Healing is Possible with God (with Jeannie Spear)

When the unimaginable happens, and trust is shattered, where does one turn for healing? Jeanie Spear bravely opens her heart to us, recounting the tumultuous journey of healing from the deep scars of betrayal. Engage with an emotional narrative that intertwines the struggles of faith, doubt, and the search for inner strength in our latest episode. Our conversation is a profound exploration of how the physical and emotional ramifications of betrayal trauma can be navigated with the help of unwavering faith and the acceptance of divine love.

Throughout this episode, we share an intimate look at the delicate process of rebuilding one's faith amidst the ruins of heartbreak. I offer insights into the importance of holding onto even the smallest seed of faith during life's darkest storms. Jeanie and I discuss the incredible transformation that can occur when we view our most painful trials as opportunities for growth—like finding a precious diamond in a soggy box. Our discussion is a testament to the idea that everyone is valued in the eyes of the divine, a message that resonates with anyone seeking solace after facing profound personal challenges.

As we wrap up our time together, Jeanie Spear extends her coaching expertise, offering resources for those embarking on their own paths to healing. I warmly encourage you to engage with Jeanie's online offerings and take part in my Unashamed Image program, designed to facilitate your journey toward recovery. Through this episode, we foster a community brimming with support and guidance, ready to help you rediscover hope and reclaim your life in the comforting embrace of Christ's love. Join us for a conversation that promises to be not only an emotional salve but a beacon of hope for anyone walking the path towards healing after betrayal.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 1:03

Hey everyone, it's Erin Anderson with the Erin Anderson B-Trail Trauma Coaching. I am super excited that you have tuned in. Today. Let's keep talking about how to heal from B-Trail Trauma. Welcome to the other side of the struggle. This is a podcast where we talk about trauma, how to heal it and then how to take it and use it to unlock your mission and your potential and to use it to live your very best dream life. When you're dealing with B-Trail Trauma, it can be hard to know how to heal it, how to stop the pain and to know what your next steps are to take in your own life, and these are the questions that we try to answer here. Trauma has the ability to rob us of our joy and identity, which is why it's so miserable to experience. But with the right tools and with the right mindset, we can totally reclaim that joy and even use this trauma to strengthen ourselves, so that way, trauma does not knock us off of our joy again. Living your dream life should be a non-negotiable, but trauma tends to try to negotiate that with you and even though trauma is not something that we will completely ever be free of in our life, the pain is negotiable. This is why I created Aaron Anderson B-Trail Trauma Coaching and this podcast is because I want my listeners, I want my clients, to live truly live free from the prison that trauma can put you in. I want you to live on the other side of the struggle. Hey, everyone, welcome back to another episode of the other side of the struggle. I'm so excited to be with you guys today.

Speaker 1: 3:43

I have another fabulous guest speaker with me today. We have Jeanie Spear with us and let me tell you a little bit about Jeanie. She and I have been chatting back and forth for the last couple of weeks. She's been talking about healing trauma, but the thing that I really love about Jeanie is how she uses God so much in her healing work and in her story. You just got such a big presence with her and that's so important to me because, as you guys have listened to my podcast and you've heard me, he's also a really big part of my healing journey and, honestly, if I had to say, if there's anything to do to heal from any types of trauma, it is 100% to rely on God, and if you don't believe in God, then you're highest form of love. It's that high. This is why I had Jeanie on the podcast today is to talk about what it looks like to heal with God and what are the results that we get when we finally lean into that. Without further ado, I want to welcome Jeanie on.

Speaker 2: 4:59

Well, thank you very much, erin. I'm excited to be here and I've loved getting to know you and hear your story and your strengths.

Speaker 1: 5:07

Well, thank you, I appreciate that. I would love the audience to kind of get to know you and your story just a little bit. If you're okay to share that, sure, sure.

