Soca Chronicles
Monthly Soca Podcast - Hosts Arkayo and Sharnz explore the people, history, and unforgettable moments behind Soca music and the Carnival experience – from legendary artists and DJ's to personal stories from the road.
Soca Chronicles
Conversational debate: Who is the GOAT of Soca?
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We dive into the controversial debate of who deserves the title of Soca's GOAT and whether carnival culture has become too commercialized.
• DJ Sharnz shares the success of her recent "Brawlin" event in London with tickets for the July 11th follow-up event dropping May 30th
• Highlights from Ibiza Soca Festival in Malta, featuring performances by Kes, Skinny Fabulous, Ridge, and other top Soca artists
• Song of the month: "Attack" by Jus Jay and Jagwa De Champ
• In-depth discussion with guests Bramble and Chanty about criteria for crowning Soca's greatest artist
• Exploration of carnival's evolution, with concerns about rising costs and the balance between commercial interests and cultural preservation
• Discussion about private jump events versus traditional carnival experiences
Tickets for the next Trident London "Brawlin" event on July 11th go on sale May 30th at 6 PM. Visit www.tridentldn.com to purchase.
Link to Ramon G's mix.
Welcome to Soca Chronicles
Speaker 1Welcome to the Soca Chronicles . Soca Chronicles with Sharns and RKO .
Speaker 2Welcome to the 45th episode of Soca Chronicles , the podcast that brings you everything Soca . I am RKO and I'm digitally sitting next to the one and only Sharns .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah yeah .
Speaker 4Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , jesus Christ , get out of my head , man . I'm just sitting here waiting on my phone while you do this . Yo , yo yo , you know . Anyway , even though I said I am daz digitally sitting next to sharns , um , most of this episode will be me physically sitting next to sharns because we have recorded a little studio sesh in london town exactly because we were in town anyway for a certain event that was organized by a certain DJ and perhaps that certain DJ wants to talk about that certain event a bit more .
Speaker 3Which DJ are we talking about ?
Speaker 2It's DJ Kai .
Speaker 4Oh yeah , so we didn't get him in as a guest .
Speaker 2So we're moving on to the next topic . Obviously it'sj sharns with
Trident London: Brawling Event Success
Speaker 2her event brawling . Dj sharns , you tell me how it went ? Akio , you're here . It was epic . It was epic . I mean I . I need to hear from the organizer , though , how it went , but as a guest , I loved it . It felt like I was outside since a long time . Oh yeah , yeah , we sheltered down . It was yeah definitely .
Speaker 3I mean , it was a great turnout yeah , um yeah , I . I mean , I was stressed throughout the whole beginning , but eventually I was able to relax . You know , luckily I had the help of rko and some other good friends . To you know , just try and take the stress off of me a little bit , because anybody who knows anything about organizing events knows that it is one of the most stressful things that you will deal with in your life . Yeah , I mean yes yes , yes , life definitely there we go , but , guys , it was epic .
Speaker 3Thank you to everyone that turned up . The next one is on july 11th . The tickets go on sale the day that this episode drops , the 30th of may , at 6 pm . Just click the link or follow the link wwwtridentldncom , and there you will be able to purchase your tickets from eventbrite . So I will say it one more time if you missed out on the first one in april , I'll let you off , but if you miss this next one in july , never talk to me again , never in your life even if you never started talking to you .
Speaker 2Love it , love it , no , but honestly it was a good , good event . So make sure you join the next one . I need to see if I can fly to london again , because then we might get another studio sesh yes , that would be fantastic , but of course , if you can't make it archaea , there's no pressure .
Speaker 3You made it to the inception Of Brawling , so you forever get a pass .
Speaker 1You never have to attend Another one in your life .
Speaker 5Wow , if you can't .
Speaker 3If you can't you have a pass ? You're good .
Speaker 1Everyone else .
Speaker 3They're not good .
Speaker 2They're not good , love it . Well , yeah , man , I think also there's a lot of pictures online , right , if people want to get a feeling for the vibes there we go .
Speaker 3The pictures are on facebook . There are also video clips on the trident london instagram . So that's trident t-r-i-d-e-n-t-l-d-n on instagram . Go check it out . Yeah , do what you're supposed to do .
Speaker 2Do the right thing yeah , man , then it's time to move on to another successful event , that's by the time of we are recording . This just ended . As usual , I wasn't there , but a certain international dj definitely was oh , for goodness sake , rkj dj kai I'm kidding sharon , tell us about isf , ibiza soca festival , which wasn't in ibiza yes ,
Ibiza Soca Festival in Malta Highlights
Speaker 2yes .
Speaker 3So I'm gonna keep this brief because you know , when I'm excited about things , I can talk more than rko and that is saying something you know I'm saying , so let me keep it brief ISF aka IB , for Soka Festival , which is on tour for the second year .
Speaker 3So last year it went to Malta for the first time . This year it was back in Malta . Your girl , dj Shans , was booked again for this year . I went down and , oh my goodness , I had the time of my life . I had to leave early , though . I left the day that kes performed and I missed his performance and I was so upset about it . But I left for a good cause because , yeah , barbados is calling me and by the time this episode drops I'll be back from barbados and by the time this episode drops , I'll be back from Barbados .
Speaker 2Oh my days .
Speaker 3But yeah , my highlight of ISF , I would say the Juve , was absolutely epic , absolutely epic . Ridge performed and you know Bouillon is running the world right now Ridge performed 100% . Dash performed as well , real bad man Vibes King performed A previous guest of ours , yep , and I think it was just those three who performed . But yep , juve was epic . The pool party was epic as well . The venue was absolutely amazing .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 3Absolutely amazing Epic epic , epic epic . There were two pool parties actually . The first pool party , it pissed it down with rain the whole day , so we had to really yeah , we had to improvise , so I turned up in my bikini well , well well and it was like my favorite bikini as well . And then the other pool party was the following day . I was like I just wasted a whole outfit . I could have worn it at like the proper pool party . I was so upset . But here we are .
Speaker 2I cannot relate .
Speaker 3So Skinny Fabulous was there . Obviously , kes was there , as I said . Dash Ridge Lyrical was there . I got to meet with Lyrical . I got to meet with Skinny , had a small , small conversation with both of them . Obviously , I got to meet Ridge and I will post a little video that Ridge made where he's Bigging me up . I got to post that on my Instagram .
Speaker 3So , yeah , if you missed ISF , do not make the same mistake next year . Like the vibes are unmatched and it's like everybody is just there to have a good time , like literally . I've made so many new connections , I've made new fans . Oh bro , epic trip and I'm so glad that I I made new fans .
Speaker 3Oh bro , epic trip and I'm so glad that I went , and big up to the promoters of ISF for bringing me through again this year . I appreciate it . The support that I got from the other DJs there as well is unmatched , bro . Imagine me I was up hosting bro . I was on a stage hosting me . I can't host to save my life , but I was on a stage hosting Me . I can't host to save my life , but I was on the stage Like walking up my waist and ting Like who . Who was that ? Clearly it was not me . That was my alter ego , malcolm .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , malcolm . Oh my god , I haven't seen Malcolm in a while .
