I shouldn't be doing this. No one else is doing this. I'm crazy. You know, all those things. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And it's, it's nonsense. It's just chatter. And when you get to understand that and see it and really feel it, then you know, you're moving with spirit all the time.

Speaker 1 (35:16):

Oh, absolutely. You, boy, that was a, a densely packed <laugh>.

Speaker 2 (35:22):

I don't even know what I just said.

Speaker 1 (35:23):

Assessment. Well, you said so many things. One is, you know, you know, I'll ask my clients at some point during our interaction if they believe they are spiritual. Right. And, and, and then by virtue of what, like what, what qualifies as being spiritual? And you've heard of the term spiritual bypass, right? Yeah. We go to yoga, we go to acupuncture, <laugh>, you know, we you know, we see an energy healer, we have psychotherapists to understand spirituality. We've got tons of books that we're reading. I get a lot of those clients who are like, have you read this? What do you think about that? And I'm like, stop, stop. Right, <laugh>. Because Right. Being spiritual. Right. You can have a spiritual lifestyle, so to speak. Yeah. That's a good one. By, you know, the, the classes or the practitioners you see. But that's all surface level stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:22):

That's our world. To me being spiritual is, is having something that is personal to you, that's happening internal. Right? Absolutely. It's connecting you to a higher realm or a higher version of yourself. And so what a beautiful way of describing that experience and the surrender piece and the trust piece and the fearlessness piece. Because most of us, including me, when we're going through these, I mean, I've heard 'em called so many different things. Spiritual awakenings, I know soul upgrades you know, whatever it is, whatever the language is or the label we give to this process in my opinion, number one, you're never ready because it's startling. It's shocking. Yeah. It's unexpected. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But, you know, I, I say to my clients, lean into it.

Speaker 2 (37:31):

Right.

Speaker 1 (37:31):

Lean into it because you can't escape it.

Speaker 2 (37:34):

No. You

Speaker 1 (37:35):

Know, it's, I mean, you have to be willing mm-hmm <affirmative>. To move through it. Because the irony is, I find when you are willing and you agree to participate in the discomfort of this, it actually moves through quick, more quickly. Yeah. Or without the resistance, you can experience the weirdness of it minus some of the anxiety.

Speaker 2 (38:00):

Well, that's right. Because when you're putting up the block of, in its fear, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. You're putting up that anxiety mm-hmm <affirmative>. Then it's like this, you know, friction going on Yeah. Inside. Right. And, and it feels like a pressure cooker. I used to feel like I was in a pressure cooker mm-hmm <affirmative>. And Yeah. It's, and I never understood. People would just say, it's really, you really need to get over this, you know, <laugh>, it's

Speaker 1 (38:23):

Right. Okay. <Laugh>, I'll do my best. You're

Speaker 2 (38:25):

Locking yourself in the house. You're not, you know, my husband, obviously, it took a huge toll on my family life. And it's like, are you going to return to the world? And, and the way that I was before. And I, I didn't think that I could, I didn't know how, and that's the other part. I literally did not know how to channel. It felt like I was a conduit. I know you've used that word too. Yeah. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. A conduit of energy coming through and still maneuver in everyday life. Because, you know, as for me now, if I'm walking through the grocery store, it's not just that, you know, I'm, I'm walking wherever I am, but I'm also doing this multitasking Yeah. Of feeling the flow of whatever's moving and whatever's going on around you. You know, you can feel it. I feel it very vividly.

Speaker 2 (39:12):

But now I have come to, I've been doing it for so many years mm-hmm <affirmative>. That it's more of like, breathe it in and let it move through you. Yeah. And it's moving out completely. You don't have to hold on and be afraid of what's coming. Yeah. 'cause It's not really harmful, you know? Right. That was the other thing. I might feel some strange things. Yeah. But they're not really harming me, you know? And that, that took some time too, to accept there's nothing harmful. You are, you know, I would look in the mirror, I'd be feeling very strange, right? Mm-Hmm. Or I'd be out with a friend or my mom and I would be like, do I look okay? 'cause I feel crazy.

Speaker 1 (39:46):

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:47):

You know?

Speaker 1 (39:47):

Yes. Yeah. I had those experiences. Yes. And you're, do I look pale <laugh>? That's

Speaker 2 (39:52):

What I would say. Do I look

Speaker 1 (39:53):

Pale Uhhuh completely.

Speaker 2 (39:55):

And I didn't. Yeah. Did you? I did not look different.