Speaker 2: 5:17

I am. I was married 48 years when I quote-unquote accidentally found out about my husband's betrayal. He had been sick and I had been taking care of him, so I was a caregiver and not a happy marriage anyway. Throughout. I was kind of the last person on his totem pole he was concerned about, but he was facing his mortality and he was praying in the middle of the night, quote-unquote praying, and it woke me up and he said certain things that made me realize he had had an affair. And he kept saying oh God, jeanie can never find out, jeanie can never find out, she'll leave me. And then the most horrific thing he said is I need to get ahold of her to apologize for ruining her life. And that's at that moment I knew that I was not gonna stay in the marriage because he doesn't want God to know, he doesn't want, he's telling God not to let me find out that he had had this affair, a 28 year affair, but yet he's concerned about taking care of her still. And the affair actually only stopped when he got sick and it was a pretty horrific affair. She was an active participant. So to me it was devastating.

Speaker 2: 6:47

I had no idea, I suspected nothing, I trusted him because he went through all the motions, he acted the part. But in looking back I could see how very much I was gaslit, how very much he manipulated me and others around him. So over a course of a few years I divorced him. But my pain was so intense. There were times I couldn't function. Yeah, there were times I could not think, I could not feel, and it's shocked me how much physical pain I had, and I'm sure a lot of your listeners have had that physical pain. I developed a heart issue, wow, and I researched that because I thought that's crazy. But I had so much pain in my heart that sometimes I was bent over in pain. So I researched it and yes, trauma, super trauma, can cause health issues, including heart issues.

Speaker 1: 7:54

Oh yeah, Absolutely Heart issues. Liver, gut, brain, like you name it. It's insane. I've heard so many people when I say you're having a trauma response, when they're talking about their pain, they're like, ah, that stuff doesn't affect you physically. I'm like, no, no, no, actually your emotions store in your body. They really do, and so I completely and utterly believe you that that type of emotional pain does cause actually a disruption in our mitochondria.

Speaker 2: 8:33

Yes, that's exactly right. So I hope any of you listeners realize that if they're having physical sensations like you've just described, that there is a reaction of their trauma. But through a few weeks of my trauma and it did take me quite a while to heal I knew I wasn't going to let it control me. And I was in a lot of pain one afternoon and I'm kind of pacing around, crying angry, hurt, never really had denial because I knew for sure it was true. But I felt like I couldn't handle it anymore and I prayed very, very hard and said I can't do this. This is going to kill me and I can't do this. You've got to take the pain away.

Speaker 2: 9:31

And he did my pain. Everything was just lifted and I felt like I was being embraced. It was a physical sensation that I felt like I was being embraced by Christ and it was lifted so much it didn't go away completely because I feel like I needed to heal and in order to heal I had to be reminded. Let's say so. I still had all the sensations, but they were very much diminished, very much in control, and because of that I knew that God was with me and that everything I was going to do from that time forward. I would do with his help.

Speaker 1: 10:19

Yeah, beautiful, you know, I love that because the thing is that's very similar to my story. I had gotten to a point where I just could not handle it anymore. I just couldn't handle the pain. I couldn't handle the hurt, the betrayal and especially all the thoughts that were coming up about myself, right, like, what the heck? What was wrong with me? Why couldn't I be lovable? Why do people think they can hide things from me? All of these things, what is wrong with me? And so Common response, and it's really interesting, totally trauma's response.

Speaker 1: 10:58

It's really interesting that when you sit there and say something's wrong with me, something's wrong with me, something's wrong with me, your brain responds. Likewise, it creates something wrong with you, right, right. And so it's like when we heal. I love this topic because if you think about scriptural references to Christ and his work and the healing glory that he did, he healed people on a mental, emotional, physical and spiritual level, exactly, you know, a complete and utter transformation. And so once we finally just give one of those areas to him, just one, that's the one Everything else starts to come back up. You know what I?

Speaker 2: 11:50

mean I like that. I like that example giving him just one. I had not thought about that because I was just saying take it all away, take it, I don't want it, I can't deal with it. But it was just one action on his part. So that kind of goes along with that One action on his part embracing me and taking away the deep, deep, deep pain that I couldn't function with, kind of goes back to Elder Bednar's talk, the one he does so much for the one, and my scripture of choice became I can do all things through Christ, which strengthens me. Oh, I love that Hanging up around my house. A lot of my relief aside, lessons, I take a painting of that that says that, because that became my mantra I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me. That doesn't mean there's painful steps along the way, yeah. It doesn't mean I'm going to slip, but I can do it.