Speaker 3Mate the rum told me I was a big dancer . I was literally literally , but yeah , it was great , it was great . So that is one one that I highly recommend . Ib Fusoka festival for sure it happens around the same time in May , like around my birthday , uh , yeah it's a good thing to celebrate your birthday on you know 100 best birthday ever yeah , well , anyway , yeah , there we go and I did say that I was gonna keep it short , so that is me keeping it short fair enough .
Speaker 2This is true because we do have a packed episode this month . So I say we will move to our very important topic , which is the song of the month .
Speaker 3Oh , and after we'll move to our very important discussion oh yes this is the song of the month this month song of the month is a new one that has been dropped for crop over . It is called attack by josh jay and jaguar the Champ . No long talking RKO . Play the tune let's go .
Speaker 4Attack . Girl lost the attack . The way how you jiggle and start to push back . I can circle your bumper like a racetrack Attack . Lost the attack . Attack girl . Lost the attack . You ready for the bash man ? We'll bend up your back . I reverse the thing . Girl call the sack . Look , girl , you asking for trouble . You coming for the shot . Take a nigga , make you bubble . Look , girl , you asking for trouble . The way you shake your bumper . Just make me see doubles . I want you wiggle like a fish out of water now been over time to get slaughtered and like a anchor , sink your back and I can deal with that Cause you ready to attack . Lost the attack . Attack girl . Lost the attack . The way how you jiggle and start to push back . I can circle your bumper like a racetrack Attack . Lost the attack . Attack . Girl lost the attack . Attack girl , lost the attack . You ready for the Bashman With a nut in your back . I reverse it in . Girl Call this a .
Speaker 1Soca Chronicles , that was .
Speaker 2Jack1JustJ With Attack . And there is so much new music Loading right now , so if you want To get up to date , go to your SoundCloud Mixcloud . Wherever you get your music from , find these mixes . Jell will release mixes . There's all kinds of mixes . Get up to date because the new season is calling and it's good
Song of the Month: "Attack"
Speaker 2music , so let's go .
Speaker 3But let me just drop one thing in . If you want to hear the latest crop over releases , they're all dropping thick and fast . Now . Ramon G , our good friend Ramon G , who we should really get on this podcast at some point .
Speaker 2We should actually let's make it happen .
Speaker 3Let's make something happen .
Speaker 2Let's make something happen .
Speaker 3Let's make something happen , but yeah , Ramon G recently dropped his crop over mix . A snippet of what's been dropped so far . Yeah , so what we will do is we will link it in the description so you can just click it and go to it .
Speaker 2If not , I guess you can go to soundcloud and type in ramon g , maybe find it that way and I think the link , I think the link will be better in it , right , okay , yeah yeah , cool , we'll do that absolutely , and that I think it is time to go into our main segment , which is the discussion that we had , and this discussion is with two of our guests , two of the guests that actually have been somehow involved in this podcast before .
Speaker 2On one end we have Shanti , who was actually part of one of our very first episodes yes , which was actually part of one of our very first episodes yes , which actually we also mentioned in the discussion when we talked about if whining on other people than your man or your woman is good or bad . Make sure to check that episode out . Actually a very good discussion .
Speaker 3Oh , it was for sure , which is timeless , by the way .
Speaker 2And our other guest is Bramble , who is our connoisseur , the crop over , if you want to call it that , and he has done some voice clips for us as well in the past .
Speaker 3Yep , yep , yep and .
Speaker 2I will not talk too much about what we're going to talk to , because we're going to discuss it anyway . So I would just say let's get into it .
Speaker 3Let's go .
Who is the GOAT of Soca?
Speaker 2This is Soca chronicles we are here with a new session and not normal digital session , but a live session there we go we have cameras in the building .
Speaker 2Just wave the camera , please . There we go . People are listening to this . They don't understand what's going on . If you want to understand what's going on , just go to youtube and , you know , watch the episode there . Anyway , we are here with not just charles andKO , but we are here with two additional people who will introduce themselves shortly , and we're going to discuss two topics that I will also unveil a bit later . Let's start with the introduction , though .
Speaker 6So on my left , my name's Bramble , that's it .
Speaker 5Fair play .
Speaker 6Okay , so I've been a Soca fan since , let's say , 2007 2008 . I've basically gone crop over it every year since , like 07 , 08 .
Speaker 5I'll say 07 .
Speaker 3Obviously , I met Chans in 2014 , I think it was 2014 .
Speaker 6I've followed you on Twitter before , yeah , but actually in person Was onans in 2014 , I think it was .
Speaker 3I've followed you on Twitter before , yeah , but actually in person was on .
Speaker 6Acre .
Speaker 3Beach ? I think no , the Acre Beach 2014 .
Speaker 6Yeah , because it was the year I left before Kuduma Day and you cussed me off . Why would you leave before Kuduma Day ?
Speaker 5And there was no reason to go , so basically .
Speaker 6I've known Chans for about 11 years . No room for about seven 2018 .
Speaker 7yeah , about seven years time flies , sorry .
Speaker 6Yeah , that's okay let's not bait up government names people so yeah , and I'm a regular listener of the um the show yeah , I've done a couple of top tens , yeah . Yeah , last few copper yeah , it needs to come off .
Speaker 2Yeah , it needs to come up more often , though , yeah definitely . I think it's , and do not forget that you write very extensive reviews of Cropover yes , I like to read those . Yes , take your time to review there we go all the prices , the best bets , rate it up European , yeah , exactly yeah so obviously I'm starting mine soon by 25 , soon for 25 , exactly I'm waiting for you to do like an online review , or at least share it with the people them definitely , I think that's the next step .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah definitely needs to be shared can I just add one more thing about bramble ? Bramble is literally a crop over connoisseur yeah , that's what I'm saying . Like any road march winner any year , bramble can tell you yeah , they won that year . Literally , you're like an encyclopedia for copper .
Speaker 6I love it . Why is the review ?
Speaker 5because it's there yeah , this is true this is true .
Speaker 3You're very knowledgeable and I love that yeah , 100 but , yeah , so welcome bramble and then on sharon's left .
Speaker 2Right for the viewer , am I right ? Oh , you're right . Left for the viewer we have chance .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , so she has been on the podcast before when we had our subject is it okay to wine with somebody else when you're in a relationship ? So it was you and your significant other that were on there discussing . So welcome . How are you ?
Speaker 7thank you . Thank you for inviting me back you're welcome . It's nice to have you live like all of us together as well this is so different than doing it online in covid times . Oh yeah , that's . How is so different than doing it online ?
Speaker 2in COVID times . Oh yeah , that's how long we've been doing it already . Yeah , it's really crazy .
Speaker 7No , but I'm happy to be here , happy to be in London .
Speaker 3Yeah , lovely , yeah , new outside . Yeah , in the Soca Chronicles studio .
Speaker 1We're wearing the .
Speaker 7Soca Chronicles , merch . There we go . Oh , I'm the only one with a gun .