Speaker 1 (39:58):

Yeah. No. Well, it's, it's interesting 'cause I have a neuro immune disorder. Yeah. And those symptoms are part of an actual disease. <Laugh>. Right. <Laugh>. And I mean, that's a whole nother topic. And so my whole life I've been told you know, that I, you know, it's, it's all in my head and it's psychiatric. But just, you know, in the last several years, this field or understanding of what I have has exploded. Yeah. But still, interestingly, I had to go through a lot of the similar process. 'cause I do have the sole upgrades and the, I just call 'em, you know, were times that we're recalibrating. Yeah. And I have that also, but either way the spiritual connections that we have can help us endure just about anything they can that causes distress to the physical body. Right. So everything you're telling me makes so much sense.

Speaker 1 (41:09):

And so you had a, a couple other things that came up in your writings. Could, could I bridge the physical with the boundary with a boundless unseen realm? What did I, what did I have to lose? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. It's interesting, when I read that sentence, what did I have to lose? I, I misread it as what would I need to lose? Ah, another words. So, I mean, which is very interesting misread on my part because <laugh>, I think a lot of us realize as we're moving more into we're recognizing we're a soul first. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. In human form, there are things that we have to shed. Yes. So how is, how would you relate to that question? Like, if you had to shed something to allow yourself to become the more spiritual part or essence of you, what did you have have to release?

Speaker 2 (42:25):

Well, it's a great question. And it's actually, I think my whole entire experience is about shedding mm-hmm <affirmative>. Like you said, it's about undoing. Yeah. And it really is the undoing of a self. Yeah. The undoing of a small self that I believed I was, and you know, I couldn't find much information on this, but I had to go back to read it like hundreds of years ago, people wrote about this stuff mm-hmm <affirmative>. That there's not a lot of talk about completely shedding. And I wouldn't say I have no self at all, but I'm just saying Right. The, the diminishing and the dissolving of an identity and is necessary, and it's not what our mind wants to experience, but it's necessary in order for all of us to wake up and actually return to, to home, to God, to the godhead completely, to whatever you wanna call it.

Speaker 2 (43:12):

I'm sure it has no language at all. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But if, if our path is really all the same, and I, I really truly believe we're all on the same path. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. We're either moving further away from home, or we're turning the corner and moving closer. Yeah. What we do in between is really, it's irrelevant. You know, it's kind of like form. We put so much emphasis on form and, and why wouldn't we really, why wouldn't we, we, we believe it all. So it's here, this is me. We think it's all so meaningful and real. But when you start shedding, like we're talking about mm-hmm <affirmative>. You have glimpses of being into the, the vastness where there is nothing mm-hmm <affirmative>. Or there, there's no complication. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. It's just this pure space, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. You start recognizing that you aren't what you thought you were. Yeah. And that it's, there really is a spiritual plan, or a spirit's plan is for us to just <laugh> remove all the crap that we got.

Speaker 1 (44:08):

Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:09):

Yes. And, and let go of it and return home. Yeah. And I, I keep it as simple as that, Amy. Yeah. It's just, I feel like there's so much complication out there and the spiritual, and it's just, it's like, like you said, the to-do list I have to do, do, do. Well, I think you don't have to do any of that. Yeah. <laugh>. Completely. Completely. You don't, and you don't have to be a so-called spiritual practitioner to be spiritual, like you said.

Speaker 1 (44:33):

Oh, completely.

Speaker 2 (44:34):

You don't, we're all spiritual beings. Some of us are just aware of it, and some of us are not. Yeah. Yeah. But we're all the same underneath all that. Yes. You know? Yes. That's how, so when you say shedding, I think that it's, we all will shed and mm-hmm. And how we do that is unique to each one of us. Right. I don't believe there's one way that we're all shedding. I think that we all have our own experiences in life and mm-hmm <affirmative>. The way that they happen. Why I went through all that, you know, I realize now was necessary in order for me to understand a process that has not been understood for, you know, it's not talked about a lot mm-hmm <affirmative>. Now I kind of understand that the, the importance of it, what it's actually doing is leading us to our true essence.

Speaker 2 (45:17):

Oh. And I think that there's a dark side to it that no one wants to talk about. Yeah. And I'm here to talk about it candidly but with some humor. You know, it Yeah. It is what it is. When you start shedding, there will be some difficulty. I'm not going to lie to people, you know, <laugh>. Yeah. There's the part where it's very terrifying. The fear can be overwhelming, but the spirit, spirit is always there. It's right there with you. Yeah. And, and you really have to say, I I can't do it alone. Yes. I need spiritual guidance. And you just ask spirit, are you here? Spirit guide me. I don't understand it, so guide me. Yeah. And I think the more you open yourself to that mm-hmm <affirmative>. And not caring so much about the form of it, because Right. Your physical life is going to continue like no matter what we're doing. Right. Right. It just does. I mean, I have four kids now, 21, the youngest are six 16, and we've had a lot of chaos in the house over the years, you

Speaker 1 (46:15):

Know? Oh, I bet <laugh> it

Speaker 2 (46:16):

Still happening.