Speaker 1: 12:56

Absolutely, absolutely, and there's really nothing that we can't do with him. You know what I mean, yes, by ourselves, absolutely. There are some things you just cannot do, but with him all things are totally possible. You and I are both saying this here that to completely and utterly heal takes an act of faith. It is an act of faith, it always has been an act of faith, and you know, I remember thinking to myself when I was going through my trauma if he was just in front of me, if Christ could just stand in front of me and touch me, I know I'd be healed. And it wasn't until I really considered that and I was like you know what? I'm actually putting a limit on his power, okay.

Speaker 1: 13:49

I'm thinking that he has to be right in front of me in order to heal me, like. No, he can do it without being in front of me. And once I learned to trust that, right, once I learned to trust that and really lean into that, oh my goodness, you're right. Like he started teaching me some really amazing things. He didn't take it all away from me all at once, right, it took some time, and I would say even now, like I'm still learning so many beautiful, beautiful lessons, right, that I just never considered before. Like, for example, there's something I've been working on for years, right, and because it's taken me time to get the result that I want and it's starting to come, like I can start to see it now. Right, but it's been a really hard road.

Speaker 1: 14:52

And the thing is, is I'm like, what else do I need to do? Like I've been praying, I've been asking, like I hear you, but, like, on this subject, you are silent. Why, what do you need from me? Like, what am I supposed to do? And I was reading, actually, you know, in the Brother of Jared, and it talks about, like Christ saying what would you have me do? And I was like, oh my gosh, like that's the answer, right, it's not about what I'm doing anymore, but me actually asking him to do something as well, and once I've started doing that, that's when things start coming to pass.

Speaker 1: 15:36

And so it's like, you know, it's all about having this relationship with God Before you're higher power, like to truly heal. That's exactly what it is. You know, it took me a year and a half to finally get to a place where, you know, I felt really really safe and secure in myself. You know, I still remember the day my husband's like I've been lying to you, I have been still looking at porn, I'm still struggling with it and I'm just like, tell me about that, right, like there was no emotional, like baggage there was like nothing, no pain, and I was shocked.

Speaker 1: 16:22

I was like hold on a second, like we have got to experience this moment, like there's, there's no pain. I'm not angry, I'm not taking it on myself, I'm not blaming myself, I'm still okay, I'm happy, I'm safe, I'm good, I'm totally good and it's from that's that really beginning, when I was just like, okay, like you're saying, take it, and I'm like God, I'll do your will. I Me, doing it this way is not working and I kind of.

Speaker 1: 17:05

Exactly and I kind of I explain this kind of like a Rubik's Cube. You know my 14 year old. He loves Rubik's cubes. He's, you know, constantly Messing with them and Trying to get the fastest time possible. I think he's solved a Rubik's Cube in about 10 seconds, right, so he's oh, my goodness, yeah he's really good.

Speaker 2: 17:32

He's really good at it.

Speaker 1: 17:35

But the thing is is, once we start with that Rubik's Cube like, if you hand it to me, it, I'm not gonna solve that in 10 seconds, right, and I might not even solve it at all, but we give it to somebody who knows how to do it and they can show us how to do this, how to get out of, solve it quicker, how to be really fast at it, how to amp up our time to heal quicker, right? Mm-hmm, I Mean it would seem like a year and a half is a long time, but considering the 10 years I stayed stuck in the energy, year and a half was nothing.

Speaker 2: 18:18

That's true and that's really a good point for your listeners to realize, Because I've had clients that were in to five years and still really suffering.