Speaker 3Yeah , I know , ramble , ramble .
Speaker 5We'll rectify that We'll rectify that soon , don't worry .
Speaker 3Yeah , but yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , are we ?
Speaker 3ready to get into the discussion , I say we are .
Speaker 2We have two topics to discuss . The first one Is a controversial one , because we've been Prediscussing this a bit , but I'm excited to have this On camera as well , because it's a very interesting discussion , and the question that we're going to discuss is who is the goat of soka ? Oh my god so yeah , studio effects in effect get it yeah , yeah , okay you start .
Speaker 1Yeah , I can give the the , I can keep the ball rolling if that's okay .
Speaker 3So yeah , studio effects in effect , get it . Yeah , I can start . Yeah , okay , you start .
Speaker 2I can keep the ball rolling if that's okay . So I think we're going to discuss this . But for me , if I look at , at least recently , who has done the most for the scene ? Who has been most in ? How is it Not in front but like advertising Sokka , or at least on the forefront is a name that we hear a lot when we ask people . You know who do you want to be in the studio for a day with ?
Speaker 3yeah , yeah , it's marcio montano .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , I'm not saying he is the all-time goat of soca , because you can argue you know people before . Uh , marcio montano , in an age that I , you know as a person , don't know much about , but I can name Sparrow . You know people that laid the foundation for Soka . That's a whole different thing like they laid the foundation . So you can argue there absolutely , but at this point in time , marcio Montano , for me Bramble , what do you think ?
Speaker 6if it's hard , because obviously people are patriotic so they're gonna . They're gonna pick an artist from the island , yeah .
Speaker 6So if you ask a grenadian , they may say , oh , it's from grenada or maybe , yeah , grenada if you ask trini , they could say bungee , they could say double m , also beijing , they could say . They could say rick edwin , yeah , you might even say mike grinder , yeah , yeah . So I think I would say for each island even though that's when you say greatest , it has to be one . But I think there's got to be a greatest for each island , okay , but to be fair if you're not that knowledgeable from the island . Yeah , you like . For instance , I don't really listen to certain islands .
Speaker 6I'm not gonna say the islands , but I wouldn't say oh , that's the goat of that island , because I'm that knowledgeable of that island okay it makes sense .
Speaker 3Who do you want to give a go ? Which islands you want to give a go ?
Speaker 2obviously barbados , because yeah do you have a name ?
Speaker 6for barbados , I think , little rick , yeah , yeah , fair enough , fair enough . What would you say for trinidad ?
Speaker 2For Barbeadas , I think , lil Rick . Yeah , fair enough , fair enough .
Speaker 6For Trinidad , then Gotta be Double M or Bungie yeah .
Speaker 1In my opinion yeah .
Speaker 3I'll probably lean .
Speaker 6More towards Double M yeah .
Speaker 3Yeah . But , Bungie's not far behind . No , I hear it , but my argument for that . So obviously Machel is the most Obvious choice , so he has won 11 .
Speaker 2Rojimarch titles .
Speaker 3He's been on Tiny Desk . I mean he runs the Sokosi . But for me if we talk about GOAT we should kind of talk about who has made it outside of the Sokosi . And for me Machel doesn't have a crossover song that would be played in a commercial party in , let's say , london or whatever around a demographic that's not caribbean yeah , but my counterpart to that would be that's like saying mc hammer is the greatest of all time because he sucks more popular and someone is more consistent I hear it .
Speaker 3No , I hear it I hear it .
Speaker 6It's not about who's got the bigger songs , about who's been consistent , is greatest . This is true , not who has the most popular song . I know he hasn't got a popular song at , let's say , a commercial level , but he's got consistent hits this is true he has .
Speaker 3But the hits are consistent inside the soca scene . That's fine . But to have the consistent hits inside the soca scene , that's not helping the Soca scene to grow because it's only staying within Soca . But we need people that have hits that transcend outside of the Soca scene to help Soca to grow . So , for example , I'm going to throw some names out there . I'm not saying that these people are the GOATs P Tempted to Touch . Yes , it's a one-hit wonder .
Speaker 6However , I wouldn't call him a one-hit wonder but that's his biggest song Sorry , yeah , that's what I meant .
Speaker 3But obviously , ru P , you can play that song in a commercial party in London with zero Caribbean people and almost everybody in that party will know that song . Yeah , perfect , almost everybody .
Speaker 6But does that make him the greatest of all time ?
Speaker 3That's what I'm saying . But he has made a massive contribution to soca , so he can be up there , I guess in the talks kind of .
Speaker 2But I'll bring one argument against that . The people who enjoy that song , if you ask them what genre is it , do they know it's okay .
Speaker 7Yeah , this is true , probably , or whatever I think that's the thing with like hello from kes . Yeah , because that gets played in so many different parties now as well like in the netherlands , we hear it at almost every club night and it doesn't have to be a soca night even if it's just like you know , caribbean night exactly yeah , and they play it .
Speaker 7But if you ask people what kind of genre it is , they don't know like in my tour classes I use a lot of soca music and when I ask people so , do you guys know Soca music ?
Speaker 5and they're like no , but if I would put up , like hello .
Speaker 7They're like oh yeah , I know this song , or you know , like a Marsha Montano song , from a rhythm they know oh yeah , I know this rhythm , but I don't know the artist . So it's like , yeah , I do like what you're trying to say like the artist who brings it outside .
Speaker 6Your argument is more of who's got the biggest hit , then who's the greatest of all time ?
Speaker 3This is true , but then I'm also thinking of , like , who has helped to propel Soca ? But even though you're saying that these people don't know that it is Soca , at least they know a Soca song . Do you know what I'm saying ? And there are other songs , like Follow the Leader , that gets played at like every non-Caribbean wedding .
Speaker 7Do you know what I mean ?
Speaker 3Like that song gets played at the Egon .
Speaker 7To be fair , I didn't know that was Soca . Yeah , that song was always played so I'm from Curacao and at our family parties that song was always played . I did not know that was Soca .
Speaker 6Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 7Until I met you guys Wait .
Speaker 2Who let the dogs out , isn't he saying in ?
Speaker 3the song I love .
Speaker 2Soca , I know Wow .
Speaker 6It couldn't be so more obvious . Oh my god , I'm smart on paper .
Speaker 7Guys , leave me alone .
Speaker 1No , no , but I understand , I'm the same .
Speaker 2It clicks sometimes , so just to finish up what's ? Your GOAT nominee .
Speaker 7Oh , it's gonna be controversial as well , I guess . Oh , can't wait , I like controversial , but you guys know , I mean people that know me know if you're gonna say hollow back , then I'm gonna have an issue with you .
Speaker 2No , oh god , oh no , oh , I don't know what you're gonna say .
Speaker 3Yeah , because I was about to say , because you said people who know , me know and I think oh my god , I don't know her . I don't know as well as I want to hear the name I know who you're going to say and it the name is three letters yeah , three letters .
Speaker 2And you just mentioned about it already , the song that's played . Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 3Kez . There we go , kez . Why would you say Kez ? He's hot .