Speaker 1 (46:17):

Yeah. And

Speaker 2 (46:17):

It's always happening. Yeah. But underneath it, there's the option, do I wanna connect even in this chaotic moment with spirit and not react so crazily and just allow this to simmer before I jump and scream at somebody or <laugh>, you

Speaker 1 (46:33):

Know? Exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:34):

Or yeah. Or which side am I going to work with? And, and that's kind of where it brought me and where I like to help people now is mm-hmm <affirmative>. The form of wherever you are is, it doesn't matter. It's perfect for where you are.

Speaker 1 (46:47):

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and Lindsay, I I really would love for you to share more about the work that you do now with, with your clients and the book that you contributed to and anything coming up the pike. So, but let's start with the work that you do now so people understand

Speaker 2 (47:10):

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:12):

How you can help them.

Speaker 2 (47:13):

Well, I am, I work one-on-one with people, and I just started a few years ago, so, you know, after all this, I said I, I really would love to help people. So I'm still trying to reach out, but I've had a handful of people that I've worked with, and the number one thing that I've noticed that people will say is, am I going crazy? Yeah. You know, am I going crazy? And it's like, you know, there's a, that's actually kind of a, a funny statement because the mind actually does go crazy. <Laugh>. Yeah. In fact, the mind is, all of our minds are a little bit nutty. They are in order to be here. So I try to just reassure people and provide a space for whatever experience the person's going through because mm-hmm <affirmative>. We all have a different one. Yeah. Like, I can't offer you, oh, you just do X, Y, and Z and everything's going to be amazing. Yeah. It's more about understanding what's happening 'cause mm-hmm <affirmative>. That's huge, right? Oh

Speaker 1 (48:05):

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:06):

It's huge. Just having some peace of mind and knowing that this has happened to other people and it's been going on since the dawn of man Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:15):

<Laugh> completely

Speaker 2 (48:17):

Is, is reassuring to everybody. You know. Sure. And then I just work one-on-one and meet people where they are like, where, oh, I love it. Where are you at? And what do you wanna work on? And what are you trying to feel better? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And mostly it's about feeling peace, you know, more peace as I move through this process mm-hmm <affirmative>. And feeling comfortable and confident that no matter what happens with your undoing process mm-hmm <affirmative>. That you will have the comfort and the tools to move through it with grace. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. You know, and I think that's because none of us can predict the future about how far spirit is going to lead us. We don't know that.

Speaker 1 (48:53):

Oh, sure. I, that was one of the other <laugh> quotes. We never know how far spirit will lead us, how much I'm doing, we will experience or where we are headed next. And that's so brilliant. Right. Our human mind wants to know, right. Oh yeah. Where, what the future holds and what we need to do to prepare Yeah. For that. But there's a whole, what I've discovered is there's a whole lot of learning to be fully present in each moment. Yes. And not to focus too much on the past No. Or too much on the future. No. 'cause You will miss out.

Speaker 2 (49:34):

Yeah. Well, and you can only ever do it now, you know, so it, and we can, you could spend so much time worrying about the past, a lot of, and there may be things necessary to look at in the past. Yeah. But I think ultimately you can undo it all. And right now Yeah. The choice is now and why wallow for another, you know, year when you don't have to <laugh>. Right,

Speaker 1 (49:57):

Right. Oh gosh, Lindsay, what I would've given for a mentor, because I, I did actually have things going on physical that were quite serious. Yeah. But also my own version of spiritual Awakening. It's interesting. You, your body deals with it in terms of heat. Mine was cool. Air <laugh>.

Speaker 2 (50:19):

Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 (50:20):

I don't know what it is. You show in the bag, you probably have a perfect temperature. Right.

Speaker 2 (50:25):

We need to get together and Yeah. Completely.

Speaker 1 (50:27):

You know, even people in my space were like, oh my gosh, my, my fireplace is set to kick on when the temperature lowers. Oh, interesting. Oh. So as I'm working with people, I'm like, I did not do that. <Laugh>, they know me. They're like, yeah, we did this, didn't we? I'm like, yes, we did <laugh>. But it's amazing how you know, it's cla senti, we experience spirit. Clair sentient. We get Yeah. Feelings or sensations or temperature shifts in our body. I'm here to tell you, I mean, short of that menopausal thing, <laugh> or other weird hormonal shifts that women experience, I don't know, I feel like in almost every season of their life Oh, yeah. All the time. It's also a remarkable spiritual phenomenon. Yeah. I think it would help people to know just that it

Speaker 2 (51:24):

Is, well, it's a pur the purifying quality, I think is something that anybody listening could just take it as that. Sure. It's purifying something. Yeah. You know, and like when you think of the body in sweating, I mean, the body's releasing something, so it's not always something to be afraid of, you know, it's just releasing. And, and then that can also play out, like in your mental world. I mean, it can be on all levels of your being, you know, completely not just physical. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:48):

Completely.