Speaker 1: 18:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:29

So there, we each have our own timeline, but I really like your comments of faith. I Expected this from God, I expected this, I expected this. But then when you turn it around and say I have the faith to do what you want me to do and I think a lot of women in trauma and I'm including men too, but more women experience them they they wonder why God wasn't there for them and that it can really be a struggle of their faith. It can really test their faith and their relationship with God. So I just, I just want to to remind anybody listening that if you are struggling, there is a way out of that struggle.

Speaker 2: 19:16

And it may be tiny, tiny steps for you. It was a big whoosh for me, it was a big whoosh for you, but it isn't that way for all for all, for everyone. Even I've got a couple clients that were Were strong in their faith and and then this happened and they started questioning. So if you use the tiny bit of faith you have and it's okay to question, it's okay they say God, why weren't you there for me? As long as you open your heart and listen to his answer. So I think that's kind of the clue for a lot of people that might be struggling with their faith and with healing with Christ. Take a minute or two or three or an hour or a half or noon and focus on what one thing can I do today with? I help to heal Some people if they stay in their marriage. It it works and the spouse works hard. Some people stay in their marriage and Then they're in trauma for years and years and years because the spouse isn't working. They're or leaning on Christ. But we each have to have our own little individual Relationship with Christ. Your your example of.

Speaker 2: 20:36

I wanted Christ right in front of me. What came to me, my mind, is Christ is right in front of you. We just can't see him Spiritually. He is in front of us spiritually, he is around us. I don't think we can comprehend his power that he can be there for me and you at the same time. Yeah, other millions of people, yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:57

But, he has the power we don't have. So I just, if I sound like I'm rambling, I apologize, but I know that I've had a few clients that just said God's not here, god's not here, god's not here, nothing I do, I can't feel him. But in working with them and getting them to say there's one thing I can do, there's just one thing I can do today, if that is sit and Breathe for five minutes and say, god, I want to heal. That's, that's the one thing.

Speaker 2: 21:23

Yeah but Christ can be there in all of our healing, all of our steps. When we're in deep pain, he's holding us up.

Speaker 1: 21:30

Yep.

Speaker 2: 21:31

Yeah, it's in the sand, kind of yeah story where you know there's only one foot print in the sand and that's God says. That's when I was carrying you.

Speaker 1: 21:41

Exactly. I gotta tell you I I've been in that situation. You know where I'm like. God doesn't care, Right if he cared about me. He won't allow this kind of stuff to happen right, we've all said that, I think.

Speaker 1: 21:57

I think we have. I really think we have. But here's the deal you and I would not be in the situations we're in now had we not had the experiences we've had. You know, and I talk about this in, I called it the the the precious diamond soggy box Right theory. And it's like you know, here's God, he's, he's got this beautiful Billion-dollar diamond right and and he's shaped it and he's fastened it just for you.

Speaker 1: 22:37

There's not a single person on earth that doesn't want that diamond Right, and all the things we could do was with that kind of wealth, right.

Speaker 1: 22:48

But he tests our faith first by grabbing a box out of the sewer Right, it's been sitting there, it's ripe, it's it's been floating for a bit Right in the sewer and he wraps up that diamond in that sewage right. And the thing is, the thing is, is you look at that box and you're like, yeah, if I touch that thing I'm gonna die, right, I'm gonna get a paper cut and I am going to die like it's gonna be bad. But the thing is, is we have to remember that, that that diamond is still there. You know, it doesn't diminish. Even though the diamond might be dripping in sewage Right, it doesn't diminish the value of that diamond. It's still very, very valuable and for me that diamond was absolutely all the trauma I went through that the, the, the box, I should say was the trauma but, the, the knowledge I've gained, um, building a business around that kind of knowledge, you know, helping women Heal from trauma and build their own businesses because of it.

Speaker 1: 26:34

Right, and doing the same thing I've been doing, that is so valuable, right, so valuable, and like the wisdom, oh my gosh, the things that he teaches me. It's beautiful beyond compare. And the thing is is we just have to trust him enough to know that that diamond is in that box. I Right, if all we're seeing is the box, yeah, it's going to be hard to trust him.

Speaker 2: 27:09

I love that analogy. The whole time you're talking I'm thinking who is the diamond?