Speaker 6So that's the criteria for being a coach .
Speaker 1Literally .
Speaker 2You know what ? What you're saying ?
Speaker 6is actually Hitting the point of the discussion so far .
Speaker 2So what's the criteria Exactly ? What is the definition of the coach ?
Speaker 7I honestly wanted to ask that what's the definition that we're taking for this discussion ? But then I was like , is that too serious ?
Speaker 3No , but I guess there could be . I guess the definition of goat would depend on each individual person . I don't think there's one main criteria , so it's just based on your criteria .
Speaker 7Yeah . Not just hotness , but actually hold on . What is everyone's criteria ? Sorry to cut you off , no , no worries , no worries . Um , I think for me , um , because I'm not the biggest soca connoisseur here at the table um , for me it has to be like songs that just bring vibes the moment . I like put it on vibes . Um , performance wise , um , you know , the same way you basically said about mushroom town doing tiny desk , like I saw Cass perform on to answer face the last year . That was amazing .
Speaker 5I totally forgot my boyfriend , I was there , I was on that stage and it was amazing .
Speaker 7So , um yeah , that's why I actually think about that . Yeah , because he brings the music Also like Outside of the set , that's .
Speaker 1Fair . That's what I thought about , but .
Speaker 7I do Like Mushroom Town Is also a good one , though .
Speaker 2He brings vibes , too , outside of the set . Yeah , no , he does , and that .
Speaker 7Tiny Desk concert . That was amazing oh .
Speaker 3I loved it . I loved it , I was screaming .
Speaker 7In my house .
Speaker 2Dancing . Okay , that's good because of the music , right yeah , yeah , yeah , like screaming that is a goat move because it's like 100% .
Speaker 6I agree with that , because that's a like even when , which artist went on the breakfast club ? Was it Alison Hines ?
Speaker 3maybe yeah no , I think it was Alison , yeah .
Speaker 6I think it was Alison Hines , you know like when you think of goats , it's like they're the ones that get pushed to do yeah so it's true , we got a couple of criteria then right .
Speaker 2So we have uh reach of the songs that they make . So are they international and are they being played like years later ? We have uh the islands . How related to the island are they ? Because you have per island , you have a whole different oh , genre of soca that you know .
Speaker 6Obviously they've got to be popular . Yeah , I think level consistency they've got to bring hits you can't go five years with no hits no , yeah , you can't you can't be a goat and you've gone five years in a row without a hit . No , exactly , yeah , yeah we have performance .
Speaker 2How they ? Yeah , they have a good performance , but then also I want to argue what do they do for the up-and-coming soka scene ? So we've've discussed , like Corbin Dubois , for example , that has like a whole program to get new Soca artists .
Speaker 3What's it called Sput ?
Speaker 6Yeah , s-p-u-t . I think Corbin's very underrated , by the way .
Speaker 3Oh , yeah , very underrated , he oof , yeah , every year he brings like , yeah , regime , regime , yeah , very good , have I listened to it ? I don't listen to that . If you hear it , you probably know yeah , but that's somehow always the case with carolyn , like he .
Speaker 2He brings like good music out , but then he's always overshadowed by marshall or by uh bungee . Is this the curse of being trini , I guess ? Definitely how can you outshine a marshall ?
Speaker 5you know no , and also with a production team of his behind him , that's also the thing like yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah whereas obviously a co-win .
Speaker 6A lot of these songs he's either co-produces or reduces himself , yeah , whereas if you're like bungee and double m , they've got , they've got a team of producers , obviously they're gonna get the best beats that's the thing , because how many times , like in the last even year , have we had people that said , oh yeah , I worked on the Marshall ?
Speaker 1Montana project . And , oh yeah , I was making this beat for my show or for Bungie or whatever like they can get it from everywhere they want yeah anywhere , but that's also a goat .
Speaker 6All the producers wanna give you the best songs exactly .
Speaker 3See , for me , I definitely think within the soca scene , macho montano is is the goat of soca . He's probably got the most hits within the scene and he is consistent . Obviously he took that little break when he was studying . Yeah , he came back he won the chutney , the chutneys and the road march .
Speaker 3So that's it so that for me is a goat , but I in my head I'm like if you are supposed to be the best thing that we have in soca , why do you not have songs that are commercial , that are played on a radio station in like the uk or whatever ?
Speaker 2oh , let me ask you this then uh , how many songs of pipes cartel are being played on a normal radio station loads in the netherlands ?
Speaker 5oh , let me , let me see yeah , well , the netherlands is different , but yeah , in like worldwide .
Speaker 3I mean like yeah , but in parties in the in the netherlands , you'll get clocks . Clocks will get played .
Speaker 2Yeah , but we're talking about music now right , so like yeah , rupee is being played at any station at any time I'm like what level of other genre has it like ?
Speaker 5even like bad bunny is one of the the , but like reggaeton that doesn't have like a song that is being played there's something you know what I mean , like no uh , there's little genre , elevating songs of soca , I guess , and yeah but is that a criteria for a goat ?
Speaker 3not necessarily , but from how I look at it , if you are the goat , the best thing that genre has to offer yeah , you should have songs that have crossed over . Do you see what I'm saying ? Because if you think about the best thing in afro beats , let's say I don't know , burner boy or whisky they have songs that get played in multiple scenes .
Speaker 2Oh , that's true , but that was a transformation . It has to do with the hype as well , because I've witnessed that , like transformation from afro beats to just being music from nigeria or from like africa in general yeah to the most popular genre of the world all of a sudden , like that's that's . That is a special case in my opinion I understand what you're saying , but like every song can play on the radio right now , any african song which is amazing no , I hear it , but even Dancehall , dancehall .
Speaker 3They have more songs that have crossed over into the commercial scene than Soca like look at the streams . Just look at the streams . If you look at the streams on Soca songs , it's way lower than like a popular Dancehall song on but there's a difference in scale of the genre , popularity as well , of course .
Speaker 2I mean that's it .
Speaker 3No , I get that , but something needs to be done about that . Yeah , yeah is it ?
Speaker 2is it more popular songs or is it the way we ? You know , we get back to this discussion every single time yeah but like a song is being promoted for a season and then it's on to the next five albums yeah , that's , that's so like if you look at that bunny , he released an album after I don't know how many years and it bangs .
Speaker 2And that's so like . If you look at Bad Bunny , he released an album after I don't know how many years and it banged . And that's now what he's going to be doing for the rest of the next five years yeah . So that's a different style .
Speaker 3No , I hear it , that's also part of the culture , exactly .
Speaker 2Which is fine because it is seasonal , like , let's be honest .
Speaker 3No , but there there are carnivals throughout the whole year , though , so it's not fine , it's not fine at all .
Speaker 7But then you come back basically to what Bramble said , because there's so many carnivals , but they're different countries . So then again it's from that island the biggest song , and they focus on that . So how ?
Speaker 6Yeah , it's a very rare song Carries from . Let's say there's a song in Dominica .
Speaker 5It's going to carry on the whole year , exactly , not ?