Speaker 2 (51:50):

So I work one-on-one with people, but I also do a weekly podcast where I just talk about all these things, you know? Yeah. Waking up, practical spirituality. I like to bring real life to it because we're all, all of us are walking a difficult path. I mean, I kind of get tired of hearing like, oh, it's just love and light. I'm like, you know, it's not always love and light. Yeah. Those are great. Like, I'm not, I'm saying it's wonderful, but we do experience like a whole array Oh my goodness. Of things as humans. So

Speaker 1 (52:18):

It's a process.

Speaker 2 (52:19):

Yeah. And laughing at it and, and really laughing at some of the things we do is really helpful. I think <laugh> absolutely. I do it all the time, but,

Speaker 1 (52:27):

Well, and, and, and you are, you know, I wanna share with our viewers and listeners Lindsay, you are an exceptional writer. Reading your, your work was, I mean, really, really moved me deeply inside. It was like you took me there I was with you as I, and, and so, and so many deep metaphysical questions that I wish the world would, would awaken to even answering some of these deeper questions that you've asked yourself Yeah. That you've shared with, with others. So where can people read what you've written? Because Oh yeah. It's so beautiful and so poignant. Well,

Speaker 2 (53:12):

I was an author, contributing author to a recent book. Awakened Magazine is an online publication that I'm a, a contributing author to. Okay. And they put together a book called Awakened Hearts. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And there is two volumes. There's volume one and volume two, I'm in volume two. And you can get on Amazon and it's Awakened Hearts, I think it's sacred. Stories of breaking free and rising Higher. Oh. And I'm chapter 11 in there. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So you could, you could just click on, you can literally download it for like a book, I think, on, on Kindle, you know? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And you can read the whole story. I also do blog posts. I haven't written a lot recently, but there's quite a few blog posts on my website@livelikeeden.com mm-hmm <affirmative>. And I'm hoping in the future to put out a whole book on it. So

Speaker 1 (54:00):

Stay tuned. <Laugh>, we need you. We absolutely need you. And your incredible, your incredible wisdom, right. Because there's, and, and, and that's another thing that's really struck me about your work in your approach, in your, this whole paradigm shift mm-hmm <affirmative>. That many meta physicians like you experience is like, there is a huge difference between knowledge and wisdom. And when you have a spiritual awakening that's so deeply stirring what we glean from that is wisdom. And that's the kind of mentors we need, just like you Lindsay, who have actually experienced it and have been so incredibly honest, open, and available to others. So I, I so appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (55:01):

Oh, well, you're welcome. I mean, if I, I, sometimes I have to pinch myself because there was a a period of time where I never thought I would get out of it. Ever.

Speaker 1 (55:09):

Uhhuh. <Affirmative>. Sure.

Speaker 2 (55:10):

Yeah. It was like, I'm going to have to go live in a hut in the woods. Yeah. And I live in Colorado, so I was like, I could just go find House <laugh> completely

Speaker 2 (55:18):

And, and leave the family and I wouldn't be a burden. But that really wasn't the point either. And for anybody out there who struggles with that, like, I wanna escape the world because I can't handle what's happening to me. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. There's a time and a place for isolation, and it can be very beautiful and rejuvenating. But then there's also, I think the message is, you know, spirit is with us no matter what's going on in your life. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And, you know, and you just have to learn how to bring it forth with whatever you're doing. And it, you can do whatever you want in your life. You know, you do whatever you need to do, but you do it with something greater. And that's kind of what, where I sit and where I try to, you know, shine a light on for people that when everything looks so bleak and you know, everything's horrible, those are the best moments for opening up into something new.

Speaker 1 (56:06):

I love it. I love your message. Lindsay Vera live like Eden, live like eden.com. Look her up, read more about her work, her writing, find her contributions to, is it the, the magazine again?

Speaker 2 (56:28):

It's Awaken magazine. Um.Com. Yeah, you can just go

Speaker 1 (56:31):

On awaken magazine.com. 'cause I know a lot of people who listen to podcasts are also avid readers. Yeah. So I just want everybody to know where to find this gorgeous soul, Lindsay. Oh, you're

Speaker 2 (56:44):

Sweet. Lindsay,

Speaker 1 (56:45):

I appreciate you so much. Thank you wholeheartedly for your time and your story and your light and your amazing services. I don't know of a single soul on the planet like you, so Thank you,

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<Laugh>. Oh, thank you, Amy, for having me. It was such a joy. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:02):

You bet. All right. Well, until next time, my friends, thank you for joining us.