Speaker 1: 27:15

Oh, we are.

Speaker 2: 27:17

We are the diamond and I just love that analogy because you feel like you're in the sewer and you're in so much pain and sometimes your family doesn't. He doesn't believe you or doesn't support you, Community doesn't support you or you live in painful silence and share your pain with no one. But Christ is there for all of it.

Speaker 1: 27:43

Yes, that's something you can hide from him.

Speaker 2: 27:45

No, you can't hide it from him. He already knows your pain, but rarely does he step in and take over without you asking him, and then it's just long enough to get you back to where you can heal. I mean, even Christ in Gethsemane was in so much pain and he said God, I can't do this, I can't do this, take it away from me. When it wasn't taken away from me, he had the strength to finish it, and pain will never be able to comprehend. But looking for Christ in small things, I think we grow so much in our pain. We don't want it. I didn't want any of this. I wanted to be totally faithful, wonderful, without any pain. And it's just not the way the world is set up. No, christ suffered and he knows our pain and he's the only one that can really feel it and take it away from us to help us get through. Take it away long enough. Just do the next step to heal.

Speaker 1: 28:57

Yeah, you know, I love what you were saying here too, because you're saying you know, like victim blaming is a thing. There's a lot of shame around what the victim has gone through, right, we hear like the worst possible advice ever towards victims that have gone through deep betrayal, like you should just give it in more sex, right? What horrible advice. Yes, horrible advice. Well, you must have done something to create that right. Horrible advice. Or, honestly, sometimes it's also just as painful to hear are you married? A loser? Right? True, that's true.

Speaker 2: 29:43

And it's still your fault, it's still your fault.

Speaker 1: 29:46

It's like, well, thanks so much for having faith in my decisions, right, and it's like, you know, the thing of the matter is you do need someone who understands you when you have gone through this kind of stuff. You are so fragile and so the least little thing can either make you or break you, right, right, and this is why we're saying, like, you know, there is good advice out there, there's really good advice out there. There's really good therapists out there. There's people out there that totally know how to help you. Jeannie and I, right, we know how to help people going through this kind of stuff because we've been there, we've done it, we know what it feels like, we're going to be gentle with you. But also, you know, let you know like this is what it takes To heal.

Speaker 1: 30:37

But really, if you want the deep-seated healing, there's nobody nobody even between you and I, but there's nobody that knows it better than Christ. Right, and the way that he heals it is, he literally takes the infection out that emotional, that mental, that spiritual and even physical infection out, and he replaces it with a little bit of healing and he replaces it with love for you. And I think this is sometimes where we get stuck, where we get into the I don't hear him phase right and I hear this in, you know, both men and women is just that I don't deserve love, and so we bat it away every single time If we don't actually consider ourselves as worthy and deserving of love. This is something that's going to keep us stuck in the trauma consistently, over and over and over again. It isn't until we trust that that we are lovable, even if people on this earth have proven something different. All it doesn't prove that you're unlovable. What that has proven to you is that they're broken. That is it.

Speaker 2: 31:57

You know, that kind of goes back to what I said about the tiny steps. When someone is so beaten down, they can't feel love, they can't feel anything for themselves. But shame here again, if you can just do one tiny thing and realize, yes, there is a tiny thing, there is a little glimmer of hope, it's like the candle in the corner. There's a little glimmer of hope because we are God's children and that makes us worthy and that makes us lovable, because we have had an earth life that has beaten us down. That is Satan. Satan wants us to feel that way and you get caught in this rumination of I'm not good enough, I wasn't good enough for him. No one understands me, this is my fault, your priesthood leaders.

Speaker 2: 32:54

I think most priesthood leaders are great. But there are priesthood leaders that are clueless and I don't fault them. It's a cultural type stuff. I don't fault them. They're trying their best. But they also have a concern for the unrepentant, for the sinner. They also have a concern there, sometimes more concern for the person who is sinned than the person that was victimized, because they don't understand the pain and many women don't feel like they can share the pain. But you can tell Christ anything. I even swore in my prayers a few times.