Speaker 6yeah , how many songs have carried from crop over all the way back to the next year .
Speaker 2Like Miami is the best example , because in Miami all these songs are going to be playing . If your songs are , big .
Speaker 6They'll be big in Miami and then it will cross over to Trinidad , like if you're outside Trinidad . For instance , what was the Problem ? Child song that was big , carnival Jumbie that was big in Vinci .
Speaker 5Then it carried to Miami and they were playing it in Trinidad .
Speaker 1But then after Trinidad it's gone , and this is what I'm saying . Not gone , but it's like it's died down a bit .
Speaker 5But that's still big because , it's like it's dominated free .
Speaker 6Obviously it's dominated Notting Hill and Labour Day .
Speaker 2Let me ask you this what other genre quantifies this music as a year ? So we say , oh , there's 2023 .
Speaker 5Soca . Oh , there's 2025 Soca .
Speaker 6Why do we do it ? Because it's because because you've got if you got , let's say , you got um spice mass this year the really the way . The reason why they do it is because it's because obviously you've got monarchs and that's why you've got to do it each year , because it's like you have to qualify for , say , if it is you're going to qualify for the carnival in trinidad , you , you got . It's a certain time period where the song could be . It can't be over like a year yeah , that's why they put yeah a year on it but I like that it says 2025 .
Speaker 2yeah , it's easy for us to put it in a box you know yeah , but then it also means that if it's 2027 and somebody is playing something labeled 20 to 25 like , oh it's old , you know , know what I mean .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2But will that happen for all those dancehall hits that are like cross-genre ? Will that happen for Bad Bunny in five years ? Oh , that's 20 , 23 , bad Bunny , what are we doing here ? It's not happening so it's also a bit self-made , I feel sometimes , yeah , self-imposed self-imposed .
Speaker 7I was just thinking about that . We do that in curacao as well and in aruba . Yeah , like it's like a carnival thing isn't it the moment you're like crowning a monarch . That's when you're just like one year , yeah , posting it , and then you're on to the next . But yeah , I feel like in in curacao , but I I don't really feel like we label it like oh , that's like a tumba from 2025 , but maybe that's like .
Speaker 2That's how I see it , but but it also kind of makes sense , right because when is the best time for mushroom on time to make money or for uh lava man to make money ? Lava man is not going to put his a game out during miami . He's going to do that two months or one month before uh spice mass yeah , because why ?
Speaker 5why would if he doesn't ?
Speaker 2it's just robbing his own wallet in the end . Like he wants to get the most amount of place , the most amount of gigs .
Speaker 5In country at least .
Speaker 6He wants to win .
Speaker 2Because that's going to Bring him money . And then start going on tour . In other islands and if he wins , then he has Exactly , then he has more , like he doesn't even need to win If he's got a big get booked .
Speaker 3That holiday problem child yeah that carried the whole year , literally , and what's ?
Speaker 2what is the best commercial for your song than having an event during carnival ?
Speaker 6pop off because of yourself yeah if you release it three months after , there's not gonna be an event like carnival popping off like that so yeah , like I agree , we need to not make it seasonal but no , but it's always gonna be seasonal because the way it's structured , exactly yeah and that needs to change somehow .
Speaker 2If we can change the structure , we can also elect the goats coming back to , or we use the structure to like I don't know , because you can't kill the structure and do that , no , but because of the carnival .
Speaker 6But if you use it , yeah to then still elect the goat yeah , no , but if it wasn't seasonal , then you wouldn't have to keep bringing hits every year . That's the thing that's , so that that keeps the element of no , but you had it was good in 24 . You got to go again 25 .
Speaker 2because bringing out an album for example in in the genre is like it's , it's an extra , like nobody cares if . If nyla brings out an album , it's like oh well , you collected all your songs over the last two years , you put in an album and you had one more song that didn't actually pick off yeah , because they take off .
Speaker 6It's a good thing . The bad thing because , obviously , if you had like eight good songs in one year , that's a lot they're not gonna release . That's too many because it's like you're trying to say you want . You want something for the next year maybe , but I've heard something I've done that they've made like eight songs one year . They've released four and then released the next four the next year , really and that's proof of what I'm saying , because why would like would Bad Bunny do that ? Why would you release eight good songs in one year ?
Speaker 2because it's seasonal . That's why you don't do it .
Speaker 6But as soon as it's not , seasonal good music out and you want to win .
Speaker 3You want to win road march , yeah yeah , so obviously you're going to drop as many songs as possible , hoping that at least one of them yeah but no you don't want to release
Speaker 3all of them , because yeah no , I hear it , but look at problem child . How many songs does he release ? He releases like 10 songs per day . It's actually insane how many songs he releases always I even commented one time saying I cannot keep up . I cannot keep up with the sheer number of songs he releases but he's like he's on all the rhythms though this is true , but I like his songs .
Speaker 2That's the thing , so I'm always excited to hear a new problem , but so we're talking about like seasonal thing every season .
Speaker 7You know , what I do really love about it being seasonal is that I think it makes the artist like we need to do something , makes them creative and yeah they go for it like there's so many songs , and I do love that , though yeah , like every year you have so many songs , yeah . And then sometimes I think , oh , I've listened to all the songs of the year and then you guys call me the song and I'm like that was not on my playlist . Where did that ?
Speaker 7come from so that is definitely something that makes Sokka totally different than all the other genres the amount of music that comes out .
Speaker 2But actually that's a good point because that also makes maybe the little staircase to get into Sokka a bit high . Because if you don't have the time like some people don't have time to just keep up with all the Sokka , but they are interested in it , yeah . But like , if you're interested in have time to just keep up with all the Sokka , but they are interested in it , yeah . But like if you're interested in Sokka and you hear all your other Sokka heads talking about all new music every single day .
Speaker 7you're like wait what it's overwhelming .
Speaker 2It is overwhelming and again like if I like reggaeton , I just download a reggaeton playlist and that's probably going to be valid for a good amount of months . Yeah , amount of months . Yeah , you know it's not going to be , oh , actually no , now we're in spice man .
Speaker 6So yeah , we do job now .
Speaker 5Oh okay , I'm still in training yeah , your season's over now yeah , literally next and I agree , because I think we like it , because , yeah , I cannot get enough soca in my life , like I need this .
Speaker 2Yeah , I'm addicted . I need my friends .
Speaker 6That's why sometimes , I do feel for the djs because it's like some people are like oh , they always play the same songs . I'm like , if they've got three , if you get 300 songs from each island , how are you going to play all the songs ? Yeah , like , if you're based in the US , let's say you're based in the US .
Speaker 2UK all the . You're gonna get all the songs from a lot of the islands . Yeah , it's hard and that's true , and we discussed this as well in the podcast about djs having like a role into making it like bring up the unknown soca to the masters .
Speaker 6But I agree , like you have to . You've got to be kind of known in your country first . Yeah , yeah , because someone like a dj in the uk how ?
Speaker 1are they gonna know , even if you ?