Speaker 1: 33:36

I did.

Speaker 2: 33:37

I swore at him too. Oh man, let's put that out there for other people that are feeling guilty.

Speaker 1: 33:44

That makes me so happy to hear you say that too, because I was like when you get that angry, you've got to let it out. The thing is, he doesn't judge you for it. No, of course he wants you to speak with love and respect to him, but he also understands that you're human. You're not perfect and he's not going to judge and you're hurting. You're hurting so bad and so he's not judging you. So, honestly, if we've got to deal with that kind of emotion, what a better place to let that out.

Speaker 2: 34:19

I agree I was really scared the first time I told somebody I swore in my prayer, and it was my stake president that I told. I said I've got so much repenting to do. He said, jeannie, you have nothing to repent of. That comforted me so much to think. Okay, here's my stake president, who knows it all and has heard it all, and I just told him I swore in my prayers and he's not judging me. That made me just confirm to me that Christ was speaking through him too, because I needed some affirmations besides. A physical affirmation from a priesthood leader was beautiful, and I think most priesthood leaders do their absolute best.

Speaker 2: 35:09

I agree, I do too, and I think that if we are trying to incorporate Christ into every little aspect of our life, and if you're driving down the road and you're feeling something, just do a quick little prayer, just say, take a breath and say, just give me five minutes of peace. Things like that are going to add up and add up and add up and you're going to be able to feel that and you are going to be able to heal. And I want to tell everybody here you can heal Absolutely. It takes steps. It's not. You don't get down, say Christ, heal me, and get him to be done. That's a pretty rare thing that happens. We hear of those kind of miracles, but we're here on earth to learn, to grow, to take steps, to fall, to get back up, to give advice, to take advice and always ask Christ to help you get through your trials. And then listen, give him the Spirit, give him the open heart.

Speaker 1: 36:11

Yeah, Absolutely, absolutely. And sometimes you know that heart looks like it's been kicked and bruised and shattered and broken and the thing is is we have a craftsman as a king. This is why, like God loves broken things, he loves broken things and he loves whole things too. But you as his child are so beloved, so beloved. He wants to pick you up, he wants to put you on his lap and just let you cry in his shoulder.

Speaker 2: 36:51

Right, I love that analogy.

Speaker 1: 36:54

He absolutely does, absolutely does. And the thing is is he's just when, when oh my goodness, I'm going to start getting emotional. But when you understand how deeply God loves you and how kind and gentle he is and how precious you are to him, his pain transforms into a relationship with the greatest being in the cosmos and you understand how loved you really really are. That understanding brings a confidence to you. And when you don't know what to do I mean there's still times that I don't know what to do I'm just like, wow, that's a, that's a new one, lord right.

Speaker 2: 37:51

That's a new one.

Speaker 1: 37:56

But I still know he's there and he's still walking me through it. He's never abandoned me, but he has carried me. He has carried me Absolutely and I still think he does carry me sometimes.

Speaker 2: 38:10

Oh, I know he carries me a lot, he still does A lot because one thing and then another, and you look back and you think, oh, I really survived that, even little things, I really survived that. And then take a minute and say thank you God, because I couldn't have done it on my own. Maybe that's the other aspect is, show gratitude to Christ and you might feel him more.

Speaker 1: 38:37

Yeah, yeah, oh, love it, love it. So one small thing, you know for me, Do you notice? To wrap things up, if we can just desire, if our greatest desire is not the pain taken away, if we can take a little bit of that desire and turn it towards scripture, turn it towards prayer, even if it's five minutes, a day putting some drops in that emotional bank account and realizing that the whole entire bank account, the banker, is Christ.

Speaker 1: 39:29

He's the one that owns the bank, he's the one that does the transferring and things like that, but we're the ones that are responsible for putting the deposits in and he matches it by, like actually he does more than match it, he increases it every time we put just a little bit back in. Right, if you guys can realize how important it is to focus on the love that is really there, to realize that it never left. You got distracted and nobody's blaming you for that. Right, right, hurt is distracting.