Speaker 2feel . Well , I wouldn't say how would they know , but they're gonna play the names . They going to know , even if you fill a whole set . I wouldn't say how would they know , but they're going to play the names . They kind of know that's it , because even if you play a whole set without , like people knowing the music , it's not going to really pop off . Then the promoters are going to cost you out . No , this is true , but we have discussed this before .
Speaker 3So , obviously , yes , djs get a lot of music . There's a lot of it . But all you need to do as a dj , maybe every year , pick I don't know five songs , new songs that you're going to champion and you're going to play those in every set , and you'd have to play them all in a row so you can play , let's say , like three hits or something , and then drop in an unknown song . Yeah , but then that song , as we've discussed before on the podcast that song needs to be hyped , hyped , hyped , like mad school has a new song yes , and obviously , when nitro's um hosting for me , yeah , he will make me stop .
Speaker 3Introduce the song . This is one of the baddest songs that's come out . Brand new , listen to it . Boom , I'll play it . And then he'll be like , pull it up . So I'll pull it up , yeah , and then he'll get , he'll instruct them To do something . So if it's a song when they can like Run to the bar or wave their hands or point or something , he'll do that To kind of Hype up the song a bit . And then , boom , I'll play a few more songs that are known and then throw in Another unknown one . But just do it . That way is . I just want to show this party and done . I just want the crowd to constantly be what , what , what , moving the whole time , because like I cannot blame those djs because it's a business .
Speaker 3It's a business .
Speaker 2No , I hear it they , they need the money . They are asked to play and they're asked to play a certain style when they do it and they go home and they have made money and that's it . No , I hear it . I also really appreciate what you're doing and I'm doing it because that's bringing the culture up you .
Speaker 3No , but a lot of people that go to parties complain that DJs play the same songs . They actually want to hear the new music . Yeah , so you'd have to play a whole set of new music , but throw some songs in there . Yeah , exactly .
Speaker 2I would say Basically they just don't want to hear the same 20 songs every single time they go out .
Speaker 3Which they do yeah exactly Because that they do ? Yeah , exactly because that's what djs want . But then the crowd are to blame as well , because a lot of the time the crowd will hear the same song five times and they will react the same way each time they've heard that song , so it's just like if they started standing up and not dancing . Let's say they're like .
Speaker 6You know how people boycott palance and go on their knee or whatever they do , yeah , but you see , palance , no disrespect , I wasn't a fan of the song when it came out , but that song is massive .
Speaker 3That is a massive song for Soka .
Speaker 2It is no comment , it's one of the he said .
Speaker 6I believe the fifth . No comment on that song . It is one of the they won Roadmarch , but no comment .
Speaker 2It's one of the ones that got closer to a crossover to yeah , yeah , yeah 100 , you can play .
Speaker 3You can actually play that song in a commercial party because people like the element of action , like doing actions , yeah , and they love that they absolutely love that they do I will continue to play that song . I don't care . If you want to take a knee , take a knee , I don't care , I'll play , I'll just be like I'll go to the side .
Speaker 7You'll be like no , here we go during the dance to the side . If people want to dance to it , good luck to them .
Speaker 6Yeah , I'm not a fan that's a song I'm not a fan of .
Speaker 3That's right and from beginning as well no , I hear it , I hear it , that's fair enough . Fair enough , but yeah , because even dj gel yep he is a booked and busy dj , popular , very popular mix he needs to get booked for crop over . He's always going canada and and tina crop over , he's always going canada and and tina looking for crop over I think they should , but I don't know if , because as a dj you have to choose where you go . So let's say a promoter wants to book him in for crop over .
Speaker 3Yeah , I think he'll be good at meeting but let's say they're offering him a certain amount of money yeah , and then another promoter in canada're offering him a certain amount of money yeah , and then another promoter in Canada is offering him more than what he's being offered in . It's a no-brainer . As a DJ , I'm going to go where the money is .
Speaker 2But again , that's your bread and butter . This business is not elevating the culture . You know what I mean Exactly . I hear it . Yeah , no , I hear it .
Speaker 3I'm not saying in general like djs will go to whoever's paying them more at the end of the day yeah , but some people wouldn't , some people . Let's say , for example , I've never in my life dj'd in I don't know st kits yeah , and then around the same time there's like another event that wants to book me and that other event I've dj'd on that event like bare time yeah , exactly but then I really want to go to saint kitts and I really want to dj there yeah I am not going to go with the money on that occasion .
Speaker 3I'm going to choose saint kitts yeah , that makes sense do what I'm saying because I want the experience . So sometimes you won't do it for the money , you'll do it for the experience it just it all , it all depends .
Speaker 7Yeah , it depends on the DJ as well .
Speaker 3Yeah , exactly , definitely .
Speaker 7If you're a DJ , you want to elevate the music , you'll do that . If you want to make money , you go by the money , yeah , exactly . Yeah , we need more DJs like you , sharon , oh my God .
Speaker 2Sorry , oh , my god , sorry , okay , I think it's time To close off this subject . Yes , we did derail a bit , but that's fine . I want to just do a headcount With the final GOAT . Like I know , it's not A simple question , but I just , if you have to name One name , the current GOAT , ahsoka Currents .
Speaker 7Marshall . Jonti I have to go with my show man I'll go a little rick I'm gonna go with no mushroom that came out of nowhere .
Speaker 3I'm like what ? I was so confused . Have we been in the same conversation ? Yeah , I was like no , michelle , michelle .
Speaker 2But I do agree With the topics here .
Speaker 3Yes , 100% .
Speaker 2There's so much for discussion left , like it's not a Easy pick .
Speaker 3And Kes is definitely a good contender . Yeah , 100% , 100% Because he .
Speaker 2He's closer to pop . He's closer to pop than Michelle . Yeah , he , yeah , 100% , because he releases hits . He's closer to pop than Marshall is at the moment he releases hits after hit after hit .
Speaker 7And like pop star status as well . You know Again being hot . No but honestly , here we go . No , but I mean and it sounds superficial , but I mean , if you're like a good looking person making good music , then people will remember you easier .
Speaker 2With people you mean the other sex basically .
Speaker 3Whoever is attracted , to you .
Speaker 7Yeah , come on . We all know this .
Has Carnival Become Too Commercial?
Speaker 7We all know this . Why are we lying ?
Speaker 3You're crazy .
Speaker 7I'm not superficial , I promise .
Speaker 2Okay , and with that we have now our let's say Well , three persons saying Marcia Montano , one saying Leo Rick . I do understand that .
Speaker 6From a . Yeah , double M is great though . Yeah , but I I understand that answer .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I think it's time to move on To the next topic . So Our next question Is I understand that answer ? Yeah , yeah , and I think it's time to move on to the next topic . So our next question is also , for me at least , a very controversial one , because you can really discuss about is it ? Good or bad ? And to just say the question has carnival become too commercial ?
Speaker 2and I'll start off with an experience , exactly as you do , exactly Because I like to chat . Yeah , I like to chat . This is an experience I've seen myself , in Grenada , actually , and it got me really thinking . So , first of all , I am not part of the culture as an inheritance person .