Speaker 2: 40:13

Like.

Speaker 1: 40:14

I'm sorry If I've got a broken leg. I'm not going to go out on a dance floor, Right? No way, Because I'm at a hospital and I want somebody to drug me up and I want somebody to take care of that leg right.

Speaker 2: 40:29

Take care of me, take care of me.

Speaker 1: 40:31

Yes, please take care of me. It's okay if we're in that space. We don't want to stay in that space, and so the thing that we do need to do is try every single day, just for a little bit, to create a habit, to focus on love.

Speaker 2: 40:54

Very well said, Because he's waiting. He's there in our space when we allow ourselves to feel him. And I love what you said just a few minutes of scriptures, just a few minutes of prayer. Some people have lots of kids and they don't have time for a lot of prayer and a lot of scripture reading. Right? One of my best friends, she said the only scripture reading she did was on the toilet. She would read one or two scriptures because her kids would leave her alone in the bathroom. I always thought that was strange and then I got thinking about it. You know what I'm going to reward those efforts.

Speaker 1: 41:37

Yep, yep, I might have to try that.

Speaker 2: 41:42

Yeah, you have little ones. Mine are all gone, so I've got plenty of time but I just want to reiterate that Christ is our Savior, and it's not just something we say when you are in such deep trauma. It's something you can feel, because I literally feel like he saved me.

Speaker 1: 42:06

I do too.

Speaker 2: 42:07

That day and he continues to save me daily. Yeah, and for those of you out there that are still in the deep, deep hurt, please know that there is hope and there is help and that you will heal and you will be stronger spiritually and emotionally stronger, and you'll be a good example to your families.

Speaker 1: 42:34

And I'm going to say, you know, I love that. I'm going to say, you know, I love that. I almost hear someone, one of our listeners, saying I tried that right, oh yes.

Speaker 1: 42:48

I'm going to say I'm going to say if you tried it for a day and then stopped, I want you to try it for a week. If you've tried it for a week and then stopped, I want you to try it for a month. The point here, too, is to try that five minutes a day, consistently, until it becomes a habit. Right Again, just remember, because if you want things to work for you, you are consistent with the pain, you are consistent with the distraction. This is part of the reason why we stay stuck. Is that consistency to stay stuck?

Speaker 2: 43:25

And nobody's blaming you for that right, I mean this is the way the human nature is.

Speaker 1: 43:31

But if you're going to reverse that cycle you have to do something else consistently to reverse it.

Speaker 2: 43:38

And it will come. Meager efforts are rewarded too.

Speaker 1: 43:42

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 43:45

And it's okay to say, god, I'm not getting it, I'm still trying. I'm going to do what Jeanne and Erin said Just keep trying. And if you like to work out, you don't stop. If you want big muscles, you don't stop.

Speaker 1: 44:02

If you want to eat.

Speaker 2: 44:03

You don't stop. And when you slip I slip a lot, but you get back up. You get back to the gym again, you get back to your scriptures again. You look yourself in the mirror and say I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.

Speaker 1: 44:20

Yes, and he will. And he will.

Speaker 2: 44:23

It may take longer than you want, but he will.

Speaker 1: 44:27

Yes, absolutely, jeanne. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Where can people find you?

Speaker 2: 44:36

My website is Jeanne Spear coachingcom and I do have a Facebook page, jeanne Spear coaching, as well.

Speaker 1: 44:46

Fabulous. Go check out Jeanne. You guys, you're also welcome to come hang out with me sometimes. I've got the unashamed image program starting again soon and I will get you guys the dates on that. If you're interested, schedule that call. You guys, schedule a call with me. Go get us a call with Jeanne if you guys are interested in that and if you're really looking to expedite your healing, if you would like more Christ in your life as well, jeanne and I are great at being able to help with that. So let's have a chat. Okay, thank you, definitely. Thanks, jeanne, for being on with us, and we will see you guys on the other side. Bye, we wish you all well. Yes, bye, you guys.

Speaker 1: 45:37

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