Speaker 3Let's just throw that in there before people start coming for you . No , no , no .
Speaker 2But I like to be honest , right ? So I'm a guest in the culture , obviously , yeah , and I try to adapt myself as much as possible to the culture as I can , and you can decide if I do that enough or not , and if I don't do it enough , you'll let me know , hopefully . Anyway , in grenada , I think it was the , the lights , uh , like the the moss , the monday moss , was it monday ?
Speaker 3with the the glow things . Yeah , the glow sticks . Yeah , that's Monday night , right .
Speaker 2Yeah , midnight , midnight , mass yeah . So it's obviously quite obvious when there's white people In the , in the carnival , in the band . And we saw a group of , I think , americans .
Speaker 3Yes .
Speaker 2I remember that . So we saw a group of Americans and what we saw was like they were standing in a circle . They had like cans of beers .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2And they like brushed one and started drinking from the side and shouting .
Speaker 4Like they're Like super American , yeah , like it was spring break or something , yeah , yeah , yeah exactly .
Speaker 6Like and I was just like even I was like , oh , like , it's a spring break .
Speaker 7Like it's a spring break .
Speaker 6Like a spring break , Exactly so you know what I mean so these are paying customers for a carnival , you know .
Speaker 2It's a tourist-based country sometimes . So I understand they're coming there . I understand it's okay that they want to join . It's fine , but where is the line ?
Speaker 1You know what I ?
Speaker 2mean and I'm not saying that they should be having a cup of rum in their hands , because otherwise , they're not part of the culture , but actually , yeah , yeah , why not ?
Speaker 3No , but do you know what I mean ? Drink some rum man .
Speaker 2Yeah , no , but you know what ?
Speaker 6I mean .
Speaker 2So are we going too far sometimes ? There was another example that was wildly discussed where I'm from , at least , because we went to Grenada where they play job , and there's a lot of oil involved so my choice there because , okay . So there's a lot of controversial thing in netherlands about blackface . Uh , if people are interested , you can look it up . There's the fifth of december celebrations and it includes a character called swartapete , which translates to black pete , uh , which is basically a white guy , black facing and giving Kids presents .
Speaker 7Yeah , and it's not just the black face , it's like the curly wig as well .
Speaker 2The red lipstick .
Speaker 1And like the golden earrings .
Speaker 2There's an English version For that as well .
Speaker 3Oh , gollywog , gollywog . Yeah , it's full on .
Speaker 2It's not okay and kids get scared . I haven't heard that word in years yeah , and kids get scared . Yeah , it's just not okay . Yeah , it's horrible . That needs to be banned . Oh , yeah , so .
Speaker 7There's a lot of discussion about that .
Speaker 2Because obviously it's culture , it's all about culture . Anyway , yeah , let's not have that discussion here . No , no , look it up on Wikipedia or something . There is a lot . I do have an opinion about it and in favour of this thing .
Speaker 5So when I was in Grenada , I chose not to have oil on myself because I .
Speaker 2You know it's a bit weird to go , you know , abroad and get oil on my face and then come home and say , no , you can't do that , like what it's not the same but yeah but I know just to get this off yeah it's not the same , but yeah , no to avoid the controversy .
Speaker 3Yeah , no , to avoid the controversy .
Speaker 2Exactly so . You know , these are the choices that I , at least try to be thinking about , but I'm also expecting all people to do that Because I did see a lot of people getting oil on their skin .
Speaker 2And again there's nothing wrong with that , because I do agree . I even talked to people from Grenada and said that's completely different . Do them all Act normal , just get it done . But no , I choose not to . But you know , these are the things . These are the things like where is it becoming too commercial and it's not , you know , for the benefit of the culture anymore ?
Speaker 6I don't think it's getting commercial , I think it's getting expensive . That's another thing .
Speaker 2Yeah , prices are rising , yeah .
Speaker 6Feds .
Speaker 2I'm seeing 200 US and housing and a car to drive .
Speaker 3That's literally what it should include yeah , exactly .
Speaker 6I'm seeing costumes male costumes 500 pounds , 600 pounds and I'm like the male costumes are nothing .
Speaker 3Yeah , that's what I'm saying . You get shorts and bits of gems .
Speaker 6Why is it ?
Speaker 3500 pounds . That's insane . That's so fucked .
Speaker 2Literally Bits of gems . Why is it £500 ? That's insane , that's so fake Literally . But then the other thing is People gossip Also . Sometimes nothing , they're just string wires .
Speaker 6I know it's 1k for something , but at least they get the whole outfit . They got the wings . They got the individual section so I was like cool A guy Shorts , that's it and a couple of Things on your arm and legs , £500 I'm .
Speaker 7Your arm and legs , 500 pounds I'm like , okay , and you're gonna lose those arm things within 10 minutes , these things irritate my skin yeah I just yeah , throw them away , yeah , yeah same
Speaker 6I'll just I'll pay 500 pounds for shorts yeah , that's crazy .
Speaker 7That's crazy and most of them .
Speaker 6I've got a hydration pack , so I'm not even going to the drinks truck . Oh no , you need to get your money's worth if you're paying that much ramble .
Speaker 3Get your money's worth yeah .
Speaker 7Next to the drink truck yeah , so exactly get your money's worth .
Speaker 6Yeah , next to the drink truck . Yeah , so exactly . So yeah , I think carnival's getting expensive more than it's getting commercial to the market yeah .
Speaker 3So the question is is carnival more about making money than it is about the culture ? Love it .
Speaker 7I think that's the angle that you were going for yeah .
Speaker 3So what do you think about that ? Do you think it's just now about ? Because back in the day I feel that it was about the culture , like celebrating our culture , etc . But is it now Literally more about Making money as opposed ?
Speaker 6to the culture . It's a little bit of both , because I can't just say everyone's Trying to make money , but there are people Trying to make money , so there's certain . I'm trying to think the most expensive fetal Went to probably in Trinidad , but Trinidad's known for expensive . Fets , so I'm not gonna complain about that , but it's just like . Obviously some people do complain . They always say I'll never go to Trinidad , but if you plan to go there , don't complain about how expensive the FETs are , because you know they've got the most expensive .
Speaker 2FETs . Let me ask you this then you're hearing um that uh , what's your favorite uh band in carbidos ? What mass ?
Speaker 6band .
Speaker 3Yeah , aura , okay good example is not a cheap band , oh god no .
Speaker 2But let's say ara is organizing a section specifically for foreigners , uh , that are paying more money to get more privileges or whatever , like they pay a thousand uh quits to get a private drink truck with , uh , all kinds of american drinks . I don't know , I'm just saying some , yeah you know , commercial thing would that be ? Would you look at that and think like all right , cool , that's fine , that's part of what we're doing ? Or would you be like why is this necessary ? Like why is this a thing ?
Speaker 6I would have a massive issue I would understand it because of tourism .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's money so profit over culture .
Speaker 6You know what I mean .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 6They're still preserving the culture , but people are trying to make money . It's hard out here .
Speaker 3I hear that yeah , I think that's exploitation though .
Speaker 2Because you're exploiting the tourists that have come to celebrate the culture . They choose to pay it . I hear it , and they might not have chosen to celebrate it , but let's say , okay , better example base , uh sandy beach , was the , the , the big hotel , uh chain in barbados , again sandy lane , sandy lane , so big hotel chain .
Speaker 2Let's say they get their own band in uh crop over just for the tourists that are visiting at that time . They get an offer like like oh , you want to join , Just pay 400 . You get them on the bus , we just drop you there and you just do a bit of walk like 10 minutes or not 10 minutes , like a two mile part of it , and then you go back to the hotel like an excursion you know what I mean .
Speaker 2Like these people know , nothing about Soka , but that was an exc , but wait are they also in the band then ? Yeah .
Speaker 7They have a full band , yeah they have their own band . They're not just in a coach .
Speaker 2They're DJs . So this is a scenario , right ? Dj will just play some American music , just in case . No , no , no , you've got to play .
Speaker 6Sokka . That's what I'm saying . That's dead . Yeah , you've got to play Sokka , that's dead .
Speaker 7I'm in my feathers , even when they play , when they play too much non-bayesian so far , get annoyed . Yeah , you're not gonna play so card . No , no one could do my day so . And also then it has nothing to do with the culture anymore , no , no but this is like the line I'm trying to find .
Speaker 2Yeah , like , when is making money better than the culture ? You know what ? What's the line of this , and I agree with you , by the way . I'm just like putting in scenarios yeah , yeah , reactions but like I understand what you're saying . So basically what you're saying is music is the most important part of Carnival . So that is like the line you cannot change . You cannot have a dancehall section , you cannot have there's other rules .
Speaker 6There's not kind of not rules , but there's certain things you can't do . But they kind of bend the rules . Like , obviously our GV is called 4 Day Morning , obviously that's in town , bridgetown but now they've got private jumps . Yeah , good example , love it . No , but the thing is town's dangerous . So I understand the private jumps , yeah , even me . This year I'm jumping for native private jumps yeah , I've had enough . Well , I love town , but I've got to go native .
Speaker 3Yeah , I love town , but yeah , it's just getting too much , Because obviously we've been there where you get people just storming the band jumping in and I find it so annoying .
Speaker 2That's disrespectful .
Speaker 5I've paid 100 US , that's what I'm saying , and then you're just getting drinks for free , because you know the bartender yeah , that's dead , yep , that's dead .
Speaker 3So I understand the private jumps I've never done . I'm considering doing native music .
Speaker 6It's basically weeting at 4Day , yeah .
Speaker 3And I enjoy weeting , yeah , so .
Speaker 2So that's actually funny , because now we're saying actually it's not because it's threatening the culture of 4Day . Right , 4day has always been yeah , because when it introduces private jobs people will get .
Speaker 6It will be unhappy , but then they understand , because town can be a little bit dangerous for 4 Day .
Speaker 2What would happen if all the bands would do private jumps and there's no town 4 Day anymore ?
Speaker 6no , they have to have , it has to be entitled .
Speaker 2There has to be a there has to be 4 Day . What if nobody wants ?
Speaker 3to do it anymore .
Speaker 2What if everybody wants to do a private jump somewhere ?
Speaker 6then that's going to ruin the whole yeah 4 Day yeah , that's when it of a problem , because there's more each year . There's more bands that are doing a private job , so you're going to take away Exactly .
Speaker 2So I think part of the reason is that because of these fuckeries if I may say so .
Speaker 5Last year I decided .
Speaker 2I'm not going to be in the band anymore because , like I literally had to wait in line of people not buying a ticket to get a drink . Like that's not what I paid money for that's insane .
Speaker 5yeah , yeah , um , but so the problem is not like outside culture .
Speaker 3It's inside culture . You know what I mean ? Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 5So if you're the locals , yeah yeah , but the lines were too short , so you know too many people in the band so if they , reduce the amount of people in the bands . Maybe there's a maximum amount of it many amount of people holding lines ?
Speaker 2I don't know rules .
Speaker 6You're always gonna get stormers wherever you go , but there's a certain point too much . Yeah , like we got stormed from the beginning . Yeah , yeah , like last year four day , our band got in storm from the beginning . Yeah yeah , exactly I'm like you're kidding me , not even at the end at the beginning .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's mad , it was too crowded .
Speaker 3Yeah , no , it was way too crowded , yeah , way too crowded exactly .
Speaker 6I was like nah , good , that's just . I was like nah , that's just , how's my band getting invaded right at the beginning it doesn't make sense .
Speaker 3I think they need better security , they need more security way more because everyone goes for that band because they know it's easy , because they see 3000 people it's easy to invade that band yeah makes sense okay , I think we'll leave it at this because our time is running short , so um , thank you very much for your opinions this has been very , very good for us
Speaker 2yes , yes , I hope the people at home also enjoyed it and they . If you have an opinion , be sure to share it . We'll listen to it . We've actually we've had trouble lately with answering all the comments on our podcast , but we will find time to answer the comments . So , um , you know , be sure to comment . And um , I just want to thank our guests . Thank you very much for coming over .
Speaker 3Thank you for inviting me . Yeah , it's been a pleasure . We gotta do this more often .
Speaker 2100 yeah , totally like if you fly me back to london I am broke , I can't fly , yeah , I can't even fly myself okay , next episode of paris . Next episode in paris ? Yeah , why not ? How are we getting to paris ? Who's paying for us ? Eurostar ? Who's paying for us ? Eurostar goes to rotterdam and we're there .
Speaker 3Yeah , just come to rotterdam , that makes more sense . All right , thanks again guys . Yes , thank you , and with that we're gonna go back to the studio . Just count your rather down .
Speaker 2That makes more sense . All right , thanks again , guys .
Speaker 7Yes , Thank you .
Speaker 2And with that we're going to go back to the studio
Closing Thoughts and Event Reminders
Speaker 2. This is Soca Chronicles . And we are back in the digital studio instead of the real life studio . We hope you enjoyed that little discussion . There was much more to discuss and we might do that in the future , of course . If you have an opinion about what we said , feel free to share it , because we want to hear from you guys .
Speaker 2So for sure you know , look at us , look up , just check our instagram and leave a comment or leave a post or whatever . Just tag us in something and uh , yeah we'll be sure to reach back to you and , who knows , we might be able to discuss your comments in our next episode . For sure , and I think we will keep it short because we've had a very long episode . So , sjarns , anything you want to add to that .
Speaker 3I just want to add a reminder Do not forget Brawling . The Cropover send-off is on Friday , the 11th of July . Tickets drop at 6 pm on friday , the 11th of july . Tickets drop at 6 pm on friday , the 30th of may . So get your tickets . People get your tickets . Do not miss out on it . You can also go and get your tickets from wwwtridentldn , so t-r-i-d-e-n-t . L-d-ncom , and that will take you to Eventbrite where you can purchase your tickets .
Speaker 2Dope . Then we want to thank you for listening . We're going to have a quick listen to what our dear friend Nitro always says .
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